@@MissAyame89lol I came here to say that 😂 Like. They all know he's an idiot but whipping him into shape didn't matter until the hunting accident prematurely crowned the kid. Nobody prioritized it.
i thought so too but my scene is when she finally saw him for the last time in her chambers. she couldve killed him but didnt. even tho she hated his guts she could not admit that he meant her or her children any harm and that instead he loved the children
I legitimately think it was Littlefinger. Ser Mandon was a knight from the Vale, brought to court by Lord Jon Arryn and Littlefinger. He could have been manipulated into believing Tyrion was responsible for Lord Arryn's death, or he was Littlefinger's latest catspaw to sow chaos among the Lannisters (even if it was with their least-favored member).
GRRM has a thing with characters like that. A vicious beast but an 8 year old kid with complexes from his mom. An idiot, but that understood that kings landing needed its own standing army and deal with deanarys asap. A brutal moron, but that would have dealt with the faith militants appropriatly.
Would have happened anyway, nobody with brains was going to allow Joffrey to rule for a stretch of time. He was too much of a risk and couldn’t be controlled even by his own family. Everybody was gunning for that kid and knew he would be chaos if left on the throne.
They really could have been an unstoppable trio as jaime was already on both their sides 100%. One of the greatest deep plotters mixed with one of the greatest swordsman and one of the most cunning serpents.
@natural_20s I'm pretty sure the great swordsman thing is Jame... Tyrion was a plotter but he didn't use his looks to help him be deceitful so I think they were referring to Tyrion as the deep plotter and Cercei as the cunning serpent lol.
@@subutai8458 She always hated him, but by season 4 after this scene, she sees him as the person responsible for her children's deaths, and he allies himself with Dany who is her biggest enemy. There's no chance in hell this character would let him walk away alive. The writers are complete potatoes.
Another power duo in a different lifetime. United Lannister siblings would have been unstoppable. Tywin doesn't understand how much he ruined his kids.
Only a few things the Lannisters ever agreed on: Tywin scares most everyone, gold solves most problems and without it they are fcked, and Joffrey is a fuck wit lol
I like the theory that Littlefinger attempted to have Tyrion killed to cover up his plot with the Valyrian steel dagger - Ser Mandon was a Valeman and was likely recommended by Littlefinger from his place on the small council
Yeah, when Crescent drinks the poison, it takes seconds, joffrey, has a reaction right after eating, tyrions pie.they also literally spell out that tywin was poisoned keep saying he looks dead and he finally poops when he dies
@@wab_wab well, the main thing littlefinger wanted to do was cause chaos but bring about some normalcy. He says to Sansa he intended for joffery to die. With tommen on the throne instead of the impulsive joffery he likely would have had a couple years to plan. He had no idea Tyrion would somehow avoid punishment and kill his father. This threw the realm into more chaos since Cersei did stupid ideas like default on the nations debt. Littlefinger likely would be able to be the best earner for the iron bank which would have drawn attention to himself which he really didn’t want to do.
It really is incredible how Cersei doesn't ever think she is at fault or this isn't also her problem she created. I love my children cope goes way too far.
its crazy to me how incredibly great this show was at its height (seasons 1-4). Every scene and line of dialogue matters, makes sense and furthers the plot. Ill never understand why HBO couldnt have just bought off D&D and finished the show with some dignity.
If she listened to her little brother, they would have been more dangerous than their father. Tyrion was wise and Cersei was ruthless. They balance each other well. But she hated him because of her mother's death and sadly she never let it go. But he was one of the few that could tell her the truth and even though she hated him, she knew he was right.
Book spoilers (put your tin hat on) IMO in the books it was Littlefinger behind Mandon’s attempt at Tyrions life. Sir Mandon is from the the Vale, was recommended for the kindsguard by Lord Jon Arryn, whom Sir Mandon was previously recommended to by Littlefinger. At some point before Littlefinger left to make the marriage pack between Joffrey and Marg, Tyrion let it slip (in less words) that he knows about the dagger meant for Bran, and knows it was Littlefinger behind it (or rather behind the lie that sparked the war between Lannister and stark) To silence him, cut loose ties and make Sansa available, Littlefinger tries to get Tyrion killed.
