Has the FAA ended sport pilot, amateur built and ultralight flight instruction? | Big FAA Fail
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- By trying to force an issue with one flight training operation in Florida, the FAA managed to get a ruling that simply states that a whole lot of flight instructors can’t earn a living by flight instructing.
We are going to talk about what this means for flight instructors for experimental and amateur aircraft owners, ‘regular flight instructors’, sport pilot instructors, and even paramotor flight instructors.
In a June 4th letter from the FAA, a new policy was announced by the FAA aligning the recent Warbird Adventures decision with 91.319 and defining flight instruction as “carrying persons or property for compensation or hire.” This reverses historic FAA guidance and also 8900.1 which defines flight instruction as “educational.”
A tip of the hat to the EAA, AOPA, GAMA, FSANA, NATA, ICAS, HAI, NBAA, SAFE and NAFI for joining together to correct this issue.
USUA and LAMA have both addressed the Sport Pilot flight instructor component of the issue.
The Light Aircraft Manufacturers Association can be found at lama.bz.
The United States Ultralight Association can be found at usua.org
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This ruling will take us back to the days of the self-trained ultralight pilot.
I have been saying for awhile that bad FAA rules are dangerous. Because if something makes zero sense to pilots, the easier it is to ignore. And then if one FAA rule is ignored, it is easier for pilots to ignore other FAA rules.
Funny you say that....check out my most recent video. (self taught)
The USUA and the USHGA were doing pretty good at self regulation and were permitted by the FAA to do so. Then they invited the government into these organizations. Now look where we are at.
Nope. It will take us back to where it belongs. A few oddballs and volunteers.
If you don't like rules, find another sport that doesn't have them. Oh yeah. That's exactly none. LOL Even bowling and golf have rules.
Literally bought a 1/10th share of an EAB RV-12 last month to begin my transition training from Army Blackhawk Helicopter to Fixed Wing Private Pilot. Looks like I now own an airplane I can't fly. Thanks FAA! 👌
It's pretty frustrating. However, the FAA is proposing a sort-of solution. I'm putting together a video on it this weekend.
@@EasyFlight Our club just submitted the LODA application. Who knows how long it'll take it to be approved. In the meantime, I'll have to put my training on pause if this new policy is signed into effect on Monday. Not like flight training is a use/lose skill and is expensive to lose or anything. 🤦
Compensation or hire is referring to a passenger or cargo moved from point A to point B for money. Flight instruction operations have always been flight instruction and not considered for compensation or hire.
The FAA seems to have changed their mind with little to no notice.
I was rather upset when The FAA destroyed Ultralight Fixed wing instruction by creating Sport Pilot.
I'm now getting ready to take Sport Pilot Lessons and now what the hell?
I hope everything gets fixed. I was wanting to get Sport Pilot and then Sport Pilot Instructor so I could Train Ultralight and Sport Pilot students.
I would not change my plans if I were you.
I suspect by now that the FAA knows what kind of mess they created and are motivated to clean it up.
By all means, get back into the sky!
There is no shortcut to becoming a flight instructor. It takes 100's of hours in real aircraft. Just deal with that fact and then decide.
Great job covering that! I was just talking with the flight school I got my Sport Pilot Cert from about CFI with Sport Pilot Privilege and how, up until this ruling, the FAA made it clear that Sport CFI's were being compensated for teaching, not for flying, which was specifically to get around the whole 61.315(c) mess. Having worked for various levels of government for over 30 years, I am sure of a couple of things: 1. the FAA will come up with language that directly contradicts other rules that didn't change & 2. the rules will be just as impossible to follow as they currently are. Besides that, I'm shocked that CFI's haven't revolted against the Commercial Pilot Cert & Class II Medical requirement when a Sport Pilot CFI needs none of the above (or needed none of the above) for doing the same job (with restrictions).
The contradictions in rules and selective enforcement are two of my biggest gripes with the agency.
There is no such thing as a Sport Pilot Certified Instructor. There just isn't.
I have been considering sport CFI gyroplane, and you have explained the conflict that this ruling exposes. I have been expecting to train in my own experimental aircraft, which had a loda when I was learning to fly it before I bought it. Lots of things in this ruling that could make it unfeasible to pursue this.
If you have a LODA in place, you may be OK.
It's a hassled to get one, but it is what allows you to train in an experimental.
The only problem may be that the LODA doesn't transfer with the machine.You definitely want to check that out!
Thanks so much for the update. Keep up the great work. Have a great 4th
Thanks, Don! I did have a good 4th. Thanks for the support!
