Bretonnia - The Old World Faction Guide - Warhammer Fantasy
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00:00 Special Rules/The Lance
15:23 Knights, virtues and items
53:27 Damsels
01:02:37 Sergeant at Arms
01:06:04 Foot Troops
01:21:14 Realms vs Errants
01:24:25 Questing Knights, Peg Knights and Grail Knights
01:30:13 Useful Yeomen
01:33:23 Holing people with a trebuchet - Ігри
Love the long format chat, keeps me company whilst I'm working! Some nice insights too
Will bear it in mind mate! The dark elf vid is definately long form (we thought oh lets do short form to see what the difference will be and it turned out long form anyway haha)
I wish I could listen to these at work but yes long form is my favorite makes commutes and painting sessions so much better
Long format is good, very interesting and detailed.
Glad you like the format then mate! Thanks for the Feedback
The one thing I would say i dont think you covered too much on the questing knights, is unbreakable units. Always the hardest units for bretonians to beat as they cant grind well. But against giants (also re-rolling psych from questing vow) or blocks of skeletons. Questing knights do shine
Great video! I do wonder why you're so enthusiastic that Gilded Cuirass > Gromril Helm. You can run the math for different AP values: 2+/5++ (rerolling ones on the 2+) versus 3+/5++/5+++:
AP0: Gromril saves a whopping 98% of wounds, Cuirass saves 85%
AP1: Gromril 85% versus Cuirass 78%
AP2: Gromril 72% versus Cuirass 70%
AP3: Gromril saves 59% versus Cuirass 63%
AP4: Gromril saves 46% versus Cuirass 56%
The Cuirass (which is 20 points more than the Helm) is only significantly better against AP4, together with (e.g.) attacks which do not allow armor save, while the Helm makes you basically invincible against AP0 and is a fair bit better against AP1. I suppose you could argue that extreme AP attacks are the ones to be afraid of? On the other hand, there are other (admittedly less reliable) ways to give the lord a 5+++ (for example, Lore of the Lady spell).
Thanks mate!
TBH its more feeling than having worked it out when Ive commented on that: theres been so many games (of any system) where having the triplicate save just makes units near invunerable so its the one I tend to gravitate to. I dont tend to worry about anything Ap0 or even 1 that much and by 2 and above (where my bum starts flapping taking saves) thats when I was thinking along wanting the 2 additional, non reducible, save rolls!
Nice.
The 5++ ward Assumes Str 5 or higher, which usually means GW or lances or monsters, most of which have a minimum AP-2. So the gromril is really a 4+(r1)/5++. Whereas with the Cuirass your getting triple chance to savce.
I always take both, one on the BSB (Usually the Gromril) and run him with knights fighting rank and file. Then the Cuirass on your Lord who will be fighting enemy lords and beast which is prone to having higher AP values. Don't forget you can use Lore of the Lady spell Lady's Gift on the Gromril guy to get a 5+++ Regen as well, effectively 2+/5++/5+++ Vs Strength 5.
Loved the long talk and appreciate you looking through both books. Alot of the other overviews didnt cover both books
Thanks mate: The arcane journal is up now aswell (definately feel its worth doing both as theyve got so much extra character and depth for the factions)
Really liked the long format, please keep it up. Very insightful thanks
Thanks amte! Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video thoroughly enjoyed
Long format is good please. I have ADHD and I like nice long videos to listen to while working my manual job as otherwise work is boring.
Glad they give you the same satisfaction as similar did for me then (Used to train through podcasts till a year or two ago while working as a labourer, were the only things saving me from going absolutely mental)
Hi. Best vid ive seen to date on the Brets. Thanks
Thanks mate! Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for this food for thought for my first game
No worries mate! Hope it serves you well! FOR THE LADY!
I like the long form videos.
if you actually read the rules for the blessing of the lady you would it says that your opponent wins the roll off in which he/she can choose to go first or second as it states in the rule book. you can still take the 1st turn if your opponent elects to go 2nd
Questing Knights are BACK!
I remember when GW came out and changed great weapons to only be +1 str instead of +2 when on horseback and it absolutely took the already old questing knights in the already old bretonnian book and eviscerated them. Anyone still running Bretonnians at that point had to ditch them out of their army lists, which was sad because they were fantastic at fighting chaos knights and mid level monsters up to that point.
Glad to hear you think so aswell, I wasn't FULLY convinced on them tbh but recently have been liking them as an option more and more (WS and S4 base) I may invest in some in the coming months as part of my border princes army!
FYI, you cannot get a magic item with the virtue of heroism, it's in the text of the virtue.
Thanks for the video and commentary. I want to play full cav' so I'll be building an Errantry Crusade list (I'll be waiting your arcane journal video), but your talk on a bloc of peasants holding the line has been heard. I will maybe also try a grand army with them, if I cannot handle a full Impetuous army. :)
Ehhh good spot, Lance it is I suppose, thoguh the standard +2S and -2AP is nothing to sniff at!
@@BearfootMiniaturesYes ! My Duke will always be rocking the virtue of heroism with a simple lance, the gauntlet of duel (there is one of each of my characters ^^) and the gilded cuirass. I'll leave the magic weapons for my baron/paladins.
You are in lance formation not close order formation. You do NOT get the bonus for being in close order formation. Unless I’m missing something
Good spot: didnt twig as I worked through all the rules in the vid that it wouldnt be both!
Do Battle Pilgrims get the Blessing of the Lady wardsave, or only the actual Grail Reliquae model?
That intro riff 🔥
Luckily ive got a talented friend who sorted me out with music exactly to my tastes for that one!
great video thx from a new bretonnian player
Glad you think so mate: obv still loads to learn as we all "mature" into Old TOW players but its a starting point
What would you recommend buying next as far as characters or units go after I’ve finished building and painting the box set? I know a lot of them are hard to get right now but I thought about proxy models.
