Toyota 4Runner vs Lexus GX550: The Slip Test Will Surprise You
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2025
- In this video, we test the legendary toyota 4runner against the Lexus GX550 in a never-before-seen head-to-head battle in the slip test. Which vehicle has the best 4WD system? is fulltime 4WD or part-time 4WD better? Watch to find out.
The GX has a TORSEN LIMITED-SLIP center differential... it is supposed to allow the wheels to slip which is exactly what happened to the 550 on the rear rollers. The TORque SENsing center diff won't "lock up" until it senses increased speed/torque. The slow slipping in this test wasnt enough to lock up the 550 and that's exactly what it's designed to do. Once you lock the center on the 550 it behaves like the 4runner. The Torsen center on a GX allows for fulltime 4wd ON-road... it needs to slip to drive all 4 wheels on pavement... a 460 and 470 will do the exact same with an unlocked center as the 550 on that rear roller test
Yeah this makes sense and what I was thinking, interesting to see
@CarsNoCap if you put a 470 and 460 on the rollers it will do the same... great video keep up the fantastic videos ❤ ✌️
so 4wd>AWD?
@@UporaFilms depends on use case. you can't drive a partime 4wd system around in 4hi/lo in dry road conditions. the Fulltime 4wd system can do it. For most people the full-time system is superior as it requires no switching based on conditions and requires no effort.
I love these roller tests, You can tell how every vehicle is going to perform before even putting it on the rig. Put one wheel of an open diff/axle on the roller and it won't go anywhere without traction control(that operates the abs system, nothing will happen for traction control systems that cuts engine power) An unlocked center diff vs a parttime 4wd in 4hi isn't an apples comparison.
Everytime there is a comparison to the 4runner. I appreciate my 2021 4runner even more. Thanks for video!
Yeah I’m a big fan of the 4Runner myself! Thanks for watching
I THINK THE SAME THING BUT ABOUT MY V8
@@UncleMoes YES !!! My 03 4x4 V8 4runner is a Boss❤
@@vincesmith764 Best 4runners! Tows 7200lbs. Even the new runner can't come close.
Agreed!
Sorry to be a bit tough on you, but I gotta say, it's always funny watching vehicle testers that don't understand how full time 4wd systems work. This is not like a part time system. A full time system relies on a certain level of slip in order to send power to the front. In other words, with the center diff unlocked, and ZERO traction in the rear (GX550) obviously the front wheels won't turn, because it's an open center differential. That's why there's a center diff lock button. There is no traction control in the center diff. . Thus no power available to go to the front axles, so power just goes to the wheels that have zero traction. The reason for this is that there is ZERO traction on the rear wheels. If they even had slight traction, you would have likely felt "some" power going to the front, but this is NORMAL operational constraints for any full time system. This is how these systems are designed. The second you lock the center diff, naturally you have now locked 50/50 power to the front, and using MTS/ATRAC etc systems will force power side/side which will get you out of most situations. Toyota's system is extremely good actually, one of the best out there - even without using locking diffs :) It's just about knowing how to use them :)
Always got how it worked, it’s just eye opening to see how it reacts in certain specific situations. Thanks for watching and dropping a comment. I’m curious to see how other vehicles will compare, like say a Subaru full time AWD system
@@CarsNoCap Yes well perhaps I should have clarified a bit more, it probably has less to do with the fact that it's full time, and more to do with the fact that Toyota's system is very robust and needs to be counted on in very demanding situations, thus they use a Torsen system, and uses a centre differential rather than the clutch based systems that other manufacturers use which can generate a large amount of heat, and don't usually use a centre differential, thus limiting the amount of slip prior to degrading heat buildup etc. Toyota's system can be relied on for severe service use in the desert as well as the arctic. It's very robust and strong - but has to be built that way because they're used in land cruisers and military spec in many countries. Newer Subarus have a decent system overall, but struggle a bit more due to it being only software/brake based, and lacking a true locking centre diff etc.
@@rjhein 💯 ❤
So if you're driving on hard snow packed or icy roads will all four wheels be turning without having to engage the rear or center diff??
@@rollingthunder9851yes, it has full-time 4WD. Understand that all open and LSDs are _supposed to slip_ on pavement to prevent driveline damage/binding which is why ever vehicle has at least one differential:
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That GX is very nice! But 4Runner is like a Glock, it just works
Thats a great way to describe the 4Runner
Gee… I don’t know. My S&W has never failed me. 😏.
