Canon R8 has Hidden Kill Switch! HDMI Recording to Ninja V
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Can the Canon R8 be used with Atomos Ninja V to record longer 60 FPS videos, or at least 30 fps ones? Can you use the Canon R8 as a streaming camera for longer streams or does the Canon R8 has some other hidden limitations for external recording? Does the canon R8 has clean HDMI at all?
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In manual: To continue HDMI output for longer than 30 min., select [Live View shooting+External monitor], then set [Auto power off] in [Set-up: Power saving] to [Disable]. HDMI output will continue after the camera screen turns off when the time set in [Screen off] elapses.
thank you!
No limitations on the R8 record time. You just need to have the camera set up correctly. I have no issues with the camera shutting down or overheating.
@Godzilla6864 - so you probably live in a freezer 😇 Why would you think thousands of other people have overheating issues?
Wow brave🎉bold speech “shame on you Cannon “ 🎉Congrats Morgonaut Keep create such a useful content 😘 ❤️ love you 🥰
@thepcclinicindia929 - I don't think it's bold. What's really bold is Canon's behavior which I have problem to swallow more and more despite I invested into Canon gear many many many $ :( I even went so far I bought Fuji which absolutely blew my mind - plan some videos about it
Excellent information thank you... I was in the process of making a decision
Glad it was helpful!
Any Camera I own overheats at 4K 60 eventually. Recording internally around 15 minutes here in Texas in the Summer Heat shuts down the Nikon and Canon cameras that I own. So I just shoot 4k 30. I have had the R8 using Ecamm Live Pro on for about 4.5 hours on without it shutting down. But I have extra cameras, and I shuffle them using rotation scenes. Usually at night time I get no overheating but the warning reached 2 bars at an hour and a half when I finished my recording with car vlogging. Great Picture quality and without an IBIS but with digital stabilization only it's ok. BTW I use dummy batteries for all of my cameras and use the regular ones when out and about. Cheers!
@randallbrander8157 - "Any Camera I own overheats at 4K 60 eventually" - well since I understand what you mean thanks God that's not true. My R5Cs never overheat even when shooting 8K/60 in hot environment. Same would be for Z9. But cheaper cameras unfortunately will overheat :( In 2023 it's sad.
@@morgonaut R5C have a fan so does the panasonic GH6 which makes a difference. But I believe some cameras especially with one card slot are for families and not professionals or content creators and unfortunately You pay for what you get. There are some great things with this camera and there are work arounds also. Ulanzi now sell fans that mount on back of cameras. Problem with that is, they need another battery source. Fujifilm has a fan that can work with their cameras. I own a lot of cameras there are plusses and minuses to each one but some companies do not think things through or cripple that camera to have less features then there top tier so it will not encroach the sales of those items. R5C's are Full Frame and have the megapixels plus they are cheaper than the C70's which are cropped sensored. Why did you get the R8? It has a smaller battery like the RP. It doesn't do 8k. My R6 II doesn't either but it never overheats unless you are doing 4k 60 for 15 minutes in this Texas weather in the shade. That is better than my Nikon Z6II and Z7II will do in the same circumstances. Also I take the Marketing from these companies with a grain of salt. What I like doing is to test it out and if it doesn't work it's either shipped back or sold to someone who wants it. Sorry for the Rant! Everybody wants the best product for the cheapest price and the only way to have that option is to wait 4 to 5 years when the price is reasonable. Love your technique in Hackintoshes and ingenuity for showing content. Cheers!
Nice video! like and shared! have a nice week.
@taronai - thanks & have a nice week too.....
oh and patience... I'm reading the comments xD@@morgonaut
Glad you've taken measure to not turn off because of heat! 😂
@sevenodonata - I was personally about to shut off, then I grabbed huge fan and put it next to camera :) Thanks to modern voice isolation algorithms you can't hear it :)
Excelente vídeo !!! Tire uma dúvida, posso gravar no ninja em 4K 30 e full hd 60 no cartão ao mesmo tempo ? Fazendo backup
great video, thanks for the review😉
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oh Lara!, thanks for coming in to watch the video. The quality of it is fantastic, it deserves much more repercussion. copy the link I put in the group and expand it xx
@taronai - which group are you talking about? Do I know it?
