This may get me in trouble... (Chris Stuckmann drama)
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- I have some pretty frank opinions on the Chris Stuckmann drama. Here are my thoughts. #madameweb #chrisstuckmann
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Wow thank you all for the feedback on this. I have read through all of the comments and appreciate each and everyone of them. Thank you all for sharing your opinions and keeping it civil. I love healthy debate on any video I make. Bless you all.
Your welcome I feel Lee some people on the internet can be awful.
Imagine if Gordon Ramsey said he’s not going to say anything negative about any meal from now on because cooking food is hard.
He can do whatever tf he wants. And it’s understandable that people are disappointed.
I couldn't disagree with Drumdums more on movies like Halloween Ends but damn... I still love the reviews and appreciate hearing opposite opinions.
This is a very fair take on the whole thing.
When Chris initially announced that he would no longer critique films, I just said, okay this channel probably isn't for me any more. I didn't unsub or anything, I just watched probably 70% less of his content only for the fact that if he posted a video I knew he at least liked the film. It killed the mystery and intrigue of the review, imo.
You're right though about the piling on thing. You really put it in context, at the end of the day, it's just a movie review.
Good stuff as always brother.
Same here. I really liked Chris's content. I still remember his fant4stic review, how blunt he was.
You’re part of the problem then. Unsub from his channel so he realizes what a mistake he made. I unsubbed from him last year after the little mermaid review. Dudes gone woke, sad.
Being a movie critic and refusing to critique a film is just bad form. I've followed Chris for years and have bo need to bash him, but I won't watch his videos from here on out. His channel has been on the decline for a while and is full on being sacrificed to appease Hollywood. No hate or drama, just is what it is.
Like James Rolfe and ghostbusters 2016
@inere James Rolfe main gig was never being a film critic. He occasionally reviewed a contemporary film on his channel, he never considered himself a film critic. Huge difference with Chris Stuckmann, who only does movie reviews. If the AVGN sudden became the Happy video game nerd, people would be pissed as well, especially if he does it because he´s afraid of the video game industry
Remember when James Rolfe (Angry Video Game Nerd) kinda did this same thing with Ghostbusters 2016? He said it perfect, Why pay to see something you know that's going to be trash. He got some backlash but I can't remember if it was real bad?
The Hilariocity review for Jaws 4 is my favorite video on UA-cam to this day. He’s such a great reviewer! But he’s entitled to change his mind, change his path… and like you said, he’s just human. People need to calm down.
The same 💩 happened when AVGN didn't want to watch or review the female Ghostbusters movie.
As it should. Stop trying to female/blackwash everything and maybe it wouldn’t get so much hate.
it was really bad & i don't blame him.
Why watch a movie that you already know it's gonna be bad? So you can cash in along with all the other thousands of videos that will do the same?
No lie, I turned off Chris’ video after 5 minutes. I don’t need to spam him with hate because “I’m an adult” and “why?”. I just knew after 5 minutes, the video didn’t interest me.
I don’t think criticism is hate. Everyone in the comments was respectful, they just spoke their minds. That’s not hate.
@Las645 there was quite a bit of hating going on in his comments that I read and you could tell that most of them either didn't watch the whole video or had no idea that he was no longer is a movie critic.
@@Las645 Exactly, I don't like this safe space mindset that nobody should ever criticize anyone. Some people go way overboard but some of the criticism towards Chris is fair game.
@@Las645dig a little deeper and look at all the videos made about it. Lots of people were slamming him in their own videos. Not just comments on his video and Channel
We’re not going to compel expression and speech because of a few people. Sorry not sorry.
People like to piss and complain online.I watch Stuckmann and this channel and many others for entertainment. That's it... If the worst thing I come across over the course of my day is a review I don't agree with it's been a good day....
Chris is not giving them the violent hatred that they want from every UA-camr. 😢
Not defending the over-the-top hate but I think some of the criticism is fair game. Cody Leach and Adam Does the Movies pretty much say how I feel about it, Chris has said somethings that come off as being a little too far up his own a@@. Also, Chris said that he only wants to focus on the positive for the last couple of years but he's negative towards the studio in that video. It just feels like my man, which is it? you won't give bad reviews towards movies, and you won't criticize filmmakers or actors, but you will bash studios. He can do whatever with his channel but it's just weird to not really pick a lane,
I hate to say it but Chris stuckman has basically lost his way and honestly I basically stopped watching his videos a very long time ago sadly.
i agree. He used to have great reviews. But now that he is trying to make a movie, he doesnt want to offend anyone. This is why I love this channel more now!
Yeah same here too I stopped watching his videos because he doesn’t give movies grading anymore and he is so soft now these days and I just can’t take him seriously 😒 and I just don’t care about his new film Shelby Oaks I could care less about his career now unfortunately
@@DevilFan669 I can understand that and honestly I do wish him luck with his new movie and I do hope is good because that’s his passion and I respect that. However that being said though as for him not criticizing bad movies anymore that just seems I don’t sad and depressing in my opinion.
There are a handful of channels I go to to determine whether or not I should see a film, maybe 4 or 5, and you're one of those channels. I watched Out of Darkness based on your rec and my girl and me had an awesome night at the movies.
Yeah im the same way. I got a person for each type of movie. Sci-fi and horror I'll listen to Lee. Even if he can't say Harkonnen right(,lol.. had to bust his balls )
Best thing i done in a long time is stop watching reviewers, and just go with it and enjoy what i enjoy. I would recomend it.
