To the software developer, remember to do real world testing, and make the screen dim automatically when the headlights are turned on so it doesn't blind the driver
Great suggestion. I find when I am driving anywhere there aren't any external lights (e.g., outside of a city or town), I turn my dash lights almost completely off. I find it makes such a big difference in my visibility when I don't have a bunch of unnecessary bright lights shining in my face that is reducing the sensitivity of my vision.
Some safety protocol calls for headlights on at all times when truck is moving. If they dim dash you wont be able to see it in daylight, just like the error they made on the pt cruiser dash lights.
I like the graphics that are being developed for the displays. One suggestion that I have is to look into implementing ISA 101. ISA 101 basically uses greyscale for everything, and then adds color when warnings / faults are present. The idea is that the sudden change in color will draw the operators eye to the screen. Shoot me a message if you'd like to see a demo of what I'm talking about (I'm an engineer for a very large automation company)
That would be a great option, but it should not be the *only* kind of display of information i think, cause it looks as appealing and is not necessary for someone who at the core just drives a truck. If that would be a big machine *that needs to be monitored 24/7* i would say that something lile ISA 101 is necessary.
This is a great idea! Kind of like what Airbus (and now Boeing with the 787) do with the “Dark flight deck” concept. Lights are off (well, dim) when they’re working right, and turn on when they need attention.
This interview is the best advertisement for a partner/vendor I have ever seen. If I was doing an rfp and found a video like this it’d be a huge positive in the decision. Thank you!
@waltergill8196 that's a weird thing to say seeing as how Edison has always been up front about where they are at in the production. They aren't making unfounded or untested claims, like yourself.
This was JUST nerdy enough to really go over well Theron. Absolutely 100% worth the trip.👍 Seeing the backside of Flowdraulic was super interesting and informative. Please sort out all the 'suggestion' comments to those guys....I've learned that sometimes the dimmest bulb makes the dummest suggestion....that turns out brilliant because he is IN the trench looking up.
This trip was not a waste of time to most of us listening and learning how both of your companies work together and we see the beginnings of a new company. Thank you for the great trip! And I thought EV trucks were a no go. I drive a snow plow for a town in Western New York where we see the snow some times in great amounts. This would be interesting to see if an EV snowplow truck could work in this environment, especially with SALT!
batteries and winter are a terrible combo. hybrid is viable because the engine charges the motor, but batteries lose a ton of capacity and output in the cold. teslas actually heat the batteries in the cold so they can hold more
I expect the 'snow plow' application is going to be narrow field...where there IS great changes in altitude for regenerative operation. Flatgrounding these things isn't going to make sense, eventhough I'm sure lots if Government Entities will clog the streets with them.
The generator will also act as a heater for the batteries so temperature won’t be as much of an issue. You will get the advantage of the amazing low end torque of an electric motor, great for slow heavy starts. Also the precise traction control you can get with an electric motor means you will have less sliding in icy conditions. One of the other advantages that electric has is you can power all sorts of auxiliary devices, like a welder for in field repairs. There is a lot that electrification can bring to a snow plow.
"Let's watch the axles spin" was the teaser for a much more in depth great video. Chase wanted 1 battery bank operation. I'm surprised that wasn't communicated well to them.
I usually prefer analog gauges, but I absolutely love the way those displays are done, and the diagnostic screens are ingenious. Have a simplified overall schematic illuminated so you know what you're looking at as soon as you start. Having one screen for engine/generator and one for chassis is a great idea also. Well done, all of you!
You need both, different tools for different jobs. You can't do stuff like energy flow and historical metrics with gauges. While gauges are far superior for vital live metrics. The way Edison with old-school dash infront of the steering wheel and screens on the roof is perfect.
I can't wait to see FloDraulic and Edison Motors together getting the axles turning! As a lifelong "big truck" enthusiast and mechanical guy, along with me currently being an electrician by trade, this project has been so incredibly intriguing. I would love to see a video about the electrical setup, both high and low voltage! Cheers from South Florida. Originally from Innisfil, Ontario 25 years ago
Very well done interview Sir ! By no means a wasted trip. I myself can't wait to see this Edison truck show the world what it can do. I think it's incredible that a small dream is about to become reality for you. Keep up the amazing work Gentleman be safe and Bless Y'all. ✌️❤️🙏
Listening to this, I suddenly had an interesting idea: I used to drive off highway truck chassis based fire trucks for forest fire fighting... the edison motors truck would be AWESOME for that. In order to run the water while moving, our trucks had auxiliary diesel motors just for the pumping and hydraulics systems. That could be entirely replaced with an HV pump. The bottom could be heat shielded, and with the space saved by cutting out the auxiliary diesels, the water capacity could be increased. The cab gives excellent visibility, the controls could be simplified and omfg the info I could get from those LCDs.... now I'm giddily excited!
