Panzergrenadier Squad Tactics '44
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- Опубліковано 3 тра 2021
- Panzergrenadier Squad Tactics based on a German semi-official training manual from 1944 that specifically looks at Squad (Gruppe) Tactics not platoon, company or others.
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Wehren, Helmut von: Gefechtsausbildung der Panzergrenadiere. Verlag „Offene Worte“: Berlin, Germany, 1944.
H.Dv. 299/4a: Ausbildung und Einsatz der Panzergrenadierkompanie a (Entwurf). 1943 (H.Dv.).
Kast, Bernhard (ed.); Bergs, Christoph (ed.): The Assault Platoon of the Grenadier-Company November 1944. German Army Pamphlet - Merkblatt 25a/16. Deutsch / English. Bernhard Kast: Linz, Austria, 2020.
Panzergrenadierkompanie c (gepanzert) K.St.N.1114c (gp) (1.11.1943)
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Senger und Etterlin, Ferdinand Maria von: Die Panzergrenadiere. Geschichte und Gestalt der mechanisierten Infanterie 1930-1960. J. F. Lehmanns Verlag: München, Germany, 1961.
Fleischer, Wolfgang/Eiermann, Richard: Die motorisierten Schützen und Panzergrenadiere des deutschen Heeres 1935 - 1945. 1999.
TM 30-506: German Military Dictionary. German-English. English-German. War Department: Washington D.C., USA, 1944.
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>> Errors & Corrections
The I in hinder is pronounced like the I in hit. Think behindern without the be and final n.
@@billbolton hinder meets tinder is what you meant
@@typxxilps yup, maybe that's a better way to put it.
That doesn't work out
Why is it 4 days ago but the video has been posted 2 hours ago
"Half-track is driving peacefully"
Thus we're using the manual for mobile operations during Sundays.
MOSTLY Peaceful. The guys in the halftrack are starting fires in the name of Social Justice.
Wehrmacht while peacefully invading USSR was brutally attacked by the Red Army.
@Charles Yuditsky such a vicious guile. Nazi were supposed to kill communists, not vice versa!
@@dmh0667ify 8
My father was a panzergrenadier machinegunner with the 3 rd Panzerarmy,Armygroup Center. After a short training in Denmark he was shipped to the the eastern front october-43 only 17 years old. His introduction to the front was a veteran showing him three bodies on a tarp all with a nice hole in their forehead killed by sniper. The veteran told my father pointing at the bodies ,one at the time. "He was a machinegunner,he was a machinegunner and he was a machinegunner". My father told me that his legs went spaghetti. It was the veterans way of teaching my father that only when necessary have his head over the edge of the trench.
Those replacements with only short training died like flies but my father managed to stay alive even though at the beginning he was set on winning medals for the fatherland so he volunteered for every mission. After a while surviving the missions he was seen as a bringer of luck so the others soldiers always wanted that he would participate in their missions. As he said "They took me along on all kind of shit". Fighting in urban areas was what he favoured least. They would work in teams of three. One moved and the other two covered the moving one. He told me when he came to a streetcorner he would shoot out a bit of the housecorner so he could rest his machinegun while spraying the street or be ready to cover the guy who was moving. He had a czech machinegun .Probably the same machinegun as the british Bren machinegun which is a licensebuilt from a czech machinegun.
They used to sit on tanks behind the turret going in to the combat area and it happened that the tankhatch opened and one of the crew with a submachinegun pointing at them told them that it was time to get off the tank. Guess they had asked polite before with a bad result so the crew learnt how to do it the with a successful outcome. Maybe the crew didn't want to enter combat with a lot of soldiers on their tank hampering their combatreadiness or making them an more attractive target. He did get a more than fair share of fighting standing in the way of the russian offensive "Operation Bagration" summer 1944. He was surrounded by the russians in the town of Vilnius but managed to fight his way out. He was surrounded by the russians in a polish city by the Baltic sea and got evacuated by submarine which got attacked with depthcharges by a russian destroyer . He had made bayonetcharges towards russian machinegunpositions and much more.He told me when the russians had attacked and the germans counterattacked they had to have some soldiers who put a bullet or bayonet in the russian bodies so they wouldn't suddenly pop up throwing handgrenades or start shooting around them.
