Is Durianrider Right? + New Garmin Release & CyclingTom needs our help! | The NERO Show Ep. 29
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- The OG himself @durianriders is back on brand ranting about modern day road bikes, does he have a point? @CyclingTom channel is an unsung hero on the platform while @CharlieCarbsandCycling starts a team as well as the @TourdeTietema guys.
Chapters
00:00 Intro
00:25 Durianrider Hits Home
11:25 Cycling Tom Needs Our help
19:25 Good Things In The UK
25:00 Garmin New Release
31:00 Unresearched Facts
37:15 Deodorant On The Bike
40:26 Instagram Etiquette
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I do watch the show! About the aero frame gains for small vs large riders. Answer = small riders will see a bigger relative gain on an aero bike as the bike makes up a larger proportion of their total CdA. Fact. The reason i don't use one is that i find them predominantly too stiff for my local rides, and the CdA gain on the total package (me being very large) is quite minor. Wheels and narrow handlebar can make up for that wattage and more.
Tyres - If you have smooth roads and climbing all day, stick to 28mm max. If like me you have rough as sh1t roads with cracks and potholes everywhere, a softer fatter tyre is more comfortable and confidence inspiring... = speed. Don't forget a 28mm at say 80psi vs a 32 at 60psi will have the same rolling resistance on smooth tarmac if the "skin stress" in the tyre is the same. Thats a function of width and pressure. It is impossible to just say, wide tyres are faster, narrow tyres are faster. Horses for courses. My ideal setup is 32mm at 55 psi in the back to save my legs and back, and 28mm at 80psi on the front where aero is more important.
It all evens out the aero gains in clothing are bigger. Larger surface area for your skin suits. Don’t forget GCN always get their headline psi figure using hookless which are stiffer. So a 72 psi hookless has the same deflection as a 100 psi tubeless and a 120 psi tub, it’s all smoke and mirrors.
@@tobycolin6271 Hookless are stiffer ?
I get the smoother rim-tire interface thus aero gain rationale of hookless but then wouldn't it also increase rolling resistance dramatically through suspension losses ?
@@WesternUranus yes the deflection is the same at maximum pressure for all tyres. A tub folds up and needs 120+ psi, old school clinchers need 100+ psi, tubeless only pierells and Hutchinson’s 80 to 100 psi and hookless 50 to 70 psi. They all support the rider with the Sam deflection and they all have different side wall stiffness and this is why the tyre pressure is a myth. The amount a tyre deflection is dependent on 2 factors 1 pressure 2 tyre tpi and construction. Hookless at 70 psi feels exactly the same as a tub at 130psi the deflection is the same.
@@tobycolin6271 yet you ignore the fastest TT riders are running 120psi 23/25mm tires.
Ganna used 23mm GP5000 clinchers at 150psi for his HR.
PSI is surface dependent just like tire width is.
Nobody is running 70psi in a normal road race in the World Tour that doesn’t involve cobbles.
Hookless at 70psi does NOT feel like my competitions tubs at 120psi 😂😂😂
You are talking nonsense mate or just so high AF when you ride you can’t tell the difference.
@@durianriders I didn’t say it felt the same. I said that the deflection was the same. The deflection as we both now is dictated by the road surface and to optimise any tyre you look at the road surface and set the deflection to approximately 1/3 to 1/2 the surface deviation. Uk average road this is 1mm smooth velodrome 0mm. Now depending on tyre format and construction you run different pressures for the same deflection. This is the gcn myth. The range for my Vittoria tubs 110 to 180 psi, my gp 5000s 90 to 125psi Pirelli tubeless 75 to 90psi and 72 psi all feel the same and have similar on road performance because the pressure is matched to the construction. 72 psi is not the same in different tyre construction
I agree with the proprietary parts. I can’t even count how many times I have a consumer I sold a bike too, that they bought in 2018 and they ask me to find the part for that to fix it. But the company and also me does not have this in stock and we basically tell the consumer to go find it themselves. It does suck.
Also my videos look fuggin phenomenal. Looks like micheal bay recording it in a parking lot
Hee hee😂
Frightens the life out of me. Built in obsolescence. Another gift from the gift that keeps giving. Capitalism fails again - it just does do sustainable.
love your content sir.
eBay
The industry no longer "knows" it customers. They want to sell us a new $10K complete bike every three years because they think that is the easiest way for them to make money, but many customers want to build our own custom bikes for our own specific riding conditions; because this has always been a key element of the sport. We want to be able to implement our own ideas through the long standing upgrade model, not through a "buy new off-the-rack" model. Durian is absolutely spot-on in recognizing this...
Lol if that’s what you think, you are so far removed from reality.
Do you really think that the home mechanic boomer, who balks at paying $20 for an inner tube is worth catering to, over a cyclist who walks into a shop and throws money at the store for the latest and greatest?
No. Some shops have even made the dentists and doctors on dogmas and sworks their main market, because those guys actually help keep their store afloat. The profit from one of those folks in a hour far outweighs what you penny pinching muppets can give in a month.
