Why Kenya And Somalia Have a Complicated Relationship

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  • Опубліковано 21 жов 2024

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  • @cabdirshidosman9649
    @cabdirshidosman9649 10 місяців тому +57

    Somalis didn't expand their presence from north, they are indigenous to where they are in Somalia,Djibouti, NFD and the Somali region/Ogaden in Ethiopia.

    • @thinkbeforeyoutype7106
      @thinkbeforeyoutype7106 4 місяці тому +4

      Exactly!

    • @momo-cchi5978
      @momo-cchi5978 2 місяці тому +2

      Nah. We were indigenous to Eastern Ethiopia and Northern Somalia, and then we expanded east and south. It was actually the British that halted Somali expansion into Central Kenya.

  • @chance258
    @chance258 5 місяців тому +19

    As a Somali, I don’t support Pan-Africanism because it is firmly against Somalia. Pan-Africanists will usually take the side of anyone opposing Somalia, yet simultaneously claiming that we are “all Africans” and should help one another. They have consistently betrayed & disappointed us. It’s clear Pan-Africanism has never had the interests of Somalia in mind.

    • @TacticalRuse
      @TacticalRuse 4 місяці тому +7

      Precisely, even though somalis have contributed massively to the african cause. We havent been treated right. InshAllah somalia position will be restored and corrected justly

    • @fathiacabdi
      @fathiacabdi 3 місяці тому +1

      I don’t blame them, look at us we are a mess and driven by tribalism and we are everywhere instead of sticking to our land 😢

  • @saalaxsm7913
    @saalaxsm7913 7 місяців тому +14

    We Somalie 🇸🇴 will never leave that area,like when we build our self we will take it back for sure, like the rest did.

    • @coyoluo
      @coyoluo 6 місяців тому

      How can you leave your own home?

    • @mkenyamzalendo4130
      @mkenyamzalendo4130 5 місяців тому +4

      Try we Kenyans we are ready to face you 😊

    • @bugazi3037
      @bugazi3037 5 місяців тому +2

      ⁠@@mkenyamzalendo4130there’s 2 million Somali in Nairobi alone plus 10 million in whole country even though our Somali government no longer interested in territorial wars but it doesn’t mean we forget about our people and territories they will always be part of our nation

    • @mkenyamzalendo4130
      @mkenyamzalendo4130 5 місяців тому

      @@bugazi3037 well you’re dumb or braindead when claiming that there are 2M somali in Nairobi, dude do you know what you’re talking about??, Nairobi has a population of 4M are you insane to say half are Somali? Somalia as a country has a total of 17M people, where do you exactly get your figures from??. Like i said your little minds of entitlement is causing chaos in Sweden and north America….

    • @JackChit-pv3dj
      @JackChit-pv3dj 4 місяці тому

      @@mkenyamzalendo4130easy work

  • @maddogbasil
    @maddogbasil 10 місяців тому +48

    This is why pan africanism will never work
    Even though somali people helped kenyans during the mao mao rebellion
    The kenyans still betrayed them and kept Colonial borders insead of freeing fellow Africans

    • @warfaa_soysoy
      @warfaa_soysoy 10 місяців тому +15

      as a kenyan i can agree with you sadly!

    • @FearlessAfrican
      @FearlessAfrican 10 місяців тому +12

      Terrible lie!. How could they help Mau Mau while still under Italian rule.

    • @ewm4266
      @ewm4266 10 місяців тому

      How the fuck did you help Kenyans during the maumau rebellion when you were under Italian rule, No pics show Somalis in Kikuyu huts..like WTF😂😂

    • @ggtl304
      @ggtl304 10 місяців тому +12

      ​@@FearlessAfricanSomalis from north east ,did help with finances, especially somali businemen from Nairobi and thika at the tym ,I think you didn't attend classes za history jamaa😂

    • @FearlessAfrican
      @FearlessAfrican 10 місяців тому +7

      @@ggtl304 Where is Somalia in this?. I thought north eastern people are Kenyans despite being ethnic Somalis. If they did they didn't do it for Somalia where they didn't live . Everytime a Kenyan speaks like he is from Somalia isolates himself from other Kenyans.

