Man United Fan INSISTS England's Midfield ALWAYS Lets Them Down In Big Games! 😤
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- Man Unite fan calls into talkSPORT breakfast to let out his displeasure at England and their Midfield always letting them in big games.
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It’s the footballing culture of this country we look for first physical players instead of smart players
the penny will never drop
There’s balance in that, rodri does both. Bellingham dribbles, tackles hard, works, scores and what does rice actually do? Mainoo at 18 was taking the ball anywhere but Spain didn’t allow it. That’s where your other midfielders have to help him. I dont get it, the ball was going straight through the midfield from goalkeeper to number 10 like what? I don’t get it.
@@camzabiy2637Rodri developed into that, as a kid he was skinny and would’ve been released from academy’s through a lack of physicality
Rodri is literally 6'3@@theblues8840
@@camzabiy2637Bellingham Is great technically at all from the time tchouameni and camavinga are better technical players than you than you know your not great don’t get me wrong camavinga and tchouameni are top players but they not a pogba or Matuidi England dint have à technically gifted player who can play those passes break the lines and dictate Plato see people talking about mainoo doing that that’s bot he’s game he’s not a dictator he’s just like another version of kalvin Philips but a better version and Bellinghams best attribute is driving with the ball he’s not great technically
Spot on observation. Carrick is a good example and England hated him. The midfield is not cute enough. Now Mainoo is a good kid but him and Rice are not cute enough. Bellingham had to move around to see the ball. The structure is messy for top class football. There is lack of discipline. Pep would drop players for wandering about, even if they did not see the ball for 15 minutes. The defensive midfielder is disappearing. Busquets could play. Rodri can play. Mainoo can play. Rice is not needed if the team presses which is the modern mantra. Get pundits on who get the game.
Both Carrick and Scholes were v good, but neither were any where near the level of these Spanish midfielders (and no, using quotations from top European midfielders such as Zidane/Iniesta/Xavi etc. does not change that harsh reality)
Spot on mate. England problem is the midfield. It is not southgate, it is not Kane. England problem is lack of world class midfieleder. Look at Spain midfield. Midfield wins championships
Rice can definitely play. He was great for Arsenal last year and West Ham for the previous 3 or 4 years. He's playing to the instructions hes given.
Rice has had a dreadful tournament. Completely failed in his duties how can you sit here and blame Mainoo who was marked out of the game along with foden because the Spanish players know that there is little danger in allowing rice to have the ball.
@@irieite9666 great at a small level, found out a big one.
That caller Nick is 100% correct. England are missing quality holding midfielders that can control the game. England hardly produce any. Pre Euros I thought Southgate should've gone with Henderson & Rice holding in a 4-2-3-1 formation. For me you can't play 2 No8's in Jude & Foden because you always lose midfield control. The team comes first not the players. That's the difference between Spain & England.
Henderson? Are you kidding? He’s not a 6 either and most importantly he’s finished as a footballer
Neither Henderson or Rice can run a midfield.
People must not catch feelings. Any English football fan who understands the game will agree with this caller. Rice is not a good CDM. English media and Arsenal supporters have tried to say that Rice is better than Rodri. I’m glad that this caller was fair in his assessment of Rice. However it’s fine Arsenal supporters you can dismiss this point but remember, even your coach doesn’t play Rice as a CDM and there’s a reason for that. The funny thing is that Declan sees himself as a Regista
Wharton could have been the Carrick equivalent enabling Rice to be an 8.
Never got a chance unfortunately
Wharton, Mainoo, Foden/Jude is the future midfield, Rice can’t be an automatic pick anymore for me
The last thing Rice should be is an 8, he is horrible on the ball!
@@roryanaughe5217 did you not watch Arsenal last season?
@@DJCoates91it’s funny how quickly it’s changed, the fact that Jude and Rice might both not be England starters in the future sounds ridiculous…but probably needs to happen. England need as many technicians on the ball as we can get on the pitch, Foden is more that type than Bellingham in the 10 role and Mainoo is certainty more technical than Rice…looks like Wharton probably is too. That midfield 3 could have the balance, eventually!
