In the new Manga, Ultra Instinct can be used to dynamically toughen the body to withstand blows, not just dodge. Yamcha has been foreshadowing it this whole time, before long he’ll be able to handle 100 Saibamen.
Never forget: Yamcha was never taught the Kamehameha wave by Roshi, he taught it to himself and surprised everyone by using it in the tournament against Tien. He was the first of his generation to invent a competely new technique while everyone else was still using passed down stuff. He was the first to go against the sayans. And he started as a poor desert bandit, living off stealing and scavaging and now lives in a penthouse, adored as a sports star by millions. Oh, and he gave Beerus a friendly slap on the back while Vegeta was hiding behind shrubbery.
I haven't watched Dragon Ball since I was a kid, so I don't know too much about it. However, rewatching Dragon Ball Z has made me appreciate Krillin so much more. He contributed greatly to the story and even came up with the idea to travel to Namek. Krillin, Yamcha and Tien helping out Jaco with more minor threats would be a fun side story.
@@Chriso22 z is more shiny do to the power ups it’s easier to market to kids. Go look at Dragon ball again you would see it’s a much better story. More of a emotional investment in it
@@Chriso22 I don’t know why you said that every comment i see about rankings always have DB at 1 the story is better but I still think Z is the best yea DB started it all and it’s great but Z is to iconic the forms the characters atmosphere is all PEAK dragon ball if it left at DB i don’t think it would be father of anime
The thing is Tien and choatsu likely have a lot of reposibility. I picture the two traveling arround helping human villages on there way. there stil natural disaters, robbers and run away dinosaurs and monsters in this world
For someone who doesn’t use ki, Mr. Satan is still one of the strongest humans in the series. It would be interesting to see how strong he could have gotten if he learned how to use his ki.
Considering Dragon Ball's world building, it should be almost impossible to someone without ki control become a renowmed martial artist, even less a world champion. Someone like mr Satan should be at similar level a Roshi or even above.
@@edersonnico I think Satan got lucky as most fighters with ki probably got to scared to return to fighting in the tournament after being hunted down by Tambourine.
@@countprophet5881 That is way too many years after tambourine. And as far as I know, ki control can be learned by almost anyone, it is just it happens to be a really hard skill. I don't like he made such skill an exclusivity for Goku's close friends making it seem as they have superpowers. Ignoring completely the existence of talented martial artists outside of that close circle. Well, the whole planet changes before and after Namek saga. Before we have a fantasy world with dinossaurs, dragons, flying cars, furry people, magic users, etc. After the Namek saga, for some reason the planet becomes regular earth with normal people.
As much as I hate what Team Four Star did to DB, I do appreciate one joke where Vegeta is busting Tien’s balls and Tien just shuts him down by acknowledging that he’s done something Vegeta will never do . . . . Tien actually beat Goku before. Drove Vegeta nuts
Dragonball Abridged made Tien badass. I know it's not everyone's type of humor, but I honestly them like DBZA respects the characters and gave them more nuances and development than the official series (and definitely more so than DB Super).@@Linklex7
If you think about it the humans are almost a testament to the unbreakable human spirit as no matter how big and bad things got, no matter how out classed when needed they gave their everything
I still think it's hilarious that in the 1st Budukai game, there's a "What if" scenario that's pretty much just Cell having a nightmare about getting the Tri-Beam treatment again 😂 Also, do you ever wonder if Yamcha only died at the beginning of Z because he was fighting with his usual Tournament Flair rather than killing intent?
No kidding, Yamcha vs Tien was an incredible fight in DB. He's not kidding. I'm damn sure everyone here has seen it, but if you haven't you really should. Watch the whole episode, not just the fight. The fight build up in DB is part of the vibe, it's such a martial arts focused anime. I loved all the Budokai tournament arcs in DB so much.
The Humans were never useless some of them are the most important ppl in the series. The story wouldn't continue without them. It sucks that they aren't used in the story as much anymore. This just me but i wish we get a Avengers Endgame style arc across the Universes. It can expand with the Humans, U6 Saiyans, possible new races, GoDs/Angels, etc but it will most likey never happen
I'm going to get some flak because of this, but I think Toriyama's original plan of having Vegeta die permanently in Namek would have led to a better Dragon Ball without a ton of saiyans around where non-saiyan characters would still be relevant, not only that but I think Namek Vegeta was peak Vegeta, ever since that his character seemed to be walking on circles which is no surprise since his arc was concluded when he put his trust on Goku before dying. Instead the series became a sorts of arms race to super saiyan forms where if you weren't a saiyan you sucked, even the highly anticipated Piccolo and Kami Fusion was overshadowed by grade 2, grade 3 and SSJ2 in the same saga, later on Buu saga if you weren't a saiyan you sucked, simple as that, even Saiyan kids were more relevant than Piccolo that should have insane potential after merging with Kami and train from that point on, the idea of a Goku vs Piccolo rematch in Buu saga was also way better than another Goku vs Vegeta, Tien that spent all his life training got taken out by a single kick from Buu. Super became even worse with the Super Saiyan God forms, the concept of god Ki was actually a good one that could be used for other characters to close the gap, instead it only made it bigger only for later to try to make other characters relevant by giving them some insane nonsensical buffs, I mean, Cell consuming the Androids in the future and being the ultimate lifeform is retarded when the Androids with a few years can eclipse Super Perfect Cell with ease.
I agree with you! There's no point of Vegeta being around after the frieza arc concluded! And I hate that his "marriage" with bulma birthed one of my favorite characters, Future Trunks! And ever since the saiyans been stealing glory from all the other non Saiyan warriors!
I doubt removing Vegeta would've changed anything.Toryiama didn't had any plans post Namek Saga so Vegeta isn't the reason.It's just the direction that Tory decided to take.
SaiyanScholar makes some really good points in this video, and I heavily respect the amount of effort put into this video! People sleep on humans, but many of them would have succeeded as much or even more if they had the same opportunities as Goku. A perfect example of this is when Krillin dies in the 22nd Budokai. I feel that if Krillin and Goku's roles were swapped, Krillin would've been a beast for sure.
The thing with Chi-Chi is she is, from all that was shown, a bit of a prodigy herself. Only, she was never interested in fighting. Hell, both her kids turned out more like her and shunned fighting and the hard work and discipline that comes with the vigorous training and pursued other things. And I know people were pissed similarly for the Gohan not being the main character in the last arc of Z, but as pointed out even by Toriyama, Gohan is NOT Goku. Both of Goku's kids and both of Vegeta's kids also just doesn't care for fighting. Sure, they might have all the potential in the universe but none of them want to act on it or care to. All of them are just too different from Saiyans. They might have the tools to be the universe strongest due to their human and Saiyan halfs, but by that same token, their human half dulls their Saiyan half's instincts. Which includes the battle drive. Also, their violent nature.
Chi-Chi was able to keep Weighted Goku on his toes during the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. Granted, Goku wasn't taking the fight seriously but the fact she was able to surprise him and keep him on the defensive at least puts her above Goku at battle level during the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai, and she was most likely holding back considering how angry she was. She also most likely wasn't training for any other reason than to impress Goku. Goku's kids definitely benefitted from her genes as well because Vegeta canonically has better innate potential than Goku (the main difference is their mindsets).