  • @HadalsameTV
    @HadalsameTV 10 місяців тому +23

    One of the many crimes commited by the colony.

    • @Canada-1958
      @Canada-1958 4 години тому +1

      @HadalsameTV JUST LIKE NFD, PALESTINE, BIAFRA, OGADEN (reserve areas given away with out any local consultationss ,referendum and considerations) are British IMPERIALIST, colonialist RACIST ANTI-BLACK ANTI-MUSLIM ANTI_Native ZIONIST GLOBALIST Excursions of Dying DECADENT and RACIST EMPIRE Games of 20th century British empire.

  • @JohnNjengaCOCO
    @JohnNjengaCOCO 10 місяців тому +11

    The best Documentary so far.

    • @ness.
      @ness.  9 місяців тому

      Thank you

  • @thomasyebei8540
    @thomasyebei8540 10 місяців тому +18

    This is one of the most well researched documentary on relationship between Kenya and Somalia

    • @ness.
      @ness.  9 місяців тому +1

      Thank you.

  • @warsameguhaadbahdoon6401
    @warsameguhaadbahdoon6401 9 місяців тому +13

    Unfortunately Kenya’s official state historiography has suppressed this tragic and traumatic history of my people. Despite being raised with stories and memories of state violence, we were never educated on this history. They tried to silence, burry or repress it; it’s a political taboo talking about Shifta liberation efforts. THANKS for creating such a well researched and informed documentary.

    • @John-nt9ip
      @John-nt9ip 7 місяців тому +1

      I can only imagine how horrible that is. I wouldn’t wish anyone to live in fear and witness bloody murder. I am sorry to hear of your pain under the thumb of the Government.
      I admit I do not know what Kenya’s official state historiography is. I would like to know more about it if at all possible.
      Indeed, the killing of thousands of people by the Kenyan army during the Shifta war was censored. This was one of the findings of the Truth, Justice and Reconciliation Commission of Kenya.
      Whether genuine or not, President Kenyatta publicly admitted the atrocities live on the official government news channel after TJRC gave their report. He also put aside money adding the admission of guilt similar to the one by Nelson Mandela.
      TJRC hearings were live on three mainstream media channels including the Government channel.
      Things have changed after 2007.
      Speaking from personal experience, the plight of the Somal is more widely discussed. Late last year a discussion was had in a shuttle matatu I was in for the duration we were stuck in traffic about the Shifta war and the massacre. To be fair, I do live among the Borana and Sakuye.
      I learned a lot about the massacres passively. I learned about the Wagalla massacre and those two-page articles in the newspaper. Before that, I used to know it as the Moi massacre / village massacre / mass grave massacre.
      I learned about the Bulla Massacre and the Ethiopian Massacre from mainstream media.
      There are even some I vaguely remember like a failed East Africa coordinated coup that was brutally crushed.
      Citizen TV did a feature on the Wagalla Massacre. KTN and Citizen interviewed the surviving victims of the massacre.
      The Prime Minister visited the Wagalla Memorial.
      There was the repeal of the 1972 law and the prosecution of those responsible.
      Our school doesn’t teach about government massacres and manipulations in history class, just targeted assassinations and systematic oppression in a broader sense.
      That said all my early knowledge about Somali and Borana I learned from my neighbors but most of it I learned from my secondary school library. There was a book of essays and biographies called History of Africa in our school library.
      I went to a public school under the Free Day Secondary Education.
      If I didn’t go to Secondary school I would have been ignorant of the following probably until my adulthood.
      -The name Northern Frontier District.
      -The villagization and manipulation of the Boran through the massacre of their animals.
      -The Waso Borana boycott of the first elections.
      -The somalization of Borana in the 30s after their displacement from Wajir by the British due to religious fights; which subsequently led to their separation from their Ethiopian kin.
      -The Samburu were moved North by the British.
      -Gafa shifta, Somali Youth League, Northern People Party, Galla-Somali border, Daba camps
      -A DC of the NFD who was killed in the 60s
      -The state of emergency in the NFD in the 60s

    • @John-nt9ip
      @John-nt9ip 7 місяців тому +1

      Corrections: Thoes resposible were not procecuted. I meant to say 'There was the repeal of the 1972 law that prevented the prosecution of those responsible.'
      The book from Secondary school was the History in Africa Journal volume 23. The specific paper was Writing Biographies of Borana by Mario I. Aguilar who tries to present history from individual biographies as much as from archives.