Caller about midfielders couldn't be more right.....we have never valued the role of a Busquets, or a Rodri, because kids here want to be Ronaldo, or Messi, and they all want to be the one to score the goal.....in Spain everyone wanted to be the next Puyol, or Busquets, or Xavi, in Italy they want to be Pirlo or Maldini, or Chiellini....positions we don't value, our kids aren't exposed to those kind of values in football.
Also I’d add to that that a lot of our players were scouted as strikers as kids. Scouts only look at players scoring goals and ball hogging.
Seems ball playing midfielders don’t get a look in when they’re in youth teams.
I’d say this may be getting better. But it’d be interesting to see a moneyball style analysis of who we are scouting and how they’re being coached
Watch Adam Wharton who is coming through.
England has also produced the likes of Paul Scholes and Michael Carrick who were top level deep lying playmaker. We have just never played a style that builds around a 6. Like we should have built our team around Scholes in the 2000s.
You know the saying In boxing 'styles make fights'. It would also seem in football countries make positions.
Couldn’t be more right. Scouts in England are either looking at the tallest and fastest or all round most athletic. Or the player in bright pink boots who doesn’t pass the ball and looses it 10 times but scores a worldie goal. Players who pass it easy and are team players get ignore whereas in other countries they’d be celebrated
I think that’s just an opinion without proof . The truth is… Spanish footballers are better player technically . So they can up the pace and their technique will support the. . Most English players are technically inferior to Spanish. Always will be and always go have .
Absolutely spot on! Been saying this for years, we value players like Rice or Gerrard who are all action but can't control a match to save their lives. The 2 midfielders who could control games like Carrick and Scholes were never used properly. We have to accept that we are a counter attacking team at best and plan accordingly, i.e. pace on the wings and upfront to stretch teams and hit on transition
Should’ve been the plan vs Spain anyway, England need to embrace their heritage of kick and rush football and play the players who suit that style
Rice controls games mate
@@thrilla72 oh really, why did Jorginho come in then?
@@Burge32What a nonsensical comment Don't ever put Rice and Gerrard in the same sentence. Gerrard was the most complete midfielder of his generation. Rice doesn't even come close. Plus, Scholes was useless for England.
@@AJ-nd4nk what a load of rubbish. Gerrard couldn't control a remote control car and thanks for making my point. Scholes was rubbish for England because we don't know how to use midfielders of his calibre in our national team.
Kane, Rice, Stones and Walker cannot be automatic starters. How can you expect the new crop of more technical players to flourish when the centre backs and ‘number 6’ can’t play through the lines. Lumping the ball forward time and time again just for Kane to lose his aerial challenge over and over. The FA has done excellent work in youth football but it’s time to leave this negative football behind. The whole game completely bypassed all of our young technical players in foden, saka , mainoo and bellingham because they just don’t receive quick direct passes through the lines making it so easy to just mark them out of the game
I'm picking Rodri, Fabian Ruiz and Dani Olmo any day of the week in club or international football .. They've got flair, technique, tactically endowed and teamwork
I always said that’s the issue with English football, there’s not a single English midfielder who actually has those quality’s to control the game from deep and have the passing vision and tactical IQ.
Until then there’s always an issue when playing the top dogs , the midfield battle is lost
Spot on mate. England problem is the midfield. It is not southgate, it is not Kane. England problem is lack of world class midfieleder. Look at Spain midfield. Midfield wins championships
The simple fact is the system doesn't work. Bellingham and Foden are the same type of players. Rice is not a holding midfielder. We had no control, but we also didn't have any creativity. Bellingham is lauded as a Ballon d'Or. No chance. We have no Ozil or Modric. The truth is we also don't have an English coach as good as Klopp. The EPL is ghe most watched league but it's not because of our Enlish talent in an English league because of foreign ownership. Germany have Musiala and Wirtz. Spain has Lamal, Williams, Pedro and Gavi. They all play in their country a head of average foreign players. In England, we rather have a foreign kid in our academy than a local lad. Hence we don't have players proud and honoured to play for their club anymore. We need a root and branch change in the English game not just the manager of the England team.
Kyle Walker is very fortunate he plays under Pep in a style n system where City keep the ball 70% of the time and hide many of his flaws. His pace makes up for many mistakes still however far too often he’s out of position or falling asleep with runners going in behind!