Yes. The folks who buy a new 10k bike every year or so matter more than you penny pinching boomers. Custom bikes that will last a lifetime? Good lord that’s such an incentive for companies to pay attention to you guys.
The industry knows it’s customers, you’re just salty that it’s no longer you. And you know what I feel too? Good riddance. I’m enjoying the bikes in road cycling way more now than I did a decade ago when folks like you were just holding progress back.
basically what suck are three things:
1) proprietary parts
2) the lack of options
3) and the ungodly prices
I bought my bike to last me 10 years, not 3. Rim breaks are easy maintenance, light weight, and good enough. I don't cycle much in the rain. I like working on my own bike, because I like knowing my own bike. And I don't like spending money when I don't have to. I am a casual rider. I ride for the fun and adventure.
In a nutshell yes.
I've been riding and maintaining bikes for about 35 years. I still do about 6k-7k miles per year. This retrogrouchiness is misplaced. Modern bikes are much better to actually ride and I'd argue easier to live with than older bikes. People forget the irritations of old bikes: binding shift cables, binding brake cables, no brakes in even the mildest dampness, rock hard 115 psi 23mm tires with no grip, wheels going out of true, jarringly harsh carbon frames, shifting that doesn't compare to modern electronic shifting. I'd say the only things that were better before were threaded BBs (which have come back) and non-slipping, simple seatpost clamps (which need to come back). Everything else is better on modern bikes: faster, more comfortable, better shifting, better braking etc. Also, a electronic/hydraulic road bike requires very little work. Particularly if you go with AXS, building up a bike could not be easier. Once Di2 is installed, you basically never touch it again. Modern hydraulic brakes very rarely need bleeding. In five years of riding tubeless exclusively on road/gravel/MTB, I've had one flat I had to plug. Most people I know are using tubeless on the road, I can't remember the last time a flat disrupted one of our group rides. I'm as nostalgic for the old 6.1 kg Cannondales as the next guy, but there's no way I'd ride one.
Preach. 100% agree. I have a brand new bike with all the new stuff - integrated cables and AXS. It’s very easy to maintain and UA-cam makes decent bike mechanics out of all of us if you’re willing to put in the time to learn.
My new Soloist is super fast and comfy. Is safer with wider tires, more grip, better braking, never needs adjusting.
My like 7 year old Roubaix with hard tires and rim brakes beats me up and that was designed to be comfy. And it always needs tuning.
This is exactly right. Electronic and hydraulic systems are much less finicky and much more reliable than cables. Modern maintenance is straightforward and the little work you have to do lasts for thousands of miles.
I'd love to know what yall smoking. Hydraulic brakes not requiring maintenance or bleeding (especially SRAM which must be bled each year) - dem jokes are too much.
I'm an old dude and started riding in the late 1980's. I wouldn't trade my carbon, disc braked, electronic shifting bike for an old bike. The new bikes are just nicer to ride.
I completely agree with the tyre situation. I currently ride a mid-2000s giant tcr and whilst it is an excellent bike for the money (£350 for a combination of 105, ultegra and dura ace) my tyres routinely need to be run a rock-hard psi otherwise there is a large risk of punctures. It is also worth noting that many of the older bikes come with old-school 44mm wide handlebars. Whilst this is an easy fix for people that are mechanically minded, it is harder if you are getting into the sport as well as costing a little bit more (£50 for the handlebars and a bike shop to install them).
Loving all the collab and banter you gents are covering. Fresh and one of the best on this UA-cam platform. Every week, you guys are the one I look forward to. Yes.... Get Cade on!
cheers for the shoutout boys- love the pod
Whenever a band posts of social media, the comments are always "Come to Brazil".
The cycling equivalent is "Come to Ireland"
I´m not really a fan of your videos, BUT credits for the team Thing !!!!!
Road bicycles peaked in 2018, the options available then catered to everyone and you could afford them.
I would say they peaked around 2015
@@Cyclingchoice agree to an extent, however from personal experience R8000 / 9000 is a step up from R6800 / and whatever Dura Ace was 🙂
Plus you had a crossover period with disc and rim brake options, full aero and 'lightweight climbing' options providing grwater choice . AND did I mention you could actually afford them 😁
My opinion of course 👍
@@zeuszuki6698 dura ace and ultegra and 105 doesn’t have to be “affordable”.
These ar luxury products of you look at the larger picture.
Too expensive? Buy microshift. Still too expensive? Strip a abandoned bike rusting away of its groupset. I can’t afford 105 on my indoor trainer bike; I use microshift for that. Or are stuff like microshift too pleb for elitists like you?
Cycling has never been “unaffordable”. The difference now, is that you can no longer pay peanuts but still hope for something better than monkeys, as it should be.
Couldn't agree more. I say this to all my riding friends!
It's an interesting idea to consider. There might not be any more fertile ground for truly groundbreaking advances.