    • @Eh-Mungu-Nguvu-Yetu-q8p
      @Eh-Mungu-Nguvu-Yetu-q8p 5 місяців тому

      No one is trying to silence you my brother these information is freely available for any person to look at

    • @JackChit-pv3dj
      @JackChit-pv3dj 4 місяці тому

      Walahi I love Kenyans they are more somali than the somalis themselves. Good people and funny people too 😂

    • @MahamudKassim
      @MahamudKassim 3 місяці тому

      @@Eh-Mungu-Nguvu-Yetu-q8p What do you know about Somalis acha ukabila

  • @John-nt9ip
    @John-nt9ip 7 місяців тому +2

    Great informative video. I learned some new things.
    Keep up the good work!

  • @hoverboy
    @hoverboy 6 місяців тому +19

    And there are Maasai in Tz and Kenya, Luos and Lughyas in Ug, Oromos in Ethiopia and Kenya. So what's wrong with there being Kenyan Somalis? I bet most Kenyan Somali people today would rather have that Kenyan passport than a Somalia one.

    • @Eh-Mungu-Nguvu-Yetu-q8p
      @Eh-Mungu-Nguvu-Yetu-q8p 5 місяців тому +8

      It's the thing I don't get as a Kenyan because the Somalis own their own lands in these provinces I don't know why they are fighting for the land they already have

    • @AbdulkadirFarah-cz6yw
      @AbdulkadirFarah-cz6yw 5 місяців тому +2

      ​@@Eh-Mungu-Nguvu-Yetu-q8pare you okey

    • @Eh-Mungu-Nguvu-Yetu-q8p
      @Eh-Mungu-Nguvu-Yetu-q8p 5 місяців тому +2

      @@AbdulkadirFarah-cz6yw yes I am what about you are you okay??

    • @donomar8517
      @donomar8517 4 місяці тому

      Somalis came from harar...and went east and south...not from east to south..

    • @JackChit-pv3dj
      @JackChit-pv3dj 4 місяці тому +1

      @@donomar8517where are you getting this information from 😂. Randomly spawned in a town called harar eh?

  • @senit.k5262
    @senit.k5262 8 місяців тому +6

    We are all brother's and sisters. One Africa 🌍. We don't know eachother very well .we love eachother. Lets not see eachother through the enemies lens. Its enough for all of us. All we need is unity. One Africa. Lets concure what God gave us and sustain our self . God bless the world. Lvu all my brother's and sister's . ETHIOPIAN Eritrean canadian 🥰🙏🙏🙏🙏

  • @bilalabdi9148
    @bilalabdi9148 Рік тому +21

    i hope one day somalia redefines its borders

  • @AliAsadMo
    @AliAsadMo 6 місяців тому +9

    Without the mention of Kenya's hospitality in hosting almost half of the population of Somalia as refugees in addition to us who are Kenyan somalis...This story is not complete but lacking the intricate bit about how Kenyan somalis ended up having an allegiance to Kenya

    • @chance258
      @chance258 5 місяців тому +3

      Brother you’re a traitor by saying this, your allegiance should be to a unified Somali state, not to Kenyan foreigners who look down on you.

