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Phanteks Defeated Noctua? T30 Review
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Finally a worthy challenger. Let's test the Phanteks T30 against the legendary Noctua NF-A12x25.
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Noise vs Temperature should be the only way to test a fan...
this guy knows what hes talking about
This is true, but RPM control provide limitations. If Fan X cant spin more than 1000 RPM - yes its quiet but not performing, and vise versa - if fan have bad PWM scaling - its can be to loud at low PWM values or voltages if its not a 4 pin fan.
only if you have acoustically and thermally tightly controlled space, as well as test at various loads, and many times to catch variance.
Since this blade design is primarily designed for high air pressure scenarios I'd have also liked to see how the two perform as airflow intake fans on a mid tower case.
They will be really good for it, there are al ready videos out about this topic. Jay two cents has a video about this topic, most likely also gamersnexus.
This isn't the channel for that kind of content, but the Phanteks fan being 20% thicker is naturally going to allow it to move more air. I would have loved to see performance on a low-profile CPU cooler.
Bit wit (Kyle) also did a video on this they are awesome fans. Wish they had rgb
I run 2x A12 as intake and 1x as exhaust. Case CM Silencio 452 (very air restricted) cpu cooler Noctua NH-L12. Cpu Ryzen 5 5600x. Stress test 69c at 1600 rpm. I run them at 1250 rpm almost inaudible.
Gamer's Nexus will probably do a video on it.
Here's what it sounds like:
*deafening silence*
I'm on mobile and this is true
I'm on Samsung Smart Fridge and can confirm
I'm on 2012 Toyota Corolla and can confirm
I'm on nokia 2100 and can confirm
We could use someone with airpods
Ooh, finally a worthy first fight to be decided on GNs new fan testing equipment!
@@yanuehara8017 I thought it was other way around
@@yanuehara8017 Not realy sure if you can call it a ripoff. gotta remember the RnD of noctua getting that liquid crystal polymer to work for narrowing down that gap from the blades to the frame from 2mm to 0.5 mm. that is a major design difference. also it is quite common in engineering to adapt other solutions and improve them to make them your own.
In fact you get trained at the university to just do that. there is no reason the reinvent the wheel all over again everytime.
@@yanuehara8017 i never did judge thermaltake. You are the one calling them Thermal fake all over again.
About Noctua and Nidec: there was no Lawsuit in any kind. that can mean two things. It was simply ok to do so because of the design differences or there was licensening involed. Also, just because noctua's fans did mostly performed the same in the end ( wich im not sure of, did not check) does have nothing to do if it is a ripoff or not. the design differences do. go and ask a lawyer. every company will defend thier patents and intellectual property if they can and if needed.
If there was no such thing it probably means that it was just fine.
Igor over at igors lab has done a very thorough review of these including different density rads and such.
@@yanuehara8017 then have fun reinventing all for everything from ground up again. Thats not what engineering is ment for. Thats not how our world works and develops.
Once Phanteks starts making their fans in a brown color variant, I’ll start buying!
yeah this black is a real pain. we want brown fans! when will the manufacturers finally realize this?
@@petermeier2064 😂😂😂
everybody knows that brownish fans are the coolest
Do you want some woodgrain with that, boomer?
@@z3roo0, why yes, yes I would.
Optimums videos makes everybody's day
Or night. Considering it's evening here in straya.
EXACTLY the fan comparison that I was looking for. Thank you! ❤ It's the same with room/window fans: The thicker ones have a deeper blade pitch, so they are quieter and move more air at a given RPM.
These look awesome! Always glad to see competition in this space. Now if Phanteks could make a 140mm variant of these, I'd be a very happy camper.
Every video you do it awesome. No 'shocked face' clickbait thumbnails and titles, just clean video, good data and no filler content. Awesome stuff
Finally !
Was waiting for your review of the T30 since the day they launched.
Could you please give more details about bearing noise?
When comparing the P12 to the NFA12x25, you demonstrated that the P12 whines when RPM is around 1000, while the NF-A12x25 is consistently quiet.
Could you please do the same for this fan, and compare their noise output at lower RPMs (350, 500, 800) ?
Thanks for the dedication, your in-depth noise analysis is best in class.
Cheers !
Yay! Happy to see you review these. I bought two as intakes for my NR200P and it dropped my GPU thermals by a few degrees and made the system overall more quiet. I'd love to use them as exhaust too, but the extra 5mm makes it not compatible with the brackets for the top of the NR200P unfortunately.