DR is right, as someone wanting to buy a new bike i dont feel comfortable forking out 8k for "decent" bike when it will be a pig to maintain and will it even last me? honestly i just want to go back 10 years and buy a bike then vs now. It is sickening how consumers get fucked, especially ones like me who just want a bike and know nothing about how to maintain them.
It’s pretty easy to maintain your bike.
Just chuck it to your nearest mechanic and get them to do it for you.
I’ve been riding for close to a decade, and I can’t even remember the last time I’ve changed an inner tube, let alone worked on my bike (outside once or twice over the last 6 years whe the shop wasn’t open)
Let’s be honest, even as someone who knows how to work on their bike (bleeding, setting up and replacing tubeless stuff etc), tou arent musing much by not knowing how to. Just pay someone to do it for you and spend that time on better things like working out at a gym etc.
Get a rim brake frame set and build it up
I like rim brake bikes, I like to climb and from what I have seen disc brake bikes are a bit heavier. I also like the fact that I can get a decent rim brake bike relatively cheap. I also like the look more as it is what I grew up with and at almost 50, maybe it is a bit of nostalgia
The most attractive aspects of cycling toms vids include his overall good humour , positivity (not whinging about his lot) , school boy enthusiasm (which i hope he doesnt lose) and the has some serious drive from what I can determine from his content
First step of sales is establish a need, either by identifying a real need or by inventing one and convincing people it's real.
So I am one of the rare ones who subscribed, a long time ago in a galaxy far away, to this channel to follow the adventures of a small cycling team. That is UA-cam I like and watch, the personal stories around cycling and racing, not product or click bait type challenge videos.
I been subscribed to CyclingTom for a couple of years, I want to see more videos about the development team, both management and racing.
Agree. I think Chris was way too hard on himself. I really enjoyed the ride and race vlogs and this was a big motivator for me to pin a number on at some point. It was great content.
Yep, I really liked the Nero team stuff and that's what got me following Chris, both here and on IG. I still really admire the attempt to make the team work, and it's a shame it ended.
Loving the more regular episodes. Keep it up guys
If I'm honest I used to tune out your channel. But I love the Pod. One of my favourite in all Genres. CyclingTom is amazing. Great channel!
On generally poor US roads, most people don't want to ride tires narrower than 28mm. That's why discs became universal.
On my rim brake road bike, I change pads every 15 to 20,000 miles and cables every 12k or so. On my new disc brake road bike with 1k miles on it, I've gone though multiple sets of pads and a brake bleed. Yes, I mostly ride mountains, but that's a pretty stark difference.
Trade offs!
Disc brake justifications are BS for most riders who never ride in rain, or do mountain descents, true small rim calipers limit tire width which is why I got. CX frame with Vee brakes, 32mm tires, never needed to true anwheel. I had a disc colnago with full ultegra, two sets of discs, two sets of pads, hours adjusting…and I am a pro mechanic, LOVE my V brakes which last, are silent, and zero maintenance. Did a 4000 ft 50 miler on rim brakes with a Disc’d buddy, Also pro mechanic, and he had to stop to straighen his disc twice. Get what you want, burnkeep both options please.
Jessie is 100% correct! Deodorant/antiperspirant must be applied before every outside ride. You’re not doing it for you or your riding mates. You’re doing for the Ambos and hospital staff that will be caring for you after a decent crash.
Or the bloke sitting next to you in the café.
Deoderant/antiperpirant stinks and might give you cancer. I stopped using it years ago.. try bicarb instead.
Bought a Cervelo Soloist S1 aluminium - the first 'aero' bike in the peleton - and i built it up without any problems at all using generic components - nice ones though - it has a threaded BB and is a beautiful frame which is tough as old bots when sold the original owner would have had a lifetime guarantee. It is 20 years old and still a quick bike.
Another good podcast guys. I took some advice from the CyclingTom section, thanks!
So much good chat in this episode. Good work guys 👏
I'm in my 50s and riding a bike older than I am. I can get a plethora of parts for it. In fact I can get 'modern' bike tech that actually fits. I can NOT be the only one!
I just built up a new disk bike from scratch - with di2, press fit bb and integrated cabling. It’s piss easy! Honestly what is all the fuss about? Just about anything to do with bike mechanics is super easy, even for the home mechanic, unless you need super specialist tools like facing tools. There’s a UA-cam video for everything. I have an old S-works SL4 but went disk for 32mm tyres on bad roads - it’s that simple.
Another great ep, love it when Jesse goes no holds barred. Rapha used to sell an ‘embrocation’ which smelt great. Pretty sure Toby used that too.
Really feel like an ice cold ginger beer right now…
I was talking with a friend this morning who said he was got a new element roam and it had a feature that sounds just like the Garmin pacing tool you spoke about. He said he used it only our local climb and managed to get a pb using the feature because it was telling him what power to put out on certain parts of the climb to help beat his pb.
Chris, try this Tyre setup... Front ; 26mm Vittoria Corsa speed TT , Rear; 28mm Vittoria Corsa N-EXT 28mm. You will get nice light front end, more comfortable rear with far better puncture protection. And keeps things aero up front too. 80 to 90 psi should have to rolling pretty slick.
