How not to replace an SMC chip on Macbook logic board.
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Commenting again in March 2021 because I youtube reminded me that this excellent source of tech humour still exists.
I thought i had patience dude. Been doing all kind of electrical troubleshooting for a long time now. But holy crap man, i would of took a hammer and smashed everything on that desk about 12X over by now. Your pure hate for shitty apple drove you to whole new levels of patience i cant even understand. lol
Hi Louis my name is Josh i love your channel I have cerebral palsy I was thinking about how you shake a lot when you are soldering mb and chips. I use a sling with a counter weights on it to help me steady my hand when eating and i thought something like that might help you take care and have great day
Hello Josh, I want to wish you a great day, I hope you get to read this! Take care!
That's a great idea! Especially under the heavy magnification of the microscope that could be super useful
I also have that problem when under the scope , will try that out, sounds like a great idea.
I use xans and diazepam
Damn that's a great idea. I have steady hands right up until I start concentrating on having steady hands. Then I have trouble keeping steady. This is a great idea, and I'm going to use it. Thanks!
This might be a slightly older video, but I seriously want to thank you for taking your time and placing these videos up. I really find this field of work interesting. Furthermore, they are very educational as well.
It seems as if there are certain procedures that can be followed with multiple boards, methodically. In turn the board is repaired. But there are also instances in which that procedure won't cut it and further repair might be required. I like the thought of that.
Nonetheless I'm very grateful for your effort in making these videos. The fact that you don't have to upload these, yet, you do. Makes them very special.
Best wishes
You're kind of like the Bob Ross of fixing electronics...love it :D
"So the first reason this process is a complete pile of horse shit"
A slightly more profane Bob Ross, but not an insane comparison to make.
Bob: Lets make a happy little tree...
Louis: Fuck Apple in the ass 4rlz doe. This is BS.
LMAO
@@Ranivus Yes there are some subtle differences lol
I did electronic repair for years as a hobby. Being twice Louis' age, I worked with circuits with more discrete components and fewer on board (SMD) components. But as the components got smaller (and difficult to obtain) and my eyes got worse, I stopped. I did most work without schematics which would be very difficult doing board work like Louis.
Thanks for the video. I never attempted reballing nor had the proper equipment for it so watching a pro was quite entertaining.
Thanks Louis!
I just ran into your videos. I've been an Electronics Tech since I joined the Marine Corps. Needless to say I am addicted to these videos. Thank you for the entertaining, and educational of course, content.
Rediscovered youtube with this guy. Best commentator in the world. Good shit man, love it.
+Davis Franco thanks for watching!
Why don't you put on the back side of that piece of metal with holes some guidance brackets, like the ones you have on a CPU socket? Instead of aligning each time that chip with those holes you just put the chip in those brackets, press and hold, use the tape and that's it. Every time it will be centered, just put the 2 brackets diagonally.
3:00 that ones good , "you cant even find an SMC replacement video with techno music in background "
I LOL'd at the 'can't even find a video with techno music'...
without*
no he said with. he meant he couldnt even find one of those sped up edm covered vids he hates of someone doing that chip.
you could not pay me enough too do that, props to your patience.
+mike r It's easier and quicker to do if you don't screw it up as many times.
Ya, I find most things are like that. But still mad props to handling it like a boss. Doing all that work to have one little ball jump out on you and do it all over, I would definitely have too practice my deep breaths.
mike r
You can't let other things or people make you angry, only yourself!
+Louis Rossmann Words to live by.
Spoken like someone who never started their own business. Owning and operating a small business is incredibly difficult, 80 percent of them fail in the first 3 years, even more so in new York where a hole in the ground cost more in rent then most mortgages.
your work is somehow very satisfying to watch
Life is too short. Amazing tedious patience.
Life isn't short It's the longest thing you do
There comes a point where it becomes a personal challenge and the business side of it goes out the window. I know how Louis felt when he said he felt inclined to continue with it. I was a service technician on photocopiers and I had many such times myself.
