Should MASTERS race teams exist, REMCO has a cry & do you watch BIKE BUILD vids? | NERO Show Ep. 15
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Chapters:
00:00 intro
00:21 TDU Prologue
03:42 SRAM Pro Only Gear
09:48 Cookie Cutter Bikes
12:45 Masters Race Teams
23:25 Remco Loses it
28:10 Bike Build Videos
30:00 Jesse Goes 1X
33:15 Coaching Camps
The tour down under has kicked off, so we have some tech and racing to talk about. We also delve into the weird and wonderful world of the Masters Racing, and more specifically masters race teams.
Coaching camps and what about Remco and his reaction to a person sitting on his wheel.
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Buy yourselves a coffee great show really like the format
Thanks so much Matt .. that is so cool ❤️
Most masters teams ‘sponsors’ are the riders themselves and put their logo on the team kit to promote their company.
We’ve had Kask sponsor us in the past. We got a healthy discount on their product and it gave some kudos to the kit having their logo on it. I think people do want to look pro. We’re never ever going to be racing even close to pro level but being able to rock up to a race all in the same kit and be all part of your own little tribe is pretty unique IMO. At masters age there aren’t many sports you can do that in.
You had better be real f-in fast, or you're just a bunch of posers!
I just thought masters teams were a way a group of friends could plug there own businesses..therefore the kits are written off as a advertising budget and can clamed on tax ect.
True lol
That’s the way I would approach it I think. Personally, racing when I was younger but never achieving the goal of pro-level, riding in a team with team kit and the whole sponsorship deal is a little like a play at living the dream, so to speak.
no way... they are pro LOL
Exactly… just because we are 40+ and not at a pro level, don’t mean we don’t want to pretend we are cool.
10-30 cassettes are available in Force and Rival as a FYI
I just looked it up also and found a few available for sale after a quick and cursory search. 10-30 cassettes are available
I can't stand it when I pass someone, who's obviously commuting or out for a cruisy ride, who speeds up & jumps on your wheel to take the draft. I'll look around and if that's the case, I'll slowly start winding up the power until they can't sit on anymore. I'm out for a training ride: I don't want to have to worry about knocking someone off when I stand up, dodge parked cars or pot holes.
I remember one time that happened to me when I was out for a spin. Passed a guy and he speeds up & sits on me. Further on into him sitting on me, he THEN has the audacity to come up next to me & lose his shit at me, because I wasn't pointing out pot holes or obstacles. It's like, mate, I'm riding by myself and I'm listening to music. You're the least of my worries. F*ck off.
AITA (am I the asshole)?
Remco should just roll with the publicity. And fans never forget when a famous person is kind to them. And I experienced that about a year ago when I found a pristine issue of an old magazine with a famous singer on the cover. He's still alive and I thought, hmm, I'll just send it to him, maybe he missed this particular magazine and not easy to save all your press. So I found an address for his agent, sent it, never expected to hear anything, simply satisfied to mail it and thank him in a note for his work as a singer and entertainer. And, months later, to my surprise, he wrote me a really nice letter, saying he read and enjoyed the interview and how it brought back a lot of good memories.
Maybe he had a bad day, hadn't taken his morning shit yet or whatever. I get that he is a celebrity and is expected to always be nice to everybody, but he was also at work at that time. Imagine sitting in front of your computer focusing on a piece of important work and all that time some stranger is standing behind you and looking over your shoulder. You wouldn't enjoy that.
