Maximizing Work Envelope by Machining Removable Tool Setter
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- Опубліковано 18 бер 2024
- CNC machining a REMOVABLE Tool Probe on SYIL X5. Machinists everywhere want to maximize the available space on their machine tables. But need to also touch off their tools. Jessie designed a solution in Solidworks and machined a prototype using Kennametal, Mitutoyo, Schunk, and Haimer tooling.
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It's nice to see the Titans do something more simple just for convenience, I absolutely love the big parts and videos, but this trade is a variety if nothing else!
I really like the longer style machining videos! Way to go!
Wow the X5 handled these parts beautifully! Very nice work Jessie, great design and execution!
Looks good. The user is going to have to clean the crap off both surfaces before each usage though.
Also, those magnates are going to attract chips like crazy.
Still a worth while upgrade. Great job.
Exactly. This would be great running anything non magnetic such as aluminum or graphite, but regular old steel would not be ideal. I used to run plate jobs on mag tables and booooy let me tell you, they're a pain. 120 psi of direct air was not enough to keep chips from sticking down inside pockets and busting tools when they hit a big pile.
I think I'd 3d print a cover that will sit below the part the took setting is attached to that will go down below and cover the part that is mounted to the machine
Just to say, from a long time viewer, it's one of your best video from lately. Keep up !
Nice simple DIY version of a kinematic base. Look forward to more convenience/improvement content like this.
Awesome simple solution Jessie. Need all the extra space you can when working with smaller machines!
Great video, love the ones with the crazy chips too, but fun to see an innovative project start to finish on a machine you can get at home
I came for the vulgarity I stayed for the precision. Problem, idea , execution, problem solved, feels great! Good job.
Awesome video Jessie and Tyler! It's incredible what this machine can do
Genuinely one of my favourite videos from you guys. Love it!
This design is great, but it is technically over-constrained. With four lobes, you introduce a sort of rocking along your perpendicular axes if your mating surfaces are any less than perfect.
Three lobes would make for a proper kinematic coupling, increasing your stability and repeatability with less strict tolerances required on the final part.
I've worked with Thorlabs 3 point magnetic kinematic bases, however they never really seem to hold anything securely since it's quite easy to knock them loose. (or maybe Thorlabs should use heavier magnets, they're initially meant for optics after all)
Thats shurly the most satisfying clicking sound ever. The sound of a job well done!
Great idea for a simple part and something very useful! Great video!
@Titans of CNC that part with Jessie taking off and on the tool setter in fast forward seems like the fastest he's worked 🤣.
@Jessie sorry buddy, I couldn't resist that one. You did a wicked job on those parts and they made very logical sense to me (one who isn't a machinist). It would be cool if you did a video on how you came up with the design on the computer, don't know about anyone else, but that is always a interesting aspect of things, not just making the part which is always super cool.
Keep up the awesome work you guys do, always looking forward to seeing what comes out next.
Beautiful executions - as always!
Real Deal Steel Jessie! Great video on solving problems!
Awesome work Jessie!
Great video Jessie!
I was just thinking about making a removable toolsetter mount along these lines, to drop into the Saunders fixture plate on my Tormach. Great minds think alike!
Check out nerdly...he did just that.
It's awesome getting to watch you at work.
Awesome video Jessie, I loved it. The removable base is a stroke of genius, and I'd totally buy one with my machine (when the time comes). Ciao, Marco.
Great Idea, sometimes the simplest things just seem to work the best
Enjoyed that; thanks Jessie!👍😁
Exact Engineering has sold something like this for a few years. I have one on my Haas OM-2A, which is an even smaller machine, so having the tool setter removable was very important.
Thanks for the info. Going to buy one today.
Hi John, thank you for your purchase! I saw your video aligning the tool probe mount at an angle, clever use of g-code!
Great video. Print a cover for the table mount so magnetic chips don’t clog up the magnets.
This is what it's all about... using tools and tradecraft to bootstrap productivity 👌Very cozy video.
Great video. Great parts. I recently got the same machine and tool setter. Learning how to use it with the acedemy. Would definetly like that on my machine. Thank you.
Very nice, I have the X7 and am doing this for sure, another reason for me will be to keep the tool setter away from coolant and chips when not necessary.
Lovely job. Thats a great way of getting the most out of a smaller table. It seams likely that ferrous swarf could stick to the magnets on the mount though.
Thanks Jessie, one of the best videos you guys have done in a long time. Back to basics, well presented, that was great. X5 handled the steel well.
Any chance this part can be downloaded as a CAD file?
Very nice design and machining, bravo
I think it's a great idea and I totally want one, guess I'll have to make me one. Thanks for what you guys do
Loving this content! 👍 Keep it going!
Love the idea, super cool
Like this video so much 👌 not difficult and you describe everything you do- that’s awesome to compare for middle skills Machinist to check ourselves 👌
Please, make more videos like that!
Great innovation Jessie its already paid for its self
Very nice! Well executed as expected from Jessie 😁.
The only Fly in the ointment are the magnets in case you want to murdering some steel. I see a lot of chips attaching to your tool setter. Small little disadvantage
Bingo! Nicely done.