@@peternystrom921 sometimes it good to hear if someone thinks something is good or bad as long as there is an explanation
the fact that this is a drama is fucking pathetic
people think everything needs to be in their favor
People need to think for themselves more than ever especially these days…
I almost envy Chris. He makes one video and the whole internet reacts to it. That’s UA-cam power right there.
Yeah, let's take a good look at that...
It's really not
He had a bad take and people held his feet to the fire on it. It’s not the W you think it is
@@proudsaiyanprince2651 Not really his take was the movie wasn't that good and its not
@@RedRider763 exactly, people are mad because he didn’t pander to the hate, but also can comprehend that he has the right to make the videos he wants to. He doesn’t owe strangers anything. It’s been wild seeing how butthurt people have gotten over this whole “situation”.
I think most of it was overblown but I think some of the criticism is fair. I've no problem with Chris no longer being a movie critic but he comes off as pretentious when he does say things like I don't grade movies or give negative reviews anymore because I respect filmmakers and I love movies too much. That is bulls@it, that is acting like above it all and I'm not into that safe space mindset which has made America softer. Again, no problem with him not wanting to do it anymore but giving a movie a bad review doesn't make someone less of a film lover. Also, he said that he wants to focus on the positive on his channel and not focus on the negative but he's negative towards the studio in that video. My question to Chris if I saw him face to face would be which is it?
Yeah Stuckmann doesn't really deserve this kind of pile-on he's getting.
The fact is, he's been completely transparent about what his channel is the past few years. HE IS NO LONGER A CRITIC. He doesn't claim to be one, and he doesn't want to be one.
To me, this makes his channel just kind of unwatchable now. I'm no longer really a fan of his content and hardly ever watch it because of that reason. But so much of the hate he's getting is from people who are under the impression that Stuckmann still considers himself and his channel to be a movie review/movie critic channel when it just simply isn't. And everyone is acting like there's this big gotcha by pointing out why he's refused to critique movies; as if he himself hasn't transparently outlined the exact reasons why he doesn't want to do it anymore. You can disagree, but you're essentially disagreeing with something that he said like 2 years ago and you're just late to the party now because you're upset he's not dog-piling on Madame Webb the way you wanted him to.
Great post, my exact views on the whole thing. 👏🏻👏🏻
I agree with everything here except that his channel is unwatchable now. All the other points made I agree with. His positive reviews are basically the same high quality reviews he’s always given. He just no longer assigns a score and no longer does negative reviews. That’s not a big deal. I’ll just kind of assume if a movie is getting panned pretty much universally by most other critics and Chris doesn’t put a review up, then he probably didn’t like it-no biggie. There are probably 1,000 other channels I can watch if I want to hear the negative reviews for said movie.
This is the first I've heard it. I moved on from Chris when he said he would no longer criticize a movie because he wanted to get into the biz. I mentally wished him the best and moved on to reviewers who will be honest with their reviews without fear of upsetting the industry.
He wasn't defending Madame Webb at all. It was the catalyst of him letting out his thoughts on why movies turn to crap and that it's not always the fault of the director or actors.
Exactly! He neither defended nor attacked it, but provided insight on what often happens regarding studio movies! He NEVER said this is what DEFINITELY happened with Madam Web, just what he suspects, to some level or another, might have happened…and what he suspects DOES happen fairly often, with studio movies. That lack of nuance the people with the fake outrage have is baffling!
Go watch Cody leach
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
@@nevertellmetheodds9869, I watched Cody Leach’s video on this subject, and although Cody Leach wasn’t harsh on Chris and even defended certain things, I do disagree with him on the things he criticized about Chris. I disagree about Chris’s video not telling people anything they didn’t already know. A lot of people DON’T know or realize that sometimes studios interfere with artistic vision. Cody might think it’s common knowledge because he himself is a movie critic, but not everyone who goes to reviews are neck deep into the in’s and out’s of Hollywood behind the scenes. And I disagree that Chris was acting holier than thou just because he said he didn’t want to bash movies. In no way, shape, or form does that translate to him saying every negative review is a bashing of a particular movie. He doesn’t want to give negative reviews, and he especially doesn’t want to bash movies, two separate things but bashing is taking that negative review and basically going one step further-being nasty about it.
@@aaronclick6388 Cody and Adam Does the movies nailed it, they are not criticizing Chris for not wanting to be a movie critic anymore but Chris saying that he doesn't want to grade movies or give bad reviews anymore because he respects filmmakers and loves movies too much comes off as being too far up his own a$$. Giving a bad review doesn't make you less of a movie lover in general. Also, Chris was being negative towards the studio in that video, but he has said that he only wants to focus on the positive for the last couple of years. Not defending the crazy over the top hate but some of the criticism is fair.
Think this was the straw that broke the camel's back as far as people waiting for the goahead to take shots at Stuckmann. The catalyst was initially not reviewing Sound of Freedom.
You have one of my favorite channels. I look forward to your reviews. Don't ever change!⚡
Glad to see a positive video about the situation thanks for sharing!
Stuckmann can do whatever he wants in his channel. Now, that being said, it's clear that his change is due to him wanting to be part of Hollywood, so he is afraid of closing possible doors in the film industry which is kinda pathetic but that's just my opinion.
how do you people think like this and make crazy assumptions jesus
Yep Chris Stuckman does his own choice
Its clear because he said it. And he has stated from the beginning that his ultimate goal was to make his own movie. Re: his indiana jones home film. He just used criticism as a means to get there. You gotta get your foot in the door somehow.
@@TOM-ro7rtHow is this a crazy assumption ?