Toyota and their infinitely wisdom something from 09 looks superior to 13 years worth of tech
@@BGood496😆 It will…
The limited slip differential transfers 40-60% TRACTION. If you have 0 traction on one end, then you're dividing by zero.
Side note: If you were to apply some E-brake, you'd pull yourself off those rear rollers using the unlocked limited slip center diff. But that GX probably uses an electronic E-brake.
Wow, a smoother crawl control for double the money. I will take the rougher 4runner with so many more tools than crawl control alone. But, that's just me.
I hear you, the 4Runner is a beast
A simple formula: full time AWD + central diff lock = part time 4wd without front/back diff locked
So on a full-time 4WD system, what is the speed limit once the center diff is locked, to prevent binding and overheating?
@ absolute speed is not a problem. it requires slipping between front axle and rear axle.
The idea of MTS is not to get you unstuck but to avoid you slippage
The GX 400 or 500 series is essentially an AWD til you lock the center diff. The 4 Runner is a 2WD until you shift it to 4WD. Two totally different 4x4 systems. If my wife is out in the GX in the snow/ice and feels it slipping, she just pushes the center diff lock, problem solved. In the past when the 4 Runner began to slip in the snow and ice she shifted from 2WD to 4WD high. Problem solved. Both vehicles work flawlessly when needed.
Yep agreed, two different systems, both work well, just differently
Job well done. Great demonstration of Toyota 4W drive capabilities. Thanks.
Thank you, appreciate you watching!
The GX has a Torsen or torque sensing differential. Until you lock the center differential it will transfer power front and rear and not lock itself to turn around in tight areas off road or on slippery hard packed surfaces. Once you lock it the algorithm prioritizes maximum traction for off road conditions sending more power by locking up more forcefully with A-Trac. So on road leave it unlocked to slip. Offroad lock the differential to gain maximum traction.
Yeah it makes sense it would act this way on the rollers, it was still surprising to see, I thought it still might send some power to the front but it didn’t
@CarsNoCap the fact it didn't send any at all makes me think this new generation torsen is sending more then 70% to the rear. On the old gx460/4runner v8 it sent 40/60 front and rear and up to 30/70 around corners but only sent 50/50 when locked. I'm thinking this new generation is sending almost 90% to the rear wheels. Or the truck could think it was on a dyno with only the rear wheels spinning for emissions, diagnostics or testing.
@@CarsNoCap It should have(sent some useful power to the front). It does not look like it will be that useful on icy roads and such, when you don't want the center locked due to intermittent dry pavement. I'm pretty sure I have seen some other 4 auto systems do better on the rollers. But I'm not certain. But the Honda systems definitely do better, although they don't really have a center dif that might need to be locked. However they transfer power front to rear, left to right, they will drive right off of any of those roller combinations even in "normal" mode. I think that is what I would prefer in a "auto" situation: the ability to quickly send useful power to the wheels that can use it, even if not quite as much as in a locked situation.
This certainly explains the video the guy from WA state did with a Lexus, having a huge struggle to get up a snow covered dirt road on a steep hill. He finally, near the top, remembered to lock the center dif and went right up, no problems.
@@CarPediaShow Completely agree. See my post reference my experience with the 2nd gen Sequoias with their Torsen centre diff. Looks like Toyota re-calibrated the Torsen centre diffs for this next generation, perhaps to increase fuel efficiency.
@1:41
I believe the 4-Runner doesn't technically have a Center Differential. The locking of differential occurs within the Transfer Case, as opposed to the GX, where a Center Diff is locked either via the TorSen system or the manual Center Differential activation button.
I could be wrong, I am still trying to learn my 2014 GX 460.
Yes you are correct I just misspoke! Its a transfer case on the 4R ORP.
All wheel drive is like having an open and rear end between the front and the rear axles, it’s gonna slip unless you lock your center transfer case
4Runner is the poor man’s GX550. I don’t have 80k to blow on a vehicle but I was able to swing 38k on a used 22 TRD ORP.
I feel that. The 4Runner is an amazing value!
I do i love my 550 OT+ it kills it off-road
Wait till the new 4Runner comes out, it will be 55 and up.
