Boost Your Confidence On The Road: Mastering Tire Trust
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
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Sometimes you have to experience no grip to appreciate grip....or experience shooting a .357 magnum before a 9mm! It's like a .22 now! lol MotoJitsu.com/courses
Have you tried the Chiappa Rhino? It's worth checking out. They make a version with a 2" barrel with or without a hammer in .357. The barrel is low so there is hardly any muzzle flip.
i hope you can upload a video on a harley big rear tire in a cornering because big rear tire like 300 or 360 is too difficult to handle in cornering... i hope you can have a video on that and i do really appreciate bro.... thanks!
Full load Norma 10mm loads 200 grains @ 1200fps out of a Glock 20 (same or more power than your .357 magnum revolver) back to a 9mm Glock 17. Same lesson minus the finger abrasion and tape 😅. Supercamp mud drill is the best teacher of bad technique in zero traction. Doing it is like doing the pointy end of the cone drill in Champ School with downed riders on the course instead of cones 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hey mate, just wanted to say a huge thank you.
I recently passed my motorbike learner's and license test here in Australia, and your videos were by far the most helpful thing that contributed to me passing and always having a
learning mentality on the bike, and to constantly be practicing.
Thanks again.
Congrats!
Very true I started watching Greg’s videos before went for my riding test and practiced his instructions. I was easily the best rider on the day according to my instructor.
Stay safe Ace
Great analogy! I had a Yamaha FJR1300, 145 HP and 650 lbs. Then I bought a Honda CBR250r, that I could rip around bends, with more confidence, proving to me how far a Bike could lean. Light weight, flickable and a blast. Then, I got back on the big Yamaha and it gave me the knowledge to ride through curves with a new understanding of traction limits. Fear of leaning that big Bike was greatly reduced.
Well said!
This winter, I drove on snow with street tires and fell off the bike once. It was a slow crash, and fortunately, nothing hurts. But after snow riding, going back to dry roads felt amazing. I feel the same as you're talking about in this video. Cheers!
I recently stopped riding on the street for a while following some unfortunate events we shared and focused on riding dirt, when I went back to the road it feels like I have a cheat code. I got so used to the front washing out all the time and rear sliding around in the sand that now I'm hyper aware of little changes in grip. I'm finding myself nailing the trail in, knee down feeling and am finding myself getting closer to max lean angle much quicker. Like you told me once, my knee should hit the ground as I'm letting the last bit of brake pressure off and then controlling corner exit by using the throttle to stand the bike up. I feel like I owe all that control to riding a lot of dirt lately. Can't wait to hit the track and see the difference in confidence in the tires!
Finding good tires that allow you to "feel" the traction helps too. My first bike a 2018 XSR700 had stock Pirelli Phantoms that I could not for the life of me feel the road or how the bike is reacting in corners so they never felt confident. After wearing those down I ended up replacing with Michelin Road 5's at the time and man what a difference in feel and response through the chassis/bars on what the tires are doing. Coming from a dirt riding background definitely helped me on the street because I subconsciously never overreacted to the tire slipping in a corner from sand and any other loss of traction like locking the rear tire up, etc whereas a new rider with no experience is bound to overreact and panic crash.
I went out for a Sunday ride on my BMW S 1000 R yesterday, and for fun, I pulled into an empty school parking lot to do some U-turns. I heard your voice in my head as I repeated turns with a radius the size of a circus tent. My bike is pristine and I don't want to drop it practicing turns. I know from your videos that this is a lame excuse. I need to dig through your videos and pick out a couple of drills to master. I hate being a poor slow-speed pilot. Thank you for all your great content.
Just start with my White Belt drills. My app link is in the description
Thank you, @@MotoJitsu!!! I'm going to do it.
Great analogy! That's why we push our limits in practice, it makes real world riding so much easier.
This guy is a true rider !!! Thank Moto !
Everything is Relative.