Human gang over here I think they have more potential than sayians. Look at some of the aliens they fight that don’t transform and have insane power levels.
@@UnifiedEntity look at Gohan, had a random low level saiyan dad and random human mom. At 6 years old, he was strong enough to harm his uncle who had been fighting and getting stronger since birth. Sure, humans don’t get much power level wise, but their potential is undeniable.
@@joshuaconnall4237 Gohan is half Saiyan. He's able to have a high power level at birth because he's part Saiyan. Take that away, and he would never have been that strong.
i love your dragonball videos, you hit so many great points, i love every Dragonball characters, i wish for all of them get their shine, no matter if it big or small, i would love to see a Dragonball movie starring Piccolo as the main hero, just coming off the superhero movie, now he has his new forms, and having Lord Slug as the main villain, that would be sweet to see, also it would be perfect to added Lord Slug, keep up the great work, i would love to see you talk about smaller characters like Bergamo, would be cool and fun,
Tein is a goddamn role model. They did my boy dirty. He should easily be the strongest human, but he's not Goku's bestie. This is a thing that I always wanted to see for him. Tein has a fight where He uses multiform and shows that he learned kaio Ken and with those multiple versions he goes kaio Ken times 500 something crazy and using neo tribeam or kai cannon whatever you want to call it and wreck somebody that is far stronger than him. His main body won't use high multiplier kaio Ken but the clones will to the point of death, but it doesn't matter because they're clones and that's the brilliance.
I love Tien and Yamcha, they got hoed in super along with Rilling but I always liked Tien and Yamcha more. Felt like Tien should have had a bit more screen time and feats given he never stops training. Atleast there was that dope scene with Semi-Cell. Bulma comes in clutch with technology and sorta started the search for the dragon balls. With do many super strong characters, I can't help but love the ones weaker when compared to the other
At the beginning of DB, Goku fought humans like Yamcha, Krillin, Master Roshi, and few others that gave Goku a tough fight, but once Goku begin to tap into the true power of the Saiyans, the difference between Goku's strength and the humans grew further and further, especially with all the Saiyan's transformations. The only human that can give a tough fight with the current Goku is Uub, the reincarnation of Kid Buu with the power of the Grand Supreme Kai, but some people don't think it counts since Uub's soul is that ancient destroyer that destroy countless planets.
What’s the point of this comment? All you did was point out something extremely obvious? Are you trying to justify the shitty way power creep was handled by making an obvious statement?
This is why I wish there was some pride trooper-esque arcs for the other Z fighters. Like they're tasked by the Supreme Kai to travel through space and fight bad guys as a means to advance U7.
@@Linklex7What Z ruined was the ability to have filler episodes of Goten & Trunks finding the Dragon Balls with the Z Warriors and training with them. Having both the kids talk down to the humans for not being Saiyans, and then put into their place because of the difference of skill and experience is something that DBZ/S/> always lacked
@@kaishinkugaming2420 He dodged a blast from Buutenks and made him avoid his Tribeam, Krillin ran like a bitch from weaker Superbuu 💀 Tien would stomp Krillin
@@darthsidious4274 Tien was still ready for a battle didn’t gaf about the powergap, Krillins just a straight up coward ever since he got blown up by Frieza lol
@@maximumoverdrive3520 that still doesn't make krillin a coward especially when he has been present against nearly every major threat even more than tien, he literally distracted frieza by cutting his tail and showed a good performance in the saiyan against nappa and vegeta while also staying alive until goku gets back while also protecting gohan even when android 17 and 18 has literally one shotted every single z fighter despite being afraid of them he was still ready to face them and that takes quite a courage even for a human despite the obvious result. Not to mention his arsenal of techniques consisting of destructo disk along with tien's solar flare and tri-beam actually holding the capability to be used upon much stronger opponents while also killing them but toriyama never make the best use if these techniques. Not to diss on Tien as he is my personal favorite among the human fighters but that doesn't mean u have to undermine krillin to show tien's relevancy as a fighter.
The story wouldn't continue without them. It sucks that they aren't used in the story as much anymore. This just me but i wish we get a Avengers Endgame style arc across the Universes. It can expand with the Humans, U6 Saiyans, possible new races, GoDs/Angels, etc but it will most likey never happen
It would be interesting to see an arc where for a portion of it, some villain causes the saiyans to be disabled due to some magic, imprisons them, or transports them to a different universe. Then we can see Piccolo, Krilin, Tien, and Yamcha shine for a bit. They can still write Vegeta and Goku beating the main villain but to not have it be focused on them the whole arc would be interesting to see.
What i want is to see, is a team up of Bulma techs and the humans ki martial arts. Like a suit that could either emplify their ki or a suit like Guyver that would requier a powerful user because it can move beyond the speed of light.
time to help out Team Four Star and make "it's Kriller Time" a thing. on top of the fusion buffs... Gokule, half human hybrid perks maybe ? ah, so you had the thought too. haha
Bulma was the brains, Launch and Yamcha were like the bodyguards of the group (when Goku wasn’t around), Krillin was the best friend, Tien was like the rival antagonist turned role model, Chiatzou like the little brother character, Roshi the mentor, and even Yajirobe was that friend who acted tough but had a bigger heart than he let on. The human characters brought a kind of dynamic that was refreshing or relatable. It came back with Videl for a while with Gohan going to high school and with his Saiyaman arc.
Too bad little to none of this was conveyed. Especially whatever you’re trying to make out of Tien lmao it’s just bad writing dude you don’t have to justify it you’re allowed to be entertained by bad writing
Kienzan used to be dangerous but as shown later on, with enough strength you can eat those in your sleep. Taiyoken can be pointless if you can sense ki which at this point nearly everyone can. 😅
Tien's tribeam is one of those attacks that really should be made into a bigger deal than it is because it, like the destructo disk, has the unique capacity to actually lose an absolutely massive gap in power and make him situationally useful despite not being a literal walking god like Goku and Vegeta now are. My theory on it is exactly that - that it multiplies the energy put in exponentially, and I think the nature of the attack - focused between this hands in this narrow window like that - provide a clue as to how. I think first of all that it DOES have a massive focusing effect on the blast, which effectively magnifies its power many times over - but ALSO I think he's letting off more than one at a time. Notice that his hands form a bit of a triangle shape - yet the SHAPE he blasts out is a SQUARE. So I think he's firing MULTIPE LAYERS at once and they are rotating on their way down - two triangles flipped around will form one square. So that is perhaps the secret to that technique. NOW, if Tien could create some hyper-focused laser version of that, it would have SCARY penetrating power that could probably put a hole in any major villain - the only thing of course is that most dragonball villains after frieza have the annoying ability to either absorb energy or regenerate. If they couldn't, Vegeta would have put Perfect Cell down before Goku even got done training when he shot a hole through him with final flash. Blasted regen.
Tien would have basically been the savior of the Cell arc if krillin didn't fuck it up for some robussy. also, lets be real, launch would have eventually ended up vegeta if she was in dbz. Vegeta meets a kind blue haired earth woman that turns into a powerfull golden haired warrior when she sneezes, he would probably call her the super saiyan human or something like that. Saiyans love strong women, and launch is up there with chichi in terms of strength (strength of will and character, not the ability to punch good.) i wonder if launch will come back in the new series.