I remember 15 years ago explaining to a rural firefighter all the advantages a hybrid apparatus would have over regular diesel-mechanical. A 200kW generator gets more work done than a 200hp PTO shaft any day. Less fuel burn on the fireground, easier to maintain and swap electric accessories to match the task, can combine/share the power from multiple apparatus if needed, plus power emergency shelters and pumps during outages, etc. Get rid of all those separate engines to maintain for generators, compressors, boost/draft pumps, etc. Plus, electrics can be built inherently safe. Put an LEL meter on the truck to automatically switch it to all electric mode when an explosive atmosphere might be present, it can still operate if needed without being an ignition source - that would be mandatory for oilfield firefighters right quick.
We may not have gotten to see the E axles move but I still think the trip was worth it. There was a ton of cool BTS info that I didn't was happening. Keep up the great work.
with the screens make sure they have airbags etal so they do not get shaken to bits and stop working when in the truck if you need a replacement it is less than a 5-minute job as in pull out unplug etc
It would be good to be able to change the units separately for speed and temperature ect - here in the UK we use Celsius for temp but miles for distance and speed (for whatever reason) 😬
how we measure distance in miles, mileage in miles per gallon, then sell and measure the fuel in liters is infuriating. my JDM honda with a converted speedo gives me miles per liter, much more useful!
May I suggest that you have the units selectable for each function? An American driving through Canada may will want speed in the local Km/h, but temps in °F (what they're familiar with). Most Canadian's will want engine temps in °F and outside air temp in °C, and pressures in PSI, etc. The vocation specific functions may want totally different units again. A master switch to go all metric or all imperial doesn't reflect the real world use of mixing units.
Having worked with electronics in high vibration environments, the only thing I'd change about the electrical boxes would be to - Use fatter cable ties - The fatter ties don't dig into cable insulation. P clamps to hold bundles down so they don't wiggle, and the use of foam pads to prevent the signal cables from wiggling in the conduits. Adhesive cable tie mounts always melt away in high temperatures. If it can wiggle, it needs to be secured, and avoiding putting stress on the connectors prevents wires from breaking at the connector. I hope it goes well for you guys.
Mike Patey sells some really awesome zip ties for high vibration environments. If they're good enough for aircraft, and good enough for Mike Patey (extremely high standards) they're good enough for a work truck.
A warning popup that covers basically everything is not what i would do, i would flash red at some place where nothing of the information is blocked so the driver can see "oh theres a problem" but still see all hte information while the popup is there.
Great video. Thanks for traveling to show us this relationship with FloDraulic. Was not aware exactly how they were involved in the process. Look forward to seeing these trucks working out in the field.
Not a wasted trip at all. Behind the scenes at FloDraulics was very cool. Hold on your software developer never heard of limp home mode!!! All EV’s and ICE power plants have this mode.
🤞🏻 WHEN this all takes off, we see you guys down in Australia as well. We, in terms of terrain, usage and accessibility, are in a very similar position to you guy and we don’t really have anyone developing a hybrid or electric vehicle system that suits anything but the pavement princesses. I honestly hope you decide to go international with your company
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Regardless of the fact we didn't get to see the axles running this was a really informative video. I can't wait to see the real world testing begin. Super exciting stuff.
Have you considered a shut off switch to isolate your systems for welding,or a built in ground to drop to protect the truck when the “something snapped off, we need to weld on the truck.” events. With all these electronics it would be nice to not smoke them.
One thing that would be nice to incorporate is the ability to set some parameters to be displayed in metric and some in imperial at the same time. Us Western Canadians (i cant speak for the easterners) are accustomed to using to using a mixed bag of measurements. Its annoying on modern vehicles when i want the temperature displayed in °C but then am forced to get pressures in kpa because of it.
Canadians work in metric and imperial. There should be a setting for each individual unit. Not just imperial or standard. My guess would be old school truckers use km/h for speed and F° for temperature
If a wattage out/in meter could be added to the display would be nice, it is the equivalent of a tachometer for EVs. This helps us know how hard we are pushing the system and allows us to adjust accordingly or see potential issues in the system.
it seems that in Europe that the manufacturers sell a more base model cab/chassis and work more with the builders, but having a bare cab without a dash etc would be useful. The new approach here seems really cool.
Make sure the actual display monitors you install are significantly *larger* than that small monitor Jerome was using during his demonstation. Don't settle for just any font, or at just any point size, or any letter spacing. Make it zero strain or effort to read the display without having to strain your neck forward etc. No small matter, that interface. Legibility is crucial.
I'm skeptical of having controls that can only be operated through touchscreens. If the driver is wearing gloves, or has dirty hands, or the road is bumpy, those screens would become annoying or impossible to operate. I'm surprised given the background of all the teams behind the project that this is the route they're going with. What I'd like to see (and granted I'm just a construction contractor with little knowledge in heavy trucks or programming industry, I could be entirely off base here) is a row of clickable rotatable knobs under the screen for scrolling through and selecting options that could be mapped to different fields per screen as needed, a set of directional buttons for other navigation, and a brightness dial on each screen. Look at the control scheme on a Behringer digital audio mixer, that's the kind of thing I'm thinking of. Using physical controls like that means the driver can operate the screens while wearing work gloves (or not have to take their winter gloves off while the truck warms up) by muscle memory without looking. Regardless, I'm excited to see these trucks come to market! Looking forward to the day i see a cement truck roll up to site completely silent
Wouldn't say your trip was a waste. It was very interesting to see how the systems Intergrated and the touch screen display designs. Only suggestion I would give is, since the displays are touch screen, I would have some type of screen protector over them (tempered glass maybe?). Would hate to have a screen crack because my dash camera or hard hat fell out of its rack and bust the screen to the point it's not useable. Great Job guys keep up the good work. You've inspired me to buy an old used truck and get it ready for your conversion kit.