So the example of the oversized stem is valid however there are still a bunch of them out there... for example I git one from zipp for my tcr. The actual part is designed with inserts so you can micro adjust the angle of your handlebars but if you leave the shims out it fits perfectly to the overdrive 2 fork.
Good video. I think part of the stagnation in stuff like head units for bikes is just a function of...well, at the end of the day you're on a (potentially mechanical!) chain drive two wheeled machine. You're out there to enjoy the ride, maybe smash some climbs, train, race, and perhaps explore. There's only so much tech you need to do any of those things. You have some sensors you want to pair to and record data so you want ant+ and bluetooth, you want some real time stats, maybe want to hunt some strava segments, do a structured workout, and be able to follow clear maps.
From a hardware perspective, a modern head unit has a gps chipset that's accurate to within less than 5 meters (ie a modern garmin with gps/glonass/gallileo and multiband), can connect to and control multiple sensors (like smart radars/lights), and has good offline maps.
So the other improvements have to come in the form of software. As Chris mentions, some of the software features are just dumb, like race target power (if you're really new to time trialing that's maybe the only scenario I could see it being useful). Other software features like auto climb detection are cool if you don't know the area, but any new software features that I could imagine being really cool would require a faster processor. At this point we're looking at something that's effectively a cycling specific smartphone. Take the Hammerhead Karoo 2 for instance, which is literally just an Android phone with built in ant+ support. That's literally all it is. I'd contend this is the way forward because you can constantly iterate from a software perspective. On some level, a modern smartphone with an ant+ receiver is the best head unit you can get, and we all already own one. At this point though, I just don't think there's much I'd want out of a head unit that doesn't already exist.
FYI, Wahoo will be filing for chapter 11 bankruptcy, though that's not yet public information and it's not a public company so...yeah, there's that. Zwift priced them out of the trainer market and they probably should have sold the rest of their business a while ago...
I guess I like some of the latest gear -- I've bought plenty of it -- but my riding fun peaked with a good steel frame and fork that had just the right amount of flex for me, and some really good tubulars.
I was a newbie in 2019 and had a budget of 3k AUD to buy a new road bike, got a 7.2kg trek Emonda rim brake, and still riding it, and multiple other bikes theses days. What light weight road bike can newbie buy these days for similar money from a bike shop? Sure a $20k bike will be nice to ride, anyone entering the sport these days will likely buy a bike that is actually junk to ride.
The garmin updates are actually more triathlon focused then actual cyclist. When you do an no drafting event those power targets would be pretty helpful.
Exactly. I’ve used Best Bike Split for an Ironman and it was amazing.
Who is an "actual cyclist"? Cause I've been complaining for years that all the new gear is targeted at road cyclists and not "actual cyclists" :D
Also I just realised that traveling by plane with my dogma F is more expensive as u need to have larger box as it is not easy to take out integrated steering out for travel.
Loving the conversations mates
Modern super bikes remind me of sport bikes (motorcycles). I love the look. But, my "road bike" is actually a mechanical 1X gravel bike with road tires.
Getting better at this guys. Good show today 🎉
Not a fan of durianrider. Don't hate em either, just think that youtubers who just rant (and get praised for it) are 1) a dime a dozen and boring 2) often wrong, even where there might be some validity to the issue that gave rise to the rant. What exactly did we learn from his video anyway?
NPC types like you can learn the truth because you can’t handle to be wrong.
That’s what we love Harley is he isn’t afraid to be wrong or to try things first.
@@GetFitwithNatasha I don't know how you'd know anything about me to make such a claim. But anyway, good for durianrider. You might be right, I wouldn't know. But I didn't find his rant persuasive and generally find ranting to mostly be dull and uninformative.
Yep
The new garmin computers are expensive but the climb pro, & solar charging are amazing! I love the climb pro feature because im horrible at pacing myself. I used to have to charge my 820 before every ride & above about 5 1/2 hrs it would go into power save mode. The 1040 solar I've charged twice since the 1st week in January, never never let it below 50%, & am still above 50% after 1000+ miles for the year! The lack of having to think about it is amazing!
I think the lack of progression in the tech space is down to a few different factors.
1. Garmin focusing on tech with a bigger market i.e. watches
2. Wahoo having a hard time financially
3. Bigger tech companies taking the better engineers by offering more $$ leading to less innovation (Garmin has 130+ open engineering positions)
Great video guys 👊👍
NERO POUR HOMME! Best idea to have come out of this podcast... you guys should go down that rabbit hole!
Vlogging format is hard. You need to be a great story teller to succeed. Vegan cyclist is great at it. Cycling Maven was even better, sadly he doesn't vlog nowdays. I think channels focusing on specific topics like training, equipment, bike builds are doing well nowadays instead of vlog formats. Francis Cade is smart enough to notice this development and rebrand his channel.