If I was a Z-Warrior I would just use the Dragon Balls to wish for immortality and Saiyan potential. I'd be damned to let aliens take all the credit for protecting the Earth!
24:19 *_OBJECTION!!!_* I don't care what some unofficial guide book says. Piccolo laid the law down that anyone who wasn't qualified to fight a super Saiyan couldn't show up for the raid on the Androids. That puts Tenshinhan, Krillin and Yamcha all over 100 million. Even if they're a little weaker than Namek Frieza (which I doubt) they would be close enough to win on superior skill
I have to be honest, I grew up with DBZ old dub, with the Rock the Dragon theme. I did watch a few Dragonball episodes when I went out of the country and saw it in Spanish then in English when I could find it, and I did own the VHS movies. I do want to stream it, or collect Dragonball. When Dragonball FighterZ came out, and challenged people online…. Everyone was using the big power houses, and mostly Saiyans and Fusions, including me. I started to use Videl, Krillen, Yamacha, Broly, Tien, Kefla. I would lose no matter what characters I used most of the time, but I got good with Videl that I got complemented and she was the one who would get me out of the tough fighters. I do give credit to those characters that got lost in the shuffle. My defense for Toriyama is that he always worked so hard, and in other projects that have his art style. Chrono Trigger, Dragon Quest, Dragonball. He even admitted he was so forgetful because in order to come up with new ideas he had to clear his head, and forget a lot of material and lore 😢 which is a shame for sure. I do like Dragon Ball Super, but completely different reasons I like Dragon Ball, and Dragon Ball Z. I’m not into the beast Gohan look. Piccolo was overdue a power up transformation, which same goes to the underrated characters. Totally agree with Tien been a bad ass, Krillen I can totally relate with, and Yamcha, has been a joke for to long.
I forgot to mention because in the games Dragon Ball super the card version of it and even the Nintendo Super Dragon Ball Heroes: World Mission had these amazing class ups including Super God Class-Up The only race that didn't get it was the humans but that's because you can't play as a human but if you could they probably would have let you have it too as a human considering that there was a Android that was basically a copy of cell and if that one can get it humans probably could get it too.
If I were writing this, I would have Piccolo put everyone in a boot camp to grow in power - well at least the higher lords. Because of this, Tien begins to feel some kind of way about Piccolo and the Saiyans not really seeing them as any true means to defeat beings as powerful as them. This has all of the humans thinking about that and not having hard feelings, but feeling a way still, each human seems to come to the same conclusion when a group of pirates come to take resources from both Monster Island. Fighting next to the Androids without any Saiyans - including the boys, or namekians except Dende, they begin to understand they have a place protecting Earth. 17 trains them by realizing they needed to tap into the deepest recesses of their genetic being. Bulma studies everyone and figures out that using the Sensu, she can create some beans keyed to each fighter's genetic code. This helps unlock not only latent power, but hidden potential by feeding directly to their cells what they need. I would have that for them and then have them training more in the HBTC and I would surely have them go to Yardrat and train their spirit for spirit balance. Imagine them all becoming like 10 to 100x stronger than they have ever been? And after all their training, send them first to King Kai for the craziest training only for Tien to go further by then training with Piccolo and then with Future Trunks. Yamcha goes back to Master Roshi, but also ends with asking Supreme Kai for help. He finds that Tien did the same thing whereas Krillin's family helps him become far more powerful. Fore me, by the time they all meet up again, every single human of the Z Fighters would be more powerful than Cooler's ultimate form!
Coronel Silver, random red ribbon boxer that can casually defeat multiple heavy weight champions move like a blur in a match against goku. No special training, no ki.
Even tho DC and Marvel comics have their issues, humans are still relevant such as Batman Inc. Green Arrow, Captain America and both Nick Furies. DB Humans needs their own stories to star in. Shoot they need to do Yamcha like Johnny Cage was done in Mk9 to Mk1 (reboot)
chichi - Super saiyan Factory Bulma - Dragon raidar, money, fixer of androids yajerobi - grower of sensu beans Krillan - the errand boy Yamcha - the human shield
Anyone ever notice that no one with any kind of power was an animal-person? There are a couple that had a tiny bit of power King Rabbit (Deceased, was on the moon prior to it being blown up) and the "vampire" guy in Babba's mini tournament arc.
Saiyan Scholar, Your Favorite NOT Unrated Humans Are Krillin Yamcha, And, Tien Shinhan Thanks For Giving Goku's Old Friends Respectful Topics Perhaps, Krillin And, Yamcha Could Be Role Models As Well Roshi's Master Is Someone That Was Forgotten He Saved The World Sealing Piccolo Jr.'s Dad In The Rice Cooker Being Called, "Containment Wave"
I said this on another video but since we're talking about Bulma and Gero's tech genius here, I must reiterate that Gero was *frighteningly* well educated. Not only was he an engineer, but also a biochemist, geneticist, physicist, computer scientist, and even a damn brain surgeon. And possibly much more. Also it's kind of a shame that Trunks destroyed King Cold's ship. Salvaging that technology could have been very beneficial to the world. Healing pods, anyone? Bulma could easily reverse engineer those.
That's why people are losing interest in this show because if it's one Lesson you can take for this anime it's if you're not human anything is Possible, Someone who's become A fan of naruto And black clover I grown to respect Yamcha
Videl used to like fighting and now she doesn't. SO did Chi chi, people change "gohan's sidekick" so what? Every good hero needs one and being a good mom/wife makes her awesome if Krillin gets a pass for having a peaceful life so should she.
there's a couple of fan mangas where krillin and yamcha became an android. Krillin kikoho'd x10 and stacked it with kaioken x20 and he bodied cell. and in the Dragon Ball Multiverse fan manga, yamcha was an android and pretty much wrecked everyone he faced. that pretty much answers it for me what happens if the humans became androids.
Tian yes I can respect for all of his hard work. My issue with the humans is that they make the stupidest decisions. There are ways of catching up to their saiyan counterparts wasn’t the hyperbolic time chamber rebooted or upgraded so that there’s no time limit why are they not training there every day or every other day for that matter? 10 years of training in a day every day they would catch up in no time, but they don’t do things like that. Instead, they go train under a waterfall for no reason with methods that honestly hinder their progress to snail speed.
I think the reason hybrids are so strong is because Saiyan transformations are rooted in emotion but the Saiyans are such a tough stoic masculine race they suppress their emotions most of the time. The Hybrids have the Super Saiyan transformation but also the human emotional side to bring forth it's raw power.
I would love to see, now that Piccolo got his power up back to relevancy in Super Hero, Krillin decide he needs to step up and catch back up. Spend a year w/18 in the time chamber, maybe ask Dende to contact Elder Kai and unlock his ultimate potential. Then use the Pendulum room from the anime and see where he stacks up. Krillin going against a past Goku who was say training for the androids if Krillin can get a decent win there would be nice to see. I'm not saying Krillin needs to jump to the point of taking down Perfect Cell, but definitively stating he's somewhere between Goku on Namek and Semi perfect Cell would be an awesome boost for the guy. and then have him beat Tien in an exhibition match to light a fire under his butt.
