@@platin2148 got to check them out in person, everything in the machines seems very easy to get to including spindle. I mainly looked at the x7 but it looked like you could take some of the top sheet metal off and take the spindle out from the side. Would love to see a video on how to actually do it though
@@platin2148 I don't think TOCNC stocks them in house though, pretty sure all the spare parts come from the Syil HQ in Houston. But yeah I agree they should have some stock imo, especially the little things that will go bad sooner rather than later i.e. capacitive sensors
@@donnelson8121 Look at the old spindle, it looks brand new, this is just a demonstration. Having to work with HAAS, DN Solutions, Okuma, and Matsuura, I'd rather have the Heller over HAAS. HAAS is good for startups/small shops or to be replaced on a yearly bases otherwise they're too much of a headache compared to any other brand.
@@donnelson8121 Unless you are joking such a statement is assinine How on earth could someone seriously compare a Hass to a Heller? also it takes a reaaly gigantic error to damage a Heller spindle. even a normal run of the mill crash is not going to damage it in the slightest. [ a crash that would totally wreck a Hass spindle ]
I have seen HAAS techs "pull out" the spindle on VMC and put it back in to inspect it and there is something to be said for a cartridge-style spindle. Even if you needed a tech to do the swap, the ability to yeet the old one out and yeet the new one in is going to save a lot of time for the shop and give them a good chance at staying afloat! Here's to Barry and snapping spindles ;-)
I was all prepared to call BS on how long it would take but that design is pretty neat. We had our Service techs replace the spindle in one of our Doosan 5100s and it took them a day. (And then had to come back as the CTS developed a leak from the valve in the back of the spindle!)
@@kevind1865 Do you fear it could move while you are in there? Do you lock out a machine when changing a part? Looks to me that the spindle he is changing is not the motor, it has no electrical connections. Therefore it is a safe operation to perform like that in my opinion.
Every production shop should know how to work in their own machines. Half of my cncs are production cncs and you better believe I will work in or change anything I have to to keep them going. Part of a good owner or manager over a production department is learning the ins and outs to be the man to keep it all going. That’s when your worth starts to become invaluable to a company.
I don’t mean to be that guy, Barry, but they need to fuse a plastic bushing to the tip of the jacking bolts that remove the spindle, just a little advice from a guy that’s done a lot of bearing removal/install, I know replacing a spindle is a rare occurrence but you don’t wanna be marring the machine.
I believe in having an extra spindle in stock. I ask all my machine suppliers, "do you have an extra spindle I can buy." I also ask about their service. Brother machine tools with Yamazen are my ideal machine and service providers.
I love YAMAZEN forty years ago we bought an MV-80 They did more good to keep us in business I can't say enough to praise YAMAZEN. Even through moving our shop they were there see the machine on the truck off the truck installed and running never a bill unbelievable. My father made me sign the check for that machine. It was between Mattsura and Moriseki the people at mattsura said no matter what Mori does they were going to beat their price. I was young my father had no idea what we were buying but it cost a fortune. He never did business with the bank always cash. Boys at Mattsura were devastated to say the least I'm surprised they did not commit seppuku right there on the shop floor. I loved my Moriseki and YAMAZEN. Best service we ever got from any machine tool dealer.
Thank you for your comment. The Yamazen salesman made a house visit, and personally ran through all the details when selling us the machine. My wife was more than impressed. I have talked with at least 10 different machine suppliers none of them even bothered to make a house visit let alone sell my wife on buying a machine. Brother machine tools are the fastest, and the most power efficient machines on the market. The power savings that can be had with a brother can add up to $5k a year with one shift. A possible $10k for a double shift. This is not including the time savings in making the part faster. A max 9.5kva power draw means you won't possibly flip a city breaker like the school did next door with their Haas VF2. Our city has problems. 2 5-axis U500 Brothers can be feed with one feeedio robot and still draw less power than a single HAAS.