Its a personal whatsapp friend group haha I'm threatening them to come in@@morgonaut
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Just got the R8 for a "webcam / studio cam" and its working for what I needed.
I really enjoy the direct webcam mode to use on the computer for external recording or video streaming, but I still seem to get better qualtiy if I use HDMI out to a capture card.
The one piece of info I was looking for (found your video) is does the HDMI have 4K output, and I dont think it does? I am only getting what looks like 1080P HDMI even with my 4K capture card.
I use the R5C for my field recording, so the R8 should do but if no 4K output that is a bit dissapointing.
The HDMI output timeout can be changed in the otpions, so I wonder if that is a new feature or just a setting you needed to change?
@ViciousXUSMC - yes the R8 has 4K hdmi out
@@morgonaut It does, just came back to edit my post. I have 3 different device capture cards I had the wrong HDMI cable plugged in it was going to one of my 1080P capture devices.
That said I just did an A/B test and there is a noticable quality difference between the webcam mode, using 1080P capture, and 4K capture.
But something like Teams, it seemed to like the webcam mode just as much as my capture card since it cant handle the resolution/bandwidth of the capture devices.
You are right again :) good video i 'm waitning for your same video with canon r5 II :)
@vinzsfar9308 - sorry, I don't have R5II and don't planning to waste money on it, not a millionaire :( Sorry
Hi there! Does the R8 have clean hdmi while auto-focussing? I am thinking of buying it for live streaming. Thank you!
@paraschivro - yeah it can still focus during clean HDMI out :)
@@morgonautthank you for your reply. I have doubts now due to hearing you that it shuts off in 4K because of the overheating. I guess I won’t be buying it. Again - thank you for your reply and your content!
Can you make a video on how your UA-cam uploads come out so high quality? I don't even have an HDR display yet I feel like I'm looking straight into a portal and not just a screen watching your videos, especially with the lighting in your MacOS capture card video. Also, you list the cameras you use in your descriptions, but do I need a $2,500 camera just to get this insane lighting/detail/color etc. quality in a UA-cam upload? Or can the same be done with something like a Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K?
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What about when you use external battery, I did same with Sony a7iv when I need for camera C.
I can recorded for 3 hours no overheating 50fps.
@rousedvideo3380 - I don't have external battery, I shared my experience right after I bought it. So obviously I returned it back already. And yes, you can record what you want on Sony, not on Canon and through HDMI it will still cut off each 30 minutes which is unacceptable. And thanks for your dislike.
Great video! Thank you for your warning and message to Canon, too... 🙏 We have so many of their cameras, but we're definitely considering switching systems if they keep artificially crippling their cams, and don't re-open to 3rd party lenses.
@MonksJazzClub - I'm happy to help. But read comments under this video, some people pointed put this can be "fixed" by some settings
@@morgonaut will do
all my questions in 1 video! thanks!
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I bought this camera knowing it had overheating issues if shooting 4K 60fps. The thing is it won’t be done continuously and shutting down the camera to help cool down. But I didn’t know the HDMI kill switch, that really sucks.
Have you tried a test with an external battery to see if that helps with overheating? Warning, use a cable that connects the USB-C to a V-Mount Battery or USB-C to Dummy Battery directly. Do not use those cables that split in different points to be attached to each other. Use a full single cable.