@@brightestdarkness7882 Its also very likely that the poison cake was intended for Tyrion rather than Joffrey. Since in the book, Joffrey eats from Tyrion's plate while bullying him.
@@theberserker6000 YES I TOTALLY AGREE!! It’s been a while since I’ve read the books but from what I remember there seemed to be multiple poisoning attempts going on at once, and Joffrey so happened to eat the poison meant for his uncle.
The Lannisters would have dominated the Seven Kingdoms if Tywin and Cersei accepted Tyrion. It's funny isn't it. All Tywin cared about what his legacy and the Lannister name yet he refused the one singular path that would have led to the Lannisters' domination. Did he think he was going to live forever ?
It is interesting that in the show, Cersi never actually wanted Tyrion dead, until she believed he had killed one of her children. If they had had therapy back then for her to process the death of her mother, Tyrion and Cersi might have been close 😂 In the show, Tyrion is pretty intuitive about his sister and her feelings and treats her pretty sympathetically despite her insults amd actions.
This is one of the few if not only conversation that these two have that they are seeming to work together and it's not all stabs at one another which probably came before or after this conversation and is usually what all thier conversations consist of in this series. Idk how it is in the books 😅
The Love, Compassion and Resolve of a Mother. The Skill, Honor and Loyalty of a Knight The Intelligence, Wit and Wisdom of the Father. Together they could have surpassed Tywin and established a centuries long dynasty. Exactly what Tywin wanted. If only he knew, HE was the problem.
@@leannewilson6042jajaja with tywin the dornish and the vale yeah Wildfire No body except robb where better battle commanders and tywin most def would've paid to kill dany with a faceless man
If Cercei wasn't such a spoiled brat and Tywin realized the potential of Tyrion I'm sure their house would be unstoppable, I don't even need Jeoffrey to be good because he'd die either way
She wasn't pretty and charming enough for the role of Margery, and she wasn't smart enough for the role of Tywin. She had no business playing the game. She should have just married correctly, and been a whisper in the ear while keeping Jamie a secret. As said in the books and TV show, she isn't nearly as smart as she thinks she is. Her power rise was pretty much blind luck and already starting at the advantage
@@John.McMillan In the books Cersei is the most beautiful women in all of Westeros AND Essos. Not Margery, not Lyanna, not even Daenerys are more beautiful than her. The only one who is more beautiful than her is Sansa. The point is, she should have played herself agreeable and pleasant rather than cold and tough. Cunning in secret, rather than try and pretend to be like her father. She actually does that when she confronts Tywin and told him the truth. From that point on, she doesn't care about him anymore. But she is still to stupid to forcefully create as many enemies as possible...
@@achilles7607 even in the show Lena Heady is an absolute stunner. So she definitely was pretty enough but she didn't have an ounce of feminine charm. Although that is likely because her mother died when she was very young and she was raised by Tywin's methods. Don't get me wrong, Tywin was one of the best characters and the best tactician in Westeros but he was a terrible father in all aspects. He raised his children as pawns for his own schemes. Tyrion was lucky that Tywin hated him so much because he was able to learn from afar as opposed to how his older siblings were given upfront teachings.
Interestingly, Joffrey had the brightest idea. Lords should not have armies - only the king. And so the king would have one centralized power, which mitigates war alliances between houses.
They all think Joffrey is an idiot - and on the whole he is. But it's not because he's stupid, quite the opposite - and his deviations and wounded pride come from an inner realization of his weaknesses. The question is - why didn't anyone try to teach him? Especially in his youth, when he wasn't a rambunctious teenager. Daenerys was helped in the end by everyone.
I don’t understand what Cersei was after hating the tyrell’s, did she expect Joffrey to marry Myrcella? I know her and Jaime are sick but she can’t expect incest to become normalized.
Well you see, that is what at her core makes her so despicable. She genuinely doesn't think of the bigger picture. She is so ridiculously selfish. She doesn't think ahead. Tywin literally tells her "you think I don't like you because you are a girl, but it's because you aren't as smart as you think you are"
She was given a prophecy that a younger, more beautiful queen will take everything from her. She was also given one that "The little brother" (though it may be Sister too) will kill her. She's been paranoid of both of these all her life, especially since she thinks that Tyrion is the brother in the prophecy.