I remember experiencing my first screw up it wasn’t my fault but scared me pretty good had a tombstone tip over inside a dmg mori nhx4000 that thing landed on the spindle and messed up the whole inside pretty darn good lol
"Supply chain issues" nice way of saying. we don't make anything and have to wait on our masters from China to send us stuff when they get around to it. Thanks for that DC!
Thats on greedy corpos producing where its the cheapest, thanks to globalization and capitalism. So jokes on you, aint the guys in DC alone who are responsible for that shit...
I was in charge of a Mori-Seki FMS system, we were machining transmission bell and extension housings. I had an operator running one side of the line while I was doing some tool insert changes on the other. Well, I heard this God almighty GRRRRR noise, followed by a BANG, then silence. I ran around to see what happened and opening the door on machine A, I could see the tool was WAY deeper into the material than it should have been. I don't know HOW he did it, but the dude managed to an extension housing into the fixture backwards, got the hold down clamps to close, and the fixture to set up. The spindle spun up to cutting speed and pranged into the part at full rapid speed. Destroyed the spindle. And took MONTHS to get a new one shipped from Japan. The operator got bounced around a bit after that and was let go next available opportunity.
Impressive and I hope the spindle was replaced to make a video not out of necessity otherwise I would be worried here 😂. How much is the heller replacement spindle for?
@@bazwabat1 you have no feel with a steel hammer, if its crooked it will go in, deforming the hole, it can also easily crack the threaded part of the pin (inner thread)
Did you have to touch up the spindle orientation at all? We have multiple MCH 350s and spindle orientation has to be set every time we change a spindle. I'm seeing a geared drive on the spindle, most of ours have love joy Union's.
Only 60 newton meter ? ( never changed a spindle myself btw ) And there I though it would be at least as hard as we had to as with out mk6 to capto c8 toolholder adapter witch is about 150 Newton meter but then agen the adapter only had one bolt well the spindle have 10 Well you lean something new every day
If you install the spindle in the same orientation as it was when you removed it, It will be at the same orientation and no adjustment is necessary. Of course you always do a check to make sure.
They're a educational youtube channel. nothing visibily wrong with the old one he took out, if they actually broke a it we'd be seeing video of how Barry crashed first lol.
I would have been much slower on turning the bolt that brings the new spindle into position. However I have built injection molds and have experience with hyper precision mechanical seals and many other features of mold making that you can not smash the metals together when disassembling and pressure of threads can create when any resistance is encountered. Cheers earth is flat. No elevation angles to stars can be measured from a curving line and earths surface if a sphere would curve.😊
@@zanderchiasson8064 You've misunderstood my friend spindle does not have the motor in it.Tool is held in the spindle which is driven by the motor which you can't see in the video.If you look carefully there is a gear on the end of the spindle that matches the drive gear in spindle housing driven by a motor behind it.
@@rolandtamaccio3285 Ceramic is "harder" than steel, but is brittle. The bearing races will still be made of steel even on a ceramic bearing, so the benefit of the extra hardness is questionable. If a crash is bad enough to damage conventional precision steel bearings, it's likely bad enough to either crack ceramic bearings or damage the steel races on a ceramic bearing. That said, maybe there's some new all-ceramic magical technology I'm not aware of.
@dwaynesykes694 ,,, that's why I said full ceramic . There are extremely expensive spindle bearings available with races and elements , made with ceramic ,,, !
If you place the new spindle at the same orientation as the one you removed, the reference point will be good. We always double check it, but usually no change is needed.
Cool stuff as always guys. Shame i still haven't gotten a responses to my emails or messages from any of yall up there. In case theres confusion, the email address is the same as my name here. Seems pretty simple. Especially when yall do this kinda thing daily. Looking forward to response some day.
Would love to see to Barry fit inside the SYIL X5 to change the spindle.
The question is can you replace it yourself.. i guess yes?