@WarlordDestroyer - no I didn't test any dummy battery because I didn't want to invest even more money to this crappy camera full of limitations. I'm not a millionaire to waste money on Canon's greed
@@morgonautI’ve been doubting about Canon’s honesty ways back even before they launched Canon 5D Mark III (minimum improvements but still charging big bucks) ‘till they very recently got better with this R Mirrorless line (not as good as compared to Sony). I know you were being sarcastic about “I’m not a millionaire”, neither am I… But you own 3 Canon R5C’s, that’s +$4,000 USD each camera. What’s spending like $40 bucks on a cable to see if maybe that way you can get some extra time without overheating at 4K 60fps? If it doesn’t work you can keep the cable to power one of your R5C’s. And what’s best, that money won’t go to Canon’s pockets as they don’t fabricate USB-C to P-Tap cables like Kondor Blue does (Or a USB-C cable to USB-C cable to power through a 65W capable PowerBank). Anyways, nice test. Helped me to know about that kill switch as another flaw of the R8 and even making me think why I didn’t go with a Sony FX30.
@WarlordDestroyer - R5C will not be able to run for 8K/60/AF when powered from dummy/dtap! And $40 expense is not the only one. Time is also expensive. And I already did get rid of the R8
zero kill switch, you just adjust in settings for live view,
非常感谢你的答案，这真的对我的帮助很大😭
There is already a video of disassembly on youtube and we can see clearly that there is no heatsink or even thermal pads on the R8 processor (R6 II has thermal pads). Nice scam Canon!
Moreover, in the place where the processor could touch the metal plate if thermal pads were added, a cut was made so that users could not simply add them themselves and assemble the camera back, but would require more serious intervention in the insides of the camera.
@panicaz - interesting information, but would be better if you share that video, otherwise it's weak claim
@@morgonaut watch?v=poZpwB5_m84
for everybody interested - this is the full link to that teardown video: ua-cam.com/video/poZpwB5_m84/v-deo.html
Canon did this on purpose? 😢they suck. Sounds like R8 is not good for video. Does it really good for sports & wild photography? Or R6 is a better option?
@ericcoen8894 - every company do these artificial limitations intentionally. Sad but true. They segment the portfolio, so if you don't like limitation "XY" then you have option to buy more expensive model etc.
@@morgonaut R8 is only an update model from RP?
I intended to buy this camera. Thank goodness I watched your video before that.
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I've been using the R8 + Ninja V combo since the canon R8 release, it work flawlessly. Doesn't overheat or turn off on me. In this video her testing methodology was flawed, she didn't enable the HDMI External function in the camera's menu, that's why it overheats. She uses the info button to hide info display on the camera thinking its clean feed. Lmao
The reality is that the canon R8 is a still camera with videos features.
If you want unlimited 60p get a video camera 😅
@Halovice - no that's not reality, maybe just your one, in fact what you wrote is absolute BS, based on your sick logic Canon R6mII should never be considered video camera despite Canon gave it unlimited 4K/60, same for Canon R5 etc. :))))) The kill switch in R8 is for any resolution and frame rate. It's shame
This video doesn't make any sense, your testing methodology is flawed. I've been using the Canon R8 since release, sure the internal recording is impeded sometimes due to overheating, however once you record videos through the Atomos Ninja V, it doesn't overheat. I've been using this R8 + Ninja V combo to shoot long form events, interview, and even timelapse (Ninja V Function), Never once it overheated or turn off on me. Btw to get clean feed from the Canon R8, you don't just press the info button to hide the info display this way you're still not exporting clean feed through HDMI. There's a function in Canon's Menu to enable that feature, it can output Clean feed through HDMI and still show the info display on the internal screen to judge exposure and etc. It seems to me that you didn't dive into the Canon's Menu deep enough to look for the HDMI External function.
@cs2ed - look, I own from R6 to R5C cameras, I know how Canon cameras work, I know their menu from top to bottom. So go ahead and spit on me, it's so easy. In contrast to you there is lot of grateful people who value my honest will to help and for free!
@@morgonaut I possess a diverse collection of cameras, predominantly Sony models such as the FX6 and FX9, geared towards achieving cinema quality results in productions. Nevertheless, I also maintain a selection of more affordable and budget-friendly cameras to cater to varying client budgets and production requirements. The Canon lineup, particularly the R5C, R6MK2, and even the R8 for its compactness and portability, sees significant use in my work. I employ these cameras without encountering overheating issues, especially when recording externally to the Ninja V or routing through an external capture to a vision mixer for live production. The cameras remain operational for extended periods, so long its powered by dummy batteries.