I find it so funny that if Tywin didn't fuck up his kids, all three of them united together as siblings would have been an unstoppable force that would have claimed the iron throne and started a dynasty lasting thousands of years, which is exactly what Tywin wanted.
In the "Game of Thrones" TV series, the evidence suggesting Cersei's involvement comes primarily from Tyrion's accusation during their confrontation in Season 2, Episode 9 ("Blackwater"). When Tyrion confronts Cersei about the attempt on his life, he accuses her of ordering the Kingsguard to kill him. Cersei's reaction, which is silence rather than denial, can be interpreted as tacit acknowledgment of her involvement. Additionally, Cersei's longstanding animosity towards Tyrion and her desire to eliminate him as a threat to her power provide further motivation for her potential involvement. While the show doesn't provide concrete proof, this scene strongly implies Cersei's culpability.
An idiot who by all rights can still take your head is a dangerous individual. Ned found that out. If Joffrey were more brash he could’ve done the same to any of Tyrion, Tywin, Jamie etc. They all played their parts around him and he was none the wiser.
I don’t understand Cersei’s hate for the Tyrell’s here. Joffrey will need to father children to continue the line, as king it will need to be of noble blood.. it was fine when it was a Stark but not a Tyrell? He’s the He… his direct paternal line is literally his own. The family name stays his.. so unless Cersei planned to wed him off to a Lannister for some cousin incest and never mentioned it.. this makes no sense.
I hated what become of Cersei after Joffrey's death. Leading up to season 5 she was obviously evil, but she played the game and her only weak point was her children and to a lesser extent Jaime. Then you get to mid season 5 and she's almost stopped trying to hide her evil deeds and is just blatantly terrible to everyone
I don’t understand why Cersei hates Margery? Yes, she just wants to be queen and they choose her because she comes from a rich and powerful family…..does Cersei not see the irony?
I think it’s a deleted scene. I don’t remember this at all and I’ve seen GoT so many times lol. Has to be a deleted scene or this is some Mandela effect
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I love that Tyrion, Cersei and Tywin treat Joffrey like an idiot
Because he is
@@MissAyame89lol I came here to say that 😂
Like. They all know he's an idiot but whipping him into shape didn't matter until the hunting accident prematurely crowned the kid. Nobody prioritized it.
Don't forget Jaime
He's like 13 so it checks out
@@boldandbrash8431ain’t he like 16 in this universe
This is probably the most they got along in the whole show.
i thought so too but my scene is when she finally saw him for the last time in her chambers. she couldve killed him but didnt. even tho she hated his guts she could not admit that he meant her or her children any harm and that instead he loved the children
Indeed.
When they were drinking together and laughing
She didn't even fight that... Yeah my boy is a class A fuck wit 🤷
MY boy? 🤔🤔🤔
@@fpl_djhammer from her perspective... My boy
I legitimately think it was Littlefinger. Ser Mandon was a knight from the Vale, brought to court by Lord Jon Arryn and Littlefinger. He could have been manipulated into believing Tyrion was responsible for Lord Arryn's death, or he was Littlefinger's latest catspaw to sow chaos among the Lannisters (even if it was with their least-favored member).
@@LordBloodraven most likely it was Joffrey to be honest
She can either shut up or accept it or be cemented as the stupid one because she's the one who actually ordered Tyrion's murder 😂
"We had vicious kings and we had idiot kings but I don't remember if we've ever been cursed with a vicious idiot king"
Even Targeyens had standards or at least were different.
Not counting aerys mad king?
@@caohathaonguyen7313 not counting him. I'm talking about Maegor
@@asavelakuse6865 oh right, but i dont thnk maegor ever ordered a pregnant cat be opened so he can see the kittens in its belly. That's something else
@@caohathaonguyen7313aerys wasn't that bad early on in his life. After all, he was someone tywin called a friend.
Even tho everyone hates eachother, they all agree Joffrey is an idiot, Even Cersei agrees.
Seven kingdoms United to say Joffrey is an idiot
GRRM has a thing with characters like that. A vicious beast but an 8 year old kid with complexes from his mom. An idiot, but that understood that kings landing needed its own standing army and deal with deanarys asap. A brutal moron, but that would have dealt with the faith militants appropriatly.