Why is it pathetic though? You say that but don’t give an explanation lol
I like Chris, and you're right it's his channel he can do what he wants, but people can say whatever they want in the comments that's how this works and the notion that you can't critique the critiquer is ridiculous. He didn't review the movie. He had a semi clickbait thumbnail and title. He spent the whole time talking about studio interference that's nothing new. Everyone knows that's a thing. He made the video cause he had a sponsor, and he knew it would get views. He was playing the UA-cam game.
Alright, listen, the comment about him endorsing "Better Help" is spot on.
It's not, Better Help has been outed multiple times from high profile content creators as a complete joke of a service that sells your data for profit. Stuckmann is almost definitely aware of this, but he has about as much integrity as a fox in a chicken coop.
I’m disappointed in the critical drinker in reacting to his video with other grown adults, criticizing, or making a joke out of him every few seconds, it really got old I just do not understand or comprehend the point of it doing it multiple times? Chris is not attacking anyone besides being honest of how he feels. But a lot of people have hated Chris for many years for their own reasons. This is just an excuse to spread more hatred on him. 😖
The problem I have with this whole thing is that myself and others feel like he tricked people with clickbait. I thought he was going to finally start criticize movies again and start with Madam Web. Nope, he has right to do whatever he wants with his channel, but people have a right to not be tricked into watching something and it turns out to be completely different! If was really serious about all this, he would delete all the negative reviews off his channel so he wouldn't make any money off them. But he won't do it. Gotta keep that cash coming in! the whole thing feels scummy and like a scam to me. He is acting holier than though, but still make money off those negative reviews. That's why people are upset
Seems like a weak-minded reason to attack someone. “oH nO i GoT cLiCkbAiTeD DuRrRr iM gOiNg tO sAy a BuNcH oF mEaN sHiT nOw dUrRrRR”. Grow tf up 😂
Touch grass
I still check out his content from time to time. He's one of the few ones out there who talks about mainstream & none mainstream content. Animes, indie films, blockbusters etc. Agree with your thoughts! Stuff like this make Perfect blue 1997 more relevant. Oshi no Ko is also another great example. It also happens alot with other celebrities, especially Idols.
Great video man ! World would be boring if all agreed or have the same movie opinions....Keep up the great work !
No idea who Stuckman is, I only watch you and Cody Leach. But if he's only doing positive reviews there's no point in watching. The presumption will be he's going to approve it. Leaves no room for conjecture or debate.
Don't know who Stuckman is?
Were you living in N Korea for the past 12 years.
youtube can be a strange world. I simply wanted to get some Madame Web reviews. I was watching Chris among others. When I saw Chris wasn't really reviewing in the traditional sense, I moved on. No harm, no foul. and then HOLY CRAP...all of this drama..over his innocuous comments. People..get lives..the man was just expressing his thoughts. sheeesh. Drumdums rocks for keeping it simply real.
It’s not about what he did. It’s about why he’s doing it and the fact that he’s lying about it. He’s also throwing every movie critic under the bus. He’s also insulting every viewer of traditional movie critics.
Never forget, he thought The Force Awakens was "decent" movie.
Stuckman is a decent guy. I support him .
+1
I do as well!
them haters aka keyboard warriors need to chill just sayin... and 1 guy was able to point out that Chris actually said how bad the movie was by not saying how bad it was.
Yeah, I believe he was a decent guy before he got 1 million subscribers and started lying to us viewers about content so he can make money. Sorry, but you also don’t see me leaving hateful comments in his comment section. I’m supporting people like Lee, who actually deserve my support.
@@TheDreamingInsomniacs I followed him since his early days and was a nice guy to speak with on Facebook. I am skeptical how his feature debut would be because his original short film Notes From Melanie was meh at best.
I don’t watch chris much these days but I specifically clicked on his vid bc i was curious what he had to say knowing he only reviews movies he likes and I totally understood where he was coming from and it made sense. Similar issues exist in my field which has nothing to do with movies. I thought it was interesting and kept it moving. Didn’t realize him defending creative people would get twisted 🤦🏾♀️
You sir...are very intelligent and logically grounded. Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
I think people didn't get Chris, he wasn't defending the movie, just defending all the victims related to it and echoing what we all think about the current situation, studios and now AI writing are killing the industry. Bth thnks for your balanced review
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
Not sure if you watched Adam Does the movies talk about Chris, but I agree with him. He's not defending the crazy side that just wants to hate Chris, but he criticizes Chris on somethings, and I think it's fair. Most people have zero problem with Chris no longer wanting to be a movie critic but it's a little eye rolling when he has said things like I don't grade movies or give bad reviews anymore because I respect filmmakers and love movies too much. We get it, you've to kiss Hollywood as$ but don't BS us with this pretentious nonsense. I don't really get the point of his Madame Web video if he wants to just be a positive movie channel and he didn't say anything that we didn't already know about Hollywood studios.
I agree with Adam’s take. He wasn’t being nasty about it. That’s what I’m referring to in this video. Does that cross the line and are just downright ugly and hateful. There’s plenty that gave a fair and balanced opinion on the matter, and there’s nothing wrong with that.
