I don't know...I sort of think Dr. Ehrman really isn't too fond of getting into particular belief-constructs like preterism and israel only stuff. There are videos of him back in the day, pre-MVP, where he emphasizes he's not a theologian, and doesn't really want to address every miniscule sectarian difference in the history of christianity, because it's actually not the best use of his time and expertise. You don't ask Bart Ehrman the same sheet of questions you have for internet religious jagoffs. When Derek kinda uses the time of these kinds of guests to revisit and reenforce his personal deconversion, it's kind of obvious; and I think the good doctor senses that. But it's ok...this is my 3rd watch, so what am I bitching about? Lol
Humans are proven in health studies to be best suited for the vegan lifestyle/plant-based. Some major diseases are exclusive to animal based diets. But you probably season animals, like I used to. We have mockups where you cannot tell the difference, and even taste better. The pandemic was started by eating bats. Several outbreaks happen from animal agriculture. Even with this one, scientists warn of it. The AMA (American Medical Association), the Physician's Committee, the largest study known as the China Study, and several other sources state that thousands of top doctors and evidence points to humans being plant-based. Even the latest science shows early ancestors were thriving on plant-based. Some worship the cow but there's a lot of recorded animal abuse there. They're the second largest producer of beef. About 99% of animals come from factory farms and even regular farms tend to be pretty brutal on average, on documentation. We've had several animal based companies go out of business. The largest milk company and oldest, in America, went out of business recently after filing bankruptcy. Vegan meat and vegan milk outsell their animal based counterparts when sold side by side. But only vegans in the millions. The Canada food pyramid now has meat, dairy, eggs, and other animal products removed. The AMA is encouraging hospitals to replace processed meats and butter and such with plant-based alternatives. 75+ land animals are raped into the world each year, tortured, and murdered while around 1 billion humans starve a day. The main reason for pollution, droughts, deforestation is animal agriculture. About 85% of antibiotics (synthetic ones that destroy good bacteria too) go to animal agriculture. Even then, plenty of cancer tumors and other things that get unchecked or barely treated before the meat rots as it sits around getting moved around until it's bought. Heart disease is the number one killer in America, mainly linked to animals, especially red meat. Type two diabetes is caused to humans by animal fat, officially. So on and so forth.
Well pedophilia is when you're into prepubescent (into those under 10). A lot of people confuse that with just minors. When life expectancy has gone up. When even in the dumb, debunked, unoriginal Bible it has the 14 year old girl (pubescent). In "Prophet" Muhammad's story, the girl was 6 (prepubescent) when they met and at 9 (prepubescent) married. That was legit pedophilia, with Muhammad. The brain doesn't even fully develop till 25, not 18. 18-19 are still teens (eighteen and nineteen...). By 13 years old, about half of UK girls already have sex. Age of consent varies around the world. It's inconsistent with reality to have it at 18+. It's just age discrimination. Neem oil not many know of but in major peer review studies, the oil is 💯% effective in killing sperm on contact and killing STDs on contact. Condoms or tubes tied don't even hit 💯%. The average classical philosopher was into minors. The KJV Bible is said to be the worst translated one. But, it's the most popular. King James was openly homosexual in his teenage years till death. As an adult, he was into teenage boys. The world is overall very stupid. Haha. Even recent talk on Jeffrey Epstein shows that he wasn't really doing pedophila, by definition. People confuse words and ideas plenty.
Humans are proven in health studies to be best suited for the vegan lifestyle/plant-based. Some major diseases are exclusive to animal based diets. But you probably season animals, like I used to. We have mockups where you cannot tell the difference, and even taste better. The pandemic was started by eating bats. Several outbreaks happen from animal agriculture. Even with this one, scientists warn of it. The AMA (American Medical Association), the Physician's Committee, the largest study known as the China Study, and several other sources state that thousands of top doctors and evidence points to humans being plant-based. Even the latest science shows early ancestors were thriving on plant-based. Some worship the cow but there's a lot of recorded animal abuse there. They're the second largest producer of beef. About 99% of animals come from factory farms and even regular farms tend to be pretty brutal on average, on documentation. We've had several animal based companies go out of business. The largest milk company and oldest, in America, went out of business recently after filing bankruptcy. Vegan meat and vegan milk outsell their animal based counterparts when sold side by side. But only vegans in the millions. The Canada food pyramid now has meat, dairy, eggs, and other animal products removed. The AMA is encouraging hospitals to replace processed meats and butter and such with plant-based alternatives. 75+ land animals are raped into the world each year, tortured, and murdered while around 1 billion humans starve a day. The main reason for pollution, droughts, deforestation is animal agriculture. About 85% of antibiotics (synthetic ones that destroy good bacteria too) go to animal agriculture. Even then, plenty of cancer tumors and other things that get unchecked or barely treated before the meat rots as it sits around getting moved around until it's bought. Heart disease is the number one killer in America, mainly linked to animals, especially red meat. Type two diabetes is caused to humans by animal fat, officially. So on and so forth.
April 27th, 2021 5:08 am Philippines time Of course, anyone that knows why I say overrated virus... Assuming it's not the flu, it's just not as bad as the Spanish Flu, heart disease, alcoholism, cancer, etc. Spanish Flu killed at least 50,000,000 people, globally. In America, it killed at least 675,000. Alcohol kills (mostly men) about 3 million yearly, around the globe. Heart disease kills about 17 million a year, globally. It's the leading cause of death in America each year, at almost 700k/year. Heart disease is almost always avoidable with a plant-based diet (being vegan). Obesity kills about 2.8 million annually, around ze globe, Mason. Around 300k Americans a year will die from obesity. This is excessive calories, and also animal-based diets aid this with unhealthy fats, acids, and other things that drain people of proper bodily functions and energy. Tobacco? Almost 6 million a year, globally. At the current rate, with no change, it's projected to be at least 8 million a year, globally. More than 480k deaths in America a year are caused by cigarettes. Cancer? Around 10 million people a year will die from cancer, globally. About 600k a year die from cancer a year in America. This is mostly linked to animal-based diets. *** Coronavirus? ********************************** Well, the test wasn't designed for this virus to begin with, according to the founder of the test. A lot of false positives and even false negatives. A lot of "Coronavirus deaths" are due to people having some symptoms but were actually dead from cancer, falling down the stairs, or something else. This is according to many medical personnel that feel uncomfortable writing down COVID-19 as cause of death when it was clearly something else. A lot of incentives for hospitals and for yet again, Big Pharma and governments who have lobbyists (which involves our fake drug war too). - The supposed amount of coronavirus deaths.... *Globally: 3,129,911 *America: 572k *Philippines: Has the worst amount of cases for Southeast Asia. It's been like this here since the very beginning of this thing. The Philippines is known for being the most unhealthy Southeastern Asian country, according to many news outlets. It's quite obvious from the street "food", to excessive white rice (filled with sugar and very processed), to loads of pork (Spanish influence and hypocritically because the Bible advises against pork), one of the very top nations for alcoholism and cigarettes, etc. Most people here are not plant-based. Most people here seem to not even know what veganism is. A lot of Catholics are known for stupidly thinking fish isn't meat even though fish are mammals. But whatever, that's religion in itself, fucking stupid and a scam. That's another topic.... Hehe.... 16,783 - The supposed amount of cases of coronavirus: *Globally: 148,276,646 *America: 32.1 million *Philippines: 998k ***** There you have it, folks. That's life. An ultimately tremendous amount more people died from the Spanish Flu than this virus. Lockdowns were provided then too. Second wave was far worse. There are currently areas with heavy lockdowns that have larger amounts of cases than places that don't have much protocol in lockdowns, based on populations. Los Angeles of California Exodus/Cali Poop Patrol (😂😂😂😅😅😹😹😹😹🤣🤣🤣😂😅🤣😂) has large amounts of cases while Sweden barely has any and Sweden is light on lockdown while Los Angeles is very harsh in lockdown. This is prior to these experimental, profitable, and already problem-causing (injuries and deaths have occurred off these shots minutes to days or weeks later) rushed vaccines. #coronavirus #GoVegan 💚 For the planet, for health (and to stop overrated viruses caused by non-vegans), for world hunger, and for the animals.
I could listen to Bart Ehrman all day. It was a great interview. Even when I was a Christian, I never believed in any of the prophesies or people’s interpretation of them. I always remember thinking three things: wars, famine, and chaos happen in every generation; Jesus always said you would never know the hour; and to God a day was a thousand years and a thousand a day. Now, the first part is even more so. I think, if Jesus did not come back during the Great Depression and World War II, he will never come back. As for the others, I agree with Bart, they were written to relax people when the end did not come.
The whole “god’s day is 1000 years” only works when it suits the Bible apologists purpose. When the Israelites wandered in the desert for 40 years, was a day 1,000 years? When it rained for 40 days and nights, was a day 1,000 years? No, because it doesn’t fit the purpose.
1st century Judea was prolific in apocalyptic prophets starting with John the Baptist, continuing with Jesus of Nazareth and culminating in Paul of Tarsus. The sense of urgency with regards to the end of the world is very clear not only in Paul (1 Corinthians 7:25-31) but also in James (James 5:7-8), Peter (1 Peter 4:7) and Revelation (Revelation 22:12). If that wasn't enough the Gospels double down in Matthew (Matthew 16:27-28) and Mark (Mark 9:1). Thus we see a consistent pattern in first century Christian literature placing the end of times within a generation or two of the audience being addressed. This conclusively demonstrates we are in presence of a failed prophecy.
We know from the dead sea scrolls and studies of the books of Enoch that Jewish apocalyptic prophecy was a well trodden career path well before John the B turned up and continued well past 70 CE. Be careful that you aren't limited to exclusively christian eschatology sources.
...I've I.D.'d 15 additional 'The End will come while some of my Apostles are Still ALIVE" Forecasts (seventeen [17] to date) spoken by Juh-HEEZ-Zuss in just the 'First Four" NT Gospels: - 4 Verses in Matt: 10:23, 16:27-28, 23:36 & 24:33-34; - 3 in Mark: 1:15, 9:1, & 13:30; - 4 in Luke: 9:27, 10:9, 21:22 & 21:32 &; - 6 in John: 12: 31-35, 14:2-4, 14:28,29, 16:7, 16:16-19 & 21:20-24.
Holy mackerel somebody is so right here..or there. Where is Hell in all of these irrational if random resurrections. Why is Satan so often portrayed as the "bad if necessary angelic presence?" What about that sonnuva gun Saul becoming sanctified as St Paul? Was that surreal or just a form of Bartesque vaudeville?
I highly suspected there was MORE to that recent BART EHRMAN interview since it was only 35ish minutes. Well, here IT is. There will never be enough BART ERHMAN content available; he's so knowledgeable & a great educator!
@@spykezspykez7001 Need to be a bit careful on the clothing and background comparison. As a long time fan of Ehrman's you notice he tends to wear the same clothing a lot in various public appearances. That ugly long tan jacket he had seems to be his goto sartorial statement for years. I suspect he's one of guys who has the same wardrobe for a decade, buying like a 10 same style and colour shirts and 1 jackets and wears them till his wife throws them away.
emptyhand777. so you have read the mission statement and what every one of the '1000'denominations actually believe. Can you name 50 off the top of your head? and quote their beliefs as presented on their mission statement
@@MRFITTA - The fact there are 1,000 denominations and not simply 1 is evidence enough to support my claim. It was an exaggeration to say each believe the others are damned, but it is not far fetched to say many believe that. All you need to do is listen to people preach about their beliefs. If you want to know what's wrong about the ELCA, go ask the Missouri Synod. Ask a Presbyterian what's wrong about Catholicism. Ask anybody what's wrong with the Mormons. Answer this, how many Christians have been killed by other Christians because of some twisted interpretation of their beliefs?
@@emptyhand777 Mormons are not Chritians for a start, neither are Jehovah Witnesses , Christian Scientists, and the like. Let me educate you as you dont know what a Christian is by the sound of it. Whether a person calls themselves a Catholic, Baptist, Lutherian, Presbyterian, Pentacostal, Non denomnational or any other; what makes a son of God - whether Jew or other( from my list) is the fact we are born again by the Spirit of God - its those who have experienced the rebirth who make up the body of Christ and there is only one. Every single person who has been born by the Spirit is a son of God - Christian, or Jew, and its a complete nonsense to think the title on a buliding wall has anything to do with, or regulates it Its rather amusing when people who don't believe the word of God says try to critique it by its content. Erhman is a coward( he would never dare touch Islam and the Quaran) hiding behind misinformation, the fact that most believers are reasonable and not easily offended; his hope is his listeners don't actually read the bible for themselves.
@@MRFITTA - your reply proves my point. A perfect word of God wouldn't have so many differing interpretations, your's included. But I'm sure your's is the correct one.
@@emptyhand777 that is the biblical version, not mine, but obvs you are not familiar with the bible. Why do you prob prefer to get misinformation from unbelieving skeptics rather than hear from the people who are walking by the truth the bible reveals - experentially? I dont only believe because of whats written, there are experiences that are part of the Christian life.
I would love to talk with both the host and Ehrman one day. I was a fundamentalist street preaching Christian and got booted out of that church for rejecting the Trinity for biblical unitarianism. That study towards finding historical context and the beliefs about Jesus the Jew himself led me to review ALL my fundamentalist beliefs. I ended up rejecting the common view of hell, death(afterlife in heaven or eternal punishment), looking into Torah keeping(cause Jesus kept it) and then eventually into preterism as I allowed the texts to mean what they said to the original historical audience. I was a believer in the view of the future Kingdom literally being on earth before that. Then I pretty much gave up most of that study 4 years ago and abandoned it all and Christianity for the most part since I couldn't reconcile a bodily resurrection and a past judgement on Israel. Its a mess to attempt to reconcile all this stuff in the Bible, especially if you actually put yourself in that 1st century context as an ignorant(not in a bad way) illiterate person having to just trust who you hear speak about the claims of a prophet or disciple of Jesus.
I mean the OT is just an amalgamation of Jewish desert tales with the intent that they could provide a backdrop to their suffering & attempts at nation building. Despite all Abrahamic religions being wrong, it shows you that a group that believes in a destiny for themselves will succeed at a greater rate than ones that don't.
I've been a bit too hard on Ehrman in the past. Just watched his vid on "What Kind of Text is the KJV?" Totally wonderful, humorous and informative. I did not know -- until Bart informed me -- that 80% of the KJV was taken from the Tyndale Bible of 1525. For his efforts, Tyndale was branded a heretic and strangled/burned by Church authorities in 1536. His last words (not from Bart) were, ""Lord! Open the King of England's eyes."
It's no accident that the Tyndale along with the Geneva had such an influence on Shakespeare. Most literary critics/scholars will give credit to the Tyndale bible for being the greatest prose in English, and for basically revolutionizing the language, to date.
Dr Ehrman helped bring me out of Christianity years ago but I've been so disappointed with his argumentum ad popularum that I haven't been able to watch his vids in a long time. Hopefully this will help. Thanks, Derek! I'm now a new Patreon and hope to support you even more in the future!
As an opened minded, post-Calvinist preterist, I approve of this video. Derek, our views are similar. (Full preterism, Calvinism) would love to chat sometime if you ever had a moment for a random UA-cam commenter 😂😊 Our doctrinal views are/were similar; I’ve now realized I know nothing, yet I recognize the providential hand of God on my life. Blessed/fun position to be in.
One of the things that surprised me to hear from Ehrman was his misunderstanding of "sun darkened, moon turn to blood" language. This language does appear in the OT regarding other judgement language on Israel. Basically--the prophets or whoever wrote them took a wide literary license of exaggeration in their language. It is not literal and it can be backed up.
One of the things about Preterism I've always wondered is, if it's true, why was there no "divinely-inspired" New Testament book to explain to Christians, "Now that all that prophecy stuff is in the past, here's what we do next"? The NT is _heavily_ saturated with prophecy and apocalypse, yet none of that stuff would have been relevant to Christians living centuries later when the NT was compiled. Yet "post-Apocalyptic" instruction--which would have been highly relevant, necessary even (if for no other reason than to keep Christians from mistakenly thinking that the Apocalypse was in the future rather than the past), does not make the cut.
Good point and as a Christian who accepts Preterism (though I am more of what they call a Partial Preterist) there are a few scriptures that speak of this, including the end of Revelation. It does seem as if we needed one more book and who knows, maybe its yet to be dug up somewhere, but as I mentioned, the scriptures are there, but the main thing at the time was preparing the church for persecution and letting everyone know the Jewish system, temple, all of it was getting ready to go down. What we need to understand is Jesus was doing away with the Old T system of law, He IS the Temple and we have more than enough instruction on what it means to be a Christian. If the Church accepted Preterism and looked at it from a kingdom now perspective, it would create another Reformation. There is also good evidence of a kingdom now, Jesus ruling and blessing the world through technology and and our modern age, which largely exploded after the Reformation. History proves that Christianity was a leading cause for much of our advancements and non believers get blessed inspite of this.
