If they brought Cell back, they'd write in something like a permanent golden form to get rid of his spots so the burden isn't so massive on the animators
@@Hispanocel on one hand that is a real issue. On the other hand, that means the quality of anime produced will be inherently low. Next up: AI coloring replaces human color-animators. As consumers what we can do is expect the very best, or boycott anime. We cant just lower our standards
@@sihfbaozgfengieg it’s not fucking standards dude, it saves money, makes the anime better animated and makes the employees better, no reason to make work harder in return for the same result, if they brought him back he would need to be like golden Frieda
@@sihfbaozgfengiegbro idk what makes you think that wanting to avoid drawing all those god damn spots is lazy It's literally the smarter option, cost wise, time wise, and sanity wise
Frieza potential and sayians potential he will get stronger at a faster rate than frieza. Frieza train for 12 months cell properly get the same progress in 10 mouth and with sayians potential he will get stronger in and after every fight. He would be so broken if whis trained him to be a god of destruction.
@@clayrock2887he doesn’t have to train cell juniors. They have his exact strength and abilities. He trains then he produces them and they are kid versions of him
@@alphaorlando3974cell would earn much more power than that, so far other than the angels, cell has the highest gifted power level in dragon ball history. He did 0 training and was born as one of the strongest warriors in history.
@@joelgittens6857 I don't think it'd be unlimited. Dude can still be damaged, feels pain, and is currently dead. So all the problems with overuse of the kaioken are still there.
@@antitheist3206 Since he (in theory) has infinite ki from the Androids, and also can regenerate from a single cell, assuming that he doesn't atomize himself he should be able to pull off infinite KaioKen.
@@recycledwaste8737 But the androids *don't* have infinite ki. They just constantly generate it, and yes there's a difference. Being able to output, say, 10 units of power but being able to do it endlessly is very different from being able to output infinite power. Giving someone a pistol with infinite bullets doesn't mean they're going to be equalling the destructive power of a nuclear warhead at any reasonable time.
@@antitheist3206 Yeah that's how I see it. The way that 17 gets stronger is by breaking the limits of his modifications and artificial cells to draw out MORE of his infinite energy at one time.
Cell is literally a piece of every main OP character. He has the unlimited potential of a sayian, the power boost buff because of freiza, can regenerate any limb because of piccolo and can learn any and every technique because specifically he has some of Kakarots dna. It would be cool to see him turn more anti hero than villain, if the good parts put in him took over. Cell saga was top tier.
Merged Zamasu with his immortality is more of hack than cell. All current Vegeta and Goku would need to do to take out a potential Golden Cell is fuse.
@@Oliver-ft2fqmerged Zamasu isn't cool though, he's just got lame bullshit that makes no sense. Cell actually has reasonable hacks that make sense and don't ruin fucking everything
@@Oliver-ft2fq”’more of a hack then cell” Do you even know why vegeta defeated black the 2nd time? Because of the saiyan cells. Cell had Frieza’s durability, Vegeta’s Ego, Goku’s love for fighting and Gohan’s power hungry DNA ALL IN 1 body. You cant tell me 2 saiyans, 1 half human/saiyan and a Frieza race isn’t a hack when cell can also get a zenkai boost. This man can literally destroy zamasu so bad that even his immortality won’t be enough,
The Orange form was a gift from Shenron to Piccolo as the original creator of the dragon statue. Shenron may unlock cells potential but he defo ain't giving him an orange form lol.
It would probably give cell a much stronger form due to his potential being much higher then piccolo s he could be god of destruction level or maybe even beyond with enough training
Man Cells gonna have 2 potentials unlocked Frieza's and Piccolo's if he does the same thing Piccolo did. Imagine if he stacked those potentials on top of each other? He's gonna be broken as hell.
@@RhettJack. it would unlock his potential but probably not a new form. Cell sees himself as perfect and can access ssj without any change to his body. The Orange form was specifically a gift from the dragon, cell would just be ridiculously strong.
@@wingedbluj1674 It also doesn't work if the injuries are self-inflicted. Unless it's Cell who does it. Who knows, maybe Cell's zenkai boosts just don't have drawbacks at all.
@@jojoistaken1 Hehe. No. Just no. I'm 99.99% sure that even Frieza in black form isn't a fraction of Beerus and Whis is stronger than Beerus. Black Cell wouldn't be close to that power. Why do you think that the Gods of Destruction and Angels can't fight in the Tournament of Power? Because they would wipe the floor with all of the non-gods and non-angels.
I recently learnt that cell in the main timeline was supposed to awaken 3 years after the events of super heros if he did he would have dna from everyone who had been on that Earth including Beerus, Whis and Broly
Ikr? He was like an evil escanor with his pride in being "Perfection" or "The perfect being" not to mention when you think about it he was actually really intelligent just too prideful I think that was the Vegeta in him XD.
The simplest argument you could make for the real cell having the most potential is just look at the leap android 17 made. Imagine what cell, the superior android could do
Actually, there ARE gods to train him, just not Beerus or Whis. I feel like resurrecting Cell to own Universe 7 is pretty in character for Champa, especially since it's the exact kind of reckless action that could bite him in the ass.
Honestly, I can see Cell make a comeback, but not as a villain, but more like how Vegeta used to be before his eventual turn to being a good guy. Cell isn't "evil" like Frieza, Cell is basically just a Saiyan, wanting to always have a better fight, at the time the way was to basically threathen everyone with death. If he were to return, he could fight Vegeta, Goku, Gohan and Piccolo, not to the death, but just sparring, that would satisfy his Saiyan Blood, Frieza's side doesn't really have a tendecy to be evil either, it's more how they got raised and Cell was already well aware that Gero basically "programmed" him to atleast kill Goku, but he cares more for a good fight, that's why he makes the same critical mistake twice, the 1st time letting Trunks live and letting the Cell games happen, the 2nd time being letting Gohan achieve SS2.
Yep, now apply that reasoning with DBZ and the Saiyans. It was total BS how many powerups they got (oozaru, zenkai boosts, super saiyan). Cell would just take this to another level.
Cell was my favorite villain in the series easily. Not even just because of his broken powerset but his personality. You just gotta love the guy. They really couldn't give us the real Cell back ONCE in all the movies and episodes since Super started? Smh...
TFS really drove this home imo. they were able to make such a great parody of Cell because of how interesting, and unique of a character he is. Someone with the attitude of the Saiyans and the bloodlust of Frieza. Super interesting. Still gotta say I think Goku Black and Zamazu are my favorite villains. I think they are the only Villains that were completely evil. They saw all of their death and destruction as a thing of beauty. Even Frieza isn't that dark lol.
@@DanimeCafe Bro, Cell is definitely a super sayian ! There’s no way he has Sayian cells in him with A super Sayian Aura after he powers up while in perfect form. Its his version of super sayian. He has frieza cells as well making him the most Potentially dangerous villain aside from Buu in the DBZ Saga.
@@TheKhysmash thing is he didn't awaken the transformation by a traumatic event like the rest. He just did it after powering up so much and the senkai boost after self detonating.
The scary thing is that he has the potential to do a lot of shit that doesn’t make sense. For example, in XV2, you can customize the skill set and soul of your mentors, which includes Cell. He is capable of using Super Spirit Bomb and his quote for using it goes along the lines of “See! I told you I could do this if I wanted to.”
Even many years ago in either Budokai 2 or 3, he was able to use the Spirit Bomb as one of his ultimate attacks. His quote when using it was "Alright planet! Give me that stupid energy!"
@@AzureGuardian051 Best part is, that's a call-back to his city ruins talk with Piccolo. Pretty sure he flat-out said, "Yeah, Piccolo, I could probably use a Spirit Bomb if I wanted to"
I find it hilarious that shenron was so grateful to see piccolo instead of bulma that he's like " oh its you, wassup bro, heres a gift to show you how much you mean to me.....also plz help"😂😂
I’d disagree, the black form for freiza can destroy Goku and vegetia imagine a cell who in his base form is stronger then freiza in his use to be 100% form
@@GuyWhoKnowsThings cell max most likely has the DNA of all the people who came to Earth. Which means outside of the dna regular Cell has, he has Dabura, Babidi, maybe Buu, Beerus, Meerus, Moro, Whis, 7-3, Hit (that episode is filler though so I'm not sure), and Broly. Perfect Cell max might be weaker than black form Cell at first but with all those DNA and potential within him, he would demolish everyone lol. Perfect Cell max is also a huge jump from the current Cell max. Orange Picollo, which is prob SSB level has a very hard time against Cell max, which is a berserk opponent and not in the dangerous levels of Broly, he's just straight up dumb and mindless, so imagine a smart Cell max with the jump from something a kin to semi perfect to perfect Cell.