Which is just rich coming from her
It’s kinda hard NOT to know he’s a idiot, anyone who met him would realise he’s an arrogant idiot
@@warallied he’s not an idiot just misguided and pampered. Had he been raised by Tywin he would have been a more effective ruler
"History will be taken from our hands."
With the way Joffrey turned out, that's probably a good thing.
She says it like she expected Joff and Myrcella to be wed to each other.
@@bloodaonadeline8346Knowing her story with Jamie, she probably did
@@bloodaonadeline8346 call myrecella neo because she dodged a bullet
Would have happened anyway, nobody with brains was going to allow Joffrey to rule for a stretch of time. He was too much of a risk and couldn’t be controlled even by his own family.
Everybody was gunning for that kid and knew he would be chaos if left on the throne.
Imagine how terrifyingly effective they could have been if she was nice to her baby brother.
They really could have been an unstoppable trio as jaime was already on both their sides 100%. One of the greatest deep plotters mixed with one of the greatest swordsman and one of the most cunning serpents.
@@subutai8458cersei was NOT a deep plotter lmaoo look at what she did with the faith militant
@natural_20s I'm pretty sure the great swordsman thing is Jame... Tyrion was a plotter but he didn't use his looks to help him be deceitful so I think they were referring to Tyrion as the deep plotter and Cercei as the cunning serpent lol.
@@lillyhall8284 probably- I re-read their comment afterwards and agree with you
@@subutai8458 She always hated him, but by season 4 after this scene, she sees him as the person responsible for her children's deaths, and he allies himself with Dany who is her biggest enemy. There's no chance in hell this character would let him walk away alive. The writers are complete potatoes.
Another power duo in a different lifetime.
United Lannister siblings would have been unstoppable.
Tywin doesn't understand how much he ruined his kids.
I mean, in a sense many of Westeros' problems in this series were the direct result of Lannister siblings *uniting*
@@lucasallen5415 Take me NOT out of context, Sir!
@@lucasallen5415so Cersei and Jaime just needed to invite Tyrion into their “unifications”
@@lucasallen5415what happens in house Lannister stays in house Lannister
Would they all be the same if their father was a good parent? They’re all cunning, scheming, intelligent and ruthless because of their upbringing.
Only a few things the Lannisters ever agreed on: Tywin scares most everyone, gold solves most problems and without it they are fcked, and Joffrey is a fuck wit lol
You're so cute acknowledge me by replying or I'm gonna be heartbroken
@@4CelciusDegree weird
More like the seven kingdoms unite in calling Joffrey an idiot
'There's two people in King's Landing that can give an order to the kingsguard'
Petyr Baelish: hold my Vale connections.
City watch and not kingsguard eeh?
Moore was from vale
“What do you want me to say?” was honestly most sisterly I’ve seen Cersei be towards Tyrion
When even your mother won't defend your intellect 😂
Or lack thereof.
Those were my favorite scenes in the whole show
Just Lannisters talking was so enjoyable back in those seasons
I love that “probably” from Cersei 😂
If Cerci wasn’t so psychotic and spoiledab loved Tyrion like Jamie did, those children would’ve been an unstoppable trio
i hope not like she loved Jamie 😅
just as Jamie loved Tyrion
Mother's truly is unconditional(some exception exist ofc), but at least she knew his son just beyond help
They have the best and most honest conversations of anyone in that family.
I like the theory that Littlefinger attempted to have Tyrion killed to cover up his plot with the Valyrian steel dagger - Ser Mandon was a Valeman and was likely recommended by Littlefinger from his place on the small council
Cersi calling anybody a whore is actually crazy...
I mean, she's the expert
She also takes Bastards as a shame but ironically she's the one having three of them with Jamie 😂
Takes one to know one lmao
Because whore is a major insult to a woman. That's why irl you'll see the biggest whores calling other chicks whores because they know how bad it is
I mean since she is one she would know
The 7 Kingdoms, united in fear of Tywin Lannister.
That has to be one of the most important quotes ths season. Man, writing was good back then
In the books it was likely littlefinger who ordered Mandon to kill him
Yeah and I am in the camp that he tried to kill Tyrion not Joff at the wedding.