@platin2148 you can do anything yourself if the need is bad enough
@@platin2148 got to check them out in person, everything in the machines seems very easy to get to including spindle. I mainly looked at the x7 but it looked like you could take some of the top sheet metal off and take the spindle out from the side. Would love to see a video on how to actually do it though
@@animus3d663 I did wonder more if they sell them i guess they do. Yeah should be a thing they do as distributors.
@@platin2148 I don't think TOCNC stocks them in house though, pretty sure all the spare parts come from the Syil HQ in Houston. But yeah I agree they should have some stock imo, especially the little things that will go bad sooner rather than later i.e. capacitive sensors
That Heller spindle is one impressive piece of engineering.....the fixture was well thought out as well.
A spindle bad already ? How could a shop afford to run a heller should bought a Haas
@@donnelson8121 Stop being so obtuse 😩 This is just to show how easy a spindle-repair can be done on a Heller
That fixture is simple but it doesn't really need to be complicated to do it's job. Sometime simple is smart.
@@donnelson8121 Look at the old spindle, it looks brand new, this is just a demonstration.
Having to work with HAAS, DN Solutions, Okuma, and Matsuura, I'd rather have the Heller over HAAS. HAAS is good for startups/small shops or to be replaced on a yearly bases otherwise they're too much of a headache compared to any other brand.
@@donnelson8121 Unless you are joking such a statement is assinine How on earth could someone seriously compare a Hass to a Heller? also it takes a reaaly gigantic error to damage a Heller spindle. even a normal run of the mill crash is not going to damage it in the slightest. [ a crash that would totally wreck a Hass spindle ]
dont forget to check and set spindle orientation!
That was simple and super fast!
Heller has been very thoughtful with the changing tool
Great video Barry!
Awesome engineering there. Get what you pay for still applies.
Man that Heller is one HELL of a machine
i see what you did there
That fixture is genius!
I have seen HAAS techs "pull out" the spindle on VMC and put it back in to inspect it and there is something to be said for a cartridge-style spindle. Even if you needed a tech to do the swap, the ability to yeet the old one out and yeet the new one in is going to save a lot of time for the shop and give them a good chance at staying afloat!
Here's to Barry and snapping spindles ;-)
Wish our company planned this far ahead. Keep up the great work Titans :)
Hope Tony reminded you to open the chiller valves back up after you were done ;)
Nice method sir, to remove and fix the spindle. It takes more person but you remove and fix single handedly...Boom..... 🙏
A bad spindle sounds like a HAAS problem 🤷 That was like watching Barry deliver a baby, good job Barry 😆
Insane spindle. Beautiful🤩
Great video, simple but complex all at the same time. Nice job Barry and Ben
I was all prepared to call BS on how long it would take but that design is pretty neat. We had our Service techs replace the spindle in one of our Doosan 5100s and it took them a day. (And then had to come back as the CTS developed a leak from the valve in the back of the spindle!)
That's was a nice spindle change out
Our Health and Safety team would be having a major freak-out if they seen us in a machine that wasn't locked out.
Literally my first thought. And OSHA's for that matter
Why? If it's in emergency stop...
@@StefanoLinguanotto "Why shouldn't I wave a loaded firearm around? If it has the safety on..."
@@kevind1865 Do you fear it could move while you are in there? Do you lock out a machine when changing a part? Looks to me that the spindle he is changing is not the motor, it has no electrical connections. Therefore it is a safe operation to perform like that in my opinion.
I am quite sure it has a CATEGORY 3 redundant, dual channel safety system
Jes we are Heller. Ouer great Maschin from Germany. 😊
💪
So can Barry add to his resume that he's also a service tech?! 😃 Great video and just another reason Heller is AWESOME!
Now lets dare Barry changing the spindle after doing the one chip challenge
Love it when Barry says boop when the bolt comes out. I do this at work aswell
What an amazing piece of hardware.