Here’s a topic for you to consider chaps. Should you move to 12 speed if your bikes and parts collection is all 11 speed? I’ve got a 2022 gravel bike and a 2017 Di2 roadie. Both 11 speed. I like to work on my bikes myself and have accumulated a collection of 11 speed drivetrain parts, cassettes etc that I can swap and change. The problem is that I’d like to replace the roadie as it’s getting long in the tooth - but all of the new roadies seem to be 12 speed (but not the new gravel bikes incidentally). I don’t want to have to accumulate both 12 speed and 11 speed parts. I just want to get a nice new 11 speed roadie. Is that asking too much?
i just looked at the garmin edge 840 and the only thing that i think they should have done already for a long time is that you can still use it perfectly with the button's because you dont want that in the winter you need to take you gloves off to use it but the price is still rather high
Garmin really phoned that one in. Hard to believe they had the balls to make a fuss about it, but I’m sure they’ll sell boatloads. I know the Karoo has a less than stellar battery life but that screen is so good and personally my rides aren’t over 8 hours anyway. Totally agree on the mostly pointless software features Garmin have piled in, especially as it’s just more to go wrong as they roll out firmware updates and the testing requirements become more and more onerous.
The prices in the Uk are a total piss-take.
I wash all my kit using Atsko Zero
Sport Wash scent free. Highly recommended to keep any kit/sports wear not stinking after a while
I think Garmin has done an amazing job on the 540 and 840. What I mean is that it's amazing I have no desire to upgrade from my 530 😂. Thanks Garmin 👍
and I have no doubt people on 520s have no desire to update too 😅
Seriously so much of this I love….. the talks about reels 😂
in the discussion between rum and disk brakes it very much depends on your location and whether you also drive through the winter.
I live in the Netherlands and maybe drive closer to 50% in the rain.
I recently got a new Pina prince FX with disk brakes and am very happy with it.
This cannot be compared to my old dogma 7800 rim brakes.
Ok, it is a little heavier, but also much safer.
On the garmin 840/540 part: Didn't know/care that those have come out, but pricing really is very hefty: The 840 listings online are exactly the price that you can get the 1040 for online, so I'm not sure who would chose the 840 then.
Firstly, love the videos, great work! I have a 2020 disk brake Cannondale supersix evo. I do love the look of the frame. Unfortunately, it is very poorly designed. Internal cables rub on the frame, the proprietary bar and stem is extremely heavy, other bars and stems don’t look right on the frame. There is a metal pin that is supposed to stop the bars hitting the frame but if the bars are turned too far it cracks the frame as the metal stopper hits the carbon directly. Bike weight is quite heavy even with upgrades. Have recently repurchased a rim brake 2019 Trek Emonda, using this as my summer bike as we all know carbon rim brakes and uk winter don’t mix well. I would love to see new rim brake bikes but expect they will be out of my price range given the price of new bikes today.
My 2010 TCR has the overdrive sized steer tube too... I admit that proprietary stuff is more common today, but even my 2010 had that tech already.
2010 lucky enough to be before pressfit BB?
@@out_spocken It has a press fit BB86. I change out the bb once every few years. No issues with noise but I may just be lucky.
@@matthew.tamasco I used to think pressfit was awesome...till it wasn't lol I'd rather 200g more and an easy to maintain BB than the creamy clicky can't get out myself bb
I have been a bike messenger for 4 yrs, I ride bikes from the early to late 80s every day. The maintenance it takes for them to ride another 6-12 months without service is far, far cheaper than any modern bike would cost. I ride for at least 4-5 hours daily. All weather, including a foot of snow.
I’m with you Jesse, I under arm & do a spritz of pour homme, and wouldn’t mind smelling more of it out on the road, lol.
People hating on the DR segment, get over it, these guys are all about everything cycling and UA-cam/social media, so naturally he’s gonna be brought up, and DR’s not going anywhere, so don’t hate on the guys for giving it airtime. The boys should be able to put on whoever they like, it’s not about you. Smh.
Great pod as always, I love the format, it's always great to hear the opinions and general bike chat which you don't get on the other channels. I'm a subscriber on Cycling Tom's channel and to be honest most of his stuff can be a little boring. Cycling content is pretty niche as you know and if you were to make content just for elite bike snobs like yourselves (no offence) then you're not going to get views. Where you get clicks and views is targeting the periphery, so people who are new to the sport, people who are looking for advice on how to train or what rides they should be doing each week. Tech comparisons are good for this market because they want to know if buying X will make them a better cyclist or should they invest in Y. They're not going to care if you have a team but they'd like to know how to get onto a team, or to see the work and suffering it takes to get to that level. Just my two cents. Also: rim brakes for the win.
love it !
Assos has a good Lycra cleaner. I can vouch for it. Normal detergent doesn’t work well enough in my opinion.
lol i thought i was the only one rocking the cologne on the bunch rides. I use "sports" fragrances, and find they are the least intrusive for those around me and I've received compliments.
Chris - 100% with you as a coolaid drinker - Modern bikes just look way better to me. Intergrated cables / discs i prefer the look of them.