I live in Calpe. The pros are very accommodating to letting you sit on for a while but this guy is taking the p!ss and risks ruining it for the rest of us. Just so he can post some videos
@@82vitt You make a good point but some jobs are better with fan involvement, there can be a rush in that, like when I was a radio disc jockey hosting a live show at a concert venue or something, a lot of energy with lots of listeners crowding around. And there has to be a certain give-and-take such as, in this vid, what they said about riders being silent and sneaky about drafting, not cool, say something. And as a rider, I welcome the sight of other riders of all bikes and abilities, I get a charge out of it. And I like it when friendly motorists wave and honk-honk like I'm leading the Tour. And my all-time favorite moment like that was at a quiet traffic-light intersection along the backside fence of San Francisco International Airport during the Summer of 1979. And although I had free reign that year on my father's BMW R100RS motorcycle, I was happily riding my BMX bike, a CYC Stormer, on a long ride that sunny day. And as I waited for that traffic light to turn green, I was poised to sprint. And in the opposing lane, also waiting for the light, there was a new blue Cadillac, cool. And when I got the green I sprinted furiously and the gent in the Caddy honked and gave a thumbs up. And I acknowledged with a nod but I was sprinting. And then it hit me, that was Kenny Roberts, American world-champion motorcycle racer on Yamaha. And I was a big fan and I figured he was driving over from Modesto to fly to Europe for the next race on the GP curcuit. So that's why I say world-famous riders like Remco should make the most of their encounters with fans. It may become a favorite memory for someone, even inspiration, too. 😀
I look forward to this show. You discuss topics not many on UA-cam, that I know of, are talking about. Such as equipment, amateur racing, etc. Highly entertaining content. Cheers!
I agree, only recently found this show in December, initially some of the topics felt niche, but I'm starting to enjoy this discussion more and more. Keep up the good work!
Wow, thanks!
Cheers, guys, and Thank You for the Nero Show! The topic SRAM/Shimano for pro/average rider deserves a whole show! Looking forward to seeing Chris and Jesse's points of view on that!
Totally with Jesse on the bike builds! 😊 For me it's part education/interesting to see how they fit stuff together but mainly there's something so satisfying about watching them professionally put the bike together.
I HATE people being on my wheel. Happens to me all the time here in Brisbane when i am solo riding and it’s weird AF. FYI Durian rider is a douch.
I don't understand why you hate it. How is the rider behind affecting you in any way? They're not. You are the douch.
Big love for sram looks here too! Two tone colour. If they make the shifting faster it will be great. Remember the original is like 3/4 years old at this point. The full-wireless is so much easier to work on too (when you don’t want to pay someone else to do everything for you). All I hope for in the new sram is fast shifting, smaller hoods, better clearance on the discs.
I like watching the vintage bike restoration videos from Andy on the "Bikeit UK" channel. Everytime they get released I watch them right away.
and he always seems to find a matching bidon to finish it off!....i'm pretty envious he can just lay his hands on any part he needs to be honest.
Great series boys....keep it going. Random topics, laughs and the banter, this is fresh.
Glad you enjoy it!
I've done a lot of touring style camps, its a great way to explore another country. The afternoons are usually about sightseeing. As you guys pointed out, the problem with touring is the re-grouping and pacing for different abilities. I would be the one sitting around in the hotel reception at the end of the ride, waiting for the others to finish. The ideal length is a week. Less than that is too rushed because there's time either side unpacking and packing bike and kit. More than a week, you might need to factor in a rest day.
I could watch bike build videos all day. So satisfying!
Speaking of Vegan Cyclists setup, he also has an oval chainring. Would love to hear Chris and Jesse’s views on the oval chainring. I hear that it doesn’t really make a difference in your power output but what about in terms of ergonomics and peddling smoothness on long rides etc?
My experience in the US is that sponsors for masters teams fall into two camps: #1 - industry sponsors are worked through the local bike shop and typically they are able to get gear at cost, occasionally free, #2 - external sponsors are businesses for which the racers work, so these aren't rando businesses that specifically sought out a masters team to sponsor.
First time tuning in to your podcast/video, really insightful stuff. ❤Big love from the USA.
'insightful' ... that might be a stretch mate 😂. Thanks for the comment though, really appreciate it.
I agree with Jessie on the dream builds! A really small amount for learning purposes, but they are satisfying and addictive 😅
Absolutely! I love ‘em!
Loving these pods, gents. Great #VeloChat. Keep 'em coming.