The whole Chris Stuckmann thing was weird for me because i used to watch his channel a lot, and I stopped because the videos just weren't that interesting to me anymore but it wasnt even the lack of negativity, his energy just seemed different overall and I found myself tuning out watching them. This entire thing blowing up surprised me because I didn't realize it was a whole thing because my opinion was like, ok well he's just a dude whose life is changing a lot and has shifted gears, the channel just isn't really for me anymore, no big deal, I wish him well. Do I miss him making content I enjoy? Sure. Do I think he or any other youtuber or person/artist in general owes it to me or to anyone to keep doing the same thing forever if they don't want to? Absolutely not, that's absurd. I'm tired of the way people feel entitled to just draining the blood out of others for entertainment. Looking around at where society is, that mentality is not doing any good for us. Thanks for your humanity and your take on this
same
To be honest with you, the reason why we started doing UA-cam in the first place was because of Chris Stuckmann in the early days. Ever since he hit 1 million subscribers, he has been different. Lying to his audience about films & video games because the studios are paying him to speak highly of those things even if they’re flat out broken like the new Spider-Man game for PS5, which he lied, and said, is a perfect video game with no clipping, which absolutely isn’t true, I have the game. I just spent 40 hours playing it, and I know for a fact that it’s loaded with glitches and clipping.. so I don’t really care for the drama given that I haven’t watched his channel in years aside from the curiosity of what review he gave Spider-Man 2 for PS5. I feel like this whole thing wouldn’t be as big of a deal, if Sony wasn’t giving his channel money and products. Back in 2014, around the Sony leaks, Stuckmann had nothing nice to say about Sony. Unfortunately, money talks, and BS gets pedaled. That’s why I choose your channel over his every time, Lee. You didn’t sell out like he did, but you also don’t see me going over to his channel & spamming him in the comments like those people. Stuckmann doesn’t respond to his comments anyways, EVER, (also a HUGE red flag, even before he was hella big) so why does anyone even try with him? It’s not worth it anymore, he’s not a wholesome creator anymore like you or I Lee. He gave that up for money. As for all the people that are hopping into Chris’s comment section saying hateful things cut the crap, I got problems with the guy too, but you don’t see me doing that. My piece is said.. - Joseph O. Motte Lead Singer Co-Founder & Audio Engineer of The Dreaming Insomniacs
When I watched his video, I got the impression he felt pity for the filmmakers who were given basically a thankless studio task. So the criticism was less at them and more at Sony, who don't seem to care about the content they're churning out beyond marketability.
I don't blame him for that perspective, I feel similarly after watching (and loathing) all these Spider-adjacent projects.
I agree with this 100%. I honestly don't see what the issue was with Chris' video. He was bashing Sony instead of the filmmakers
Well, to use Chris’s logic, he shouldn’t criticize Producers because he’s never done that job.
@@gravesidepoet5405 no
I agree I’d liked Venom though
Great vid Lee. I unsubscribed from his channel the day he made a video where he told us(his audience at the time) what he plans to do… although I unsubscribed from his channel and don’t watch his vids anymore, he was completely honest on where he was taking his channel, and I respect his decision, just don’t want to watch his vids anymore if he is going to hold off criticism because of his personal reasons… I think he got too big amount of hate over his personal life decisions. however, he is the first movie UA-camr I ever saw and he paved the way to the three movie UA-camrs I still watch(Sean Chandler, Cody Leach and specially Drumdums) so that’s good.
I did the exact same thing too I also unsubscribe to his channel too bro 😎 and I don’t care about him anymore and he is so soft now these days too and I just can’t take him seriously 😐 anymore lol 😂 but that’s just me though bro in my opinions too
@@DevilFan669you say “yeah bro I unsubscribed from that guy too😎” like it’s some kind of flex. Like yeah, real big balls on you dude. You really showed him lol
I watched his whole video. Unfortunately we live in a culture that loves to spew hate. If he’s not hating on the film and people cant agree with him then they just spew hate towards him. I agree we are all human and entitled to what we want to do. But everything is so negative right now people don’t like other people. Especially if someone happens to have a different opinion than them. It’s a sad time to be alive.
He does have the wrong opinions tho
And people still say Halloween Kills is unrealistic.
No, it's uber realistic.
Chanting Evil Dies Tonight while lynching some poor dude for his video is a wet dream of most online haters haha
I saw Madame Web on my B day (25th of Feb) WHY?
Cos EVERYONE is hating on the movie and I want to go cos 1. It's a Marvel movie, 2. I want to judge it FOR MYSELF!
And U know what? I loved it alot tbh. I'm not even kidding, I would like to watch again someday. F The Haters.
Chris and Lee, Love both u guys. Don't let the Sad little people and Haters bring u down.
This isn't necessarily my view but to play 'devil's advocate': I think it can be safely said that many people don't like what they view as a 'schill' or 'sell-out' or someone they think has crossed a threshold into corporate self service, right? Thar sort of mindset has always been a part of humanity's tendency suite. I can reason that Chris's refusal to treat "Madame Web" 'appropriately' perhaps felt like a flavor of betrayal - That it was a sign that "we're losing another good one to the money dangling behemoth'. The severity of responses (some) have prompted me to think it's deeper than a simple disagreement of opinion about some shitty movie - as if Chris were signaling that he'd spare the rod if the cash is green... Just an argument I could imagine being made.
Personally I think you're overreacting a little bit. Chris gave his opinion and as a public figure giving movie reviews, he is open to criticism. I think as long as you are not being cruel in your comments, there is nothing wrong with speaking your opinion. I'm sure Chris could give two shi*ts about what other people say... He's been doing this awhile. Just be civil... but we all have the right to our opinion, just like you in this video
I would make a fuss for you DumDrum your thoughts matter to me my man. From one dad who loves movies to another keep doing your thang
Hey Lee, just wondering what your thoughts are on a 90s film called ‘The Crow’ ?