The thing we're not talking about is how Cell can absorb anyone and add their power to his own. He's always a threat, because he can easily becone as powerful as any adversary he faces.
Said this from day 1. DB unintentionally created their end series character and had him right under their nose and if the series doesn't end with him we've been robbed
Yeah Frieza, Cell and Buu all seemed like final villains, for Frieza it's because of the first SSJ transformation and the conclusion of Goku's origin, for Cell it's because he has the DNA of all the major characters and he fought Gohan with his full potential unlocked (at the time), for Buu it's because he destroyed the Earth, it's the end of Vegeta's development and the final Genkidama is the most final attack you can make But to be fair, almost every villain in DB could have been the final villain, Piccolo Daimao, Piccolo and Vegeta could each have been the final villain of the series too
@@Flyingmonkey590💀 its not a might you literally see the same electricity within his golden aura after he explodes and comes back due to the zenkai boost
@@Flyingmonkey590ssj2 is 100x base. Cell having a yellow aura and electricity isn't indicative of him going ssj2 even if he has Saiyan cells, because that would put him far and away above Gohan, who defeated him with 1 arm.
One thing I never understood, when thinking about how difficult it was to animate Cell, is why they kept his spots when he obtained perfection. Regardless of them being distinctive for Cell’s appearance, their asymmetric style suggests an imperfection to his design. They could’ve had his spots show very clearly in his imperfect form, reduce them to faded splotches in his 2nd form, and then have them gone completely and blended into his body as a new shade of green.
Maybe it's more of an acceptance thing, because if he was truly perfect, he wouldn't be murderous and he wouldn't've lost to Gohan Maybe it was all about accepting your inperfections and realizing that he was perfect all along... Nah
Honestly, I don't know how they did the CGI work in Super Broly and Hero but if it's just a 3d model, they wouldn't need to redraw the spots each time. As long as it would look good, honeslty.
Cell could push Kaioken all the way to max and even ifbit killed it, he would come back completely immune from strain Kaioken gives, not to mention it would give him Super Cell 2 form on top of that, disgustingly OP
@@mr.knightthedetective7435 Holy shit this never clicked with me until now. The only thing keeping someone from going Kaiokenx1000 or some shit is the fact that it would straight vaporize them and even if it didn't it would shred their insides to the point where they would be essentially out of commission for the fight and forseeable future (see Goku near the end of his original fight with Vegeta). If Cell obliterated his body he could just pull a "lol nucleus survived" and regenerate (plus the zenkai boost) and if his muscles get damaged to the point of uselessness, again, just regenerate. The only potential drawback is it emptying his stamina reserves, but with his Saiyan and Namekian DNA his stamina is terrifying and with unrestricted Kaioken the fight won't last more than a few seconds. It's a damn good thing he inherited his ego from his daddies cuz if he wanted he could have absolutely just KKx100 and blitzed the entire Cell Games lineup. But that would be too anti-climactic for the perfect being, and so instead he gets bodied by an 11 year old lol.
@@werock991 turning on kaio-ken untill it almost kill him, getting zenkai boost because of that, then regenerate without even turning off kaio-ken. He can basically train infinitely by standing still.
I don't think people hate him,it's just the idea of bringing him back like Frieza was. Since it feels like using the same old concept over and over. Plus,Cell being brought back wouldn't make sense since he's left an amazing impact on us and went out in a blaze of glory. No need for his return. Plus,we partially got that in DBS Super Hero. So there you go. I'll link Masako X's video on Cell Max if you're interested. ua-cam.com/video/7l2DKsC-piE/v-deo.html&ab_channel=MasakoX
To be honest he probably wouldn’t get a golden or black form if he trained due to the fact that Frieza chose those colors, they aren’t set in stone forms that members of Frieza’s race are forced to get when they grow stronger, even Frieza said he chose for the golden form to be golden. Cell would probably choose a different color.
It depends on how Toriyama feels I guess lol. But if he's not Golden what would he be? Platinum? He's just one of those characters that really should have been brought back into the main canon. His potential and charisma is even higher than Frieza's.
I mean he could learn about the Super Saiyan God ritual and recreate it with Cell Jr's or possibly even cheat it by himself (imagine him just recreating 5 Saiyan Heartz to trigger it). Once he gains access to Red, getting Blue would be easy if he is able to sense Goku or Vegeta doing it. Also just imagine the danger if he ever got his hands on a sample of Broly's DNA.
Cell, a.k.a. "The Universe's End", dying at the hands of Gohan, the Ascended Super Saiyan, hybrid of the race and Goku's Legacy as the new Savior of the Earth to take his place for the future, was the true finale of the story. Everything added afterwards was cheaply made-up on the fly while all loose ends were already tied up for good. With Cell's death, the work was complete.
They all ganged up on Cell in the end. Gohan would not have beaten Cell if he didn’t have the spirit of his father behind him, then having Vegeta blindsiding Cell and the rest of Z fighters tagging in. Truly wasn’t a 1 on 1.
@@magau3698 It's funny how kids these days are so insecure and desperate for validation that even if there's nothing, they'll see imaginary things to argue against. Indeed, it was the true end with all the characters from the whole series being important and fighting together one last time for the great finale against the ultimate villain who had all their techniques and unlimited potential. Peak Dragonball. Perfect ending.
Since he has Krillin, Yamcha, and Tien's cells in him as well as the Saiyans, even if you need "Hybrid Saiyan" as a requirement, Cell has that too. The only thing he lacks is Buu cells, if we can even call whatever Buu is made of "Cells". He truly is the Perfect being.
Imagine an entire arc based around changing cell's personality. I can see him learning about everything and becoming more stoic for sure. His initial personality is already a lot like beerus.
His pride would stop him fron using the dragon balls for that. That's the Vegeta in him. He would need to be humbled a few more times before he finally stopped thinking he was too perfect to train but once he did he would definitely be a problem. Though hed have to go off planet to train. Not like people would just ignore him as he trained.
@@burnttoast.2017 Honestly, I feel like that was purely due to his first form taking more from Frieza and cold than the sayians, but as his power grew, his sayian DNA took over mentally, explaining the reason why he doesn't attempt to go and get more energy after 16 basically walls him off from 18. He could have easily gone to another Island and absorbed people, but instead he blew them up. That's a noticable jump in tactics.
Wrong, he’s shown that he’s willing to sacrifice his pride to get what he wants at any moments notice. He’s begged for mercy on multiple occasions, he’s ran away from conflict, hidden himself, taken Senzu beans from Goku “WITHOUT HESITATION”, etc. If he found a way that’ll make him better, he’ll try to achieve it no matter the cost. He’ll easily use Wishes and training for that.
But then he also has Cold and Freeza's cells in him which makes him even more arrogant he has Goku's cells but Goku's nature isnt a peaceful one and neither is piccolo's original nature since he was originally a demon that spawned from Kami, he also has Raditz and Nappa's cells and those 2 were arrogant as well, then he has Yamcha's cells which wpuld make him get cocky, even Tienshinhan was an assasin back then, so the only actual good people left inside of him would be Krillin, Master Roshi and Gohan but Gohan has anger problems hahaha
to get over the animation issue with his spots. they could always say that while he was in HIFL he trained and got a new form that he liked more than his original Perfect form. this new form doesn't have his spots. the naming convention could be related to gemstones. like Emerald, Ruby, Sapphire, Pearl, Onyx, Diamond
Dude I love HFIL cell pretty much carries the show he's hilarious. Also he's the only person in the show who talks shit to frieza like threatening to tell who's devil spawn killed frieza on a planet that wasn't namek lol
I feel like someone that had a ton of potential both story wise and strength wise would’ve been raditz. He’d be the same lineage as goku, be related to goku, have reasons to want to kill him and gohan, hates vageta and frieza and potentially be able to unlock super sayin and super sayin god. There’s a lot of story and strength potential for a villain there not to mention he’s the only villain that legitimately defeated goku.