I hadn't even thought about it, but the 60/40 off/on-Road knobbies I have on my CRF250L are probably helping me get comfortable on the road with the lesser grip. It will be interesting to see what it's like when I get more on-road tires.
For reference, I took my moto endorsement test in the rain wearing Frogg Toggs... they didn't give us any 'credit' for it being wet; we still had to pass the same stopping distance. Did it on hard-mode and still passed, hehe.
That picture of you in jeans and your leather jacket soarin through the air tho 🤣👍🏽
Thank you Greg. Your my inspiration here in New Zealand. I repeat your words in my helmet when riding & man I settle very quickly. I think sometimes to we underestimate our own ability. Just did a 9 day solo. Good for the soul & reliant on oneself ☺️🏍️
@2:15 - I understood how "easy" CB125R is only when I started riding SV 650 and then I went back to CB125R - until then I thought that my 125 is so difficult to ride (OK, I am just starting). So I do agree with you 100%: perspective is everything.
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Right on! Same applies to car control. Do a rally course day, really improves your car control
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"Know yourself and know your bike and in a million corners, you'll never be in danger" Tsun Tzu
I always say best motorcycle skills are first learned on dirt bikes in dirt where skills transfer to the road with confidence (not in reverse however).
I am always impressed how much lean I can put on a quality 50/50 tire (AX-41 in my case) which makes me realise how much you can then push a road tire… as long as you understand how to effectively preload tires, suspensions etc…
right on Greg. just came back from Jimmy Lewis Off Road weekend and it was great learning. You are absolutely correct about experiencing the low traction of dirt/sand in order to appreciate dry tarmac, AND how to manage when in those conditions
yes!!
Exactly. Like I always say “When you ride with less traction/grip, you ride better when there’s more traction/grip”.
Thanks for the great instructional videos. Been riding motorcycles for over fifty years. All this time BMW. Started with an R50/5. Brakes were not an item back then because there were no real brakes on them. Now I'm about to retire and have bought an R1100RS. I want to do a few more beautiful tours in the coming years, such as the Stelvio pass in Italy and the Trollenweg in Norway. And much more. I'm now practicing well with your instructions. Five minutes every day as you indicated. Also going to take a driving skills course this year. Despite all those years of driving experience, I can still learn a lot from you. So many thanks again from the Netherlands and keep it up.
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Someone once said (actually in a discussion about knobbies on pavement), "Any DOT approved tire can handle more than you can." Probably true for at least 90% of the riders out there. I bought a KLX300SM last fall and most people (not everyone) seem to complain about the IRC Roadwinner tires. So far they seem OK to me; I haven't had a chance to push it hard yet but even my idea of pushing it probably pales in comparison to what some of these guys are trying to do. The complaints do seem to center around cold and particularly cold rain. I know my CB500X with Conti Trail Attacks or even TKC70s will hang on longer than I care to. Rode the Dragon in a downpour on the Trail Attacks and was concentrating so much on being able to see that I didn't really even give the leaning much of a thought. Just went and did it to get back to the resort and then afterward was like, "Huh..."
Yup, it’s mostly rider skill or lack of skill that matters most
Funny thing, I use the gun comparison, although might be different aspects, while teaching advanced flying. The simplification can be very powerful in understanding more complex issues. Great stuff.
That’s well worth pointing out. Good job! I recently changed the factory AT tires to a nice set of road tires. WOW! What a difference in grip and confidence. I regret selling my SP101 all the time. They are built like a tank. If I get another one I don’t think it will be the 2.5” barrel again. I couldn’t hit the side of a barn with that damn thing. Even with mild .38 special loaded in it, lol. I put a laser grip on it, helped tremendously. Love my Sig SP2022 9mm though. It’s a cheap Sig but I can drive tacks with it at 5 yards.
I like riding my 2012 BMW R1200RT to the gun range. It’s fun to practice riding skills (that I’ve learned from you) and shooting skills on the same day. Thanks for the analogy!
