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Road to PRS - Load Development Part 2 - Determining Powder Charge and Seating Depth
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2023
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From F-class to PRS, the same methods of load development work. A shallow dive into the world of the Audette OCW ladder.
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Id love to see a 10-20 minute videos of it at 100 yards
Yes. I have 100 yards available and 500 yards is only at a club that is full right now
I want to see this as well as my closest range that exceeds 100yards is too far away (it has a max of 500yards).
Same!
Would definitely love to see your version of load development for 100 yards, really enjoy your takes on loading throughout your videos. Keep them coming!
Though accuracy is linear, I tend to focus on load development at around 700 yards. Using a 1/2 MOA plate. Majority of PRS points are gathered at 350-700 yards. I believe it's crucial to know your rifles tendencies and spend the time learning what your load does at these distances. Often, loads develop that shoot extremely well at 100 yards, fall apart at distance. Is it BC deviation?. From your F Class expirence, I would be honored to hear your expirence pertaining to this
Agreed here Eagle Eye. True'ing ballistics is critical for PRS. I spend more time validating/true'ing (vertical POI) than I do "developing" a load. The 6mm variants are very forgiving as it relates PRS accuracy expectations (1/2 MOA and < 20 FPS ES). If you have high confidence in your vertical ballistic, then miss is a wind adjustment, effectively removing a (horizontal) dimension I need to think about while shooting a stage. True'ing: 1. verify zero at 100; 2. True velocity at 500; 3. True BC at 1000 (or something 800+). If you can get those three points confirmed, all the dots on the curve between 100 and 1000 will spot on elevation wise.
Keith, I’d like to see it done at 100 but really enjoyed this testing at 600 as it’s easier to see the vertical dispersion. Great video!!
Any video that shows ways to do things differently is good, even if the concept is the same everyone will have a way to do theirs slightly different and you have more than enough merit to be worth a watch
So I have been shooting PRS for about a year now and I can tell you most people are really slowing our bullets down. I have not really seen anyone running above 2900 on Dasher, most of us are at 2800-2850 for better spotting fo trace and impacts with less recoil. I find it interesting you are running your Dasher so fast and look forward to seeing you shooting a few matches and providing feedback afterwards. Appreciate what you don on your channel.
This channel is a gold mine for information and when used as a learning tool will help you from wasting time and money in your progression.
Would like to see load development at 100. It’s harder to find anything beyond that around here.
Great video! As usual. Load development at 100 would be a great comparison to this video.
I would like to see the difference between 100 and 600. I love your videos, straight shooting in everything you show us. Just the truth.
Thank you for guiding through your develpment process. Another video on 100 yrds would be interesting, because it comes closer to what I usually can do in Germany, where I'm forced to 100 m, where longer ranges are a bit rare. What I found in optimising my 6.5 CM loads was, that at a certain point the 100 m range will not reveal any difference, especially when targeting the seating depth, so I went up to 300 m for testing and came back with some solid results.
Yes please for the 100 yard video for load development . Thank you
Yes, would LOVE a 100 yard series. You have talked before at starting at 100, then 300, 600, 1000........because things change.......but..is shooting at 100 and then moving up, the same procedure and conclusion as 100 yards and perfecting Accuracy and Precision ?....
Nice going. And yes 100 yard load development would be great if not inconvenience to your normal routine. 100 yards is normal range for around many here without travel to far far away.
Thanks ... I'm looking forward to your review of the Eagle Eye ammo...
100Y, yes please. Our club, here in the UK, has ranges out to 600Ys. But, as we only have use of the ranges for a couple of hours per week all but the 100Y range are reserved for competition use during the season. Thank you for all the great content... Peter
I'll take all you have to offer Keith - Thanks for sharing your procedures -
Outstanding series on Road to PRS! I found the information very interesting, although I am still relatively new to load development, I've learned a World Book Enclopedia set of information! I've just found the right node for my rifle, RPR in 6.5 creedmoor using Berger 144gn LRHT bullets over H-4350, 41.6; in Lapua brass. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
G. Action Jackson, MPA
MSGT/USMC, Ret.
Any content from you is good content I'll watch it all.
Thank you for the knowledge
Yes please and thank you
I'd love to see your data from 100 yds, especially when compared with 600. Glad to see you dipping into PRS!
Hi there, load development at 100 yards in detail would be awesome! Thanks in advance!
Yes please would love to see the 100 yard development
Yes the 100yd testing would be great to see. I'm not a good enough shooter to do my load work up at 600yd.
