To clarify the 1.8% drop rate: It's exactly the same as in Star Rail or Genshin. There is no bonus after loosing the 50/50. Every single pull (outside of pity) has a 0.8% chance. That's a 1 in 125 chance. But, since you are guaranteed to get one at 80 (and soft pity pulls have increased chance), it averages out at 1.8% or 1 in 55.5 pulls per 5 star.
This comment is a little old but what do you mean by there’s no bonus after losing the 50/50 ? If you’re talking about the bonus where you’re guaranteed the event banner character next five star if you lose the 50/50 then it exists in wuthering waves as well (according to the multitude of sources I’ve seen and read from cbt2 testers) also I didn’t really feel like doing the math but pity in wuthering waves is only 80 compared to genshin and star rails 90 on character banners, so technically the rates for character banners would be higher than both genshin and star rail
@@notplates I refered to what was said in the video and clarified that the 5 star drop rate does not increase from 0.8% to 1.8% after loosing the 50/50. I compared it to GI/HSR since the system and math is the same regardless of the numbers. You are right that the rates are higher in WW (1.8% in WW vs 1.6% in GI and HSR) but the only bonus drop rates are soft and hard pity in all oft those games. The extra 1% is just the result of adding soft/hard pity to the base drop rate to get the average.
it's possible to stay f2p in WuWa, after all there's been people who defeated Endgame bosses with the Rover ( protagonist) only. The game values skill more than the characters you own
@@setovessalius Not an instant benefit because ping might be a factor. And I am guessing you probably cant switch servers. Big problem for someone like me who travel for work a lot yikes.
@@watashiwasmartphonega6601 don't quote me on that, but I believe they've made it so combat is not affected by your ping. iirc I've read things about the combat dodge/parries happen on the client side, instead of being server sided.
@@watashiwasmartphonega6601 Pretty sure ping only matters when you play with others and doesn't matter when you play in single player. I watched Rexlent play at 300+ ping on CBT 2.
@@watashiwasmartphonega6601 it was mentioned several times that ping only matters when you play co-op, other than that the game runs as any other single player game
as a PGR player, wuwa being f2p or not doesn't concern me as a slightest cus as far as my experience in PGR i didn't have to worry if i don't get the character or not cus on later patches kuro will just gonna give us another S rank selector or smthg anyway...also u can still be competitive even without the meta chars as long as u have skills...heck i even used black cards to gacha a skin that is even more expensive than the character itself and still got plenty to guarantee another debut S rank even f2p...if i have to say something about PGR, that is - it sucks being a "GACHA" like bro you basically buy characters for 15k black cards or less
Echo can be farmed for free, and once you get good base/main stats you can start using actual stamina to farm the mats to upgrade them. Gives you leeway to decide what and how far to upgrade them.
the crazy thing abt the weapons, i never thought if even getting it at all. Im a diehard PGR gamer (kuro's first game) and i know the importance of sigs in that came, but for this one, im not seeing it all. and im glad. So I can focus all the gacha currency in characters whether f2p or "f2p"
I appreciate the fact that you dont encourage rerolling if people are f2p. I myself gonna do a non gacha challenge for few patches ;D Gained a new sub!
The real test of FTPs is the Spiral Abyss like timed game mode and how they change it as the game goes. Unlike genshin tho it requires 9 character's at the highest lvl due to a stamina system. Since the boss challenges are one-time rewards, Tower of Adversity will become the main thing to do and compare your power too. I'm also slightly wary of the elements becoming very rock/paper/scissors down the line after we get more units. 9 units is already a bit but while the r/p/s does delay powercreep it could be annoying if we end up needing a DPS of every element due to enemy resistances down the line. PGR works like that but there's no 50/50 and you can legit get all the units, and there's much fewer elements anyways. Also part of the reason Dujin is so strong rn is a bug, so she'll likely become 'balanced" as apposed to broken and preferring to play solo. The other concern is the stamina system and echoes being so expensive for a endgame that wants 9 characters. I still am excited and have lots of hope, but you can't judge a gacha on its release patch at face value, and i think a lot of ppl are assuming this game wont have gear checks like genshin and HSR but a timed game mode already suggests otherwise. Like for comparison to genshin: you can beat any non abyss content with solo amber on a relatable build relatively easy if your good enough, but clearing abyss full stars with that is another matter. So, im definitely not going for more than monthly pass until we see how the endgame meta forms once the player base starts to reach it and gets the basics. Now you could say its optional content but lets be real this games selling point is the combat, ppl will want the refreshing pull currency, and the endgame is fair to judge from a F2P perspective if that's going to be one of the main forms of replayable content.