After being a month behind russian lines he managed to get back to the german lines . Being only skin and bones he got two weeks R&R in Denmark. At the end of the stay which was end -44 or beginning -45 he was asked if he would like to go to the russian front or the west front. He told me that it was no choice as the russian front was so much more brutal so he answered west front. He was then sent to Paderborn to learn guerillawarfare (Rueckkämpfer) but as he said "The americans were near so it was getting out in the surroundings and start practising directly". They put together kampfgruppen with all sort of soldiers even from the navy. He fought near Paderborn and also at Kassel. He told me they were holding a crossroad when the got incoming fire from all directions thus beeing surrounded by the americans. They could fight their way out by blasting an american tank in the process but not without losses. Later 8 th of april 1945 he was captured by US 5th armoured division outside Springe.
After that he went to Attichy as a pow and ended up in a prisoncamp at Reims. Being a pow had it risks also.He could have been killed many times as a pow but that would take hours to tell. He was released after the summer in 1946 returning to Germany.
I absolutely loved to read this story. Did he write a diary or a book about it?
@@Makrangoncias Glad you loved it. No unfortunately he didn't write a book or diary about it.Would probably be too painful. He didn't really like to speak about the war but during the years he could tell me about episodes and I could learn more and more about his days as a soldier as the years went by.
He died 2017 at age 90 years old after living a remarkable life. A small wonder that he got that old after so many close calls he had. He took a shot through his collarbone,shrapnel trhough his leg and some shrapnel up his ass :). After the war he enlisted as a soldier in the US army in Germany for a short while. But he told me he knew sooner or later he would again be sent off to some war so he quit.I've seen a picture were he is in an american uniform and helmet with a crosman carbine in his hands.
In 1950-52 he got a job in Sweden and emigrated. During a trip back to Germany he was involved in a serious caraccident outside Greifswald Germany. Both his friends in the forward seat a married couple were killed instantly. My father just barely alive with his skull cracked an eye hanging out spent a long time in german hospital.The doctors wanted to amputate his eye but one of the doctors told my father not to let them do it so he said no to it.
He was also told that he would never be able to walk again but his stubbordness helped him and after a years training he could walk again. His eye was pointing in the wrong direction but he had read an article about Bob Hope how doctors had helped him with his eyes. So he did the same. He started wearing an eyepatch which he made a little hole in the front where the light came in and eventually it led to his eye pointing forward again.
I have to write all down of what I know of my fathers history so it want be lost when I die. I can still rember hearing him say "As long as no one is shooting at me I'm happy".
Such a shame he never wrote it all down. There are so few first hand German accounts, and some of the best known ones are highly suspicious (Sajer’s memoirs, for example).
Please do write down what you can and get it in print or at least on the web. As many details as possible, dates, locations, unit names, etc - with photos of any surviving documents and of course photos of the man himself. Otherwise this all ends up in the trashpile of history 🚮
@@sirrathersplendid4825 Agree, this story deserves to be remembered.
@@sirrathersplendid4825 There is a german YT-channel bacuffz. He narrates diaries from german soldiers. It is in german though.
My grandfather served in the HQ Coy of the 71. division as a fuel truck driver. They had a divisionn newspaper called "Das Kleeblatt" (The Cloverleaf) after the division emblem, a 4petal cloverleaf. It was published after the war, too. It contained after action reports and such. The division took part in the french campaign, Barbarossa with the end in Stalingrad. Affter the re-establishment they fought in Yugoslavia, and in Italy near Monte Cassino. Sadly those of my granddad perished after his death or even before, as much as I now. This should be a great source if they surviverd somewhere.
2:35 "Which might sound odd, but it is just precise."
The German language in a nutshell, really.
Oh, that's _military_ language, in any big one. For example, the American "101st Airborne Division (Air Assault)" gets parachute (airborne) training for historical and financial reasons -- the US Army has ways to get soldiers paid better than marines -- but is only equipped and intended for helicopter-based (air assault) operations. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Assault_Badge
So according to the final example, if they encounter an MG, then it just becomes a drive-by
With potato mashers.
@trainbomb This Comment of yours is a Bruh Moment
1.The Example they Talk about is with an Entrenched MG, no Mention of an AT Gun.
2.Isn't that already Obvious that an AT Gun,which was designed to destroy Heavily Armored Vehicles, is able to penetrate a relatively lightly Armored Vehicle? It wouldn't be different with Russian/American/British Mechanized Troops and a 7.5cm PaK of the Germans.