But as he said. It was time to resist the urge to continue and go home. Otherwise he would have been there all night!
you sir are a very clever man :) i suffer from insomnia(please dont take this the wrong way)and watch your videos on a night and they make me sleepy. not because they are boring,on the contrary-i find them highly addictive and have to watch more in return and they give me thought process to work through then i fall asleep. hope this makes sense lol.
You sir suffer from good music taste ;)
I have also have insomnia and I recently started doing the same thing, it’s nice to see I’m not the only one
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You mean me failing for 2 hours :p
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What a cringe-fest.
Louis, I know this video is years old, but it is probably one of the best videos you've done. I am curious you mention at the end around like 1:47:03 about how if you know what those wires do why you're intrigued that the board can recognize the battery and charge it, why did you say that? Are the wires related to the one wire circuit?
Louis Rossmann was this pregloves?
Louis Rossmann Would putting the stencil in the clamp Bow the stencil and create a gap in between the chip and the stencil
Dammit you answered my question right after I posted
I know nothing about computers and I just watched an hour and a half video on replacing an "SMC chip" just because it was so damn interesting.
That's something I don't hear every day
I challenge everyone to repeat 1:36:00-1:36:10 ten times fast.
42Mohawks I would fail
Ma and pa kettle
Me 2! Ireland can officially swear without going to jail!
that paste turning into balls, very satisfying
+Crcl ikr
+Crcl probably my favourite part of the video
Since everyone likes it so much it's good that he had to redo it 3 times over, lol
is molten solder fixation a real thing?? Even if it isn't, I definitely have it ;-)
timestamp?
You are far more patient than I am! I DO like the way you said over and over again that you should just stop and go home, but you just kept at it! Great job! Great learning experience for me!
+Mark Woodworth When the CPU was dead that was it for me. Probably the pathway from CPU to RAM through the ISL6259 area.. either way, F that!
Louis, I really appreciate you being real and human and showing us how you do what you do. You do not mince words or try to sugarcoat anything that doesn't work like it should. I learn so much watching you work. Thank you for taking time to show us not only what to do, but what not to do and being humble about it. Thanks, and Thanks again.
Hey Louis. Want to thank you for the great content you had in your and Jessa's class. I learned a lot and have already fixed 3 MacBooks that were total piles of shit. This process is truly a total pain in the ass. Hope you are getting caught up in your work and wish you the best.
Why? Why did I just watch this entire thing? Why was I on the edge of my seat waiting to see how it turned out? Why did I get visually upset when the second try failed? Why did I laugh as he cursed out the little solder ball that refused to stay put? Why was I sad when it didn't work in the end? Sheesh... I put off being productive and I don't regret it. :-o
It's fun to watch me fail. If I was outside of me, I would be laughing too...
The fact that you have the balls to post your failures says a lot about who you are. If I owed any Crapple devices anymore and had it break, you'd be the man to fix it. Keep on keepin on... You earned another subscriber.
The video actually has all the elements of a classic adventure story. There is our plucky hero (Louise), a kingdom to be saved (the motherboard), evildoers attempting to destroy the kingdom (all the board problems), and a dragon to be slain (the SMC).
Our hero leaves the kingdom to slay the dragon, going through many trials and tribulations in the process, until finally the dragon is dead.
He brings back the dragon's head and drives out the lesser evildoers, and attempts to restore the kingdom to its former glory. Unfortunately this story has a tragic ending: the king had already been slain and the kingdom fell into ruin (dead CPU).
But for the most part it's a classic adventure story via an unconventional medium. That's why it's so damn entertaining.
@@rossmanngroup I got angry at the little solder ball lol I was like that little son of a bitch. I can say you have patience my friend that's great.
@@rossmanngroup You are such fun.
I really admire the fact that you're so good at what you do, you don't feel the need to bogart your knowledge. You share virtually EVERY aspect of what you're doing, and provide expertise technique, AND integrity. And (my opinion) you do it because you know that A: Few can do what you do, even given every detail of the process, 'cause you need the brain to go with the hands, and B: You're just a badass technician, period. Much respect, and thanks for all the videos.