Every production shop should know how to work in their own machines. Half of my cncs are production cncs and you better believe I will work in or change anything I have to to keep them going. Part of a good owner or manager over a production department is learning the ins and outs to be the man to keep it all going. That’s when your worth starts to become invaluable to a company.
Okuma tech took 3 full days. And it was warranted
Where i work, the okuma guy took 5 full days, between Internet surfing, lots of coffee and actually doing the job.
I don’t mean to be that guy, Barry, but they need to fuse a plastic bushing to the tip of the jacking bolts that remove the spindle, just a little advice from a guy that’s done a lot of bearing removal/install, I know replacing a spindle is a rare occurrence but you don’t wanna be marring the machine.
I believe in having an extra spindle in stock. I ask all my machine suppliers, "do you have an extra spindle I can buy." I also ask about their service. Brother machine tools with Yamazen are my ideal machine and service providers.
I love YAMAZEN forty years ago we bought an MV-80
They did more good to keep us in business I can't say enough to praise YAMAZEN.
Even through moving our shop they were there see the machine on the truck off the truck installed and running never a bill unbelievable.
My father made me sign the check for that machine.
It was between Mattsura and Moriseki the people at mattsura said no matter what Mori does they were going to beat their price.
I was young my father had no idea what we were buying but it cost a fortune.
He never did business with the bank always cash.
Boys at Mattsura were devastated to say the least I'm surprised they did not commit seppuku right there on the shop floor.
I loved my Moriseki and YAMAZEN.
Best service we ever got from any machine tool dealer.
Thank you for your comment. The Yamazen salesman made a house visit, and personally ran through all the details when selling us the machine. My wife was more than impressed. I have talked with at least 10 different machine suppliers none of them even bothered to make a house visit let alone sell my wife on buying a machine. Brother machine tools are the fastest, and the most power efficient machines on the market. The power savings that can be had with a brother can add up to $5k a year with one shift. A possible $10k for a double shift. This is not including the time savings in making the part faster. A max 9.5kva power draw means you won't possibly flip a city breaker like the school did next door with their Haas VF2. Our city has problems. 2 5-axis U500 Brothers can be feed with one feeedio robot and still draw less power than a single HAAS.
Is Barry available for engine swaps too? Thanks for the video, enjoyed it.
LOL I dont do cars
But you do Grilles for trucks? 😁@@barrysetzer
@@barrysetzergood!
Great video Barry. Informative
Loving the new lid Titan 🔥
7:22 in did we forget tightening sequence?
Step 0. SOP review and lockout/tagout lest the power cycle to the machine and it initiates a homing sequence while sir barry is inside...
Crazy Engineering from Heller!
I remember experiencing my first screw up it wasn’t my fault but scared me pretty good had a tombstone tip over inside a dmg mori nhx4000 that thing landed on the spindle and messed up the whole inside pretty darn good lol
"Supply chain issues" nice way of saying. we don't make anything and have to wait on our masters from China to send us stuff when they get around to it. Thanks for that DC!
Thats on greedy corpos producing where its the cheapest, thanks to globalization and capitalism. So jokes on you, aint the guys in DC alone who are responsible for that shit...
That is a nice set up. Way better than the NTC machines where the stator is part of the spindle...
And you are so great there, good luck to everyone in your endeavors! 👓👓👓
Its a good system, just like kesslers "easy change" spindles.
Great video, Barry! I'm impressed by Heller's versatility. Say hello to Tony for me! 🙂
Hi Sara!!
@@tonymoll6265 Hey Tony! You’re a rockstar!
Love the videos brother
Just wanted to say happy Easter
God bless you and your's k 👍🏻🇨🇦😁
Just saying
I wonder what the price of that replacement spindle is
Music name at 1:30 please
I was in charge of a Mori-Seki FMS system, we were machining transmission bell and extension housings.
I had an operator running one side of the line while I was doing some tool insert changes on the other.
Well, I heard this God almighty GRRRRR noise, followed by a BANG, then silence. I ran around to see what happened and opening the door on machine A, I could see the tool was WAY deeper into the material than it should have been.