@@max7143 pricing is out, top trims getting up into the 60s!
this channel is better than tfl truck in a couple ways. keep it up
Really appreciate that. Thank you for watching! Filming a video on the new land cruiser next week, more to come!
They must've calibrated the torsen centre-diff differently than what was used in the previous gen Sequoia (V8) and LC200 (the previous real Land Cruiser available in the US until 2022). My 2012 and 2022 Sequoias (both 2nd gen, one with the 4.6V8 and the 2022 with the 5.7V8) have available fulltime 4WD with a Torsen centre diff that is lockable (just like the GX550). I have my own rollers and I can tell you that with the centre diff unlocked, they do not require any significant amount of throttle to drive of the rollers when the rear wheels are on them. Obviously, as soon as I lock the centre diff, they both just idle off the rollers, much like my 2023 4Runner TRD OR when it is in 4WD.
This is really interesting because I thought the previous gen was able to do this easily too. Thanks for sharing, if I get my hands on a previous gen I will definitely make a video
Yes, exactly. Driving off of the rollers with the center diff open should not require much throttle. Will it drive off the rollers as smoothly and with as little wheel spin as when the center diff is locked? I would not expect it to.But he should not be stuck, it should not be a big challenge. It was not a problem with the 460, I bet it is not with something like a full time/auto Colorado or Ranger, and I know it would be no challenge with my Honda Ridgeline. My best guess is it is calibrated wrong. At least wrong for my taste.
This is a fun comparison. Thanks for putting this together! Very cool to see in a semi-controlled environment how the full-time system in the GX compares to the part-time system in the 4Runner.
No problem! You get it and summed it up perfectly, this was meant to be a fun a comparison of the two systems. I thought the results were pretty cool to see. I’ll be putting more vehicles, like the new LC, on the rollers soon, hope to see you back and appreciate you watching.
Nice test. 4Runner is always a winner in my books. Just simple and straight forward with less complications.
I hear you there. Same reason why I own one!
@@CarsNoCapSame here, I own a 2023 SR5 Premium 4x4. Cheers.
Its almost as if the GX has a completely different off-road mechanics setup than the 4runner and you need to know how to work the off-road features of the GX in order to perform the tests....
Awesome presentation 👏🏻 👌🏻
Hey thank you! Appreciate it!
这就是托森限滑差速器如何工作的。如果前后轴的扭矩差距不大，托森限滑差速器会允许差速，毕竟它是个差速器。而且，托森限滑差速器只可以进行限滑，而不能自己锁止。所以为了实现前后轴轴速50:50，你需要锁定中央差速器锁。视频里的滑轮组的难度显然没有那么大，GX550不需要锁定中央差速器锁，只要你不吝啬你的右脚，大脚油门就好了。
This is how the Torsen differential works. If the torque difference between the front and rear axles is not significant, the Torsen differential will allow for differential, after all, it is a differential. Moreover, the Torsen differential can only perform limited slip and cannot lock itself. So in order to achieve a front and rear axle speed of 50:50, you need to lock the center differential lock. The difficulty of the pulley system in the video is obviously not that hard. GX550 does not need to lock the central differential lock, as long as you are not stingy with your right foot and step on the gas pedal.
Thanks for watching! Agreed but I gassed it hard on the rear wheel test and it still did not transfer power to the front, it needed the center locked. Interestingly the new land cruiser performed a little different, will post the results soon
That Lexus looks sweet, but the best bamg for the buck is still the 5th gen 4runner. Even a stock SR5 is a little beast off road.
Yep agreed!
Anyway, I'll be seeing you at the mall next week.
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👍Exceptionally informative review! Kudos and thank you.
Thank you! More to come
I’ve looked at a GX550… honestly I much prefer my 4Runner. Better materials, layout and it feels more roomy. Plus mine is paid for! lol! Thanks for the demonstration
Yeah 4R is a great vehicle, enjoy it! Thanks for watching!
Yeah 4R is a great vehicle, enjoy it! Thanks for watching!
MTS only controls how much wheel speed the car allows to happen. If you're in sand or mud mode, it's going to allow more wheel spin, because that's what you need in those situations. Lower wheel speed will happen in rock setting. Can't fault the MTS here, it did exactly what it was programmed to do in the setting you put it in
On the 5th Gen 4runner, in 4Hi traction control remains on which is why it pulled off the rollers almost instantly.