Disagree on the emotional attachment - My new bike was bought with inheritance from my Grandma. She knew i had been into cycling and enjoyed telling her my stories etc. She left me enough money to buy my dream bike brand. Last year riding around in the Pyrenees i was telling this story to my ride companion for the day and it made me cry both happy & sad tears. I love that bike and it reminds me of my Grandma just looking at it. So its the experiences on the bike and the circumstances around the bike that are the emotional attachment - not just buying any adhoc new bike.
Interesting you mention Francis - Would love to see you have him on your channel. That said I actually think he has gone off the boil recently. Been a huge long time fan but i am stuggling with the new studio based stuff he is doing.
Instagram Ettiquette - Its self promotion. In another sport i would post up resuults but one of my rules was never post how big the field was. eg: If your 3rd from 4 your still on the podium. I would mentioned class (level) though. eg: AAA 3rd. At bigger events i would even post down to 10th how i did.
I bought the Factor One (rim brake) in 2021 because I thought it would be awesome (it is) and because I was afraid I wouldn't be able to find a single rim brake bike if I waited another year. I love the rim brakes, love the bike, but it's 100% proprietary parts, which does concern me. I have a wonderful Teammachine SLR with disc brakes. It's a great bike, but I don't feel the same passion for it like I do with my rim Factor.
Strava race format: Event - grade - position (can be replaced with the relevant medal emoji but otherwise, no emotion)
The power target from the new garmin are really nice for the pacing of Time Trials
In theory yes, but it doesn't account for wind (last I checked)... making it next to useless in the real world.
Why can't you just use lap ave. power?
The Garmin 1040 unit is solid for me so far. I think the solar is a bit gimmicky but it’s a cool gimmick imho. The race pace is not a bad idea.
When I got my road bike back in 2017 I went out of my way to get disk brakes, this was before disk brakes came to ultegra and dura-ace. Since all my mountain bikes were disk, rim brakes were just stupid idea to me. To this day I have never done maintenance on them other than replace the pads a couple times.
Things I can agree with is they are lighter but not enough to impact me and also in a panic brake situation a lock up is more likely but this is at the fault of the rider not the disk brakes.
I'm a small-medium sized rider and even I prefer a wider tire. I use 28/30mm TL. I even wonder if I should go 30/32mm sometimes... 😃
Here’s my problem.. I had a rim brake F10… loved it.. the ride was amazing to me… I traded it for a Dogma F .. disc brakes… I first thought… “this isn’t as nice to ride”… I even bought back a second hand F10 coz I missed it… Guess what, I never ride it.. the Dogma F is so damn good… Make of that what you will… I also have a mechanical campy rim brake Colnago C60… looks amazing,, never ride that much either 😂
I feel peer pressure and wanting to fit in may effect our perception of how a bike will feel.
@@tonyt8804 maybe mate, but I only ride on my own so nobody else to be pressured by. Can only share how it is for me..
@@tonyt8804 agreed, plus anyone who watches YT is constantly getting new and "improved' bikes videos shown to them. Hard not to get caught up in that pursuit of new/upgrade
I've never had huge amounts of money to spend on bikes in last 25yrs so I'm your value for performance punter. So I've always bought decent bikes with good reviews on sale(old stock-old colour scheme 40 to 50%off) and over time swapped out all the parts to make it nearly as good as their top end offering. So stems,seats seatposts, handlebars(sometimes), wheelsets. So being able to easily work on bikes is a must. Semi integrated ok but all integrated cables through hbars and stem too much faff. Proprietary parts no because then I can't choose. I can't research parts from a variety of brands and save up before fitting which for me is most of the fun. I don't mind bleeding my brakes on my mtb but I draw the on my road bike! Ridiculous! Its a road bike. If I'm riding lots of hills I'll take my alloys.
Bought a giant propel 2019 with discs. Impossible to find a shorter integrated stem...
Norcal cycling is a great example of getting people to watch/care about a local team. I'm an avid cyclist who really didn't care much about racing until I started watching norcal cycling. That being said, it's more about the races rather than the team.
Exactly
Ck one and sure sport for me maybe that’s why I’ve got 20 year old cycling gear that still used. Helmet foam needs vanish and washing powder once a week, muc off foam every ride.
I saw a disc brake bike yesterday: it was a 60yr old lady and the bike was a "shopper" type with step over frame and wicker basket on the front.
I did have a chuckle.
Discs are fine for buckled rims, less mess from brake dust and rain flick from rims, but they really are only performance improving for the harshest of downhills (road and off road.)
For most bikes its a gimmick plus what the manufacturer is set up to produce.
I personally think there is a big opportunity for someone to start a channel in or around pro cycling or cycling travel. I think the reason it doesn’t work for most people is they can’t tell a compelling story. I watch allot of cycling, travel, sailing, and vanlife UA-cam And the thing I notice is that the cycling channels don’t seam to be able to tell compelling story’s outside of vegan cyclist. The travel, sailing and vanlife people do a really good job of telling story’s that go from video to video.