@@simpgod2170 because he's not an idiot. His claims to want to destroy the world, yet he had multiple opportunities to do so when nobody was around. What he really wanted was to be perfect, and fight strong opponents, just like Goku. When they brought him back he'd be strong, ss2+ isn't nothing, but Goku could handle him alone in base, and if he showed Cell how much stronger he was than that there's no doubt that Cell would want to train against him and get stronger... And you know that leads to him being part of the family. Piccolo 2.0
Cells greatest asset is that he could literally absorb anyone and their power and abilities. Imagine him just secretly going from planet to planet and literally absorbing every single life form and gaining all their abilites instincts and power. Imagine him absorbing bulma and he learns how to build a Time Machine and go to different timelines. Imagine him absorbing the dragon balls and wishing for anything he wants anytime
there is a Fan made Manga about just that. Krillen becomes an Android, All the Z fighters are dead apart from Krillen and Goten, Goten is tasked with killing this Stupidly broken Perfect Cell. Krillen eventually sacrifices his like to kill Cell.
Well the writters will probably make a limit to how much he can earn. If anything I think Cell would only get his own unique evolution rather then riding off everyone else's since we still can't forget the consequences of having all the z fighters and Frieza's DNA, so Cell's Potential might be drag down a bit because of him having everyone else's Cell's rather then just Frieza's. These are really the only positives Cell would have: - Saiyan Growth - Saiyan Power Boosts - Some Saiyan Transformations - Namekian Regeneration - High Senses And Skill - Decent Potential - Frieza Type Durability And Endurance
I don't think there were any real consequences to having so much DNA besides his arrogance. Though if he were to come back, you could be right about receiving a unique form, but realistically it'd only make sense if it was an amalgamation of his DNA which resulted in the new form, rather than as a way to nerf him from his true potential.
Potential does not stagnate it stacks that's the nerf what ifers use to down play cell the potential of goku, vegeta, piccolo, frieza, king cold would not be dragged down it would combine
I have been saying that they could bring him back as a reincarnated Human or Namekian. I think that could lead to an interesting story where he is just a very talented person fighter but something makes him regain his memories. The story then follows him looking for revenge to reforming and becoming a hero. That is how I would do it anyway.
Cell should have been in the t.o.p, this would be the team. Goku, vegeta, gohan, android 18, android 17, grill master piccolo, cell, buu, frieza, broly.
Being capable of doing something doesn't mean that you are guaranteed to act on using it to your advantage. Look at Piccolo he never made the wish until Super Hero
Honestly, it wouldn't be that hard to explain how he'd come back. Even though the Z-Warriors thought Gohan killed him off, a very small seed or amiba flies off and plants itself into the Earth. It's very small, burnt, and has no energy, but can still grow with enough love and care. After many years of growing due to rain, or even a Cell Jr taking care of the growing Cell plant, it finally blooms and pops out Cell. Cell then plants multiple Cell Jrs, and sends them off to spy on every massive power of energy in the area. Self-destruction, training, and knowledge of the forms he's able to achieve pushes him into becoming the most powerful being imaginable
So you get your Cell Black, and he’s smooth and easy to draw, congratulations. …Who beats him? You just can’t win in any conventional way. Now, if we had a culture of parasites to make a meal of his ever-regenerating flesh… 😂
If there was a culture of parasites that could indefinitely feed off of cells flesh, the series would have to just end 💀 that would mean that we would have to deal with not just ONE thing with a bite force strong enough to break off his flesh, but an entire colony at the very least, and i don’t think that would be very good 😂
I feel he could potentially get God ki on his own, like it wasn't given to Vegeta, Whis just taught him how to unlock it and gave him and Goku tools to tap into it easier And considering that Perfect Cell is supposed to be such a super intelligent being, I feel he could figure it out on his own
Personally I think that Toriyama & Toyotarou realized bringing back the original Cell would have had a whole host of problems, thus it was easier to just have the latest incarnation of the Red Ribbon Army create an entirely new incarnation of Cell than to simply bring back the old one (mind you I think they could have gone with the idea that incomplete main timeline Cell somehow survived being destroyed & was completed by the Red Ribbon Army, but that would have taken away a win for Krillin & Future Trunks, so I can understand why they didn't go that route!)! Still the theory that the writers couldn't think of what form to give Cell if he was actually resurrected does make a lot of sense, though I like to think it was a combination of factors! Let's fact it, if Toriyama and/or Toyotarou really wanted to bring back the original Cell & could settle on a form to give him, I think they would! Besides, being a Bio-Android composed of the cells of countless martial artists & species (Earthlings, Saiyans, Namekian, & Frieza Race), Cell may have advantages natural born members of those races, including naturally born hybrids don't have such as Cell's ability to receive Zenkais even if the injury is self inflicted which according to Vegeta during the Frieza Saga self inflicted injuries don't work (Goku seems to do this while training in the spaceship in the anime & to a lesser extent in the manga, but one could argue it was the damage incurred through the intensity of the gravity training itself & not getting blasted by his own attacks as the intense gravity was forcing Goku to push his body beyond its natural limits, so him receiving Zenkais by consuming Senzu Beans after intense training doesn't completely violate the self injury rule as it was the intensity of the gravity training itself that generated injuries he was healing & the anime kinda gets a pass as it had yet to firmly establish the no self injury rule, though admittedly you could argue it could also apply to the manga as Toriyama himself didn't have Vegeta reveal that fact until the Frieza Saga), yet it is impied that Cell's regeneration after his destruction (as he possesses Frieza's ability to survive horrific injuries & still function which in Cell's case means he can survive as long as his nucleus survives, though DBZ:Kakarot did suggest he lied about said nucleus was in his head, as it would be in a Namekian as that's how Piccolo was able to regenerate even after Goten & Trunks broke him when he was petrified by Dabura's stone spit, as Piccolo noted the nucleus in his head survived was how he was still able to regenerate, which was to explain how Cell was able to survive the destruction of the upper half of his body caused by Goku's iconic Instant Kamehameha as the whole nucleus in his head thing was established well after that scene had shown Cell managing to regenerate despite the apparent of his head) also resulted in him receiving a Zenkai which shouldn't have happened as his near-death experience was the result of the Self Destruction (there is no indication it was only triggered by the damage he received from fighting Gohan & losing Android 18, other than his body being able to remember his perfect form, which due to the Zenkai allowed him to reobtain it without either 17 or 18, as 17 was killed by the self destruction & 18 had been lost due to him throwing her up, with the Zenkai giving him his new Super Perfect Form which is essentially Cell's equivalent to Super Saiyan 2 as it has the same aura (due to his lack of hair, Cell's SSJ equivalents usually only effect his aura, though his ability to use Super Saiyan makes perfect sense as all genetic Saiyans possess S-Cells which is why hybrids & artificial beings with Saiyan cells/DNA like Cell, Mira, & Fu all have access to their own equivalents of the Super Saiyan form)! Mind you his ability to survive self destruction & regenerate is well beyond what natural born Saiyans are capable of already, so it is no wonder he is able to receive Zenkais even from self inflicted injuries (though one could argue that this could be due to genetic tampering by the Super Computer to grant Cell unnatural abilities on purpose, even though it is entirely possible it was completely a fluck that came about by mixing the genetics of different species)! Mind you Cell isn't the only Bio-Android who survived thanks to regeneration, as in the DBS manga, the Cell Juniors all apparently survived their battle with SSJ2 Gohan, as they are alive & currently living on Monster Island after being tamed by Android 17 with the implication that they survived by regenerating! Fortunately it seems they themselves did not receive any Zenkais as it is implied they're current strength is about the same as it was during the Cell Games! Mind you the Cell Juniors are seemingly reformed as they stop attacking Goten & Trunks after noticing they are wearing MIR Ranger Uniform just like the one 17 wears, so there is little indication they have any desire to resurrect their father using the Dragon Balls (mind you Bulma & the Capsule Corporation have apparently been collecting them since the aftermath of the Broly Saga, so its not like they've had the opportunity to try especially considering they'd need a Dragon Radar unless they figure out how to sense DB energy like Moro did)!" I would like to point out it is entirely possible for Cell to acquire the Dragon Balls without a radar as Moro demonstrated it is possible to sense DB energy, something which Cell might be able to develop (or could acquire with some modification, as he is a Bio-Android so there is the prospect he could be upgraded)! Additionally Cell could easily develop magical abilities thanks to his Namekian cells so if DB energy sensing is magic based he could still develop such an ability! Mind you the question is would he even resort to such methods! After all given the influence of Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, & Frieza cells on his personality, it wouldn't be surprising if Cell just decided to train himself to get stronger & given his pride when it comes to seeing himself as the perfect life form, him training to achieve greater power and/or achieve his full potential would make far more logical sense! Mind you I agree, Cell has an insane amount of potential which is why I believe they made Cell Max more of a mindless monster, as had he an actual personality like the original Cell, he would have been far more dangerous due to his size & knowledge of the failures of his predecessor! Still I wonder if Cell Max had already achieved his own version of Super Saiyan God based upon his coloration which is similar to Genome's God Class-up in SDBH which causes his body to turn red & acts as the Bio-Android's equivalent of Super Saiyan God which is also achieved by Saiyan Avaters via God Class-up, while Genome's Super God Class-up is his equivalent of the Saiyan's Super Saiyan Blue which Saiyans achieve via Super God-class up)! Mind you its hard to tell as its possible his coloration was painted on as body is implied to be grey underneath (though that could just be due to the nature of the damage inflicted by Gamma 2's Core Breaker)!
