I remember the legendary Vasily Alexeev, when he said he never squatted with anything heavier than 270 kilos, yet he had a 255-kilo C & J (the world record at that time in the old 110+ class), while another lifter would sometimes squat with 320+ yet he had a C & J around 220 kilos. Interestingly, the current world champion -- Georgia's Lasha Talakadze -- is known to be quite conservative when he trains the squat. I've watched a session where he worked up to 285 kilos for 3 doubles and the commentator said that this was unusual from him. Close to competition, I see Georgia's superheavies working up to a few doubles at 250 and stopping there. Squatting that kind of weight with good bar speed is probably enough for them to maintain their leg strength while saving their energy for when it counts.
oh boy...i love Max Aita... my squats and deadlifts went higher just by watching n learning from his videos. the best squatters of this planet...Max Aita and Chad Wesley Smith...
Im 52 yrs 5'3 weight 114lbs - back Squats 180lbs - Deadlifts 220 and front squats 150 (with a great form). However, I can't do snatches. I have the lower body strength but my mobility impairs me to do so. My hubby say is my hips and ankle mobility. I have seeing so many videos and I get it. The struggle is real!!!
Love the editing of the video - way better than a boring 10 minute video looking at a whiteboard - Would it be possible to include lifters name though?
I don't have tons of regrets in life but back in 2013 when I moved from LA to the bay area I really wish I found a place in Oakland and got the chance to train with you Max in the back of Crossfit Oakland. I unfortunately could only find a place out in san rafel and so (and although I loved training with Freddy) I trained at Myles ahead in Petaluma instead. I've since do to employment and rent issues moved back to LA but if I could I'd love to move back up close to you and train with you. Max you're one of the best.
could you get Chad wesly Smith to do a video on all the ebooks available on your website? I want to start training in the juggernaut method but there is alot of different books on your site I don't knw which ones to read first and idk if I need to read them all please clarify this in a future video. maybe give us a short description of each book and who would benefit from it and who wouldn't
I like how he said achieving a bigger squat is not the sport of weightlifting because at first and even second glance it sure does seem that way. Bigger back squat means bigger front squat, which means bigger clean, which means bigger snatch according to all of the ratios out there. But he is saying eventually it no longer has carry over to the lifts. I would add that if you are new or intermediate that raw strength should be your primary focus and that too much focus on weightlifting is literally just going to slow your strength gains down, which will over several years slow down how quickly you will excel at weightlifting. More weightlifting doesn't make you significantly better at weightlifting if you don't have adequate strength, which Max implied. It is much easier for a guy with a 200kg front squat to improve at weightlifting than a guy with a 100kg front squat. It is much easier to improve front squat through strength training than by weightlifting. So in the end, while it may seem counterintuitive, more weightlifting for new to intermediate strength guys is actually going to be counterproductive to getting better at weightlifting. So by this man's logic if increasing the squat is not the sport of weightlifting can lifters that do not have enough raw strength even technically be considered participants in the sport? Following this logic, perhaps there are multiple phases of a weightlifter's career then, one of which ought to focus on preparing an athlete (increasing strength) to eventually be able to participate in legitimate weightlifting training? One could engage in the action of weightlifting without raw strength but would not get very far if back squat was only 100kg. Over years of weightlifting and an occasional back squat day this 100kg squatter might develop a 140kg squat but if they had focused on increasing squat to 200kg in the beginning and then incorporated more advanced weightlifting the progress would be astronomically greater.
Good video and very insightful. How about one where you would show and analyze some other exercise methods for leg strength, other than front / back squat with some athletes? I know there is high interest for such video. Perhaps belt squats and you name it, what ever hidden gems you have in store. :) Keep up the great work.
Puny Poppy there is going to be a methods video that expands on this one but there isn't a lot of novelty in the exercise selection. Back, front, belt are our staples.
Great video I am squatting 230kg and deadlifting 250kg but my snatch is 60ish and jerk is 85ish lol. Having trained for 6 years before learning the Olympic movements, my strength is decent but my S/C&J are laughable. Already I can see that strength does not endlessly transfer - there are other considerations
My PR squat is 234kg and dead lift about 240kg. I have a 500lbs squat on my channel. First day I tried clean and jerk I managed a 120kg c&j and 80kg snatch. Horrific form. I still can’t hook grip and I’ve spent the last month trying to binge videos and correct my atrocious form. I have also had multiple sprains failing to ditch properly while tired but oh well. I will get a 315lbs c&j and 225lbs snatch if I rip my arms clean off doing it. You can too with Squat and deadlift like that. I’m also 235-250lbs at 5’11” so I have zero excuses. I’ve pretty much been stuck at a 320lbs bench for years so I’m trying something different for a while. Have you improved much since commenting? If so what helped?