I truly believe that history is being made here between a company that has a dream and a company that still living the dream. Well done video and if you’re that tight with money you guys can stay at my house for free when you’re on business in Toronto.
9:00 is like the Mercedes Unimog. One Truck 1000 Applications. Here in Germany, they are mainly used by community workers. in winter as a snowplough. In the summer for mowing the hard shoulder. And many other things. All with ohne Interface
This was really cool to see and positive overall. I do think that adding buttons and an emergency locator that can run on low power if anything happens are neat ideas. Id also like to add that maybe it eould be good to add a battery level indicator by the fuel level indicator just to avoid any confusion between battery level and fuel level.
After seeing the power flow diagram, I think you will need to simplify it like the Prius does. You basically have GEN Battery Axles. You just need to show charge and discharge from each item. During power with Gen running, it's charging the battery and the battery is discharging to axles. When regen, the axles are charging the battery. When using the generator as a jake brake, the axles are charging the battery, which is charging the generator, which is discharging to the engine. So I guess you need to show jake brake in the diagram too.
Curious question, Have you considered a braking resistor grid network for the DC bus with a crowbar circuit? I know you can dump to batteries for braking but DC bus line protection circuits are usually engineered into systems like this for railroad and mining trucks. It also adds incredible braking capabilities to the truck.
He talks about it in another video, most of the time the battery can take 100% of the braking power. The exception would be going down a long grade, the battery would eventually reach full charge and can't take any more - so then they use the generator in reverse as a motor to spin the diesel engine, and activate the engine's jake brake.
Read all of the comments so far! Excellent video! Made lemonade out of being served lemons! Excellent job on the video! You're only gonna get better at recording content and editing it! Keep pushing that rope!!!
Only just came across this, so yeah a bit late to the party. When I used to play with Leopard tanks, having resetable circuit breakers came in real handy when stuff eventually starting acted up. Same kind of thing, operating in harsh environments, lots of vibration.
You’re doing a hell of a job keep it up. I’ll keep watching. I’m really interested in progress. Thanks Frank. PS Oh, that’s a hell of a job change! Feels good though.
Need some robust potentiometers attached to the suspension so you can know how much weight you are carrying or even pick up suspension issues before it causes major issues.
Flying budget is smart. early on funds need to go to the prototype, tooling, manufacturing, etc. not luxuries. Too many startups spend money on things they shouldn't early on, so this is a good sign you guys are doing the right things to maximize chances of success.
wat some people here do on budget flights that they arent alowed to take bags is buy and wear a coat with a lot of big pockets and fill those with the extra shirts socks underwear and stuff
Just a tip: Don't assume anything with HVDC including the abbilities of HRC fuses. Place barriers between each fuse or see what happens when a fuse explodes and draws a DC arc to other terminations. Clamping bolts on the bus-bars are very small.
Would be nice for those screens to be able to customize what info is available and how it’s displayed, not sure if that’s in the pipeline already but I think it would be a huge help
Just me, but I think it is critical for you to have some kind of very deep level GUI based tuning application that runs on a computer that can patch into the truck. to allow end users to tune all parameters of the drive control (within reason) for their use case. I imagine there is a lot of scope for optimising the drive control parameters, regen and discharge/charge points/curves at different temps etc, especially for use cases where the truck will be doing the same route over and over like on mines. AI optimisation tools could be amazing for this - like a self tuning mode!
Just having looked at those screens, I have a few unfortunately negative opinions. Main one is the dead space around the screen, it’s not necessary and makes it harder to read. Next I’d probably add some buttons along the bottom to do the main screen navigation features. Even modern touch screens are less reliable than buttons, especially when exposed to the sort of environment this truck is supposed to inhabit, i find it especially frustrating working with gloves on and having to take them off and on to use touch screen devices, and the solution of a more sensitive touch screen may also not work due to the dirt and water that will get on the screen. A lot of the rest of the UI is pretty good, though the font size for the truck diagram looks incredibly small compared to even the rest of the text.
I agree, something more along the lines of the flight management computer in Boeing aircraft might be a bit easier to manage while wearing gloves with buttons around the display for user input. Maybe it would be good to somehow marry touch screen technology with physical buttons so it can be a dual input scenario.
I wonder if you could use the same Isobus standard that tractors use. That way when you plug in any impliment, it is ready to go and communicate with the truck.
agile methodology, create a minimum viable product for customers and add additional features as you get more customers with more needs. release updates in iterations for existing customers that refine features. its easy to get lost creating too many features right at once. it'll also be hard to create a good update system for vehicles in remote areas w/o networks, but that could be really important.