He could create severalCell Jrs,, and use them to unlock the god form. And, he could potentially throw Kaio-ken, the great ape form and Piccolo’s size increase over top of it all.
If Cell were to ever come back I would hope that he would achieve a new form that removes his spots(because we all know they were hell on the animators). Imagine if Cell were to absorb either of the Gammas. It'd be really interesting if he absorbed Gamma 2s broken body and it kind of soft resurrected Gamma 2 by merging his personality with Cell's to turn them into a sort of combined neutral character, or maybe like an anti hero/villain.
Toriyama: Never bring Cell back. He was your perfect, self-contained villain that was such a threat at the time that it would be a dishoner bringing him back.
I haven't finished this yet, but i think buu Saga wouldn't still happen 7 years later and would be more along the lines of when future trunks had his. The Gohan Cell beam struggle and energy out put before and during that is what attracted Bibadi in the first place. So without the power output of SSJ2 Gohan and Mr. Super Perfect Cell, they dont make the long-distance accidental call to the worm that wants to summon Buu. So Buu saga has to take the long way around. And like i said before, i haven't finished the video yet, That would also mean no SSJ3 Goku, or he would at least get it a lot later since he doesnt do the other world training and has never seen what SSJ2 even looks like when done correctly
The real issue is that he's hell to animate and draw
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Yeah, even Toriyama himself really expressed his stress on drawing perfect cell in his manga, which in particular, the black spots on cells body alot.
@@hoohoo431blue kaioken isn't in the manga though
@@ZeroYamiit is in the manga just not in the u7 & u6 tornament, goku uses it to fight jiren
@@pokeczarelf no it was the dots on his body
If they brought Cell back, they'd write in something like a permanent golden form to get rid of his spots so the burden isn't so massive on the animators
ughhhh just the thought of this makes me nauseous. they are allergic to hard work, it seems
@@sihfbaozgfengiegNo, it’s just that drawing cell is a major toll on the already underpaid and overworked Japanese animators
@@Hispanocel on one hand that is a real issue. On the other hand, that means the quality of anime produced will be inherently low. Next up: AI coloring replaces human color-animators. As consumers what we can do is expect the very best, or boycott anime. We cant just lower our standards
@@sihfbaozgfengieg it’s not fucking standards dude, it saves money, makes the anime better animated and makes the employees better, no reason to make work harder in return for the same result, if they brought him back he would need to be like golden Frieda
@@sihfbaozgfengiegbro idk what makes you think that wanting to avoid drawing all those god damn spots is lazy
It's literally the smarter option, cost wise, time wise, and sanity wise
Frieza training for 4 months: 😣
Cell training for 4 months: ☠️☠️☠️
People are overlooking the fact that he could train his children up too so you have a trained cell and cell jrs
Frieza potential and sayians potential he will get stronger at a faster rate than frieza. Frieza train for 12 months cell properly get the same progress in 10 mouth and with sayians potential he will get stronger in and after every fight. He would be so broken if whis trained him to be a god of destruction.
@@clayrock2887he doesn’t have to train cell juniors. They have his exact strength and abilities. He trains then he produces them and they are kid versions of him
@@alphaorlando3974cell would earn much more power than that, so far other than the angels, cell has the highest gifted power level in dragon ball history. He did 0 training and was born as one of the strongest warriors in history.
@@blackforceswithnolaces5273 yes true but they would be great sparring partners in the time chamber
The dude can self-destruct, regenerate from a single cell, and gets a boost from the near-death experience.
Training is optional.
Don't forget unlimited kaioken.
@@joelgittens6857
I don't think it'd be unlimited.
Dude can still be damaged, feels pain, and is currently dead.
So all the problems with overuse of the kaioken are still there.
@@antitheist3206 Since he (in theory) has infinite ki from the Androids, and also can regenerate from a single cell, assuming that he doesn't atomize himself he should be able to pull off infinite KaioKen.
@@recycledwaste8737
But the androids *don't* have infinite ki.
They just constantly generate it, and yes there's a difference.
Being able to output, say, 10 units of power but being able to do it endlessly is very different from being able to output infinite power.
Giving someone a pistol with infinite bullets doesn't mean they're going to be equalling the destructive power of a nuclear warhead at any reasonable time.
@@antitheist3206 Yeah that's how I see it. The way that 17 gets stronger is by breaking the limits of his modifications and artificial cells to draw out MORE of his infinite energy at one time.
Cell is literally a piece of every main OP character. He has the unlimited potential of a sayian, the power boost buff because of freiza, can regenerate any limb because of piccolo and can learn any and every technique because specifically he has some of Kakarots dna. It would be cool to see him turn more anti hero than villain, if the good parts put in him took over. Cell saga was top tier.
I think he is an anti-hero in Dragon Ball Heroes
The issue with Cell is that they made him too perfect, if he legit came back it would be a fcking problem. Dude is literally a hack.
FACTS 👍✔️🔥
Merged Zamasu with his immortality is more of hack than cell. All current Vegeta and Goku would need to do to take out a potential Golden Cell is fuse.
@@Oliver-ft2fqmerged Zamasu isn't cool though, he's just got lame bullshit that makes no sense. Cell actually has reasonable hacks that make sense and don't ruin fucking everything
@@ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970 Super Dragon Balls be like
@@Oliver-ft2fq”’more of a hack then cell”
Do you even know why vegeta defeated black the 2nd time? Because of the saiyan cells. Cell had Frieza’s durability, Vegeta’s Ego, Goku’s love for fighting and Gohan’s power hungry DNA ALL IN 1 body. You cant tell me 2 saiyans, 1 half human/saiyan and a Frieza race isn’t a hack when cell can also get a zenkai boost. This man can literally destroy zamasu so bad that even his immortality won’t be enough,
Cells terrifying new form, Cell mitochondria
A true powerhouse
Oh nahh he carrying the team in the tournament
The power house of a cell nah the cell that makes cell a power house
Imagine cell pull up with the black orange ultra egoinstinct
Cell dorado
Aint no way hes getting training from Beerus or Whis
@@2-bit567why, is it because they know cell Will be too op?
@@kelvinkelanaputra9999 No, just they wouldn't like him.
Can't dude just eat someone who has god energy? Yall acting like the dnahe has now is the op part of him. What If he eats Zeno or Any god really.
The Orange form was a gift from Shenron to Piccolo as the original creator of the dragon statue. Shenron may unlock cells potential but he defo ain't giving him an orange form lol.
Yes lol lul
Now that i think of it a orange cell form would look 🔥
It would probably give cell a much stronger form due to his potential being much higher then piccolo s he could be god of destruction level or maybe even beyond with enough training
Man Cells gonna have 2 potentials unlocked Frieza's and Piccolo's if he does the same thing Piccolo did. Imagine if he stacked those potentials on top of each other? He's gonna be broken as hell.
@@RhettJack. it would unlock his potential but probably not a new form. Cell sees himself as perfect and can access ssj without any change to his body. The Orange form was specifically a gift from the dragon, cell would just be ridiculously strong.
Cell could self destruct a billion times and get a massive boost from the collective zenkai
Doesn't the Zenkai boost have diminishing returns?
@@wingedbluj1674 it's a huge one too
@@wingedbluj1674 yes, but i do believe akira forgot it even exists as it hasnt been mentioned since like the Frieza Saga.
@@wingedbluj1674 It also doesn't work if the injuries are self-inflicted. Unless it's Cell who does it. Who knows, maybe Cell's zenkai boosts just don't have drawbacks at all.
@@thomasthecoolkid7228 cell came back from a self inflicted zenkai after blowing himself up so more likely he has no draw backs to his
Frieza training 10 years: 😂
Cell training 10 years: 😅
I think that would be on par with Whis
@@jojoistaken1 what Frieza?
@@Al_edit1265cell
@@jojoistaken1
Hehe. No.
Just no.
I'm 99.99% sure that even Frieza in black form isn't a fraction of Beerus and Whis is stronger than Beerus.
Black Cell wouldn't be close to that power. Why do you think that the Gods of Destruction and Angels can't fight in the Tournament of Power? Because they would wipe the floor with all of the non-gods and non-angels.