3.The Person making the Manual even knows that this would happen and lined up Scenarios which Include Smoke Grenades (AT can't really hit what it can't see),abandoning of the Vehicle and to drive the Vehicle towards Cover where only the Gunner on Top can see out of to suppress the AT Gun.
@trainbomb in real life first shoot always miss
Danke. These tactics videos are my favorite. You never know what the next christmas gift will be. Maybe a squad of Panzergrenadiers.
lol one of UA-cam's canned response options was "Happy holidays!" so here we go ;)
also nice reference to the 30 Panzergrenadier Commandments!
Hope you get Sd. Kfz. 251 instead of 250.
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized haha, nice that you got the reference!
I know! I got a squad of British paratroopers last Christmas and wasn’t familiar enough with their tactics!
@@projectpitchfork860 Unless you're in a recon company. Them little suckers can move! lol
10:13 - "halftrack moves *_peacefully_* along the road"
laughs in Generalplan Ost
the peaceful Panzergrenadier boy scouts on their field trip, with their backpacks, homemade sandwiches and two MG 42 with 900 rpm
Yeah, who doesn't know that situation? You peacefully drive along the highway, and suddenly, there's a machine gun opening fire. Commuting sucks, man.
Just enjoying the scenery
its a halftrack of peace
But statistics show halftracks were peaceful %90 of the time so?
I love the optimism in the training manual thay they would see the guns. Soldiers memoirs often say how they could take so many shots without any clue where they were coming from.
Tank crews or regular infantry man?
Also, it's very kind of the Russians to only oppose them with single, isolated guns that can be flanked with minimal effort. What if the Russians have TWO machine guns, and some riflemen? What is Hans supposed to do then?!
@@markbelew1376 Retreat and get an adequate amount of firepower, most likely?
And training manuals are still like that. Ours always stated things like: After fighting the enemy successfully you sit back up and regroup and march onwards or if not you sit back up for an orderly retreat. I often asked then what to do if everything is a bloody mess and our tanks are on fire. Normal reaction of our officers was then either a dumb face and stating that the manual says nothing about that or that I should not ask so silly questions.
@@mightypirat9875 lol "After fighting the enemy successfully you sit back up" yeah, the manual was basically going through different stages and exactly that was written there as well.
"My Schutzen made a kill." - Panzer grenadier CoH2
"Send them a gift basket."
"Clicking the click, clicking the fuckin click! Fuckin scheiße!" coh1
@@minhducnguyen674 “Schützentrupp, ready!”
@@gtu660 " One foot after the other Kinder!"
That's a bingo!
Everyone who has ever served in the infantry knows that since the invention of man portable machine guns an infantry section or squad is just protection for the machine gun.
In my former outfit, the machine gun teams secured their own flanks using the ammunition bearers. The MG teams provided suppression for the rifle squads which were involved in maneuvering and assaulting the enemy. The riflemen were the bread and butter while MG, mortars, and rockets were support.
@@realWARPIG Americans at it again I see. Where's your air support?
Agreed, a machine gunner on his own is useless, but part of a squad and protected he becomes mighty indeed. Battles in terrains that lack decent lanes of fire are the only places where those beasts aren't king.
@@realWARPIG Care to explain why?
I really appreciate how you do your annotations and show your sources. I wish more youtubers who make informative videos would make them like this. It's really important, especially in this day and age, to know exactly where you information is coming from and that it's factual. Keep it up man! I love watching these during my lunch break!
Glad you like them!
Thank you so much for the amazing content. I appreciate your non biased realistic view on the war. Please keep this amazing work up!
Always found Panzergrenadiers super interesting. Kein Mensch, kein Tier, sondern Panzergrenadier!
Is that actually a song? No man, no beast, we're the soldiers of the East! (just a try-out adaptation)
@@pwmiles56 it's a rhyme about grenadiers.
But there are more. German army loves to make jokingly rhymes about certain troop parts
@@Tankliker Like the one about Minensucher "Wer suchet, der findet. Wer findet, verschwindet." Or "Kaum gefunden, schon verschwunden" xD
The Swiss Army uses rhymes like that as well ;)
I've heard the worst enemy of a Panzergrenadier is the lawnmower. Eliminates your cover *and* your food.
Um die Ecke liegt ein kleines Supermarkt, und das heißt, Edeka
I always love the tactics videos! Especially on vehicles!
Glad you like them!