Nice add-on!
You should offer these as an option for the machines! 😊
Very cool idea!!!
Such a great idea such a great machine and such a great video..I enjoy the whole video.
Great idea! However this design is subject to repeatability loss from surface deformations and wear due to over-constraint. For this application an exact constraint kinematic mount is best. Kinematic mounts remove exactly 6 degrees of freedom, no more, no less. When properly implemented, they don't suffer the repeatability issues associated with over-constraint. Two classic kinematic mount types are the Maxwell and Kelvin. For the same reasons expressed in this video, we designed and ultimately patented a Maxwell type kinematic de-mountable tool probe mount that will repeat to a few microns or less. Check out our system if you dont want to build your own.
I'm interested to know how much wear you'd expect from replacing this a few times a year while it's made of a fairly hard steel
@@iDiveDOTtvIts hard to say how long it will last due to the uncertainty of the contacting surfaces and how they are removing each degree of freedom. If all surfaces are in perfect contact (not possible) it would likely probably last forever. However, in this design, there's too many surfaces competing for final alignment, hence over-constrained. What makes kinematic mounts so incredibly repeatable is the constraint surfaces are discrete and exactly constrained. Am not saying Jessie's design cannot be made to work, it just needs to be as, or more repeatable than the tool probe, (which btw uses a kinematic mount for the stylus deflection). Hope this answers your question.
Really nice idea, but be careful with small chips. They can hang on the magnet. But the idea is really good. Love it
A good way to touch off parts on the second side would be just touch on the Parallels themself (or on the Vices Ways), in my opinion its a foolproof way to do it. Same with touching off Y- on the Vices Fixed Jaw, since thats where the part will land up anyway. (Unless your part is Warped ofc)
Great video. And a great holder design with some clever features. Please share CAD if possible. Looks like a nice project.
just bought the same thing from exact engineering, was thinking of making one too just to do it, this may have sealed the deal on that.
thank you for your purchase!
It was so satisfying that I can get you more juice for tapping :)
If you need a sharper knife just talk to Keith. I was already in touch with him about sending you guys some of my Gil-Tek RUKs which are razor blades to use around the shop.
Heck yeah!!!!!
that would be awesome! I am a knife fan myself, you can never have too many!
@@Jessie_Smith
@barrysetzer Right now as we speak I am currently working on a new folding knife. Once I get them done I will have to send one to you as well. But just talk to Keith, He has my contact info and I will get some out to you guys. Made In America and veteran owned!
Great Job. I would love one for my X7. One of my biggest fears is losing the probe tip due to chip wrap while drilling.
Great prototype
That’s a nifty idea. I’d like to have one for my machines at work.
Thx Jessie. Great job. I always enjoy your videos, I for one, appreciate it 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻. I’ve search and cannot find do happen to have a video on that shunk vice system your using for this project?
Отличная идея. Спасибо. Много интересного нашел на вашем канале.
Great Idea!
Real true usefull video. Nice.
Just make a nice mountingplate for 6 Unilock 0 point clampingsystem. Gone with the bolts and the indicating if a vice sits square and so forth..
an aluminium plate with two knobs to mount the toolsetter on..
makes life so much easier
I’d print a chip shield so that chips don’t stick to the magnets every time it’s on there. Or redesign it so that the magnets are more recessed and shielded from chips sticking.
I built a different design base for my X7 tool setter. I do not have a regular need to remove the tool setter (but I can) but the original position takes up too much table space. I see that your tool setter could be moved in the Y direction. The edge of the setter base can be moved in the Y direction so that it is about 10mm from the table edge. My base raised the tool setter by 60mm as the X7 cannot measure very short tools with the original configuration. Also a design improvement/requirement is to relocate the mounting bolt. Additionally I moved it to the left outside the tool setter base. This way the tool setter can be moved as an assembly without interfering with its calibration. Moving it back into position is easy as there is a calibration program that re-establishes the position of the tool setter. In summary move tool setter in Y direction, raise the setter and use a single hold down bolt outside of the tool setter to the left in the dead zone. (If a job interferes with the tool setter just slide it to the left within the dead zone.) There is about 150mm of unused table space on both ends outside the machining envelope in the X direction. Traditionally the vice is mounted in the Y direction. With my 4th axis permanently fitted, I find it easier to quickly mount a 100mm vice on centreline in the X direction. (I still have the option of fitting my 150mm vice in the Y direction.) As the 100mm vice has a longitudinal key that fits into the center slot, re-traming the vice is not necessary. This may be an option for your X7. Cheers
That's slick 👍
Beautiful
Enjoyed the longer content but for me magnets are no go. Never be able to keep the chips from sticking. I think using a cam-lock would be a better solution.
9:16 I fainted when I heard “mm”.😂 love from India 😊
Great job.…
Would also be great if you put the calibration procedure as it wasn't obvious with my X5. Thanks
this is dope
These guys need to do a collab with inheretance machining
nice to see how they get scared of tapping in a mill. (could of just used coolant for almost any size tap and slowed the speed to 20 sfm and calc the feed) this is my basic starter recommended for a 1/2 tap. this was not a diss on them. I enjoy the videos they make.