Kids and their comments
I recently learnt that cell in the main timeline was supposed to awaken 3 years after the events of super heros if he did he would have dna from everyone who had been on that Earth including Beerus, Whis and Broly
I honestly like the idea that beast form is derived from Chi-Chi's side of the family, combining with Saiyan DNA
Chi chis dad the ox king was super powerful.Goku hit the ox king and he didn’t even feel it 😂
That wouldn't make sense though
No
Facts
Then why is Goten so useless? 😂
Out of any villains that i would enjoy to be brought back it would be Cell. Just a OG gangster of a villain!
Ikr? He was like an evil escanor with his pride in being "Perfection" or "The perfect being" not to mention when you think about it he was actually really intelligent just too prideful I think that was the Vegeta in him XD.
@@arigo1015 Bingo! High five!
Original gangster gangster?
@arigo1015 so vegeta is smarter? Because he can control his pride
@@robiagacitei5487not always. It gets the better of him a lot
If he came back, I hope they give him the Copper Duracell meme Color , it dose look kinda dope ngl
The simplest argument you could make for the real cell having the most potential is just look at the leap android 17 made. Imagine what cell, the superior android could do
Actually, there ARE gods to train him, just not Beerus or Whis.
I feel like resurrecting Cell to own Universe 7 is pretty in character for Champa, especially since it's the exact kind of reckless action that could bite him in the ass.
Champagne knows nothing about cell not even beerus
@@BESTMOAD ahh yes, my favorite db character, champagne
@@cazuelagb I sware I typed champa auto correct is the biggest villain 😂
@@BESTMOAD yeah it really is a villain, it prob can beat Goku
Honestly, I can see Cell make a comeback, but not as a villain, but more like how Vegeta used to be before his eventual turn to being a good guy.
Cell isn't "evil" like Frieza, Cell is basically just a Saiyan, wanting to always have a better fight, at the time the way was to basically threathen everyone with death.
If he were to return, he could fight Vegeta, Goku, Gohan and Piccolo, not to the death, but just sparring, that would satisfy his Saiyan Blood, Frieza's side doesn't really have a tendecy to be evil either, it's more how they got raised and Cell was already well aware that Gero basically "programmed" him to atleast kill Goku, but he cares more for a good fight, that's why he makes the same critical mistake twice, the 1st time letting Trunks live and letting the Cell games happen, the 2nd time being letting Gohan achieve SS2.
Imagining one man using black, orange, and SSB all at once feels illegal
I call this form the lefuckyourself - cell probably
Yep, now apply that reasoning with DBZ and the Saiyans. It was total BS how many powerups they got (oozaru, zenkai boosts, super saiyan). Cell would just take this to another level.
Super Saiyan Dark Blue-Orange
@@0doublezero0to be fair zenka and ozarou ate pretty absulete now
@@Turner-ex4ydZenkai is a supplementary thing that raises your base, so I don't really think so
he has Zenkai boost along with regenerative capabilities. dude is extremely OP
Now imagine if he got ultra ego. Even more zenkai abuse!
Dude has frieza in him that alone makes him extremely powerful with tons of potential
That's why he has perfect in his name
zenkai's stop at a certain point
@@OnlySayori they "stop" if a "God" form was achieved. Vegeta and Goku don't get them anymore because of that
"Somehow cell survived..." "He has been training for the last 10 years..."
Yea the everyone would go bye bye💀, only beerus is able to stop cell if cell really trained for 10 years
“Somehow palpatine returned”
wouldent be the most bs thing to happen in super tbh
That line is really underrated. They couldn't explain the plot point and didn't even realize how obvious the script was making it
Cell was my favorite villain in the series easily. Not even just because of his broken powerset but his personality. You just gotta love the guy. They really couldn't give us the real Cell back ONCE in all the movies and episodes since Super started? Smh...
TFS really drove this home imo. they were able to make such a great parody of Cell because of how interesting, and unique of a character he is. Someone with the attitude of the Saiyans and the bloodlust of Frieza. Super interesting.
Still gotta say I think Goku Black and Zamazu are my favorite villains. I think they are the only Villains that were completely evil. They saw all of their death and destruction as a thing of beauty. Even Frieza isn't that dark lol.
@@Khaynizzle7frieza laughed when he destroyed planet vegeta and said "look at the fire works"
@@williamcolon9280 Yes but Frieza knows that wasn't a "good" thing. He just doesn't care.
Zamazu literally thinks what he is doing is justice.
Mine is freeza because he doesnt give a damn
@@Khaynizzle7 tfs is garbage
Ive been saying this for about 12 years now, Finally someone else agreed enough to make a Video on the Topic ‼️
No one I ever talked to wants to admit that cell is a super Saiyan, they say it's just a coincidence that both auras have the same color.
@@DanimeCafe Bro, Cell is definitely a super sayian ! There’s no way he has Sayian cells in him with A super Sayian Aura after he powers up while in perfect form. Its his version of super sayian. He has frieza cells as well making him the most Potentially dangerous villain aside from Buu in the DBZ Saga.
@@TheKhysmash thing is he didn't awaken the transformation by a traumatic event like the rest. He just did it after powering up so much and the senkai boost after self detonating.
@@DanimeCafe and with Rage. Like most of their transformations.
Cell jrs could probably get dragon balls eventually let alone he accelerates his training with them.
"can the real cell please stand up"
Perfect cell max remembering Gohan would have been the hype
wouldn't make sense tho
@@HypocriticalLiesHe’s literally cell it would make sense.💀
@@Zamasu-op7zz hes not cell, well he is cell but not THE cell
hes basically cell cousin being a different being
well, at least if they bring back cell like the real,one then they should make him train and then achive perfect cell max
He has every race deep inside him
He has each race like the infinity stones
Yup, Every race except the majins. Cell is even human too lol
I know this wasn't supposed to be sexual, but...
Like your mom
"Hello _beautiful_ sister!"
The scary thing is that he has the potential to do a lot of shit that doesn’t make sense. For example, in XV2, you can customize the skill set and soul of your mentors, which includes Cell. He is capable of using Super Spirit Bomb and his quote for using it goes along the lines of “See! I told you I could do this if I wanted to.”
Makes sense to me he can just do it
Even many years ago in either Budokai 2 or 3, he was able to use the Spirit Bomb as one of his ultimate attacks. His quote when using it was "Alright planet! Give me that stupid energy!"
@@Xaero13 ok that’s just being funny 😂
Specifically "I told you I could do it if I wanted too!"
@@AzureGuardian051 Best part is, that's a call-back to his city ruins talk with Piccolo. Pretty sure he flat-out said, "Yeah, Piccolo, I could probably use a Spirit Bomb if I wanted to"
Super saiyan blue black orange cell? Sounds like a nursery rhyme💀
He would be the biggest threat to the series if he was brought back last time he underestimated Gohan and with his Iq he won’t let that happen again
I find it hilarious that shenron was so grateful to see piccolo instead of bulma that he's like " oh its you, wassup bro, heres a gift to show you how much you mean to me.....also plz help"😂😂
Honestly I think a perfected cell max would destroy a cell black or a golden cell
I think you're right. Really wish the manga wasn't just an adaption and actually gave us Perfect Cell Max.
I’d disagree, the black form for freiza can destroy Goku and vegetia imagine a cell who in his base form is stronger then freiza in his use to be 100% form
@@GuyWhoKnowsThings cell max most likely has the DNA of all the people who came to Earth. Which means outside of the dna regular Cell has, he has Dabura, Babidi, maybe Buu, Beerus, Meerus, Moro, Whis, 7-3, Hit (that episode is filler though so I'm not sure), and Broly.
Perfect Cell max might be weaker than black form Cell at first but with all those DNA and potential within him, he would demolish everyone lol.
Perfect Cell max is also a huge jump from the current Cell max. Orange Picollo, which is prob SSB level has a very hard time against Cell max, which is a berserk opponent and not in the dangerous levels of Broly, he's just straight up dumb and mindless, so imagine a smart Cell max with the jump from something a kin to semi perfect to perfect Cell.
@@GlacikingTheIceColdKing
So tell me how tf could they take beerus and whis dna?? 🗿
@@GlacikingTheIceColdKingthey don’t have their DNA it’s just data they collected from them
imagine chilling and some random dude goes ssb, black form, and orange all at the same time
That's why he's the goat! *THE GOAAAAT!*
The thing we're not talking about is how Cell can absorb anyone and add their power to his own. He's always a threat, because he can easily becone as powerful as any adversary he faces.