"Why do you need leg strength for weightlifting?" could be answered with a metaphorical, rethorical question "why do you need torque to the tires to drive a car?" You need to move the load.
Started developing knee pains under the knee cap (patella tendonitis?) which prevents me from doing heavy squats and lunges. How do you tackle this problem?
Not sure if I'm totally sold on the connection with absolute strength, since the Oly lifts are submaximal. Wouldn't it make more sense, as a rule of thumb, to train for more explosive strength with (say) your 10-12 rep max than to train in a more powerlifting-friendly 3-1 range, even right up to a competition?
If you've ever seen anyone get caught in the bottom of a clean and can't stand up; that situation can be attributed to absolute strength (especially in the front squat). There was an OTC resident in the early 90's (He won his wt class in Jr's in 1994) who could clean more than he could front squat on a regular basis. Your car definitely doesn't need the most horsepower to win the race, but more horsepower definitely makes it easier to get down the road.
Mike Doolittle training higher rep ranges consistently would have a negative effect on speed qualities and technical development. The list of champions without very good maximal strength is a short one.
They accumulate bicep work in their chinups and pullups as accessories. Some who are prone to elbow hyperextension are prescribed a few sets of barbell curls as well.
It's a technique thing they do where they use their adducters to assist in the raising of the bar. Their knees never go past parallel to one another, they just go less apart.
I love watching these weightlifting strength videos, even as a powerlifter there is so much I feel I learn from these
"You're probably going to have to need to increase that at some point in time."
That's a very polite way of saying "git gud".
I remember the legendary Vasily Alexeev, when he said he never squatted with anything heavier than 270 kilos, yet he had a 255-kilo C & J (the world record at that time in the old 110+ class), while another lifter would sometimes squat with 320+ yet he had a C & J around 220 kilos.
Interestingly, the current world champion -- Georgia's Lasha Talakadze -- is known to be quite conservative when he trains the squat. I've watched a session where he worked up to 285 kilos for 3 doubles and the commentator said that this was unusual from him. Close to competition, I see Georgia's superheavies working up to a few doubles at 250 and stopping there. Squatting that kind of weight with good bar speed is probably enough for them to maintain their leg strength while saving their energy for when it counts.
Max always articulates his points so well; one of the true professors of weightlifting. Great video!
oh boy...i love Max Aita... my squats and deadlifts went higher just by watching n learning from his videos. the best squatters of this planet...Max Aita and Chad Wesley Smith...
Holy mother of God! Dave Grohl is getting huge @0:10 .
Marcos Leonel bwaaaahahahahahaaaa hella funny
Im 52 yrs 5'3 weight 114lbs - back Squats 180lbs - Deadlifts 220 and front squats 150 (with a great form). However, I can't do snatches.
I have the lower body strength but my mobility impairs me to do so. My hubby say is my hips and ankle mobility. I have seeing so many videos and I get it. The struggle is real!!!
Over head squats working up in weight. Snatch balance (search on youtube). Vary your grip with these two at first.
Yes that is correct
This is random but you're comment is inspiring Diana.
Total BAMF
2:33 This applies to all sports and is exactly what I needed to hear.
Great info. Thanks Max. I need more technical work! Less squatting. Makes sense how you explain how they link and Mesh together
Love the editing of the video - way better than a boring 10 minute video looking at a whiteboard - Would it be possible to include lifters name though?
Oli _ in order at the start Anthony Pomponio, Cortney Batchelor, Colin Burns, David Garcia.
I don't have tons of regrets in life but back in 2013 when I moved from LA to the bay area I really wish I found a place in Oakland and got the chance to train with you Max in the back of Crossfit Oakland. I unfortunately could only find a place out in san rafel and so (and although I loved training with Freddy) I trained at Myles ahead in Petaluma instead. I've since do to employment and rent issues moved back to LA but if I could I'd love to move back up close to you and train with you. Max you're one of the best.