Yeah, when Crescent drinks the poison, it takes seconds, joffrey, has a reaction right after eating, tyrions pie.they also literally spell out that tywin was poisoned keep saying he looks dead and he finally poops when he dies
@@wab_wab olenna says she didnt want her grandaughter to marry geoffrey
@@wab_wab well, the main thing littlefinger wanted to do was cause chaos but bring about some normalcy. He says to Sansa he intended for joffery to die. With tommen on the throne instead of the impulsive joffery he likely would have had a couple years to plan. He had no idea Tyrion would somehow avoid punishment and kill his father. This threw the realm into more chaos since Cersei did stupid ideas like default on the nations debt. Littlefinger likely would be able to be the best earner for the iron bank which would have drawn attention to himself which he really didn’t want to do.
@@bosco6487different poisons.
Amazing acting. I miss this show sm
He is such a fantastic actor
They both are
Indeed.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849you talking about joffrey? He was the best actor in the series
“Future will be taken from our hands”…history is taken from everyone’s hands
What she says in the end makes me think she most certainly wanted to keep her blood "pure", like the Targaryens did...
She didn't even try to defend or fight back an argument, and we are talking about Cersei Lannister
It really is incredible how Cersei doesn't ever think she is at fault or this isn't also her problem she created. I love my children cope goes way too far.
its crazy to me how incredibly great this show was at its height (seasons 1-4). Every scene and line of dialogue matters, makes sense and furthers the plot. Ill never understand why HBO couldnt have just bought off D&D and finished the show with some dignity.
"History will be taken from our hands."
Damn that line hits so hard 😮
If she listened to her little brother, they would have been more dangerous than their father. Tyrion was wise and Cersei was ruthless. They balance each other well. But she hated him because of her mother's death and sadly she never let it go. But he was one of the few that could tell her the truth and even though she hated him, she knew he was right.
"DID YOU ORDER THE CODE RED?"
You can't handle the truth 😡
@@Kidzie😠 did you order the code red?!?
All of the Lannisters united would be unstoppable
I always wondered about that one Kingsgaurd who struck him down and what his deal was.
Book spoilers (put your tin hat on)
IMO in the books it was Littlefinger behind Mandon’s attempt at Tyrions life. Sir Mandon is from the the Vale, was recommended for the kindsguard by Lord Jon Arryn, whom Sir Mandon was previously recommended to by Littlefinger.
At some point before Littlefinger left to make the marriage pack between Joffrey and Marg, Tyrion let it slip (in less words) that he knows about the dagger meant for Bran, and knows it was Littlefinger behind it (or rather behind the lie that sparked the war between Lannister and stark) To silence him, cut loose ties and make Sansa available, Littlefinger tries to get Tyrion killed.
@@brightestdarkness7882 Its also very likely that the poison cake was intended for Tyrion rather than Joffrey. Since in the book, Joffrey eats from Tyrion's plate while bullying him.
@@theberserker6000
YES I TOTALLY AGREE!!
It’s been a while since I’ve read the books but from what I remember there seemed to be multiple poisoning attempts going on at once, and Joffrey so happened to eat the poison meant for his uncle.
@@brightestdarkness7882 Indeed.
@@theberserker6000 Damn
That dialogue...
Man, i miss this
When the narcissist can even see plain logic or answer yo it, you know it is incapable of feeling empathy. At least for Tyrion...
This is why Cersei thinks Jeffrey is poisoned 🤢 by Tyrion coz he mentioned by him self how Poison works without someone noticing.
"in the game of thrones, there are players and there are pawns. And there are pawns who think they are players. Like the Queen"
Petyr Baelish
North didn't fear anyone❤
The Lannisters would have dominated the Seven Kingdoms if Tywin and Cersei accepted Tyrion. It's funny isn't it. All Tywin cared about what his legacy and the Lannister name yet he refused the one singular path that would have led to the Lannisters' domination. Did he think he was going to live forever ?
It is interesting that in the show, Cersi never actually wanted Tyrion dead, until she believed he had killed one of her children. If they had had therapy back then for her to process the death of her mother, Tyrion and Cersi might have been close 😂 In the show, Tyrion is pretty intuitive about his sister and her feelings and treats her pretty sympathetically despite her insults amd actions.
Cersei probably being a little bit nicer than normal because deep down she knows if Tyrion wanted her and her kids dead all he had to do was nothing.