    • @AliAsadMo
      @AliAsadMo 5 місяців тому +5

      @@chance258 unified Somalia? Why? Even the failed state is trying to drag Somaliland down into chaos. I'm not interested. What am I unifying to do that I cannot do

    • @JackChit-pv3dj
      @JackChit-pv3dj 4 місяці тому +2

      @@AliAsadMo la hawla wala quwwata illa billah 🤦🏾‍♂️

    • @collinsmwangi2079
      @collinsmwangi2079 4 місяці тому +1

      Finally you are the first smart Somalian who has spoken about it.Remember we must identify a problem for us to solve it most Somalis insult Kenyans when we speak about the state of their country instead of collaborating to find ways to solve it

    • @shafsteryellow
      @shafsteryellow 4 місяці тому +1

      ​@@collinsmwangi2079😂

  • @malakaaay
    @malakaaay 3 місяці тому +2

    please do not lie to the world ‼️somalis were never moved from from somalia to Ogaden Region or from somalia to NFD and that is their own land , they were there fever, but the christian colonials took and cut that land from the rest of somalia by force not by voice ✅ somalis are not the only ethinic that colonial hurted , but some of the other community, such like Massai, oromos, and many more.

    • @canon5059
      @canon5059 Місяць тому

      😂so where do Maasai belong Kenya or Tanzania?

  • @TacticalRuse
    @TacticalRuse 4 місяці тому

    Good video. 👍

  • @AliHassan-hb1bn
    @AliHassan-hb1bn 9 місяців тому +6

    Because Britain uses Kenyans as a mouthpiece for sure.

    • @clittajones
      @clittajones 9 місяців тому +7

      but your nomadic kins love immigrating to britain and living there.. why not middle east?

    • @ewm4266
      @ewm4266 9 місяців тому

      ​@@clittajones😂😂😂😂, They looove their Europe and migrating to other countries other than their own coz they kill each other left right and center😂

    • @mohamedhussein2185
      @mohamedhussein2185 8 місяців тому

      @@clittajoneswe live in Middle East too😂

    • @FearlessAfrican
      @FearlessAfrican 7 місяців тому

      @@mohamedhussein2185 Ayaan hirsi and her mother learned the harsh reality of Arab mentality towards Somalians.

    • @JackChit-pv3dj
      @JackChit-pv3dj 4 місяці тому +1

      @@FearlessAfrican so you took one women’s experience among one groups hostility to mean that we somalis are you? 😂. Ofcoarse racism exists everywhere even in somalia. To apply anything to the whole is dishonesty. Try again

  • @DADAahmed-iz4xw
    @DADAahmed-iz4xw 7 місяців тому +2

    the decomentry 90% we can exapt

  • @najmaosman-l5x
    @najmaosman-l5x 7 місяців тому +10

    Great somalia will unite again

  • @ismaciilcabdillahiyuusuf2650
    @ismaciilcabdillahiyuusuf2650 5 місяців тому

    The World with peace, unity, integrity and love,, watching from berbera somaliland rep,,

  • @insane1032
    @insane1032 7 місяців тому +4

    U wazungu made the problem im kenyan muslim from the coast and somalis are ouer brother and sisters in islam we share many same things like same kansu same kufia same chai same food same clothes many things even in kismayo and bajuni island they speak swahili we kenyan muslims and somalis are one ummah ❤

    • @febamohammed2989
      @febamohammed2989 2 місяці тому

      Am also a kenyan muslim from mombasa but i say no,,somalis are not our brothers ,we dont share anything with somalis,we are bantus and somalis are cushites,the only people we share culture with are coatsal tanzania communities all the way to zanzibar and comoros,,,say no to samalis expansion coz somali exapansio means famine,clan wars and terrorism

    • @canon5059
      @canon5059 Місяць тому

      It was not an issue of religion mbwa wewe

  • @canon5059
    @canon5059 Місяць тому

    Somalis origin can only be traced somewhere near Djibouti. Their lack of traditional family planning is what led them to expand into Kenya. They live in Kenya rent free yet they claim they want to unite with greater Somalia. If you feel Kenya isn't a place for Somalis pack head into Somalia.

  • @foziagelton3884
    @foziagelton3884 15 днів тому

    No body is talking how the British Somaliland and the Italy sormalı become one somali republic

  • @kiuk_kiks
    @kiuk_kiks 8 днів тому

    1:12 The Eastern Cushites migrated into Kenya 3,000 years ago. They predate the Bantu majority in Kenya. In fact, southern Cushites migrated into Kenya 5,200 years ago. Please get your facts right.