I do believe the game will be F2P friendly, because WUWA requires actual skills. You can whale for a character getting them to e5/e6, but if you suck you’re gonna lose anyways. My biggest thought process is the power creeping. I really hope that everyone stays “balance-ish” where anyone 5 Star or even 4 star. Can go toe to toe, ofc a 5 star will be a bit better. I hope as we progress through the game. We aren’t getting high dps burst characters that are must packs in order to push through a certain stage of the game.
Only game I've seen where engame can be cleared with the main character in a gotcha game 🤷♂️ that says it all to me. For context ive spent 150$ on HSR and can clear endgame. To do that for free is unimaginable 😂
For me the problem is never if you can "Do" something in the game as a F2P, you can probably solo Shogun with Traveler in Genshin if you're crazy enough, but it's really REALLY faster with other premium units. But that's not even the worst, you will want 5*s when they release, so it's not even about being able to do content, but being able to properly pull for the characters you want without becoming an Asterite accountant just so you can actually know what you can afford in the game.
I agree. the real test of FTPs is the Spiral Abyss like timed game mode and how they change it as the game goes. Unlike genshin tho it requires 9 character's at the highest lvl due to a stamina system. Since the boss challenges are one-time rewards, Tower of Adversity will become the main thing to do and compare your power too. I'm also slightly wary of the elements becoming very rock/paper/scissors down the line after we get more units. 9 units is already a bit but while the r/p/s does delay powercreep it could be annoying if we end up needing a DPS of every element due to enemy resistances down the line. PGR works like that but there's no 50/50 and you can legit get all the units, and there's much fewer elements anyways. Also part of the reason Dujin is so strong rn is a bug, so she'll likely become 'balanced" as apposed to broken and preferring to play solo. The other concern is the stamina system and echoes being so expensive for a endgame that wants 9 characters. I still am excited and have lots of hope, but you can't judge a gacha on its release patch at face value, and i think a lot of ppl are assuming this game wont have gear checks like genshin and HSR but a timed game mode already suggests otherwise. Like for comparison to genshin: you can beat any non abyss content with solo amber on a relatable build relatively easy if your good enough, but clearing abyss full stars with that is another matter. So, im definitely not going for more than monthly pass until we see how the endgame meta forms once the player base starts to reach it and gets the basics. Now you could say its optional content but lets be real this games selling point is the combat, ppl will want the refreshing pull currency, and the endgame is fair to judge from a F2P perspective if that's going to be one of the main forms of replayable content.
As ideal as that would be, realistically they also need to make money so you’ll never be able to get every single character you want unless you’re extremely lucky, as a f2p you just have to get used to having to skip characters that you really want if you don’t have enough currency, it does suck sometimes but they gotta make money somehow
@@notplates But that's point though, it's not about getting all characters you want, it's about not making you skip ALL the characters you want. Besides, skipping it's just part of the economy for a F2P, the thing is that you shouldn't over complicate your own thoughts about that. For me, i usually just look at banners when i have 2 pitys worth of gems, 1 if i'm garanteed, but i think that wouldn't be viable as a general rule since a lot of people would just get too anxious and pull regardless.