I’d love it if every z fighter got their own niche to stay relevant. Gorky has ultra instinct, Vegeta Ultra Ego, Gohan and piccolo with their movie forms. Let Krillian and Roshi come up with sweet moves that swing way above their power level, and not be stolen by Goku right away, Tien can lean into super powerful attacks that drain his life force like Cell saga, maybe give Chautsu healing powers from studying from Dende so they can pair off. Androids get ki negation/lack ki like the World Eater arc, and maybe routine upgrades from Bulma. Maybe let Goten and Trunks get some ascended fusion technique, and other tag team abilities.
I was sad to see Videl get pushed to the side, as a character. I think for the humans that is what constantly happens. As we see with Yamcha, Krillain, and Tien, they have to go the slow route in powering up. They don't get a cool Zenkai boost, they have to put in the effort to just keep up only to be the group that fights the henchmen.
Krillin should get a better roshi's bulk transformation. I think everyone should get a transformation. Tien should get one, Yamcha should get a wolf one, and Chiatzu has so much potential.... like some mystic psychic power within him, a form or a beast locked inside him, making that why he's creepy looking.
Everyone is really sleeping on the Earthling Soul from Fighter Z. If it wasn’t the soul of a child, imagine how much havoc an E.S. From a full-grown person would wreak. *ESPECIALLY* if the soul belonged to a human that was killed and revived multiple times through the series. Not to mention what an experienced Earthling Soul would be capable of. The most powerful characters being reduced to helpless puppets, the Soul looking through their memories to perfectly imitate the host body. Maybe learning how to hide themselves so even gods can’t detect them, or even hijacking said gods! Maybe that’s the human’s true power. A secret race of body snatchers that are unraveled and uncompressed, (notice that human souls in Dragon Ball were never depicted as a golden ball before Fighter Z.) are held back by Enma and kept in check to prevent these glowing orbs from spreading through the universe. Imagine in the next game there’s an antagonist Earthling Soul that’s just sick of his/her species being nothing more than weak fodder to be killed over and over again, and seeks payback for it all.
Bulma could easily make herself one of the most powerful beings in the universe with her genius. She could in theory make herself into an android that rivals android 18 and android 17 if she wanted.
Holding their own until the invincible demigods show up is pretty useful ngl, plus Tien isn't really one to fuck around with, and Yamcha...... I'm the only person that made a Yamcha hat, because nobody likes Yamcha but me :(
I think it would be more interesting if dbz were less about power, but it is, and because of that its jarring to see master roshi be able to dodge attacks, when in the sagas prior it was always shown that when a character is massively stronger than an an opponent they're faster than them as well
I’ve often thought the same about Krillin. You could be the most powerful characters like Goku and Vegeta or you could be Krillin and have the best looking woman in the entire dragon ball universe. If you think about from a narrative perspective who else would have 18 ended up with. Tien is too focused on his lifestyle and 18 wouldn’t tolerate Yamcha
We can assume that Tiens Kikoho is NOT a ki-based attack but consumes life/spirit force, the energy that Goku uses to form the spirit bomb, which explains the danger to his life, and the massive power output. We see other characters use life force mainly to make a bomb out of themselves which Is a crude way of using this energy and that means you need very special training to handle it. It is so hidden that Goku received it in the afterlife from King Kai. Tien learned Kikoho from Crain hermit which was stated in DB tournament by Roshi. Crain either developed it himself or learned it from master Mutaito, who was an average fighter but a brilliant scientist in spirit (not ki ) energy. Based on this assumption we could state that Kikoho scales not from the strength of the individual using it but from the control mastery of the life force manipulation. Since there is a finite amount of life energy one person has for his life and nothing else, it is logical that if you are using it for something else, the life span shortens, so you would need to learn how to harness the energy from outside the body and use it for attacking, making the spirit bomb technique a correct way of doing this.
34:27 - But why make4 Andtroids? Why not go all-out Tony Stark and make armor to grant more strength and energy projection to someone like Krillin or Yamcha? Can't see Tien willingly accepting that, but I could see her deciding to become more proactive and... oh, nevermind... you're making this point around 36:00... Heh...
The perfect example of bad writing is Resurrection F. The Human characters are only important for 30 minutes and when Goku and Vegeta appear they become commentaries from a basketball match
I think all of the Saiyan hybrids human side is always given credit, they're so strong because their Saiyan power is linked and controlled by their human emotions
When they ask him, is it all about playing fighting strengthen who taught him that I would say the entire last series it’s good that they’re trying to steer away from that though
Yamcha actually surviving the attacks from gods during the baseball game is pretty impressive.
In the new Manga, Ultra Instinct can be used to dynamically toughen the body to withstand blows, not just dodge. Yamcha has been foreshadowing it this whole time, before long he’ll be able to handle 100 Saibamen.
man that one manga where that guy got reincarnated as yamcha and became a fucking badass due to his dbz lore was great
@@bell5082that one was Amazing
Best gag arc 😂🤣😂
Yeah it definitely was
Never forget: Yamcha was never taught the Kamehameha wave by Roshi, he taught it to himself and surprised everyone by using it in the tournament against Tien. He was the first of his generation to invent a competely new technique while everyone else was still using passed down stuff. He was the first to go against the sayans. And he started as a poor desert bandit, living off stealing and scavaging and now lives in a penthouse, adored as a sports star by millions. Oh, and he gave Beerus a friendly slap on the back while Vegeta was hiding behind shrubbery.
Factsss plus he never had his potential unlocked like krillin and still kept his pw level up with them⚡️⚡️
Yesindeed hes a million too baseball paid him off for being op and he's a great support character has pw to destroy planets if he had that intention💯💯
Krillin's scattering beam attack that wiped out the saibamen was always badass af
Tien using TRI beam always goes crazy
I love how Bulma could litterally become one of the strongest characters in the series if she really wanted too lol
Krillin, Yamcha, Tien, Chiaotzu, and even Yajirobe deserve more time to shine.
yes, yes, yes, yes, and no, Yajirobe mid
@@MysticPhantm no yajirobe is king
@@The_dog_in_the_picture_is_mine Mr satan on top
@@MysticPhantm Mr.satan vs king from one punch man we all know Mr. Satan wins
@@scargamer0022 Hell no, King slams Mr Satan, i was just saying mr satan is on top in dragon ball.
what's mr satan gonna do against the king engine?
I haven't watched Dragon Ball since I was a kid, so I don't know too much about it. However, rewatching Dragon Ball Z has made me appreciate Krillin so much more. He contributed greatly to the story and even came up with the idea to travel to Namek.
Krillin, Yamcha and Tien helping out Jaco with more minor threats would be a fun side story.
Dragon ball actually better as a story then z.
@@LeonCook34think most of the fantasy would disagree
@@Chriso22 z is more shiny do to the power ups it’s easier to market to kids. Go look at Dragon ball again you would see it’s a much better story. More of a emotional investment in it
@@Chriso22 I don’t know why you said that every comment i see about rankings always have DB at 1 the story is better but I still think Z is the best yea DB started it all and it’s great but Z is to iconic the forms the characters atmosphere is all PEAK dragon ball if it left at DB i don’t think it would be father of anime
@@LeonCook34Agree
Incredible how in the short time she existed as a relevant character, Z Videl rose to be my favourite female character in the franchise.