In 4Lo it shuts off all wheel speed sensing traction aids, it's up to you to dial in what you need whether it's Atrac, Crawl Control, Terrain Response, or RR diff lock.
ATrac can also be engaged in 4Hi, it pulses the brakes harder than regular traction control which is why it seems to fly off the rollers.
It got stuck in just 4H, the roller actually slipped the first time
On the 3 roller test that is, 2 rollers was easy in 4H
The Toyota benchmark 0:15 & 0:30 is a 4Runner and GX460? I’ve owned both those and a 2020 Land Cruiser, for me it’s been 4Runner < GX < LC. The LC is a whole different ballgame.
Would love to test that generation LC next
You mean the old Land Cruiser? The new Gen is just a plain Jane version of the GX 550.
@@BGood496 Yes, 2020 is the second to last year of the 200 series. It’s the best off-roader I’ve ever owned.
4 runner is the best car on the planet right next to 200 LC
Won’t argue that
Sounds like a guy that runs forest service roads and level 2-3 rated trails. Come do some actual offroading and tell me your 4Runner is the best at anything...
@@georgemiloslavski7086 : The 4Runner can do four things well: (1) daily commute on pavement, (2) interstate freeway cruising, (3) moderate offroading, and (4) family hauling. The 4Runner is the best in its class not because it is best at any one thing but because of its well-rounded versatility at a reasonable price. A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.
It certainly is
I have been off reading for 27 years, I tested all Suv and terrain vehicles. For every day driving and relying for fast responsive full time 4wd system' there is nothing close to Honda torque vectoring application. I personally own newer Rubicon, but for family vehicle and "no buttons selection need to press driving" we took Pilot. Wife does not need to take course on how and when to use "this ore that".
Honda does have a good system as well, I’ll have to test one soon
@@CarsNoCap new passport 2026 please:)
Well said! I have been commenting elsewhere about how quickly my Ridgeline would have driven of of those rollers without pushing any button. With it's lack of clearance, protection and poor angles, it makes me very nervous off road. However, that I-VTM4 has been the best all round system I have ever used on moderate depth snow and/or ice, with stock tires. And I have had quite a number of 4Runner type SUVs or trucks in my 45 years of off roading or snow driving. Even if I had the angles, clearance and skid plates, maybe I would not like it off road as much as something like a 4Runer. Who knows, it might overheat in some really hardcore situation without a low range. But for my daily driver, it has been the champ for icy, snowy roads.
1:40 The 4Runner TRD Off-Road in this video does not have a "Center Differential," as claimed. Only the 4Runner Limited has a center diff, the exact same Torsen diff as the Lexus GX series.
Yep this has been addressed in the comments
You can’t beat a 5th Gen 4Runner.
Agreed, very solid
Happy to have grabbed a 2024 4Runner earlier this year with the old platform.
@ same
4Runner all day.....all night.
I was looking forward to possibly getting a GX after owning a 4 runner. This video just showed me nothing can beat the 4 runner. I now have less confidence on the GX four wheel drive system
Yeah this test was a bit surprising to me as well. Love my 4R. I do think this GX system works well off road, the roller test is just a very specific condition
Watching this video made made feel I need a masters degree in 4x4 engagement.
lol it feels that way sometimes
4Runner Limited trim also has full time 4WD and a locking Torsen center diff. As well as ATRAC.
Yep it does
Wait. How did the 550 beat the 4R? It was getting stuck way more often.
The 4H-N-4L lever in the 4Runner/FJ Cruiser is meant for reliability. You know the engagement of these in a positive mechanical way, and it doesn't matter if you are on a slope or if the servo-motor engaged by the buttons is stuck or inoperative because of lack of use or corrosion. Same with manually locking hubs, you can lock them without having any forward/backward movement to engage automatic locking hubs. The work 100% of the time when you need them most.
In the 4Runner and automatic FJ, moving from 2WD to 4H/4L locks the center diff mechanically. The fulltime 4WD FJ manual has a center torsion and would behave the same as the GX (i.e. need some speed on the road (maybe 10-15 mph) to engage) unless you switch to 4H (also 4L) which locks it mechanically. The GX here does it probably using a servo-motor.