Lot of aspects of this game seem great for ftp. The relic substat system seems potentially rough though. Like even moreso than hoyo. Not knowing what substats youll get until youre fairly deep into the upgrade path kind of forces you to gamble less unless the piece is already initially good upon drop
Thanks for the informative video. This game looks promising and your insight on the Free-To-Play system makes me really consider playing it ...once I finally find the solution to the typical "only 24h per day" challenge 🙀😂 Best Regards.
I don't know. Now that the game has been out for a couple of months, I feel like it's going to start losing most of its free to play players. It doesn't do that many events nor does it give out as much of the premium currency like ZZZ and genshin do, which sucks cause it has a good story... I just lose interest in it when I feel like there is little to no opportunity to get new characters.
We do love non-timegated grinds 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽 Edit: Also love that you don't have to grind out gears/echoes. Just have to have pure skill 🙌🏽🙌🏽 Also getting Toati because she reminds me of Skuld in Aether Gazer 😭😭😭
What bring people to go p2w tho? cause in this game You can literally never build a 5 star character and beat the game with just the mc if You are good. so what remains to spend money on is if You got skill issues (which I think, doesn't solve anything, since you still need to know boss mechanics) or You just want mommies and husbandos. So I think this game is pretty f2p friendly on the overall, you can't buy skill, if You suck, You suck
I just E6 Robin, I am not going to spend on Wuthering waves. Idc how f2p friendly it is, I will not spend an Astrite on the limited banner until I can basically E6 S5 a character (idk the withering waves terms, I think it's resonance something)
@@elnobl3 With Weapons being 100% guaranteed? And the increased chance after losing a 50/50? And the free constellations/eidolons that u can just buy on the shop? I know it'll take some time that's obvious.. I mean it's a gacha game after all. However it's not going to be nearly as hard as in other gacha games like Genshin lol
Hopefully can be played with controller on pc. I can’t play action type games with keyboard and mouse at all. Whole reason I skipped out on punishing gray raven.
You can. I was wondering too and found an article that said yes and links to a special program vid by the devs talking about the game. They said a lot of people ask and said yes and that controller support was almost finalized. Vid was late March and you see a clip with RT and LB for some moves and the d-pad to change characters
Well, either its much more friendly than hoyo greed, or it might be fast death. Gacha games had very greedy season and with projects closing, slowing down ...seems the era is ending. Thank god >,
Its not fake, but not officially confirmed yet. It's a leak from a very trustworthy source (stormy waves). It's called "beginner's choice banner" In this banner you will be able to choose between one of the five standard 5* characters to pull on the banner, so when you reach the pity you will get the standard character you choose (you can get it early if lucky, but only one 5 star per beginner banner)
On the leak image, if you check encore's banner it has Jiyan image on the corner, apparently the one who photoshoped it missed to edit that part. So I don't expect it to be a thing. However, if it ends up being true, better, just don't have high expectations on that being a thing.
Not in the standard, remember that banner with a discount in genshin impact that was of the standard characters? We'll have one in WuWa, but instead of 20 it will be 50 and that's the one you can select the standard 5* you want, but i have seen people recommending saving it until you get your first 5* char from any of the limited banners, so if you loose the 50/50 you can be sure not to get a dup of the standard 5* you get from the selector
Will you be adding Wuthering Waves in your games rotation?
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To clarify the 1.8% drop rate: It's exactly the same as in Star Rail or Genshin. There is no bonus after loosing the 50/50.
Every single pull (outside of pity) has a 0.8% chance. That's a 1 in 125 chance. But, since you are guaranteed to get one at 80 (and soft pity pulls have increased chance), it averages out at 1.8% or 1 in 55.5 pulls per 5 star.
Thank you for clarifying! I couldn’t find more information on this because I was hearing different things but this makes sense.