@@williambrewer I'm with you, but I don't take a position unless I am mostly sure, but one thing we all know who understand Preterism is that Jesus predicted the destruction of Jerusalem on THAT generation and sure enough, it happened.
Might be because all of the leaders of the main groups who pushed the narrative, like Paul and James, died. With no one left to instruct the group/s as a whole they may not have known what to do, so they went in a number of directions with it. Also if there was a group that thought, “well that’s it, it’s all come to pass”, they may not have felt the need to write anything or that group may have died (or maybe even vacuumed into the sky) before or during the takedown of the temple. Just speculation, of course.
@Blah Blahblah Jesus actually "fulfilled" the law. What that finished was the Old C, thus ushering in the New Covenant, which was prophesied in the Old Covenant. The "SEED" of Abraham is Christ (talked about in the Torah and the book of Galatians where Paul explains the meaning) Christ fulfilled hundreds of other prophecies, so no, that is incorrect.
Derek, I am a partial preterist. I interpret The Revelation to be fulfilled in the first century through the first resurrection (through Rev 20:6,) with the destruction of Satan and the final judgment still to come. Dan
I've been approached with every explanation. And I read I believe in Matthew, that all the dead of the saints rose and preached the gospel through all Jerusalem. And there would be a very prominent point in history, all would know this. IF it did happen.
@@Moodboard39 right so some people did know it and wrote it down as a miracle so you know about it... other people just don't believe in miracles.. Hardly anyone just accepts stuff like that.. proof only makes a difference to some.
@@EndoftheAge717 Oh contrary. I believe in miracles. Ive seen them. But most ppl connect miracles with Jesus, I dont. What gets me is. ...if you all are so into Christianity, and. ...you all have a right to be.. but why are you all commenting on a Myth Vision video? Your not going to convert me. NEVER HAPPENING.
Hi Derek. Great show. You should try and get Dr Christine Hayes on to your show to discuss how Yahweh was originally a lesser god in the Canaanite pantheon and how he became the top god as the Israelites transitioned from polytheism to monotheism.
@@michaelhenry1763 Thank you. Yes it was indeed El. *Although the biblical narratives depict Yahweh as the sole creator god, lord of the universe, and god of the Israelites especially, initially he seems to have been Canaanite in origin and subordinate to the supreme god El.* Canaanite inscriptions mention a lesser god Yahweh and even the biblical Book of Deuteronomy stipulates that *“the Most High, El,* gave to the nations their inheritance” and that “Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob and his allotted heritage” (32:8-9). A passage like this reflects the early beliefs of the Canaanites and Israelites in polytheism or, more accurately, henotheism (the belief in many gods with a focus on a single supreme deity). *The claim that Israel always only acknowledged one god is a later belief cast back on the early days of Israel's development in Canaan.* *It is generally accepted in the modern day, however, that Yahweh originated in southern Canaan as a lesser god in the Canaanite pantheon* and the Shasu, as nomads, most likely acquired their worship of him during their time in the Levant. *Yahweh in the Canaanite Pantheon* The biblical narrative, however, is not as straightforward as it may seem as it also includes reference to the Canaanite god El whose name is directly referenced in `Israel' (He Who Struggles with God or He Who Perseveres with God). *El was the chief deity of the Canaanite pantheon and the god who, according to the Bible, gave Yahweh authority over the Israelites:* When the *Most High [El]* gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of men, he fixed the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the Sons of God. For Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage. (Deuteronomy 32:8-9, Masoretic Text). The Canaanites, like all ancient civilizations, worshipped many gods but chief among them was the sky-god El. *In this passage from Deuteronomy, El gives each of the gods authority over a segment of the people of earth and Yahweh is assigned to the Israelites who, in time, will make him their supreme and only deity; but it is clear he existed beforehand as a lesser Canaanite god.* *Yahweh as God of Metallurgy* According to scholar Nissim Amzallag, however, Yahweh was a god of metallurgy. Amzallag writes: An essential link between Yahweh and copper is suggested in the Book of Zechariah where the dwelling of the God of Israel is symbolized by two mountains of copper (Zech. 6:1-6). In his prophecies, Ezekiel describes a divine being as `a man was there, whose appearance shone like copper' (Ezek. 40:3), and in another part of this book, Yahweh is even explicitly mentioned as being a smelter (Ezek. 22:20). In Isaiah 54:16, Yahweh is explicitly mentioned as the creator of both the copperworker and his work…Such an involvement of Yahweh is never mentioned elsewhere for other crafts or human activities. (394) Amzallag further notes the similarities between Yahweh and other gods of metallurgy: The god of metallurgy generally appears as an outstanding deity. He is generally involved in the creation of the world and/or the creation of humans. The overwhelming importance of the god of metallurgy reflects the central role played by the copper smelters in the emergence of civilizations throughout the ancient world. (397) Amzallag compares the attributes of the Egyptian Ptah and the Mesopotamian Ea/Enki along with Napir of Elam, all gods of metallurgy (among their other attributes) with Yahweh and finds striking similarities. He further claims that the name of the god of the Edomites, Qos, is an epithet for Yahweh and notes how the Edomites, a people closely associated with metallurgy, were the primary workers and administrators of the copper mines at Timna and, further, that Edom is never mentioned in the Bible as challenging Israel in the name of a foreign god; thus suggesting that the two peoples worshipped the same deity (390-392). *From God of Metallurgy to Supreme Deity* Yahweh, according to Amzallag, was transformed from one god among many to the supreme deity by the Israelites in the Iron Age (c.1200-930 BCE) when iron replaced bronze and the copper smelters, whose craft was seen as a kind of transformative magic, lost their unique status. *In this new age, the Israelites in Canaan sought to distance themselves from their neighbors in order to consolidate political and military strength and so elevated Yahweh above El as the supreme being and claimed him as their own.* His association with the forge, and with imagery of fire, smoke, and smiting, worked as well in describing a god of storms and war and so Yahweh's character changed from a deity of transformation to one of conquest. *As the Israelites developed their community in Canaan, they sought to distance themselves from their neighbors and, as noted, elevated Yahweh above the traditional Canaanite supreme deity El.* They did not, however, embrace monotheism at this time. The Israelites remained a henotheistic people through the time of the Judges, which predates the rise of the monarchy, and throughout the time of the Kingdom of Israel (c.1080-c. 722). www.worldhistory.org/Yahweh/
@@michaelhenry1763 *Yahweh was introduced to Israel in a five-stage process:* *Traditional Polytheism:* The earliest Israelites worshipped creator god El, his wife Asherah, and his sons e.g., Baal. *Incorporation:* Yahweh was incorporated as a 2nd tier god in El’s pantheon. *Elevation:* Yahweh and El are identified as the same deity. *Monolatrism:* A new Yahweh-only movement emerges, and the gods of the second tier are denied. *Monotheism:* Gods of other nations are denied, Yahweh’s power is deemed universal in scope. *At some point in its history, El was identified with Yahweh as the same god.* This equation is expressed clearly in Exodus 6:2-3. “And God said to Moses, “I am Yahweh. I appeared to the patriarchs as El, but by my name Yahweh I did not make myself known to them.” Other Biblical material asserts this equation. Joshua 22:22 states “the god of gods is Yahweh”. Judges 9:46 refers to “El of the covenant”. *The Yahweh-alone movement vigorously condemn prominent Canaanite gods… except El. There are zero condemnations of El in the Hebrew Bible. This makes sense if Yahweh was ultimately identified with this Canaanite creator-god.* What’s more, archaeological evidence suggests that the Yahweh religious centers in Shiloh and Bethel were originally a place of El worship. *El and Yahweh are attributed same characteristics.* El is depicted as a wise old man with a beard eg “You are great, O El, and your hoary beard instructs you”. Yahweh is described in the same terms (Daniel 7:9, Job 36:26, Habakkuk 3:6). Like “Kind El, the Compassionate”, Yahweh is a “merciful and gracious god”. The description of Yahweh’s dwelling place as a tent (Psalms 15:1, 27:6, 91:10) recalls the tent of El in the Canaanite narrative of Elkunirsa. Finally, both Yahweh and El are said to dwell amidst cosmic waters (Isaiah 33:20-22, Ezekiel 47:1-12, Zechariah 14:8). *El’s wife was named Asherah. When Yahweh was identified with El, did he also inherit his wife?* In the blessings of Joseph, Genesis 49:25 contains language specific to the Asherah cult “blessings from Breast-and-Womb”. *The Bible further admits that the Israelites frequently worshipped a “Queen of Heaven”* (Jeremiah 7:18, 44:17-25). Indeed, 2 Kings 21:7 tells us that worship of Asherah happened within the Temple itself. *Finally, archaeology has uncovered several icons with the inscription “Yahweh and his Asherah”. This evidence cumulatively suggests that, in early forms of Israelite religion Yahweh was believed to have a wife.* *The push towards monolatrism led to the eviction of the Asherah cult, whose memory may be preserved in Zechariah 5:5-11.* But this eviction created a deficit of femininity to Israelite religious expression. *To compensate, the Biblical writers began attributing feminine attributes to Yahweh (Isaiah 49:15, 46:3, 44:2,24, 42:14).* *To induce the Israelites to stop worshipping Baal, the imagery of Baal was adopted by the Yahweh cult.* The Baal Cycle, ancient mythology on the scale of the Epic of Gilgameth, has four literary themes for the storm god. *Here are those themes, along with the Biblical text which mirrors them.* The march of the divine warrior (Psalm 104:3 “He makes the clouds his chariot, and travels along on the wings of the wind”) The convulsions of nature as the divine warrior manifests his power (Judges 5:5, Hab 3:10) The return of the divine warrior to his holy mountain to assume divine kingship (Isaiah 31:4) The utterance of the divine warrior’s voice from his palace provides rains that fertilize the earth (Jeremiah 10:13) *Yahweh is also depicted as defeating Baal’s classic enemies:* Baal/Yahweh defeats a seven headed dragon, Leviathan, and River (CAT 5.1, Psalm 74:13-15). Baal/Yahweh defeats Sea (KTU 1.14, Psalm 89:10). Baal/Yahweh defeats Death/Mot (KTU 1.4 VIII-1.6, Isaiah 25:8). Polytheistic Roots of Israelite Religion | Fewer Lacunae kevinbinz.com/2018/07/21/polytheistic-roots-of-israelite-religion/
@@LM-jz9vh Thank you very much for all the information you presented. I remember learning about El in my ancient history class. It blew me away and has stuck with me ever sense. At one point I learned that the origin of Yahweh was little bit murkier, but I am happy to see he is clearly Canaanite. I love to read about how the different sects within Judaism incorporated either Yahweh or El into the Torah. For example, it was El who created the world in Genesis 1, but Yahweh created the world in Genesis 2. I love to see these competing camps put their stamp on the different creation myths and other stories within the Torah.
@@michaelhenry1763 You are very welcome. It is very interesting. And you are right with the two contradictory Genesis accounts that most people don't pick up on. Now you know why it states "Let *us* make man in *our* image." It was El speaking to the Canaanite pantheon. It has nothing to do with the Trinity and Jesus as most Christians think. In the other contradictory Genesis account Yahweh has replaced El and his pantheon.
I love this channel I sometimes find the videos too long tho, although I totally accept they need to be long. I guess i'm used to watching 6 to 10 min videos.
It is getting very frustrating with all the ads as one tries to concentrate. I loose the will to go on watching your videos from the endless ad inserts.😢
Despite what Catholic, Orthodox or Reformed scholars have been saying for many centuries, Revelation 1:1 does not say that John would be shown things that must shortly come to pass. The Greek says he would be shown things that 'must come to pass in swiftness' or 'with swiftness'. In other words, John was shown some things that must happen rapidly once they start, and that mirrors end time prophecies elsewhere in the Bible, and it mirrors what Jesus said about his Father being the only one who knows when the end times will come. And it's the same 'with swiftness' wording at the end of the book in Rev 22:6. How could so many scholars get this wrong? Part of translation is interpretation, and those people were steeped in Augustine’s erroneous Amillennial eschatology, so they could not understand many end time prophesies like this.
Good for you meanwhile my family is intentionally ignorant they barely use any form of internet i think im the only one that is actually learning stuff
How can you say that!!! Try listening to this properly- it really is nonsensical. E.g. around 16min. To be fair, at least Ehrman seems as confused as I was.
His affect is honestly really annoying. I used to be spellbound by his lectures but now I see it's mostly because of his rhetoric - if you break down the logic of his statements they don't even make sense a lot of the time and he will really often obscure information or misrepresent the process of a historian.
@@agritrend4812 He says that we have more writings about Jesus than any other figure of history, but these writings are religious texts where often the sayings or events are copies of the OT or they happen for specific theological reasoning or they're the early church explaining things through the mouth of their savior. This is VERY different from, say, the memoirs of Julius Caesar and what we can get from them in terms of historical reliability. He doesn't even think the gospels are historically reliable, but he uses the fact that we have so many copies of them as if that proves historicity.
A lot of doubting Thomases in the comment section. Having faith in Jesus Christ cost you nothing. Following his rules profits you AND the world. Please come back to Jesus!!!! Repent and have faith in our Lord and savior Jesus Christ 🙏q
new subscriber, loving the content. Always appreciate the work of Dr Ehrman. my only complaint; the clickbaity title. I expected this interview to focus on the very clear predictions made three times by Jesus that his return was imminent but most of it seemed to focus on the definition of what constituted Israel according to some other scholar.
The answer is in Daniel where Jesus says close up the book until the end. We are there, and we know it and Jesus said we would know it. This conversation might be confusing the issue.
I think it’s interesting the narrative of Jonah is overlooked in both this and the Staples interview. Jonah commissioned to go to the Nineveh (gentiles) to announce judgment, but forgiveness if they repent. I find it interesting that Jonah doesn’t demand circumcision or impose Torah on them… just repent and God will relent in his judgment. Nineveh doesn’t become Israel… but to me casts a vision for Peter/Paul’s future ministry… announcing judgment and promising forgiveness in Christ. Just a thought.
This is quite interesting, it’s like people could keep worshipping whatever they want, so long as they change their ways. Joining another religion or giving their current one up would have been unnecessary (unless you were Jewish). I’m not sure those fool hardy apostles picked that up from Jesus as they were pretty dense in the gospels. I get the feeling this pushes it more into the line of Roman Propaganda theory.
Thank God that we have Bart Ehrman to correct 20 centuries of mistaken biblical scholarship. Imagine that. The Gospel Writers, Church Fathers, Protestant Reformers, and thousands upon thousands of biblical scholars, not to mention God the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ himself being corrected by this one little man. He is truly a treasure. We would be lost without him. "Do not trust ... in mortal man, in whom there is no salvation." Psalms 146:3
... except that Ehrman's views are not just his - since the beginning of it all various church fathers plus a lot of pagan thinkers said pretty much the same thing. Remember, the various Christian interpretations, that pretty much changed every century, were only enforced by force and/or blind faith to essentially illiterate Christians that NEVER read the various NT variants, let alone understood it.
But Acts is a version of the times of the apostles written way, way later - wouldn't it make more sense that it's taking a view of the times it was written and putting it into the past?
@@LordJagd Alot is possible. Even if " Acts" is a late production it can preserve an earlier didache( teaching). Some christians were burned alive by Nero. An imminent eschatology might have been comforting to the martyrs
@@Moodboard39 Because it's not about the end of the world or the end of time, It was about the end of the Old Covenant World. when the temple was destroyed the Old covenant temple system ended. This was the end of their world.
Thanks for another great interview Derek: I hope your building Dr. Ehrman up for a long overdue chat with Joseph Atwill and/or James Valliant: that would be the Holy Grail of MythVision episodes in my opinion.
If salvation isn't what christians think it is, but if it's actually something that happens in the end, when christians will be saved from the armies and enter the kingdom, then why does the New Testament talk about being saved from sin? It's all about believing the death and resurrection of Jesus and being saved from sin and death. What am I missing here?
“But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.” Jude 1:17-19 NIV So awesome to see the truths of the Bible coming true today. You guys are mentioned a LOT in the Scriptures. “The wise shall inherit glory, But shame shall be the legacy of fools.” Proverbs 3:35 NKJV
1:41 - Scatology? I have a cousin who wanted to study scatology- but she became a Greek bank CFO instead: helped to bring about the demise of the country’s economy.
Maybe you have already interviewed this guy, but if you really want an answer to that question, you need to interview Joseph Atwill, he's the only one who has brought out the Josephus and Biblical connections of the New Testament
You would love to read my stuff if you like Joseph's stuff. I'm more truthful than them all though, and probably read Josephus more than anybody in this group.