I don't think Saka helped me at all, the space everytime the ball went out to Nico, the amount of space he had was amazing, the Spanish media are also saying this..
Not to mention his shocking end product when in good position to cross.
If Trent made the mistakes Walker made imagine the backlash , it would be tenfold
Rice's game has been modified by Arsenal to our detriment. Rarely did Rice ever give the ball away, now he's expected to run the centre single handedly and it's a big ask. I would like to see Bellingham dropped have palmer move inside with foden. But we still need a forward whom is to score 20 goals a season. Only kane fits the bill. Rice pressed more than anyone his ground coverage proved this..
He does it badly. Not a good footballer. All of England defeats have been because of our woeful central midfield.
@KevinSheedy10 I suggest you start looking at stats. Euros for one. Without him, we would've been spanked every game.
@@fryerturk127 I don't need to. I just watch the game. If Rice's stats are good that's an argument against stats.
We have Wharton and I also believe Mainoo could also play the role as a defensive midfield playmaker but having impressed in a his cameo performance before the tournament, Wharton went unused in a role he'd have been perfect for. With three mediocre teams in the easiest group in the tournament, shouldn't Gomez, Wharton, Gordon and the other two forwards, been used more often? The first caller had a point about the English blind spot regarding the defensive playmaker role but he's wrong about us not having any options in that position.
I've been saying that for years, that with the lack of contact coaching time available at international level, we should be playing a 4-3-3 formation. It's the common denominator amongst so many of England's modern players. The dynamics of the defensive midfield playmaker, ball winning midfielder and a box to box number 8 have been proven to work. Think of Alonso, Mascherano and Gerrard and repeat, with that in mind and you have a workable template. Add pace out wide, with Gordon, Saka, Eze and Palmer, then you start with Tony or Watkins and use Harry Kane as an impact sub. Not unlike Ronaldo should have been employed for Portugal. This should have been largely explored in the run up to the tournament, only by a matter of years. Playing Trippier at left back, Trent in midfield and bemoaning the lack of a Calvin Phillips when a late last minute experiment doesn't come to fruition? That certainly is the definition of madness. Oh dear me?
England have Mainoo whos a great dribbling and half spaces 8, they have rice whos a good box to box 8, Bellingham who's a goalscoring 8/10. The only controller 6 is Adam Wharton and he didn't play a single minute and no one bar palace fans were calling for him. Says alot about the footballing culture of this country. Long term the English midfield should be a 3 of Wharton Mainoo/Rice and Bellingham/Foden
We haven’t got a good ball playing #6. Tbf, both these callers were pretty spot on
Adam Wharton is and was there the whole time, he progresses the ball well, and since joining the prem had more tackles, interceptions than all of europes 6s, came off of nearly 10 unbeaten run at Crystal Palace and he was the 6 that enabled that
@@lenl860 I mentioned ball playing, you spoke about tackles and interceptions!
@@Bert-lw1ot read my first sentence again 😐
@@Bert-lw1ot if you watched the friendlies before the tournament Wharton showed he actually plays with plenty of scanning and looks to progress the ball through not just passing but driving the whole team. Positionally he is able to keep a more solid platform for higher defensive lines, which in turn, betters the chances for attacking as they start higher up the pitch
@@lenl860 “progress the ball” is buzzword waffle mate
Declan Rice is alright but boy his not a great great midfielder is he ? Works around and is physical but lacks the tactical and technical IQ which the great midfielders have which is passing vision, ability to hold on the ball to beat the press and play forward passes. He’s got none of that in his locker
1.) rice played 6 for West Ham he’s been a defensive midfielder most of his career.
2.) the only reason why rice played 8 for Arsenal is because we haven’t anyone else who can play that position since selling xhaka
3.) partey and Jorginho only play 6 at Arsenal not 8
4.) all this caller did was bash rice he didn’t offer any viable solutions, rice is the best option we have in the 6 role
5.) isn’t a defensive midfielders main job to (defend) first and foremost
6.) that’s the difference between rice and Rodri, Rodri can do both defend and play those world class passes which makes him levels above any other 6 in the world
7.) people need to stop blaming rice and look at the players he’s got around him, it’s no coincidence that when he plays for arsenal in the 6th or the 8th he doesn’t have the same problems that he has when he plays for England and that comes down to what the manager asks him to do or the players he has around him.