This comment is a little old but what do you mean by there’s no bonus after losing the 50/50 ? If you’re talking about the bonus where you’re guaranteed the event banner character next five star if you lose the 50/50 then it exists in wuthering waves as well (according to the multitude of sources I’ve seen and read from cbt2 testers) also I didn’t really feel like doing the math but pity in wuthering waves is only 80 compared to genshin and star rails 90 on character banners, so technically the rates for character banners would be higher than both genshin and star rail
@@notplates I refered to what was said in the video and clarified that the 5 star drop rate does not increase from 0.8% to 1.8% after loosing the 50/50. I compared it to GI/HSR since the system and math is the same regardless of the numbers. You are right that the rates are higher in WW (1.8% in WW vs 1.6% in GI and HSR) but the only bonus drop rates are soft and hard pity in all oft those games. The extra 1% is just the result of adding soft/hard pity to the base drop rate to get the average.
the real challenge is how long i can stay ftp 😵💫
it's possible to stay f2p in WuWa, after all there's been people who defeated Endgame bosses with the Rover ( protagonist) only. The game values skill more than the characters you own
yeah, skill really seems like a big important part instead of having x characters
@@setovessalius Not an instant benefit because ping might be a factor. And I am guessing you probably cant switch servers. Big problem for someone like me who travel for work a lot yikes.
@@watashiwasmartphonega6601 don't quote me on that, but I believe they've made it so combat is not affected by your ping. iirc I've read things about the combat dodge/parries happen on the client side, instead of being server sided.
@@watashiwasmartphonega6601 Pretty sure ping only matters when you play with others and doesn't matter when you play in single player. I watched Rexlent play at 300+ ping on CBT 2.
@@watashiwasmartphonega6601 it was mentioned several times that ping only matters when you play co-op, other than that the game runs as any other single player game
as a PGR player, wuwa being f2p or not doesn't concern me as a slightest cus as far as my experience in PGR i didn't have to worry if i don't get the character or not cus on later patches kuro will just gonna give us another S rank selector or smthg anyway...also u can still be competitive even without the meta chars as long as u have skills...heck i even used black cards to gacha a skin that is even more expensive than the character itself and still got plenty to guarantee another debut S rank even f2p...if i have to say something about PGR, that is - it sucks being a "GACHA" like bro you basically buy characters for 15k black cards or less
Echo can be farmed for free, and once you get good base/main stats you can start using actual stamina to farm the mats to upgrade them. Gives you leeway to decide what and how far to upgrade them.
Thank you for adding this information!
the crazy thing abt the weapons, i never thought if even getting it at all. Im a diehard PGR gamer (kuro's first game) and i know the importance of sigs in that came, but for this one, im not seeing it all. and im glad. So I can focus all the gacha currency in characters whether f2p or "f2p"
PGR is not their first game tho. Their first game is Twintail Battlegrounds
Thank you for looking into this game ❤ looking forward for your wuwa content
I appreciate the fact that you dont encourage rerolling if people are f2p.
I myself gonna do a non gacha challenge for few patches ;D
Gained a new sub!
Great video emi! keep up the good work! Excited for WuWa!!
Underrated content creator, you deserve more viewers, keep up the good work 🙌
The real test of FTPs is the Spiral Abyss like timed game mode and how they change it as the game goes. Unlike genshin tho it requires 9 character's at the highest lvl due to a stamina system. Since the boss challenges are one-time rewards, Tower of Adversity will become the main thing to do and compare your power too. I'm also slightly wary of the elements becoming very rock/paper/scissors down the line after we get more units. 9 units is already a bit but while the r/p/s does delay powercreep it could be annoying if we end up needing a DPS of every element due to enemy resistances down the line. PGR works like that but there's no 50/50 and you can legit get all the units, and there's much fewer elements anyways. Also part of the reason Dujin is so strong rn is a bug, so she'll likely become 'balanced" as apposed to broken and preferring to play solo. The other concern is the stamina system and echoes being so expensive for a endgame that wants 9 characters. I still am excited and have lots of hope, but you can't judge a gacha on its release patch at face value, and i think a lot of ppl are assuming this game wont have gear checks like genshin and HSR but a timed game mode already suggests otherwise. Like for comparison to genshin: you can beat any non abyss content with solo amber on a relatable build relatively easy if your good enough, but clearing abyss full stars with that is another matter. So, im definitely not going for more than monthly pass until we see how the endgame meta forms once the player base starts to reach it and gets the basics. Now you could say its optional content but lets be real this games selling point is the combat, ppl will want the refreshing pull currency, and the endgame is fair to judge from a F2P perspective if that's going to be one of the main forms of replayable content.