The thing is Tien and choatsu likely have a lot of reposibility.
I picture the two traveling arround helping human villages on there way.
there stil natural disaters, robbers and run away dinosaurs and monsters in this world
For someone who doesn’t use ki, Mr. Satan is still one of the strongest humans in the series. It would be interesting to see how strong he could have gotten if he learned how to use his ki.
Considering Dragon Ball's world building, it should be almost impossible to someone without ki control become a renowmed martial artist, even less a world champion. Someone like mr Satan should be at similar level a Roshi or even above.
@@edersonnico I think Satan got lucky as most fighters with ki probably got to scared to return to fighting in the tournament after being hunted down by Tambourine.
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That is way too many years after tambourine. And as far as I know, ki control can be learned by almost anyone, it is just it happens to be a really hard skill.
I don't like he made such skill an exclusivity for Goku's close friends making it seem as they have superpowers. Ignoring completely the existence of talented martial artists outside of that close circle.
Well, the whole planet changes before and after Namek saga. Before we have a fantasy world with dinossaurs, dragons, flying cars, furry people, magic users, etc. After the Namek saga, for some reason the planet becomes regular earth with normal people.
By the way, did we mention before that TIEN IS A GODDAMN ROLE MODEL?
As much as I hate what Team Four Star did to DB, I do appreciate one joke where Vegeta is busting Tien’s balls and Tien just shuts him down by acknowledging that he’s done something Vegeta will never do . . . . Tien actually beat Goku before. Drove Vegeta nuts
Dragonball Abridged made Tien badass. I know it's not everyone's type of humor, but I honestly them like DBZA respects the characters and gave them more nuances and development than the official series (and definitely more so than DB Super).@@Linklex7
He is.
Someone might have mentioned it.🤔
And Debura is a god damn veteran
Krillin living the life😂
He pulled a baddie, he's indeed living the life
@nitroblaze6696 Baddies in cartoons may be great but not irl
@@pooolish334 sadly true
@@pooolish334in real life there horrible in Personalities
Yes he is indeed
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If you think about it the humans are almost a testament to the unbreakable human spirit as no matter how big and bad things got, no matter how out classed when needed they gave their everything
In a well told story you don’t have to think about it
I still think it's hilarious that in the 1st Budukai game, there's a "What if" scenario that's pretty much just Cell having a nightmare about getting the Tri-Beam treatment again 😂
Also, do you ever wonder if Yamcha only died at the beginning of Z because he was fighting with his usual Tournament Flair rather than killing intent?
No kidding, Yamcha vs Tien was an incredible fight in DB. He's not kidding. I'm damn sure everyone here has seen it, but if you haven't you really should. Watch the whole episode, not just the fight. The fight build up in DB is part of the vibe, it's such a martial arts focused anime. I loved all the Budokai tournament arcs in DB so much.
Excellent recap video Sir
The Humans were never useless some of them are the most important ppl in the series. The story wouldn't continue without them. It sucks that they aren't used in the story as much anymore. This just me but i wish we get a Avengers Endgame style arc across the Universes. It can expand with the Humans, U6 Saiyans, possible new races, GoDs/Angels, etc but it will most likey never happen
Could happen now that iyoku got his wish
Krillin getting that stamina boost from all those nights with 18. Chichi and Bulma getting the durability boost from Goku and Vegeta 🤣
actually goku got the boost from chi chi
I'm going to get some flak because of this, but I think Toriyama's original plan of having Vegeta die permanently in Namek would have led to a better Dragon Ball without a ton of saiyans around where non-saiyan characters would still be relevant, not only that but I think Namek Vegeta was peak Vegeta, ever since that his character seemed to be walking on circles which is no surprise since his arc was concluded when he put his trust on Goku before dying.
Instead the series became a sorts of arms race to super saiyan forms where if you weren't a saiyan you sucked, even the highly anticipated Piccolo and Kami Fusion was overshadowed by grade 2, grade 3 and SSJ2 in the same saga, later on Buu saga if you weren't a saiyan you sucked, simple as that, even Saiyan kids were more relevant than Piccolo that should have insane potential after merging with Kami and train from that point on, the idea of a Goku vs Piccolo rematch in Buu saga was also way better than another Goku vs Vegeta, Tien that spent all his life training got taken out by a single kick from Buu.
Super became even worse with the Super Saiyan God forms, the concept of god Ki was actually a good one that could be used for other characters to close the gap, instead it only made it bigger only for later to try to make other characters relevant by giving them some insane nonsensical buffs, I mean, Cell consuming the Androids in the future and being the ultimate lifeform is retarded when the Androids with a few years can eclipse Super Perfect Cell with ease.
I agree with you! There's no point of Vegeta being around after the frieza arc concluded! And I hate that his "marriage" with bulma birthed one of my favorite characters, Future Trunks! And ever since the saiyans been stealing glory from all the other non Saiyan warriors!
I doubt removing Vegeta would've changed anything.Toryiama didn't had any plans post Namek Saga so Vegeta isn't the reason.It's just the direction that Tory decided to take.
*lays flak deep* yeah no thanks buddy
SaiyanScholar makes some really good points in this video, and I heavily respect the amount of effort put into this video! People sleep on humans, but many of them would have succeeded as much or even more if they had the same opportunities as Goku. A perfect example of this is when Krillin dies in the 22nd Budokai. I feel that if Krillin and Goku's roles were swapped, Krillin would've been a beast for sure.
The thing with Chi-Chi is she is, from all that was shown, a bit of a prodigy herself. Only, she was never interested in fighting. Hell, both her kids turned out more like her and shunned fighting and the hard work and discipline that comes with the vigorous training and pursued other things.
And I know people were pissed similarly for the Gohan not being the main character in the last arc of Z, but as pointed out even by Toriyama, Gohan is NOT Goku. Both of Goku's kids and both of Vegeta's kids also just doesn't care for fighting. Sure, they might have all the potential in the universe but none of them want to act on it or care to. All of them are just too different from Saiyans. They might have the tools to be the universe strongest due to their human and Saiyan halfs, but by that same token, their human half dulls their Saiyan half's instincts. Which includes the battle drive. Also, their violent nature.
Yeah, if Goku found a wife that was into fighting, their kids would have been very different.
Outside of 18, who became an android with enhanced abilities both Chi Chi and Videl are the top 2/3 strongest women of universe 7 in the franchise.
Chi-Chi was able to keep Weighted Goku on his toes during the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. Granted, Goku wasn't taking the fight seriously but the fact she was able to surprise him and keep him on the defensive at least puts her above Goku at battle level during the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai, and she was most likely holding back considering how angry she was. She also most likely wasn't training for any other reason than to impress Goku.
Goku's kids definitely benefitted from her genes as well because Vegeta canonically has better innate potential than Goku (the main difference is their mindsets).
What else would you expect from some millennial/Gen Zers. 😂
Human gang over here I think they have more potential than sayians. Look at some of the aliens they fight that don’t transform and have insane power levels.
You do know Goku became stronger than all of them in base multiple times right?
@@UnifiedEntity you do know he had to work twice as hard right?
@@UnifiedEntity look at Gohan, had a random low level saiyan dad and random human mom. At 6 years old, he was strong enough to harm his uncle who had been fighting and getting stronger since birth. Sure, humans don’t get much power level wise, but their potential is undeniable.