Rice isn't good enough as a 6 unless you pack a bus like Westham.
@@user-fh7hh5ou3p he is good enough, his job is just the toughest to do. Plus my point is there is no one else capable to do the role other than him.
@@SmithyAFC He won't be able to progress the ball against a press.He lacks the skill set.Just live with it.
@@user-fh7hh5ou3p who you replacing him with then Einstein?
@@SmithyAFC Don't worry even Arteta doesn't play him there ,he knows. As for England they should choose between Winks and Wharton.
Foden was invisible! Rice give absolutely nothing in midfield except sideways passing backwards passing! Shocking
Rice is just a level up from jordan henderson
@Carl...450 No wayyyyyy! He literally isn't, Hendo has much better legs than Rice and for all the plaudits Rice gets Hendo over delivered Rice is massively under delivering
Finally someone talking about the actual problem.... Rice is inept, faffing about with 5 yard backwards passes. its been 15 years since that role in a team required more than that, and England are still miles behind it.
He’s a centre back. And not even a ball playing one.
For me it’s a cultural thing. England need to change something at their roots to have a better chance in international tournaments and winning them. Putting the blame on any player they can is a typical English move and I don’t understand. Not one country in the world apart from England wanted them to win that trophy last night and that speaks volumes.
_England have changed their roots and we’re probably on the brink of seeing that. If you see the youth teams, you’d know._
Southgate instructions and tactics making Rice look like he can't play football. There's a reason why Pep and Arteta both tried to sign Rice for over 100m.
Progressive passes per 90 min:
Rice: 7.69
Wharton: 5.48
Gallagher: 4.95
Mainoo: 3.02
As you can see Rice is clearly capable of playing the ball forward.
Yes he can play the ball forward but not as the deepest midfielder.
Arteta doesn’t trust him to be a 6 he’s always alongside Jorginho or Partey doing it for him
Good point from the caller about the midfield. We should’ve switched to a 442 n put Rice further up and left Mainoo on. Put Gordon on
we didnt have a midfield in the final
We have this obsession in England that any player with technical ability has to be in the forward line. Foden is probably the closest player we have to Vitinha. If Vitinha was English he'd be a no. 10, but he's a 6 or 8 for Portugal. The caller is completely right, we need to value the deep midfield position way more and put some of our more technical players there.
it’s funny how quickly it’s changed, the fact that Jude and Rice might both not be England starters in the future sounds ridiculous…but probably needs to happen. England need as many technicians on the ball as we can get on the pitch, Foden is more that type than Bellingham in the 10 role and Mainoo is certainty more technical than Rice…looks like Wharton probably is too. That midfield 3 could have the balance, eventually!
England's goalkeeper just kicks the ball out While the Spain goalkeeper found morata or someone in midfield everytime , England needs to produce a ball playing goalkeeper as well
Just like Harry Kane shouldn’t of started in the champions league final for Spurs. Had he not have been selfish he might of won something by now
Greaves wasn’t dropped he was injured, if he’d played it would of been 6-2 or even 8-2
On Mainoo I kept saying he’s not ready it’s not his time yet and nobody listened!
I said the second Grealish and Maddison were dropped England have lost their creativity and production to be creative around the box and create chances and assists. Now in Englands last few games Maddison and Grealish did exactly that. And the second they were dropped we got a 0-1 defeat to Iceland. I saw it coming and nobody listened.
As usual I’ll get the what has Maddison done ? Well he was injured and evidence shows he was getting back to form by the time Euros started he would be more than ready but Southgate failed to give him hardly any minutes and yet he still provided goals! And the “oh he’s coming back from injury “ what a croc that guy was ready and Grealish was ready Southgate just wasn’t ready. He decided to stick with mainly his favorite players and players from his former clubs. The majority of the premier player selected came from teams that finished mid to lower table. It’s hard to win when the premiers top players to choose from play for other country’s that’s my thoughts.
Yet again people will come at me and yet again I’ll say “I told ya so” but ya didn’t listen. Southgate’s management of this squad and its selection was the reason why England didn’t win. In the end he had a team of individuals having individual moments. He never had a team with chemistry. Spain did and you saw the results.