Intresting how the tactics have not changed much: I have basic training as a mechanizedjaeger(Panssarijääkäri) in the Finnish defence forces. Basicly the principles are the same: fire and move, fast, powerful and do not stop. Only the carrier vehicles have changed. And they have gotten bigger guns.
Assignment to a PzG Spitzengruppe sounds like an assignment to Himmelfahrtskommando.
Sums up this whole channel: "May seem odd, but it's just precise"
I wonder what was the chance a panzergrenadier squad would meet a single gun in the open rather than an enemy infantry platoon supported by said gun.
training manual exercises; you go through the motions of the easy task to be able to the harder task.
Also what are the chances that they travel alone?
Very kind of those AT guns to skimp on infantry support. Also, interesting that the on board MG is used against an emplaced AT gun but not an exposed one.
yeah, overall all the examples feel like wishful thinking - the situations feel super isolated, the half track is alone and the opponents are also alone - kind of weird tbh
@@Furman2137 those are type of "recon by force" scenarios, where a single halftrack or a set of 2-3 vehicles are caught by patrol or point defense. in actual battle ofc something like that wouldn't have any place, but between battles there are a number of small skirmishes like that and squad must be ready for that too
Nice, more tactics videos are allways very appreciated.
Glad you like them!
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized The changing use of radios over the course of the war is one of those things that has a huge impact but which isn't well covered by even a lot of reputable books. I would certainly like to know how radio policies changed over time.
there are sections in the various manuals on the whole signal / radio setup, I haven't had time to read them yet and I doubt many people would be interested at all. I mean even this video is doing very poorly.
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized I am surprised. I know the use of radios by the Wehrmacht was considered extremely significant early on so I figured that the later changes with better RDF and fuel shortages would be interesting for people.
Maybe a lot of people don't understand how significant radio operation is and don't connect its principles with the way EW was conducted more recently?
@@Lawofimprobability It is like logistics not particularly interesting and shiny, I wouldn't say "don't understand" more like "not really care", I know it is important, but I am also not really interested in it as well.
I don t want to be the lonely machine gunner taking the enemy by the front
Luckily, you'll have mate with pistol on your side
Danke für deine Arbeit
Thanks, I was having a hard time visualizing the difference between mounted and Unmounted fighting. This helped clear it up
Alright, time to try it out in Post Scriptum or Squad.
Me who's poor and plays Heroes & Generals: What are these high-quality games?
Good luck trying this with randoms.
@@comradefriendship Try Enlisted
Not as good as any of the games above but certainly interesting
@@W0DAN88 Bruh enlisted is way worse than H&G. Maybe
@@ANWRocketMan with randoms, you get them with mic and moving to where they should is already a blessing
Danke. In the US army of Vietnam, we had not practiced squad tactics except advance, cover, and fire. So this is very good. It is most interesting and, even though I am 76, I will pay attention.
No battle drills?
Fascinating.
TY for uploading.
These tactics video are awesome! Thank you so much
Something about hearing a strong German accent describing the workings of the Nazi military is so satisfying to me
Excellent stuff as always, thanks!
I have to be at work in 30 minutes and here I am learning about the tactics of panzer grenadiers
These tactics videos are so interesting and well done, I will be binging them.
Note the difference between "cover" and "concealment". You can get shot through concealment. "Concealment" just hides you from view but provides no cover sometimes (bush, a wall, etc). Cover you cannot be shot, normally (dirt berms, sandbags, boulders, vehicles, etc)
Gonna use this knowledge in my advanced squad leader board game.
Thank you again for the great vids!
He always explained so good n steady
I really like your channel, very good attention to detail, my new favourite channel!
Thanks youtube algorithm for introducing me to you!
You my friend are doing what i consider my dream job, hystory and military tactics :D.Good job!!
Very interesting but in truth those troops can only achieve success after continuous training, with a good experienced commander and surviving the first fighting or even a battle. Having a much needed veteran commander was becoming more and more a luxury in the final year of war. As I really enjoyed this video I just subscribed and looking forward to see your new videos 👍 👍
These training instructions seem to ignore that the attacking AT or machine gun might have it's own flanking protection.
Quite severely. All manuals assume a somewhat ideal situation, but this seems somewhat extreme.
That's, why most of the manuals mentioned, focused on the platoon and company level. It would be extremely rare for a lone half-track to operate. Generally, a single squad is expected to only take on 1-2 targets anymore and they call in the rest of the platoon. A platoon takes on a single squad and the company a single platoon. In war, you don't want a fair fight.