@@Anni3sgotagun you do know as a kid he was literally stronger than..well all the humans right?
@@joshuaconnall4237 Gohan is half Saiyan. He's able to have a high power level at birth because he's part Saiyan. Take that away, and he would never have been that strong.
Ever since I was a kid I've always wanted the humans to have a personal power up that could rival the top tiers.
i love your dragonball videos, you hit so many great points, i love every Dragonball characters, i wish for all of them get their shine, no matter if it big or small, i would love to see a Dragonball movie starring Piccolo as the main hero, just coming off the superhero movie, now he has his new forms, and having Lord Slug as the main villain, that would be sweet to see, also it would be perfect to added Lord Slug, keep up the great work, i would love to see you talk about smaller characters like Bergamo, would be cool and fun,
I was so excited to see Videl's storyline. I still can't believe they never did it.
Tein is a goddamn role model. They did my boy dirty. He should easily be the strongest human, but he's not Goku's bestie.
This is a thing that I always wanted to see for him. Tein has a fight where He uses multiform and shows that he learned kaio Ken and with those multiple versions he goes kaio Ken times 500
something crazy and using neo tribeam or kai cannon whatever you want to call it and wreck somebody that is far stronger than him. His main body won't use high multiplier kaio Ken but the clones will to the point of
death, but it doesn't matter because they're clones and that's the brilliance.
They're not useless, but they are definitely underrated
They are useless but that’s mostly due to Toriyama and Team Four Star to a lesser degree.
I love Tien and Yamcha, they got hoed in super along with Rilling but I always liked Tien and Yamcha more. Felt like Tien should have had a bit more screen time and feats given he never stops training. Atleast there was that dope scene with Semi-Cell. Bulma comes in clutch with technology and sorta started the search for the dragon balls. With do many super strong characters, I can't help but love the ones weaker when compared to the other
At the beginning of DB, Goku fought humans like Yamcha, Krillin, Master Roshi, and few others that gave Goku a tough fight, but once Goku begin to tap into the true power of the Saiyans, the difference between Goku's strength and the humans grew further and further, especially with all the Saiyan's transformations. The only human that can give a tough fight with the current Goku is Uub, the reincarnation of Kid Buu with the power of the Grand Supreme Kai, but some people don't think it counts since Uub's soul is that ancient destroyer that destroy countless planets.
What’s the point of this comment? All you did was point out something extremely obvious? Are you trying to justify the shitty way power creep was handled by making an obvious statement?
This is why I wish there was some pride trooper-esque arcs for the other Z fighters. Like they're tasked by the Supreme Kai to travel through space and fight bad guys as a means to advance U7.
That’s pretty much what the Garlic Jr saga was and fans complained cause it didn’t have Goku.
@@Linklex7What Z ruined was the ability to have filler episodes of Goten & Trunks finding the Dragon Balls with the Z Warriors and training with them. Having both the kids talk down to the humans for not being Saiyans, and then put into their place because of the difference of skill and experience is something that DBZ/S/> always lacked
Tien the strongest one 💯% he never folded against Cell and Super Buu like Krillin did
Haha shut up, Tien folded himself against Cell
He got one kick from buu and didn't get back up 😂
@@kaishinkugaming2420 He dodged a blast from Buutenks and made him avoid his Tribeam, Krillin ran like a bitch from weaker Superbuu 💀 Tien would stomp Krillin
@@darthsidious4274 Tien was still ready for a battle didn’t gaf about the powergap, Krillins just a straight up coward ever since he got blown up by Frieza lol
@@maximumoverdrive3520 that still doesn't make krillin a coward especially when he has been present against nearly every major threat even more than tien, he literally distracted frieza by cutting his tail and showed a good performance in the saiyan against nappa and vegeta while also staying alive until goku gets back while also protecting gohan even when android 17 and 18 has literally one shotted every single z fighter despite being afraid of them he was still ready to face them and that takes quite a courage even for a human despite the obvious result. Not to mention his arsenal of techniques consisting of destructo disk along with tien's solar flare and tri-beam actually holding the capability to be used upon much stronger opponents while also killing them but toriyama never make the best use if these techniques. Not to diss on Tien as he is my personal favorite among the human fighters but that doesn't mean u have to undermine krillin to show tien's relevancy as a fighter.
The story wouldn't continue without them. It sucks that they aren't used in the story as much anymore. This just me but i wish we get a Avengers Endgame style arc across the Universes. It can expand with the Humans, U6 Saiyans, possible new races, GoDs/Angels, etc but it will most likey never happen
Anyone else catch that “peace, freedom, Justice, and security” reference?👌🏼
If Bulma created a time machine, she could have turned herself into an android too.
Somehow, after Krillin, Mr. Satan is the most useful human for his buu saga help
Early gang
"When will Gohan have a baby?" BRO WHAT?💀💀💀💀
It would be interesting to see an arc where for a portion of it, some villain causes the saiyans to be disabled due to some magic, imprisons them, or transports them to a different universe. Then we can see Piccolo, Krilin, Tien, and Yamcha shine for a bit. They can still write Vegeta and Goku beating the main villain but to not have it be focused on them the whole arc would be interesting to see.
9:26 That's a interesting sea green 'stache
What i want is to see, is a team up of Bulma techs and the humans ki martial arts. Like a suit that could either emplify their ki or a suit like Guyver that would requier a powerful user because it can move beyond the speed of light.
time to help out Team Four Star and make "it's Kriller Time" a thing.
on top of the fusion buffs... Gokule, half human hybrid perks maybe ? ah, so you had the thought too. haha
Bulma was the brains, Launch and Yamcha were like the bodyguards of the group (when Goku wasn’t around), Krillin was the best friend, Tien was like the rival antagonist turned role model, Chiatzou like the little brother character, Roshi the mentor, and even Yajirobe was that friend who acted tough but had a bigger heart than he let on. The human characters brought a kind of dynamic that was refreshing or relatable. It came back with Videl for a while with Gohan going to high school and with his Saiyaman arc.
Too bad little to none of this was conveyed. Especially whatever you’re trying to make out of Tien lmao it’s just bad writing dude you don’t have to justify it you’re allowed to be entertained by bad writing
Kienzan used to be dangerous but as shown later on, with enough strength you can eat those in your sleep. Taiyoken can be pointless if you can sense ki which at this point nearly everyone can. 😅
0:37 finally someone else realizes this
Tien's tribeam is one of those attacks that really should be made into a bigger deal than it is because it, like the destructo disk, has the unique capacity to actually lose an absolutely massive gap in power and make him situationally useful despite not being a literal walking god like Goku and Vegeta now are. My theory on it is exactly that - that it multiplies the energy put in exponentially, and I think the nature of the attack - focused between this hands in this narrow window like that - provide a clue as to how. I think first of all that it DOES have a massive focusing effect on the blast, which effectively magnifies its power many times over - but ALSO I think he's letting off more than one at a time. Notice that his hands form a bit of a triangle shape - yet the SHAPE he blasts out is a SQUARE. So I think he's firing MULTIPE LAYERS at once and they are rotating on their way down - two triangles flipped around will form one square. So that is perhaps the secret to that technique. NOW, if Tien could create some hyper-focused laser version of that, it would have SCARY penetrating power that could probably put a hole in any major villain - the only thing of course is that most dragonball villains after frieza have the annoying ability to either absorb energy or regenerate. If they couldn't, Vegeta would have put Perfect Cell down before Goku even got done training when he shot a hole through him with final flash. Blasted regen.