Poorer better teams were managed and okayed better than England ever did and England only got to the final out of pure luck . And of course having a weak group and a weaker run in to the final. England lost because of Southgate and not because Kane was injured!
With Mainoo 370 m minutes 2-4 down
Without Mainoo 330/355 mins(this is potential 15 mins ore or less) 6-2 up
Was rarely available for the pass, made 206 all tournament, that's shocking for a midfielder.Jjogged about, was out ran by foden more than once in recovering the ball. Honestly he was shocking, but the media get paid to say his name with praise and England get paid through sponsorships to start players. Its sad but its reality
Southgate is an employee - the decision should not be his, he should not be allowed to take time and reflect. He failed - therefore he should be booted. What is the thinking here. He is not a god he is an employee... In any other job, if you are performing badly, you will get fired. Therefore he should be fired.
I think Southgate should be a defensive coach we have new manager who Attacks but have Southgate as part of the coaching team
Even Rodri's sub Martin Zubimendi came on and put on a show yet English fans think they've got the best squad.. Absolute joke! Zubimendi is better than Rice 😂
Rice, kane, and Walker, they let us down in that game and Southgate let us down picking kane even though we all knew he wasn't fit.
We need some1 who can control the midfield get the ball down and pass the ball .
Absolutely bang on observation! In England controlling midfielders don’t get up the ladder, they want runners and tacklers.
A lot of controlling midfielders aren’t runners by nature. Kroos, xavi, busquets, pirlo, scholes, carrick.
I love this caller. I feel like he's read this from my tweets
Proper Manc accent from that Manchester United fan 👏
FINALLY!!! Someone who gets it. All these top deep lying midfield geniuses wouldn't even see the pitch for England. English football doesn't value them.
England don't even have a Xhaka. Look at his performance this tournament, no England midfield has EVER played that well. And that's just Xhaka, multiple that ability with the likes of Rodri, Krooz, younger Modric etc
Been saying this for ages. He is a far more talented and better all round player than Rice.
@7:50... there's a difference between playing prime Brazil (2002) or Portugal (2004, 2006) in the quarters to Ukraine (2021) or Switzerland (2024)
What is it with fans and media who keep saying rice is playing out position he played as a 6 for years at West Ham Thts why arsenal got him. There just making excuses for him as he had a terrible tournament every game he gave the ball away multiple times in every game.
That was West Ham, and he didn't control the tempo.
No. 6 for West Ham is not the same at an elite club.
He isn't good enough. That's the reason he exited Cobham.
@zinedinezidane4771 you calling arsenal a elite team 🤣🤣🤣 how many european trophies do arsenal have
Rice played in a midfield 2 for West Ham in a counter attacking team.
That couldn’t be more different to playing as a 6 facing your own goal taking the ball on the half turn.
Finally Talk Sport have someone on talking sense. Last night Rice gave the ball away for fun. Pickford spent the whole evening booting back to them. You have to have better technical players at the back and infront of the back four.
lol why would you ask pardew? He’s basically just a Southgate from temu 😂😂😂 he would have played the exact same team with the same tactics. The truth is there are no real top level English mangers who’ll win you major trophies
Absolutely spot on. Rice is not international class.
down to coaching. you look at spain. they are not allowed to dribble or take too many touches until they reach final third where they have the freedom. while southgate still plays 2002 football. blood and thunder.
southgate is a disgrace for starting kane worst player in every single england game. if you’re going to lump it long anyway, start toney. england plays with 10 men he cant defend cant run cant head cant tackle wtf is he starting for?
Maybe you should have played Trent in midfield knowing he's England best passer in the team.
He's had 8 years to find that player! That's why he has to go. You don't play a system you've not got the players for then complain we haven't replaced Phillips.
He’s playing a system and got players for it except for a 6 and a keeper who will not just kick it long, which takes out the whole team, Pickford needs to be dropped or they need to change and put a big man up front
He found him during the tournament, Maino. Obviously he's too young to have an aura, but the boys got talent
@@Sebpz8342 He found a midfielder but not a 6, Mainoo ain’t it, he looks way more comfortable as an 8. He should have just gone with Rice and Bellingham as 2 holding
Midfielders put Foden in the 10 and stick someone out on the left. You don’t need everyone to get forward, 4 is more then enough with the full backs providing the width
This whole tournament we was a complete embarrassment. This in down to one person.