Totally agree with your modern bike takes
i am from Belgium so speak dutch and i watch tour de tietema.
Their views already dropped since they switched to other contend but they still do decent with 150k per video.
But like you said those arent bangers that pop up on the recommended pages like when they filmed videos at the tour de france those where really nice to watch with a lot of banter between them what made it popular.
What makes that they still hit 150k views per video is the way they show how their team works and a lot of inside info what a lot of people dont know about cycling teams but those are weird to watch for one video so it is more regular viewers than ones that join in for one video
I disagree this week on the comments about the difficulty of working on modern bikes. Electronic groups are massively easier to maintain than any cable setup. Disc brake pads swap out faster and simpler than rim pads. Cranksets come apart and reassemble in easier ways. Bikes and parts are stamped with torque numbers near every bolt. I can’t think of one thing outside of part compatibility that has gotten more difficult for the home mechanic.
"Disc brake pads swap out faster and simpler than rim pads."
Yeah and you have to bleed them and strip callipers every couple of years to keep them clean and not rubbing too, disc brakes are amazing.
@@channul4887 Bleeding is a simple task. 20$ in tools and you spend less than 2 hours a year maintaining them. I come from mountain biking so the upset over disc is just bonkers to me. Back when I had rim brake MTB and road bikes I spent loads more time dealing with alignment and cable tension problems than I ever do with disc issues.
@@Uphill_Pursuit I haven't and I don't know anyone who's ever spent more than three minutes realigning a caliper brake, even a single pivot, unless they didn't know to just wipe and put a drop of oil in the pivot before adjusting.
@@channul4887 You don’t have to bleed them actually. But it’s a very easy process. You should be keeping any brakes clean. Just more nonsense narratives from the grouches.
Bleeding hydraulics is not hard. It's just a different skill set. I hardly ever have to do it more than once a year. Pads are consumable sure but so are rim brake shoes so I don't understand why rim brake fanatics think they're any different. You have your system, you live with its quirks.
With regard to electronic shifting: that the shifters themselves are just essentially switches means they will eventually wear out, much like the microswitches on your computer's mouse or trackball. Jom of the Gravel Cyclist channel tackled this. He says he sets up his Di2 buttons to act much like SRAM eTap, so that the right shifter buttons don't wear out disproportionately quicker than the lefts.
Good points. Disc brakes love them or hate them are forced down our throats. Equipment stuff videos and shop videos are way more interesting. Look at GC Performance for example. The stuff he puts out from his shop and the neat things he has are interesting and fun to watch. Hambini is very interesting with his engineering background. Those things will always get more clicks.
I always check in on Harley and listen to his content. Perhaps not as much as I did, but I’m certainly still a fan. I love his passion and perspectives on the cycling market. I think for a lot of new people to the sport, they might not understand him simply because they don’t appreciate how it used to be 15 to 20 years ago for high end bikes. Either they recall a low end bike they had as kid, or a new bike that now costs $4K+ and needs to be justified. I love light light fast bikes. But I’m 55 and have other interests, so I’m not dropping $4K+ on a bike. But I’ll gladly spend 500 to 1000, build a 6.x Kg 5900 with a 7800 group and be very satisfied. I just think that opportunity will be gone for the 20 to 30 year olds of today, when they get to 55. Currently I ride a Felt Z5, 8050 Di2 and Easton SLXs. I LOVE that bike. Dura Ace 9000s rim brakes with SwissStop pads are not a problem in the wet. It’s not the new tech that’s the problem, it’s the “marginal gains” being implemented for profits in an ever increasing race to nowhere.
You need to change the channel name to Grumpy old men😂😂. Love it though. Agree with the Llama, no point in upgrading a 530 to a 540. Climb Pro, hate all the crap that pops up so I turn it off. I know what power I should be riding to when climbing so don't want Garmin to show some snazzy colours on my screen. Does anyone really give a sh#t what Durian says? The answer is no, they don't. Keep up the elitist criticism of everything, its awesome😊
Hey, I was positive … once 😂. Thanks Neil 🙏🏼
@@ChrisMillerCyclingA brief oversight 😂
Best podcast on UA-cam. Keep it up guys.
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I don’t put on deodorant before a ride but I do shower in my kit right after. That way it doesn’t stink in the laundry basket before I can give it a proper wash.
Also saves the kit from being eaten away from sweat. Like you, no deodorant, dunked straight in a bucket with some soap, have a shower, rinse out the kit, hang it...and it's then also usually good for the next day too.
I'm having these Instagram cringe reels forced upon me too, they're as close as cycling gets to the fitness vibe but I'm 100% with Chris on this. You know imminently after the video they're back on the hoods catching their breath. Literally any amateur cyclist can stage a professional looking 10 seconds and look like a hero...gah!
Someone should have a wind speed sensor + gyroscope on the head unit so we can have live CDA and rolling resistance and gradient from wheel speed sensor + wind speed sensor + power meter + gyroscope sensor.