@@HelloNurse678 yup.
Excellent, practical. This could have some use in reenactments, etc.
Particularly excellent Video & especially enjoyed the animation.
Thank you very much!
The halftrack is the most inconic ww2 german vehicle in my opinion. Such a cool and usefull vehicle
another great video as always :)
Well done.
Great break down.
This remind me a lot of the American Grenadier training videos.
"After the enemy misses you, just casually run up to them and throw a grenade."
well i guess its fine since if the enemy actually hits with his AT-gun, you won't need a manual anymore.
Do one about panzer pioneers or regular ones that would be interesting! Keep up the good work fam!
Very interesting video never seen like this content
Thank You good insight
The Panzergrenadiers greatest enemy is the lawnmower. It removes food, camouflage and shelter.
Thank you.
Great content as always. Looking forward to when you can get back into museums again. Would love to see a colab between yourself and David Fletcher on British tanks and their tactics at some point. Though even just doing it yourself would be great as it would provide good contrast to the German content you have already mad because, as you have mentioned, these systems are only as good as the opposition the enemy provides.
Old British movies "kill or be killed" could provider desired content.
Sorry, that movie was "shot to kill", but I found way more stuff
ua-cam.com/play/PLEt1MkEhouTVQu1eHV0Tq_MOR1RvESt-h.html
once free travel is possible again, I very likely will do an extensive trip to the Tank Museum.
@@alexeysaphonov232 Interesting playlist. Will be sure to give it a look.
i love the visual element and examples you showed, say would there by chance be any plans on showing in a similar way for how they employed tanks?
see my Panzer Tactics videos, there are two.
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized ooo ill look at them now
Motorized and half-motorized units with dudes partially or entirely mounted on trucks was starting to appear when budgets allowed. And with more tracked and/or armoured troop transports being introduced.
This is a long period of transition, you could still find platoons of bike-mounted infantry around Europe into the 60's.
I have noticed in a lot of allied military history that German "Advanced Elements" (Wehrmacht and SS) were also called "Recon Elements".
Danke
Could you make a video on Operation Bagration?
yeah, planned for years, but I haven't come around it yet.
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Many thanks. Until today I thought you had already made one lol
I really enjoy these training manual videos. It brings out the Wargamer in me. Do you do any miniature tabletop wargaming Bernhard?
According to the Wrezsien 1939 magazine & wargaming model kit series, German squads only consisted of 8 men, prior to October 1939, because this was the maximum capacity of a Protze & other troop transports at the time.
It would be interesting if you did a video on squad & platoon organisation, plus tactics, before October 1939, during the Polish campaign.
maybe motorized infantry, because regular infantry squads were actually larger than 10 men before October 1939, then reduced to 10 men.
Nice, espessially the last example. But these examples as many in these instructions are like one in the universe and there are no other enemy and friendly forces in a battlefield. And i wonder how disguised and covered by riflemen AT gun can be outflanked like here and why same AT gun can`t at least hit halftruck or truck.
If the at gun hit then the squad will be dead so no point continuing the scenario. If there are supporting units they will be discovered while trying to flank the at gun at which point the squad will stay in place to bind the enemy, report back to the platoon and then on platoon orders either fall back or become the base of fire for a platoon attack.
@@holoween8103 "If the at gun hit then the squad will be dead" - crew must be very unlucky. Only some of them or even nobody will be dead immediately.
@@TheSunchaster With an at gun hitting from the front the squad would have to be very lucky to survive. Only if the shell stopps at the engine do they have a chance. If the shell gets past that it will destroy the squad. There might be some survivors but as a functional combat unit it ceases to exist.
@@holoween8103 try to check out data about damage that tank crew getting after penetration. In case of German or American / Soviet lend-lease APCs, nvm. The damage will be sort of 1-3 will be dead, other get heavy wound, flesh-wound or even no wound. And it`s nearly same casualties if they will trap into covered enemy positions while outflanking.
I mean also that, the situation itself means that Germans 1) did not good reconnaissance generally 2) get into enemy territory deeply and have no idea about forces in a rear or something else. If there AT gun or even hMG or ATR, there will be infantry.
Надеюсь, понятно.
@@TheSunchaster average casualties for a KOd sherman were 2.6. Even just taking the same casualty rate without adjusting for the difference between the vehicles we get 5.2 casualties for the halftrack.