I don't know HOW he did it, but the dude managed to an extension housing into the fixture backwards, got the hold down clamps to close, and the fixture to set up. The spindle spun up to cutting speed and pranged into the part at full rapid speed.
Destroyed the spindle. And took MONTHS to get a new one shipped from Japan. The operator got bounced around a bit after that and was let go next available opportunity.
Dang. I dont know anything about CNC and will probably never need to but this is crazy intersting.
Sure, you can do it yourself, but you void any warranty on the replacement parts and the machine from your dealer. Is it worth the risk?
Impressive and I hope the spindle was replaced to make a video not out of necessity otherwise I would be worried here 😂. How much is the heller replacement spindle for?
I'd say at it would be at least 15k but Im just guessing with my lacking knowledge having seen prices on spindles for Mazak and DMG =)
i thought the same thing. why are they replacing a spindle already?
@@innominatum9906 i would be surprised if so buddy. I’ve seen 30k and up… but most we use around here are Japanese.
Can't belive you've used a steel hammer for the dowel pins
Why? Thats how I've removed something like that.
@@bazwabat1 you have no feel with a steel hammer, if its crooked it will go in, deforming the hole, it can also easily crack the threaded part of the pin (inner thread)
Lock out/Tag out! Safety?
To ne, čas jsou peníze.
Impressive this can be done quickly and accurately without banging it up and using large hammers.
How much does this spindle cost? How much does Heller spindle tool cost? Ray
Did you have to touch up the spindle orientation at all? We have multiple MCH 350s and spindle orientation has to be set every time we change a spindle.
I'm seeing a geared drive on the spindle, most of ours have love joy Union's.
2:43 reminds me of the first alien movie doing the self destruct sequence
good video guys
Love replacing robodrill spindles hate doing nakamura spindles
good job bro , its look Very easy to changet but I see you didn't use some grease on oring
No lock out tag out??? Dangerous even if just 2 of you!
That is a brand new machine what was the reason to replace?
It was only done to show how easy it was to replace. There was nothing wrong with the installed spindle.
pretty awesome
Only 60 newton meter ? ( never changed a spindle myself btw )
And there I though it would be at least as hard as we had to as with out mk6 to capto c8 toolholder adapter witch is about 150 Newton meter but then agen the adapter only had one bolt well the spindle have 10
Well you lean something new every day
Why didn't you lube the seals?
3 Weeks !? Never waited longer than 3 days.
Threads hand tight before dowels?
You forgot to mention the price is it scary?
How often do spindles fail on these types of machines? I always thought they would "eventually" fail because of worn out bearing or something
If it took half a day to change out the spindle, it would still be money in the bank!
Did the spindle really go bad already?
No. Just a promo.
I need to know! Did the level get dropped after getting the new spindle in?
Should have show cased the safety of doing something like this. Rapid overridden to lowest setting, E-stop in
What about spindle orientation calibration for tool changes?
If you install the spindle in the same orientation as it was when you removed it, It will be at the same orientation and no adjustment is necessary. Of course you always do a check to make sure.
Why you replaced the spindle? Issues with the bearings?
How did a spindle go down on a 1 year old ish machine is the real question
Boom!
My thoughts exactly. Why are they changing it? Unless its damaged?
@@AlejandroPerez-pu5zc its probably a demo for the heller guys
They're a educational youtube channel. nothing visibily wrong with the old one he took out, if they actually broke a it we'd be seeing video of how Barry crashed first lol.
Ahhh all those Kennametal tools pushing the machine to it's limits.😂🤣
I wonder how this could be solved in a vertical spindle machine
Well engineered. You get what you pay for.
No molly bond used? Titan keep on BOOMING on
Where did this spindle removal tool come from?
where is the o-ring between spindle and face mount for your coolant????!!!!
on the spindle , nice ;)
Yes, the the coolant that sprays around the tool. It's M8 coolant.