People are willing to acknowledge that full preterism is wrong in claiming resurrection to place in 70AD (and Ehrman rightly asks "is that what the Jews thought"??). Why not accept that same commonsense in acknowledging that when Paul said "resurrection", he could only possibly have meant an empty tomb
Good question, but "faith alone" believers can have differences and often many believe in eternal security in some sense. See Steven Anderson and let's say James White. Anderson could claim that Christians should do what parts of the bible says, but that whatever you do of sins, does not matter, you just get consequences here in this life. White or someone like him, could say, if you are a true elect, and received the Spirit, you will live a different life, i.e do good deeds and not willfully commit sins over time. But I would say many in that camp still uphold that they are to be judged by their Christian walk/life. Their deeds they did while a Christian etc. But that it may not have an effect on Salvation itself, but on "rewards in heaven". For instance, the The Parable of the Talents Matt 25:14> and 1 Cor 3:11-15. I think the latter is misunderstood context by alot of people.
My interpretation when I was a Christian was a day that would be the end of life on earth where we would all have to stand be for god and hear if we were accepted into heaven . Jesus would sit at the right hand of god and either say - I do not know this one’ or ‘I know this one’ and it would determine your place in hell or heaven. It’s a terribly in human process - I am glad I don’t believe in they anymore
There are two judgements: 1) the judgement seat of Christ where Christians will be rewarded, and 2) the white throne judgement at the end of Revelation where those who have rejected Christ will be sentenced.
70 AD, was the year that the Roman General Titus marched into Jerusalem, and destroyed the temple that Jesus spoke of when He was teaching His disciples that the temple as they knew it, was going to be no more. That the temple now would be in the body of the believer, thus, it was Paul who said know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. When Jesus was teaching His disciples, He was once again as He always did, pointing to the fulfillment of prophecy. He said that not one stone would be left upon another. And when Titus marched into Jerusalem and sacked it, the Roman soldiers scraped the gold from the dome of the temple that had melted due to its burning, the gold was dripping down the temple walls, and the Romans were pushing the stones, one off of another to recover the melted gold. During the tribulation, the Anti-Christ will allow the temple to be built again, and deceiving the Jews then, he will go into the temple and sit upon the throne of God and declare himself to be God because he will have established the building of the new temple. When this takes place, this will be the fulfillment of the prophecy when Jesus said for the Jews to flee unto the mountains because they will then come to the realization that Jesus was the Messiah, who was crucified. The Anti-Christ will then be so enraged, that he will go after the Jews, and begin heavy persecution against them. In that time, the Great Tribulation will be in the 4th year of 7 years, and at this time the period that Jesus spoke of would multiply exponentially, a time that the world has not seen, nor will see again. Again I say, if the blind lead the blind, they will both fall into a ditch...
Since you can't know what the disciples thought back then, since the texts don't come from before that, but around the time the temple was destroyed, all you said is based on mere speculation
I am a former Christian that at one point in my final stages was a partial or maybe full preterist. My forced position was similar to Don Preston's testing with the huge distinction that I bought into the idea that Jesus LITERALLY returned in the 1st century, raised the dead SAINTS (1st resurrection), judged the land of Jerusalem, and took the saints (his bride) away with him to reign in Heaven. Since that point life on Earth has been existing in a post church age moving through time until the "last day" when the final resurrection of the living and dead would occur and a new land and sky would replace the destroyed heavens and earth that were burnt up and the New Jerusalem would descend on the new land to rule over the world. The parties to the 2nd resurrection would be judged and either granted agelasting life or punished with eternal destruction based on their submission to the rule of the kingdom of God (New Jerusalem). That was what I felt forced to hold onto in order to believe in the Bible and its theology. That house of cards subsequently came crashing down.
Jesus nailed the "this generation", just because we can't figure out everything, it seems clear its a Spiritual kingdom. So you trade questions on how it all works, for atheism? So now your faith is that life is an accident, that we are just matter, that our consciousness is a happy accident? You did well to see Preterism was true, but I don't get trading one dilemma for a much bigger one, naturalism.
@@flamingswordapologetics I have found no evidence for the plausibility of supernaturalism. That leaves only naturalism and many unanswered questions that we have to continue to try to answer.
@@dkgoolsby You talking to me with reason, knowledge, a conscience, life itself is "supernatural". I think if you truly think about it, we all know we can't be accidents coming from "nothing". That would certainly be a lot more supernatural than believing in God, because there is nothing in space and time that can just make itself. I realize that doesn't get you to Christianity is true, but it sure lays a foundation. I think it takes much more faith to believe we all just popped into existence. I would encourage you to watch some videos with Michael Behe, Stephen Myer, James Tour, John Lennox etc.. I'd rather have unanswered questions that at least makes sense of who we are, our purpose, the why of how we came to be, than to have unreasonable assumptions that somehow all of this popped out of nothing. Keep searching, remain open. I'm doing the same.
@@flamingswordapologetics the idea of coming from nothing by way of any means (including a deistic creation) is not confidence inducing. My understanding is that the universe we share existence in came about because SOMETHING(S) we can't yet define, identify, or attribute characteristics to acted or was acted upon. Saying anything more is unsubstantiated and dishonest at worst.
The issues that many seem to have is solidly rooted in Protestantism, and sola scriptura. The idea that the New and Old Testament are the foundation of the Christian faith. This is not how anyone saw the Christian faith until the Reformation. The Church - the community - was the foundation. The scriptures were used to supplement this faith in the context of the Christian liturgy. But that is another topic I suppose.
Paul did not say that the gospel had been preached to the whole world, but that it had gone out into the whole world! Jesus said if the blind lead the blind then they both will fall into a ditch!
Why? Isaiah 53 was written around 700 BC. Jesus came and went in exactly this way. CNN can't accurately tell you what's happening even as it sits in front of our faces.
11:00 The emphasis is not on the idea that it is going to be one single day, but that there is coming a day for judgment for everyone. That day began on 70 AD and continues on throughout history with each man receiving his judgment at his death.
I don't want to take the bible or religion seriously anymore... I've been off and on with that wish for decades. It is hard to reject religion when you are married to a Christian fundamentalist.
In that passage in Acts where Paul is portrayed as saying (I paraphrase): "he has set a time in which he would judge the world by means of his Son he has appointed".......here comes the kicker... " _he has proven that by raising Jesus from the dead_ ". That statement is more pivotal to understanding that 1st century christian understanding of the second coming than many people realize - their certainty in the belief in the historicity of Christ's resurrection made any potential delay of the 2nd coming to be shrugged off as unimportant. This should help sceptics guard against the historically inept mistake of painting Jesus & early christianity with the same brush as the Harold Campings, Millerites or any other group whose theology deeply depended on Jesus returning soon on some specific date. When in the 2nd & 3rd century it was clear the Parousia hadn't yet occurred, it wouldn't have bothered/traumatized them the way skeptics fantasize it would have; I would propose it wouldn't have bothered them AT ALL prescisely because their belief in the historicity Easter resurrection made them unshakably confident in the inevitability of the 2nd coming.
Quoting Acts quoting Paul as some sort of evidence for what early christians thought is where the whole argument leaves the rails right at the beginning. Acts is, by most modern scholarship is dated 80-90CE and some serious works puts it as late a 110CE. The work completely leaves out even hinting at the conflicts in the early church we know from the genuine letters of Paul existed, and Paul is presented in ways Paul writing about himself doesn't agree with. This is especially notable in Paul's letters statements on eschatology versus what the author of Acts thinks on the subject. Its pretty obvious the author of Acts isn't attempting an actual accurate historical documentation in the work, but an idealised harmonist version where there were no major theological or sectarian rifts between any of the major players in the post Jesus death period till the end of the 1st century. Understanding this means of course the author of Acts can reconcile early christian beliefs on eschatology with late 1st century concepts on the same subject. That's the part of the point of this theological work.
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q Despite what you'll hear some scholars interviewed on mythvision say, (you wouldn't suspect that) the actual reality is that MAJORITY of new testament scholars who _actually specialize_ in the book of Acts actually believe it was written by a travelling companion of Paul (I'm sure you're surprised by this piece of information about the academic community!!), so don't be too confident in doubting that Acts gives complimentary info that can be harmonized with data from authentic letters & other sources (as majority of Acts scholarship thinks). In any case, don't misunderstand me - MY QUOTING ANY PASSAGE IN ACTS DOESN'T IN ANY WAY INDICATE THAT MY ASSERTION IN ANYWAY DEPENDS ON THE RELIABILITY OF Acts, NO!; Bart Ehrman's mention of that verse merely reminded me to make that point, which can still be proven even on the assumption that every single word in Acts is a lie. MY POINT IS THAT: every single 1st century christian that expected a second coming of Christ did so PRECISELY because they believed Christ was risen & taken to heaven after crucifixion (obviously!). This firm belief in Christ's resurrection & enthronement in heaven (which every single christian ever, including the undisputed Pauline letters clearly shared) would certainly have ensured that no delay in his 2nd coming would have been a cause for any concern, theological doubt, trauma or alleged cognitive dissonance of any kind in the minds of christians of the first 5 centuries (contrary to what is usually asserted). Their belief in a soom immediate occurence of the 2nd coming was merely what I would call a PROVISIONAL EXPECTATION, which if not fulfilled in their lifetime would have been casually shrugged off as an intentional delay by the Enthroned Christ in heaven. It is very METHODOLOGICALLY inept & MISGUIDED to COMPARE them to these very MODERN CHARACTERS like Harold Camping, Millerites, fundamentalists, etc who would have felt a sense of failure/cognitive dissonance if christ didn't come at a specified date or in their lifetime. In summary, a historian should not make the mistake of projecting the mindset & psychology of Harold Camping or modern fundamentalists onto actual 1st century christians.
@@tsemayekekema2918 Quite the need to CAPITALISE certain words I'm not sure. As it makes your piece look very odd - surely not your intent, if you want appear like a serious correspondent suggest drop this adolescent presentation. As to the idea the author of Luke and Acts was the traditional theological version being part of serious modern academic scholarship. Name 5 serious scholars, non evangelical, who endorse you very minority view. I'll take a lack of response as concession. Your claim as what every first century 1st christians believed is also completely unsupported. Anything asserted without evidence is dismissed without evidence. This is a serious debate, not your local sunday school.
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q dismissing the views of a scholar recognized in the wider academic community (including would-be liberals) because you don't like whatever his personal religious convictions incidentally happen to be doesn't invalidate his academic views (that's just unneccesary prejudice which I wouldn't dignify). What I said about majority of Acts specialists thinking it's authorship was by a travelling companion of Paul was verbatim from a statement made by a recognized Acts scholar Craig Keener. I could list 10-15 scholars if I really tried to remember names but I'm not going to dignify your dismissal of an opinion on the "we" passages in the book of Acts which is dominant in the academic community on the basis your own made up criteria regarding the personal religious beliefs of the academics in question; at best the academic community is evenly divided on authorship. As to my (uncontroversial) assertion that every strand of 1st century christianity known to us (asides maybe protognostics, Marcionite, Valentinians & the likes) expected a 2nd coming, just go read the texts! Paul's undisputed letters expected a return of an enthroned christ, so did the gospel of John, the canonical Apocalypse, the pseudonymous author of 2 Peter, Jude, the disputed Pauline epistles, the author of Hebrews; I think I've covered almost the entire new testament right there; of course there are a whole lot of non-canonical works that clearly expect a 2nd coming (I'm in agreement with the minority of scholars who think Mark 13, Matthew 24 & Luke 21 weren't intending to portray Jesus as specifically talking about his own 2nd coming after temple destruction, which is why I didn't mention the synoptics) So please tell me, what exactly was controversial about my assertion that an expected 2nd coming was a virtually universal tradition in 1st Christianity?? Isn't that prescisely what Drs Ehrman, Mason, Goodacre and others have said?? As regards my use of capital letters, I'm sorry if it comes across as rude. I only meant to emphasize certain points, maybe I'll stick to italics alone henceforth
@@tsemayekekema2918 Didn't think you could help yourself and remember I said 5, you give me 1 - now that's just lazy. You can't be a serious historian on a subject when you sign up to this statement on the subject you study with this "devoted to the inerrancy and inspiration of the Scriptures and the gospel of Jesus Christ" . That's the statement of the Evangelical Theological Society which Keener is currently the president of. Someone who sets out to proves an existing view of the bible isn't history, its theology. Also it massive logic fault to say "everyone but these big exceptions, thought so and so." As you obviously aren't interested in a historical discussion and I'm not interested in hearing a theological based one, have a nice day.
I commend the depth of discussion on this channel. I am a repudiated ex-Christian. These are interesting topics from an academic standpoint, but you may as well be discussing "Alice in Wonderland," as far as Truth is concerned. The Jewish tribes had their own cult god, not a universal god. If there is a higher being, it is higher than this cult god, and definitely purer. Jesus gave some very stupid advice, such as love your enemies. How stupid is that? The Jews don't, and he was from Judaism. It is easy for the gospel writers to put prophecies in his mouth, since the gospels were written after the events happened, like 70 A.D., as well as miracles and all the other superstitions about him. Total intellectual dishonesty. The laws of Nature are not turned on and off.
Right, there's some understanding that this tribal god was made into a sort of transcendent god around the Hellenistic era due to influence from the new Eastern Mediterranean idea of an "Absolute", which Yahweh is sorta sloppily fit into the mold of, even though the Torah narratives (esp. Exodus) are pretty clearly about a god that walks around and eats with the Israelites. People have talked about god in abstract terms since the Akkadians, but it seems like we can see the changes in Judaism in the conflict of the old view and newly developing view.
Before Christ, there were many God's on earth, each assigned to different geographic areas. I've heard this described as "God's family", which He allowed in to play the game. These were brought in after the tower of Babel situation. So, to give you a brief biblical timeline, at first, God came down with his angels. Angels literally screw up, creating Nephilim and big mess. Angels get banished, God "yeets" people all over the earth, and brings in other Gods to help manage the people on earth. God Himself (creator, God of Light), chooses a nomadic people's for His to rule over. Is constantly unhappy with the way they carry on, and they keep going to worship other Gods that aren't theirs. God brings Himself down to Earth as His own Son, takes all other Gods away from earthly influence, and tells people from now on there will be only one God on Earth, for whom to worship. Other Gods cease being worshipped over the next thousand or so years, as they no longer have influence on Earth. That's where we are up to, with the note that Satan and his demonic entities are still trying to prevent God's word from reaching the extent of the earth. So, yes, there were other Gods, for a very long time. Not now.
Love the comment. As far as the Alice in Wonderland part...some of Derek's questions about prederism were equivalent to asking if Lewis Carroll wanted the queen to really cut off heads. Erhman's scowl after being asked about whether end time prophecies had yet to come true or already happened seemed to say "You realize this is a fable, right ?"
@@adifferentangle7064 This is like arguing whether the future is Star Trek or Star Wars. When there are so many earthly problems, talking about fairy tales seems rather trivial.
Olivet Timing Revealed by Luke’s Gospel: Compare Luke's Gospel to that of Matthew if you want to understand the timing. The disciples asked two different questions. When will the temple be destroyed? What will be the sign of your Second Coming? Jesus Foretells Destruction of the Temple (These subtitles are found in e-Sword.) Luk 21:5 Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said, Luk 21:6 "These things which you see-the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down." (Mat 24:2 And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down." ) Luk 21:7 So they asked Him, saying, "Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?" (Mat 24:3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?") ( Mar 13:3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked Him privately, Mar 13:4 "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?") Luk 21:8 And He said: "Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He,' and, 'The time has drawn near.' Therefore do not go after them. (Mat 24:5 For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. ) Luk 21:9 But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified; for these things must come to pass first, but the end will not come immediately." (Mat 24:6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.) Jesus Foretells Wars and Persecution Luk 21:10 Then He said to them, "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. (Mat 24:7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. ) Luk 21:11 And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven. (Mat 24:7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. ) Luk 21:12 But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name's sake. (Mat 24:9 "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.) (Read Acts 22:19-20, where Paul reveals that he fulfilled this text.) Luk 21:13 But it will turn out for you as an occasion for testimony. Luk 21:14 Therefore settle it in your hearts not to meditate beforehand on what you will answer; Luk 21:15 for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist. Luk 21:16 You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death. Luk 21:17 And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. (Mat 24:10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. ) Luk 21:18 But not a hair of your head shall be lost. Luk 21:19 By your patience possess your souls. (Mat 24:13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.) Jesus Foretells Destruction of Jerusalem Luk 21:20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. (Mat 24:15 "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), (Look at the reference to Hanukkah in John 10:22, if you want to know what the Jews of Jesus time understood about Antiochus Ephiphanes attacking the city during 167 BC, when his forces killed thousands of Jews, and stopped the sacrifices. Those two things also happened during 70AD.) Luk 21:21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. (Mat 24:16 "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.) Luk 21:22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. Luk 21:23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. (See also Luke 23:28-31.) (Mat 24:19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! ) Luk 21:24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. (Almost all Bible scholars agree that the first part of the verse above is about 70 AD. At the end of the verse we find a period of time known as “the times of the Gentiles”. In the verses that follow we find the future Second Coming of Christ. Paul also referred to this time period in Romans 11:25, and Acts 28:28.) The Coming of the Son of Man Luk 21:25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; (Mat 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.) Luk 21:26 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Luk 21:27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. (Mat 24:30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.) Luk 21:28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near." (Mat 24:33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near-at the doors!)