I think for future truck once they go into production mode customers will prefer analog gauges still for everything but things only related to the batteries / e axle / charging side of things
If I would've pursued the engineering side of things like I wanted to years ago, I would be loving to be apart of this process! Heavily considering buying my own truck(s) in the future and think that Edison motors could definitely be an option for me. Looking to potentially start my own towing company in the USA.
I have a 2015 expedition im thinking about converting to full electric.. what are your thoughts on this? 4x4 190k miles on 3.5 Ecoboost.. original transmission.
I hope the screens can dim automatically during evening/night time (maybe like my car does when I turn on the headlights) . Otherwise you'd need to adjust the screen brightness manually twice a day and it gets old fast.
I think its good to find out now that the software didnt account for less than 8 batteries. Rather than getting a phone call from a pissed off customer saying their truck just stopped moving
Maby I'm in the minority, but one of the things I hated about driving a Mack was the Blue lights on switches and back lighting for the display and blue LCDs. I saw a comment about grayscale and I liked that, but it really shouldn't be difficult and I really hope there is a theme for Red back lighting, so much softer on the eyes and better IMO for night driving. I never really understood the driver's who bathe their interior in blue light, or worse for a person like my black lights.
Is it a capacitive or a resistive touchscreen? Capacitive is better as a touchscreen, but resistive is more adaptable. Capacitive touchscreens won't work with most gloves and I've seen some people, especially the working man type, whose dry calloused hands just don't work with a capacitive screen. Also, resistive screens will work with a stick or any physical object, really handy if you need to work with it from an awkward position or you're too short or something.
Hope it lives up to the hype!! It’s a log truck it’s a snowplow and so much more and if you order now we will send you double 12:40 that’s right two for the price of one .but quantities are limited so hurry
I absolutely love watching this stuff come to be, but I just randomly realized that it's a potential risk by putting all that stuff in the headache rack. If the rack is hit by a load that slides wouldn't there be potential for electrical issues and the possibility of the driver being electrocuted?
I don't drive truck. I drive boats. I hate touch screens because when its bumpy and everythings jumbling around, trying to touch a button on the screen some idiot with phd decided having 5 pixels available was a great idea, its a pain. Technology is supposed to make life easier. Good onto you guys for knowing there's things you don't think of while sitting in a cubicle.
Should have rented a Uhaul truck and drove the stuff back with you. I do not know if they still do but you use to be able to change flights even return flights to a future date. Move the date out 6 months for now and just drive the stuff back.
Something I’d like to see is instead of air tank percentage, the pressure in each tank. Percent doesn’t mean a whole lot but I know what pressure means
To the software developer, remember to do real world testing, and make the screen dim automatically when the headlights are turned on so it doesn't blind the driver
Make the dimming it's own, annoying loosing it where headlights are mandatory 24/7
Great suggestion. I find when I am driving anywhere there aren't any external lights (e.g., outside of a city or town), I turn my dash lights almost completely off. I find it makes such a big difference in my visibility when I don't have a bunch of unnecessary bright lights shining in my face that is reducing the sensitivity of my vision.
Some safety protocol calls for headlights on at all times when truck is moving. If they dim dash you wont be able to see it in daylight, just like the error they made on the pt cruiser dash lights.
Red backlight is a big eye saver at night.. or at least allow the operator to choose it if the leds are programmable
Yeah, don’t pull a Boeing starliner and forget to set the clock 😂
I like the graphics that are being developed for the displays. One suggestion that I have is to look into implementing ISA 101. ISA 101 basically uses greyscale for everything, and then adds color when warnings / faults are present. The idea is that the sudden change in color will draw the operators eye to the screen. Shoot me a message if you'd like to see a demo of what I'm talking about (I'm an engineer for a very large automation company)
That would be a great option, but it should not be the *only* kind of display of information i think, cause it looks as appealing and is not necessary for someone who at the core just drives a truck.
If that would be a big machine *that needs to be monitored 24/7* i would say that something lile ISA 101 is necessary.
This is a great idea! Kind of like what Airbus (and now Boeing with the 787) do with the “Dark flight deck” concept. Lights are off (well, dim) when they’re working right, and turn on when they need attention.
Great idea period
This interview is the best advertisement for a partner/vendor I have ever seen. If I was doing an rfp and found a video like this it’d be a huge positive in the decision.
Thank you!
Yeah like a Ponzi scheme!
Sure thing...go ahead and explain the similarities to a Ponzi Scheme....you're not gonna bet far, if you even start...you're just shit talking.
@@waltergill8196ponzi? Like the one Nikola is pulling off?
@waltergill8196 that's a weird thing to say seeing as how Edison has always been up front about where they are at in the production. They aren't making unfounded or untested claims, like yourself.
This was JUST nerdy enough to really go over well Theron. Absolutely 100% worth the trip.👍
Seeing the backside of Flowdraulic was super interesting and informative.
Please sort out all the 'suggestion' comments to those guys....I've learned that sometimes the dimmest bulb makes the dummest suggestion....that turns out brilliant because he is IN the trench looking up.