England had midfielders in the nineties that spain could only dream about, they had paul scholes was a midfielder iniesta and xavi and messi learnt alot about in the la masina academy, so how did spain go from having average midfielders in the 90s and early 2000s, to having better ball playing midfielders to england ever since 2008
Adam Wharton is class, we just didn’t play him :(
Excellent call, just think that we have to put up with Gary Neville, Danny Murphy, Danny Mills, Chris Sutton, etc ..... 🤣
What more frustrating is these player's will go back to there respective clubs and play like world beaters?? Yet for England they don't look like they have ever seen a football let alone play with one ?
all will be forgotten and it will be back to club football and being idolised by kid's and grown men ? And nothing will change,
We just suffer after there turgid tournament and they go and get paid 300k a week job done,
Because Safegate isn't the problem apparently? Even though he's been lucky but you can't say that because your being negative, we was 40 seconds from going out to Slovakia ffs what part of that makes him a good manager?
I'm a leeds fan, and people can slag off Phillips as much as they want, but he is exactly that player, he's a deep lying play-maker, and people don't realise how good his passing range is, his passing range is one of the best I've seen.
Fantastic contribution. GS said it he doesn't have that type of player.
I don't know if it is the speed of the game in England or just culture. But midfielders bossing the midfield is something they don't produce.
Carrick won everything at club level was an amazing DM but could not make the English team. Hargreaves was excellent injury killed him. Peter Reid had to play on the bench. Imagine a ballon d'or contender.
England produces box to box in abundance. Robson Platt Gerrard Lampard Scholes Bellingham Rice Ince.
For DLPs
Spain had Pep Senna Xabi Busquets Rodri
Germany Brietner Matthaeus Sammer Kroos
Holland Rijkaard Jonk
France Tigana Viera Deschamps Tchouameni
Italy Pirlo Jorginho
The only player that has that skillset is Harry Winks but he does not have the physicallity especially for the English game and he is not rated.
7:06 Some might laugh but he played in a champions league final and his team was just promoted with him at the helm.
Mainoo is looking good but idk if he could sit deep and control the play he looks good coming forward.
Southgate admitted we don’t produce number 6 type midfielders. Rice isn’t that as the caller says.
Did Pep make Rodri the player he is today?
Rice was superb to say the least. The coach let Engl down
😂
Southgate has no idea how to balance the team surely hence they struggle their way into the final
Finally! Someone (fan not a pundit) nails it about the England midfield. Let's hope the next manager is listening...........
Its not the players, its how they are asked to play by Southgate and his team selection.
As soon as I saw shaw starting that was it for me.
we were getting knocked out by prime brazil back in the early 2000's the runs weve had in the last 10 years we should have 2 or 3 trophies by now
With Mainoo 370 Minutes 2-4 down
Without Mainoo 330/355 Minutes(this is potential 15 mins ore or less) 6-2 up
its not exactly rocket science but the pundits will have you believe otherwise. 206 passes over the whole tournament ranking him 71st in passes, for context that was 41 more than Switzerlands Goalkeeper who played 1 game less and as far as I can see Manuel Neuter, Kucka are the only player to have less passes that played more than 300 minutes that are not to far down the list.
England were the only side to go passed the round of 16 with both of their centre midfielders not in the top 43 passes of the tournament. Rice made over 500 himself. England are a team of superstars and we basically got to the finals with a man down half of the tournament because of weak opposition. Spain exposed that.
Pardew hits the nail on head. Rice is not a great central midfielder. He used to be a centre back. He doesn’t have the craft, guile or technique to play in the midfield.
That’s a ridiculous take. Rice got 15 goals and assists in midfield last season. He may not be great in the holding role but in the left 8 he is brilliant.
@@footyeditz8484 He isn't. Bang average.