That was really good, I also just watched Trent’s videos on his problems with the FAA. In Australia it’s CASA Who is Big Brother.
So when I first read the EAA announcement I thought this was only going to be an aircraft problem that didn’t effect me since I train in an SLSA. Now I’m even more confused. So it’s not only a experimental aircraft problem it’s also a instruction without a commercial license problem. Man, whoever decided to pursue that flight school really stepped in it.
Actually, it seems like both the FAA and the warbird school got hard-headed. It's a shame that they couldn't have negotiated a better solution for both parties and the rest of us.
The long-term loss seems to be for sport pilot students and instructors.
@@EasyFlight wouldn’t you agree the current situation is untenable? What do we need a mosaic and/or the entire light sport division if this is the new reality? I’m going to just keep doing whAt I have always done in my SLSA. However, I don’t trust our current FAA to not come after me if I have an incident. I’m not sure I could of written a more compelling script about government idiocy. Why can’t they just admit they screwed up and put out an advisory that we will not enforce any action based on flight training without a commercial certificate or flight training in customer owned experimental for the next 12 months while we clean up this mess. Finally, I wonder if the FAA is going to approve the LODA for the warbirds school:)
@@jasonledbetter459 Yes, it's rather stupid that the Government wouldn't want pilots to be able to train in planes they are going to fly.
The current situation is completely insane. FAA regulations are full of contradictions, which makes enforcing them a joke.
That warbirds school is moving to a different state. Hopefully they'll find a friendlier FSDO there!
Thank you for the really good informative video. Much appreciation. :)
You're very welcome! Thanks for watching!
Thank you
Really good information. Thanks. SUBSCRIBED.
Thanks! This is kind of a big deal for the entire industry and sport. Thanks for checking it out!
At age 63 I am heading to the testing center to take my Sport Pilot written, followed by Sport Pilot instruction and, hopefully in a few week after, to obtain my Sport Pilot License. According to the flight school, they are proceeding with instruction despite all this confusion. Wish me luck.
Good luck! Sounds like you found one of the good schools!
Seems an added problem is FAA has made it illegal to obtain transition training in an experimental aircraft. Absolutely stupid.
For some reason, the FAA keeps piling on. It is becoming very alarming to pilots and the industry.
Woah 🤯 good stuff I like the background footage.
Thanks so much! I enjoy sharing parts of the flying. I was hoping it would make the talking part a little better!
what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. I have seen part 103 ultralights with 12-gallon fuel tanks and everyone including FAA turned a blind eye.
You are right to a point. But the FAA isn't turning a blind eye. Normally the FAA isn't staffed to visit every fly-in and airport with the intent to roust ultralight pilots.
Really not a problem. Got my LODA in less than 48 hours, got my Flight Review on time. Instructor got a LODA too. They made it very, VERY easy to get a LODA for flight instruction in your EAB or someone else's. An easy bridge until they can come up with a new rule that actually says what they want it to mean. Take a deep breath and fly on.
That is great news! Does the LODA allow you to receive training in Phase 1, too?
@@EasyFlight The LODA can cover you and your own EAB aircraft to give type transition training in. As far as instruction in phase I. I do not think so unless you could prove that both you and your instructor are necessary for the flight. Unlikely for most EABs
So it worked great for you therefore it's not a problem? What about with me local FAA office gets hit with 10 or 20 of these requests per day?
Might be wrong, but the fAA seems... weird. I got an Rc airplane awhile back and I remember being shocked that I had to register it with the FAA, give them $5, and put my registration number on the plane. It isn't unreasonable or anything, the weird part is that you can buy a 103 compliant ultralight and fly it without any registration, training, experience, etc. Why do they need to know about my 1.1 meter wingspan Rc plane, but not a 103 compliant plane?
FAA= “we’re not happy until you’re not happy”
FAA laid an egg when it limited Part 103 ultralight aircraft to single person occupancy. How does one arrange for flight training in single seat aircraft? Canada allows for two seats, and so should FAA.
In the worst case scenario, couldn't sport pilot instructors say the fees charged for training are only for ground school and training materials, but the flying time is "free"?
Things like that have been tried unsuccessfully in the past in the ultralight world.
"Buy this $100 hat and you get a free ultralight flight."