This trip was not a waste of time to most of us listening and learning how both of your companies work together and we see the beginnings of a new company. Thank you for the great trip! And I thought EV trucks were a no go. I drive a snow plow for a town in Western New York where we see the snow some times in great amounts. This would be interesting to see if an EV snowplow truck could work in this environment, especially with SALT!
Was about to write that, definitely not a waste of time, super interesting stuff.
batteries and winter are a terrible combo. hybrid is viable because the engine charges the motor, but batteries lose a ton of capacity and output in the cold. teslas actually heat the batteries in the cold so they can hold more
I expect the 'snow plow' application is going to be narrow field...where there IS great changes in altitude for regenerative operation. Flatgrounding these things isn't going to make sense, eventhough I'm sure lots if Government Entities will clog the streets with them.
The generator will also act as a heater for the batteries so temperature won’t be as much of an issue. You will get the advantage of the amazing low end torque of an electric motor, great for slow heavy starts. Also the precise traction control you can get with an electric motor means you will have less sliding in icy conditions. One of the other advantages that electric has is you can power all sorts of auxiliary devices, like a welder for in field repairs. There is a lot that electrification can bring to a snow plow.
"Let's watch the axles spin" was the teaser for a much more in depth great video. Chase wanted 1 battery bank operation. I'm surprised that wasn't communicated well to them.
I usually prefer analog gauges, but I absolutely love the way those displays are done, and the diagnostic screens are ingenious. Have a simplified overall schematic illuminated so you know what you're looking at as soon as you start. Having one screen for engine/generator and one for chassis is a great idea also. Well done, all of you!
You need both, different tools for different jobs. You can't do stuff like energy flow and historical metrics with gauges. While gauges are far superior for vital live metrics. The way Edison with old-school dash infront of the steering wheel and screens on the roof is perfect.
I can't wait to see FloDraulic and Edison Motors together getting the axles turning! As a lifelong "big truck" enthusiast and mechanical guy, along with me currently being an electrician by trade, this project has been so incredibly intriguing. I would love to see a video about the electrical setup, both high and low voltage!
Cheers from South Florida. Originally from Innisfil, Ontario 25 years ago
Very well done interview Sir ! By no means a wasted trip.
I myself can't wait to see this Edison truck show the world what it can do. I think it's incredible that a small dream is about to become reality for you.
Keep up the amazing work Gentleman be safe and Bless Y'all. ✌️❤️🙏
This is awesome to see this reminds me of the wright brothers they took flight out of a garage Edison is changing the trucking industry out of a tent
Listening to this, I suddenly had an interesting idea: I used to drive off highway truck chassis based fire trucks for forest fire fighting... the edison motors truck would be AWESOME for that. In order to run the water while moving, our trucks had auxiliary diesel motors just for the pumping and hydraulics systems. That could be entirely replaced with an HV pump. The bottom could be heat shielded, and with the space saved by cutting out the auxiliary diesels, the water capacity could be increased. The cab gives excellent visibility, the controls could be simplified and omfg the info I could get from those LCDs.... now I'm giddily excited!
I remember 15 years ago explaining to a rural firefighter all the advantages a hybrid apparatus would have over regular diesel-mechanical. A 200kW generator gets more work done than a 200hp PTO shaft any day. Less fuel burn on the fireground, easier to maintain and swap electric accessories to match the task, can combine/share the power from multiple apparatus if needed, plus power emergency shelters and pumps during outages, etc. Get rid of all those separate engines to maintain for generators, compressors, boost/draft pumps, etc.
Plus, electrics can be built inherently safe. Put an LEL meter on the truck to automatically switch it to all electric mode when an explosive atmosphere might be present, it can still operate if needed without being an ignition source - that would be mandatory for oilfield firefighters right quick.
We may not have gotten to see the E axles move but I still think the trip was worth it. There was a ton of cool BTS info that I didn't was happening. Keep up the great work.
with the screens make sure they have airbags etal so they do not get shaken to bits and stop working when in the truck if you need a replacement it is less than a 5-minute job as in pull out unplug etc
It would be good to be able to change the units separately for speed and temperature ect - here in the UK we use Celsius for temp but miles for distance and speed (for whatever reason) 😬
Don't worry we also do that in Canada for various measures lol I'm sure they will think of it. IE coolant temp in Fahrenheit, speed in kph
@@duffbikerpsi > kpa
Because they did not want to follow france fully, just partly.
how we measure distance in miles, mileage in miles per gallon, then sell and measure the fuel in liters is infuriating. my JDM honda with a converted speedo gives me miles per liter, much more useful!
@@olivermatich2818 agreed, if we're going to go metric we should actually go metric
May I suggest that you have the units selectable for each function?
An American driving through Canada may will want speed in the local Km/h, but temps in °F (what they're familiar with).
Most Canadian's will want engine temps in °F and outside air temp in °C, and pressures in PSI, etc.
The vocation specific functions may want totally different units again.
A master switch to go all metric or all imperial doesn't reflect the real world use of mixing units.
100% agree with you
That actually is a really great idea! Thank you
@@northern1937 how much power kw?
Exciting to see it all come together, great job Team Edison!