Even if the entire flanking team gets taken out youre only looking at similar casualties. But like the atg hitting that would be the end of the unit as a combat capable entity.
Also blaming bad scouting is strange since the halftrack in the scenario is the scout. Someone simply has to go first.
Very informative. Some German WW2 halftracks have 2 MGs. (One front as mentioned and one at the rear) i think the rear MG could provide additional suppresive fire.
I wonder how often the marsh wasn't known until the squad was half way committed to trying to cross it in a flanking tactic?
Great video and info as always. You deliver such an outstanding content, that your channel got mentionend in an article in the magazine of the german soldiers union "Die Bundeswehr": "Von Dolchstoß und Blitzkrieg: Militärische Mythen am Lagerfeuer" by Dr. Markus Pöhlmann of the Centre for military history and social science of the German Federal Armed Forces. Congrats!
wow, thanks for the info! You mean the magazine "Y"?
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized No, "Die Bundeswehr" from the Deutsche Bundeswehrverband.
@@shantyman161 danke!
Nice video
Sehr gut, mein Herr.
Dude has the strongest German accent I ever heard. Awesome video.
This is interesting in the context of saving private Ryan, where the American paratroopers engage a German half track and the grenadiers pretty much do none of this lol
weren't they surprised in that scene?
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized I’m pretty sure they open up on the halftrack...the halftrack drives off the road, gets hit again with another bazooka round then the squad dismounts and gets easily picked off one by one. It’s a movie obviously but it always seemed kind of silly that they would fight like that
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized judging by the manual it would seem like would have deployed smoke, maybe used signal flare, move of the road and have the grenadiers fight from inside the halftrack not all of them pile out and get mowed down
Again it’s a war movie and it always seems like the “bad guys” are always in a hurry to run into the bullets of the “good guys” lol
SPR is a cheesy Hollywood movie.
@@PelicanIslandLabs oh for sure...no question. I just always remembered that halftrack scene and this video about the grenadier tactics just made that scene even more cheesy
5:55 Can I suggest the smoke grenade provides obscuration / concealment, not "cover". That is the AT gun's view of the target is reduced but the smoke doesn't provide protection from any subsequent fire.
There are two stages to firing any weapon. 1. Acquiring the target, and 2. Aiming at it accurately. Smoke mainly disrupts step 1, preventing the enemy from being able locate the firer.
@@sirrathersplendid4825 Sure but it doesn't provide "cover". Smoke at best provides "concealment". "cover" and "concealment" have two different military definitions.
@@whya2ndaccount Agreed. It still makes it harder to hit the target, which I believe was his point.
Colloquially you do say “under the cover of darkness”, which again doesn’t chime with the strict military definition.
@@sirrathersplendid4825 A military / Tactical channel should I think use the correct terminology, not colloquialisms. What next "take out" instead of "clear" / "destroy" / "secure", etc. All I wanted to do was to suggest a better wording. If that's unacceptable to you I have better things to do with my time.
@@whya2ndaccount - Ok, don’t burst a blood vessel. I agree with you!
Fair play to the first machine gunner in those scenarios. Weighed down by an mg42 and a massive pair of balls! :-D
great video. it seems in all scenarios described the panzer grenadiers had force superiority... did the manual mention what to do when they dont have force supremacy? would it be disengaging? I feel a enemy squad + anti-tank gun is a greater challenge for an armored panzer grenadier squad.
Late comment but the panzer grenadiers were always expected to have the numbers advantage because that is what the strategy/tactics of bewegungskrieg (coloquially blitzkrieg) entailed. Panzers, supported by mechanized infantry, self-propelled artillery and air support break through weak points, cutting off supply lines and destroying targets of opportunity, thereby isolating parts of an opposing force. Infantry (mobile or otherwise) in conjuction with artillery (mobile or otherwise) and air support is then used to destroy the resulting pockets, divide and conquer, defeat in detail. Even if the enemy had greater numbers/assets in total, these strategies/tactics allowed the german military to punch far above its weight class by isolating enemy elements and defeating them by having more numbers/assets at the right place at the right time.