It's kind of ironic that he created a product and is getting feedback on it like the moviemakers and studios do. Feedback he doesn't want to give any more. It's his channel to do what he wants but also his viewers right to not like what he is doing. Some take it too far but I think at least initially people were responding to a feeling of phoniness especially with how clickbaity the video was . His content isn't for me because I'm interested in film criticism but to each their own
I think some people don't like him because he likes Roger Ebert because Roger Ebert is the worst film critic ever but yeah I understand I've been treated like crap for liking a movie people hate people take movies too seriously I ignore the cartoon things and the annoying characters and complicated timelines and plots that's why I like so many movie sequels that people hate like for example Terminator 3 Star Trek generations Saw the Final Chapter Halloween 3 Halloween ends Terminator Genisys and the movie that I liked that I was treated like crap for was Scream 6
I love your channel man, but the best thing i done in a long time is stop watching "Reviewers" and it helped me enjoy the things i enjoy more then before.
So i gues, i only see Reviewers as entertainment, nothing more.
Tbf the comments in the video I never really saw hate but criticizing his decision to not give out an honest review and people were just calling him out on it. Him saying he won't "bash movies" anymore feels kind of ingenuine and seems convenient due to the fact he has a movie coming out he directed and people are going to review it, it feels like a way to soften the blow if its a bad movie.
I don't follow his reviews enough to know if he actually "bashes" movies in the past but if you have a negative opinion and you back up why you thought it was bad and didn't like it, you aren't bashing a movie, you're fairly critiquing it.
Anyway I have several times not agreed with your opinions on things drumdums but always respected your opinion cause you always backed up why you didn't like something or liked did something.
Who really, truly gives a shit? (This is going to be long but whateva, you touch on and focus on the actual topics that should be taken more seriously in a situation like this).
Great discussion from ya and in the comments. You are absolutely correct about all of us not agreeing with everything that, well, anyone on the planet does.
A major thing that keeps doing this and discussing horror, or anything in general, interesting is the fact that we all have different likes, dislikes, beliefs, backgrounds, opinions, etc.
I have a ton of unpopular movie opinions. Even friends and those who follow my channel faithfully (and more often than not share those same hot takes) there is 1000% always a ton of disagreements on other movies, or any topic in general.
It makes for interesting discussions that we'd never have as the community of horror fanatics we are if we agreed 💯 about every aspect of every goddamn film ever made.
All of this should sounds like (and is) common sense and shouldnt shock a single soul on earth...Then you mention the gang up/vigilante mob mentality. That right there (and those who can't help but feed that negativity towards, well, most things in life) is the only part of this truly does matter.
Like you said, we're all human despite our backgrounds, location, how we were raised, grew up, and the trillion other variables that are unique to each human beings life that no one else could ever understand completely...as we aren't them.
So hearing how much shit Stuckman is getting is the only and truly sad part about all of this stupid drama. Thats when people can get hurt, and agree completely mental health can crush people if things push them to their limit. No one deserves that. Especially when we're all here to talk about fucking movies 😂 there is so much more important stuff in life.
Besides that, I myself couldn't care less about all of it. I never liked Chris's content. Im sure he's a good person with good intentions. His style just never did anything for me, his personality is just not remotely close to the kinds i'd usually associate with or more importantly get along with etc.
Turned me off to his channel as soon as I i first saw a few videos from him forever ago. If he stopped his channel right this second and I never heard his name again, it wouldnt affect my life in the absolute slightest.
Having said that, he deserves common decency and respect just like anybody else. As you said, & i say this often myself:
It's my channel & I'll say and talk about whatever the fuck i want. If someone doesn't care for my content, personality, opinions, or otherwise, don't come back. And that is meant in the nicest and brutally honest way possible. It just isn't for everyone, and thats totally fine. Same as any other channel.
Which leads full circle back to the most and only important things here about any of this stupid drama. All of us being blessed with having differing thoughts and likes makes the world go round. And the most important:
Even if you don't care for someone or their opinions, don't be a dick, or take the safe side of drama where you feel the illusion of safety in numbers when those people should really think for themselves, realize who gives a shit and moves on with their lives.
Whether Chris truly just means whatever he said regarding not wanting to bad mouth or tear movies apart, or there are other agenda's, and again, i couldn't care less, wish him the best with whatever he chooses to do, and bam. End of controversy, everyone can stop arguing over it now 😎
Just remember everyone, we are all human and all have our flaws, things we excel at, and more. Whether you may agree or disagree with someone's decisions or stance on any topic...
Just be a reasonable person who uses common sense. Bombarding anybody with negative or downright hateful comments is absolutely going to hurt no matter who you are. When you have that many people doing it together in a "get him!"-mob mentality, thats when things can get serious and God forbid, someone gets hurt in any way, be it mentally physically, existentially. Everyone has a breaking point and no one deserves a fraction of the hateful comments he must be getting...
...And we're just here to talk movies 😂 and share our passion for it with others. From how this drama is, you would think he's got to be a politician or something similar. He's a guy just sharing his passion for what he loves and talking about movies.
I can almost guarantee everyone is going to be just fine no matter what he decides to do with his channel. Stick with him if you support him, or don't watch if it doesn't click with you anymore or the way it used to. No matter his choice of direction.
Having said ALL of that, again, I never cared for him nor with a single fiber if my being what he does. If Chris wants to move to Thailand and live in a monastery and quit UA-cam completely, good for him, go do it.
Five minutes typing is the most investment into any of this, and mostly just because mental health, bullying, hating just to hate, or people who literally get off on hating on others..are all very serious subjects many dont even think of, especially when it's all over drama over a fucking UA-cam channel. I don't care if he was the Pope or the President, he's just another person. People just need to be more self aware of the fact that jumping on the hate bandwagon can often lead to all the more serious topics you touched on and i did here.