That “he could have had me poisoned, and no one would have known" hits different in hindsight
The way she leans left and says - " what do you want me to say"
She measures Margaery by her own yardstick
Little foreshadowing about the poison.
Indeed.
"WhaT dO yOU wAnT mE TO saYyyY ?????"💅💝🎀👄
This is one of the few if not only conversation that these two have that they are seeming to work together and it's not all stabs at one another which probably came before or after this conversation and is usually what all thier conversations consist of in this series. Idk how it is in the books 😅
This is one of most interesting part in book 2. Who ordered Ser Mandon Moore to kill Tyrion in The battle of Blackwater
The Love, Compassion and Resolve of a Mother.
The Skill, Honor and Loyalty of a Knight
The Intelligence, Wit and Wisdom of the Father.
Together they could have surpassed Tywin and established a centuries long dynasty. Exactly what Tywin wanted. If only he knew, HE was the problem.
Did my hand fall from my wrist!?
If the Lannisters were united, they would have beaten even Dany's army!!
No, the unsullied, the dothraki and a dragon...na
@@leannewilson6042jajaja with tywin the dornish and the vale yeah
Wildfire
No body except robb where better battle commanders and tywin most def would've paid to kill dany with a faceless man
How will the history be taken from your hands when it'll be followed by your grandchildren?!
If Cercei wasn't such a spoiled brat and Tywin realized the potential of Tyrion I'm sure their house would be unstoppable, I don't even need Jeoffrey to be good because he'd die either way
*Wow, poisoning somebody without anyone knowing....*
_Somebody needs to be taking notes with these ideas...._
"Probably." Lol
There is a twist, it wasn’t joffrey, it was little finger’s first attempt at tyrion, 2nd being the purple wedding
If cersei is accepting her son as an idiot, then he is way more than that
What a conversation 😅😅
So in the last season tyrion completely forgot she tried to kill him all the time and just trusts her to keep her word lol😂😂
Cersei would have been better off if she played the game like Margaery instead of like Tywin.
She wasn't pretty and charming enough for the role of Margery, and she wasn't smart enough for the role of Tywin.
She had no business playing the game. She should have just married correctly, and been a whisper in the ear while keeping Jamie a secret.
As said in the books and TV show, she isn't nearly as smart as she thinks she is. Her power rise was pretty much blind luck and already starting at the advantage
@@John.McMillan
In the books Cersei is the most beautiful women in all of Westeros AND Essos. Not Margery, not Lyanna, not even Daenerys are more beautiful than her.
The only one who is more beautiful than her is Sansa.
The point is, she should have played herself agreeable and pleasant rather than cold and tough. Cunning in secret, rather than try and pretend to be like her father. She actually does that when she confronts Tywin and told him the truth. From that point on, she doesn't care about him anymore. But she is still to stupid to forcefully create as many enemies as possible...
@@achilles7607 even in the show Lena Heady is an absolute stunner. So she definitely was pretty enough but she didn't have an ounce of feminine charm. Although that is likely because her mother died when she was very young and she was raised by Tywin's methods. Don't get me wrong, Tywin was one of the best characters and the best tactician in Westeros but he was a terrible father in all aspects. He raised his children as pawns for his own schemes. Tyrion was lucky that Tywin hated him so much because he was able to learn from afar as opposed to how his older siblings were given upfront teachings.
If she played like Margaery, she would have been unstoppable
@@brettbrooks5511
Yes, I agree.
I really want to hear Tyrion say "dollop"
She ordered it
Interestingly, Joffrey had the brightest idea.
Lords should not have armies - only the king. And so the king would have one centralized power, which mitigates war alliances between houses.
Tyrion for President 2024 🤘🏻
Sorry. Not a citizen
Lannister the most beloved family of author 😂
They all think Joffrey is an idiot - and on the whole he is. But it's not because he's stupid, quite the opposite - and his deviations and wounded pride come from an inner realization of his weaknesses.
The question is - why didn't anyone try to teach him? Especially in his youth, when he wasn't a rambunctious teenager.
Daenerys was helped in the end by everyone.
So it was Joffrey that’s wild I thought it was Cersei this whole time lol
I think it was Grand Maester Pycelle.
"History will be taken from our hands."
Because her son will be marrying someone he isn't' related to...