From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7 "6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time]. 7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards therein. He also fortified the city Bethsura, that it might serve as a citadel against any distresses that might come from our enemies. " Josephus confirms above the understanding of the Jews of his time, who knew that Daniel had predicted the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes. Josephus confirms it as a historical fact. John 10:22 is a reference to the celebration of Hanukkah each year by the Jews of Jesus time. The Book of Matthew was addressed mainly to a Jewish audience. Jesus was telling the Jews of His time that something similar to 167 BC would happen during 70 AD. Not only did Antiochus desecrate the temple, but he also attacked the city killing thousands of Jews and stopped the temple sacrifices. The temple sacrifices would also stop in 70 AD, due to the destruction of the temple. Based on John 10:22, the Jews were well aware of this historical fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy. Luke’s Gospel was written to more of a Gentile audience, so he spelled it out for them. Matthew 24:15-16 and Luke 21:20-21 are clearly parallel accounts because of the common word elements in both passages. We also have the same reference to flee in the second verse in each Gospel.
@@mcgragor1 And yet the elect weren’t gathered from the four corners of heaven. That was also a part of the prediction, as was the promise to the disciples that they would rule over the twelve tribes on twelve thrones.
@@ManoverSuperman Some reason my reply is not coming up so if you see another reply or two, that's why. Learn about Preterism and apocalyptic language first. ua-cam.com/video/ccxWCeGLdZQ/v-deo.html
Here is another question: if Paul believes that planting these Churches is his mission (which he did) why would "planting" a Church make sense in a world that would soon end? The work of Paul seems to suggest that he believed that what he was doing would last beyond his own death. In fact, he says just that. How is this consistent with the idea of a failed Apocalyptic preacher? This all stems from the misplaced work of Albert Schweitzer.
Because paul knew that he was working for Rome to bring the Roman way of thinking into a new worldview. Rome has always been a master of infiltration and falsification. Proof: all of the secret societies that started under Rome.
Paul in the bible is only endorsed by his own scriptures. Which would make it invalid. Jesus even warns for this: If I would testify of myself my testimony would be invalid. Judaic culture has been done away with in christianity. even if jesus would be the messiah which i believe he was, Rome tried to kill Jesus at birth and at the cross, which shouldnt have happened to fulfill the judaic messianic expectation.
In Ephesians 5 and 1 Peter 4, both Paul and Peter said that God's wrath/judgment was coming upon all pagans who lived in sin. Paul preached repentance to all people in Acts 17 - to pagans whose idol-worship God had ignored in the past but was then commanding people to repent because Christ rose from the dead. Paul and Peter expected the day of judgment that would end the world and judge all humanity. That is why Peter said that God was patient not wanting anyone to perish until the heaven and earth was destroyed. There was no more "perishing" in the new heaven and earth.
@You Say No, I'm not worshipping any idols by putting an image on my youtube profile. If I go and bow down before a picture or idol...then yeah sure its idol worshipping
I know you're joking, but some of the best proof of Jesus is in acting out his love in public. People who have been corrupted by demonic spirits absolutely cannot stand it, and will lead to some very bizarre interactions.
@@adifferentangle7064 That's only in your 1597 imagination. First you need to understand that your imagination is not everyones reality. Its only delusional people that think that. You're not delusional are you?
@@adifferentangle7064 “The best proof of Jesus is in acting out his love in public” Do mean the mass slaughter of children and babies? No wonder you get some odd reactions.
I guess we can all be a little OCD over the cult we used to belong to, but it isn't very interesting to people who weren't in the same cult. Rename the vid, Private Therapy with Bart Ehrman. I love how Dr. Ehrman is so gracious to lend his expertise to any question.
Very, very good point. It seems like "the dark side of the Force" has been completely purged. Therapy is good !! Theramin Trees' channel is excellent in this regard.
@MythVision Podcast: Do you know about Open Theism? Maybe ask Will Duffy to present it or "realityisnotoptional" on UA-cam. Open theism is the view that the future is open. Both would explain why Jesus said some things and it did not happen as said, using Biblical principles about how prophecies work and how the future is open and not settled. This would solve probably most of the "problems" you guys currently seem to have.
@@AAwildeone Open Theism is currently accepted as one of the 4 orthodox views of God's omniscience in relation to time. Just take a look at "Will duffy debate" on UA-cam and watch one of his opening statements to see how he uses the Bible to justify his claims, he presents it way better than me in my previous comment hehe ^^
As Richard carrier has pointed out Paul makes it clear those who are not under the law still sin because everyone who sins dies and sinse everyone dies everyone sins unless you enter an agreement with God.
Re Matt 24, people fail to understand what the prophesied kingdom of heaven is. It's not a sudden transformation of the world but an awakening that Christ said would take place during the apostles's lifetime. People see that evil is still around and think what Christ prophesied did not happen. It first takes place in a personal way and as the swamp is drained, eventually the earthplane will be purified and then something will happen on a global scale, but we are not there yet.
Really? That's probably the reason why Paul told the Corinthians not to get married. Because that would prevent them to achieve the "awakening". 🤣🤣🤣 This is the sort of of feedback one gets from a mind polluted with theology. Just read the text for what it is : 1st century literature that reflects the levels of literary of the ancient times and the lack of understanding of the world that came post scientific revolution and enlightenment.
Only they have failed to understand the spiritual nature of the kingdom of God and Christ return in AD 70 and its implications . Preterism stands the test .
I think if you research Constantine's conversion, it was a deathbed, end of life situation. Kind of a hedging one's bets, not some heroic realization which revealed some great truth i.e. Christianity, deceptive nonsense.
John Bell - I agree on the deceptive nonsense bit; but as to Constantine’s alleged “deathbed conversion”, as my ninety-nine-year-old Sicilian barber would say, “bull$%*t@to...”. It was all made up: Constantine never did see the “In Hoc Signo Vinces”/ “Εν Τούτω(ι) Νίκα(ι)” nonsense; nor did he ever “convert” to Christianity: it was all smoke and mirrors...Constantine may have been a blockhead and utterly ruthless, but he was also an out-and-out atheist. He was more Machiavellian than Machiavelli (and this, over a full millennium before the man himself); to him, Christianity was a just handy political tool to help unite the empire and to consolidate his own hold on it-nothing more.
Or, vice versa works just as well, 🤣 Best to remember the first rule of prophecy, "Never be too specific for they will catch you on your details." Why? The wise look for truth and do not too easily accept every claim and be deceived by the false. That is their duty for themselves, for their loved ones and for their society. The wise say "I do not know" with out fear others would try to drive them to accept poor conclusions by threats of exclusion, even though that shunning happens. Be brave, be wise and refuse to fear the poorly threatened darkness.
The 2nd coming was “at hand” in the first century, but depended on Jewish national repentance (Matt. 23:39; Acts 3: 19-21). The nation had 40 years to repent. When they refused, the city was destroyed in A.D. 70 and the second coming postponed.
New Jerusalem, the Church, is explained in the Hebrews: _"For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest . . . But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel." -- Heb __12:18__, 22-24 KJV_ Notice the present tense. Dan
Fascinating discussion! Here's other points to consider that may help with the believability of the end being nigh in that generation. During Jesus' ministry He raised several people from the dead - Lazarus and Jairus's daughter etc. These who were raised from the dead, presumably could not die a second time since "it's appointed unto men (only) once to die and after death the judgement" Heb. 9:27. Also in Matt. 27:51-53, many Saints were ressurected and came out from their graves - presumably these could not die again either. So to explain what happened to all these Saints, it makes sense to assume they were translated in the same generation that they were brought back to life. If not, then they are still on Earth walking around today, unless they died a second time - which is not in accord with the Hebrews passage. No one has ever been able to explain to me what happened to them. The best assumption would be they were raptured at the 2nd coming of Jesus, in their generation, and probably at the destruction of the Temple and at the end of that world in about AD 70. Please give your opinion on what happened to them and when?
If there were such figures, could they read and write? If you were such a person, wouldn't you want your amazing story to be known to everybody for all time? You see, when you literalize a story, you only resurrect more and more questions for yourself, which may or may not be a good thing. Maybe they did write down their stories on a bad batch of papyrus, I don't know. Except, that's not quite good enough...Cheers!
All of these people were brought back into their old bodies and healed. They haven't received their new bodies yet, so they would live normally and die normally, from the point they were resurrected.
@@adifferentangle7064 ..thanks, for giving your opinion. But how do you know they were brought back into their old bodies? Most bodies start decaying almost immediately! Some of these Saints could have died centuries before their resurrection, and their 'old bodies' could have already returned to the dust of the earth. Jesus had a new glorified body when He was resurrected, so why couldn't they have theirs also? Jesus is the firstfruits of those who slept, so my guess is they had the same new body type that He had - post resurrection. And if so, then I would expect they left with Him when He left here in Acts 1:9.
Yes, but one can easily see how many people would react excessively to the destruction of the Temple in AD 70. The Holy of Holies was the place where God resided. When Bart says the destruction of Jerusalem -- and the Temple complex -- was not a cataclysmic event, he is technically correct. But there were groups who would have regarded it as such. Just imagine how Muslims would react to the destruction of Mecca. I suppose many of them would die outright just from shock.
The Jews/God had another temple. He just went back to the temple of on for 3 years, then again, academics are paid to say there was only one temple. Google the temple of on/onias
Looking up every usage of a word thru history probably isn’t the best way, even with a somewhat continuous philosophy such as [Proto-to-1st century CE Judaism]. Meanings of words change over time, philosophy, and geography. I am not an expert linguist, but I would focus on 1st C CE usage and the biblical passages that most influenced the author (2 Isaiah? Ch 40-66?)
No man knows what day the Lord is going to come, not even the Son of man, but a day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as a day in eternity. But the bible tells us to watch and pray, that the day does not catch us unawares.
It’s the end of the old covenant, not cosmos. They had no thought that the whole world was going to be destroyed completely. Why would God elect Adam as the first priest in Genesis to then destroy everything. The problem is that you can control people with an end of the cosmos narrative. We turned it into that. The writers did not.
The signs given by Jesus are absolutely world-ending: sun darkened, moon dimmed, stars falling, the Son of Man coming in the clouds with angels gathering faithful people from all the Earth... "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." etc. Jesus was referring to Daniel 7 and the everlasting kingdom of God and the rule over all the Earth by his people: In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
@@Entropy423 well, actually not all. The prophecy about turmoils and Temple destruction happened, but that was relatively easy to predict: it was already happened and seen the importance of the Temple and the national identity of Hebrews only an armed intervention and a radical humiliation could have been effective. The world-shattering part is missing and it's within the terms of the prophecy. No Son of Man coming on the clouds, no angels gathering the people of God, no endless rule etc.
@@mavrospanayiotis 1. It already did happen because that’s all in spiritual context of the scripture. 2. The Romans didn’t know America existed or how big the earth even was. 3. Angels had to have gathered the people of God because Christian’s got out and spread the gospel. 4. Jesus’ kingdom is endlessly ruling right now. He also said His kingdom is not of this world. 5. Matthew 16:27-28 also says Jesus will come in the glory of His Father. We can see the Lord coming on the clouds in judgement** in the Old Testament. Does this mean he came in physically on a cloud? No.
@@Entropy423 1/5. No point to support that is a spiritual reality more than a material one, Jesus declared that people still alive will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds, doesn't seem a metaphor but a literal sense, a phisical sign like wars, earthquakes, Temple demolitio , stars falling etc. 2/3. Paul himself declared at some point that the gospel has been preached to all humanity, echoing Jesus prophecy: "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come". It's still something that Jesus predicts would be happening within the generation frame, a thing wich failed. 4. Jesus kingdom came but nobody noticed, no celestial Jerusalem came down, no particular blessings came to the believers. The followers themselves were still waiting for the coming after years, although it was clearly stated that the timeframe was a generation. In general i agree with you that the terms of the prophecy are passed, but also that Jesus prophecy failed in many points: no stars falling, no sun blackening, no general revolution of the world and punishment of the wicked etc. Not that God wasn't ruler before, within the cultural view of the Bible God's power is absolute, he rules always and everything happens accordingly to his will; what we miss is the actual rectification of sin and humanity promised by the coming of the Kingdom OUTSIDE of simple human soul. The Kingdom was already spiritually real WITHIN before the death of Jesus, the Kingdom is between/among you. What Jesus promises for the End happening within the generation is his role as ruler of all the Earth and Nations under divine law for ever. It's a cosmic event and Jesus wants hid followers to be ready for the general judgement of humanity with the second coming. If all of this would really have happened, every evil act happening after the judgement would be actually good for God, since it's allowed under his direct rule on the material world.
I feel like Dr. Ehrman thinks of MythVision as the place where he can kick back and have a bit of fun. He seems a little more laid back on here.
Actually he seems more relaxed during the past couple years.
I don't know...I sort of think Dr. Ehrman really isn't too fond of getting into particular belief-constructs like preterism and israel only stuff. There are videos of him back in the day, pre-MVP, where he emphasizes he's not a theologian, and doesn't really want to address every miniscule sectarian difference in the history of christianity, because it's actually not the best use of his time and expertise. You don't ask Bart Ehrman the same sheet of questions you have for internet religious jagoffs. When Derek kinda uses the time of these kinds of guests to revisit and reenforce his personal deconversion, it's kind of obvious; and I think the good doctor senses that. But it's ok...this is my 3rd watch, so what am I bitching about? Lol
@Auld Lang Syne exactly. I prefer Carrier more in being more balanced.
Exactly. #Centrist #Agnostic #AntiTheist #Spiritual #GoVegan 💚
Humans are proven in health studies to be best suited for the vegan lifestyle/plant-based. Some major diseases are exclusive to animal based diets. But you probably season animals, like I used to. We have mockups where you cannot tell the difference, and even taste better. The pandemic was started by eating bats. Several outbreaks happen from animal agriculture. Even with this one, scientists warn of it. The AMA (American Medical Association), the Physician's Committee, the largest study known as the China Study, and several other sources state that thousands of top doctors and evidence points to humans being plant-based. Even the latest science shows early ancestors were thriving on plant-based. Some worship the cow but there's a lot of recorded animal abuse there. They're the second largest producer of beef. About 99% of animals come from factory farms and even regular farms tend to be pretty brutal on average, on documentation. We've had several animal based companies go out of business. The largest milk company and oldest, in America, went out of business recently after filing bankruptcy. Vegan meat and vegan milk outsell their animal based counterparts when sold side by side. But only vegans in the millions. The Canada food pyramid now has meat, dairy, eggs, and other animal products removed. The AMA is encouraging hospitals to replace processed meats and butter and such with plant-based alternatives. 75+ land animals are raped into the world each year, tortured, and murdered while around 1 billion humans starve a day. The main reason for pollution, droughts, deforestation is animal agriculture. About 85% of antibiotics (synthetic ones that destroy good bacteria too) go to animal agriculture. Even then, plenty of cancer tumors and other things that get unchecked or barely treated before the meat rots as it sits around getting moved around until it's bought. Heart disease is the number one killer in America, mainly linked to animals, especially red meat. Type two diabetes is caused to humans by animal fat, officially. So on and so forth.
Incredible score Derek. Bringing the best biblical scholars, day after day, week after week.
Exactly. #Centrist #Agnostic #AntiTheist #Spiritual #GoVegan 💚
Well pedophilia is when you're into prepubescent (into those under 10). A lot of people confuse that with just minors. When life expectancy has gone up. When even in the dumb, debunked, unoriginal Bible it has the 14 year old girl (pubescent). In "Prophet" Muhammad's story, the girl was 6 (prepubescent) when they met and at 9 (prepubescent) married. That was legit pedophilia, with Muhammad. The brain doesn't even fully develop till 25, not 18. 18-19 are still teens (eighteen and nineteen...). By 13 years old, about half of UK girls already have sex. Age of consent varies around the world. It's inconsistent with reality to have it at 18+. It's just age discrimination. Neem oil not many know of but in major peer review studies, the oil is 💯% effective in killing sperm on contact and killing STDs on contact. Condoms or tubes tied don't even hit 💯%. The average classical philosopher was into minors. The KJV Bible is said to be the worst translated one. But, it's the most popular. King James was openly homosexual in his teenage years till death. As an adult, he was into teenage boys. The world is overall very stupid. Haha. Even recent talk on Jeffrey Epstein shows that he wasn't really doing pedophila, by definition. People confuse words and ideas plenty.