MTS should require center diff to be locked to work; they should automatically do it when MTS is turned on and not expect you to press the center diff lock button. You shouldn't have to find out the way you did, and could end up in a white knuckle situation without knowing what is going on.
Throttle modulation on the 4Runner/FJ can be easily modified using electronic boxes like a "pedal commander" to whatever suits the situation. I think the 4Runner gas pedal is setup so you accelerate slowly to save gas. You need to be past at least 40% down to get much out of it. I don't think the GX has the green "ECO" light in the dashboard either.
All greatest points and I agree about MTS, you would think it would lock it up. I was a surprised by that, also good point about the throttle modulation on the 4Runner I’d like to get a pedal commander soon. Thanks for the insight and for watching!
Would it be possible to do another test to see how long it takes for the GX's rear wheels to spin before the front differential engages without having to use the rear or center locking button to engage?
I applied the throttle for a while and the front wheels never engaged. I would like to try again and re-test rock mode in MTS but I’m not sure if even that would lock the center diff. I’ll have the new LC in January and will retry this test
If possible, both front wheels also. Thanks
Wins just bc the crawl control was “less violent” lol 😂
Fulltime 4WD system is completely different than the 4Runners part time system. I just swapped from a 2019 4Runner TRD Off Road to my GX550 OT+. Switching the 4Runner into 4WD locks the center differential. It is an open diff on the 550 to allow tires to turn at different speeds when taking turns on the road, so you don't get binding. The 550 operate exactly as it should. This is why The previous GX and the LX always have a center diff locker. Though I still find this curious, because traction control transfers power very quick on my 550. I would not have gotten stuck in the 2 wheel tests. Hmmm🤔. Maybe you needed more throttle, because I'm not seeing traction control engage.
Its not an open diff on the GX550, its a Torsen.
@@Jay-me7gw The center diff is open for road driving on all fulltime 4WD vehicles. If they weren't, you would get binding whenever you try to turn. Torsen limited slip does not change that.
@@lunamaria1048 Its unlocked for road use on all fulltime 4wd, not open. Open suggest a diff which only sends power to the axle with the least amount of traction, which is not what a Torsen does.
And also, yes, a Torsen will try to fight the two axles turning at different speeds to some degree when turning through a corner, but you wont feel it being that its a center diff. If you ever had a torsen or detroit truetrac in a front differential you would know that just going through a corner causes the torsen to want to fight the steering wheel back to center. I had a truetrac in the front and rear diff of my Jeep Liberty and, when in full-time 4wd, the steering wheel would be really stiff going through corners. In 2wd it was totally fine even with the rear true trac. Guys with Raptors with the factory Torsen front diff say the same thing when its in 4Auto.
@@Jay-me7gw Open diff means unlocked and allows for wheel rotation during cornering. I have been using 4x4s since I was 16, so not even engaging in a tedious UA-cam comment section back and forth.
You can use Google to learn what an open diff is. Having a torsen limited slit, or engageable lockers does not change the fact center diff is open when it needs to be. Torsen limited slip diffs are in fact limited and only engage under specific circumstances, otherwise the differential is open. No vehicle could take corners without open diffs.
On a side note, the GX550 looks so damned good!
It really does!
The 4Runner can have atrac on the front and Locker on the rear at the same time. The Lexus system is similar?
Toyota should either provide a nanny mode that makes the vehicle behave like Subarus, with users requiring nothing more than throttle and brake. Or, Toyota should provide a warning label "vehicle is not for dummies". Why should I be required to understand vehicle mechanics to figure out how to get the vehicle out of of a stuck situation. It should just work. I mean, even professional cameras have an auto mode, so why can't enthusiast vehicles have nanny mode?
I personally prefer the manual transfer case lever for a couple reasons. First, one less thing to go wrong. Second, I feel it’s a more set it and forget it compared with wondering if the electric system is engaged or not. Also, with the more electric options it gets confusing which system to engage while 4Runner with 4Lo and ATRAC your good to go.