I do believe the game will be F2P friendly, because WUWA requires actual skills. You can whale for a character getting them to e5/e6, but if you suck you’re gonna lose anyways. My biggest thought process is the power creeping. I really hope that everyone stays “balance-ish” where anyone 5 Star or even 4 star. Can go toe to toe, ofc a 5 star will be a bit better. I hope as we progress through the game. We aren’t getting high dps burst characters that are must packs in order to push through a certain stage of the game.
Only game I've seen where engame can be cleared with the main character in a gotcha game 🤷♂️ that says it all to me.
For context ive spent 150$ on HSR and can clear endgame. To do that for free is unimaginable 😂
For me the problem is never if you can "Do" something in the game as a F2P, you can probably solo Shogun with Traveler in Genshin if you're crazy enough, but it's really REALLY faster with other premium units. But that's not even the worst, you will want 5*s when they release, so it's not even about being able to do content, but being able to properly pull for the characters you want without becoming an Asterite accountant just so you can actually know what you can afford in the game.
I agree. the real test of FTPs is the Spiral Abyss like timed game mode and how they change it as the game goes. Unlike genshin tho it requires 9 character's at the highest lvl due to a stamina system. Since the boss challenges are one-time rewards, Tower of Adversity will become the main thing to do and compare your power too. I'm also slightly wary of the elements becoming very rock/paper/scissors down the line after we get more units. 9 units is already a bit but while the r/p/s does delay powercreep it could be annoying if we end up needing a DPS of every element due to enemy resistances down the line. PGR works like that but there's no 50/50 and you can legit get all the units, and there's much fewer elements anyways. Also part of the reason Dujin is so strong rn is a bug, so she'll likely become 'balanced" as apposed to broken and preferring to play solo. The other concern is the stamina system and echoes being so expensive for a endgame that wants 9 characters. I still am excited and have lots of hope, but you can't judge a gacha on its release patch at face value, and i think a lot of ppl are assuming this game wont have gear checks like genshin and HSR but a timed game mode already suggests otherwise. Like for comparison to genshin: you can beat any non abyss content with solo amber on a relatable build relatively easy if your good enough, but clearing abyss full stars with that is another matter. So, im definitely not going for more than monthly pass until we see how the endgame meta forms once the player base starts to reach it and gets the basics. Now you could say its optional content but lets be real this games selling point is the combat, ppl will want the refreshing pull currency, and the endgame is fair to judge from a F2P perspective if that's going to be one of the main forms of replayable content.
As ideal as that would be, realistically they also need to make money so you’ll never be able to get every single character you want unless you’re extremely lucky, as a f2p you just have to get used to having to skip characters that you really want if you don’t have enough currency, it does suck sometimes but they gotta make money somehow
@@notplates But that's point though, it's not about getting all characters you want, it's about not making you skip ALL the characters you want. Besides, skipping it's just part of the economy for a F2P, the thing is that you shouldn't over complicate your own thoughts about that. For me, i usually just look at banners when i have 2 pitys worth of gems, 1 if i'm garanteed, but i think that wouldn't be viable as a general rule since a lot of people would just get too anxious and pull regardless.
Love your HSR content, plan on playing WuWa and will definitely be keeping an eye out on your channel for information after release. :)
Lot of aspects of this game seem great for ftp. The relic substat system seems potentially rough though. Like even moreso than hoyo. Not knowing what substats youll get until youre fairly deep into the upgrade path kind of forces you to gamble less unless the piece is already initially good upon drop
FYI, we dont know if soft pity is 60, or if they have one at all, not enough testing so we wont know until some time after the release day
Thanks for the informative video. This game looks promising and your insight on the Free-To-Play system makes me really consider playing it ...once I finally find the solution to the typical "only 24h per day" challenge 🙀😂
Best Regards.