Humans are proven in health studies to be best suited for the vegan lifestyle/plant-based. Some major diseases are exclusive to animal based diets. But you probably season animals, like I used to. We have mockups where you cannot tell the difference, and even taste better. The pandemic was started by eating bats. Several outbreaks happen from animal agriculture. Even with this one, scientists warn of it. The AMA (American Medical Association), the Physician's Committee, the largest study known as the China Study, and several other sources state that thousands of top doctors and evidence points to humans being plant-based. Even the latest science shows early ancestors were thriving on plant-based. Some worship the cow but there's a lot of recorded animal abuse there. They're the second largest producer of beef. About 99% of animals come from factory farms and even regular farms tend to be pretty brutal on average, on documentation. We've had several animal based companies go out of business. The largest milk company and oldest, in America, went out of business recently after filing bankruptcy. Vegan meat and vegan milk outsell their animal based counterparts when sold side by side. But only vegans in the millions. The Canada food pyramid now has meat, dairy, eggs, and other animal products removed. The AMA is encouraging hospitals to replace processed meats and butter and such with plant-based alternatives. 75+ land animals are raped into the world each year, tortured, and murdered while around 1 billion humans starve a day. The main reason for pollution, droughts, deforestation is animal agriculture. About 85% of antibiotics (synthetic ones that destroy good bacteria too) go to animal agriculture. Even then, plenty of cancer tumors and other things that get unchecked or barely treated before the meat rots as it sits around getting moved around until it's bought. Heart disease is the number one killer in America, mainly linked to animals, especially red meat. Type two diabetes is caused to humans by animal fat, officially. So on and so forth.
April 27th, 2021
5:08 am Philippines time
Of course, anyone that knows why I say overrated virus... Assuming it's not the flu, it's just not as bad as the Spanish Flu, heart disease, alcoholism, cancer, etc.
Spanish Flu killed at least 50,000,000 people, globally. In America, it killed at least 675,000.
Alcohol kills (mostly men) about 3 million yearly, around the globe.
Heart disease kills about 17 million a year, globally. It's the leading cause of death in America each year, at almost 700k/year. Heart disease is almost always avoidable with a plant-based diet (being vegan).
Obesity kills about 2.8 million annually, around ze globe, Mason. Around 300k Americans a year will die from obesity. This is excessive calories, and also animal-based diets aid this with unhealthy fats, acids, and other things that drain people of proper bodily functions and energy.
Tobacco? Almost 6 million a year, globally. At the current rate, with no change, it's projected to be at least 8 million a year, globally. More than 480k deaths in America a year are caused by cigarettes.
Cancer? Around 10 million people a year will die from cancer, globally. About 600k a year die from cancer a year in America. This is mostly linked to animal-based diets.
*** Coronavirus? **********************************
Well, the test wasn't designed for this virus to begin with, according to the founder of the test. A lot of false positives and even false negatives. A lot of "Coronavirus deaths" are due to people having some symptoms but were actually dead from cancer, falling down the stairs, or something else. This is according to many medical personnel that feel uncomfortable writing down COVID-19 as cause of death when it was clearly something else. A lot of incentives for hospitals and for yet again, Big Pharma and governments who have lobbyists (which involves our fake drug war too).
- The supposed amount of coronavirus deaths....
*Globally:
3,129,911
*America:
572k
*Philippines:
Has the worst amount of cases for Southeast Asia. It's been like this here since the very beginning of this thing. The Philippines is known for being the most unhealthy Southeastern Asian country, according to many news outlets. It's quite obvious from the street "food", to excessive white rice (filled with sugar and very processed), to loads of pork (Spanish influence and hypocritically because the Bible advises against pork), one of the very top nations for alcoholism and cigarettes, etc. Most people here are not plant-based. Most people here seem to not even know what veganism is. A lot of Catholics are known for stupidly thinking fish isn't meat even though fish are mammals. But whatever, that's religion in itself, fucking stupid and a scam. That's another topic.... Hehe....
16,783
- The supposed amount of cases of coronavirus:
*Globally:
148,276,646
*America:
32.1 million
*Philippines:
998k
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There you have it, folks. That's life. An ultimately tremendous amount more people died from the Spanish Flu than this virus. Lockdowns were provided then too. Second wave was far worse. There are currently areas with heavy lockdowns that have larger amounts of cases than places that don't have much protocol in lockdowns, based on populations. Los Angeles of California Exodus/Cali Poop Patrol (😂😂😂😅😅😹😹😹😹🤣🤣🤣😂😅🤣😂) has large amounts of cases while Sweden barely has any and Sweden is light on lockdown while Los Angeles is very harsh in lockdown. This is prior to these experimental, profitable, and already problem-causing (injuries and deaths have occurred off these shots minutes to days or weeks later) rushed vaccines.
#coronavirus
#GoVegan 💚 For the planet, for health (and to stop overrated viruses caused by non-vegans), for world hunger, and for the animals.
@@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked So when is Paula Fredriksen coming up? She has interesting views on Paul.
I could listen to Bart Ehrman all day. It was a great interview. Even when I was a Christian, I never believed in any of the prophesies or people’s interpretation of them. I always remember thinking three things: wars, famine, and chaos happen in every generation; Jesus always said you would never know the hour; and to God a day was a thousand years and a thousand a day. Now, the first part is even more so. I think, if Jesus did not come back during the Great Depression and World War II, he will never come back. As for the others, I agree with Bart, they were written to relax people when the end did not come.
But not on a global scale
@@theweetbixkid7702 Thank you for your post. What do you mean? Could you explain?
@Willy Friedlander Yep. Funny. I missed that one. Thank you for the post. Wonderful call back to the Mayan prophesy stories back then.
The whole “god’s day is 1000 years” only works when it suits the Bible apologists purpose. When the Israelites wandered in the desert for 40 years, was a day 1,000 years? When it rained for 40 days and nights, was a day 1,000 years? No, because it doesn’t fit the purpose.
@@EmersumBiggins Wonderful comment. You hit the nail on the head.
1st century Judea was prolific in apocalyptic prophets starting with John the Baptist, continuing with Jesus of Nazareth and culminating in Paul of Tarsus. The sense of urgency with regards to the end of the world is very clear not only in Paul (1 Corinthians 7:25-31) but also in James (James 5:7-8), Peter (1 Peter 4:7) and Revelation (Revelation 22:12). If that wasn't enough the Gospels double down in Matthew (Matthew 16:27-28) and Mark (Mark 9:1). Thus we see a consistent pattern in first century Christian literature placing the end of times within a generation or two of the audience being addressed.
This conclusively demonstrates we are in presence of a failed prophecy.
We know from the dead sea scrolls and studies of the books of Enoch that Jewish apocalyptic prophecy was a well trodden career path well before John the B turned up and continued well past 70 CE. Be careful that you aren't limited to exclusively christian eschatology sources.
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Well...Not Really.
...I've I.D.'d 15 additional 'The End will come while some of my Apostles are Still ALIVE" Forecasts (seventeen [17] to date) spoken by Juh-HEEZ-Zuss in just the 'First Four" NT Gospels:
- 4 Verses in Matt: 10:23, 16:27-28, 23:36 & 24:33-34;
- 3 in Mark: 1:15, 9:1, & 13:30;
- 4 in Luke: 9:27, 10:9, 21:22 & 21:32 &;
- 6 in John: 12: 31-35, 14:2-4, 14:28,29, 16:7, 16:16-19 & 21:20-24.
Holy mackerel somebody is so right here..or there. Where is Hell in all of these irrational if random resurrections. Why is Satan so often portrayed as the "bad if necessary angelic presence?" What about that sonnuva gun Saul becoming sanctified as St Paul? Was that surreal or just a form of Bartesque vaudeville?
I highly suspected there was MORE to that recent BART EHRMAN interview since it was only 35ish minutes. Well, here IT is.
There will never be enough BART ERHMAN content available; he's so knowledgeable & a great educator!
You write like Frank Miller with the constant emphasis haha
I guess we could compare the clothing and background? :)
@@spykezspykez7001 Need to be a bit careful on the clothing and background comparison. As a long time fan of Ehrman's you notice he tends to wear the same clothing a lot in various public appearances. That ugly long tan jacket he had seems to be his goto sartorial statement for years. I suspect he's one of guys who has the same wardrobe for a decade, buying like a 10 same style and colour shirts and 1 jackets and wears them till his wife throws them away.
Why does he teach the Jews only had 1 temple? He's an apologist
@@alexriley4665 What other temples were there? (no challenging; sincerely interested, and totally agree that Ehrman is an apologist of historicism)
God's word is so perfect we have 1,000 denominations of Christianity. And each one believes it is saved and all others are damned.
emptyhand777. so you have read the mission statement and what every one of the '1000'denominations actually believe.
Can you name 50 off the top of your head? and quote their beliefs as presented on their mission statement
@@MRFITTA - The fact there are 1,000 denominations and not simply 1 is evidence enough to support my claim.
It was an exaggeration to say each believe the others are damned, but it is not far fetched to say many believe that. All you need to do is listen to people preach about their beliefs.
If you want to know what's wrong about the ELCA, go ask the Missouri Synod. Ask a Presbyterian what's wrong about Catholicism. Ask anybody what's wrong with the Mormons.
Answer this, how many Christians have been killed by other Christians because of some twisted interpretation of their beliefs?
@@emptyhand777 Mormons are not Chritians for a start, neither are Jehovah Witnesses , Christian Scientists, and the like.
Let me educate you as you dont know what a Christian is by the sound of it.
Whether a person calls themselves a Catholic, Baptist, Lutherian, Presbyterian, Pentacostal, Non denomnational or any other; what makes a son of God - whether Jew or other( from my list) is the fact we are born again by the Spirit of God - its those who have experienced the rebirth who make up the body of Christ and there is only one.
Every single person who has been born by the Spirit is a son of God - Christian, or Jew, and its a complete nonsense to think the title on a buliding wall has anything to do with, or regulates it
Its rather amusing when people who don't believe the word of God says try to critique it by its content.
Erhman is a coward( he would never dare touch Islam and the Quaran) hiding behind misinformation, the fact that most believers are reasonable and not easily offended; his hope is his listeners don't actually read the bible for themselves.
@@MRFITTA - your reply proves my point. A perfect word of God wouldn't have so many differing interpretations, your's included.
But I'm sure your's is the correct one.
@@emptyhand777 that is the biblical version, not mine, but obvs you are not familiar with the bible. Why do you prob prefer to get misinformation from unbelieving skeptics rather than hear from the people who are walking by the truth the bible reveals - experentially?
I dont only believe because of whats written, there are experiences that are part of the Christian life.
So great that you're getting Dr. Bart on a few times! He's so articulate and able to talk to lay people about complicated stuff.
I study this subject to. Barts a con man who will tell you the Jews only had one temple. You're not going to get no truths from Bart
@@alexriley4665 😂
Another good interview with Dr. Bart Ehrman.
Both Dr. Erhman and MythVision Podcast are among my hero’s -- Great work Derek. 😎🎯
I would love to talk with both the host and Ehrman one day. I was a fundamentalist street preaching Christian and got booted out of that church for rejecting the Trinity for biblical unitarianism. That study towards finding historical context and the beliefs about Jesus the Jew himself led me to review ALL my fundamentalist beliefs. I ended up rejecting the common view of hell, death(afterlife in heaven or eternal punishment), looking into Torah keeping(cause Jesus kept it) and then eventually into preterism as I allowed the texts to mean what they said to the original historical audience. I was a believer in the view of the future Kingdom literally being on earth before that.
Then I pretty much gave up most of that study 4 years ago and abandoned it all and Christianity for the most part since I couldn't reconcile a bodily resurrection and a past judgement on Israel.
Its a mess to attempt to reconcile all this stuff in the Bible, especially if you actually put yourself in that 1st century context as an ignorant(not in a bad way) illiterate person having to just trust who you hear speak about the claims of a prophet or disciple of Jesus.
You might be a Jew, but, you escaped a cult.
I mean the OT is just an amalgamation of Jewish desert tales with the intent that they could provide a backdrop to their suffering & attempts at nation building. Despite all Abrahamic religions being wrong, it shows you that a group that believes in a destiny for themselves will succeed at a greater rate than ones that don't.
I've been a bit too hard on Ehrman in the past. Just watched his vid on "What Kind of Text is the KJV?" Totally wonderful, humorous and informative. I did not know -- until Bart informed me -- that 80% of the KJV was taken from the Tyndale Bible of 1525. For his efforts, Tyndale was branded a heretic and strangled/burned by Church authorities in 1536.
His last words (not from Bart) were, ""Lord! Open the King of England's eyes."
It's no accident that the Tyndale along with the Geneva had such an influence on Shakespeare. Most literary critics/scholars will give credit to the Tyndale bible for being the greatest prose in English, and for basically revolutionizing the language, to date.
What were you critical of? When you were hard on him?
Interesting. I've started to like him less. He's a bit too disdainful. The facial expressions seen here for sure are over the top.
@@tmjewel some of his sentences read like that facial expression lol.
Nobody here has actually read his work though, right? I mean aside from me?
@@winkydstanaccount5003 No I havent read his work but I was a subscriber to his blog. I should renew my subscription. That blog is golden...
Dr Ehrman helped bring me out of Christianity years ago but I've been so disappointed with his argumentum ad popularum that I haven't been able to watch his vids in a long time.
Hopefully this will help. Thanks, Derek! I'm now a new Patreon and hope to support you even more in the future!
As an opened minded, post-Calvinist preterist, I approve of this video.
Derek, our views are similar. (Full preterism, Calvinism) would love to chat sometime if you ever had a moment for a random UA-cam commenter 😂😊
Our doctrinal views are/were similar; I’ve now realized I know nothing, yet I recognize the providential hand of God on my life. Blessed/fun position to be in.
One of the things that surprised me to hear from Ehrman was his misunderstanding of "sun darkened, moon turn to blood" language. This language does appear in the OT regarding other judgement language on Israel. Basically--the prophets or whoever wrote them took a wide literary license of exaggeration in their language. It is not literal and it can be backed up.
One of the things about Preterism I've always wondered is, if it's true, why was there no "divinely-inspired" New Testament book to explain to Christians, "Now that all that prophecy stuff is in the past, here's what we do next"? The NT is _heavily_ saturated with prophecy and apocalypse, yet none of that stuff would have been relevant to Christians living centuries later when the NT was compiled. Yet "post-Apocalyptic" instruction--which would have been highly relevant, necessary even (if for no other reason than to keep Christians from mistakenly thinking that the Apocalypse was in the future rather than the past), does not make the cut.
Good point and as a Christian who accepts Preterism (though I am more of what they call a Partial Preterist) there are a few scriptures that speak of this, including the end of Revelation. It does seem as if we needed one more book and who knows, maybe its yet to be dug up somewhere, but as I mentioned, the scriptures are there, but the main thing at the time was preparing the church for persecution and letting everyone know the Jewish system, temple, all of it was getting ready to go down.
What we need to understand is Jesus was doing away with the Old T system of law, He IS the Temple and we have more than enough instruction on what it means to be a Christian.
If the Church accepted Preterism and looked at it from a kingdom now perspective, it would create another Reformation.
There is also good evidence of a kingdom now, Jesus ruling and blessing the world through technology and and our modern age, which largely exploded after the Reformation. History proves that Christianity was a leading cause for much of our advancements and non believers get blessed inspite of this.
@@mcgragor1 amen. But I think there is not a good biblical argument for the merely partial return. Blessings.
@@williambrewer I'm with you, but I don't take a position unless I am mostly sure, but one thing we all know who understand Preterism is that Jesus predicted the destruction of Jerusalem on THAT generation and sure enough, it happened.
Might be because all of the leaders of the main groups who pushed the narrative, like Paul and James, died. With no one left to instruct the group/s as a whole they may not have known what to do, so they went in a number of directions with it. Also if there was a group that thought, “well that’s it, it’s all come to pass”, they may not have felt the need to write anything or that group may have died (or maybe even vacuumed into the sky) before or during the takedown of the temple.
Just speculation, of course.
@Blah Blahblah Jesus actually "fulfilled" the law. What that finished was the Old C, thus ushering in the New Covenant, which was prophesied in the Old Covenant. The "SEED" of Abraham is Christ (talked about in the Torah and the book of Galatians where Paul explains the meaning) Christ fulfilled hundreds of other prophecies, so no, that is incorrect.
Debunking is very pleasurable to the ego, but understanding is humbling.
Derek, I am a partial preterist. I interpret The Revelation to be fulfilled in the first century through the first resurrection (through Rev 20:6,) with the destruction of Satan and the final judgment still to come.
Dan
Paul/Saul was just a man, like Ray Comfort, Kenneth Copeland, or Jim Jones.
Something seems “off” or forced in this conversation. It lacks the natural flow usually present on mythvision.
I've been approached with every explanation. And I read I believe in Matthew, that all the dead of the saints rose and preached the gospel through all Jerusalem. And there would be a very prominent point in history, all would know this. IF it did happen.
Lies, you ain't heard mine and mine is the truth 😂
Jesus did miracles. You've heard of it.
thats contrary to what paul said about the resuurection of dead
@@Moodboard39 right so some people did know it and wrote it down as a miracle so you know about it... other people just don't believe in miracles.. Hardly anyone just accepts stuff like that.. proof only makes a difference to some.