Absolutely love the dream build videos. I”ll never actually build one. Its kinda like all those cooking programs. Fabulous food but when it come to actually doing it, beans and toast wins every time.
Charles Ouimet is doing a series on his experience at the EF Coaching Camp.
And on one of the days they organised an afternoon out at the museum.
Colby is brilliant on those, great knowledge and no bs
Question for Jesse re: Training Camps.... Could you establish a base 'camp' (ie country town), with set daily rides for all campers to complete as best they can. With focus on riding as an individual and not as a group. You don't even have to ride with them. You then go over their individual data after each ride and provide feedback 1-on-1, ultimately establishing a longer term training/riding plan for each person to take away (have a team bonding/goal setting evening at the start maybe) ... In terms of the rest of the day - if the base camp was a small town, then each rider could be gifted vouchers for local businesses and they can entertain themselves.
Chris called it a few weeks back - Wahoo is in dire straights.
Look forward to hearing your insight next week
"apology's for stuff from last episode" could be a weekly segment... ;)
Next weeks show “Chris joins a masters race team”
Great Show guys!
My club has a well structured training camp that has been running for over a decade. The key I think is size, our camp is ~50 people split into 4-5 groups based on ability. Each group will do a different route so aiming to have lunch at the same town for example. It is not easy to plan or co-ordinate but I think size is the key to getting over the difference of ability issue. It's a week long, with 7 riding days in three day blocks (hard ride, easy ride, hard ride, rest day, repeat). Start late (10:30-11), have a late lunch and back 4-5ish which allows time to sort yourself out then stuff your face at dinner.
I’d definitely be down for a training camp. 3 hour group rides everyday with development based training, learning skills etc.
Plus add in some guest speakers who cover nutrition, bike set up, recovery, etc.
Silver cranks pop on a titanium frame. They ruin a carbon frame with otherwise black components, black seatpost, stem, bartape. The black SRAM chainrings that Movistar runs are so much better
Training camp with group level set, say B grade and up, (if Jesse organising) with group rides and training until lunch. Set expectations that the afternoon/evening is free/not planned. Emphasise that it is a proper training camp. If the accommodation is in an area with enough things to do, or a resort with pools, spa, sauna, I think it would work. Tbh I've been put off by some camps that I know have a mixed level and more of a touring/social aspect. Some of us just want to rip it out and feel like a pro.
Thanks Chris and Jesse!!
The prologue was a great event very spectator friendly and right next to the train station etc
First and foremost, Love the show! Early 30's dude here who just recently started cycling at a amateur competitive level. Siding with Jesse on this one.
I find it far more fulfilling to race with a team. I'll never forget the moment that racing went from "how fast can I race my bike" to "how smart can I race my bike" add in the team layer over top of that. "How smart can I race my bike so our team can win this" and (for me) it is 10X more fun / fulfilling than just pressing the pedals hard for 60 mins.
Even as a Cat4 racer, I and my team try to put together race strats, designate some roles, and complete for each other toward shared success. Most of the time our efforts are sloppy, and change mid race, but hell who cares its super fun and we get to learn along the way. So long as it is fun, its hard to go wrong. Things start to fall apart when you take it too seriously though, as with most hobbies.
Interesting part on these coaching camp. We usually go to the canary islands in January or February for 10days with friends for some good riding while escaping winter in Europe. But I would never imagining rocking up solo to some kind of coaching business organised camp.
I like watching the dream build videos, like watching them on a night with the music it really relaxing
Glad to hear!
Jesse is spot on with masters. A club doesn't equate to anything more keep in mind - we are forced into a club by way of auscycling. My local club doesn't do anything at all apart from weekly races - no other events, no rides etc....look at the US crit racing scene, anything cat-3 and higher is all teams and you can't really race yourself. Why is the US scene the way it is?
Agree with Jesse, i live in SoCal and it never fails when i'm riding with a couple buddies down the coast some random dude will try and hitch a ride to stay out of the wind and they just show up, don't say anything and sit on. Every once in a while one will do it and ask if we mind if he sits on.....no problem then. If you're doing 40/20's or something, no way!!!