    • @FearlessAfrican
      @FearlessAfrican 5 годин тому

      @@kiuk_kiks How did we enter your land and took the well watered highlands and confine you to the dry wastelands far north?

  • @COD-MIIR.
    @COD-MIIR. 8 місяців тому +6

    [🇸🇴 No hate to kenyan, But K3nya is Ours 200%.
    Rendille land ..

    • @likatalikata3823
      @likatalikata3823 8 місяців тому +8

      Continue dreaming.

    • @Abdullahi1200
      @Abdullahi1200 3 місяці тому

      ​@likatalikata3823 why are u screaming that land belongs to the inhabitants

    • @sammwakisha5986
      @sammwakisha5986 Місяць тому +2

      ​@@Abdullahi1200Kenya has been a peaceful state .Now if Somalia wants full our war then will bring it to them

    • @Abdullahi1200
      @Abdullahi1200 Місяць тому

      @sammwakisha5986 I just said the land belongs to the inhabitants and they are Somali that land was given to u tho 80% of its people said they wanted to be part of Somalia

    • @Abdullahi1200
      @Abdullahi1200 Місяць тому

      @sammwakisha5986 I don't know what war ur talking about. But never forget blood is thicker than water. Besides, currently, 4M somali are in kenya, and we will help u with the population. Until hhh can't say

  • @naasirsomali4786
    @naasirsomali4786 5 місяців тому +2

    Somalia ❤❤ Kenya

  • @FfLol-vb1oz
    @FfLol-vb1oz 7 місяців тому +4

    Nfd is part of somalia onekligen day it will be back to somalia not for british

    • @holylandnation7
      @holylandnation7 Місяць тому +1

      😅 it's jubaland which is part of kenya

    • @FearlessAfrican
      @FearlessAfrican День тому

      It wouldn't make much difference because even now that land is predominantly occupied by Somali ethnic group ruled from peaceful Kenya which protects them from hostile elements from Somalia. Very few Kenyans from down country find their way there compared to those from up there who live in south Kenya .

  • @momo-cchi5978
    @momo-cchi5978 2 місяці тому

    It's not 'Shifters' but 'Shifta' which is the Somali word for Bandits.

  • @coyoluo
    @coyoluo 6 місяців тому +6

    Somalis are great Kenyans

    • @TacticalRuse
      @TacticalRuse 4 місяці тому +2

      Somalis are not kenyan.

    • @coyoluo
      @coyoluo 4 місяці тому

      @@TacticalRuse I am Kenyan, I know what I am talking about.

    • @TacticalRuse
      @TacticalRuse 4 місяці тому +1

      @@coyoluo and I am somali who lives in the region occupied by kenya, I and every other true somali are not kenyan. But we are successfull here.

    • @coyoluo
      @coyoluo 4 місяці тому

      @@TacticalRuse What does it mean to be Kenyan? are Boranas, Luo, Kalenjins Kenyans?

    • @itsthefig
      @itsthefig Місяць тому +1

      @@TacticalRuse i'm also somali but I am a Kenyan

  • @malakaaay
    @malakaaay 3 місяці тому

    please do not lie to the world ‼️somalis there were not never somalis move from somalia to Ogaden Region or NFD that their own land , they were there fever, but the christian colonials took and cutt that land from somalia by force not by voice ✅ somalis are not the only ethinic that colonial hurted , but some of the other community, such like Massai, oromos, and many more.

  • @abdulkadirsheikhmohamed5
    @abdulkadirsheikhmohamed5 8 місяців тому +1

    Ahmed Madobe also was one of the top members of the former Islamic Courts who removed the former War lords of somalia from mogadishu.Later own this group joined hand and formed the A..Shabab millitias.

  • @haredobsiye1188
    @haredobsiye1188 10 місяців тому +7

    Another white guy who want teach us our history.