Great discussion on something i have no real care for though 😂 as you focused on what is actually important and worth even talking about.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
In my humble opinion, these are just movies people, don't take it so hard
People have too much time on their hands to talk crap about other people. Stuckman did not do anything wrong.
I think rob zombie said it better when he did both the Halloween movies...they kept making him copy his 1st Halloween movie when he was making Halloween 2...even though they hated his first Halloween movie...💀
👏 100% agree with you! It’s just a movie. No need to trash the guy .
Some people need to take a shower, hit the gym and get a clue. It's not that serious.
People have the right to critique UA-cam channels, just like movie reviewers have the right to critique movies. Saying "Oh Chris Stuckmann can do whatever he wants with his channel", well duh. Just like any film studio can make whatever film they want to make. But the critics can also say whatever they want about it. And yes, critique should be civilized, but I doubt Stuckman is getting death threats for this
BINGO, Chris said that he respects filmmakers and loves movies too much to grade movies or give bad reviews anymore. That is what people are calling out as BS.
Well said. There’s no accountability for what is said on the internet. 75% of those people would never have the guts to say any of that to his face.
To Chris Stuckmann?! He's a shill nerd movie critic, not Mike Tyson- pretty sure a lot of people would say it to his face
@@waltbbadd wasn’t insinuating that he’d kick someone’s ass over a comment, just that people don’t usually have the balls to act as they do in person verses how you are acting behind a keyboard at this moment. Would you call a stranger a “shill nerd” face to face? Doubt it. If so, you must be an absolute thrill to be around.
Logan- yes, I would call Chris Stuckmann a shill nerd to his face. Don't be intimidated by his little nerd tats and black t-shirt- rise above! I know you can do it! Peace, god bless@@logandumont
@@waltbbadd Easy there tough guy, save some pussy for the rest of us 👌🏼
Agreed, people do not tend to act in real life how they do in comment sections...and thank god for that.
The whole "controversy" is fucking stupid and overblown to me. I saw the film and it was beyond horrible, he was right to call out SONY and not the film makers. By destroying SONY he is trashing Madame Web. I don't understand how people are missing that. I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS HERE!
Why blame Sony? The director of Madame Web said she made the movie she wanted.
@@sacredbeastzenon do u know how Hollywood works? U say what they want u to say to the press in order to keep being employed.
Amen Lee, Amen! These days people seem to think all is fair in love, war and online trolling! You made a crucial point that many of us forgot. People in the public eye are still people and mental health is a huge factor here. Well said brother!
I'm fine with him not wanting to criticize movies anymore as it is his choice/channel, but I can't help but feel his holier than thou attitude when it came to not reviewing Madame Web was insufferable. On the one hand, I get not being totally negative on a film and there are legitimately a few who do grasp at straws to find anything nitpicky to scrutinize. However, at the same time, if you simply say that a film director's movie is good and nothing else, the director will not improve. Like I am not saying that you should completely dog on the director, but criticism is meant to be good as it helps the person identify where they went wrong with the film and what they could do for the next one. Remember how critics disliked the original design for Sonic and later they went back and made a more appealing version and the films are well-liked as a result? That is healthy criticism.
Yeah, sure, sometimes studios do have an effect on how a movie is done, but by saying that it is completely out of the hands from the director is disingenuous. Like I know they are putting effort into their film, but that at most makes them ambitious, but they could still fail to meet their vision.
The people attacking Chris are likely the people that bitch about "cancel culture" the most. SMFH
I hear no one wanting to cancel Chris. Negative feedback doesn't mean the same as wanting to destroy someone's career
@@chasrn64 Every video by every content creator receives "negative feedback". If you can't tell the difference between the Madam Web situation and a billion other video's comment sections then I don't know what tell you.
Who is trying to cancel Chris or remove him off UA-cam? Chris has the right to say his piece, but people can disagree and bash him.
'.@-1994 How is that different than cancelling?Cancelling is a pile on by people who feign outrage over something that they don't particularly care about because the perception is that person is not on their "team". If people truly care about a You Tuber "defending" the creatives who partook in making a movie that they hate (although based upon box office--never saw) they have too much free time on their hands and should go learn crypto or something that will better their lives.
@@scottjustin9800 LOL I don't think you understand what cancelling someone really means. I'll say it again, nobody is trying to kick Stuckmann off UA-cam.
Coincidentally he decides to stop the critiquing portion of being a movie critic at the same time he decides to become a filmmaker.
The perception is that he wants to avoid critiques of his own film.
Agreed that he can do what he wants with his own channel, but declining to do the exact thing his channel was built on is nonsensical.
I don’t care about Chris Stuckmann anymore and I just don’t get him now these days he was always harsh on bad movies like for example Resident Evil The Final Chapter 2017 and also Dragonball Evolution 2009 too and I remember his reviews for those movies and it’s just odd he doesn’t give movies ratings anymore and he is so soft these days now and I can’t take him seriously 😒 anymore but that’s just my personal thought 💭 on Chris Stuckmann Lee brother bro 😎
I will say it again, Chris does not care about anyone but himself. The only reason he has taken the route of "no one should be bashing movies" is because when his movie comes out, he wants people to not criticize his movie. This entire change stems from when he rewrote BvS and twitter destroyed it. He changed well before he was directing Shelby Oaks.
Oh so you know him? That's cool.
@@BabysitterSkyYou don’t have to know someone to be able to read them.
I picked up on that vibe back in 2018 and unsubbed from him. Once he got big, the douche bag came out.
@@CryWolf-sm9iw u bout brought him down bro!!! LOL
@@CryWolf-sm9iw lmfao you're right. You're giving off some massive dbag vibes yourself.