I appreciate your sincerity in sharing your experiences in your videos, and I'm not hating on your content. In fact, I really enjoy your Hackintosh videos. However, I just wanted to highlight that there were flaws in your testing methodology.
@@morgonaut my canon R8 doesn’t turn off every 30 min to hdmi , I believe you need to update your video and look deeper into the menu, I have been shooting livestream to
e-cam for more then two hours and the hdmi does not turn off , I was actually hoping you can help us find good ways to change our r8 settings and I honestly almost retuned my r8 because of your video , but thankfully I took my time and carefully edited some menu options on my r8 and now I’m very happy with my decision to keep it . For example you didn’t even address the low resolution hdmi limitations for battery preservation, I disabled it and got very beautiful hdmi output video quality, I believe you should update this video and not give your audience bad impression of the R8
@@AlejandroGarcia-ft8tg - on youtube you cannot "update videos", once it's uploaded then it's such forever. But I still behind my video. I didn't produce it to harm Canon, I bought the R8 with the intention to keep it and enjoy it but I was very disappointed so I produced video to warn people. Why don't you produce your own video to help people your way?
@@morgonautI think it’s fair for them to provide positive criticism to inform, not downplay or insult, your video. You defend yourself and welcome them to make their own review videos without acknowledging their contributions and what they could possibly be educating you on. It’s ok to accept their comments and further the discussion instead of sending them off and shutting down. Thank you for the time, effort, and information you put into your videos.
Acá un comentario en español para los que me leen, acabo de comprar una R8, he tenido muchísimas cámaras canon, mucho más que esta señora loca qué se enoja si le dices que se equivoco, y te dice que tiene muchas cámaras canon (como si eso le impidiera cometer errores) y qu dice que hagas tu propio canal.
Verán, la cámara Graba indefinidamente con el átomos V, yo ya lo hice, solo que la señora dice que hay que apretar el botón de info varias veces, lo cual no te lleva a un verdadero clean hdmi.
Ahí esta el problema, si vas al menú en salida hdmi, hay una opción donde en una oantslla(la de la cámara) viene la información de tus valores, y en hdmi sale limpio, así puedes ver tu iso, diafragma y shutter mientras grabas y al mismo tiempo grabar en el átomos limpio, así podrás grabar indefinidamente!!
Saludos a los de habla hispana!
En que formatos me premite grabar el atomos con la R8?
I would like to strongly request that the expression "R8 has Hidden Kill Switch!" be corrected.
The reason why the external output signal is cut off after every 30 minutes is because you are not following the basic etiquette required when recording externally with an EOS camera.
This is common to many EOS cameras, not just the R8. On some page of the menu there is an "HDMI display" item. The settings here are key.
[📷+🖥️] : Be sure to select this when recording externally.
[🖥️] : This is set by default. Do not select this when recording externally. This is the reason for the misunderstanding that there is a "Kill Switch".
@PumoPumo. - I owned like dozen of Canon cameras and still use 3 of them, you don't have to teach eagle to fly! I tried all possible settings, I wasted so much time on it and I will not waste it even more. Fact is Canon is greedy company which pits strange artificial limits to it's cameras to sell you higher end models to get more revenue, but I don't like it obviously and I will not tolerate it!
@PumoPumo. - BTW I even went so far after I released this video I bought again R6 Mark II just to do further testing and that camera pissed me off even more than the R8!
I can only say that I am sorry that you have been tried and wasted your time.
However, if there was a world line where other EOS users were having the same problem as you, it would have become a big deal long before you made a fuss.
It's very puzzling, but it's something that only happens in your case.
Just to be sure, I used the following equipment that I have to verify the behavior of [📷+🖥️] and [🖥️].