@@footyeditz8484 As an example, Gallagher had very similar stats for Palace in a bottom half of the table team. Is he brilliant? He could do a similar job for Arsenal and all the English fans would love him but he ain't top class. Remember when you had quality midfielders like Viera, Petit, Gilberto and Edu. You now have Rice 😂
@@KevinSheedy10 so bang average that he helped Arsenal go undefeated against the big 6, was in the nominees for premier league player of the season in his first year at Arsenal and improved Arsenals total point tally. Just say you have an agenda because Rice is a world class midfielder, you’re just completely wrongly profiling him.
Why do you think a manager like Mikel Arteta plays Rice in the left 8 if according to you he hasn’t got the craft, guile or technique to play there???
@@KevinSheedy10 Rice is top quality you clearly just don’t appreciate the position he plays in. He is a box to box like Kante. Kante has never been a dictator of football matches or great at recovering in deep areas but his pressing, ball winning and dribbling are what make him very useful to a team. Rice isn’t Kante level but he is being developed in the mould of that kind of player, but you can go ahead and call him average if you really want to whilst ignoring all his great qualities.
Bracket 1)Gerard, Lampard, Owen, Rooney, Foden, Bellingham, Kane -- Match winners (moment players)
Bracket 2)Pirlo, Iniesta, Keane, Kante, Modric, Rodri - Control Games (Highly consistent, Title Winners)
Player types in bracket 1 produce moments, types in bracket 2 win you titles control games and play to a consistency level far beyond player 1 types. You need both. Player types in bracket 2 will go further with lesser talented player types that are in 1 but the inverse isn't true. However they still will only get you so far without player 1 types. England have had only had 2 type 2 players in the last 30 years (Scholes, Carrick) they never appreciated either. That's ultimately what they need to change to win something
Great way of putting it. You're totally right btw
Kante and Keane shouldn't be bracket two lol.
@@AJ-nd4nk Yes they should. They don't do it in the same style as the others but ultimately the outcome is the same. The whole pace and tempo of the game revolves around what they are doing.
Very true. It comes down to the fact that fundamentally English people don’t know how to play football. Most just rush around. They don’t play with their heads up, they can’t think three passes ahead the youngest kids want to get the ball forward as quickly as possible. No interest in one and two touch passing or constructing goals by team moves.
England starting line ups this tournament were just a pick n mix- players aren't picked for tactical reasons- just lumped in there because they are big names. Example being- you can't play Rice as a 6 and then want to play possession based football he's not that guy, but then you can't play counter attack football and have zero pace in the attack. You cant play long ball to a guy who never wins an aerial challenge, like England have been doing. At one point you have to pick players on the way you want to play even if it means causing disappointment to more established names.
England do not have any true 6. Rice is a good player but Partey when fit is so much better because he is press resistant, Rice is not.
This caller is spot on. Even Southgate said they hadn't replaced kalvin Phillips.
😅 u joking right
@@richardadu6799 Facts....
2nd caller Russell could be a politician, Southgate has had easy draws, tactically inept and too scared to make the big decisions
A decent coach would get a decent midfield out of Mainoo, Bellingham and Foden. Southgate thought that good players are good player in any position. Now he's trying to blame the players for his own shite tactics and formation. Add Palmer and Saka to the mix, some 1-touch passing for a change, and any centre-forward would be scoring a hat full.
I honestly think even Sam Allardyce would have got more from that squad.
when all go to shits just blame the midfield. not the superstriker who cant score to save his damn life.
It all comes down to Coaching. This is not Rocket Science People!!!!!!!
Englands biggest problem is simply they don,t have any MIDFIELDERS, that can drive the team forward, an orchestrator, they don,t have David Sylver, Ya Ya Toroue, Oderguard, just 2 name a few😮😮😮😮
Spot on mate. England problem is the midfield. It is not southgate, it is not Kane. England problem is lack of world class midfieleder. Look at Spain midfield. Midfield wins championships
But manioo did it all tournament
Until England look at those players under the same light as other players you would stop lying to yourself.
We've only beaten 1 team in the top ten since Southgate took over ... am I wrong ? He's tacktically inept ...
95% would have picked Kane...and thats why 95% of managers win nothing.