Jest proste i skuteczne. Dla kogoś, kto umie jeździć na motocyklu, będzie to kolejna płaszczyzna do opanowania: w górę i w dół. Prawo i lewo, szybko i wolno. 3D, motocykl 2D :) Jest to bardzo proste latać. Jeśli konstrukcja jest lekka, prosta w budowie i przejrzysta, to konstruktor rowerów z pomocą silnika od kosiarki, śmigła i żony, która uszyje mu skrzydło. Jeśli nie ma takich warunków, to warto zapłacić za to urządzenie.
Dzięki za oglądanie!
Proszę nie każ żonie zszywać baldachimu! 😃
I am building a part 103 kolb ultrastar to learn to fly in utah .
I have never in my life been given control of any air craft or even flown in a small plane .
My o ly instruction comes from. YOU tube videos and I have planned on seeking some help before leaving earth for first time alone . It seems to me very dangerous to deny someone instruction because one not allowed to pay for it and highly unlikely anyone showing up for free . People will die just like in the 80's giving the sport a bad rap . K owledge is key and I guess I'm in my own wish me luck and thank you FAA my soul may haunt you but don't count on it !
Hi Jeffrey, I really hope that you do seek out a flight instructor to get you started. You may want to contact Kolb and see if they can recommend some options. You already know that what you are contemplating is not the best of ideas. Please don't follow through on that and then blame anyone else if something goes wrong.
I know it’s just the background but why would you use the paramotor brakes like that? You can’t flare or fix any type of collapse without having the toggles independent of each other.
Hi Matt! Actually, the foot bars are independent of each other. Instead of left hand and right hand, I use left foot and right foot!
That makes it very convenient for things like photography.
Thanks for watching!
If they say recreation purposes only, the instructors are required to have fun. See affidavit of in flight enjoyment.
You should only be required to demonstrate you have the skills to operate the aircraft safely. Every additional lb the aircraft is in flight increases the risk to people and property on the ground. If it was possible to fly a 747 with nobody in the plane with you, nobody and nothing below you, you should only be required to demonstrate that you can fly it. That's an extreme and impossible case meant only to illustrate my point. Airspace endorsements could solve a lot of it.
I think the 40 hr number was originally intended to represent a full 40 hour week of training and has been demented by strict requirements and flight schools trying to generate more money.
They want to keep you safe but they make it hard. Now they realize more people should be flying. Maybe technology will save us and make a safe, efficient and reliable aircraft that has the ability to completely fly it's self or a hybrid that controls the machine while you control when and where to go so you can still take care of the things a person does better than the machine. You set the vertical speed instead of balancing the throttle, flaps, elevator to maintain enough vertical speed without loosing too much airspeed just to climb, descend or maintain level flight. Automatic landing is already available as an emergency measure. Autopilot does the rest but it's still done in such a way that makes these systems require more training as opposed to less.
Great comment!
However... the more technology you add, the less fun the aircraft gets and the more expensive it gets!
@@EasyFlight sadly, that's what it will take to get the rest of the world flying. I'm a steam gauge guy myself.
Couldn't you just charge a fee for ground school and do the flight training for free? That way you aren't actually being paid to teach the student to fly.
Unfortunately, even training for free in some aircraft is now verboten. I put up a video about that a few weeks ago.
I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
I think there are some obvious changes that would promote pilots, increase training, and increase the number of aircraft.
I agree 100%. Many people want to fly, it's just that there are too many headwinds for a lot of people.
@@EasyFlight The things that need to change aren't really all that complicated. I discussed it with my two brothers both of whom are instructor pilots (ranging from sailplane to jet multi-engine) with engineering degrees and they thought my ideas were sound.
Incompetent agency strikes again!
Don't be lulled into thinking the FAA is incompetent.
They are doing what they are doing for a reason.
Video is completely obsolete now. FAA has actually just improved the LSA/Sport Pilot rating not abolished it. Woo hoo !
When did that happen? I know MOSAIC is in the works, but nothing has been published yet.
Hopefully this will be addressed in the proposal.
Meanwhile, almost a year later this is still an open issue for experimental aircraft CFIs.
Im confused about this because of the 103 law. I plan to get into paramotors. I'm wondering
If your tandem certified have a pilot liscence or, a commercial liscence, can you do scenic rides for compensation?
If it has a tail number and is registered? If you have a pilot liscence and use a trike or quad along with proper emergency equipment like a parachute, and insurance?
Hi Dom! All good questions! Right now, the answer is no to all of them, though.
If you are tandem certified, that means that you can train tandem. But the way Part 103 and the exemptions read, you can't collect money for training tandem. (At least the way it appears after this court order.)
And no one in any of the parasports is able to do scenic rides for compensation. That has always been illegal in the USA.