@@EndoftheAge717 Oh contrary. I believe in miracles. Ive seen them. But most ppl connect miracles with Jesus, I dont. What gets me is. ...if you all are so into Christianity, and. ...you all have a right to be.. but why are you all commenting on a Myth Vision video? Your not going to convert me. NEVER HAPPENING.
Hi Derek. Great show. You should try and get Dr Christine Hayes on to your show to discuss how Yahweh was originally a lesser god in the Canaanite pantheon and how he became the top god as the Israelites transitioned from polytheism to monotheism.
Great question and great topic to request for the show. However, I think it was El.
@@michaelhenry1763 Thank you. Yes it was indeed El.
*Although the biblical narratives depict Yahweh as the sole creator god, lord of the universe, and god of the Israelites especially, initially he seems to have been Canaanite in origin and subordinate to the supreme god El.* Canaanite inscriptions mention a lesser god Yahweh and even the biblical Book of Deuteronomy stipulates that *“the Most High, El,* gave to the nations their inheritance” and that “Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob and his allotted heritage” (32:8-9). A passage like this reflects the early beliefs of the Canaanites and Israelites in polytheism or, more accurately, henotheism (the belief in many gods with a focus on a single supreme deity). *The claim that Israel always only acknowledged one god is a later belief cast back on the early days of Israel's development in Canaan.*
*It is generally accepted in the modern day, however, that Yahweh originated in southern Canaan as a lesser god in the Canaanite pantheon* and the Shasu, as nomads, most likely acquired their worship of him during their time in the Levant.
*Yahweh in the Canaanite Pantheon*
The biblical narrative, however, is not as straightforward as it may seem as it also includes reference to the Canaanite god El whose name is directly referenced in `Israel' (He Who Struggles with God or He Who Perseveres with God). *El was the chief deity of the Canaanite pantheon and the god who, according to the Bible, gave Yahweh authority over the Israelites:*
When the *Most High [El]* gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of men, he fixed the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the Sons of God. For Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage. (Deuteronomy 32:8-9, Masoretic Text).
The Canaanites, like all ancient civilizations, worshipped many gods but chief among them was the sky-god El. *In this passage from Deuteronomy, El gives each of the gods authority over a segment of the people of earth and Yahweh is assigned to the Israelites who, in time, will make him their supreme and only deity; but it is clear he existed beforehand as a lesser Canaanite god.*
*Yahweh as God of Metallurgy*
According to scholar Nissim Amzallag, however, Yahweh was a god of metallurgy. Amzallag writes:
An essential link between Yahweh and copper is suggested in the Book of Zechariah where the dwelling of the God of Israel is symbolized by two mountains of copper (Zech. 6:1-6). In his prophecies, Ezekiel describes a divine being as `a man was there, whose appearance shone like copper' (Ezek. 40:3), and in another part of this book, Yahweh is even explicitly mentioned as being a smelter (Ezek. 22:20). In Isaiah 54:16, Yahweh is explicitly mentioned as the creator of both the copperworker and his work…Such an involvement of Yahweh is never mentioned elsewhere for other crafts or human activities. (394)
Amzallag further notes the similarities between Yahweh and other gods of metallurgy:
The god of metallurgy generally appears as an outstanding deity. He is generally involved in the creation of the world and/or the creation of humans. The overwhelming importance of the god of metallurgy reflects the central role played by the copper smelters in the emergence of civilizations throughout the ancient world. (397)
Amzallag compares the attributes of the Egyptian Ptah and the Mesopotamian Ea/Enki along with Napir of Elam, all gods of metallurgy (among their other attributes) with Yahweh and finds striking similarities. He further claims that the name of the god of the Edomites, Qos, is an epithet for Yahweh and notes how the Edomites, a people closely associated with metallurgy, were the primary workers and administrators of the copper mines at Timna and, further, that Edom is never mentioned in the Bible as challenging Israel in the name of a foreign god; thus suggesting that the two peoples worshipped the same deity (390-392).
*From God of Metallurgy to Supreme Deity*
Yahweh, according to Amzallag, was transformed from one god among many to the supreme deity by the Israelites in the Iron Age (c.1200-930 BCE) when iron replaced bronze and the copper smelters, whose craft was seen as a kind of transformative magic, lost their unique status. *In this new age, the Israelites in Canaan sought to distance themselves from their neighbors in order to consolidate political and military strength and so elevated Yahweh above El as the supreme being and claimed him as their own.* His association with the forge, and with imagery of fire, smoke, and smiting, worked as well in describing a god of storms and war and so Yahweh's character changed from a deity of transformation to one of conquest.
*As the Israelites developed their community in Canaan, they sought to distance themselves from their neighbors and, as noted, elevated Yahweh above the traditional Canaanite supreme deity El.* They did not, however, embrace monotheism at this time. The Israelites remained a henotheistic people through the time of the Judges, which predates the rise of the monarchy, and throughout the time of the Kingdom of Israel (c.1080-c. 722).
www.worldhistory.org/Yahweh/
@@michaelhenry1763
*Yahweh was introduced to Israel in a five-stage process:*
*Traditional Polytheism:* The earliest Israelites worshipped creator god El, his wife Asherah, and his sons e.g., Baal.
*Incorporation:* Yahweh was incorporated as a 2nd tier god in El’s pantheon.
*Elevation:* Yahweh and El are identified as the same deity.
*Monolatrism:* A new Yahweh-only movement emerges, and the gods of the second tier are denied.
*Monotheism:* Gods of other nations are denied, Yahweh’s power is deemed universal in scope.
*At some point in its history, El was identified with Yahweh as the same god.*
This equation is expressed clearly in Exodus 6:2-3. “And God said to Moses, “I am Yahweh. I appeared to the patriarchs as El, but by my name Yahweh I did not make myself known to them.” Other Biblical material asserts this equation. Joshua 22:22 states “the god of gods is Yahweh”. Judges 9:46 refers to “El of the covenant”.
*The Yahweh-alone movement vigorously condemn prominent Canaanite gods… except El. There are zero condemnations of El in the Hebrew Bible. This makes sense if Yahweh was ultimately identified with this Canaanite creator-god.* What’s more, archaeological evidence suggests that the Yahweh religious centers in Shiloh and Bethel were originally a place of El worship.
*El and Yahweh are attributed same characteristics.* El is depicted as a wise old man with a beard eg “You are great, O El, and your hoary beard instructs you”. Yahweh is described in the same terms (Daniel 7:9, Job 36:26, Habakkuk 3:6). Like “Kind El, the Compassionate”, Yahweh is a “merciful and gracious god”. The description of Yahweh’s dwelling place as a tent (Psalms 15:1, 27:6, 91:10) recalls the tent of El in the Canaanite narrative of Elkunirsa. Finally, both Yahweh and El are said to dwell amidst cosmic waters (Isaiah 33:20-22, Ezekiel 47:1-12, Zechariah 14:8).
*El’s wife was named Asherah. When Yahweh was identified with El, did he also inherit his wife?* In the blessings of Joseph, Genesis 49:25 contains language specific to the Asherah cult “blessings from Breast-and-Womb”. *The Bible further admits that the Israelites frequently worshipped a “Queen of Heaven”* (Jeremiah 7:18, 44:17-25). Indeed, 2 Kings 21:7 tells us that worship of Asherah happened within the Temple itself. *Finally, archaeology has uncovered several icons with the inscription “Yahweh and his Asherah”. This evidence cumulatively suggests that, in early forms of Israelite religion Yahweh was believed to have a wife.*
*The push towards monolatrism led to the eviction of the Asherah cult, whose memory may be preserved in Zechariah 5:5-11.* But this eviction created a deficit of femininity to Israelite religious expression. *To compensate, the Biblical writers began attributing feminine attributes to Yahweh (Isaiah 49:15, 46:3, 44:2,24, 42:14).*
*To induce the Israelites to stop worshipping Baal, the imagery of Baal was adopted by the Yahweh cult.* The Baal Cycle, ancient mythology on the scale of the Epic of Gilgameth, has four literary themes for the storm god. *Here are those themes, along with the Biblical text which mirrors them.*
The march of the divine warrior (Psalm 104:3 “He makes the clouds his chariot, and travels along on the wings of the wind”)
The convulsions of nature as the divine warrior manifests his power (Judges 5:5, Hab 3:10)
The return of the divine warrior to his holy mountain to assume divine kingship (Isaiah 31:4)
The utterance of the divine warrior’s voice from his palace provides rains that fertilize the earth (Jeremiah 10:13)
*Yahweh is also depicted as defeating Baal’s classic enemies:*
Baal/Yahweh defeats a seven headed dragon, Leviathan, and River (CAT 5.1, Psalm 74:13-15).
Baal/Yahweh defeats Sea (KTU 1.14, Psalm 89:10).
Baal/Yahweh defeats Death/Mot (KTU 1.4 VIII-1.6, Isaiah 25:8).
Polytheistic Roots of Israelite Religion | Fewer Lacunae
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@@LM-jz9vh Thank you very much for all the information you presented. I remember learning about El in my ancient history class. It blew me away and has stuck with me ever sense. At one point I learned that the origin of Yahweh was little bit murkier, but I am happy to see he is clearly Canaanite.
I love to read about how the different sects within Judaism incorporated either Yahweh or El into the Torah. For example, it was El who created the world in Genesis 1, but Yahweh created the world in Genesis 2. I love to see these competing camps put their stamp on the different creation myths and other stories within the Torah.
@@michaelhenry1763 You are very welcome. It is very interesting. And you are right with the two contradictory Genesis accounts that most people don't pick up on. Now you know why it states "Let *us* make man in *our* image." It was El speaking to the Canaanite pantheon. It has nothing to do with the Trinity and Jesus as most Christians think.
In the other contradictory Genesis account Yahweh has replaced El and his pantheon.
Oh, goody. Haven’t watched but upvoting first.
I love this channel I sometimes find the videos too long tho, although I totally accept they need to be long. I guess i'm used to watching 6 to 10 min videos.
It is getting very frustrating with all the ads as one tries to concentrate. I loose the will to go on watching your videos from the endless ad inserts.😢
Despite what Catholic, Orthodox or Reformed scholars have been saying for many centuries, Revelation 1:1 does not say that John would be shown things that must shortly come to pass. The Greek says he would be shown things that 'must come to pass in swiftness' or 'with swiftness'. In other words, John was shown some things that must happen rapidly once they start, and that mirrors end time prophecies elsewhere in the Bible, and it mirrors what Jesus said about his Father being the only one who knows when the end times will come.
And it's the same 'with swiftness' wording at the end of the book in Rev 22:6.
How could so many scholars get this wrong? Part of translation is interpretation, and those people were steeped in Augustine’s erroneous Amillennial eschatology, so they could not understand many end time prophesies like this.
Become Eastern Orthodox . They enjoy the FULLNESS of the faith.
Thanks 4 continuing to expand my mind❤👏
Good for you meanwhile my family is intentionally ignorant they barely use any form of internet i think im the only one that is actually learning stuff
How can you say that!!! Try listening to this properly- it really is nonsensical. E.g. around 16min. To be fair, at least Ehrman seems as confused as I was.
This felt like a real Christian VS Atheist debate...with Bart giving all those stern looks lol
His affect is honestly really annoying. I used to be spellbound by his lectures but now I see it's mostly because of his rhetoric - if you break down the logic of his statements they don't even make sense a lot of the time and he will really often obscure information or misrepresent the process of a historian.
@@agritrend4812 He says that we have more writings about Jesus than any other figure of history, but these writings are religious texts where often the sayings or events are copies of the OT or they happen for specific theological reasoning or they're the early church explaining things through the mouth of their savior. This is VERY different from, say, the memoirs of Julius Caesar and what we can get from them in terms of historical reliability. He doesn't even think the gospels are historically reliable, but he uses the fact that we have so many copies of them as if that proves historicity.
he not for it. He's a historian.
A lot of doubting Thomases in the comment section.
Having faith in Jesus Christ cost you nothing. Following his rules profits you AND the world.
Please come back to Jesus!!!! Repent and have faith in our Lord and savior Jesus Christ 🙏q
new subscriber, loving the content. Always appreciate the work of Dr Ehrman. my only complaint; the clickbaity title. I expected this interview to focus on the very clear predictions made three times by Jesus that his return was imminent but most of it seemed to focus on the definition of what constituted Israel according to some other scholar.
The way Bart chuckles after you hit the tagline at the end killed me 😂
The answer is in Daniel where Jesus says close up the book until the end. We are there, and we know it and Jesus said we would know it. This conversation might be confusing the issue.
I think it’s interesting the narrative of Jonah is overlooked in both this and the Staples interview. Jonah commissioned to go to the Nineveh (gentiles) to announce judgment, but forgiveness if they repent. I find it interesting that Jonah doesn’t demand circumcision or impose Torah on them… just repent and God will relent in his judgment. Nineveh doesn’t become Israel… but to me casts a vision for Peter/Paul’s future ministry… announcing judgment and promising forgiveness in Christ. Just a thought.
I actually planned on making a video on this very subject, but I haven't gotten around to it.
@@MythVisionPodcast plz do.
This is quite interesting, it’s like people could keep worshipping whatever they want, so long as they change their ways. Joining another religion or giving their current one up would have been unnecessary (unless you were Jewish). I’m not sure those fool hardy apostles picked that up from Jesus as they were pretty dense in the gospels.
I get the feeling this pushes it more into the line of Roman Propaganda theory.
Awesome.
Thank God that we have Bart Ehrman to correct 20 centuries of mistaken biblical scholarship. Imagine that. The Gospel Writers, Church Fathers, Protestant Reformers, and thousands upon thousands of biblical scholars, not to mention God the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ himself being corrected by this one little man. He is truly a treasure. We would be lost without him.
"Do not trust ... in mortal man, in whom there is no salvation."
Psalms 146:3
... except that Ehrman's views are not just his - since the beginning of it all various church fathers plus a lot of pagan thinkers said pretty much the same thing. Remember, the various Christian interpretations, that pretty much changed every century, were only enforced by force and/or blind faith to essentially illiterate Christians that NEVER read the various NT variants, let alone understood it.
You're RIGHT the first disciples believed " the end would come" in their time. Acts 1:6,7
But Acts is a version of the times of the apostles written way, way later - wouldn't it make more sense that it's taking a view of the times it was written and putting it into the past?
@@LordJagd Alot is possible. Even if " Acts" is a late production it can preserve an earlier didache( teaching). Some christians were burned alive by Nero. An imminent eschatology might have been comforting to the martyrs
Yes they did believe because it happened. The end did come, it was about the end of the Old covenant not the end of the planet or time.
@@chadarra so how come we still here? the world didnt end
@@Moodboard39
Because it's not about the end of the world or the end of time,
It was about the end of the Old Covenant World. when the temple was destroyed the Old covenant temple system ended. This was the end of their world.
Thanks for another great interview Derek: I hope your building Dr. Ehrman up for a long overdue chat with Joseph Atwill and/or James Valliant: that would be the Holy Grail of MythVision episodes in my opinion.
Valliant's information is great but his conclusions seem too narrow and precious. Ehrman-Carrier would of course be the showdown of the century.
Love your channel!
If salvation isn't what christians think it is, but if it's actually something that happens in the end, when christians will be saved from the armies and enter the kingdom, then why does the New Testament talk about being saved from sin? It's all about believing the death and resurrection of Jesus and being saved from sin and death. What am I missing here?
“But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.”
Jude 1:17-19 NIV
So awesome to see the truths of the Bible coming true today. You guys are mentioned a LOT in the Scriptures.
“The wise shall inherit glory, But shame shall be the legacy of fools.”
Proverbs 3:35 NKJV
Paul wrote so much of the NT. Why didn’t he write his own conversion story?🤔
Lol he did
2 Cor 12
@@egoeimi3333 Luke wrote it not paul
@@sidneysmith3426 Have you read Wilson's book?
Well Galatians 1 seems to be Paul talking about his revelation he received but it completely contridicts the acts accounts by a long shot
1:41 - Scatology? I have a cousin who wanted to study scatology- but she became a Greek bank CFO instead: helped to bring about the demise of the country’s economy.
The study of animal droppings?
Immanuel Kahn - Quite so, quite so.
@@zapkvr hahahaha, the study of fecal matter
Maybe you have already interviewed this guy, but if you really want an answer to that question, you need to interview Joseph Atwill, he's the only one who has brought out the Josephus and Biblical connections of the New Testament
You would love to read my stuff if you like Joseph's stuff. I'm more truthful than them all though, and probably read Josephus more than anybody in this group.
People are willing to acknowledge that full preterism is wrong in claiming resurrection to place in 70AD (and Ehrman rightly asks "is that what the Jews thought"??).