Actually 3 ppl. King, queen, hand of the king
I don’t understand what Cersei was after hating the tyrell’s, did she expect Joffrey to marry Myrcella? I know her and Jaime are sick but she can’t expect incest to become normalized.
Incest was normal for the previous dynasty for centuries and her father married his cousin
@@nikosfilipinoBut only for the Targs. The rest of the realm considered that degree of intermarriage to be an abomination
Well you see, that is what at her core makes her so despicable. She genuinely doesn't think of the bigger picture. She is so ridiculously selfish. She doesn't think ahead. Tywin literally tells her "you think I don't like you because you are a girl, but it's because you aren't as smart as you think you are"
She was given a prophecy that a younger, more beautiful queen will take everything from her. She was also given one that "The little brother" (though it may be Sister too) will kill her. She's been paranoid of both of these all her life, especially since she thinks that Tyrion is the brother in the prophecy.
I somehow have absolutely no recollection od this scene. None.
Stop pushing me to rewatch
I find it so funny that if Tywin didn't fuck up his kids, all three of them united together as siblings would have been an unstoppable force that would have claimed the iron throne and started a dynasty lasting thousands of years, which is exactly what Tywin wanted.
The way she almost seems jealous of her daughter-in-law
Almost ?
In the "Game of Thrones" TV series, the evidence suggesting Cersei's involvement comes primarily from Tyrion's accusation during their confrontation in Season 2, Episode 9 ("Blackwater"). When Tyrion confronts Cersei about the attempt on his life, he accuses her of ordering the Kingsguard to kill him. Cersei's reaction, which is silence rather than denial, can be interpreted as tacit acknowledgment of her involvement. Additionally, Cersei's longstanding animosity towards Tyrion and her desire to eliminate him as a threat to her power provide further motivation for her potential involvement. While the show doesn't provide concrete proof, this scene strongly implies Cersei's culpability.
Would be funny see Joffrey facing Danaeris
TYrian the true dragon king
Cersei like i want you dead but i ant doing it while farthers alive im not dumb
"History will be taken off our hands" all they care about
Wait which episode is this? I don’t remember it
It's interesting that most Queens end up thinking their heir is an idiot after taking the Crown 👑 🤔
GOT/HOTD
Mhen the way shes botter about the tyrels she probably was considering marrying joffrey herself . Cersei might be crazy enough to do it
I gotta catch up. Only on s2 😅
Did cersei love Tyrion?
Man, this show use to be so f good.
I've watched a good handful of episodes, good show, just the names of the characters I cant really follow who's who at many points
THE MOTHER F IING TYRELLS ESPECIALLY OLENNA TYRELL THE QUEEN OF THORNS
Damb i gotta finish the books but GRRM is sooooo behind😭
An idiot who by all rights can still take your head is a dangerous individual. Ned found that out. If Joffrey were more brash he could’ve done the same to any of Tyrion, Tywin, Jamie etc. They all played their parts around him and he was none the wiser.
Do you think Joffrey pointing at Tyrion was his final way to kill Tyrion? Or just bad luck on Tyrion?
Its saddening that Baratheons couldnt even pass the throne to their own
Joffrey want an idiot. He was blindly arrogant.
I don’t understand Cersei’s hate for the Tyrell’s here. Joffrey will need to father children to continue the line, as king it will need to be of noble blood.. it was fine when it was a Stark but not a Tyrell? He’s the He… his direct paternal line is literally his own. The family name stays his.. so unless Cersei planned to wed him off to a Lannister for some cousin incest and never mentioned it.. this makes no sense.
I hated what become of Cersei after Joffrey's death. Leading up to season 5 she was obviously evil, but she played the game and her only weak point was her children and to a lesser extent Jaime. Then you get to mid season 5 and she's almost stopped trying to hide her evil deeds and is just blatantly terrible to everyone
I don’t understand why Cersei hates Margery? Yes, she just wants to be queen and they choose her because she comes from a rich and powerful family…..does Cersei not see the irony?
She shouldn't have said poison.
Anyone knows the episode this is from. I can’t remember
I think it’s a deleted scene. I don’t remember this at all and I’ve seen GoT so many times lol. Has to be a deleted scene or this is some Mandela effect
Who did Cersei want Joffrey to marry? I mean, she knows children have to come from somewhere. What was her plan?