It doesn't work like that with cell. He has a specific design only for the androids unlike buu
@@jamalturner9702 He stinger tails Piccolo and a bunch of citizens to beef himself up in his first form.
@@DoctorLazers That is not the same as outright absorbing them like Buu could.
@@jamalturner9702GT Goku...
@@blackpow3rIt is.
Said this from day 1. DB unintentionally created their end series character and had him right under their nose and if the series doesn't end with him we've been robbed
You can say that for frieza and buu too. Frieza never trained and was naturally powerful. Buu should be obvious with his absorbing
Yeah Frieza, Cell and Buu all seemed like final villains, for Frieza it's because of the first SSJ transformation and the conclusion of Goku's origin, for Cell it's because he has the DNA of all the major characters and he fought Gohan with his full potential unlocked (at the time), for Buu it's because he destroyed the Earth, it's the end of Vegeta's development and the final Genkidama is the most final attack you can make
But to be fair, almost every villain in DB could have been the final villain, Piccolo Daimao, Piccolo and Vegeta could each have been the final villain of the series too
Ssiiiiiiiiighh, rest easy Cell. You'll be missed!
Meh, hes kinda mid
@@vivienjoly7617And how Frieza being the final villain comes full circle into Goku and his lineage as a saiyan.
In order for cell to come back, they are gonna have to pull sum crazy
Tbh cell black instead of cell max and golden frieza would be kinda cool
He wouldn't want to get to get a new transformation because I'm his eyes he is already perfect
Super Duper Perfect Cell?
He may he perfect but is he perfection?
@@bamboozledpotat3784 Well yeah... Thats what it means to be perfect.
How is it like to be his eyes
he died, he knows he isnt perfect.
Cell literally went super saiyan when his aura went from white to yellow
Super perfect cell might be ssj2
@@Flyingmonkey590💀 its not a might you literally see the same electricity within his golden aura after he explodes and comes back due to the zenkai boost
@@Flyingmonkey590and he's suddenly a match for ssj2 Gohan when he was getting destroyed in his super Saiyan form beforehand
@@Flyingmonkey590ssj2 is 100x base.
Cell having a yellow aura and electricity isn't indicative of him going ssj2 even if he has Saiyan cells, because that would put him far and away above Gohan, who defeated him with 1 arm.
One thing I never understood, when thinking about how difficult it was to animate Cell, is why they kept his spots when he obtained perfection. Regardless of them being distinctive for Cell’s appearance, their asymmetric style suggests an imperfection to his design.
They could’ve had his spots show very clearly in his imperfect form, reduce them to faded splotches in his 2nd form, and then have them gone completely and blended into his body as a new shade of green.
Maybe it's more of an acceptance thing, because if he was truly perfect, he wouldn't be murderous and he wouldn't've lost to Gohan
Maybe it was all about accepting your inperfections and realizing that he was perfect all along...
Nah
Honestly, I don't know how they did the CGI work in Super Broly and Hero but if it's just a 3d model, they wouldn't need to redraw the spots each time. As long as it would look good, honeslty.
well,goodbye my favorite db villain
Perfect cell with Kaioken, enough said
Cell could push Kaioken all the way to max and even ifbit killed it, he would come back completely immune from strain Kaioken gives, not to mention it would give him Super Cell 2 form on top of that, disgustingly OP
@@mr.knightthedetective7435 Holy shit this never clicked with me until now. The only thing keeping someone from going Kaiokenx1000 or some shit is the fact that it would straight vaporize them and even if it didn't it would shred their insides to the point where they would be essentially out of commission for the fight and forseeable future (see Goku near the end of his original fight with Vegeta). If Cell obliterated his body he could just pull a "lol nucleus survived" and regenerate (plus the zenkai boost) and if his muscles get damaged to the point of uselessness, again, just regenerate. The only potential drawback is it emptying his stamina reserves, but with his Saiyan and Namekian DNA his stamina is terrifying and with unrestricted Kaioken the fight won't last more than a few seconds. It's a damn good thing he inherited his ego from his daddies cuz if he wanted he could have absolutely just KKx100 and blitzed the entire Cell Games lineup. But that would be too anti-climactic for the perfect being, and so instead he gets bodied by an 11 year old lol.
@@werock991 turning on kaio-ken untill it almost kill him, getting zenkai boost because of that, then regenerate without even turning off kaio-ken. He can basically train infinitely by standing still.
Perfect, Ultra Instinct, Unleashed potential, Black, ssj god, kaioken x(insert number) Cell who absorbed a god or 2. Noted
@@Y0ungSnake "standing still" average roblox dragon ball bame
I hope he gets brought back !! He is a very good character. I don't understand why people hate him.
I don't think people hate him,it's just the idea of bringing him back like Frieza was.
Since it feels like using the same old concept over and over.
Plus,Cell being brought back wouldn't make sense since he's left an amazing impact on us and went out in a blaze of glory. No need for his return. Plus,we partially got that in DBS Super Hero. So there you go.
I'll link Masako X's video on Cell Max if you're interested.
ua-cam.com/video/7l2DKsC-piE/v-deo.html&ab_channel=MasakoX
Cell can’t transform like the Saiyans or like Frieza can, he’s perfect
he literally has all of there cells and perfect doesn’t mean he cant get more powerful also a golden form would look very believable on cell😂
Beast form is a potential unleashed thing because all CACs can use it in Xenoverse 2
To be honest he probably wouldn’t get a golden or black form if he trained due to the fact that Frieza chose those colors, they aren’t set in stone forms that members of Frieza’s race are forced to get when they grow stronger, even Frieza said he chose for the golden form to be golden. Cell would probably choose a different color.
Then he shall be known as Perfect Purple Cell.
In other words, Frieza gave himself the n-word pass on purpose
It depends on how Toriyama feels I guess lol. But if he's not Golden what would he be? Platinum? He's just one of those characters that really should have been brought back into the main canon. His potential and charisma is even higher than Frieza's.
Green Cell 😂
honestly i can see him doing it to spite frieza
I mean he could learn about the Super Saiyan God ritual and recreate it with Cell Jr's or possibly even cheat it by himself (imagine him just recreating 5 Saiyan Heartz to trigger it). Once he gains access to Red, getting Blue would be easy if he is able to sense Goku or Vegeta doing it.
Also just imagine the danger if he ever got his hands on a sample of Broly's DNA.
Having all of their DNAs he can quite literally learn everything theyre doing just by watching them do it.
did you forget the super saiyan god ritual needing pure hearted saiyans
@@sephy26946 and Cell has 4 of them already, just a quick DNA sample from Pan or any of the Universe 6 Saiyans... or hell just make 5 Goku hearts.
@@DeamonChocobo it is absolutely insane to think thats how that ritual works
@@sephy26946 oh it most likely won't work, it's just a fun thought.
Cell, a.k.a. "The Universe's End", dying at the hands of Gohan, the Ascended Super Saiyan, hybrid of the race and Goku's Legacy as the new Savior of the Earth to take his place for the future, was the true finale of the story. Everything added afterwards was cheaply made-up on the fly while all loose ends were already tied up for good. With Cell's death, the work was complete.
They all ganged up on Cell in the end. Gohan would not have beaten Cell if he didn’t have the spirit of his father behind him, then having Vegeta blindsiding Cell and the rest of Z fighters tagging in. Truly wasn’t a 1 on 1.
@@magau3698 It's funny how kids these days are so insecure and desperate for validation that even if there's nothing, they'll see imaginary things to argue against.
Indeed, it was the true end with all the characters from the whole series being important and fighting together one last time for the great finale against the ultimate villain who had all their techniques and unlimited potential. Peak Dragonball. Perfect ending.
Gero wasn't bluffing when he labeled him as the perfect life form
Since he has Krillin, Yamcha, and Tien's cells in him as well as the Saiyans, even if you need "Hybrid Saiyan" as a requirement, Cell has that too.
The only thing he lacks is Buu cells, if we can even call whatever Buu is made of "Cells".
He truly is the Perfect being.
The cell from the current timeline would’ve had buu cells and probably whis and beerus cells too but krillin destroyed him
In the original manga he only had Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Freeza, and Cold's cells.
Majin Buu's have no cells. They are magical beings (literally Djinn) created from smoke
he truly is perfect in the way that he can adapt to literally everything
Don’t forget cell has saiyan grindset he would train longer than frieza
Imagine an entire arc based around changing cell's personality. I can see him learning about everything and becoming more stoic for sure. His initial personality is already a lot like beerus.