I think the biggest problem with the tribeam is that it uses life force
If Tien could hold Cell's second form, then he could have vaporized any android or super saiyan at that time, which is crazy
Tien would have basically been the savior of the Cell arc if krillin didn't fuck it up for some robussy.
also, lets be real, launch would have eventually ended up vegeta if she was in dbz. Vegeta meets a kind blue haired earth woman that turns into a powerfull golden haired warrior when she sneezes, he would probably call her the super saiyan human or something like that. Saiyans love strong women, and launch is up there with chichi in terms of strength (strength of will and character, not the ability to punch good.)
i wonder if launch will come back in the new series.
Pretty sure the 'stache' gives krillin + 10% luck, 20% skill and 15% concentrated power of will
If I was a Z-Warrior I would just use the Dragon Balls to wish for immortality and Saiyan potential. I'd be damned to let aliens take all the credit for protecting the Earth!
24:19 *_OBJECTION!!!_* I don't care what some unofficial guide book says. Piccolo laid the law down that anyone who wasn't qualified to fight a super Saiyan couldn't show up for the raid on the Androids.
That puts Tenshinhan, Krillin and Yamcha all over 100 million.
Even if they're a little weaker than Namek Frieza (which I doubt) they would be close enough to win on superior skill
Men you had me subscriving just for how you talk about krillin.
Edit: i was already a subscriver. 😂
I have to be honest, I grew up with DBZ old dub, with the Rock the Dragon theme. I did watch a few Dragonball episodes when I went out of the country and saw it in Spanish then in English when I could find it, and I did own the VHS movies. I do want to stream it, or collect Dragonball. When Dragonball FighterZ came out, and challenged people online…. Everyone was using the big power houses, and mostly Saiyans and Fusions, including me. I started to use Videl, Krillen, Yamacha, Broly, Tien, Kefla. I would lose no matter what characters I used most of the time, but I got good with Videl that I got complemented and she was the one who would get me out of the tough fighters.
I do give credit to those characters that got lost in the shuffle. My defense for Toriyama is that he always worked so hard, and in other projects that have his art style. Chrono Trigger, Dragon Quest, Dragonball. He even admitted he was so forgetful because in order to come up with new ideas he had to clear his head, and forget a lot of material and lore 😢 which is a shame for sure. I do like Dragon Ball Super, but completely different reasons I like Dragon Ball, and Dragon Ball Z. I’m not into the beast Gohan look. Piccolo was overdue a power up transformation, which same goes to the underrated characters. Totally agree with Tien been a bad ass, Krillen I can totally relate with, and Yamcha, has been a joke for to long.
I forgot to mention because in the games Dragon Ball super the card version of it and even the Nintendo Super Dragon Ball Heroes: World Mission had these amazing class ups including Super God Class-Up
The only race that didn't get it was the humans but that's because you can't play as a human but if you could they probably would have let you have it too as a human considering that there was a Android that was basically a copy of cell and if that one can get it humans probably could get it too.
If anyone should have ultra instinct, should be piccolo with all his meditation and calm mind training.
Resume video at 24:12.
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If I were writing this, I would have Piccolo put everyone in a boot camp to grow in power - well at least the higher lords. Because of this, Tien begins to feel some kind of way about Piccolo and the Saiyans not really seeing them as any true means to defeat beings as powerful as them.
This has all of the humans thinking about that and not having hard feelings, but feeling a way still, each human seems to come to the same conclusion when a group of pirates come to take resources from both Monster Island. Fighting next to the Androids without any Saiyans - including the boys, or namekians except Dende, they begin to understand they have a place protecting Earth.
17 trains them by realizing they needed to tap into the deepest recesses of their genetic being. Bulma studies everyone and figures out that using the Sensu, she can create some beans keyed to each fighter's genetic code. This helps unlock not only latent power, but hidden potential by feeding directly to their cells what they need.
I would have that for them and then have them training more in the HBTC and I would surely have them go to Yardrat and train their spirit for spirit balance.
Imagine them all becoming like 10 to 100x stronger than they have ever been? And after all their training, send them first to King Kai for the craziest training only for Tien to go further by then training with Piccolo and then with Future Trunks. Yamcha goes back to Master Roshi, but also ends with asking Supreme Kai for help. He finds that Tien did the same thing whereas Krillin's family helps him become far more powerful.
Fore me, by the time they all meet up again, every single human of the Z Fighters would be more powerful than Cooler's ultimate form!
Coronel Silver, random red ribbon boxer that can casually defeat multiple heavy weight champions move like a blur in a match against goku. No special training, no ki.
Even tho DC and Marvel comics have their issues, humans are still relevant such as Batman Inc. Green Arrow, Captain America and both Nick Furies. DB Humans needs their own stories to star in. Shoot they need to do Yamcha like Johnny Cage was done in Mk9 to Mk1 (reboot)
chichi - Super saiyan Factory
Bulma - Dragon raidar, money, fixer of androids
yajerobi - grower of sensu beans
Krillan - the errand boy
Yamcha - the human shield
Anyone ever notice that no one with any kind of power was an animal-person? There are a couple that had a tiny bit of power King Rabbit (Deceased, was on the moon prior to it being blown up) and the "vampire" guy in Babba's mini tournament arc.
I wonder who could be the role model in the human set of characters
Saiyan Scholar, Your Favorite NOT Unrated
Humans Are Krillin Yamcha,
And, Tien Shinhan
Thanks For Giving Goku's Old Friends Respectful Topics
Perhaps, Krillin And, Yamcha Could Be Role Models As Well
Roshi's Master
Is Someone That Was Forgotten He Saved The World Sealing Piccolo Jr.'s Dad In The Rice Cooker
Being Called, "Containment Wave"
I said this on another video but since we're talking about Bulma and Gero's tech genius here, I must reiterate that Gero was *frighteningly* well educated. Not only was he an engineer, but also a biochemist, geneticist, physicist, computer scientist, and even a damn brain surgeon. And possibly much more.
Also it's kind of a shame that Trunks destroyed King Cold's ship. Salvaging that technology could have been very beneficial to the world. Healing pods, anyone? Bulma could easily reverse engineer those.
That's why people are losing interest in this show because if it's one Lesson you can take for this anime it's if you're not human anything is Possible, Someone who's become A fan of naruto And black clover I grown to respect Yamcha
I love the humans in dragon ball. Especially Krillin and Yamcha
Krillin been on the front line for every major battle.He's a thorough soldier for real.
Krillin was my favorite character in DBZ when I first saw it in the 90s. Strongest human.
Videl used to like fighting and now she doesn't. SO did Chi chi, people change "gohan's sidekick" so what? Every good hero needs one and being a good mom/wife makes her awesome if Krillin gets a pass for having a peaceful life so should she.