It's also more opportunity to see how you interpret the groups. I think I've made good choices with the load development I've done so far, but I'm always curious if I missed something or put too much weight on others. Thank you for the great content.
Would like to see the 100 yard load developement. Cheers & merry christmas!
Im particularly interested in this series of videos as im just breaking in a new dasher. 👍🏼
Love your stuff Keith..
Thank you .
I would really much like to see the 100 yard load dev and a more detail in the seating depth testing, also elaborate more on how to choose where you want to be in the powder node
100yard load development would be great, because that is the range which is easily accessible for me.
It would be great to see a video like this!
Thanks Keith. Yes please.
FWIW, I did "load development" at 1000 yards and called it quits, when I shot Full-bore.
Pig hunting rifles were tested at 100 yards, which was about a maximum range.
100 meter load development - YES PLEASE Show us the way
I'd like to see the 100 yard development. Honestly, anything you make or do is cool with me.
I would love to see how you would load for for “normal” guns like an AR10/AR15 in things like 6.5 creedmoor, 308 Winchester, 300 Blackout and 223 Remington at 100 yards as it is what I shoot a ton. Would love to hear what you think about progressive machines too like the Dillon Xl750 or the RL1100 as that is what I use. I have been reloading now for 4 years and am now getting curious about the accuracy side of it while still pumping out volume. Thanks for the content!
100 yds please, very imformative vids
I appreciate your insight and videos. I would appreciate a deeper dive into the whole statistical sample size/confidence interval for load development. Besides simply increasing our sample sizes to 10-20, can we confidently say there are seating depth nodes and velocity nodes?
It would be great if you can do 100m load dev video....I only have 100m and 200m range available which makes ladder testing "impossible"
love you channel thank you
I’m interested in load development at 100 yards. Thanks!
Yes please
Yes please for 100yd load development
I would love to see the 100m process. I agree it will be entertaining.
I'd be interested in seeing more detail on how to find the right powder charge prior to playing with seating depth. Is it really just a matter of going as close as possible to max pressure?
I would like to see 100 yard load development as well.
I would back down to 850ms max. Low recoil and spotting misses/plate tilt is the name of the game. Unless you are Morgun, it really makes things easier.
Yes i would like to see load development at 100 and i would also like to see it for more of a varnint gun. A 204 ruger, 20 practical, 22 creed, or similar. Everything is prs, elr, f class, or benchrest on UA-cam.
Agree… load development at 100 would be good to see, since that it all I have available.
I'm interested to see the differences. I thought it would be the same process though.
Love to see a 100 yard load development
Yes, 100 yard testing. That's the only distance for testing that I have available.
Yes
Testing at 100 is very important, as sometimes the wind can be too gusty for proper long range development.
I'd personally love to see 100 yard load development
YES!!!!!!!!!
Would love to see 100 yard development
Considering I can only get to a 100 yard range on anything close to a regular basis, I would love to see a video on load development done at 100 yards.
I learn more when I watch people do things that I don't, so I say carry on at 600 yards.
Would love to see load development at 100 yards. Also would love to hear your comments about when you’re doing the load development on the new barrel. I.e. how many rounds do you shoot through the barrel before starting load development?
Do the 100 yard development!!!
Would also like to see your take on the videos from hornady saying that you.only.really.get to see group sizes for significantly higher shot counts - would love you to compare your seating group tests for 5 rounds and 20 rounds to see if they make sense
Factory ammo😱! How do you sleep at night?
😂
I'd like to see the Audette ocw explained at length in excruciating detail.
What are your thoughts on fire forming new brass and changing your recipe to shoot out of fired vs unaired brass? Is there a big difference?
I would really like to see it done at 100 yards since that's the only distance I ever do load work at. Once done the distance confirming begins to verify the load. Mainly because I'm a hunter I guess.
Love your videos! What software and hardware, assuming it is more than just software, do you use that allows you to show your plotted points of impact?
Hello, I really like the way you approch the "best load" on PRS.
How do you decide the bullet seating depth on the initial test (in Germany the saying goes: to be precise start off with 0.1mm back from the lands, and then go on for seating depth with the best load).
What is your choise?
Also I see 8 shots on each testing roung (you made 5 rounds with different loads?). You mention the loads 32.0 - 32.2 - 32.4 - 32.6 - 32.8 and 33.0 (which make 6 ). How does that fit tiogether? Or better What was in the load #1, #2 - #8? Or do I misinterpret that?
Best regards, Jesper
Yes, show some 100 yard work, perhaps even comparing what you just did at 600 yards.