His pride would stop him fron using the dragon balls for that. That's the Vegeta in him. He would need to be humbled a few more times before he finally stopped thinking he was too perfect to train but once he did he would definitely be a problem. Though hed have to go off planet to train. Not like people would just ignore him as he trained.
no he absolutely would, under your logic he'd never absorb anyone and he was constantly given everyone the succ
Ehh, Goku and Vegeta might, as he'd be weak enough to not be a threat. Hell, they might send Goten and trunks to train and face him.
@@burnttoast.2017 Honestly, I feel like that was purely due to his first form taking more from Frieza and cold than the sayians, but as his power grew, his sayian DNA took over mentally, explaining the reason why he doesn't attempt to go and get more energy after 16 basically walls him off from 18. He could have easily gone to another Island and absorbed people, but instead he blew them up. That's a noticable jump in tactics.
Wrong, he’s shown that he’s willing to sacrifice his pride to get what he wants at any moments notice. He’s begged for mercy on multiple occasions, he’s ran away from conflict, hidden himself, taken Senzu beans from Goku “WITHOUT HESITATION”, etc. If he found a way that’ll make him better, he’ll try to achieve it no matter the cost. He’ll easily use Wishes and training for that.
But then he also has Cold and Freeza's cells in him which makes him even more arrogant he has Goku's cells but Goku's nature isnt a peaceful one and neither is piccolo's original nature since he was originally a demon that spawned from Kami, he also has Raditz and Nappa's cells and those 2 were arrogant as well, then he has Yamcha's cells which wpuld make him get cocky, even Tienshinhan was an assasin back then, so the only actual good people left inside of him would be Krillin, Master Roshi and Gohan but Gohan has anger problems hahaha
to get over the animation issue with his spots. they could always say that while he was in HIFL he trained and got a new form that he liked more than his original Perfect form. this new form doesn't have his spots. the naming convention could be related to gemstones.
like Emerald, Ruby, Sapphire, Pearl, Onyx, Diamond
When he goes orange just remove the spots
Dude I love HFIL cell pretty much carries the show he's hilarious. Also he's the only person in the show who talks shit to frieza like threatening to tell who's devil spawn killed frieza on a planet that wasn't namek lol
Behold my new perfect form Zebra Stripped Perfect Cell
I feel like someone that had a ton of potential both story wise and strength wise would’ve been raditz. He’d be the same lineage as goku, be related to goku, have reasons to want to kill him and gohan, hates vageta and frieza and potentially be able to unlock super sayin and super sayin god. There’s a lot of story and strength potential for a villain there not to mention he’s the only villain that legitimately defeated goku.
Hear me out, black ssj3, potential unleashed cell
I love cell. He's my favorite villain. He's also a much better candidate for switching sides than freeza
Yup, same with cooler, canon wise he could be a random chill frost demon not related to freiza and be cells training pal
Bring him back. He will just kill everyone.
How so
@@simpgod2170 because he's not an idiot. His claims to want to destroy the world, yet he had multiple opportunities to do so when nobody was around. What he really wanted was to be perfect, and fight strong opponents, just like Goku. When they brought him back he'd be strong, ss2+ isn't nothing, but Goku could handle him alone in base, and if he showed Cell how much stronger he was than that there's no doubt that Cell would want to train against him and get stronger... And you know that leads to him being part of the family. Piccolo 2.0
@@simpgod2170Vegeta literally had higher direct kill count than both Cell and Frieza combined. Cell is literally a saint compared to Vegeta.
Not necessarily, he can absorb the knowledge to learn how to use God ki, and with training he could do it
Vegeta did it
And with the Orange form, I think he could drink the Super Sacred Water
I've been saying this shit forever now, and the weird part is people literally have tried arguing against it
I'm kinda surpised that his spots weren't too trippy for me.
Cell One of my favorite characters
Cells greatest asset is that he could literally absorb anyone and their power and abilities. Imagine him just secretly going from planet to planet and literally absorbing every single life form and gaining all their abilites instincts and power. Imagine him absorbing bulma and he learns how to build a Time Machine and go to different timelines. Imagine him absorbing the dragon balls and wishing for anything he wants anytime
there is a Fan made Manga about just that. Krillen becomes an Android, All the Z fighters are dead apart from Krillen and Goten, Goten is tasked with killing this Stupidly broken Perfect Cell. Krillen eventually sacrifices his like to kill Cell.
Beast is emotional. Cell is just one emotion.
Black kid buu . Dbz got some fascinating villains
finally someone notices cells potential
The real problem is Cells much too proud to train, he believed himself to be completely perfect in every way
You underestimate his greed to gain power. I think it's much more than his arrogance to not train.
Perfect Cell is a literal op cheat code, invincibility, stats maxed out, even mods.
He's my favorite villain.🤜🏾🤜🏾
Well the writters will probably make a limit to how much he can earn. If anything I think Cell would only get his own unique evolution rather then riding off everyone else's since we still can't forget the consequences of having all the z fighters and Frieza's DNA, so Cell's Potential might be drag down a bit because of him having everyone else's Cell's rather then just Frieza's.
These are really the only positives Cell would have:
- Saiyan Growth
- Saiyan Power Boosts
- Some Saiyan Transformations
- Namekian Regeneration
- High Senses And Skill
- Decent Potential
- Frieza Type Durability And Endurance
I don't think there were any real consequences to having so much DNA besides his arrogance. Though if he were to come back, you could be right about receiving a unique form, but realistically it'd only make sense if it was an amalgamation of his DNA which resulted in the new form, rather than as a way to nerf him from his true potential.
Piccolo's wise
Potential does not stagnate it stacks that's the nerf what ifers use to down play cell the potential of goku, vegeta, piccolo, frieza, king cold would not be dragged down it would combine
I have been saying that they could bring him back as a reincarnated Human or Namekian. I think that could lead to an interesting story where he is just a very talented person fighter but something makes him regain his memories. The story then follows him looking for revenge to reforming and becoming a hero. That is how I would do it anyway.
That's...that's just Uub bro🤦♂️
Reincarnated Cell: I remember now.... my defeat at the hands of Son Gohan!! Oh well. I have better things to do anyways.
@@IKnowWhatYouDid3 we don’t care we want to see it
@@levievil9220 then im glad you don't control the direction of dragon Ball because it would die instantly
@@IKnowWhatYouDid3 someone doesn’t like it when fans want something even then it’s a popular what if
Cell should have been in the t.o.p, this would be the team.
Goku, vegeta, gohan, android 18, android 17, grill master piccolo, cell, buu, frieza, broly.
I think Beast form might actually be a Hybrid Saiyan exclusive transformation. I kinda hope it is so that way it’s somewhat unique to Gohan
Being capable of doing something doesn't mean that you are guaranteed to act on using it to your advantage. Look at Piccolo he never made the wish until Super Hero
Beerus would definitely train cell, he was asleep the whole time cell was alive and I reckon cell would respect beerus enough for it
Perfect punching bag to Vegeta and Goku... And Brolly... And Gohan.
Honestly, it wouldn't be that hard to explain how he'd come back. Even though the Z-Warriors thought Gohan killed him off, a very small seed or amiba flies off and plants itself into the Earth. It's very small, burnt, and has no energy, but can still grow with enough love and care. After many years of growing due to rain, or even a Cell Jr taking care of the growing Cell plant, it finally blooms and pops out Cell. Cell then plants multiple Cell Jrs, and sends them off to spy on every massive power of energy in the area. Self-destruction, training, and knowledge of the forms he's able to achieve pushes him into becoming the most powerful being imaginable
He also has the greatest theme
So you get your Cell Black, and he’s smooth and easy to draw, congratulations. …Who beats him? You just can’t win in any conventional way. Now, if we had a culture of parasites to make a meal of his ever-regenerating flesh… 😂
My money would be on a fusion of Broly and Gohan.
If there was a culture of parasites that could indefinitely feed off of cells flesh, the series would have to just end 💀 that would mean that we would have to deal with not just ONE thing with a bite force strong enough to break off his flesh, but an entire colony at the very least, and i don’t think that would be very good 😂
@@HORRIOR1 Brohan or Goly haha
Dragonball needs far more unconventional solutions to problems. The constant powercreep is absolutely obliterating any hope of a sensible narrative.
Cell should a red ruby form and call it Blood Cell
Super Hero was a missed opportunity to have Blue Cell
I'd love to see him try to get awakened by the dragon and the dragon is just like, "naw".
Damn cell could combine all the cells and go perfect black orange gold ssjb max form. Thus he would be even more dangerous than ever
Are we forgetting he drinks people?