Having worked with electronics in high vibration environments, the only thing I'd change about the electrical boxes would be to - Use fatter cable ties - The fatter ties don't dig into cable insulation. P clamps to hold bundles down so they don't wiggle, and the use of foam pads to prevent the signal cables from wiggling in the conduits. Adhesive cable tie mounts always melt away in high temperatures. If it can wiggle, it needs to be secured, and avoiding putting stress on the connectors prevents wires from breaking at the connector.
I hope it goes well for you guys.
Mike Patey sells some really awesome zip ties for high vibration environments. If they're good enough for aircraft, and good enough for Mike Patey (extremely high standards) they're good enough for a work truck.
Excellent review of a good partner with an innovative Team! Looking forward to your next steps!
A warning popup that covers basically everything is not what i would do, i would flash red at some place where nothing of the information is blocked so the driver can see "oh theres a problem" but still see all hte information while the popup is there.
Common issue with graphic designers, they have either null or very superficial knowledge about usability.
Agree. Or at worst a Tertiary screen has the popups. I wouldn’t want it overt my primary display.
It depends on the pop up.
Minor ones are just a warning icon. Major ones you absolutely need to notice should pop onto the screen
@@EdisonMotors Still, covering the speedometer with a warning message that is anything but "STOP VEHICLE IMMEDIATELY" isn't a good idea...
Beautiful animations on the screens, I'm complete blown away!
Harjinder did a beautiful job on those
Great video. Thanks for traveling to show us this relationship with FloDraulic. Was not aware exactly how they were involved in the process. Look forward to seeing these trucks working out in the field.
I can't wait to see this completed, hopefully one day soon we'll see these trucks in Michigan pulling gravel trains
Not a wasted trip at all. Behind the scenes at FloDraulics was very cool. Hold on your software developer never heard of limp home mode!!! All EV’s and ICE power plants have this mode.
Edison motors is being slept on hard. I cant wait for the industry to play catch up after they realize what's happening. ❤
We want them to underestimate us for as long as possible.
Thanks for making me cry like I was watching Old Yeller for the first time.
Going to be so much fun adding EMP shielding,
Love all of this. I wouldn't want an error message blocking my speedo though. Keep it up guys 🎉
🤞🏻 WHEN this all takes off, we see you guys down in Australia as well. We, in terms of terrain, usage and accessibility, are in a very similar position to you guy and we don’t really have anyone developing a hybrid or electric vehicle system that suits anything but the pavement princesses. I honestly hope you decide to go international with your company
I have a preference for tactile switches not touch screens.
Software defined of course but a physical moving switch
FLODRAULIC IS SECOND TO NONE..
ABSOLUTELY TOP NOTCH IN EVERY WAY SHAPE FORM AND ANGLE
HAIL THE GREAT MEN WHO MAKE THIS POSSIBLE
ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE
THANK YOU EDISON, AND THE BOYS... BRAVO,👏👏👏
EXTREMELY EXCITING💥💥💪💪
Regardless of the fact we didn't get to see the axles running this was a really informative video. I can't wait to see the real world testing begin. Super exciting stuff.
Have you considered a shut off switch to isolate your systems for welding,or a built in ground to drop to protect the truck when the “something snapped off, we need to weld on the truck.” events. With all these electronics it would be nice to not smoke them.
One thing that would be nice to incorporate is the ability to set some parameters to be displayed in metric and some in imperial at the same time. Us Western Canadians (i cant speak for the easterners) are accustomed to using to using a mixed bag of measurements. Its annoying on modern vehicles when i want the temperature displayed in °C but then am forced to get pressures in kpa because of it.
It would be nice if I could just double tap a guage, and it would switch from imperial to metric, double tap again and it's back to imperial.
@@jmanlincalso double tap would be nice to cycle through the various different measurements.
KPa vs atm vs psi vs mmHg.
Nice electrical shop area. I built boiler & dry kiln controls in Oregon. This truck is amazing !
Canadians work in metric and imperial. There should be a setting for each individual unit. Not just imperial or standard. My guess would be old school truckers use km/h for speed and F° for temperature
thank you for a great video - it was hardly a waste of time
If a wattage out/in meter could be added to the display would be nice, it is the equivalent of a tachometer for EVs. This helps us know how hard we are pushing the system and allows us to adjust accordingly or see potential issues in the system.
Seeing this type of industry on the inside is fantastic!
Can you select psi insted of percentage for the air pressure
It should absolutely be in PSI. I’ll make sure that’s changed
- Chace
@@EdisonMotors thanks 😊
it seems that in Europe that the manufacturers sell a more base model cab/chassis and work more with the builders, but having a bare cab without a dash etc would be useful. The new approach here seems really cool.
Make sure the actual display monitors you install are significantly *larger* than that small monitor Jerome was using during his demonstation. Don't settle for just any font, or at just any point size, or any letter spacing. Make it zero strain or effort to read the display without having to strain your neck forward etc. No small matter, that interface. Legibility is crucial.