Please move the mic further away or get a drink. The chamming is well distracting
My apologies. And I agree ha ha.😂
Is it possible that someone involved in his (Chris Stuckmanns) movie also has something to do with Madame Web?
This is the society we live in now. People want to attack others, and if someone refuses to join in- THEY will be attacked too.
Thanks for being level headed and compassionate
Herd mentality. Instead of standing up for what is right, those ppl stand with the crowd.
I’d argue we live in a society where people want to think, say, and act however they want, and have absolutely no push back on the matter.
We live in a free country with freedom of speech….. and all these haters with their Keyboard Courage slamming on Chris are hating on him for exercising his right. HIS RIGHT AS AN AMERICAN! Like you said Lee, he is a human being with a family. I guarantee that, all these people with the bad comments would never have the balls to say these things to his face…….they hide behind that cowardly keyboard courage. They are weak minded and, by posting these comments …… it makes them feel important. There are leaders and followers in life. Chris is a leader! So are you Lee! Y’all are about moving forward, Y’all both have class and BOTH RESERVE THE RIGHT to speak about your thoughts on a movie….. whatever those thoughts might be! Judging someone on how they choose to convey their thought is plain WRONG and CHILDISH! And mostly …… ITS UNAMERICAN BEHAVIOR to judge someone on their opinions. Opinions are always welcome , HATE is not! Long live Chris and long live Lee. And I’m proud of you for sticking up for Chris. I’m not at all surprised that you did because you’re a solid dude. But, still thought you should know that I support you in this.
bro am a big fan of you and will always support you homie!!! no matter what! your ideas and state of horror is top tier and I agree with💯💀🤙🏼🎃😈👌🏼
He also gave Spider-Man 2 a perfect review saying there’s no clipping in the video game, I just bought a PS5 and that game and I tell you there’s clipping and a lot of it! I can tell you why though: Sony was a sponsor for his Spider-Man 2 PS5 review, who also gave him a multi thousand dollar sound bar to promote in the video, so he’s working for Sony right now. That’s why he’s speaking highly of Madame web. Drama solved… I liked Chris Stuckman before he got Hella famous.
Chris's video on Madame Web was actually only "review" I saw of that film. And it was pretty clear the movie is not watching, judging by his reaction. So I don't really see the reason for this kind of outrage.
I've personally stopped dunking on movies years ago. Honest criticism is fine, but I don't need to hear you spend an hour shredding a movie. I like it when people unpack the film's behind the scenes and theory behind the decision making. Good for you for being brave and not following the pack.
People scrutinizing everything to the extreme are just horrible. But as you said, they will get back-up from their followers. It's really sad.
If he had any integrity he'd remove all his 'hilariocity' reviews. Which is him just sh*tting on older movies. But he wont, because they are his most watched vids.
I love the fact that there are UA-cam reviewers. We've talked about and agreed on certain movies and disagreed. It's an opinion. I not tooting my own horn . However, I have an insane knowledge of directors and movies. UA-cam gives me the opportunity to see how much someone knows. If they have good or bad points. Or are a schill for either side. Whether they blast something just because it's woke or because it's anti-woke. Lee you can't avoid the drama. Drama brings more subs. I dislike UA-camrs who insist they are write or steal peoples theories.
Here my two cents from this Chris Stuckmann situation: I'm agree with you because just like you said: it's his channel, if he wanna go new direction of his UA-cam channel for something different, that his prerogative. Plus, also like you say he is human, he didn't probably ask for negative feedback, all he did give his introspective about Madame Web, that all. It's wasn't his intentions to get backlash from other people.
This is a rare case whereas i disagree with you Lee. You made good points. That being said Chris can do whatever he wants on his channel. People look at you and Chris and other reviewers bc you criticism holds value to them. Film making is hard but bad film making is hard as well. Bad is subjective though. Ive seen studios put out garbage to take our hard earned money through alot of bad tactics. Clickbaiting and poor storytelling bad visuals and filming as well. You can't always blame the studio. Madame Web was a piece of garbage and the story and film making deserve criticism. Great video Lee
I don't agree with some of his points in the video. At all. Like you said, you can't blame the studio for a shitty movie. I just had a problem with the gang up mentality.
Lol everybody is talking about Chris Stuckmann now. Hilarious and wild. Glad he's finally getting the attention he deserves. Not the way I expected but still. At least he'll get some great promotion now for his upcoming film. Thanks, internet! Cheers to Chris! Never stop sharing your voice and always talk about the movies you love! Great video as always Drumdums! Keep it rocking to the heights of Valhalla, my dude!
His film will bomb. He's not smart enough to create a wonderful film.
The problem with Chris is this whole director’s aren’t to blame for bad movies is BS. He can do whatever he wants on his channel but he started off as one thing and built a following because of that but then he decides he wants to be a part of Hollywood so he decides he won’t critique anymore. His delivery also became quite flat and emotionless somewhere along the line. Now does he deserve to be destroyed for it? No. Personally I just stopped watching his channel and unsubscribed a while back. There’s no need to make a big deal about it. If you don’t like his new direction just stop watching his videos. Simple.
He used _Madame Web_ and the Sony Spider-verse as a whole as a jumping off point to discuss a *massive* issue in the current studio system. It was well written, concise, thoughtful... it was honestly a pretty solid video all around. I genuinely can't wrap my head around why people are so upset and being such douchebags about it. If you actually read the comments, it's mind-numbing, because it feels like almost none of them actually watched the video... they got 10 seconds in, realized he wasn't going to just lazily regurgitate the same "It sucks!" talking points as the thousands of other reviews, and lost their collective shit. Most of them are complaining about things that aren't even part of what he's talking about.