Frieza training for a week: Black Frieza
Cell training for a week: 😈
I feel he could potentially get God ki on his own, like it wasn't given to Vegeta, Whis just taught him how to unlock it and gave him and Goku tools to tap into it easier
And considering that Perfect Cell is supposed to be such a super intelligent being, I feel he could figure it out on his own
Personally I think that Toriyama & Toyotarou realized bringing back the original Cell would have had a whole host of problems, thus it was easier to just have the latest incarnation of the Red Ribbon Army create an entirely new incarnation of Cell than to simply bring back the old one (mind you I think they could have gone with the idea that incomplete main timeline Cell somehow survived being destroyed & was completed by the Red Ribbon Army, but that would have taken away a win for Krillin & Future Trunks, so I can understand why they didn't go that route!)!
Still the theory that the writers couldn't think of what form to give Cell if he was actually resurrected does make a lot of sense, though I like to think it was a combination of factors! Let's fact it, if Toriyama and/or Toyotarou really wanted to bring back the original Cell & could settle on a form to give him, I think they would! Besides, being a Bio-Android composed of the cells of countless martial artists & species (Earthlings, Saiyans, Namekian, & Frieza Race), Cell may have advantages natural born members of those races, including naturally born hybrids don't have such as Cell's ability to receive Zenkais even if the injury is self inflicted which according to Vegeta during the Frieza Saga self inflicted injuries don't work (Goku seems to do this while training in the spaceship in the anime & to a lesser extent in the manga, but one could argue it was the damage incurred through the intensity of the gravity training itself & not getting blasted by his own attacks as the intense gravity was forcing Goku to push his body beyond its natural limits, so him receiving Zenkais by consuming Senzu Beans after intense training doesn't completely violate the self injury rule as it was the intensity of the gravity training itself that generated injuries he was healing & the anime kinda gets a pass as it had yet to firmly establish the no self injury rule, though admittedly you could argue it could also apply to the manga as Toriyama himself didn't have Vegeta reveal that fact until the Frieza Saga), yet it is impied that Cell's regeneration after his destruction (as he possesses Frieza's ability to survive horrific injuries & still function which in Cell's case means he can survive as long as his nucleus survives, though DBZ:Kakarot did suggest he lied about said nucleus was in his head, as it would be in a Namekian as that's how Piccolo was able to regenerate even after Goten & Trunks broke him when he was petrified by Dabura's stone spit, as Piccolo noted the nucleus in his head survived was how he was still able to regenerate, which was to explain how Cell was able to survive the destruction of the upper half of his body caused by Goku's iconic Instant Kamehameha as the whole nucleus in his head thing was established well after that scene had shown Cell managing to regenerate despite the apparent of his head) also resulted in him receiving a Zenkai which shouldn't have happened as his near-death experience was the result of the Self Destruction (there is no indication it was only triggered by the damage he received from fighting Gohan & losing Android 18, other than his body being able to remember his perfect form, which due to the Zenkai allowed him to reobtain it without either 17 or 18, as 17 was killed by the self destruction & 18 had been lost due to him throwing her up, with the Zenkai giving him his new Super Perfect Form which is essentially Cell's equivalent to Super Saiyan 2 as it has the same aura (due to his lack of hair, Cell's SSJ equivalents usually only effect his aura, though his ability to use Super Saiyan makes perfect sense as all genetic Saiyans possess S-Cells which is why hybrids & artificial beings with Saiyan cells/DNA like Cell, Mira, & Fu all have access to their own equivalents of the Super Saiyan form)! Mind you his ability to survive self destruction & regenerate is well beyond what natural born Saiyans are capable of already, so it is no wonder he is able to receive Zenkais even from self inflicted injuries (though one could argue that this could be due to genetic tampering by the Super Computer to grant Cell unnatural abilities on purpose, even though it is entirely possible it was completely a fluck that came about by mixing the genetics of different species)! Mind you Cell isn't the only Bio-Android who survived thanks to regeneration, as in the DBS manga, the Cell Juniors all apparently survived their battle with SSJ2 Gohan, as they are alive & currently living on Monster Island after being tamed by Android 17 with the implication that they survived by regenerating! Fortunately it seems they themselves did not receive any Zenkais as it is implied they're current strength is about the same as it was during the Cell Games! Mind you the Cell Juniors are seemingly reformed as they stop attacking Goten & Trunks after noticing they are wearing MIR Ranger Uniform just like the one 17 wears, so there is little indication they have any desire to resurrect their father using the Dragon Balls (mind you Bulma & the Capsule Corporation have apparently been collecting them since the aftermath of the Broly Saga, so its not like they've had the opportunity to try especially considering they'd need a Dragon Radar unless they figure out how to sense DB energy like Moro did)!"
I would like to point out it is entirely possible for Cell to acquire the Dragon Balls without a radar as Moro demonstrated it is possible to sense DB energy, something which Cell might be able to develop (or could acquire with some modification, as he is a Bio-Android so there is the prospect he could be upgraded)! Additionally Cell could easily develop magical abilities thanks to his Namekian cells so if DB energy sensing is magic based he could still develop such an ability! Mind you the question is would he even resort to such methods!
After all given the influence of Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, & Frieza cells on his personality, it wouldn't be surprising if Cell just decided to train himself to get stronger & given his pride when it comes to seeing himself as the perfect life form, him training to achieve greater power and/or achieve his full potential would make far more logical sense! Mind you I agree, Cell has an insane amount of potential which is why I believe they made Cell Max more of a mindless monster, as had he an actual personality like the original Cell, he would have been far more dangerous due to his size & knowledge of the failures of his predecessor! Still I wonder if Cell Max had already achieved his own version of Super Saiyan God based upon his coloration which is similar to Genome's God Class-up in SDBH which causes his body to turn red & acts as the Bio-Android's equivalent of Super Saiyan God which is also achieved by Saiyan Avaters via God Class-up, while Genome's Super God Class-up is his equivalent of the Saiyan's Super Saiyan Blue which Saiyans achieve via Super God-class up)! Mind you its hard to tell as its possible his coloration was painted on as body is implied to be grey underneath (though that could just be due to the nature of the damage inflicted by Gamma 2's Core Breaker)!
Damn you wrote a whole book.😂
Imagine if Cell Trained For Ten Or 20 Years
He will Far Surpass All Angels
He could create severalCell Jrs,, and use them to unlock the god form. And, he could potentially throw Kaio-ken, the great ape form and Piccolo’s size increase over top of it all.
They could've brought him back instead of Frieza but I get bringing Frieza back because of deep history there
He is not popular that much in japan
All he honestly need is his best friend Kermit the frog
Fight me..... Fight me..... Fight me..... Fight me..... Fight me..... Fight me..... Fight me..... Fight me..... Fight me.....
-Rex
@@Kakarot64.His heavy voice will be replaced by a voice actor to fight against the AI apocalypse
He’s just cracked, my guy
Cell was a lab monster without a soul so there's nothing to revive, it's like trying to find the source of composite malware; it doesn't exist
Cell has a soul.He was shown to be watching the battle between Goku and kid buu from hell
@@madhurikumari8937
That was non-canon filler
Time travel my man. That easy.
@@mr.knightthedetective7435It's still official media, meaning it's more likely than not.
Bro could be all forms in one
Don’t be retarded
If Cell were to ever come back I would hope that he would achieve a new form that removes his spots(because we all know they were hell on the animators). Imagine if Cell were to absorb either of the Gammas. It'd be really interesting if he absorbed Gamma 2s broken body and it kind of soft resurrected Gamma 2 by merging his personality with Cell's to turn them into a sort of combined neutral character, or maybe like an anti hero/villain.
Golden form + SSJ … man I would love to see Cell with some crazy mixes of all the transformations
He is smart enough enough to build a radar.
Plot armor : Is that so?
Toriyama: Never bring Cell back. He was your perfect, self-contained villain that was such a threat at the time that it would be a dishoner bringing him back.
I haven't finished this yet, but i think buu Saga wouldn't still happen 7 years later and would be more along the lines of when future trunks had his.
The Gohan Cell beam struggle and energy out put before and during that is what attracted Bibadi in the first place. So without the power output of SSJ2 Gohan and Mr. Super Perfect Cell, they dont make the long-distance accidental call to the worm that wants to summon Buu. So Buu saga has to take the long way around.
And like i said before, i haven't finished the video yet, That would also mean no SSJ3 Goku, or he would at least get it a lot later since he doesnt do the other world training and has never seen what SSJ2 even looks like when done correctly
Cell needs to absorb people if he were to get a gold or black form