Awesome. This sort of thing applies all over the place! Guitars, for example. If your fingers dont tire on a steel string acoustic you will have no problem with an electric. Great to know that you are a gun dude, as well.
Sweet, I have had that same ruger for a long time, surprisingly easy to shoot for how much is happening there.
Grip it high.
Also done supercamp 2-3 times, need to do it more, amazing experience.
Last year, I went to a off road school, with the intent to ride my middle weight ADV during the course.
The day I arrived, riding into the parking lot, I dropped the bike in the sand of the entry road. That set the tone and really ruined the rest of the course for me. Also, I simply wasn't in good enough shape, being quite tired by early afternoon. Not a good experience for me. That drop really wrecked my confidence.
However, I'll tell you what, get off that dirt and onto the street -- yea, HEY! The ground doesn't move anymore! The tires stick! It's a fundamentally different feeling. It felt very comforting after my training experience. I was more confident on the street. But dirt, still scares me. I need to go back.
Take classes, for sure, just be aware that they can be quite demanding of your stamina, and your concentration. I did a shooting class once, and that was, you know a day of shooting, standing around, punching paper. But it was mentally exhausting. Really tired by the end of that day.
So, just prepare for that. None of this stuff is easy, and that can take a toll on you, but that's why you're going.
I enjoyed the spontaneous, conversational, "talking in the car" style of this.
I'm facing now the opposite situation, I have road tyres in my previous bikes (Kawasaky Versys and BMW GS1200) and I could lean and turn with confidence. Recently I bought BWW GS1200 with dirt tyres and i'm can't trust the tyres, though I know they are pretty good because the guys I ride with have the same exact tyre and they ride twisties at ease... but I don't! I'm going to switch to road tyres soon.
Need to learn to ride with any tires
Yeah I get your analogy with the guns. I wholeheartedly agree you have to push your boundaries in a controlled environment through practice. Good advice. As an aside, being a person not resident in the USA (I’m an Australian) I absolutely do not get the gun culture in your country and even more so the justifications for gun ownership. I know that’s off topic for the points you make but I couldn’t help making that comment. Anyway cheers from down under 👍😎
I am a new rider with a zx6r. Second season and I seem to have a lean angle mental barrier. I am doing my best to do everything correctly but cant seem to trust that back tire wont slip out around a turn, even being very smooth and gentle with inputs around turn. Any advise? Big fan also. Please keep up the quality content
I don't know anyone else who can transform hand guns into motorbikes and make us understand what's being said. Great work.
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Thank you so much for sharing your experience and expertise. You present it in a clear, logical, intelligent, AND heartfelt way; your love for riding shines through. My question is, I have an opportunity for a very well-priced cruiser in excellent condition but it does not have ABS. I’m a 50y/o beginner. Is ABS a mandatory for me?
As a beginner rider? I would get ABS
My own anecdote is that at times doing the opposite of this is also useful. Being a daily commuter on my bike, sometimes taking a week or so break from riding can "reset" some fears or even bad habits that have been accumulated through those commutes.
Thanks!
Your welcome, glad to see you turned your comments back on☺ thanks for your response.
Everyday I leave my house on my 1200cc touring cruiser for a half mile down a washboard road, then when I hit the pavement, it feels like I glued to the road. I also notice the difference a lot when I put new tires on after riding a little long on older tires. When I come home and hit the dirt, it is back to fundimentals. you learn to trust.
exactly
discovered your channel after i got into an accident, wish i see your videos sooner. thanks for all the info man, keep it up!
Like the old song," You don't know what you've got till it's gone".
How do you dp this if you like me only have one bike (Sport glide) and no access to dirt courses? 🤷🏻♂️
Hey Greg, do your ears ever toughen up after a while from taking off/putting on your helmet? Mine are freaking wrecked after two weeks, still sore and bothers me a lot. Finally bought some super thin beanie style under helmet liners, def helps so far. Is this a common issue or nah?
it's not an issue
Yup it works, get on a dual sport or adventure bike and take it offroad… you feel the limited traction you have, then when you get back on the pavement you feel invincible like you have the most grip in the world.