When these strategies/tactics failed you see the german military take massive losses, example stalingrad. The germans overextended taking stalingrad and then had their own tactics turned on them. Soviet tanks broke through the weak flanks of the german thrust to stalingrad, cut off/encircled the city and the trapped german forces were then destroyed by a greater opposing force of infantry/artillery/aircraft, even if the total number of soviet forces in the region was exceeded by the germans. The germans tried multiple times to break the encirclement but due to the now divided nature of army group south, neither element of the army group could muster the strength to break the encirclement, even if the total numbers would suggest so. Basically most of the troops and assets were in the encirclement getting murdered and most of the supplies needed for those troops to keep fighting was outside the encirclement behind enemy lines, gathering dust.
So, if a panzergrenadier unit encounters a superior enemy force then someone somewhere made a colossal mistake, either recon or the panzer spearhead or the guys in charge of strategy or it was just really bad luck/a combination of the above listed.
Can’t wait for the Operation Bagration vid
the last scenario can be concidered as the first drive-by in history
Nice one dude :)
Paradox entertainment needs to sponsor you - every time I view one of your nice videos - I end up playing a few hours of HoI IV.
thank you, back in 2016 I did a video on HOI IV, although I prefer HOI III: ua-cam.com/video/eyQmhrVKsc0/v-deo.html
I love half-tracks. In my opinion some of the most versatile vehicles of the Second World War.
Now, I know that this is a matter of personal taste, but I always liked the looks of the German half-tracks (especially the Sd.Kfz 251 and Sd.Kfz 11) better than those of the other countries. I used to own quite a few models of different variants when I was a kid and had a lot of room to store them ;)
I have LOVED those half tracks since i was a kid!! I want one, I want one!! (And an MP 40)..
I just wanted to go start another Army General in SDII so I am all here for this.
Burning Baltics?
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Yeah. Awesome to have some smaller campaigns.
Though I am still waiting for the Coop. But they at least said that it'll be done soon recently.
An excellent video! Could you tell me more about the cone shaped magnetic chargers? What were they called, bitte? Guten Tag!
I love these videos about tactics. Would you make another one about volksgrenadiers?
7:05 this seems very flawed. How does the suppressing MG know to stop firing to prevent them hitting the assault force behind the AT gun? The assault force also risks hitting the suppressing MG and half-track beyond their target....
One day you will have no related footage of the Panzermuseum, but you'll be legally obliged to mention them anyway because you're wearing a shirt bought there on that day.
Awesome, and i always thought they were used a long side tanks to give support.
that as well, but these are the basics for the squad. Cooperation with tanks is on a larger level.
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Good info thanks from Australia 🇦🇺
Hey do you think you could make a ww2 usmc squad tactics video
I‘ve also always been curious about recon forces, since a lot of these formations include Platoons, Companies or even Bataillons that are designated recon, but I‘ve never seen anything concrete about how these were used.
The only thing I was able to find on YT was one video about modern doctrine, which notes that recon forces always tend to get roped into regular fighting which isn‘t supposed to be their job. I think one of the tactics reports you quoted from the eastern front also stated that recon forces need more firepower.
The trick with recon was to spot the enemy and then scoot before they could bring their weapons to bear. Wasn’t unusual for men to dismount from armoured cars and move up the final few tens of metres on foot to recce an enemy position. Recce forces also commonly had quite a few MGs allowing them to put down suppressing fire while they scooted or waited for heavier support.
If the half track was that close the forward gun wouldnt be able to hit it with the gunshield on it. I think most didn't have the gun shield though but one of the other MGs could suppress from the half track bed.,
Of course it's precise.
When you realize enemy usually comes with 100 armor cars
3~4 MGs... Jesus, that's a hell of fire power.
To have two MG 42s machine guns gave the half-tracks a terrifying firepower against infantry or AT positions!
It's interesting that the squad composition doesn't have an anti vehicle specialist. Maybe it's a recon element and meant to be lightly equipped?
Could you do a video on the largest militarily shotguns and anything equivalent like grapeshot and canister shot?
Enjoyed this. There is a UA-cam US WW2 training video on the German MG42 and how they really aren't dangerous and are much inferior to US machineguns. Not of course that the MG42 depicted is actually deployed like the Germans would have used it. The US WW2 tank training films are also "hilarious". As you know training films start out at the lowest level possible - the squad. Following that would be the platoon video on how to deploy a platoon - likely add a squad to the defenders. Then the one on how to deploy a company where they run into a platoon, possibly with a tank supporting it. The first is taught to the entire squad. The second would be taught to the platoon and squad leaders. The third to the Company CO, 2nd in Command, and the Platoon leaders. Everyone would also run sand table exercises and possibly field exercises although late in the war there wouldn't be fuel to do that. Any veterans including the training personnel at the German schools would also add their experience. German training was much more realistic than ours which by 1974 still wasn't very good (I left the US Army in Germany in 1974).