Side or bottom intakes?
@@FNorberto92 bottom, I run the TG panel.
How many slots is your GPU? I heard that for a 2.5 slot gpu, only slim fans work
@@kyleboonwaat 2 slot, it's the 3080FE. Barely clears the fans lol
@Carter Miller what do you mean by it won’t fit up top on the nr200
Yes! Been waiting for this review!
Really like your high quality videos, keep up the good work!
A factor to consider is the T30 is a 3-phase/6-pole motor design, rather than a 4-pole. In my experience with other 6-pole units (Noctua Industrial, BeQuiet SilentWings 3), they tend to make a strange resonating sound at all RPM ranges; it sounds like they're going "ooouuuggghhh". Some people don't notice it, some don't mind it, but it drives me bonkers
I noticed probably this in the vids about this fan too. Now I cannot unhear it. Damn.
So this means NF-A12X25 PWM wins for you ?
@@bralis2 Yes, @Hovant means that the T30 also carries the "ooouuuuggghhh" design effect ;-)
I literally just cancelled my order because of this.
@@dotms5195 WAIT so should I get the Noctua or does that also have the OOOOUUUUUGGGGHHHH - I am shopping for QUIET
Nice! I've actually been looking to your thoughts on these fans.
Great review. I would just want to mention that in most cases, Noctua might not be the quieter fans, but it is the best "noise" for my ear. Don't know how to describe it, but it doesn't sound annoying even above 40db, while most of the other fans even at ~36db are starting to irritate me. That is why I always use Noctua. Hope that makes sense
they understand harmonics and how to control them very well. the phanteks in this video sound uncontrolled.
In addition to these 5mm more, which is enormous in a case, the noctua nf-a12x25 are indeed the best in terms of noise! For normal people, it doesn't bother them, it does for me! People didn't see any difference, saying my corsair fans on an h150i were "quiet" or normal... the racket it made and even at 30% it was crazy audible. The Noctua do not flinch, even at 1200rpm, and no so-called "harmonic" vibration. Even normal noctuas made "harmonic" at 30% on the NH-D15, it was very disturbing! Looking forward to the NF-A14x25 ^^
I have to disagree the part of "even if we were noise normalized that...." . Since dbA is a logarithmic unit the difference is way bigger than it looks. Using your graph data, Noctua is doing 71.1C = 344.25K at 41.1dbA = 0.002270022 Pa of sound pressure. T30 is doing 68.3C = 341.45K at 41.5dbA = 0.002377004 Pa of sound pressure. Doing a convertion to sound pressure so we are now free of logarithmic units for direct comparison, now, (344.25-341.45) / 341.45 = 0.8% , and (0.002377004 - 0.002270022)/ 0.002270022 = 4%. That means T30 is having a 0.8% temperature advantage while increasing 4% of sound pressure(noise). So if you really do noise normalized calculations, T30's temperature result have to be scaled 4% higher = 355.108K which is way higher than Noctua's results.
Lol
All that yap to say nothing at all.
Based
lul
@@Dubulcleyou didn’t even read it, and if you did, you didn’t comprehend it. He clearly says that the A12x25 is still better when noise normalized.
woah it’s like you read my mind, was up late with thermal issues last night and looked up some fans too. clutch as always
Ordered 6 of these from PCCG a few weeks back. Can't wait to get them. My rig doesn't run hot but it could always be quieter.
Another benefit of the 30mm thick fan is certain deshrouding applications. In cases like the Ncase and NR200 there is still a gap on certain GPUs when deshrouding, the extra 5mm could work to your advantage.
Nice yeah.. looks about right.
u can also fill the gaps with the noctua gap inserts afterwards
As always, nice review. Thanks!
As a mech engineer, tech enthusiast, and filmmaking lover, this video checks all my boxes! hahah 🤘⚡
Great informative video, thanks guy :) I have ordered these to help cool my mining rig in the summer uk
finally some competition. always good for the customer
If you prefer quality, don't get Thermalfake.
@Mario Kart also dont forget that the price difference adds up the more fans you buy
Also the xpg vento pro exists,which go for 20$
@Mario Kart who told you they are better than the xpg?