I also like the manual transfer case, it works really well in this. I didn’t like it as much in my jeep
4runner is a beast
100%
The gx struggled in most tests but it slightly won 🤔
At the end of the day it does have a more advanced system, the updated crawl control is what gave it the slight edge, but it’s truthfully hard to declare a winner because it’s a bit of an apples to oranges comparison. Although still fun to compare
The high 4X4 is not to get you unstuck in a situation like this. It is a smooth transmission of power to the front wheels which control the direction of the vehicle, with the intention of allowing them more grip in snow or rain, in this way you have more control of the trajectory. It is very smooth because if it were aggressive it would generate the opposite effect and you would lose control. The power transmission in these snow and rain conditions has to be more subtle, which is why it has no effect in getting you stuck, since there is another tool in the vehicle for that, and that is why it is there.
Agreed! The roller test is a very rare and specific situation. The full time system in the GX is very effective for real world conditions!
🤔 I dont think the Lexus won. Pushed a bunch of buttons that didnt do anything. I'll stick with my 4runner
That’s fair I hear you, I daily drive a 4R for a reason
Nah.You just only need to push the button of the center diff lock which is actually same as 2H→4H in your 4runner. 1 button and 1 transfer gear stick，both of them are easy to set
The more I watch these videos, the more I think I should just keep my 04 4Runner. On dry pavement, I use 2WD. On snow or ice, I put it in 4WD and it never does this spinning rear wheel stuff.
Yeah I hear you, I like having the 4R as well
The problem is in many winter driving conditions the road can be wet or snow covered or icy or dry all within a few miles so the full time system is far superior in these cases
Torsen and Full Time 4WD all day. Start learning with the older vehicles before showing off the newer tech. When you say any Land Cruiser system not working it’s usually the person in the hot seat..
The system was working as intended, this is how an open center diff functions on rollers, doesn’t matter who is driving
@ no need to reassure me lol I’m an LX owner and the system I’m very familiar with.
Nice! Love the LX. I was just a little surprised it didn’t send ANY power to the front, it makes sense when you think about it, but still interesting to see imo.
Oh just FYI 4Runners also comes in the setting with AWD and Center locker on Limited Models.
Ya I’m aware..
That model 4Runner does NOT come equipped with a "center differential" as incorrectly stated at 1:34 - more misinformation!!!
Yes I meant transfer case, sometimes you misspeak when recording...In the 4Runners the locking center diff provides a similar function to putting the transfer case in 4H. The ORP 4R uses a manual transfer case… which I did also note in this video.
@@CarsNoCap Still NOT accurate... that 4Runner does NOT have a center differential PERIOD. When the transfer case is shifted into either 4H or 4L you ARE driving the front AND rear axles equally!
@@loum9325 I’m not saying that it does, you’re misreading the comment. The limited 4R and GX have a center diff, the ORP has a transfer case. The outcome is similar in this test with either the center diff locked or xfer case in 4H. We all know they are different systems .
I have seen in actual off road situations the GX550 did well . Also tow capacity is much higher in the GX overtrail at 9096 lbs.
Agreed it does very well in real-life off road testing
You showed on 4R atrac isn't required because even 4hi has traction control and therefore just one wheel with traction will get you unstuck. 4lo and atrac not required. 4lo has no traction control and will stay stuck until you turn atrac on.
4H on the 4Runner did not work consistently on 3 rollers just fyi. Atrac was required to pull me off. The time it pulled me off in just 4H the roller was slipping.
From a v8 taking premium gas to a twin-turbocharged 3.4-liter V-6, which, "probably" takes premium gas? how did the Lexus GX550 REALLY improve? I suppose I am supposed to take my media influencers dumb-down pills and forget the 2022 Tundra's adventures in downsizing: "pay no attention to the 100,000 V6 turbo-motors in 2022-2024 Tundras now being replaced." Kinda makes the first few thousand Tundra 2022's which reported twin turbo wastegate problems-only, sound like the good old days. I just learned a new factoid bout my 5th gen 4Runner, it is the last toyota sold on US shores that had hydraulic steering. Now its all about electric steering. Waall, at least it allows the car to drive itself "automatic lane centering." The engineer admitted the driver's feel for the road with the hydraulically assisted mechanical steering is better than the steer by wire electric steering.'"but the electric steering is so much more fuel efficient." Where does the save a drop of gas and rescue the planet madness stop? One day those influencers are going to start harping about how much more efficient your body would be if you just had your cojones removed.
On the 2 wheel test on the gx you mentioned used MTS in mud mode. I think mud mode may actually allow more wheel slip. I think dirt mode will decrease wheel slip and may allow it to move off the rollers.