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I have only owned dirt bikes and one dual sport many years ago. I'm about to buy my first street only bike and I've been concerned about how different the traction will feel. Appreciate the advice. Thanks for your service as well.
appreciate it
I’m working on getting better in turns. I don’t wanna go to fast and low side. Is there any signs that I’m getting close to that point or is it a guessing game? Also what armor would you recommend?
take more formal training, motojitsu.com/courses
I'm going to take my first dirt course with Freddy Blanc at his Dusty MX School down the road in Thuir, France. Wish me luck 🤞 😎 can't wait
One thing I’ll say about short 357 revolvers is that they may kick way more than a 9mm and have more flash, but if they have a barrel shorter than 2 1/2 inches the actual terminal ballistics won’t be much better than a 4 inch barrel 9mm auto because of unburned powder. My 125gr 357 loads are down over 800fps from what the box says out of a 2 inch barrel.
That's why you gotta go with the 4! The 2.5/3 use just a bit too short and the 6 is a bit too long 😅
6 to 8 3/8 inch barrel for 90% of the potential or go all out and get a .357 magnum pistol, caliber carbine with a 16 inch barrel and you’ll get more velocity than the box says 😊
This is amazing. Seriously makes so much sense and now I need to get to this class in Cali.
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+1 for American Supercamp. Those guys are amazing.
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Everyone tells me to ride dirt. You are the first to say why? Awesome video...
and it's just soooo much fun!
I trust the tyres, I dont trust the British roads, pothole after pothole.
When I watch vloggers in the UK doing their videos, I do feel sorry for the riders over there. Narrow roads with mud on the sides and yes potholes! Scotland and Wales don't look too bad on some roads?
@@motoant after each ride the bike gets dirty, almost like a offroad bike 🙁. Potholes are a joke in UK, I have seen better roads in Africa.
Hi Greg. Husband unit and I just bought your program and we have a small challenge. We live in western Washington and finding a parking lot that’s flat, level, paved and empty is proving difficult. We did find one good one except that it’s covered in a thin layer of moss! It’s nerve wracking especially since I dropped my bike in the dark this winter because I didn’t see the moss on the side of the road. So my question is: is there any of the criteria that are less important than the other? For example there is another lot nearby that’s not covered in moss but it’s off camber. What do you recommend?
You don’t need a parking lot to practice…certainly not a perfectly smooth one either.
When i played soccer as a kid, my dad would have us do a scrimmage with a mini soccer ball and then after a while we would switch back to a normal sized one. It makes your control so much better because the ball feels huge
Exactly!
Easy to understand concept! Have you thought of making a video with Brain_636? Would be cool since you both served and love bikes. Hope you have a good weekend :)
No idea who that is
NICELY put. probably why so many top road racers came from dirt first....
yup
Glad to see you daily a 4runner :D
yup
this is the vid i needed! BUT champschool vids and lessons you recommanded where also a big help! You are THE BEST!
thanks
Great analogy.
Do more dirt!
Ok Sir, that thumb nail / your lean angle is the Koolist thing I have ever seen. Cheers
fun time elbow dragging on my previous 2018 BMW S1000R
Hello Greg, I purchased your moto Jitsu book when it first came out but unfortunately I live in a rural area and there is no paved parking lots that the owners will allow me to use in my neighborhood, but I live on 5 acres in the country. If I graded the dirt and compacted it would I be able to do your drills on dirt the same as you do on asphalt?
I have a tiger 1200 XCA with dual sport tires. Thank you.
Do it in dirt, don’t need to be smooth
Basically go out of your comfort zone and beyond your limits. But obviously in a safely manner!