Your videos are awesome. I get stuck watching for hours and I don't even have a working soldering iron. I just sent you my broken laptop, I hope I'll see it on your channel. I love what you're doing. Hard work, integrity, professionalism, transparency, and humor... I hope to see more businesses following your model.
27:07 "With a different sizes u trading different types of pains in the ass"
+ttyk he has an amazing way of making things easy for people to understand xD
+ttyk Literally.
"their are many things that make this bullshit.... and were gonna go over them"
great stuff. lol
+kain hall *there
+Róbert Németh Grammar police at it again. Helping when no one asks
+kain hall hahahahahahaha! lmao!
I was screaming internally for it
*douchebag
my name is Mel Denke I started repairs on tube tvs in 1973 I sold my repair shop in 1996 and became an electrician, still doing that, but love to repair macs for friends and on the side. Your seat of the pants techniques are amazing.Keep up the good work!! An old dog can learn new tricks. Im 60 years old you think your hands shake. Thanks LOUIS
Thank you Louis, I appreciate that you are willing to show what can go wrong with our technique. Again, I like the way you show things can go wrong. Rarely, in life, do things work as easily as shown on some programs. It's nice to know that it's not just us that have problems.
I'm proud of you man. Great Channel. Second video I have watched. I find this very interesting and inspiring.
the innuendo game is strong with this one, great video btw, very relaxing in a hypnotic & o.c.d kind of way
I just discovered your channel this evening, and I must say I am thoroughly entertained. Thank you!
Yes,I'm a fan.
Took a while to get your accent and keep up with the speed of your diagnostics but the more I watch the easier it gets. Love how you show the process as it happens 'warts and all'. I feel blessed to have found this channel and be exposed to your tutoring.
I love the conversation he has with the inanimate objects.. It make me feel like maybe im not as crazy as i seem when i do it.
The new mic is perfect, keep up the good work!
+Faisal Almalki Mr. Almalki, would You recommend this gentleman to fix a Macbook Pro?
Louis, you keeping your mistakes for learning purposes is very cool. Little things like that are why i subscribed.
Great video! I admire your tenacity! I'm an Electrical Engineer of 36 years with a lot of computer board design experience as well as board repair experience both professionally and as a hobby. I always get pleasure in repairing circuit boards with SMC parts and small components under a stereo microscope and making them come alive again. I enjoyed watching and learned some new techniques from your video -- thanks!
Some suggestions you might want to try:
-- Use a clean soft-bristle toothbrush for removing unwanted fibers and crud instead of a paper towel and/or tweezers. A soft-bristle toothbrush can be used to apply and spread a better controlled amount of solder flux more evenly; it would be lint free.
-- With a sharp pin, lightly scratch some package alignments marks onto the board before removing the old part so they can be a guide when placing the new part.
-- Instead of using tape to hold the stencil to the package for re-balling, on the stencil, perhaps some silicone rubber (the kind used to make gaskets on cars; good up to 500 deg. F) could be used to create a permanent and snug package holder and alignment perimeter, which would be bonded to the metal stencil that the package would fit into and be held firmly.
-- For help in the initial leveling and for the removal of excess solder paste from the stencil, try using a single-edge razor blade to act as a squeegee.
The comedy show starts at 1:11:40. With all due respect though great vid thanks! "Nice try little ball" hilarious!
I like your channel because you are very informative!
Your channel blew my mind. I always thought that if there was a problem with a component it was trash time. you have shown me that with the proper knowledge, skill set, and technique some computer components can be salvaged. Subscribe for sure.
I like that you publish videos even though it's not a successful repair. I learn from them, and it shows people who are early in their career professionals 'fails' too.
Your videos are great, they've been very helpful, your are sort of like a Howard Stern for techies, irreverent, zero bullshit type of guy !
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I think Victor is right, you are the Howard Stern of the ET world, and I appreciate that. I appreciate learning from people who don't edit out the failures, who tell it like it is. I agree you can learn as much, perhaps more, from failures as you can from successes.
Thank you for your videos. You earned a subscriber.