Yeah possibly, I did try a few of the other modes off camera and didn’t have any luck though
Crazy how front lockers haven’t returned to the Land Cruiser GX platform.
not a fair comparison. Needed to test these side by side with the GX with the center diff locked. This tells us nothing about which car has a better 4wd system.
Both were tested… 4H in 4Runner = center diff lock in GX550.
I have watched many UA-cams reviewing cars and trucks this is by far the most indepepth review.
Appreciate it! Glad you enjoyed it!
In conclusion, although these vehicles are very nice looking, they have many unnecessary bells and whistles. Having options to lock rear, front differentials and transfer gear are all that you need to have a true 4-wheel drive vehicle. 4-wheel drive without lockers can get you into trouble by being overconfident with your vehicle's capabilities. All these other gizmos are just expensive add-ons.
I’ll stick with my 4Runner.❤
I do love my 4R
I do not agree with you saying the GX is the winner. Maybe my eyes are deceiving me.
I hear you it’s a close call, just for fun
So the GX failed one test yet the 4runner passed all tests and the GX wins because it's smoother lol? Not sure someone would give a fk in real offroad conditions..
lol I hear you, it’s a tough call to pick a true winner here, this is meant to be a fun comparison
The GX didn't fail one test (see top comment) - it's a torsion limited slip center diff that allows the GX to be in AWD all the time (which the 4Runner doesn't have - except the Limited).
In real offroad conditions no one would just drive around without at least the center diff lock engaged (like the 4Runner does when putting it into 4H).
@@northbee15 Can you accurately describe WHEN the limited slip differential will engage?? In the test he said he applied even more gas but it never engaged.
Is there a certain speed or rpm that one can say it will engage at??
Saying it will engage doesn't mean that it does...
LANGUAGE !
@@northbee15 LANGUAGE!
I'm gonna need you to put the g x back on the rear rollers and feather the brake pedal. It'll pull forward
I’ll try that this week with the new Landcruiser I’m testing
@CarsNoCap thank you
5th Gen 4Runner remains the king
The lexus looks useless until its locker is engaged. For riding on highway in rain or random slippery places, it doesn't seem like its going to be a safe vehicle. I think Grand Cherokee quadra drive is a better system than the Lexus
4R for the win!
Let’s see…it’s twice the price of the 4Runner and does half as good off road…yup a real winner 🏆
Lol
I wish someone would make aftermarket metal fender liners for the 460, I keep breaking mine on rocks
I would think these exits, no?
Maybe I’m old but I prefer the 4Runner simplicity without needing crawl control/locked center diff for minor off road obstacles
There’s definitely something nice about simplicity, I really enjoy having the manual transfer case, less stuff to break
4Runner is the winner
Great vid. Would like to see how a Rivian performs.
Hey thank you! I will reach out and see if they'll lend me one to film
You. Should compare against runner lomited
I will if I can get my hands on one
Has your wife come around to driving the 4Runner yet?
Lol she has not. I’m still hopeful.
Should have used a Gen 5 4Runner Limited. Its 4wd system is closer to the Lexus' and the new Land Cruiser.
Yeah I’ll have to get a Gen 5 limited soon, and I’ll be testing the new LC in a few weeks! Come back and check it out!
@CarsNoCap I plan on it. Great video, BTW.
@@thebeast9606 awesome, thanks! That video should be up mid February, I’ll be testing the LC during the last week of January
You should bring Land Rover and compare
Definitely I am going to reach out and see if they will lend me one to test
Disagree. Performance/outcome to cost ratio.. 4Runner beats the pants off that thing.
When you take cost into account, I agree. 4Runner is a huge value
TFL has done this exact test on more than one occasion. This is not YOUR test and it’s probably not theirs either.
Yep I’m aware I just meant that I made the rollers!
This is a poor attempt on an interesting comparison. You should have used a 2024 4Runner Limited (full-time 4X4) to get an authentic apples-to-apples comparison against the 2024 Lexus GX550 Overtrail. This trial says nothing about the 4Runner vs GX550, so the title should have been "Lexus Full-time 4X4 vs Toyota Part-time 4X4"
If I had access to one for the filming of the video I certainly would have used a limited, I happen to own an ORP, so this is what we got lol thanks for watching
@@CarsNoCapKudos for your efforts! It's a very interesting comparison (4R vs GX), and well-worth borrowing/stealing a 4R Limited to run it again. I commend you on the creative idea, and especially for building those roller systems to utilize low-bias standardized testing equipment. The title of your post still doesn't reflect the actual comparison content but should garner more interest than my suggestion, I'm sure.