I can't believe you let your Haimer run in that tool changer. Potentially getting coolant and chips, as well as slinging around.
i love cNC
I see one disadvantage - the base is not protected against dirt and mechanical damage. I suggest adding a fourth element - a plug.
I could definitely use one in my haas mills vf 4 and vf 5
Now you have a product already!!
Loved watching the video. I would love to make one for my cnc machine. Is there a way we can purchase the program from you. I want to prove to my guys that solid carbide endmills is the way to go. And they speed at which we should be working
I definitely need this for my X7. Are you going to upload the plans?
We tap down to m2.5(diameter 1/10 inch) in our machines, atleast in aluminium. But M4 and lower are dubious. If you take several passes and there are chips left, you're pretty screwed. Once it's dialed in and you run with the drills in the upper diameter tolerance, it's mostly fine. Not in 3d printed stuff though. That stuff is HELL to tap.
That would be awesome to have!! See but a .0001" repeatability is spectacular!! Especially when you consider the price of the machine! Will mine be ready for pickup by May 2nd????👀👀👀
Lo que veo es como seria esta nueva pieza ya cuando esta trabajando, ¿Le caera alguna basura o alguna rebaba, o alguno otra cosa?, que dañe el mecanismo, sabemos que si esta limpio no habra problema, pero si se quita o si le cae basura a los imanes sera muy dificil quitar la rebaba. Pero el trabajo esta muy bien realizado. Good job
Great Device! You should sell them.
Mine is like an triangle, has 2 magnets far outside of the worktable where the base is, a 3rd leg with a adjusment screw is on the worktablesurface. This triangle has an good repeatprecision. On top of this triangle, inside the workarea, the tool length sensor is located. In your configuration it is theoretical possible to reach your base with an 2 inch shell mill. If something is theoretical possible, it will happen sure. Unlucky your maschines wont fit in my workshop.. So i have to use smaller Maschines with multi purpose functions.
Damn, those Schunk vices are Sexy. I'm still a big fan of how modular they are, and I'm considering asking my boss if we can invest in a set to use with our UMC1000.
Awesome sale going on with a lot of Schunk products right now on our online store so if you are going to do it, now would be a great time! They are amazing products.
The Schunk vises will definitely spoil you. Especially the ones with the built in torque mechanism.
@@trevorgoforth8963 @Jessie_Smith I'm really tempted, but our first priority at our shop is to finish moving in to our new location and finish setting up. If we get our five axis running before the sale ends, I'm definitely going to ask for a pair of them!
I think it would be great if you encapsulate the magnets instead of having them exposed. That way you don't have to worry about them corroding over time and it's easier to clean the chips off if they get stuck to the magnets.
Great idea, but what about the swarf getting stuck to it and playing havoc with the repeatability of it?
self centering, magnets, i had to laugh cos i had a problem that i solved the same way, just a week ago, very nice Sir. Die Teile sehen echt Geil aus. Keep it up. How much clearance did you give the magnets to the counter surface. I have been having serious discussions on that, trying to simulate that on SW.
love it, but i think the magnets are going to be a problem. would suck to have to take them out to clean them out everytime other than that, its pretty solid!
It would be a good video on how to calibrate that tool setter.
I've had nice ideas like this using magnets exactly like those. Unfortunately eventually, and it is inevitable, you will get metal dust and micro chips on those magnets/ part, which is why i don't enjoy using them any longer. if it was electro magnetic it would be a different story.
Question, being a newbie to CNC, could you have made the middle section thicker to space the tool setter up higher to clear things like vices?
I like that magnetic setter, but what about swarf? Doesn't it catch a lot of it and make it weird to clean? I was also thinking about the sharp chips may scratch/damage the adapter on table. Is it going to be an issue?
Do you think chips are going to attach to the wall mounted one and then stick to the bottom of the presetter when you go to put it on the table one? or even chips magnetizing to the table one?
Do y’all plan on releasing the CAD files for this? This would be a killer addition
hey in DOF perspective that's still over constrained, why don't you use kinematics mount with 3 balls and 6 pins or 3 v groove so it has perfect constrain, you can use one magnet at the middle?
I originally designed this so the locating features can be ground to size after heat treating the parts. making them like this would allow you to put them in a straight line against a shoulder and send the grinding wheel all the way down the parts. I realize a 3 point feature would suffice in restraining all axes of freedom but would make it more difficult to grind. I have seen the designs you are talking about with the pins and the locating balls and I was also trying to come up with something that could be made all on these machines without much input in case we want to share these files with others that may want to make one for themselves. I never said this was the perfect design and I know it isn't but it worked well and it was simple to produce.
I would suggest some 3D printed covers for those to keep them clean
Good idea but for a small machine i think it's better to preset tools. On machine tool setters are very convinient but you loose spindle time
If you ground the mating surfaces, would that get you the tenth in repeatability?
Will there be a video of the x,y repeatability???
That’s the first time I’ve seen a vice without tool marks in it
17:13 haha that killed me 😂
May have to watch for chips sticking to the magnets but otherwise, very nice.
is the lack of lubricant only for the video or is it something that you guys actually do, because the tools must be pipping hot afterwards