The 1944 Panzergrenadier Platoon (gp) on paper had a HQ 251/1 or 251/10 or 251/17 command track with the platoon HQ and gun crew in it, three 251/1 each with a squad for a total of around 33 men, 9-11 LMG (3-4 mounted on the tracks plus 1 in HQ and 2 in each squad) and possibly one 37mm gun (251/10) or 20mm autocannon (251/17). Two company HQ half-tracks each with 1-2 machineguns plus two more 251 platoons plus the weapon platoon with a 251/1 or 251/10 or 251/11 command half-track, and 2 251/9 with 75L24 cannon and 2 251/2 with 81mm mortars rounded out the company. The weapon company could also have 2 251/1s each with 2 MG with heavy mounts or 3 251/17 each with a HMG crew with a MG42 and heavy mount. Again on paper.
The 250/1 company in the reconnaissance battalions of the Panzer and Panzergrenadier Divisions was organized the same except there were 2 250/1 for every 251/1 squad vehicle. A 250/10 or 250/11 replaced the 251/10 and 251/11. There were no 251/17 and the 250/7 replaced the 251/2 mortar carrier and a 250/8 the 251/9 75L24 gun vehicle. A platoon had 1 250/10 or /11 command vehicle (or 250/1) and six 250/1.
A U.S. Army armored infantry platoon had 1xM3A1 with .50 M2HB, a rifle squad with the Platoon HQ mixed in, 2xM3 with .30 M1919A4 LMG and a squad of riflemen each (12 men, 1 driver), a MG squad with a M3A1 w/.50 M2HB and two M1919A4 light machinegun (LMG) teams, and a M3 or M3A1 with a M1919A4 LMG and a 60mm mortar squad (which used the mortar from outside of the vehicle). Each vehicle had a bazooka for a total of 5 with the crews coming from the squads. SMG were issued by the Company HQ to squads on an as needed basis. 2 M3A1 half-tracks for the HQ, 2 more Armored Infantry platoons and a platoon of 4 M3A1 half-tracks and 3 towed 57mm anti-tank guns made up the Company (plus some jeeps, trucks, a maintenance half-track). Added LMG and BAR were scrounged or removed from knocked out vehicles.
As lame as it sounds, I like these videos because it gives me new things to try out while playing Bolt Action.
Do the squad's MG 42s get mounted on the SdKfz 251? Does the squad possess four MGs or two? Fully dismounted except driver and co-driver the squad could use their own two mg 42s and then the co-driver still has the front (or rear) MG mounted for use, correct? I'd assume they had four, but with the Wehrmacht in '44 what was on paper wasn't necessarily so in the field.
unfortunatelly the ambush did not really work out that way as shown around 4:15 cause not a single enemy truck / tank appeared, but and endless stream of those and the ambush would turn in a trap soon.
For the 4:20 map was there no distance scale?
I was confused as to how the armored car crew didn’t see the half track
Question: As the majority of panzergranadiers squads use regular trucks, what changes in terms of tatics. I think you could cover that.
So.... we the heck did the other two riflemen came from? I mean, it was said at the beginning of the video that 44 only two riflemen were left per squadron.
I wonder how halftracks deal in case of an air-attack, such as a fighter bomber strafing.
The AT-Gun symbol seems counter intuitive as the barrel sticks out the front of the frame and wheels.
That moment when you realized this video is so useful to implement the tactics in MOWAS 2 and Gates of Hell: OSTFRONT and it works...
Great video!
How do the MG assistants assist the MG gunner? Are they like carrying ammo and things like that? Aren't they very vulnerable with just a pistol ?
Probably spend most of the time feeding the belt for the MGs and/or carrying ammo.
@Kek DerTrollige - Also for spotting enemies. Initially the MG34 had three crew to cope with all the lugging of ammo especially, and even more members of the squad would be expected to bring up boxes of ammo as the unit advanced.
The MG34 and MG42 both tore through ammo at an extraordinary rate and just keeping a single weapon fed kept most of the squad busy. Can’t imagine how they coped with having 2 MGs per squad, or even 3! But the vehicle would doubtless help a great deal, although ten men per Hanomag was said to be already very cramped.