What I like about the bike build videos is that when I can't sleep because my shift pattern is a mess, watch a few of them and I'm so relaxed and ready for bed.
HAHA!!! much like this show then 😂
Here in Australia, team tactics are actually against the rules for many club and master's races,. It is something that most race organisers and club officials ignore because it is very difficult to define "team tactics" during a race. But officially, club racing is meant to be individual v individual. Clubs may allow other clubs to participate in their Saturday afternoon racing, but even still it is officially individual racing "Open" races are different and different rules apply.
I have been racing on and off for 30 years and the "team" within a club is a relatively new concept. In the past, you rode with a club and if you progressed an raced in "opens" you would get support from your club for race fees and travel and maybe some kit etc.. This funding came through the club's sponsorship. Just like a footy club., the A graders wore the same kit as the D graders.
The issue I now have with some "teams" is the sponsorship benefits go to a small group of riders who are using the club name, instead of the whole club. That money could be used to support juniors etc or initiatives that benefit all members. We are a minor sport and we need to support those coming through, not those who never did.
In our small regional club the pretend teams have resulted in shit racing. You get a few "team" riders here and there thinking they know what they're doing vs a bunch of riders who ride for themselves. The race dynamics are crap - it used to be more fun without pretend teams.
Great show. I always welcome someone sitting on, but ask first. Last year , after being asked, with just a few miles left in a 30, I turned myself inside out on a climb for another rider. All good! Dream builds are awesome! Tools, techniques, and gorgeous gear. I agree with 1x, I’m converting a bike now for a go in the spring.
Thanks for the thoughts LJ
on one bike i have shimano dura-ace 9100di2 and on the other sram red axs, and i'll go for the sram everyday, for the looks as well the ergonomics.
keep up the good work, love the show
Im against teams in masters, because in smaller town like mine, you turn up to race and theres 1 team and a heap of individuals and its always the team that wins. And its killing local racing, because if your not in a team you have no chance. So kills the enjoyment.
Training camps - I think what someone like me would get most out of it would be being around more experienced riders and coaches who can provide advice on training, tactics, etc. For those who don't already have a coach a one-off camp where they can gain knowledge, skills and direction would be invaluable (and maybe is a good taster for what having a coach might be like...). The actual riding itself isn't that important (I don't think the point of the camp is to gain big fitness over the week), but it would be enticing if somewhere interesting and some new roads. Most people probably wouldn't travel to another random place to ride around for a few days without a group...
Bike building videos? It’s so relaxing.
I love Dream Build just something amazing about those videos a guilty pleasure for sure.
With my friends we started our own masters team. We would put the logos of our own companies in our kit because, technically, that's how we are able to race. We are proud of our brands so we want to wear them. Also its good for our own marketing. It's purely aspirational and yes, we want to look like a pro team, even if we are not.
I think there's a possible answer the sponsorship question. If a company (who might just happen to be owned by a team member) can write off sponsorship money as "advertising expenses" then it is possible that 4 x $20,000 bikes just came paid out of the pre-tax column of the ledger.
Jesse is utterly clueless on the masters team issue. Chris is spot on, masters racing will die quickly if all the big masters races become dominated by a few teams who actually ride together as a team and consequently win everything.
Nooo....but those hoods!!!! Perfect reaction haha.
Nothing wrong with the TDU prologue. Good concept. Great live spectator event too.
Lots of discussion points on the aero adaptations to the road bikes. Shame the weather impacted some riders
I was there in person and yeah it was great
I dont see the "blow up" or "crying" from Remco. Seems like a pretty calm and respectful response.
Very calm response given the guy was essentially stalking him and recording him without permission. A pro cyclist may be a public figure, but they still deserve their privacy.
The powershift from classified looks like a possible way for a “1x” , get rid of front derailleur & keep all 22 gears😎
Remco's fire is what drives him. No patience with the guy that didn't ask to have a sit, is perfectly in line with his F off winning attitude. Love it!