I don't know. Now that the game has been out for a couple of months, I feel like it's going to start losing most of its free to play players. It doesn't do that many events nor does it give out as much of the premium currency like ZZZ and genshin do, which sucks cause it has a good story... I just lose interest in it when I feel like there is little to no opportunity to get new characters.
I am so hyped for this game 🥳 I hope I can last long being F2P 😶🌫️
We do love non-timegated grinds 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
Edit: Also love that you don't have to grind out gears/echoes. Just have to have pure skill 🙌🏽🙌🏽 Also getting Toati because she reminds me of Skuld in Aether Gazer 😭😭😭
What bring people to go p2w tho? cause in this game You can literally never build a 5 star character and beat the game with just the mc if You are good. so what remains to spend money on is if You got skill issues (which I think, doesn't solve anything, since you still need to know boss mechanics) or You just want mommies and husbandos. So I think this game is pretty f2p friendly on the overall, you can't buy skill, if You suck, You suck
Do you think limited 5* will eventually be added to the standard banner (a delayed version of PGR) or will they go the Hoyo (despair) way?
WW banners and gem distribution is much closer to GI/HSR so it makes sense for their limiteds to STAY limited
@@pedromonteiro1196u dont know what ur talking about at all gem distribution is way different and higher from genshins
@@who9157 by closer i meant a similar system but hey, if what i said was bs then thx 4 the save fam
I just E6 Robin, I am not going to spend on Wuthering waves. Idc how f2p friendly it is, I will not spend an Astrite on the limited banner until I can basically E6 S5 a character (idk the withering waves terms, I think it's resonance something)
Going to be a long ass couple years for you then lol
@@elnobl3 With Weapons being 100% guaranteed? And the increased chance after losing a 50/50? And the free constellations/eidolons that u can just buy on the shop? I know it'll take some time that's obvious.. I mean it's a gacha game after all. However it's not going to be nearly as hard as in other gacha games like Genshin lol
Still on the fence..
I never subbed so fast in my life 😅
Hopefully can be played with controller on pc. I can’t play action type games with keyboard and mouse at all. Whole reason I skipped out on punishing gray raven.
You can. I was wondering too and found an article that said yes and links to a special program vid by the devs talking about the game. They said a lot of people ask and said yes and that controller support was almost finalized. Vid was late March and you see a clip with RT and LB for some moves and the d-pad to change characters
Knowing Kuro games the game is going to be very free to play considering how f2p PGR is.
F2P FTW!
Well, either its much more friendly than hoyo greed, or it might be fast death. Gacha games had very greedy season and with projects closing, slowing down ...seems the era is ending. Thank god >,
So is this fake? that you can choose a 5 star at the beginning who you want to get?If so, everyone will reroll
Its not fake, but not officially confirmed yet. It's a leak from a very trustworthy source (stormy waves).
It's called "beginner's choice banner"
In this banner you will be able to choose between one of the five standard 5* characters to pull on the banner, so when you reach the pity you will get the standard character you choose (you can get it early if lucky, but only one 5 star per beginner banner)
On the leak image, if you check encore's banner it has Jiyan image on the corner, apparently the one who photoshoped it missed to edit that part. So I don't expect it to be a thing. However, if it ends up being true, better, just don't have high expectations on that being a thing.
@@elnobl3 The leak is real, the image was a mockup.
So i cant choose a five star in the Standard banner?
Not in the standard, remember that banner with a discount in genshin impact that was of the standard characters? We'll have one in WuWa, but instead of 20 it will be 50 and that's the one you can select the standard 5* you want, but i have seen people recommending saving it until you get your first 5* char from any of the limited banners, so if you loose the 50/50 you can be sure not to get a dup of the standard 5* you get from the selector
W video
"How realistic is it?" Like just don't spend money. That's how realistic it is. SMH. LMAO
the UI is really ugly
Good video. Informative