I'm skeptical of having controls that can only be operated through touchscreens. If the driver is wearing gloves, or has dirty hands, or the road is bumpy, those screens would become annoying or impossible to operate. I'm surprised given the background of all the teams behind the project that this is the route they're going with.
What I'd like to see (and granted I'm just a construction contractor with little knowledge in heavy trucks or programming industry, I could be entirely off base here) is a row of clickable rotatable knobs under the screen for scrolling through and selecting options that could be mapped to different fields per screen as needed, a set of directional buttons for other navigation, and a brightness dial on each screen. Look at the control scheme on a Behringer digital audio mixer, that's the kind of thing I'm thinking of.
Using physical controls like that means the driver can operate the screens while wearing work gloves (or not have to take their winter gloves off while the truck warms up) by muscle memory without looking.
Regardless, I'm excited to see these trucks come to market! Looking forward to the day i see a cement truck roll up to site completely silent
You really shouldn’t have to ever touch those while driving. All the controls you actually need are switches in the dash
Wouldn't say your trip was a waste. It was very interesting to see how the systems Intergrated and the touch screen display designs. Only suggestion I would give is, since the displays are touch screen, I would have some type of screen protector over them (tempered glass maybe?). Would hate to have a screen crack because my dash camera or hard hat fell out of its rack and bust the screen to the point it's not useable. Great Job guys keep up the good work. You've inspired me to buy an old used truck and get it ready for your conversion kit.
the truck body on Edison is Absolutely unique. the center drive and incredible visibility afforded is unique.
I truly believe that history is being made here between a company that has a dream and a company that still living the dream. Well done video and if you’re that tight with money you guys can stay at my house for free when you’re on business in Toronto.
9:00 is like the Mercedes Unimog. One Truck 1000 Applications. Here in Germany, they are mainly used by community workers. in winter as a snowplough. In the summer for mowing the hard shoulder. And many other things. All with ohne Interface
Why are the air gauges in percent and not psi or kpa?
This was really cool to see and positive overall. I do think that adding buttons and an emergency locator that can run on low power if anything happens are neat ideas. Id also like to add that maybe it eould be good to add a battery level indicator by the fuel level indicator just to avoid any confusion between battery level and fuel level.
I like what I’m seeing and can’t wait to see the final results!
i like this guy. i can see why they are eager to work with edison
Great vid even without wheels turning. Learning is progress.
After seeing the power flow diagram, I think you will need to simplify it like the Prius does. You basically have GEN Battery Axles. You just need to show charge and discharge from each item. During power with Gen running, it's charging the battery and the battery is discharging to axles. When regen, the axles are charging the battery. When using the generator as a jake brake, the axles are charging the battery, which is charging the generator, which is discharging to the engine. So I guess you need to show jake brake in the diagram too.
Need to make sure it has info on Diesel engine too…fuel , oil pressure etc
Curious question, Have you considered a braking resistor grid network for the DC bus with a crowbar circuit? I know you can dump to batteries for braking but DC bus line protection circuits are usually engineered into systems like this for railroad and mining trucks. It also adds incredible braking capabilities to the truck.
He talks about it in another video, most of the time the battery can take 100% of the braking power. The exception would be going down a long grade, the battery would eventually reach full charge and can't take any more - so then they use the generator in reverse as a motor to spin the diesel engine, and activate the engine's jake brake.
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Excellent video!
Made lemonade out of being served lemons!
Excellent job on the video! You're only gonna get better at recording content and editing it!
Keep pushing that rope!!!
Only just came across this, so yeah a bit late to the party. When I used to play with Leopard tanks, having resetable circuit breakers came in real handy when stuff eventually starting acted up. Same kind of thing, operating in harsh environments, lots of vibration.
You’re doing a hell of a job keep it up. I’ll keep watching. I’m really interested in progress. Thanks Frank. PS Oh, that’s a hell of a job change! Feels good though.
Non Canadians might not know this, but there is excellent art on display at the Vancouver airport. Worth going early to take a look.
Are you going to sell stock options in the future
Your way ahead of the game good job
Need some robust potentiometers attached to the suspension so you can know how much weight you are carrying or even pick up suspension issues before it causes major issues.
So if all the power controls are in the headache rack , how would you get in it to troubleshoot when the truck is fully loaded?
Flying budget is smart. early on funds need to go to the prototype, tooling, manufacturing, etc. not luxuries. Too many startups spend money on things they shouldn't early on, so this is a good sign you guys are doing the right things to maximize chances of success.
Very informative video on the ins and outs of FloDraulic!
For the air tanks would they be able to display the PSI instead of %??
I’d like to see Edison build a cab over, designed and built for a concrete pumper or front load garbage truck.
Cant wait to see more!
wat some people here do on budget flights that they arent alowed to take bags is buy and wear a coat with a lot of big pockets and fill those with the extra shirts socks underwear and stuff
I have 100% done that before
- Chace
Just a tip: Don't assume anything with HVDC including the abbilities of HRC fuses. Place barriers between each fuse or see what happens when a fuse explodes and draws a DC arc to other terminations.
Clamping bolts on the bus-bars are very small.