After crashing really badly in November of 2021, I waited until February 2022 to buy a Flanders razor road bike which has the exact same silhouette as the modern SL7 with 50mm prime wheels and a an 11 speed sram red e-tap group set. I put my own saddle on it and it is the best bike I have ever owned and it cost me 1/8 of a new SL7 with SRAM group set and it has a Shimano ultra cassette which cost $90!!
Interesting discussion on masters race teams. I moved to NYC about 5 years ago from Sydney and the club racing scene is very different to Australia. The main club in NYC is CRCA and within the club there are 10 or so race teams all with different sponsors. There are heaps more race teams across the greater NYC area and the club hosts a combination of internal races (just for our teams) and open races (any one or any team can enter with a USAC license). Some of the race series have leaders, KOM and sprint jerseys as well. It makes the racing more tactical and interesting. IMO its just a bunch of mates racing and training together on the same team, great fun to be honest.
On sponsorship, about 4 years ago Factor gave us a great discount on frames and black inc components which was great for us but considering I have zero social media presence I’m not sure what benefit it provided them. More importantly we were sponsored by a beer company and got some free beers after the Tuesday night crit series over the summer.
Good structure for camps I've seen in the past: Morning ride, lunch etc..., yoga/similar recovery early PM. Training 'class' session late PM e.g. training plan construction, nutrition/fueling strats, plan adaptations e.g. what to do if injured, fatigued etc... Mind you this was >20yrs ago so thinking/demand has probably evolved
Training camps: the key is not just focusing on the riding (I think). Do your rides in the morning. Afternoon/PM is a time for cross training (swimming, running, weights), other activities (pilates, stretch, ice baths/river dips) or info sessions (nutritionist, bike mechanics, presentation from a brand?) I think the appeal for training camps is: pushing yourself, learning new things, haveing support vehicles etc, meeting new people and being guided on unfamiliar rides. Ideal length, 5 - 7 days. A touring camp would be a completely different approach. Insider tip - join triathlon training camps if you like variety and cross training. Hope this helps!
good stuff guys
Totalny agree with 2 bike idea: one aero one by (punchy, everyday rides), one climbing mountains/fondos with 2x. Been doing this for two years now and it works great. You can switch bikes (once in a while) to make your cycling experiance more entertaing (i’ve noticed one bike only made my cycling tidious).
There is also offroad option as an alternative. If you can afford/keep that amount of gear 😜
Coaching camp - You as a Coach can do it with a tourist agency or something like that where you only do the coaching part and they organize everything else. This if how lots of photography tours happen, how various camps of different sorts happen. Basically they do everything else but coaching, so you are involved in those 5-6h a day and you are off as a coach and tourist agency takes it over after the training. Joint venture really.
This is the best show on UA-cam by a country mile
Thanks John
You can easily buy 54/40 DA in Europe. Bigger "Pro only" Sram Red chainrings as well. The cassette has to become available later this season in order to be UCI legal.
I’m all for training camps, but agree they can be super cringe. I think you can largely avoid the afternoon awkwardness with a well structured day. Afternoons can always be filled with things such us recovery/skills training/general development, but also if people are aware that afternoons are free time then they can organise the cringey team building activities for themselves if that’s what they are looking for. In regards to abilities you could either structure days according to their category or the training camp could be targeted to a specific category of rider
Been in the same "masters team" for ten years plus. Some amazing friendships have resulted. Pretty nice for me. Sponsorship is mainly from the riders, just tipping in for the kit.
You note Masters riders working full time but I thought Chris was a FT pro? 😆
In reference to the topic of social media posts. I'm more of a whitewater kayaker than a cyclist(though I cycle more than I kayak...), and I love taking photos of friends doing stupid(rad, crazy, fun) things in their boats. I often tag clothing and boat manufacturers in the photos, especially if their logos are prominent. Over the years my photos have been featured in guidebooks, catalogs, magazines, social media posts, and promotional posters. I've never made money from this, but I have been offered the super-bro-deals on boats and kit, received swag, and it's just freaking cool to have photo credit on those things. It makes me want to go more, and take better photos.