No way!! I’ve seen elite managers drop big players and take the risk.. Southgate just ain’t him that’s why he ain’t in the elite conversation.. Southgate just made changes cuz the whole world saw it was obvious and had nothing to lose.. We all know Kane and Foden should’ve never been in the starting lineup since day 1.. A few moments of brilliance got you to the final in the first place against poor ops
The buck stops with the FA, not learning from previous mistakes, huge failures in tournaments, a team including Gerrard beckham scholes lampard Rooney Rio terry Owen , for the last 8 years this current crop of players have done the same , failed, not because they are not good
Enough individually, more they are smothered by sitting in tactics with no freedom to express & it comes across as if the team are scared to lose rather than go out & win a game of football , there is no sign of fluidity at all , no patience are shown through the team , unable to relax & keep hold of the ball for more than 6 passes before pumping it upfield & losing possession, plus England players are without doubt slightly overrated, & have missed a real baller for many years , a Gazza, somebody that can grab hold of a game & turn it on its head with magic , apparently England were favourites! where does that come from ? since when are England tipped to win ahead of Spain , France , Germany , absolutely ridiculous
I wonder why Rice rarely passes the ball to Mainoo even if it looks like the best option to pass to. He takes too much time on the ball and is pressurized to make a mistake always.
It's out of his control ,as technical can't move it that fast, he needs time and space but unfortunately, they aren't such luxuries in that position.
What would 95% of managers do if they had watched the previous 6 games kane played like shite Alan?
Exactly! They have all been failures!
It was 0-0 when Rodri came off so that call, although it had it’s merits is a nonsensical call.
This irrational obsession with Declan Rice is astonishing. Rice is slow and lacks creativity. He is average at best.
Declan is a box to box midfielder.. Southgates style is defensive longball. Declan playing as a deep lying playmaker using southgate tactics iis like trying to catch great whites using a home made fishing line whilst rowing a dingy. Put rRodri in a Southgate set up and he would be submergef in the same way as Riice was. All Englands players sufferred because of southgates and Englands pragmatic culture and lack of idealalism in the way they play. Its no coincidence that England looked like one of lthe east attractive teams at this tournamen yet can call on players who play in teams that play some of the best football on the planet.
Dyche , Howe, Potter , are you .... serious?😅 Maybe Roy Hodgson ?
Why does it have to be someone English?
@@richardjones8699we’ve been down the foreign manager route. That didn’t work either.
@@ChristopherMuldowney-l2i We've been down the English route a lot more. Has that worked? Let's just find a WC manager with a proven track record (who isn't on the way down) who wants the job.
@@richardjones8699 I don’t see the problem with Howe or Potter. Both good young coaches that have proven they can get a team playing attractive, attacking football.
Great point
Rice is not better than henderson at his prime at liverpool. I don't know why some poeple think he is wold class.
Because English people only value midfielders who can run, tackle and score screamers
Caller for next manager.
The caller is bang on. Telling the truth.
Rice is a centre-half.
You don't have the bEsT pLaYeRs iN tHe wOrLd.. Complete bunch of BS! 😂 Only Palmer and Mainoo are brilliant players in there
- Bellingham is an average clunky player with a huge PR
- Rice is just a decent player
- Walker is shite, nothing but a pace merchant
- Foden and Stones are system players
- Saka is a one-dimensional player
Scottish?
Also you’re copy pasta comments across different videos looking for attention, grow up
Rice is ploddy. Need better footballers.
99% of managers would of started Kane. That is why Alan u unemployment mate
Spot on
I will simply this! Fact is were not nearly as good as we like to think we are good players definitely not world players.
Rice can't pass it forwards. Not a top level international like the caller said
He's right
No midfield schemers
Rice is overrated n the biggest problem poor in position offers nothing but physical presence
At the end of PL some even saying Rice is better than Rodri. Hold my ballz
Rice is just a sideways and backwards passer, he’s so scared to pass the ball forward. He’s a glorified Harry Winks.
Maybe for England, for Arsenal that's definitely not how he played, only Rodri played more progressive passes in Europs top 5 leagues than Rice... you dunno football, he was poor for Enfk just like literally every other player.
He passed the ball forward more than Rodri, also had less sideways and backwards passes in the tournament. Look it up
Winks has a better passing range tbh
@@thelegendthatischels you clearly don't watch him or just hate watch