I need to try and get some really good tires on my scooter Benelli Zafferano. Love it handles well enough, but always felt a little sketchy and loose. I can feel that one want to dump w very minimal lean. All other bikes owned or rode much more confidence. Feel better, holds position. My old tmax scooter gave me most confidence. My Trk seems to handle, but dont know how much wsnt to push it. About the size of your Gs w much less power...500.
I like it - well presented - thank you
Glad it was helpful!
As usual you always find a good way to explain things in layman’s terms, and damn you guys are spoilt for choice’s in the states. 👌
I'm a competitive pistol shooter. I would love to come out and trade motorcycle training for pistol training.
Good one! First you get to know traction, then you befriend it and then your life changes.. It becomes your best friend...
ride to the traction you have available to you.
@@MotoJitsu very good point..
that's from the class SoCal Supermoto..he says that in every class
I have a question regarding dealing with complex corners. Don't know if you've already done a video on this, so if you have, maybe a link directly to one would be cool?
Basically, I came off on one which was beyond my current skill level. Approaching a blind crest, I slowed to a little under 25mph. As i went over, it began to bend downhill and to the right. There was an adverse camber, no curb - the road surface simply drops a few inches onto mud and grass, the main tarmac is smooth from car tyre wear, and gravel at the sides. A strong side wind pushed me onto the gravel despite my attempts to look further into the turn, and I low-sided, sliding only about ten feet.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks dude.
For further context, I'm in the UK, so was on the left lane.
@@IronHead42 if you ride in windy day, just take into account randomness of wind and go with speed that you can easily correct random pushes. If you ride on your limit, any random input will catch you off-guard.
Yeah, it was supposed to be a mild day for weather. I think the circumstances and my lack of experience and skill were against me getting a tighter turn. Won't be going up that way again any time soon. Shame really, it's a nice run.
I really like how easy and simple you explain , i hope that even stupid people should be able to understand ✌
Hopefully
Your firearms analogy reminds me of me when I first got my .45-70. Its recoil made my .308 feel like nothing, lol.
Yes!!
i hope you can upload a video on a harley big rear tire in a cornering because big rear tire like 300 or 360 is too difficult to handle in cornering... i hope you can have a video on that and i do really appreciate bro.... thanks!
Bike doesn’t matter…technique does
Sometimes you have to lay a wilderbeast to really understand that maybe your wife was okay all along.
5:03 What is that suoermoto bike that you made fly?
Yamaha?
(pls forgive my ignorance)
DRZ 400 SM
Great analogy!
thanks!
Very good video. Appreciated
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LOL. thanks for the free final smug. still laughing. Cheers ;)
Hey Greg, I’m interested in increasing my cornering skills on the road and eventually doing track days this spring. Do you have private courses that you hold in San Diego?
MotoJitsu.com/courses take SoCal Supermoto and MotoVentures Level 2 as many times as you can...they're awesome courses that'll help you out everywhere. I don't have any courses. Also at Pacific Safety Center they offer the Intermediate and Advanced Riding Clinics.
@@MotoJitsu thank you! I’ll definitely look into these!
they have advanced riding courses at Pacific Safety Center coming up...I used to teach that course there when I was still teaching and that course (the Total Control Advanced Riding Clinic) is all about cornering.
@@MotoJitsu is that one on March 30th in Chula Vista?
didn't check the dates
Kinda like the pink versus the brown...
VG advise, thanks!
welcome
Exactly...
Possible with a car. Go out in the wet, go out in the snow. With a bike, doesn’t really work
Yes it does
I’m always a little puckered on the street with tar snakes and paint.. how much traction is lost with that?