  • @LST25
    @LST25 4 місяці тому +1

    Somalia will win ❤

  • @malakaaay
    @malakaaay 3 місяці тому +1

    do not lie to the world please😢

  • @lionofthehornofafrica3631
    @lionofthehornofafrica3631 27 днів тому

    The only people who are nation that British didn’t create are the Somali people.Tanzania,Kenya,Uganda and Ethiopia are British creation.Masai been divided into two countries Kenya and TZ.Luo’s have half of their population in Kenya and Uganda.Oromo and Somali people live in Kenya and Ethiopia.soon this people will come for their land.British didn’t nd couldn’t fight the resilient Somali people soo they divided them into 5 nations like the Kurdish people.

    • @angiefromnairobi
      @angiefromnairobi 13 днів тому

      Every single African country has tribes that have been divided by colonization and colonial boundaries, just like the examples you gave, so what makes you so special? Even Yoruba are divided between 3 African countries and are scattered all over the Caribbean islands and the Americas and they are not fighting everyone trying to create an Ethnostate. Fulani are divided into more than five countries and there are many other examples. You guys are acting like Israel tbh. We could all live together in peace in East Africa. Stop brewing chaos.

  • @malakaaay
    @malakaaay 3 місяці тому +1

    do nt pie to the world please. 😢😢

  • @COD-MIIR.
    @COD-MIIR. 8 місяців тому

    14:38.
    That line on the sea 😂 Was made in 2010. And the land 9ne too 1945.
    K3nya will. Will free those like. Not for peace Talk. But Man talk.

  • @Heegooat
    @Heegooat 9 місяців тому +5

    We could have united with Tanganyika and ditched NFD like a hot potato

  • @RobertBrown-v2o
    @RobertBrown-v2o 9 місяців тому

    Great ?

  • @malakaaay
    @malakaaay 3 місяці тому

    stop llie😢

  • @donomar8517
    @donomar8517 4 місяці тому

    There is no such thing as the ogaden region do youre research, and use the right clan maps

    • @TacticalRuse
      @TacticalRuse 4 місяці тому

      Delusion at its finest, Keep coping.

  • @abdulkadirsheikhmohamed5
    @abdulkadirsheikhmohamed5 8 місяців тому +4

    Kenya occupied the Northern Frontier Distric whent thr British left Kenya. The somalis are oppressed there like Palestinians.

    • @kimathi7118
      @kimathi7118 7 місяців тому

      Kenyan Somalis are better of than those in mainland Somalia, that's why we are hosting over 1 million Somalia refugees..

    • @KiguruNganga
      @KiguruNganga 6 місяців тому

      Oppressed and Somalis are building estates, malls and even running the ministry of defense?

    • @PaulKipkorir-vt2uv
      @PaulKipkorir-vt2uv 5 місяців тому +4

      No they are not

    • @TacticalRuse
      @TacticalRuse 4 місяці тому

      ​@@PaulKipkorir-vt2uvSomaliweyn

    • @canon5059
      @canon5059 Місяць тому

      Go and establish your state in Somalia

  • @abdulkadirsheikhmohamed5
    @abdulkadirsheikhmohamed5 8 місяців тому +1

    Ahmed Madobe himself is an Ogaden born in Ethiopias Qabri dahare city.He is not a somali from somalia.He is a mercenary traitor.

    • @TacticalRuse
      @TacticalRuse 4 місяці тому

      What are you talking about? A somali is a somali. You prove the point of our occupied land in your rant. ITS SOMALIWEYN

  • @haredobsiye1188
    @haredobsiye1188 10 місяців тому +8

    Another white guy who want teach us our history.

    • @TECH-nc9mc
      @TECH-nc9mc 10 місяців тому +7

      Then tell your history instead of whining. We'll come listen.

    • @ness.
      @ness.  9 місяців тому +3

      lol..okay

    • @insane1032
      @insane1032 7 місяців тому

      Yes always These wazungu want to make problems between us but they dont know nothing

    • @donomar8517
      @donomar8517 4 місяці тому

      ​@@ness. Somali region of ethiopia consists of ogaden, hawd and reserve area...its called the somali region..ogaden people make up 33 percent of the inhabitants...its very insulting