I would definitely be one of the people who gets murdered by the main villain of the week and somehow get wished back with everyone else.
there's a couple of fan mangas where krillin and yamcha became an android. Krillin kikoho'd x10 and stacked it with kaioken x20 and he bodied cell. and in the Dragon Ball Multiverse fan manga, yamcha was an android and pretty much wrecked everyone he faced. that pretty much answers it for me what happens if the humans became androids.
Tian yes I can respect for all of his hard work. My issue with the humans is that they make the stupidest decisions. There are ways of catching up to their saiyan counterparts wasn’t the hyperbolic time chamber rebooted or upgraded so that there’s no time limit why are they not training there every day or every other day for that matter? 10 years of training in a day every day they would catch up in no time, but they don’t do things like that. Instead, they go train under a waterfall for no reason with methods that honestly hinder their progress to snail speed.
I was taken aback by the lack of intro.
I think the reason hybrids are so strong is because Saiyan transformations are rooted in emotion but the Saiyans are such a tough stoic masculine race they suppress their emotions most of the time. The Hybrids have the Super Saiyan transformation but also the human emotional side to bring forth it's raw power.
I would love to see, now that Piccolo got his power up back to relevancy in Super Hero, Krillin decide he needs to step up and catch back up. Spend a year w/18 in the time chamber, maybe ask Dende to contact Elder Kai and unlock his ultimate potential. Then use the Pendulum room from the anime and see where he stacks up. Krillin going against a past Goku who was say training for the androids if Krillin can get a decent win there would be nice to see. I'm not saying Krillin needs to jump to the point of taking down Perfect Cell, but definitively stating he's somewhere between Goku on Namek and Semi perfect Cell would be an awesome boost for the guy. and then have him beat Tien in an exhibition match to light a fire under his butt.
They need some sort of superhuman power up to make them relevant again.
The Saiyans are human too, Zalama wiped their memories to cover up the Shenron race history of kidnapping humans and making Saiyan babies.
I’d love it if every z fighter got their own niche to stay relevant. Gorky has ultra instinct, Vegeta Ultra Ego, Gohan and piccolo with their movie forms. Let Krillian and Roshi come up with sweet moves that swing way above their power level, and not be stolen by Goku right away, Tien can lean into super powerful attacks that drain his life force like Cell saga, maybe give Chautsu healing powers from studying from Dende so they can pair off. Androids get ki negation/lack ki like the World Eater arc, and maybe routine upgrades from Bulma. Maybe let Goten and Trunks get some ascended fusion technique, and other tag team abilities.
I was sad to see Videl get pushed to the side, as a character. I think for the humans that is what constantly happens. As we see with Yamcha, Krillain, and Tien, they have to go the slow route in powering up. They don't get a cool Zenkai boost, they have to put in the effort to just keep up only to be the group that fights the henchmen.
I mean...humans are...just like IRL
"Bulma was able to build this in a cave, with a box of scraps!"
Krillin should get a better roshi's bulk transformation. I think everyone should get a transformation. Tien should get one, Yamcha should get a wolf one, and Chiatzu has so much potential.... like some mystic psychic power within him, a form or a beast locked inside him, making that why he's creepy looking.
Everyone is really sleeping on the Earthling Soul from Fighter Z.
If it wasn’t the soul of a child, imagine how much havoc an E.S. From a full-grown person would wreak. *ESPECIALLY* if the soul belonged to a human that was killed and revived multiple times through the series.
Not to mention what an experienced Earthling Soul would be capable of. The most powerful characters being reduced to helpless puppets, the Soul looking through their memories to perfectly imitate the host body. Maybe learning how to hide themselves so even gods can’t detect them, or even hijacking said gods!
Maybe that’s the human’s true power. A secret race of body snatchers that are unraveled and uncompressed, (notice that human souls in Dragon Ball were never depicted as a golden ball before Fighter Z.) are held back by Enma and kept in check to prevent these glowing orbs from spreading through the universe.
Imagine in the next game there’s an antagonist Earthling Soul that’s just sick of his/her species being nothing more than weak fodder to be killed over and over again, and seeks payback for it all.
we out here preaching the good word of krillin.
7:44 its a shame that this will never happen
Ok honestly if we were to pit Yamcha,Tien Krillin and Master Roshi against DBZ Movie villains they would probably Win.
49:00 Wait a moment! Travels to the past even back then as kid Goku?? Why didn’t Beerus or Whis have a problem with this instance of time travel???
Imagine an arc where Bulma tries to make a service android, but saw the Z fighter's power levels and wanted it for itself.
Bulma could easily make herself one of the most powerful beings in the universe with her genius. She could in theory make herself into an android that rivals android 18 and android 17 if she wanted.
Don't you worry in Dragan Ball Super even a yougurt can get a God power upgrade!
Holding their own until the invincible demigods show up is pretty useful ngl, plus Tien isn't really one to fuck around with, and Yamcha...... I'm the only person that made a Yamcha hat, because nobody likes Yamcha but me :(
I think it would be more interesting if dbz were less about power, but it is, and because of that its jarring to see master roshi be able to dodge attacks, when in the sagas prior it was always shown that when a character is massively stronger than an an opponent they're faster than them as well
Can you imagine how good the succ Krillin got ?
The humans are not useless at all, man. They each have their roles and personalities outside of fighting.
I’ve often thought the same about Krillin. You could be the most powerful characters like Goku and Vegeta or you could be Krillin and have the best looking woman in the entire dragon ball universe. If you think about from a narrative perspective who else would have 18 ended up with. Tien is too focused on his lifestyle and 18 wouldn’t tolerate Yamcha
Bulma can collect dragon balls faster then everyone else
We can assume that Tiens Kikoho is NOT a ki-based attack but consumes life/spirit force, the energy that Goku uses to form the spirit bomb, which explains the danger to his life, and the massive power output. We see other characters use life force mainly to make a bomb out of themselves which Is a crude way of using this energy and that means you need very special training to handle it. It is so hidden that Goku received it in the afterlife from King Kai. Tien learned Kikoho from Crain hermit which was stated in DB tournament by Roshi. Crain either developed it himself or learned it from master Mutaito, who was an average fighter but a brilliant scientist in spirit (not ki ) energy. Based on this assumption we could state that Kikoho scales not from the strength of the individual using it but from the control mastery of the life force manipulation. Since there is a finite amount of life energy one person has for his life and nothing else, it is logical that if you are using it for something else, the life span shortens, so you would need to learn how to harness the energy from outside the body and use it for attacking, making the spirit bomb technique a correct way of doing this.
Chiaotzu wanted be on thumbnail too...
34:27 - But why make4 Andtroids? Why not go all-out Tony Stark and make armor to grant more strength and energy projection to someone like Krillin or Yamcha? Can't see Tien willingly accepting that, but I could see her deciding to become more proactive and... oh, nevermind... you're making this point around 36:00... Heh...
The perfect example of bad writing is Resurrection F. The Human characters are only important for 30 minutes and when Goku and Vegeta appear they become commentaries from a basketball match
I think all of the Saiyan hybrids human side is always given credit, they're so strong because their Saiyan power is linked and controlled by their human emotions
When they ask him, is it all about playing fighting strengthen who taught him that I would say the entire last series it’s good that they’re trying to steer away from that though
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Bulma made the Time Machine
Mister satin helped with the spirit bomb