Thanks for the comment and sharing that info Dan. My takeaway is I should be less cynical 😉
I live, ride and race crits in South Florida USA where our biggest climbs are drawbridges and overpasses. I run a 1X 54 with a DA 25 cassette. Absolutely no reason to run anything else down here.
In our region we have several great bike clubs. The club I belong to operates a velodrome, operates learn to ride and learn to race for kids and we’ve had a couple people go through our programs to become Olympic gold medalists, euro pros and so on. We have one “club kit” and it does have sponsors on it. they contribute to our club by providing primes for the the races we run through the season and providing discounts to club members to help our members feel good. When I ride master races I have one kit, or various versions of the same kit from the past decade. I ride that kit in masters races as do other club members from my club and other clubs. I get really good chamois and really good jerseys from the club that would cost me a lot more to go to a bike store and get a generic kit. We have a strong masters club that is a “second claim” club and in theory when we race a masters event it is every person for him/her self. But it always becomes “team tactics”. Even if people aren’t on the same team… team tactics.
A lot of teams are great and you can ride whatever bike you want. Reason why you have sponsorships is to help pay for entry fees which to race the super series in Adelaide a teams race series with like 12 different teams at least. Entry fee into those is in the thousands. Teams will have juniors, cat 1, cat 2,3 and masters within them. There you can have your own group of 6-8 riders you ride with and race with.
Race team... race club... I used to be a Parramatta rider and would do the Parra Park chop run by Parklife. Parklife has a bunch of fast guys, who turn up to races in club kit and race team tactics. A few Parra members left to go to Parklife for that team racing. Power to them I say. There are clubs and they all do things different, pick a club that works for you. Join one club for a start, then when you get good, move.
I read through some of the comments regarding Master's teams. The only thing I can add is to not look at it as if these guys/gals can afford their own equipment (I think it had very little to do with it). Look at it from a motivation & supply/demand point of view. YOu were starting it approach that toward the end of your Master's Teams segment.
Gee Milner dream builds... I'm like a kid watching Tonka toy earthmoving vids 😂
Im with you .... training camp for me please. Nothing worse than 6 or 7 hours with 20 stops!!!
From someone that frequently rides a TCR and stops at Stanwell Tops that comment about posting a photo of a Giant sure cut deep
I'm a slow old fart and sometimes after doing a bit of a push along Nepean Hwy down here I look over my shoulder and have picked up a couple of wheel suckers. Five of us rode down to Sorrento and back over Christmas, it seemed every single rider we passed wanted to sit on :)
I've got a 1x road bike almost as Jesse described, 36cm bars (hoods in) 60mm wheels, 48t on the front, 11-34 on the back with Di2. But after a couple of years, I'm now selling it. I love the idea of 1x - the simplicity and the clean look at the front of the drivetrain with the uninterrupted seat tube. I had it as a second bike and used it a fair amount but not having the range of 2x is just crap. Until 13/14 speed is readily available, or you have the coin for a classified hub, don't bother.
Just use the Rival hoods...smaller and more compact. I put them on a Force set...I love them
Definitely a market for camps each afternoon section could have a different expert eg nutrition, race craft, mechanics/equipment for example. They could be aimed at the high end enthusiast/privateer. Depending on where it was held you could throw in a completely different team activity one afternoon eg carting, golf, climbing etc.
Agree with Chris. SRAM red looks the worst of any crankset. Also the bikes they ride are likely different spec to what they actually sell. Lighter.
You keep saying NEED for the masters team riders….it’s want. They probably had sponsors before and that’s the way they enjoy the sport….along with their SL7s and Dogmas. Love the content!
Interesting observation about tyre choice in the Prologue. I used to run the Vittoria Corsa's, but as every day ride, great for dry days, but had a few sketchy moments on corners on damp days to swap them out. Would I use them again on dry days, most definitely.