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shame you can not get small ball bearings and some how get them to solder in the holes
Very much worth my time to listen to you. I'm going into business this month. Best of success to you and your business.
I can't exactly say why but this was a captivating video for me. Although I understand electronics and soldering, this is waaay above my experience level. Towards the end I was rooting for you to bring the board alive!! This was a very informative show of skill and expertise. Thanks so much for putting it together and sharing it with the world.
HOLY SH*T, I never would have thought you could do this level of repair.
did the customer see this video? I would love to know his/her reaction
Louis, I could never do what you do,but I really enjoy watching your videos! Boy, I'd love to know just HALF of the stuff you've forgotten!!!!
New favorite tech channel for sure. You remind me a lot of me which is a good thing. "Use your brain" in music, recording tech, computers and IT, skateboards and every other hobby I have I feel like is always understated. Thanks for a great channel. Keep posting.
+FreekSharkHD Thank you for the comment!
It's aligned! IT'S ALIGNED!
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Thanks for reminding why I hate Apple.
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Looking how you are removing those old balls.. I wonder what huge thermal stress the package has to survive even though the support takes some heat out.
Btw. don't worry so much about alignment, if you are using SnPb solder paste, it will quite nicely go to pad when being reflowed later on board. And one more tip.. storing soldering paste in siringe is not wery good, because paste is supposed to be mixed before any printing as those solder particles inside are still moving in flux, which is around. And don't worry about lead too much :D Lead is still less toxic than fluxes in lead-free solder paste :))
aww, i really wanted it to work. dont give up the fight.
Thank you for take out your very important time to make this informative video.
Mad props brother! That's dedication for sure! I could feel your pain and aggravation throughout the whole process 🍻
I didn't think people still repaired boards, I trained for this but the pc repair business here dropped to cleaning malware and board replacement. Many years ago you would get up to $80.00 per hour and then boards got so cheep and changed so fast no one fixed them they simply replaced them out.
+KoolBreeze420 Have you priced out a Apple replacement board lately?
some of the things you say would make steve jobs roll over in his grave, and I really enjoy it :D
rlly?
yep
if they simply went along their chosen path people would have apple IIgs systems running at 4ghz now instead of pcs. but noooo steve jobs had to go in and screw up their entire existing customer base and come up with inferior, broken by design crap. and new, even more broken versions of that every month or so. (until they rightfully kicked him out - that pepsi guy may not have understood a crap about computers but at least he realized that steve jobs is bad news ;)
literally every product steve jobs interfered with either melted on the spot or caught fire (mac classic mainboards, apple III PSU, the apple cube definately burned down an office or 2 during it's short existence, jobs touched it? it's crap. guaranteed ;)
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Hear his screams ... JOB WELL DONE.
Your videos are like a crime scene, not sure what im looking at but cant look away! Very entertaining and informative. LOVE IT! Keep'em coming!!!
Great video Louis. Something new definitely learnt. I have replaced other BGA's but never attempted an SMC due to the programming issues as we dont know if the donor board would have a working SMC which will end up wasting time just as happened to you. But really appreciate the effort and great video.
Are these chips Read protected?
If so, wouldn't it pay to have a functioning motherboard sitting around to just test donor chips with?
I mean, you obiously decided it wasn't worthwhile, even though this adds an unknown in an ongoing repair, so why?
Gonna use this video for a drinking game, every time he says ball/balls take a shot.
RIP from alcohol poisoning :(
Brilliantly informative and dare I say, entertaining video. I have only found your channel a few days ago but have already whiled away many an hour watching your content. Particularly liked this one as it was a challenge and a great pity it turned to BER. Thanks for sharing
Watched from start to finish, just had to hang in there with you through the struggle man. Great video. Even had me laughing out loud.
Wouldn't it be a bit healthier to get someone to machine a template with walls, pop the chip in and it's aligned? Just a random thought I had while watching.
+WKDworks
same thought. cncing a stencil with chipholder shouldn't cost that much. BTW I'm still wondering what needs to happen to a board to do that amount of damage. Is someone dancing on it?