Why not accept that same commonsense in acknowledging that when Paul said "resurrection", he could only possibly have meant an empty tomb
Circumcised in the heart, now. . .Paul
Can anyone explain to me what judgement day means to Christians who believe in salvation through faith alone?
Good question, but "faith alone" believers can have differences and often many believe in eternal security in some sense. See Steven Anderson and let's say James White. Anderson could claim that Christians should do what parts of the bible says, but that whatever you do of sins, does not matter, you just get consequences here in this life. White or someone like him, could say, if you are a true elect, and received the Spirit, you will live a different life, i.e do good deeds and not willfully commit sins over time. But I would say many in that camp still uphold that they are to be judged by their Christian walk/life. Their deeds they did while a Christian etc. But that it may not have an effect on Salvation itself, but on "rewards in heaven". For instance, the The Parable of the Talents Matt 25:14> and 1 Cor 3:11-15. I think the latter is misunderstood context by alot of people.
My interpretation when I was a Christian was a day that would be the end of life on earth where we would all have to stand be for god and hear if we were accepted into heaven . Jesus would sit at the right hand of god and either say - I do not know this one’ or ‘I know this one’ and it would determine your place in hell or heaven. It’s a terribly in human process - I am glad I don’t believe in they anymore
It means judgment for everyone else except me and my kind.
There are two judgements: 1) the judgement seat of Christ where Christians will be rewarded, and 2) the white throne judgement at the end of Revelation where those who have rejected Christ will be sentenced.
Thank you for your response
70 AD, was the year that the Roman General Titus marched into Jerusalem, and destroyed the temple that Jesus spoke of when He was teaching His disciples that the temple as they knew it, was going to be no more. That the temple now would be in the body of the believer, thus, it was Paul who said know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. When Jesus was teaching His disciples, He was once again as He always did, pointing to the fulfillment of prophecy. He said that not one stone would be left upon another. And when Titus marched into Jerusalem and sacked it, the Roman soldiers scraped the gold from the dome of the temple that had melted due to its burning, the gold was dripping down the temple walls, and the Romans were pushing the stones, one off of another to recover the melted gold. During the tribulation, the Anti-Christ will allow the temple to be built again, and deceiving the Jews then, he will go into the temple and sit upon the throne of God and declare himself to be God because he will have established the building of the new temple. When this takes place, this will be the fulfillment of the prophecy when Jesus said for the Jews to flee unto the mountains because they will then come to the realization that Jesus was the Messiah, who was crucified. The Anti-Christ will then be so enraged, that he will go after the Jews, and begin heavy persecution against them. In that time, the Great Tribulation will be in the 4th year of 7 years, and at this time the period that Jesus spoke of would multiply exponentially, a time that the world has not seen, nor will see again. Again I say, if the blind lead the blind, they will both fall into a ditch...
Since you can't know what the disciples thought back then, since the texts don't come from before that, but around the time the temple was destroyed, all you said is based on mere speculation
What are Bart's thoughts about Daniel chapter 2 (especially the fourth empire (leg, feet, toes)) and when Daniel was written?
I know that Bart specializes in the New Testament but Jesus' use of the title "Son of Man" is a reference to the Old Testament book of Daniel.
I am a former Christian that at one point in my final stages was a partial or maybe full preterist. My forced position was similar to Don Preston's testing with the huge distinction that I bought into the idea that Jesus LITERALLY returned in the 1st century, raised the dead SAINTS (1st resurrection), judged the land of Jerusalem, and took the saints (his bride) away with him to reign in Heaven.
Since that point life on Earth has been existing in a post church age moving through time until the "last day" when the final resurrection of the living and dead would occur and a new land and sky would replace the destroyed heavens and earth that were burnt up and the New Jerusalem would descend on the new land to rule over the world. The parties to the 2nd resurrection would be judged and either granted agelasting life or punished with eternal destruction based on their submission to the rule of the kingdom of God (New Jerusalem).
That was what I felt forced to hold onto in order to believe in the Bible and its theology. That house of cards subsequently came crashing down.
Jesus nailed the "this generation", just because we can't figure out everything, it seems clear its a Spiritual kingdom. So you trade questions on how it all works, for atheism? So now your faith is that life is an accident, that we are just matter, that our consciousness is a happy accident? You did well to see Preterism was true, but I don't get trading one dilemma for a much bigger one, naturalism.
@@flamingswordapologetics I have found no evidence for the plausibility of supernaturalism. That leaves only naturalism and many unanswered questions that we have to continue to try to answer.
@@dkgoolsby You talking to me with reason, knowledge, a conscience, life itself is "supernatural".
I think if you truly think about it, we all know we can't be accidents coming from "nothing". That would certainly be a lot more supernatural than believing in God, because there is nothing in space and time that can just make itself.
I realize that doesn't get you to Christianity is true, but it sure lays a foundation.
I think it takes much more faith to believe we all just popped into existence. I would encourage you to watch some videos with Michael Behe, Stephen Myer, James Tour, John Lennox etc.. I'd rather have unanswered questions that at least makes sense of who we are, our purpose, the why of how we came to be, than to have unreasonable assumptions that somehow all of this popped out of nothing.
Keep searching, remain open. I'm doing the same.
@@flamingswordapologetics the idea of coming from nothing by way of any means (including a deistic creation) is not confidence inducing. My understanding is that the universe we share existence in came about because SOMETHING(S) we can't yet define, identify, or attribute characteristics to acted or was acted upon. Saying anything more is unsubstantiated and dishonest at worst.
The issues that many seem to have is solidly rooted in Protestantism, and sola scriptura. The idea that the New and Old Testament are the foundation of the Christian faith. This is not how anyone saw the Christian faith until the Reformation. The Church - the community - was the foundation. The scriptures were used to supplement this faith in the context of the Christian liturgy. But that is another topic I suppose.
What about Matthew 16:27,28. Some here will not taste death.
thats thr question they cant answer
Paul did not say that the gospel had been preached to the whole world, but that it had gone out into the whole world! Jesus said if the blind lead the blind then they both will fall into a ditch!
Love Ehrman
Always enlightening, thanks.
Would be interesting to hear Dereck and a Bahai such Rain Wilson discuss some of these issues
HERES A GUY,PAUL, WHO COMES RIGHT OUT AND SAY'S "I"LL EVEN LIE" TO GET PEOPLE TO BELIEVE ALL THIS BULLSHIT!! AND HE DOES!!
The Bible, as real and truthful as CNN is today.
Why? Isaiah 53 was written around 700 BC. Jesus came and went in exactly this way. CNN can't accurately tell you what's happening even as it sits in front of our faces.
@@EndoftheAge717 fake then and fake now, zero truth. None.
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Tx Derek
Tx Dr Ehrrman
Derek: Daniel predicted what happened in Acts 17. That's why people believe what they do about the destruction of the 2nd Temple.
11:00 The emphasis is not on the idea that it is going to be one single day, but that there is coming a day for judgment for everyone. That day began on 70 AD and continues on throughout history with each man receiving his judgment at his death.
5:30 you didn't see it because it's invisible. Look at how he describes the city - transparent, clear as glass, clear as crystal.
I don't want to take the bible or religion seriously anymore... I've been off and on with that wish for decades. It is hard to reject religion when you are married to a Christian fundamentalist.
In that passage in Acts where Paul is portrayed as saying (I paraphrase): "he has set a time in which he would judge the world by means of his Son he has appointed".......here comes the kicker... " _he has proven that by raising Jesus from the dead_ ". That statement is more pivotal to understanding that 1st century christian understanding of the second coming than many people realize - their certainty in the belief in the historicity of Christ's resurrection made any potential delay of the 2nd coming to be shrugged off as unimportant. This should help sceptics guard against the historically inept mistake of painting Jesus & early christianity with the same brush as the Harold Campings, Millerites or any other group whose theology deeply depended on Jesus returning soon on some specific date. When in the 2nd & 3rd century it was clear the Parousia hadn't yet occurred, it wouldn't have bothered/traumatized them the way skeptics fantasize it would have; I would propose it wouldn't have bothered them AT ALL prescisely because their belief in the historicity Easter resurrection made them unshakably confident in the inevitability of the 2nd coming.
Quoting Acts quoting Paul as some sort of evidence for what early christians thought is where the whole argument leaves the rails right at the beginning. Acts is, by most modern scholarship is dated 80-90CE and some serious works puts it as late a 110CE.
The work completely leaves out even hinting at the conflicts in the early church we know from the genuine letters of Paul existed, and Paul is presented in ways Paul writing about himself doesn't agree with. This is especially notable in Paul's letters statements on eschatology versus what the author of Acts thinks on the subject.
Its pretty obvious the author of Acts isn't attempting an actual accurate historical documentation in the work, but an idealised harmonist version where there were no major theological or sectarian rifts between any of the major players in the post Jesus death period till the end of the 1st century.
Understanding this means of course the author of Acts can reconcile early christian beliefs on eschatology with late 1st century concepts on the same subject. That's the part of the point of this theological work.
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q Despite what you'll hear some scholars interviewed on mythvision say, (you wouldn't suspect that) the actual reality is that MAJORITY of new testament scholars who _actually specialize_ in the book of Acts actually believe it was written by a travelling companion of Paul (I'm sure you're surprised by this piece of information about the academic community!!), so don't be too confident in doubting that Acts gives complimentary info that can be harmonized with data from authentic letters & other sources (as majority of Acts scholarship thinks).
In any case, don't misunderstand me - MY QUOTING ANY PASSAGE IN ACTS DOESN'T IN ANY WAY INDICATE THAT MY ASSERTION IN ANYWAY DEPENDS ON THE RELIABILITY OF Acts, NO!; Bart Ehrman's mention of that verse merely reminded me to make that point, which can still be proven even on the assumption that every single word in Acts is a lie.
MY POINT IS THAT: every single 1st century christian that expected a second coming of Christ did so PRECISELY because they believed Christ was risen & taken to heaven after crucifixion (obviously!). This firm belief in Christ's resurrection & enthronement in heaven (which every single christian ever, including the undisputed Pauline letters clearly shared) would certainly have ensured that no delay in his 2nd coming would have been a cause for any concern, theological doubt, trauma or alleged cognitive dissonance of any kind in the minds of christians of the first 5 centuries (contrary to what is usually asserted). Their belief in a soom immediate occurence of the 2nd coming was merely what I would call a PROVISIONAL EXPECTATION, which if not fulfilled in their lifetime would have been casually shrugged off as an intentional delay by the Enthroned Christ in heaven. It is very METHODOLOGICALLY inept & MISGUIDED to COMPARE them to these very MODERN CHARACTERS like Harold Camping, Millerites, fundamentalists, etc who would have felt a sense of failure/cognitive dissonance if christ didn't come at a specified date or in their lifetime.
In summary, a historian should not make the mistake of projecting the mindset & psychology of Harold Camping or modern fundamentalists onto actual 1st century christians.
@@tsemayekekema2918 Quite the need to CAPITALISE certain words I'm not sure. As it makes your piece look very odd - surely not your intent, if you want appear like a serious correspondent suggest drop this adolescent presentation.
As to the idea the author of Luke and Acts was the traditional theological version being part of serious modern academic scholarship. Name 5 serious scholars, non evangelical, who endorse you very minority view. I'll take a lack of response as concession.
Your claim as what every first century 1st christians believed is also completely unsupported. Anything asserted without evidence is dismissed without evidence.
This is a serious debate, not your local sunday school.
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q dismissing the views of a scholar recognized in the wider academic community (including would-be liberals) because you don't like whatever his personal religious convictions incidentally happen to be doesn't invalidate his academic views (that's just unneccesary prejudice which I wouldn't dignify). What I said about majority of Acts specialists thinking it's authorship was by a travelling companion of Paul was verbatim from a statement made by a recognized Acts scholar Craig Keener. I could list 10-15 scholars if I really tried to remember names but I'm not going to dignify your dismissal of an opinion on the "we" passages in the book of Acts which is dominant in the academic community on the basis your own made up criteria regarding the personal religious beliefs of the academics in question; at best the academic community is evenly divided on authorship.
As to my (uncontroversial) assertion that every strand of 1st century christianity known to us (asides maybe protognostics, Marcionite, Valentinians & the likes) expected a 2nd coming, just go read the texts! Paul's undisputed letters expected a return of an enthroned christ, so did the gospel of John, the canonical Apocalypse, the pseudonymous author of 2 Peter, Jude, the disputed Pauline epistles, the author of Hebrews; I think I've covered almost the entire new testament right there; of course there are a whole lot of non-canonical works that clearly expect a 2nd coming (I'm in agreement with the minority of scholars who think Mark 13, Matthew 24 & Luke 21 weren't intending to portray Jesus as specifically talking about his own 2nd coming after temple destruction, which is why I didn't mention the synoptics)
So please tell me, what exactly was controversial about my assertion that an expected 2nd coming was a virtually universal tradition in 1st Christianity?? Isn't that prescisely what Drs Ehrman, Mason, Goodacre and others have said??
As regards my use of capital letters, I'm sorry if it comes across as rude. I only meant to emphasize certain points, maybe I'll stick to italics alone henceforth
@@tsemayekekema2918 Didn't think you could help yourself and remember I said 5, you give me 1 - now that's just lazy.
You can't be a serious historian on a subject when you sign up to this statement on the subject you study with this "devoted to the inerrancy and inspiration of the Scriptures and the gospel of Jesus Christ" .
That's the statement of the Evangelical Theological Society which Keener is currently the president of. Someone who sets out to proves an existing view of the bible isn't history, its theology.
Also it massive logic fault to say "everyone but these big exceptions, thought so and so."
As you obviously aren't interested in a historical discussion and I'm not interested in hearing a theological based one, have a nice day.
I commend the depth of discussion on this channel. I am a repudiated ex-Christian. These are interesting topics from an academic standpoint, but you may as well be discussing "Alice in Wonderland," as far as Truth is concerned.
The Jewish tribes had their own cult god, not a universal god. If there is a higher being, it is higher than this cult god, and definitely purer. Jesus gave some very stupid advice, such as love your enemies. How stupid is that? The Jews don't, and he was from Judaism.
It is easy for the gospel writers to put prophecies in his mouth, since the gospels were written after the events happened, like 70 A.D., as well as miracles and all the other superstitions about him. Total intellectual dishonesty. The laws of Nature are not turned on and off.
Right, there's some understanding that this tribal god was made into a sort of transcendent god around the Hellenistic era due to influence from the new Eastern Mediterranean idea of an "Absolute", which Yahweh is sorta sloppily fit into the mold of, even though the Torah narratives (esp. Exodus) are pretty clearly about a god that walks around and eats with the Israelites. People have talked about god in abstract terms since the Akkadians, but it seems like we can see the changes in Judaism in the conflict of the old view and newly developing view.
Before Christ, there were many God's on earth, each assigned to different geographic areas. I've heard this described as "God's family", which He allowed in to play the game.
These were brought in after the tower of Babel situation.
So, to give you a brief biblical timeline, at first, God came down with his angels. Angels literally screw up, creating Nephilim and big mess.
Angels get banished, God "yeets" people all over the earth, and brings in other Gods to help manage the people on earth.
God Himself (creator, God of Light), chooses a nomadic people's for His to rule over. Is constantly unhappy with the way they carry on, and they keep going to worship other Gods that aren't theirs.
God brings Himself down to Earth as His own Son, takes all other Gods away from earthly influence, and tells people from now on there will be only one God on Earth, for whom to worship.
Other Gods cease being worshipped over the next thousand or so years, as they no longer have influence on Earth.
That's where we are up to, with the note that Satan and his demonic entities are still trying to prevent God's word from reaching the extent of the earth.
So, yes, there were other Gods, for a very long time. Not now.
Love the comment. As far as the Alice in Wonderland part...some of Derek's questions about prederism were equivalent to asking if Lewis Carroll wanted the queen to really cut off heads. Erhman's scowl after being asked about whether end time prophecies had yet to come true or already happened seemed to say "You realize this is a fable, right ?"
@@adifferentangle7064 This is like arguing whether the future is Star Trek or Star Wars. When there are so many earthly problems, talking about fairy tales seems rather trivial.
@@onedaya_martian1238 Not when you consider most of the world's problems are a result of rejection.
Dr. Bart is an amazing man. His work has led me to believe now more in Qur'an that's protected by GOD
Olivet Timing Revealed by Luke’s Gospel:
Compare Luke's Gospel to that of Matthew if you want to understand the timing.
The disciples asked two different questions.
When will the temple be destroyed? What will be the sign of your Second Coming?
Jesus Foretells Destruction of the Temple (These subtitles are found in e-Sword.)
Luk 21:5 Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said,
Luk 21:6 "These things which you see-the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down."
(Mat 24:2 And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down." )
Luk 21:7 So they asked Him, saying, "Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?"
(Mat 24:3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?")
( Mar 13:3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked Him privately,
Mar 13:4 "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?")
Luk 21:8 And He said: "Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He,' and, 'The time has drawn near.' Therefore do not go after them.