Literally all 3(noctua,tt and xpg) are all based on the same design,which is the gentle typhoon,their performance will be in the same threshold
Noctua did NOT engineer their fan groom scratch and all the fans will perform within margin of error
Before calling it thermalfake remember they are not the only company to base their fan off the gentle typhoon,even noctua did the same thing.Nobody is copying noctua here lmao
@Mario Kart the phanteks ,noctua, thermal take,xpg and even ek vardar are all based in the same original fan and also perform very similarly and within Margin of error.Period
Buy whichever one you think looks better
Don't buy corsair or nzxt though, those are crap for their price, except the highest end corsair ones
@Mario Kart you also have be quiet and eloop noise blocker fans which are not based on the gentle typhoon,peform great,are silent and are cheaper than the noctua's
I just did my case with T30 Phanteks. They are phenomenal at moving air. I have them at 2000rpm and they move a lot of air through my system. Internal temps dropped 25 degrees from what they were. They get a little loud if you start to climb the RPM ladder but I definitely recommend them highly. They are built very solid. They are slightly thicker though so be careful if you are doing compact form factor builds, you may run into fitting issues
still using them mate? any negatives or dislikes about them?
nice comparison, great graphs so clean explanation.
Great video! Wow 3 - 5º better thermals than a Noctua! Well done, Phanteks! Great to have this kind of competition in top fan options.
did you watch the whole video? the Phantek is thicker at 30mm vs Noctua 25mm (industry standard) so this is not surprising. but sure competitions are good.
@@katt2002 Phanteks are just superior though at a cheaper price for most people. Unless you go ITX, T30's are just a better, cheaper, nicer looking buy.
@@brianlam5847 Can't convince Noctua fanboys. For them the poop fans are the best.
@@Chopper153 but they look nice 🥺
hands down the best fans I've ever owned, well worth the price. massive airflow and quiet too!
Legend thanks man. I have a T1 and will pick these up. Hi from a fellow Aussie
4:16 and that’s why almost all tests out there are flawed, not comparing loudness under air-moved. For any temperature-control essentially would equalize the latter, lowering the Phantek’s RPM.
What also would be interesting is a temperature normalized noise test.
Configure the fan controller to target a specific coolant temperature and then compare the noise level also with noise samples.
the camera and the lighting are insanely good. woow!
They seem quite expensive at the moment, at least here in UK. Here's hoping the prices drop a little in the next few months. And hopefully Phanteks releases 140MM version as well, I would love to use those fans for my next case and several of mid towers started creating space for this size of fans.
Keep up the good work ali
can you subtitle the fan speeds in the "heres how they sound" demonstration parts of the video plz
And add countdown or progress bar to warn end
Agreed
Very interested to see how they perform in pull configuration on a radiator, considering using them on my 240mm rad on my NCASE…
Hey Ali, have you seen the upcoming Geeek M5? Looks to be a mainstream T1 alternative
Cheers mate, just pre-ordered mine.
Hi Optimum Tech, big fan here. These look sso nice, I can't bear to not try one of these out! I really want to take them for a spin.
Great vid ordering now
One thing that I would be really interested in knowing is the sweep angle, turning angle, pitch to cord ratio.
What I'm getting from this is comparable performance to the NF12s at lower RPMs. These days I'm more about keeping it as silent as possible.
But the extra thickness could be an issue. Most mid towers I've built in won't accept anything thicker than 25 mm as a rear exhaust fan due to the frame being bent to add support.
100% bet if Notcua made a 30mm version the NF-A12 it would stomp right back
Top quality video as allways.I m planing to get a Scythe Big Shuriken 3 RGB for my 5600x. Should it be enough? Should i switch its fan for this phanteks one?Thx in advance
Phanteks needs to make a 140mm version of this!!! Please? 😎
agreed
I would love to see a test of the ID Cooling IS-60 (non EVO) with this 30mm fan, as it might become the new 70mm cooling champ. With a Noctua a12x25 fan, the IS-60 isn't too far off from the Noctua L12s stock.
I built my new PC just yesterday with 6 of those. Was already wondering when you’ll drop a video on them
Never waited so much for a review
i was waiting for thissss
Very interesting. Wonder if the new A12x25 Chromax will have any performance boost. If not... might have to go for these instead.
I've been waiting for this
I would love to see the performance difference in your Ncase M1 build, specifically where there is enough room but possibly less space for air path. I have a NR200 custom loop and would consider the T30 for my side mounted rad but would like to know
Really excited for your review on the ASUS ROG Strix 27" XG27AQM!
The only channel i trust with fan reviews.