Adam Seal max coaches at JuggernautHQ in Orange County
could you get Chad wesly Smith to do a video on all the ebooks available on your website? I want to start training in the juggernaut method but there is alot of different books on your site I don't knw which ones to read first and idk if I need to read them all
please clarify this in a future video. maybe give us a short description of each book and who would benefit from it and who wouldn't
would you say chad needs to increase his leg strength to increase his clean and jerk?
150kg muscle snatch incoming.
I like how he said achieving a bigger squat is not the sport of weightlifting because at first and even second glance it sure does seem that way. Bigger back squat means bigger front squat, which means bigger clean, which means bigger snatch according to all of the ratios out there. But he is saying eventually it no longer has carry over to the lifts. I would add that if you are new or intermediate that raw strength should be your primary focus and that too much focus on weightlifting is literally just going to slow your strength gains down, which will over several years slow down how quickly you will excel at weightlifting. More weightlifting doesn't make you significantly better at weightlifting if you don't have adequate strength, which Max implied. It is much easier for a guy with a 200kg front squat to improve at weightlifting than a guy with a 100kg front squat. It is much easier to improve front squat through strength training than by weightlifting. So in the end, while it may seem counterintuitive, more weightlifting for new to intermediate strength guys is actually going to be counterproductive to getting better at weightlifting. So by this man's logic if increasing the squat is not the sport of weightlifting can lifters that do not have enough raw strength even technically be considered participants in the sport? Following this logic, perhaps there are multiple phases of a weightlifter's career then, one of which ought to focus on preparing an athlete (increasing strength) to eventually be able to participate in legitimate weightlifting training? One could engage in the action of weightlifting without raw strength but would not get very far if back squat was only 100kg. Over years of weightlifting and an occasional back squat day this 100kg squatter might develop a 140kg squat but if they had focused on increasing squat to 200kg in the beginning and then incorporated more advanced weightlifting the progress would be astronomically greater.
I understand what you're saying but wouldn't you want to weightlift to optimize technique?
incredible video as always, thanks guys :D
Sooooo how do you develop leg strength?? Need program or a glimpse of one.. 11mins of cool squats, L.
Presumably the stronger your (front) squat relative to your clean and jerk, the more strength will be available for the jerk.
I forget how great these videos are, liked and shared!
Good video and very insightful. How about one where you would show and analyze some other exercise methods for leg strength, other than front / back squat with some athletes? I know there is high interest for such video. Perhaps belt squats and you name it, what ever hidden gems you have in store. :) Keep up the great work.
Puny Poppy there is going to be a methods video that expands on this one but there isn't a lot of novelty in the exercise selection. Back, front, belt are our staples.
static strength is where the real power is
At the 7minute mark you mention 'other' to help develop strength besides the squat... anything else besides the belt squat??
those leather wrist wraps are fucking dope. what are they?
Really like your channel. Good work.
Great video
I am squatting 230kg and deadlifting 250kg but my snatch is 60ish and jerk is 85ish lol. Having trained for 6 years before learning the Olympic movements, my strength is decent but my S/C&J are laughable. Already I can see that strength does not endlessly transfer - there are other considerations
Do you squat atg with back angle straight? Do you deadlift conventional? If not your number won't help you
My PR squat is 234kg and dead lift about 240kg. I have a 500lbs squat on my channel. First day I tried clean and jerk I managed a 120kg c&j and 80kg snatch. Horrific form. I still can’t hook grip and I’ve spent the last month trying to binge videos and correct my atrocious form. I have also had multiple sprains failing to ditch properly while tired but oh well. I will get a 315lbs c&j and 225lbs snatch if I rip my arms clean off doing it. You can too with Squat and deadlift like that. I’m also 235-250lbs at 5’11” so I have zero excuses. I’ve pretty much been stuck at a 320lbs bench for years so I’m trying something different for a while. Have you improved much since commenting? If so what helped?
Because you don’t squat 230. You lowbar squat 230 which is basically a clean deadlift with the bar on your back.
Awesome information - Thank you!
What about back strenght?
I currently C@J in excess of my front squat.
Of course this is due to neurological problems which wreak havoc on my body.
The great Yurik Vardanyan (!956-2018).
If Yurik could front squat a weight for a single rep, he could clean and jerk the weight.
It’s not just your one rep max it’s mostly the speed you can lift it at.
Is there a developing upperbody strength for weightlifting?