(Mat 24:5 For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. )
Luk 21:9 But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified; for these things must come to pass first, but the end will not come immediately."
(Mat 24:6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.)
Jesus Foretells Wars and Persecution
Luk 21:10 Then He said to them, "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
(Mat 24:7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. )
Luk 21:11 And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven.
(Mat 24:7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. )
Luk 21:12 But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name's sake.
(Mat 24:9 "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.) (Read Acts 22:19-20, where Paul reveals that he fulfilled this text.)
Luk 21:13 But it will turn out for you as an occasion for testimony.
Luk 21:14 Therefore settle it in your hearts not to meditate beforehand on what you will answer;
Luk 21:15 for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist.
Luk 21:16 You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death.
Luk 21:17 And you will be hated by all for My name's sake.
(Mat 24:10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. )
Luk 21:18 But not a hair of your head shall be lost.
Luk 21:19 By your patience possess your souls.
(Mat 24:13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.)
Jesus Foretells Destruction of Jerusalem
Luk 21:20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.
(Mat 24:15 "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),
(Look at the reference to Hanukkah in John 10:22, if you want to know what the Jews of Jesus time understood about Antiochus Ephiphanes attacking the city during 167 BC, when his forces killed thousands of Jews, and stopped the sacrifices. Those two things also happened during 70AD.)
Luk 21:21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.
(Mat 24:16 "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.)
Luk 21:22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luk 21:23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. (See also Luke 23:28-31.)
(Mat 24:19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! )
Luk 21:24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
(Almost all Bible scholars agree that the first part of the verse above is about 70 AD. At the end of the verse we find a period of time known as “the times of the Gentiles”. In the verses that follow we find the future Second Coming of Christ. Paul also referred to this time period in Romans 11:25, and Acts 28:28.)
The Coming of the Son of Man
Luk 21:25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;
(Mat 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.)
Luk 21:26 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Luk 21:27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
(Mat 24:30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.)
Luk 21:28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."
(Mat 24:33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near-at the doors!)
From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7
"6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time].
7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards therein. He also fortified the city Bethsura, that it might serve as a citadel against any distresses that might come from our enemies. "
Josephus confirms above the understanding of the Jews of his time, who knew that Daniel had predicted the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes.
Josephus confirms it as a historical fact.
John 10:22 is a reference to the celebration of Hanukkah each year by the Jews of Jesus time.
The Book of Matthew was addressed mainly to a Jewish audience. Jesus was telling the Jews of His time that something similar to 167 BC would happen during 70 AD. Not only did Antiochus desecrate the temple, but he also attacked the city killing thousands of Jews and stopped the temple sacrifices. The temple sacrifices would also stop in 70 AD, due to the destruction of the temple. Based on John 10:22, the Jews were well aware of this historical fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy. Luke’s Gospel was written to more of a Gentile audience, so he spelled it out for them.
Matthew 24:15-16 and Luke 21:20-21 are clearly parallel accounts because of the common word elements in both passages. We also have the same reference to flee in the second verse in each Gospel.
@@SpotterVideo Exactly, Jesus predicted it just like it happened. Errorman hasn't a clue lol.
@@mcgragor1 And yet the elect weren’t gathered from the four corners of heaven. That was also a part of the prediction, as was the promise to the disciples that they would rule over the twelve tribes on twelve thrones.
@@ManoverSuperman Some reason my reply is not coming up so if you see another reply or two, that's why. Learn about Preterism and apocalyptic language first. ua-cam.com/video/ccxWCeGLdZQ/v-deo.html
14:15 bro, it wasn't just a distruction of Jerusalem, it was the destruction of the Temple! You know that was cataclysmic!
How does this entire discussion have anything to do with Jesus failed Apocalypse?
Here is another question: if Paul believes that planting these Churches is his mission (which he did) why would "planting" a Church make sense in a world that would soon end? The work of Paul seems to suggest that he believed that what he was doing would last beyond his own death. In fact, he says just that. How is this consistent with the idea of a failed Apocalyptic preacher? This all stems from the misplaced work of Albert Schweitzer.
Because paul knew that he was working for Rome to bring the Roman way of thinking into a new worldview. Rome has always been a master of infiltration and falsification. Proof: all of the secret societies that started under Rome.
Paul in the bible is only endorsed by his own scriptures. Which would make it invalid. Jesus even warns for this: If I would testify of myself my testimony would be invalid. Judaic culture has been done away with in christianity. even if jesus would be the messiah which i believe he was, Rome tried to kill Jesus at birth and at the cross, which shouldnt have happened to fulfill the judaic messianic expectation.
In Ephesians 5 and 1 Peter 4, both Paul and Peter said that God's wrath/judgment was coming upon all pagans who lived in sin.
Paul preached repentance to all people in Acts 17 - to pagans whose idol-worship God had ignored in the past but was then commanding people to repent because Christ rose from the dead.
Paul and Peter expected the day of judgment that would end the world and judge all humanity.
That is why Peter said that God was patient not wanting anyone to perish until the heaven and earth was destroyed. There was no more "perishing" in the new heaven and earth.
@You Say No, I'm not worshipping any idols by putting an image on my youtube profile.
If I go and bow down before a picture or idol...then yeah sure its idol worshipping
If Jesus ain’t real, how come Vampires are afraid of crosses? boom! Yo, jus proved jebus!
I know you're joking, but some of the best proof of Jesus is in acting out his love in public.
People who have been corrupted by demonic spirits absolutely cannot stand it, and will lead to some very bizarre interactions.
@@adifferentangle7064 That's no proof at all. Just you're imagination relating two separate things. "demonic spirits"? lol mate its not 1597
@@MrAuskiwi101 Case in point #1
@@adifferentangle7064 That's only in your 1597 imagination. First you need to understand that your imagination is not everyones reality. Its only delusional people that think that. You're not delusional are you?
@@adifferentangle7064
“The best proof of Jesus is in acting out his love in public”
Do mean the mass slaughter of children and babies?
No wonder you get some odd reactions.
the Reason it's 70 AD is Because to them... Heaven(the temple ) and earth (their realm of control) Fell!!!
I guess we can all be a little OCD over the cult we used to belong to, but it isn't very interesting to people who weren't in the same cult. Rename the vid, Private Therapy with Bart Ehrman. I love how Dr. Ehrman is so gracious to lend his expertise to any question.
Very, very good point. It seems like "the dark side of the Force" has been completely purged. Therapy is good !! Theramin Trees' channel is excellent in this regard.
I see such an obvious connection between salesmen manipulations creatint a "sense of urgency" and people who talk about the end of the world.
@MythVision Podcast: Do you know about Open Theism? Maybe ask Will Duffy to present it or "realityisnotoptional" on UA-cam. Open theism is the view that the future is open. Both would explain why Jesus said some things and it did not happen as said, using Biblical principles about how prophecies work and how the future is open and not settled. This would solve probably most of the "problems" you guys currently seem to have.
That sounds like a new age apologetic.
@@AAwildeone Open Theism is currently accepted as one of the 4 orthodox views of God's omniscience in relation to time. Just take a look at "Will duffy debate" on UA-cam and watch one of his opening statements to see how he uses the Bible to justify his claims, he presents it way better than me in my previous comment hehe ^^
As Richard carrier has pointed out Paul makes it clear those who are not under the law still sin because everyone who sins dies and sinse everyone dies everyone sins unless you enter an agreement with God.
Re Matt 24, people fail to understand what the prophesied kingdom of heaven is. It's not a sudden transformation of the world but an awakening that Christ said would take place during the apostles's lifetime. People see that evil is still around and think what Christ prophesied did not happen. It first takes place in a personal way and as the swamp is drained, eventually the earthplane will be purified and then something will happen on a global scale, but we are not there yet.
Really? That's probably the reason why Paul told the Corinthians not to get married. Because that would prevent them to achieve the "awakening". 🤣🤣🤣 This is the sort of of feedback one gets from a mind polluted with theology. Just read the text for what it is : 1st century literature that reflects the levels of literary of the ancient times and the lack of understanding of the world that came post scientific revolution and enlightenment.
Does Ehrman explain what an apocalypse is in this vid? Appreciate anyone who responds.
Paul said Jesus would return before the end of his lifetime soooooo ,either Jesus or Paul were a false prophet .
that bug me out
how can this be?
Only they have failed to understand the spiritual nature of the kingdom of God and Christ return in AD 70 and its implications . Preterism stands the test .
Does anyone know what book Dr. Ehrman is mentioning at 12:20
Have you thought about putting channel on podcast sites other than UA-cam? It would be great to listen to on long drives.
Constantine was like one of those smart jocks: an utter blockhead but quick on the uptake.
I think if you research Constantine's conversion, it was a deathbed, end of life situation. Kind of a hedging one's bets, not some heroic realization which revealed some great truth i.e. Christianity, deceptive nonsense.
John Bell - I agree on the deceptive nonsense bit; but as to Constantine’s alleged “deathbed conversion”, as my ninety-nine-year-old Sicilian barber would say, “bull$%*t@to...”. It was all made up: Constantine never did see the “In Hoc Signo Vinces”/ “Εν Τούτω(ι) Νίκα(ι)” nonsense; nor did he ever “convert” to Christianity: it was all smoke and mirrors...Constantine may have been a blockhead and utterly ruthless, but he was also an out-and-out atheist. He was more Machiavellian than Machiavelli (and this, over a full millennium before the man himself); to him, Christianity was a just handy political tool to help unite the empire and to consolidate his own hold on it-nothing more.
"There are too many words that can mean multiple things." --Bart. No shit.
While I disagree often with Ehrman, he is just as often brilliant.
The Millerites became the Seventh Day Adventist
Salvation= Kingdom of God
2Peter was written before Babylon fell so he calls Jerusalem (from where he was writing) Babylon.
Or, vice versa works just as well, 🤣
Best to remember the first rule of prophecy, "Never be too specific for they will catch you on your details."
Why? The wise look for truth and do not too easily accept every claim and be deceived by the false. That is their duty for themselves, for their loved ones and for their society. The wise say "I do not know" with out fear others would try to drive them to accept poor conclusions by threats of exclusion, even though that shunning happens. Be brave, be wise and refuse to fear the poorly threatened darkness.
The 2nd coming was “at hand” in the first century, but depended on Jewish national repentance (Matt. 23:39; Acts 3: 19-21). The nation had 40 years to repent. When they refused, the city was destroyed in A.D. 70 and the second coming postponed.
Crap
40 years to repent or else a 2,000 year and counting postponement.
That's pretty harsh.
why say "postponed" and not "cancelled"?
This is such a cope.
New Jerusalem, the Church, is explained in the Hebrews:
_"For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest . . . But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel." -- Heb __12:18__, 22-24 KJV_
Notice the present tense.
Dan
neither the day nor the hour...only the Father knows.
Why throw the Christian baby out with the Full Preterism bathwater?
Fascinating discussion! Here's other points to consider that may help with the believability of the end being nigh in that generation. During Jesus' ministry He raised several people from the dead - Lazarus and Jairus's daughter etc. These who were raised from the dead, presumably could not die a second time since "it's
appointed unto men (only) once to die and after death the judgement" Heb. 9:27. Also in Matt. 27:51-53, many Saints were ressurected and came out from their graves - presumably these could not die again either. So to explain what happened to all these Saints, it makes sense to assume they were translated in the same generation that they were brought back to life. If not, then they are still on Earth walking around today, unless they died a second time - which is not in accord with the Hebrews passage. No one has ever been able to explain to me what happened to them. The best assumption would be they were raptured at the 2nd coming of Jesus, in their generation, and probably at the destruction of the Temple and at the end of that world in about AD 70. Please give your opinion on what happened to them and when?
If there were such figures, could they read and write? If you were such a person, wouldn't you want your amazing story to be known to everybody for all time? You see, when you literalize a story, you only resurrect more and more questions for yourself, which may or may not be a good thing. Maybe they did write down their stories on a bad batch of papyrus, I don't know. Except, that's not quite good enough...Cheers!
All of these people were brought back into their old bodies and healed. They haven't received their new bodies yet, so they would live normally and die normally, from the point they were resurrected.
@@adifferentangle7064 Yikes! Talk about making a mole-hill out of a mountain! Good try...
@@AAwildeone Its literally the word of Christ.
If you don't believe it, or haven't studied the Bible, your opinion is irrelevant.
@@adifferentangle7064 ..thanks, for giving your opinion. But how do you know they were brought back into their old bodies? Most bodies start decaying almost immediately! Some of these Saints could have died centuries before their resurrection, and their 'old bodies' could have already returned to the dust of the earth. Jesus had a new glorified body when He was resurrected, so why couldn't they have theirs also? Jesus is the firstfruits of those who slept, so my guess is they had the same new body type that He had - post resurrection. And if so, then I would expect they left with Him when He left here in Acts 1:9.
21:20 Sorta aligns with Lena Einhorn’s hypothesis. We hope you asked Bart about possibly talking with her.
Yes, but one can easily see how many people would react excessively to the destruction of the Temple in AD 70. The Holy of Holies was the place where God resided. When Bart says the destruction of Jerusalem -- and the Temple complex -- was not a cataclysmic event, he is technically correct. But there were groups who would have regarded it as such. Just imagine how Muslims would react to the destruction of Mecca. I suppose many of them would die outright just from shock.
The Jews/God had another temple. He just went back to the temple of on for 3 years, then again, academics are paid to say there was only one temple. Google the temple of on/onias
Is the doctor Staples you're referring to Jason A. Staples ?
Looking up every usage of a word thru history probably isn’t the best way, even with a somewhat continuous philosophy such as [Proto-to-1st century CE Judaism]. Meanings of words change over time, philosophy, and geography.
I am not an expert linguist, but I would focus on 1st C CE usage and the biblical passages that most influenced the author (2 Isaiah? Ch 40-66?)
No man knows what day the Lord is going to come, not even the Son of man, but a day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as a day in eternity. But the bible tells us to watch and pray, that the day does not catch us unawares.
It’s the end of the old covenant, not cosmos. They had no thought that the whole world was going to be destroyed completely. Why would God elect Adam as the first priest in Genesis to then destroy everything. The problem is that you can control people with an end of the cosmos narrative. We turned it into that. The writers did not.
The signs given by Jesus are absolutely world-ending: sun darkened, moon dimmed, stars falling, the Son of Man coming in the clouds with angels gathering faithful people from all the Earth... "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." etc. Jesus was referring to Daniel 7 and the everlasting kingdom of God and the rule over all the Earth by his people:
In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
@@mavrospanayiotis yes exactly. Meaning it already happened. That generation saw those things take place around AD 70.
@@Entropy423 well, actually not all. The prophecy about turmoils and Temple destruction happened, but that was relatively easy to predict: it was already happened and seen the importance of the Temple and the national identity of Hebrews only an armed intervention and a radical humiliation could have been effective. The world-shattering part is missing and it's within the terms of the prophecy. No Son of Man coming on the clouds, no angels gathering the people of God, no endless rule etc.
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1. It already did happen because that’s all in spiritual context of the scripture.
2. The Romans didn’t know America existed or how big the earth even was.
3. Angels had to have gathered the people of God because Christian’s got out and spread the gospel.
4. Jesus’ kingdom is endlessly ruling right now. He also said His kingdom is not of this world.
5. Matthew 16:27-28 also says Jesus will come in the glory of His Father. We can see the Lord coming on the clouds in judgement** in the Old Testament. Does this mean he came in physically on a cloud? No.
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1/5. No point to support that is a spiritual reality more than a material one, Jesus declared that people still alive will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds, doesn't seem a metaphor but a literal sense, a phisical sign like wars, earthquakes, Temple demolitio , stars falling etc.
2/3. Paul himself declared at some point that the gospel has been preached to all humanity, echoing Jesus prophecy: "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come". It's still something that Jesus predicts would be happening within the generation frame, a thing wich failed.
4. Jesus kingdom came but nobody noticed, no celestial Jerusalem came down, no particular blessings came to the believers. The followers themselves were still waiting for the coming after years, although it was clearly stated that the timeframe was a generation.
In general i agree with you that the terms of the prophecy are passed, but also that Jesus prophecy failed in many points: no stars falling, no sun blackening, no general revolution of the world and punishment of the wicked etc. Not that God wasn't ruler before, within the cultural view of the Bible God's power is absolute, he rules always and everything happens accordingly to his will; what we miss is the actual rectification of sin and humanity promised by the coming of the Kingdom OUTSIDE of simple human soul. The Kingdom was already spiritually real WITHIN before the death of Jesus, the Kingdom is between/among you. What Jesus promises for the End happening within the generation is his role as ruler of all the Earth and Nations under divine law for ever. It's a cosmic event and Jesus wants hid followers to be ready for the general judgement of humanity with the second coming. If all of this would really have happened, every evil act happening after the judgement would be actually good for God, since it's allowed under his direct rule on the material world.
Paul was endorsed by paul, Jesus himself said that his testimony is worth nothing if he would testify of himself.