WKDworks couldn't the template be made in two parts? A second one the same size but with a hole the size of the chip that you can pop it into. Then you just align the two templates perhaps in a clamp rather than having to align by eye. If this second template was same thickness as chip you could use another one with no cutout to support it.Basically suggesting a series of templates you could use for different chips etc...
You could probably get away with 3D printing it even
All this work for something that may or may not work. SMC replacement truly is a nightmare!
it sure is
You are a rock star Sir. I could never do this work. As the harder I try more my hands shake. Thanks for the video. It was like watching magic and you kept so cool.
The interjections and adjectives are my Favorite :D Big Fan!!!!!! Thank You for making the videos!!!!!!!!!
I've seen some shit PCBs in my time but fuck me....I can't believe you're even attempting to repair that, especially a Crapple CrapBook.
There are a tonne of screwed SMD parts on there. I wonder how many resistors, capacitors, diodes and BGTs you had to replace as well.
+Arthur Wellesley 1st Duke of Wellington A lot. See the wires at the end of the video. :(
Louis Rossmann +Louis Rossmann I know your pain. I stick to rewiring houses and doing commercial and domestic stuff these days as electronics drives me insane.
Even then, it comes with it's own set of problems. Armoured cable is a bitch to work with, plasterers do not clean out back box spaces & terminations can be a pain at times.
That said, working with 2.5mm² cable is a lot better than working with something microscopic. I refused to touch apple products due to having to self teach & find out all the problems before you find the correct solution. It's a good way to learn but it's one that tests your patience. Proprietary stuff will always end up reverse engineered, so why Apple care so much about it I don't know. PCs can mount much more powerful stuff in them anyways.
I love you man, stay salty
This is one of the most frustrating videos I've ever seen, kudos to that patience.
I love watching this for both the information and humor. Well done, love it. haha
Holy sh*t I wouldn't touch that peace of crap, I've repaired crap but not a such big one... I can tell you that replacing an eMMC on a phone mainboard is also a pain in the butt :P
+BlackBullPistol I can imagine.
+Louis Rossmann Oh ive just subscribed thats second video i find in youtube of you which you seem to be more effective than just a fan boy hahah 1st was why you don't use apple products haha :D
1:15:50 You forgot.
Darn it
your amazing and funny tech, to be honest your legit bro..i watch every video you have posted. i do work on macbook motherboards..thank you for your time and very helpful on my end and my customers!! keep up good work and all great videos you DO!!!
This was a fantastic video and when you got the orange light and briefly considered changing the CPU/PCH, I was saying yes. I understand it was lost financially but, I just wanted a happy ending for that board that had gone through so much, yet still showed a glimmer of fight. Great viewing.
this guy is fucking amazing
Thanks for watching!
Louis Rossmann No, thank you for your dedication, keep doing the good work man!
you can hear his soul dying every time he has to deal with apple products
i started learning electrical fixing !!! i just done mi 1st iphone screen replace !!! thank you so much Louis!
Hey Louis,
First - huge THANK YOU for your content, You are INCOMPARABLE
second - my thoughts on excited balls problem:
my guess is that any kind of impurity in the solder paste, any particle of dirt, or sweat has a chance to burst into a small vapor bubble thus forcing the ball out, or not to adhere properly.
So, now - cleaning the chip is obvious but I think You shall cleanse the stencil also. Going further I reckon that the quality of the stencil is crucial here: the material its made of, the way its machined, the shape and smoothness of the cell walls.
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I know Im crazy.
you sound like me at work.. hate my life lol
+burgsenior What do you do? Hopefully something better than putting 96 individual balls into their respective places
+Louis Rossmann I service alarms and cctv.. But fixed MacBooks for a long time previously .. Nothin like the stuff you do tho
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UA-cam brought me in March 2022 and hey, always ready to spend some time with one of my favourite youtubers!
Thanks for this. This is the best reball video I've found on UA-cam.
I always hated Apple, if only the Amiga hadn't gone down.