This will be useful: ua-cam.com/video/uYvUx56WFeM/v-deo.html
Isn't a front-squat the better way for strength-training instead the back-squat for weight-lifting?
NKCFOA87 the position is more specific but the strength stimulus is lower because of less weight.
NKCFOA87 Check out Lydia Valentín, 69 kg weightlifter on the women's Spanish national team. She doesn't front squat at all.
slashnagy6 Then check out Naim Suleymongulu, the greatest weightlifter of all time pound for pound, he only front squatted.
Thanks for the video
"Why do you need leg strength for weightlifting?" could be answered with a metaphorical, rethorical question "why do you need torque to the tires to drive a car?" You need to move the load.
3:06 WHAT DID YOU SAY?! DID YOU JUST SAY HUGHMUNGUS?
Humongous.
After training more legs Im wearing shorts way more often :D
MrTmmyh do you do any of their programs?
Hahah for real dude. Im planning to buy new jeans as of now because my jeans looks like skinny jeans now. :(
Great ending to a presentation with valuable information! Thanks!
If you dont have a belt squat and squats dont really do much (long legs, short torso) what exercises do you choose?
Squats not doing much with long legs short torso? Witchcraft.
Iron Brotherhood belt squats can be done with a dip belt, better with a loading pin, but the machine isn't needed.
Ive always been weak and never to be able to get leg strength up. And when I do get it up I cant hold it pass a month or so.
What are your thoughts on the squat jerk?
Started developing knee pains under the knee cap (patella tendonitis?) which prevents me from doing heavy squats and lunges. How do you tackle this problem?
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What about deadlifts?
Definitely snatch grip deadlifts.
Not sure if I'm totally sold on the connection with absolute strength, since the Oly lifts are submaximal. Wouldn't it make more sense, as a rule of thumb, to train for more explosive strength with (say) your 10-12 rep max than to train in a more powerlifting-friendly 3-1 range, even right up to a competition?
If you've ever seen anyone get caught in the bottom of a clean and can't stand up; that situation can be attributed to absolute strength (especially in the front squat). There was an OTC resident in the early 90's (He won his wt class in Jr's in 1994) who could clean more than he could front squat on a regular basis.
Your car definitely doesn't need the most horsepower to win the race, but more horsepower definitely makes it easier to get down the road.
Mike Doolittle training higher rep ranges consistently would have a negative effect on speed qualities and technical development. The list of champions without very good maximal strength is a short one.
Hey Max, what should one do to improve their Olympic lifts if leg strength is not a problem? Please enlighten....
ua-cam.com/video/byLNTAegRLo/v-deo.html
provide a pdf plz
What lifts do people with longer limbs usually find more difficult? I don't like squating (bad at it;)) but enjoy doing the clean, not the jerk part:P
Tried the atg split squat?
Song at the start?
What leg strengthening exercises other than squats would you recommend?
@7:00 they *didn't* mention any. :)
Whatever: Bulgarian Split Squat, Hip Thrust.
Deadlift
I didn't know Dave Groll was a weight lifter.
To be an elite weightlifter you don't even need to squat weights that top powerlifters bench raw. Leg strength is not the problem.
Apjooz Pound for pound, weightlifters are still the strongest on earth; don't insinuate otherwise.
Apjooz However, I do agree that technique is important.
Nope, but its gotta be fast.
Dat 400kg squat was high as fuck
Half of these lifters are lifting for Team USA
do weightlifter train biceps if yes then please tell me how ?
No
@@ToreyPellegrini yes, they do.
They accumulate bicep work in their chinups and pullups as accessories. Some who are prone to elbow hyperextension are prescribed a few sets of barbell curls as well.
lmao I can power clean more than I can clean or front squat
Well, I guess the classic "they are all juiced" american excuse for their weightlifter's poor performance does not apply anymore.
Sad Rippetoe noises hahaha
plenty of gear then
Did you just sexual harass me?
HUGH MUNGUS WHAT???
Jim Panse This comment didn’t age well
What?
It's no Bro Science 😂
Spanish
Lol I didn't know Dave Grohl is also a powerlifet
Have you seen Dave Grohl?
Thic
every clip of the squatters their knees cave in, thats enough for me to not take advice
It's a technique thing they do where they use their adducters to assist in the raising of the bar. Their knees never go past parallel to one another, they just go less apart.
Yes, these guys clearly have no idea what they're doing... /sarcasm
You're the one who loses out by not listening.