I can't even decide if the backlash is the result of bloodthirsty savagery or plain-old stupidity... either way, both reflect very poorly on the audiences of this platform.
Why should I get stuckmannized anymore when I know he's reviewing only movies that he likes now. And putting all the blame on the studio side is a far too easy way out. He has forgotten what build his channel. And it's not about ripping movies apart all the time. Just his opinion. Be it good, bad or meh. That's why we watch movie review YT'bers. His movie career wouldn't have changed at all with "bashing" Madame Web. Because I have not seen a single good YT review for it. Sure it's his channel and he can manage it like he wants to. But the time to get stuckmannized has just lost its appeal when it's all only good now.
And Chris will be fine, the views are still there and the clip will certainly be one of his most profitable ones for sure.
The comeback. His movie better be good. And I can only hope that because I backed it too.
I never cared for Chris Stuckman, but the crapstorm his non review created was bullcrap. It reminds me when AVGN refused to watch Ghostbusters 2016.
So far I have listen to almost every criticism about Stuckmann scandal, and non of them are seeing the bigger picture.
Yes he made a Madame Web video criticising Sony Pictures and defending the filmmaker. However, that video might hurt his career as a upcoming filmmaker. Studios have concetions and rumors spreads like wild fire these days. Let's say I high level exectuvie watched his Madame Web video. That person will make sure his movie never sees the light of day because of that video.
People are just too damn angry nowadays. That's how i react to this whole mess it's beyond daft that this is considered to be """""drama"""""
I still have no idea what the drama is; I have never watched anything from Chris Stuckmann.😂 I do agree, anyone who puts themselves out there creating a UA-cam channel can say what they want; if you don’t like it unsubscribe and stop watching. It’s funny to me that people don’t realize, negative comments help the algorithm as much as positive comments.
It reminds me of when people went crazy over avgn saying he wouldnt watch the ghostbusters movie and he ended up being right
Well, in all things, context is important...his viewers, the reason he became so big, felt like he betrayed what they assisted in making popular....then add in the flavor text, he happened: for whatever reason: to choose a movie that is....highly subjective in its message and popularity for that, And this comes on the heels of him not doing these types of reviews for a extensive period of time, defending the message and format of the film in this episode, AND he's directing his own films in which one would be incentivized to hold back/ not be as critical as they have been in the past...to his audience, as well as those he's detracted before (the other films/audiences he's similarly derided) , he has become a sellout...and as a public figure, he's going to get more than his fair share of public bashing....some would say as deserved... That is a price of the platform and having such a grandiose voice....the retort can and will be just as loud.
"slapped a little person in public" 😂
Yeah, i dont pay attention to any of this "drama" but hearing you talk about the gist of it, it really doesn't surprise me. Like, why would someone elses opinion matter so much to you? Oh right, because those people hate themselves deep down. Unfortunately. I hope Chris doesn't let any of this bother him too much.
I have been watching Chris for a while now and I enjoyed his videos. I never felt he was full on bashing a movie but he would rate them giving his good and bad points which would let me think if it was something I wanted to watch. Even if I didn’t go see it I still enjoyed hearing what he had to say.
Of course he made the shift of not doing that anymore but I still follow him.
To me, seeing all the hate he’s getting over the last two weeks have been insane and it’s amazing how easy people are quick to jump in an attack him… I think I know who the group you are talking about but there are certain channels on here that I stop listening too because these guys are super negative about everything and nasty… Their fan base is the same and I wouldn’t be surprised if half of the comments he’s getting are from their channel like attack dogs…
I get Chris didn’t want to join the bandwagon and rip Madam Web.. to me I wouldn’t even bother making the video but does he deserve two week and still going attack on him and his channel..no… you don’t like something you can unfollow or turn off the video… I’ve done it and I’m fine…I’m not walking about raging because my favorite Ytber didn’t tell me what I wanted to hear… it’s crazy…
I like Chris and thing he's a genuinely good dude on UA-cam. I just think he's somewhat compromised now, in that he's in the business and doesn't want to be shunned from working with various people in the future. I can't take his videos at face value anymore.
Chris and other review channels needs to be critical and not put a positive spin on everything. It's not authentic. Chris needs to stop making excuse or saying he won't be 'negative'. Thats ridiculous. We expect critique from the creators whether it's positive or negative. They are both worthy especially constructive criticism pointing out how to improve the flaws. That's how we navigate the world and we are allowed to like and dislike.
thanks for sharing your thoughts on this whole situation
I do see both sides but I do agree that he made it abundantly clear & obvious a few years ago that he wasn’t going to be Negative anymore & in that regard it doesn’t bother me but on the other hand he shouldn’t have talked about it at all or better yet just interview the Director or Producer otherwise he should’ve just stayed silent also there have been “My Experiences With So & So” types of videos and recently there was one a little after the drama & what I gaged about him is that he’s a puny douché with a big ego. & this is coming from a long time viewer of his I’ve watched his stuff for the upwards of a decade or longer and I recently unsubscribed altogether because I don’t really know what to make of him anymore.
Always enjoyed Chris' reviews but I don't really have to watch anymore because of his channel change, all you have to do is look at the thumbnail to know he enjoyed it.. ☕️
I knew he was going that direction if you watch his content. He didn’t wanna say anything negative at all and you could tell why. Because he wouldn’t want anyone saying bad things about a film he made. Like dude I get it. You are making a movie. Doesn’t mean Madam Web wasn’t garbage