Alas, Commodore's intention was to use WinNT for their post-AAA system, and the Amiga community had too much of a boner for PowerPC to see the writing on the wall. All the people outside the engineering department had no vision.
At least I can still enjoy my A1200 hooked up downstairs. Even today, it's the most fun computer I own.
I let another Amiga enthusiast keep both my Amiga computers, I was transferred to the East Coast and lost track. I watched a recent movie about the Amiga and am still not sure how the Commodore owner who did well in the beginning with things ultimately dropped the ball. I remember it taking years for the PC to catch up to the Amiga, and the turmoil around the "California Amiga" that never was. That was back when a year seemed like a long time in electronics, now the years pass by like seconds.
I used. an Amiga with a SCSI hard drive. Very cutting edge back then. The GUI was very nice, I still have the stereo video monitor and will put it on eBay soon.
Only a techie can talk about "tiny little balls" and get away with it.
Respect for taking the time to do all that.
Greetings and much appreciation from Australia. Yes we do say solder. Like your approach with pricing and work ethic. Very kind to share your knowledge and fuckups. Thanks.
And after all this work, you realize you put the chip the wrong way...
+GogogoFollowMe
That would absolutely suck.
or that the chip doesn't work
Or the wrong chip on the wrong motherboard '^^
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Oh god. I can imagine the horrorful anger of discovering you replaced the wrong chip. I'd just be so done at that point, at least temporally.
These videos are oddly saitisfying to watch. Not sure why ;--;
i love your message for apple about they will nver stop people to do anything , your equipement knowledge and abilities make me jealous a bit , great job man , AMEN
To get rid of excess solder paste when im reballing I use a razer blade (the flat scraper blades they use for car bodywork, oven glass cleaning etc), seems to work really well and removes all the excess paste flush with the stencil.
I never knew electronics repair could be such a horrible pain in the ass.
you've never been to my office then, this is just the beginning :)
Louis Rossmann You have more patience than me. I would be cursing Apple for having to design everything like that and not tell you how to repair them. It is a miracle that Apple sells as many devices as they do considering that. I have an Xperia Z3 that is better in many ways and being water resistant is one. I am not one of those goofballs who is going to drown my phone just to test that out but I have been in the rain with it once and it did not do anything bad except make the touchscreen frustrating to work with until it dries off again. That is a common problem with any capacitive screen.
John Doe I curse them everyday and upload it to UA-cam! In terms of liquid resistance, I like Motorola. I can drop it in boiling water with my dinner, it rings, I pick it up out of the boiling water and it works..
Imagine the exact same work, but smaller components. Then you’re in high-level phone repair. If what he’s doing is taking a bite of the burrito, phone repair is eating the rest of the burrito. Electronics repair is brutal now.
@@rossmanngroup Military in USA have always used Motorola.
Man when I watch you challenge yourself it makes me realize its ok when I work a 12 to 16 hour day troubleshooting something, I'm an industrial electrician and instrumentation technician so I perfectly undertand when your brains telling you to go home but your heart says keep going. You truely do rock
thank ypou very much sir ,i had only knowledge in repar in hp ,dell...idont know any step to repair macbook,but i have been watching your videos since one year i can improve my self in mac book repair thank you so much
thank you master, for sharing, i have my own service station in my house, and im always looking some tips to your good video.
That ultrasonic sound rattled my cage so hard; I was just connecting a battery terminal when I hear this hissing noise. Two days ago I tried a new product where someone had left a protective film on the bottom of the heat sink and it melted causing a short and immediately burst into a flame that became a blow torch through the spinning fan. So that noise probably raised my heart rate about 40 bpm. THANKS LOUIS!
wow! you put in the extra effort! I would have tosed that board across the room a couple of times!! very well done indeed!
You do really know what you are doing.Great videos. Best regards from Norway Trond Martinsen
I like this guys attitude. Great channel!
33:42 is fn cool. you can see the paste turn into molten solder balls as it melts.
I'm trying to get soldering as a skill so that i can put at least basics of soldering into my resume. Thank Rossman for any jobs it gets me.