Video idea: 30mm fans with Alphacool 25mm Rads vs 25mm fans with 30mm Rads?
Awesome videos !!! Can you guys make a review of the ARCTIC P12 PWM PST RGB ?
I'm not surprised. They're quite similar, but the T30 is 5mm thicker. If they were the same thickness, I imagine the Noctua would perform similarly. Still, nice to have options... especially since it's not taupe. I know Noctua has been working on Cromax versions of the NF-A12x25... but it looks like they took people off that to mount a couple to an Asus 3070 instead. Next time I do a build with some 120mm fans, I'll be grabbing some of these T30's to go in it.
Thought it was my screen flickering when you showed the benchmarks, lol.
Here's to hoping for a 140mm version
noctua has a 'next gen' 140mm on their roadmap for q1 2022. Many believe this will be the 140mm version of the NF12x25
I like how during the sound comparison, all I can hear are my own OEM case fans
$85 for 3 on backorder at Newegg, I wish good fans were slightly more affordable. That's why I usually run the Arctics on some fans
it would be pretty interesting to see a video where you test the best 140mm fans on the market! Since you know, the larger fan the better. Also I don't think noctua has an NF-A12 equivalent yet on the market, they are releasing new 140mm fans soon that they have apparently devoted 8 years of engineering into. My bets on the best 140mm fans are arctic p14, thermaltake toughfan 14, maybe also throw in the be quiet! silent sings pro 4 as well, and the new upcoming noctua fan ofc.
Please I'm dying for a video like this from a reputable tech youtuber like yourself for a long time, there's a real scarcity of 140mm fan reviews on youtube rn
Great video, your knowledge is usable and help me to choose right.
Please swap the fans on the radiator on the nr200p max water cooling with the t30 and show us the results!
Forget it, the T30 does not exist in 140mm.
In any case, it will be interesting if you look at changes in the liquid cooling system in the nr200p max case because the air output in the case goes out through the radiator which causes the temperature in the processor to rise.
@@dorshalom8977 you don’t need 140 for radiator ! You need 120 !
@@dorshalom8977 they would probably make that 40mm thicker lol
@@humilicious it will fit 😆
Will there be an issue with radiator mounting screws with these fans? Especially the long ones.
Props to Phanteks for the Fan. Me, as a fan :) of their work, with their case currently, can definitely say they are very good company.
The problem here is that the T30 ... ain't really cheap, kinda same as Noctua's. Not to say that it doesn't deliver, but overall, I will continue to advise buying Arctic P12 fans, until either Noctua or Phanteks can make a competition at the price/performance.
1. You can't compare RPM vs dBA. You need to compare cfm.
2. You can't compare raw dBA. You need to compare the apparent loudness across the spectrum (what you actually hear, which is a major reason larger fans are quieter -- the pitch). You'll notice the Phanteks are lower in pitch, which is significant.
Thicker = Better.
Now we just need someone to make a worthy replacement for the 120x55mm Feser Triebwerk fans.
Those things were nuts.
Extremely rare now too.
Haha like your M..
Forget it
I'd like to see how well these hold up over time, I heard a lot of complaints about the arctic p12 fans because they end up developing a whining noise after a decent amount of usage.
Also I was wondering what sort of warranty we could expect on these?
For the NF-A12x25 according to Noctua: "NF-A12x25 features an MTTF of more than 150,000 hours rating and comes with a full 6-year manufacturer's warranty"
The NF-A12x25 now comes in black btw. Noctua added the A12 to the Chromax Series today.
NIce review Ali, Wow Noctua got rival afterall
Temperature normalized test (noise and speeds) would be great in this case.
Cool these are my next fans. Thanks.
Nothing will ever beat Noctua's sexy brown color scheme. Ever!
Man, the look of the fan is perfect actually really suitable for the rtx 30th generation funders editions, it's the alien design 😳👍the xenomorph
I think we need a lifespan test. I have some Noctua fans that are still good after around 10 years in a PC chassis used daily. But I am tempted by the greater efficiency of the deeper blades. That extra 5mm depth could easily be adding between 5 and 10mm to the width of each blade.
Sounds good, I'll start the test now and have your results 10 years from now.
@@TangoOne And I will do a test after 20 years, so that he knows what it sounds in his 2043 computer case.
Indeed. It is hard to like things that are different. But like you said time is the best conditioning cream.