You forgot to add the Canyon Ultimate to your list of cookie cutters....you know, that bike you said no one was buying a few weeks ago (because everyone is apparently buying the aeroad). And guess what, it even comes with a 10-30 cassette in force or rival axs😉
winged keel !!! chapeau chris and to ben lexcen (RIP)
The fastest aspect of a tyre is confidence. I'd take grip over RR numbers any day.
The Sram 10-30 cassette has been around for ages. SRAM Force XG-1270 12 Speed Cassette - Silver 10-30. There is just no RED version of the 10-30. Pick one up at Bikebug.
jesse is right about social media (in the masters section). I tag brands in photos, and its nice if brands then share my image. thats it. the end. thats all the kudos I need. if it doesnt happen then at least my friends know what gear i use. and it might help as a conversation started.
SRAM RED cassettes are expensive for sure. That being said, this comes down to the way they are manufactured. The cassettes themselves are made from steel and machined from one piece (the end cog is pressed on). This offer far superior wear to say aluminum or titanium. By staying on top of chain wear these cassettes get insane amounts of wear from them. Expensive in the short term for sure but cheaper in the long run as you will get a lot more km from these.
Makes sense, worth it from that point of view. How many km's do you find you get from a cassette using well maintained chains?
@@nerocoaching to be honest, I haven't kept a 12 speed AXS bike long enough in the last few years, but with my older 11-speed cassette (RED eTap, so same construction), I had done 18,000 on the cassette. I've seen similar from riders on the new stuff when keeping stuff clean, checking wear etc. The same goes on the price of say the Eagle cassettes in Mtb, they last ages
RE: coaching camp.
Always something I've been keen on doing, why? Because I'm a father of three with a full time job and I never get the opportunity to take a week off to focus on training.
IMO people do them to feel pro. They want to stay in a hotel do 4 hr rides each day, practice some sprint trains and race each other up a climb. They want coaching advice also. You could add in yoga/stretching sessions as well as info sessions around, rest, nutrition, strength training etc. Maybe bring in a masseuse or even a bike fitter or something for something different.
Biggest issue is difference in abilities. Potentially have multiple coaches/ride leaders do an assessment type thing and Taylor the rides accordingly and do the group stuff together.
If you did it in a tourist location outside of what you offer people can do their own thing.
The new Scott Foil RC is a new bike that isn't the same silhouette of the Specialized Tarmac SL7, it looks more similar to a Cervelo S5.
Re Remco, I've had the opposite happen fairly often. I've had one or a few riders come up and pass and then ease off. At that point I either have to slow down below where I was riding or move back into the lane to start passing them which inevitably leads to them speeding back up. If I don't pass or move to pass, I'm kind of stuck latched on to their wheel or I what I usually do it back off 5 meters or so to leave a gap so I'm not on the last wheel. Super annoying if I'm in an specific interval or effort. If I want to latch onto a person or groups wheel, I always ask if it's OK.
I like that they all look like my previous gen TCR
the prolog reminded me of a Zwift group ride.
Gloves are fashionable again!
Yeah I really want to try a 1x road bike. (well, sort of a road/gravel bike but with pretty much road gearing). And I want to use the new SRAM Apex AXS for it.
I've got Sram MTB stuff with ice tech rotors, and Shimano on the road bikes. Anything new I buy going forward will probably be all Sram axs, abed always Shimano ice tech rotors as big as frame will allow.
Here's my bikes story.