It depends what you want from your army really theres 2 approaches really IMO
For peasant heavy id start with characters (damsel, sergeant at arms, BSB) and some mounted yeomen + a tree as these will allow for redirectors for your smaller units of knights to smash into the side of the enemy and something to weaken them up bofore they reach your lines
For knight heavy, Id make sure to have a BSB, damsel and sergeant at arms (actually in both lists) a small unit of Grails (6) will provide a truly smash unit for you to drive your enemies before you id say as with knights being the core you need an option to atleast in combination take on the hardest stuff
Very informative video, but I have to ask. Do you have any idea about taking characters such as green, Knight or King louen?
Ive not studied them as much as I would have liked (as ive not used them) to put out a video on them but will certainly give my thought!
The green knight: Not overly expensive on the face of it for the character when considering he cant be hurt by non magical weapons and cant be permanently killed but inbuilt with that is if he doesnt show up turn 1 its going to be t3 before he can get into combat and if he dies T4 after that hell come back T5 (maybe) and charge T6
He has mid level armour and 5++ ward isnt great but more he's got something when someone gets through his ethereal, and his output being 4A and -1AP im not super hot on, more of a chaff killer because of it and is helped by the mobility
Overall I think he's Great for use against Chaff and things without magical attacks but beware peoples lords etc which can tank the AP1 and hit back harder
Cecil Gastonne: Cheap as chips for a character that attacks at S5 with monstersayer and multi wounds 2 so dont even have to just rely on the 6s to wound which I really like
Not as much to say as the Green knight, but would have liked a mounted Option here (though fits my foot knight based army nicely)
Lady Elise: 225 within realms of any lvl3-4 wizards with a couple of items and also mounted on unicorn: Solid magical defence, and any double being irresistible dispel is great and worth being lvl 3 not lvl4 id say just based on the defence, and having 2 sig spells is a solid addition as the Bret spelt are great IMO
the Chalice is nice but really not what your coming for, and not being able to stack into a lance properly because of base size limits how close you want to get to enemies
You mentioned the Men at arms Using the BSB reroll bc of the character, can you elaborate on that? They have the Levies special rule so they don't get to use the Reroll or General Inspiring presence. Or are you saying join a damsel or baron/paladin to the unit and have that model use the reroll? If you do that and have the Sgt at arms in the unit with warband they can get to ld 10. you have to use the highest leadership model. So how would that work? Are you using Sgt at arms ld10 (bc of warband buff) first, and if failed, use the BSB reroll on the ld7 damsel?
Hey mate, Good spot there!
I may just be mistaken there as I didnt know you had to use the highest value!
Its was joining the unit and then choosing when to use their lesser leadership with a reroll as you'd put (I dont know if you'd be able to reroll a dice using the different value)
Or we sidestep the issue and use yeomen who dont have levy!
What formation do you take the Men-at-arms in with your blocks of 40-50?
5 ranks deep is the sweet spot. It lets you lose two whole ranks without denting your horde and warband bonuses
A late reply, I only just received my forces and main books, men at arms in a 5x5, 6x6, or 7x7 block means that they can both charge and forced march (3xM") in any given turn without reforming. Food for thought, cheers.
Guys i have 2 questions about lance formstion:
-When i lose lance formazione, aster the fight, can I be again in lance formations?
- when I lose models, ( for ex in a lance of 10 knights) can I remove models that cant fight in the back rank ? ( 2 models first and after others)
Thx a lot:)
Your Lord doesn't need to be an all rounder. The lord's main role in the army is to handle other lords on monstrous mounts, something that only they can do. So the Virtue of Heroism or Confidence is actually very important. If you end up not facing a monster lord and the virtue is wasted, that's actually great. Even without a virtue, your Duke should be more than good enough to handle normal troops.
I half agree but it’s just personal tastes I think of what you want to go for (as a strong “challenge” lord the way I want to set them up will also do well against monsters in my experience
On the virtue of heroism: id personally rather spec into a multi wounds weapon that I’ll only need to wound than roll a 6to pull off on 4 attacks with them getting their ward to ignore that 1/3 or better. I’d agree when you get the spike it’s a killer but outside of that less so
Always liked the Bretts.. Bought some Knights Errant in 5th Ed, but never played... Then wanted them in 6th Ed but was too into Stunties and my beloved O&Gs.. But I like them visually.. Especially the metal knights Errant, the Perry´s old Men-at-War sculpts etc..
But.. I don´t really like them game wise....I think..
Great vid though.
Thanks mate! Glad you enjoyed it
The "trouble" with warhammer fantasy is all the armiies seem like that too me haha, so varied in styles to each army and within armies!
Could you do the beastmen like this?
Ill certainly get back to them now theres been a bit of time to reflect on stuff and it being more composed thoughts
10 knights wide... what table are you playing on where you have 300mm or open ground.... use terrain
Hey mate: check out the bat reps for the tables, usually it’s more than the recommended amount in the rulebook, I’ve just not found it massively discouraging to the movements of units especially mounted honestly
You've interpreted the banner wrong. It makes your leadership unmodifiable so you ignore terror -1 or spell debuffs etc. A "break test" pg 154, is a roll and the combat result is added to your dice roll and compared to your leadership. It's still good, but not as good as you're suggesting
I'll look over the break test rules tonight but you may be right! If so I dont know if it's any good at all for the amount of points it is!
@@BearfootMiniaturesLady's Grace is good/great if your meta has an unhealthy amount of VC Screamers lists, otherwise it's ok-to-good.