I purchased 3 of these and put them on my Arctic Freezer 2 aio, they are so good, my 5950x is running nice and cool
It would be awesome if you made a video showcasing argus monitor-- arguably the best free fan control software out there.
I spray painted 2 T30s white and replaced the fans that came w/ the NZXT Z53 and put it in my White Meshilicious. I love it.
I love my NF-A12x25's own three of them, but they definitely have a pitch issue above 1500 rpm which vastly negates the noise performance reviewers claim they have.
Whistling?
Thank you very much for posting. Great information. I'll stick w/ great (Noctua), I don't need the next best thing. Great is fine w/ me.
Perfect Review
I really like the brown-on-brown aesthetic of Noctua, and the material quality feels a better than competition.
You are a... unique individual
@@d15p4tch6 some people like having poo smeared all over their computer
@@d15p4tch6 sounds like some form of Stockholm syndrome to me.
I started to think i was the only one. I have the U12S, and two 140's as intake, and i love my brown Noctuas!
@@sebastienban6074 everyone's got their kinks I guess haha
But what would be the difference if we had a 40mm thick fan? Would
Be very useful in builds where you dont quite have clearance for push-pull with 25mm fans.
I would have really liked to have seen a noise vs temperature plot. But I know that takes a lot longer to run.
Are you going to review the Lian Li Q58? It would be great to hear your opinion on it.
It's good as a ATX case fan. Some tower coolers and smaller cases would have trouble tho
top mounted rads on many atx cases might have problem with those.
Something that I think wasn't mentioned is the t30 has a much higher rpm range, so if u don't care about noise sometimes you can turn them up high.
Do these fit at the top as exhaust for the Formd T1 ? With the top closed ?
I liked the video. However, would have wanted to hear price comparison as well mas what kind of bearing they had i.e ball bearing, hydro, magnetic.
I agree with the ables been shorter as well.
The little switch however, in my opinion is in the worst place. You won't be able to reach it depending on how you mount the fans (people will need to keep that in mind). I think it would have been better if it was on the side of the fan.
Good video overall thanks mate.
An easy search lists Phankteks as a VAPO BEARING (Magnetic).
Does anyone know if the Phanteks fan still uses the fan curve set in BIOS? Because you have to set the switch ( 1:36 ) to a specific RPM
Where did you bought the PSU Case Extansion cable? The one connecting the case and the psu.
Like you pointed out, at equal speed the Noctua is quieter, but the Phanteks is cooler. This is because at the same RPM the Phanteks moves more air. Another review I saw used Noctua's NH-U12S and the Phanteks had the same cooling capacity at 1100rpm that the Noctua had at 1400.
This means Phanteks could be run slower to achieve the same effect. And running them slower means more silent.
@@bralis2 Not necessarily if people like me easily hear "harmonic" sounds. However, it drives me crazy to compare a fan that is 5mm longer than the others, it must largely play on that to gain performance.
Hey optimum tech there's something that I was thinking when building my PC. How do you replace the CMOS battery from a ITX board. Nobody has a clear answer on the internet. It would be nice if you talk about this. I have a B550 Aorus Pro ITX Board
I own both an Ncase M1 and a Velka 3. And in the Ncase you could easy fit this on thr radiator. On the Velka you couldn’t fit a 25 mm anyways - so this fan seems to have a ton of usage where applicable. Low hanging fruit to beat the market with a 30 mm fan, have to give it to Phanteks
If they ever make something to beat the A12x15 Chromax, then color me impressed. A godsend if you happen to put an aio in the FormD.
Interesting result
Interestingly I found the noctuas to have a louder vibration/motor noise than the be quiets I ended up going for.
Bro please post the temperatures , if we go full tilt on the fans
How are the noise normalised results like? I realise 1 or 2 dba of difference probably wont result in a 3 degree difference though. The Noctua perceptibly sound quieter in your samples though.
I'd have similar concerns to the Thermaltake Noctua clones though - will the Plastic creep over time given the tolerances are so tight? There are plenty of reviews/reddit threads of people complaining that the thermaltake fans eventually start rubbing against the frame after a while.
Hopefully Phanteks releases a 140mm version of the T30, or noctua does a 140mm version of the NFA12x25 - I love my P14s but being limited to such a narrow band of RPMs is really annoying given the resonance/hum. They also have way more motor noise than the NF-A12x25.
In my use cases - in an itx sandwich cases with a CLC, the T30s wouldn't fit.... so there's that - but i guess SFF is a niche.