Yes please at 100 as that's the only practice range I have access to
I'd like to see a video where you start with 50 pieces of brass, 100 (1 box) bullets and an appropriate powder, and develop a "hunting" load... say 2" 3 shot group at 200 yards and still have 20-25 bullets left to load for actual use ;) anything in the .308 family/ case size/ for deer sized game..
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I fired 22 rounds, and have a 4.25" group at 600 yards... Those Barnes bullets are like magic in my rifle. It's a 308 to boot!
Yes. Definitely. I only have access to 100m so that would be perfect.
When doing powder charge first do you have a regular seating depth you keep uniform for the test until it comes time to do seating depth after you find the correct charge?
It would be awesome if you make video about load development on 100 yards :)
Beginner Reloader here: (maybe stupid question but):
I want to reload .308 with ttsx 150 grain and vitha n135. Hunting ,200m max range , fast but accurate.
Reloaddata recommend 39.4 grain max load, expirienced friend recommend 42 grain from quickload.
Dont understand the difference. He says Reloaddata are way understated.
I am insecure now where i shut Start and End with my powdercharge.
Another vote for load development at 100 yards. When you do seating depth testing were you making 0.006" steps?
Definitely interested in your 100 yard load development methodology. What type of external trigger are you using with the LabRadar @ the 2:30-2:40 timeframe??
Yes Please do it at 100 yrds
Hey Keith, maybe I missed it and some of your videos are maybe even this video. When you do the powder charge test do you shoot one shot from each powder charge round robin style aiming at the same spot? Also I am shooting burger VLD hunting bullets. Would you start 15 in the lands while doing the powder charge test with these bullets? Thanks for your knowledge
I typically run VLDs 10 into the lands. Yes, at 600 yards, I do a round robin of powder charges and see where they land reference each other, but I do the entire series at least 3 times to see if the result is consistent from one series to the next.
What software are you using that graphs and gives bullet groupings per load?
So much easier to read the target doing load development at 600yds or greater. However not everyone has a 600yd range so why not. I'm sure something can be learned
Very interested in the 100m
Another vote for 100/200 yards
Is that a Foundation stock I see in the video? That is my choice. 100 yard would be nice.
Yes, yes it is...
What is that powder trickler please?
100 yards, please and thank you Sir.
600YDS isn’t available to me, so 1-2-or300yds would be fine for me and appreciated. Thanks.
Keith,
which Zeiss scope are you using?
That is an LRP S3 6-36. Stay tuned, it’s going to make another appearance on a different rifle…
do you lube necks before seating bullets
Not for PRS
Yes, 100 yd load development
Do you believe in Dave Tubb's lapping system? You know what I'm talking about?
Hey im still new to reloading and stuff and i got a question, why do you choose 32.4 and 32.6 when number 2 grouping is tighter?
Because 2 was isolated, leaving little room for error either side.
@@winninginthewind im sorry but what do you mean by isolated?
Adjacent charges did not group with it consistently and they also showed tendencies to make bigger overall groups.
@@winninginthewind what is the example of those said tendencies?
#1 had 2 significant low impacts, and #3 had a high hit. Those are suggestive of an unstable condition.
please i would love to see the load development at 100 yards I am loading for nrl hunter match as i type this
100 yes. Compare vlds? High bc hunters?( probly not) flat bottoms? .ok thats off on a tangent
Only have access to 100yard range
Yes do it at 100 yards…then take that best load and see how it does at 600.
Most people run 6mm slow in PRS. Not uncommon to see people run between 2750-2850.
I personally run 6mm between 2650-2750, generally 2700.
Traveling often for PRS matches all over the country, it's safer to run slow to avoid pressure from heat, rain, and snow that you often encounter from matches all over the US.
Rain and snow (cold) push pressures up? I gotta think about that for a minute...
I think what you meant is if one tuned their load to 2700 at 50 F the velocity wouldn't drop off much in the snow and you would have some headroom in the heat. If you tuned to 2700 at 70 F you might lose 40 fps in the snow and pick up 30 fps at 100 F. I see what you are saying. You could also look at the weather forecast where you are travelling and bump your load up or down a couple of tenths of a grain, depending on your cartrige size. Most of us don't think tuning nodes are 70-80 fps wide. That's the conundrum in my mind.
Blown primers cost the #2 the win at the world championships, but man could that guy handle recoil like it was an air rifle.
Barrel length?
28"
You are quit with f class competitions?
Yes please, 100yd development. Dont suppose you'll be using OCW .