Curious to see the new Land Cruiser in comparison as well. I want to see how its worth with its new price tag. 🤔
I do too, I’ll be testing the new Landcruiser on this same test in January!
it will be exactly the same as the 550. zero reason to waste time doing it.
That LC250 4 cyl. sounds like its gonna explode at all times😂 I couldn’t handle that
4Runner doesn’t have center differential. Only 4Runner Limited has that. You are demoing a off-road model.
Yes limited has a full time systems with center diff and this model (ORP) has a manual transfer case, which I said.
Yes limited has a full time systems with center diff and this model (ORP) has a manual transfer case, which I said.
@@CarsNoCap Limited has full time and part time and 2wd. Best of everything
Nice video!
If you have an all-time AWD car that does not work the way it should... it loses.
Compare prices as well; because both cars get you unstuck with the same drive modes, however, one will set you back $20-30k more. that seems a bit important
What is the clearance height for both?
Agree definitely worth it to consider purchase prices and I actually think this is the way the open Torsen diff is supposed to perform in this scenario, it’s just interesting to see!
It’s full time 4WD, not all time AWD. As many other commenters have stated, this is how full time 4WD works.. lock your center diffs for 4x4!
@@mr2ti41 or spin the tires faster if you have a Limited slip center diff like the GX/LC has
While I think the answer os obvious I still want to ask... I'm guessing you obviously cant drive on dealed roads permanently with centre diff locked
And if the answer is no.... then to me at least the day to day use of the AWD system looks vlose to useless. Wont help you of you hit a slippery patch at all
😂 but other regular ass none off-road AWD SUV works just fine. Why toyota can't do the same?
Jeep hands down has the best 4x4 system....
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GX is more street vehicle not a true off road like the 4Runner.
What?
Very interesting 🤔
Yeah I was surprised
Seems like 95/5 AWD
So, save 30K and pick up a 5th Gen 4Runner Trd Offroad.
That's what I did
I own a 5th gen 4Runner ORP... I am absolutely shocked it outperformed the GX550 in this slip test.
4R is a legend
the 4runner didn't "outperform" the GX550. The GX has fulltime 4wd and is _designed to slip_ under these very conditions so it can work ON-road. The 550 did exactly what it was designed to do.
Lock. The. Center. Diff. I’m realizing that from this one video that people don’t really understand how full time 4WD works.
How does it beat the 4runner??? Because it's quiet and smooth? If you want quiet and smooth stay on the pavement princess! Where's the test with all 4 wheels on rollers bet the 4runner can get off in 4 high 😂
😂 fair enough
Just go lock I. The hubs old school.
I think you have the winner backwards.
Maybe
For that price it better do way better😂
lol I hear you
Sooo all the excuses for the GX claim this is meant to work like this? Think about that for a moment.. they are saying it is meant to get stuck!
That 4wd system until you lock the center diff is just an AWD. Even the MTS is useless until you lock the center diff.
Try this in a LandRover Defender or Jeep Wrangler or GC. At least the 4Runner performs how an offroad SUV should.
I was surprised by the result too, I have to test out the LandRover!
Idk if your aware but lexus is suppose to be smooth and toyota is suppose to be rugged 😂 price difference says it
Haha yeah I hear you! The new gen Toyotas though that thesis is being challenged, creently testing the new LC and feels surprisingly luxury
Benchmark isn't the atrac 4runner. Best 4wheel drive without lockers is hands down the landrover defender.
Would love to test it on these rollers, I’ll try to get one
Toooo much tech. 🤔😵💫😵
I will stick with the old timer - the great 4Runner. It’s the peoples car - but unfortunately that will change in 2025.
Yes it is!
Yes it will change. Instead of an overpriced slab-sided dinosaur with an outdated, underpowered powertrain, you will get an overpriced athletic looking truck with a more powerful and fuel efficient powertrain.
@@ytj22do you bro.