Would be nice for those screens to be able to customize what info is available and how it’s displayed, not sure if that’s in the pipeline already but I think it would be a huge help
Seeing all the planning going in. Did you include a phone charger?
Consider different colors or arrows for the regenerate/discharge screen
Just me, but I think it is critical for you to have some kind of very deep level GUI based tuning application that runs on a computer that can patch into the truck. to allow end users to tune all parameters of the drive control (within reason) for their use case. I imagine there is a lot of scope for optimising the drive control parameters, regen and discharge/charge points/curves at different temps etc, especially for use cases where the truck will be doing the same route over and over like on mines. AI optimisation tools could be amazing for this - like a self tuning mode!
Just having looked at those screens, I have a few unfortunately negative opinions. Main one is the dead space around the screen, it’s not necessary and makes it harder to read. Next I’d probably add some buttons along the bottom to do the main screen navigation features. Even modern touch screens are less reliable than buttons, especially when exposed to the sort of environment this truck is supposed to inhabit, i find it especially frustrating working with gloves on and having to take them off and on to use touch screen devices, and the solution of a more sensitive touch screen may also not work due to the dirt and water that will get on the screen. A lot of the rest of the UI is pretty good, though the font size for the truck diagram looks incredibly small compared to even the rest of the text.
I agree, something more along the lines of the flight management computer in Boeing aircraft might be a bit easier to manage while wearing gloves with buttons around the display for user input. Maybe it would be good to somehow marry touch screen technology with physical buttons so it can be a dual input scenario.
I wonder if you could use the same Isobus standard that tractors use. That way when you plug in any impliment, it is ready to go and communicate with the truck.
That’s actually very similar to the approach we are taking. Great thought.
One thing I noticed is the air tanks need to read psi not %.
I can’t wait to get my 1969 F250 fitted with an Edison system.
agile methodology, create a minimum viable product for customers and add additional features as you get more customers with more needs. release updates in iterations for existing customers that refine features. its easy to get lost creating too many features right at once. it'll also be hard to create a good update system for vehicles in remote areas w/o networks, but that could be really important.
also an option to have engine temp in imperial and sped in meric
I think for future truck once they go into production mode customers will prefer analog gauges still for everything but things only related to the batteries / e axle / charging side of things
If I would've pursued the engineering side of things like I wanted to years ago, I would be loving to be apart of this process! Heavily considering buying my own truck(s) in the future and think that Edison motors could definitely be an option for me. Looking to potentially start my own towing company in the USA.
This is super exciting!
I have a 2015 expedition im thinking about converting to full electric.. what are your thoughts on this? 4x4 190k miles on 3.5 Ecoboost.. original transmission.
Since both companies are in Canada, why does the software show miles instead of km?
I hope the screens can dim automatically during evening/night time (maybe like my car does when I turn on the headlights) . Otherwise you'd need to adjust the screen brightness manually twice a day and it gets old fast.
Don’t forget dirty hands make dirty screens. Maybe include gesture controls for touch free operating.
I think its good to find out now that the software didnt account for less than 8 batteries. Rather than getting a phone call from a pissed off customer saying their truck just stopped moving
not enough voltage? or not enough amperage?
Maby I'm in the minority, but one of the things I hated about driving a Mack was the Blue lights on switches and back lighting for the display and blue LCDs. I saw a comment about grayscale and I liked that, but it really shouldn't be difficult and I really hope there is a theme for Red back lighting, so much softer on the eyes and better IMO for night driving. I never really understood the driver's who bathe their interior in blue light, or worse for a person like my black lights.
Is it a capacitive or a resistive touchscreen? Capacitive is better as a touchscreen, but resistive is more adaptable. Capacitive touchscreens won't work with most gloves and I've seen some people, especially the working man type, whose dry calloused hands just don't work with a capacitive screen. Also, resistive screens will work with a stick or any physical object, really handy if you need to work with it from an awkward position or you're too short or something.
Why are the air tanks in percentage, not psi?
This is cool as hell
Hope it lives up to the hype!! It’s a log truck it’s a snowplow and so much more and if you order now we will send you double 12:40 that’s right two for the price of one .but quantities are limited so hurry
This is so COOL!!!!
I absolutely love watching this stuff come to be, but I just randomly realized that it's a potential risk by putting all that stuff in the headache rack. If the rack is hit by a load that slides wouldn't there be potential for electrical issues and the possibility of the driver being electrocuted?
I don't drive truck. I drive boats. I hate touch screens because when its bumpy and everythings jumbling around, trying to touch a button on the screen some idiot with phd decided having 5 pixels available was a great idea, its a pain. Technology is supposed to make life easier. Good onto you guys for knowing there's things you don't think of while sitting in a cubicle.
Should have rented a Uhaul truck and drove the stuff back with you. I do not know if they still do but you use to be able to change flights even return flights to a future date. Move the date out 6 months for now and just drive the stuff back.
Amazing video
Something I’d like to see is instead of air tank percentage, the pressure in each tank. Percent doesn’t mean a whole lot but I know what pressure means
Go FLO!❤
What software framework did you make the screens with ?
Very cool stuff.
Be nice to display speed as km/h instead of KPH.