I would have been much slower on turning the bolt that brings the new spindle into position. However I have built injection molds and have experience with hyper precision mechanical seals and many other features of mold making that you can not smash the metals together when disassembling and pressure of threads can create when any resistance is encountered. Cheers earth is flat. No elevation angles to stars can be measured from a curving line and earths surface if a sphere would curve.😊
Why not it's a tangent then.
"suppy chain issues" i tend to call it "companies not caring about their customers as much as they used to"
So easy, even a caveman (or Barry) can do it!! 🤣
LOL Tony
Make sure and hit the e-stop.
What kinda wrench did you use snap on blue point I use to do spindle repairs for a company near me
Barry, no digital read out 12" level? So it can be 0.0 accurate. 😂😂 Great job. I wonder how much the removal jig costs.
Did u need to reset spindle orient position?
Thanks !!!
What exactly does the spindle do? Is it the drive motor and tooling mount or is it just the tooling mount?
Both it acts as the tool “holder” and drive motor
@@marycoday631 got it, looked a little small for some reason for the power they put out but I guess that’s just modern electric motors for you
@@zanderchiasson8064 You've misunderstood my friend spindle does not have the motor in it.Tool is held in the spindle which is driven by the motor which you can't see in the video.If you look carefully there is a gear on the end of the spindle that matches the drive gear in spindle housing driven by a motor behind it.
@@mehmettemel8725 so the spindle then is simply the tool holder?
@@zanderchiasson8064 in this case it is.
If full ceramic bearings we are talking quite a few thousand dollar$ ,,, ?
Not ceramic bearings.
Ceramic bearings aren't actually good.
@@dwaynesykes694 ,,, please explain . I've been told they can survive a crash ? ,,, Although I am skeptical ,,, !
@@rolandtamaccio3285 Ceramic is "harder" than steel, but is brittle. The bearing races will still be made of steel even on a ceramic bearing, so the benefit of the extra hardness is questionable.
If a crash is bad enough to damage conventional precision steel bearings, it's likely bad enough to either crack ceramic bearings or damage the steel races on a ceramic bearing.
That said, maybe there's some new all-ceramic magical technology I'm not aware of.
@dwaynesykes694 ,,, that's why I said full ceramic . There are extremely expensive spindle bearings available with races and elements , made with ceramic ,,, !
Did you reset up reference position axes after changing spindle?
If you place the new spindle at the same orientation as the one you removed, the reference point will be good. We always double check it, but usually no change is needed.
Havin a extra Spindle is not cheap..... have not a spare Spindle at Hand in need... ohh boy now its gettin rly expensive.
slidehammer...we call it "wichser" (wanker) :D
Where is that spindle removal jig from?
It is custom made by Heller for this configuration.
Now do it for the mynx... 😂 we've recently done it with our mynx 9500.... you're deff not doing that one my hand 😂
never heard threaded rod called "allthread" interesting.
It’s a common phrase for threaded rod.
This happens when you push the machine to the limits and upload "never done before" UA-cam videos 😢
Cool stuff as always guys.
Shame i still haven't gotten a responses to my emails or messages from any of yall up there. In case theres confusion, the email address is the same as my name here. Seems pretty simple. Especially when yall do this kinda thing daily. Looking forward to response some day.
what is the job of orings?
The o-rings are for the porting on the spindle for the coolant that sprays around the tool. This is M8 coolant.
Hes broken alot but never changed a spindle XDDD
I still don't really understand how the spindles actually work
Bearings... really fancy bearings.
Every time I watch these videos there is nothing happening in the background. Machines sitting idle. Do you not have any work?
I’m pretty sure it’s for filming purposes. I mean a cnc workshop can get pretty darn loud
How about spindle change on other machine... aside from Heller 😅
"Press" The pins back in, with a hammer lol
Any oil on the O-rings before pushing it in?
This is awesome
Yes, always a light coat of oil.
this is much easier than changing an iPhone battery