Not much…only if wet as well
Hello Greg and fellow bikers!! 🙋 Sometimes when I'm on a nice curve (good visibility, wide road, relatively good asphalt etc.) I try to check how far I can lean, by really gently adding little counter steering inputs mid corner. My throttle is steady, my body is on the inside of the turn, my speed is not much (cause I'm a chicken, and I don't trust my tires/my skills😅). At some point I feel I'm losing my rear wheel, but supposedly the bike (Rebel500) and the tire have more to give. Pegs not to close to the ground and rear chicken strips are like a finger wide on each side. Any advice? Any idea what I'm doing wrong?🤔
By the way, my tires are the stock Dunlop ones, produced in '22
Yes, stop trying to do this on the road...and speed is what determines your lean angle...if you go through a corner at 50mph the bike will have to lean a certain amount...if you take the same corner at 80mph, it must lean way more in order to make it through. Plus on a cruiser, your limit is your low ground clearance...once you start scrapping your pegs, you're close or your body position is horrible.
@@MotoJitsu actually the conditions on the road I'm talking about are much better than the racing tracks of my country. 😆 I'm talking about parts with ideal conditions and great visibility. Only then I feel confident and safe to take the extra step. Unfortunately, I would need an extra full time job to be able to get on a track day every time I want to practice on twisties. Anyway, how would I dare to go faster and lean more, when I'm already slipping with low speed and little leaning? 😬😰
PS: I'm about to plan my first courses, which I know will be beneficial, when I save some more money.
re-read what I wrote, especially about your bike's low ground clearance and lean angle.
@@MotoJitsu I read it, but as I said, my pegs are still far from touching the ground (I think). My heel touched the ground once, when going uphill, but never my pegs. I feel like I have at least 4-5 inches till my pegs start scraping.🤷
If your foot is touching it’s in the wrong place, if you’re not scrapping your pegs (and have good body position) you’re not riding anywhere near quick enough to warrant enough lean angle. Still is the goal, not lean angle bs you’re chasing
Only in USA 🇺🇸 ah man I wish I make it one day and visit
I just wish you could have used a different comparison.
What difference does it make? Go play in the dirt more, it'll help everything
@@MotoJitsu You missed my point entirely, but no matter, to each their own. Secondly and most importantly to me, if I was physically able to ride in the dirt, I wouldn’t need an automatic bike! Thanks a lot man, all the best to you. ✌️
So not going to tell me the point?
@@MotoJitsu I’m assuming he doesn’t like firearms, which isn’t really relevant to the lesson of the video.
if something bad happens, guess what he'll do? Call someone to come help him who carries a gun.
Got it. It just have to buy 1000cc sport bike to gain confidence with my ninja 400
good idea
All in life is relative
I have a Glock 19 Gen 5...amazing pistol. Love my Glocks
They're pretty sweet!
Good to see you are shootin’
Was hoping you would demo the analogy about “not shooting before you’re on target”
Maybe next time 😅
If this was a video about when to accelerate out of a corner, yes!
What is the Toyota you're driving?
Prius
Gun analogy, Yank. Classic, lol.
thanks
Very good video and analogy!! Really hits the mark (pun intended)😁
Pew pew!
Dude were you a Marine Corps drill instructor in 2010?
2008-2012
Yeah I recognize you. India co. Hope you’re doing well brother
can't complain :)
Train hard, fight easy
Oh yes... timely~!
Can you tell me what Toyota model you're driving? It looks well designed and comfortable. Thanks
Prius
Great video
Thanks! Share it
You should clip that part where you say "Everyone will benefit from shooting 50 rounds of a 357 magnum handgun" and make a short out of it with zero context.
Why?
Awesome analogy for sure. I shot an ar15 and thought it was a lot … but then actually leaned marksmanship with an ar10, and going back to .233 felt like a paintball gun 😅 looks like I need to get some dirt on my life
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No mud here, just lots of wet grass and huge piles of dog poo
Hey Greg, we're you driving without your safety belt on? 🤔
You gotta try a head on without one to appreciate having one😆. Kidding Greg. Love you bro.
I’m not wearing it? lol
thats the main reason I hate revolvers lol :)
Its not the tyres, i dont trust myself...😂🤣
Sp101 nice.
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James Yeager would be proud of you and your Glock 19.
Who?