I agree Garmin pricing is ridiculous I agree Garmin falls well short
Dr is right in the sense they are trapping people into an eco system like apple does with soft ware for groupsets and owning simple bikes I can maintain myself with rim brakes is simple and cheaper for a commuter.
I started watching for the small team race stuff from Netherlands fyi thought it was interesting to see .
Excellent and fair discussion on Durianrider.
cologne on a ride 😂 cracking me up, keep the chat coming guys 👍🏼
Durianriders video is summarised in totality by the Simpsons grandpa "old man yells at cloud" meme. The guy is completely out of touch.
Yeh. Really surprised you guys gave him your credibility. What you gave you also lose.
My Cervelo R3SL is awesome. Bought a giant TCR advanced disc last year, and I just don't love it. It also annoys me working on it, coz of internal routing..
This makes sense, but… how often do you need to work on it if you already know your bike fit.
Change the stem height once, maybe get a shop to re-plumb the hydraulic cables if you can’t be bothered. Then no difference for years right?
Make sure you post your bike build, Jessie.. It would be good to see the Giant bike build..
When you look at bikes with some reasonable price, instead the highest end stuff not much has changed. I have ultegra mechanical groupset which is the same to work on as the ultegra that was on my '05 Trek. No cables in my handlebars or any of that stuff. I have a giant d-fuse seatpost, but it also takes a generic one. Handlebars and stem are default, etc. I will say that the hydraulic disk brakes were a pain to work on, but it brakes much better for me seeing I'm a chunky lad, we're not all 60kg guys who are fine with rimbrakes in the wet.
Not all of us are riding some 10k and up bike stuffed with proprietary everything.
im sorry, u said reasonable price and then u lost me at ultegra.
I have never heard of Cycling Tom. After seeing that mullet, I had to subscribe!
do you think we could've had proper SRAM/Shimano brake calipers which would accommodate tires up to 35mm if discs weren't pushed so hard?
because one of the main reasons i switched to discs was wanting to ride in comfort on 32mm tires
Kiama local here. This area makes any cyclist honest. Very punishing terrain around kangaroo valley. I also love that it does not matter if you ride disc, rim, aero or lightweight, you will be tested in ever area of fitness. How good is riding these climbs with no one around
So about the Garmin Edge 840: You want a better resolution screen? Ok give up battery life and the ability to use gloves while using the touch screen as well as using the touch screen when it's pouring rain out.
Garmin is betting that more people care about battery life then making it look as good as a smartphone. As if you're going to be watching movies and shit. Sure maps would look fantastic but if your Garmin's battery is dying out too quickly what good is it?
I've been using the Garmin 840 now for 4 days and I love it. The response time is quick. Albeit not as quick as a smartphone but it's fast enough. It's easy to navigate. I can read and see everything on the screen clearly just fine. The added Multi band GPS, Climb Pro and the added 6 more hours of battery life makes this a worthy upgrade.
Nice bundaburg ginger beer. That's good stuff hard to find here in AZ.
HAHA!! Good spot. Still my go to sweet drink
I get Garmin's move because they can currently crush wahoo. Wahoo's debt just got downgraded to default which means that the company can't operate anymore as it is. Probably need a private equity company to come in and restructure it. Cut costs etc. They will probably cut support and other services.
"Crushing" your main competitor is a very bad move actually. They probably don't want to be a Monopolist and get fines for anti-competitive behavior. It's much more important for Garmin to grow the market of modern bicycle computers. Having a healthy market with lots of models from different brands is very important for that.
Basically: That seems like Garmin shooting themselves in the foot.
@@imrevadasz1086 Just happy that Wahoo did a recapitalisation. So they should be good for now.
3:58 I think the 2020+ Scott Addict RC has the same size steerer. 1 1/4” to 1 1/2”
I disagree that its hard to fall in love with the sport of cycling because it’s hard to fall in love with today’s bikes. WHAT?!!! 😮 Look, if Durian Rider and others consider themselves purists whose position is always to resist and be against everything new, that’s fine. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And for me, today’s bikes are absolute works of art. There’s no comparing a fully integrated aero disc brake bike to its earlier predecessors. And if it’s performance we’re talking about, i don’t hear any of the pros complaining.
sometimes i feel like the only person on Earth who despises the looks, and functionality of modern-day carbon road bikes. never thought i'd have anything in common with DR
i will take my 2007 Look 585 with externally-routed Record 10 over any modern-day road bike, and i generally do, almost every time i go out for a ride
Great episode Jesse and Chris, particularly around clubs/teams on YT and the British scene. Our club in the UK, GS Mossa, is trying to showcase a different side to the racing scene with videos around race organisation, the Marshalls and the volunteers. We are aiming to showcase how much goes into organising these races for riders and to ultimately 'give back' to our sport. This is coupled with race content/vlogs and on-board footage. It is no secret that the British scene has had its troubles this year on a National and Conti level. Hopefully clubs like ours and Charlie's can generate that local/regional buzz around racing that gets people involved. Be great to hear your thoughts!
Yeah, Peak Torque as the next guest….. Bring it on. 😊