The only for-compensation activity was for training. And now even that is in question after this appeals court ruling.
Here’s a message that must get out. This appears to be a *major* stumble by the agency’s district office. Well done, Roy!
@@EasyFlight Hasn't "Scenic rides" always fallen under the guise of introductory training. I'm betting none of the flight centers is paying any attention to this I wanted to get an intro flight to hang gliders local company uses aerotow tandem flight.
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No worries we'll fix this for you.
Did they move to S.C?
I believe that they did. But I don't know the status of their operation.
experiemntals could be used for flight instruction, if the aircraft was provided by the owner of the aircraft. this has been the case for decades.
Yes. A lot of people in aviation are saying exactly that. But the FAA has 'changed their collective mind'.
@@EasyFlight Given how few new certified aircraft are bought each year, and how many new experimental become airworthy every year. they FAA wont have a choice in the matter soon.
One hopes, but they think they have it solved by issuing thousands of LODAs.
@@EasyFlight LODAs which weren't ever necessary for safety before.
@@SoloRenegade LODAs have made EABs incredibly safer. Check the data especially first flight accidents.
What certified gyro copters are people gonna train in?
Great question! They have been having to get LODAs all along. That will hopefully change in a couple of years.
It will all come down to enforcement. But they certainly the ability to screw with everyone should they chose.
Exactly right. Enforcement or selective enforcement.
Has it been fixed?
Not really. It is still an open issue.
If we rent the aircraft is that a “loophole”
Unfortunately, not.
In fact, that is even worse in the eyes of the FAA.
Any Gov agency moves like an ocean, give it a chance and it will move back.
Just have to include it in the cost of the craft????
That used to be how it was done years ago. However, a lot of students already own a powered parachute or other experimental aircraft.
@@EasyFlight I am making my own. So I get that. I will just have a buddy show me the ropes. Well if I can find one....
Goes to show that the FAA are so busy sitting on their ass they don't have time to do their job and come up like things like this to make it look like they are doing something
Hi Henry! There are a lot of good people in the FAA, but not enough of them are pilots.
Sir I want to built this Model
That's great! Unfortunately, I don't sell any kits. The Airwolf comes as a fully built machine.
@@EasyFlight sir you can help me with it can you please denote that airwolf machine I am very poor guy sir but I have interest in all of this stuff.
I'm not sure what you mean.
And another gotcha is photography from a ultralight or LSA and you post on UA-cam is the furtherance of a business. If you don’t believe me, look at the FAA and how they deal with drone operators. What a mess!
Interesting point. Have drone operators tried a First Amendment argument? I seem to remember someone flying ultralights back in the day successfully doing that.
@@EasyFlight Free Speech is a right but flying a drone is at the pleasure of the bureaucracy. As so many of the things we take for granted.
It depends on the purpose of flying the drone. You can't regulate away journalism or another free-speech expression. The standard is higher for the government.
Nonsense. There are 2 pilots aboard, no passengers.
Hi Arthur! I'm not sure I understand the nonsense part.
@@EasyFlight There are 2 pilots aboard; there are no passengers. That is why it's "nonsense" to worry about taking passengers for hire. There are no passengers.
carried? not from PLACE TO PLACE!!!!!!!!
True. But that doesn't seem to matter.
@@EasyFlight But it does. That's why photo flights, and discovery flights and such have been exempted.
I don't believe that they have ever been exempted, but I could be wrong.
So people will buy warbirds and get no training and write themselves off. 🙄
Guys like you got away with this for many years, and now you got caught. Big deal. No one says you can't instruct - you just can't do it for MONEY. Only certified commercial pilots should instruct, and that includes all the physical requirements, etc. You do not meet that standard. If you want to instruct for money, meet the standard. THAT is pretty simple. And stop whining. You got away with this for a long, long time.
That is a great idea. Show me in the regulations where there is a commercial rating for powered parachute pilots.
Thanks for commenting!
You are misleading people with this video. You should take it down for all concerned.
Please offer some proof rather than simple accusations.
Leave it the FAA... I guess by the letter of the law you can't charge while your actually in the plane. But you can charge to show up, since your not in the plane... Seriously though, the FAA has messed up on basically everything it has done for more than a few years. Just look at what they did to traditional RC, and you will see the same ineptness. There are now rules in place stating that you must follow rules, that are not in place.... Or be incompliant...
The FAA used to have as part of their mission to "Promote Aviation". They dropped that, partly because it was obvious that it wasn't true.