Grew up dirt jumping. Still have a Free Agent super fortress. 2007 bought a Giant XTC, rode the beach paths and eventually got into legit trail riding and ride the piss out of it. 2011 my buddy was managing a shop that sold Specialized. I was able to "work" for store credit towards a bike at employee pricing, no paycheck, meant no taxes, plus the EP perk was awesome! I ended up with a 2012 Specialized Enduro. 2014 I built an Allez race with full 6800 Ultegra including wheels. 53/39 and 11/32 with three long cage derailleur. I like to go fast downhill but still need to get up em. A couple years ago a friend gave me his first gen Venge with enve 3.4/dt240's. He's big and it was too flexy for him. It had 52/36 cranks and 10spd. I eventually swapped cranks with the venge, and matched it with 6800 shifters, r8000 brakes and derailleur, as well as a new 105 long cage on Allez to run both with 11/34. The Venge is my go fast along the coast bike. The Allez is my climb big mountains and descend without frying carbon wheels, and tow the kid in the trailer, bike. Then I bought my wife a Diverge and smart trainer instead of a peloton. It has grx and 11spd 11/34, so that was my justification for also running that on the other bikes, I can now use anything on the trainer too. I was also recently given another couple bikes. Buddy lives in a studio and was ready to set these bikes at the curb... A first gen Santa Cruz tallboy LT carbon, that need some tlc. Got everything working smooth, it rides amazing, and climbs like a mountain goat. He also gave me a Transition pb&j dirt jumper.
The XTC was loaned to my brother and got stolen. Otherwise it would be built as a gravel bike.
My next bike will be a gravel bike. Nothing is being sold. I also never really buy anything with the thought of resale in mind.
Honestly, just speaking for myself, but if you organised a 3-4 hour ride in the morning followed by a long lunch at a nice restaurant/pub afterwards that was included in the price of the camp, I’d feel pretty content. It would also take up most of the afternoon and still allow an early night to ensure you could ride again next morning. However I’m sure there are more serious riders than me out there that wouldn’t want to touch a beer during a training camp.
The Team doesn't need the sponsor. The sponsor wants the team... those folks and their mates are the target market for the brand.
That's a view I haven't thought of, interesting... Makes sense
Here in Singapore, it's a way for bike brands to show off their latest bikes out on the road , on social media and at mass participation races such as Tour de Bintan, where people come to race from all over Asia and Australia. Also it's a way for new brands which no one has heard of such as Gusto, to bring their brand into the Singapore market. Racing teams here in Sing, tend to be a mixture of Masters and Juniors. So sponsorship helps the Juniors obtain better equipment and access to races which they otherwise wouldn't have access to. In one case it helped a local rider make it into a World Tour team.
Last that I heard Rotor America has shimano 12 speed compatible rings both in round and oval rings in 50/34 52/36 and 53/39.
Hey guys. This episode was absolutely on point. I’ve heard Aero bikes are dead and a friend just bought a high end aero Trek. As a decent club hobby cyclist he can ride a few hours averaging 20 mph.
My question is, what speed do you need to stay around to actually benefit from the aero bike? Pros sit in at 25 mph. I’m sure they hamper you up steeper long climbs too. I don’t think they’ll benefit slower riders but they like to look pro. 🤔
Proposed Masters Teams
Rules: 😉
1. All masters riders must be required to smile and laugh at all times.
(Scowling cyclists on $20K bikes are ruining the vibe of the sport).
2. Ban logos that are larger than 2 inches (5.5 Cms). Seeing cyclists dressed like wanna be pros is so friggin cheesy.
3. Masters Teams are not allowed to talk about their stats or post to Strava.
Ok, admittedly I’m 1/2 joking here but the main problem with road cycling right now isn’t the sport or the activity, it’s a handful of cyclists who take themselves way too seriously.
Compared to say pro surfing where style and attitude (I.E having a good time) matter cycling has a long way to improve. Part of the reason why Gravel biking is becoming so popular.
Re: Remco
Hahaha!!! Absolutely! Use a good ole snot-rocket 🤧💨to get rid of an unwanted rider on your rear wheeel! Lol😅 How can Remco even call himself a pro if he doesn’t know basic tactics like that?!? Friggin amateur Remco, waving your hand like a sissy! 😅
All joking aside…if you do ride up on someone be courteous and ask if it’s cool or offer to share the work. Say hello…
Remco… still a bit of a baby move. 🍼👶