EOS R8 (Firmware Ver1.00), Powered by external battery via DR-E18 coupler, Size and fps is 4K 29.97P.
NINJA V (AtomOS 10.90.01), Powered by external battery via F570 coupler, Record in H.265 MQ format.
The test results are as follows.
[📷+🖥️] : As long as I disabled "Auto power off" in Power Saving, NINJA V continued recording for hours until the external battery ran out.
[🖥️] : Even if I disabled both "Screen off" and "Auto power off" in Power Saving, after 30 minutes of camera operation, the external output video stopped and NINJA V stopped recording.
@PumoPumo. - I didn't make and fuss as you wrote. I just shared my own experience in a good will to help people, but my experience was not pleasant. Period. Take it or leave it. Make your own videos to educate people and share your own experience too. And then wait for comments 😂
I use canon r 50 with full hd and 5 hours no overheat. In 4k 30 fps 45 minuts( Fanks for content!
Thank you SO MUCH... I could not find a definitive answer ANYWHERE about this :) ... I wanted a near infinite HDMI / Studio recording capability. I will not go R8. Maybe I'll get a Black Magic Studio Mini 4k. Don't think it willy nilly shuts off and is $995. Its micro 4 thirds, but still.
@SierraHighCountry - I'm happy to help. Yeah the new Blackmagic cameras are tempting, thinking about it too. Best thanks would be if you share my videos on forums/socials so it can help to more people and that will in return help to me to produce for you more quality content and still for free. And/or if you are really grateful for my help you can click under my video on the THANKS button, that will again help me keep producing for you useful content for free
You will get infinite HDMI record capability, i been using the R8 + Ninja V combo since the canon R8 release, it work flawlessly. Doesn't overheat or turn off on me. In this video her testing methodology was flawed, she didn't enable the HDMI External function in the camera's menu, that's why it overheats. She uses the info button to hide info display on the camera thinking its clean feed. Lmao
@@atVantagePoint4Kappreciate the knowledge, r8 hasn’t left my sights for my next cam (more video user here), even with the possible flaw. But if there’s menu item that assists in an hdmi feed infinitely … that’s all I need 💪🏼
I have a Canon R8 that I have only used 3 or 4 times. Late.. But now I know I have to look more before buying. Thank you. 😆
Muchas Gracias por tu video!
Can you record ProRes with this camera using the atomos V ? what kind if codecs does it let you with the Atomos?
@Marcarfel - the Atomos will let you record any format supported on the Ninja V obviously, but as I showed in this video only for shorter clips
@@morgonautwhat about ProRes Raw? the R6 mkii has the option, technically the R8 has the same sensor and processor, thanks a lot for our response time!
@Marcarfel - the R8 does not support ProRes RAW
@@morgonauteven thru the ninja v ?
Thank you!
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They getting greedy now. I may still get this camera but man. I dont need anymore than 15min for my flow. thanks for the information.
@Photoshopuzr - I'm out, I will not give my money to such greedy companies anymore. Thanks God there are camera brands which do care much more
My dear Morgonaut, please fix your vocal audio. In the past sounds better with bass levels. Excellent info as always 🎉
@stplegacy - sorry, my sound is as best as it can be, I can't return to God my voice so he/she can repair it! I'm not deaf. If you don't like my voice then there is only single solution for that - stop watching my videos.
That’s not the point, I talk about edition not your voice, i don’t understand why you take this as offensive 😢 i repeat, not your voice, only audio edition.
MacPro 2019 ram upgrade have a better vocal audio
@stplegacy - and I repeat it is my voice what's problematic, not editing! Sure I take it very offensive when you attack my own personality! It's not fair. I waste my time, money, effort, knowledge to bring you FREE videos and I get kick into my face from you. Thank you very much! BTW I wish you to have my voice. That would be fun to watch you desperately trying to do miracles with it in editing. And then wait for what "amazing" comments you will get. And from what I can see it looks like everybody is much better producer than me, right?
can we will see you with Sony soon ? to get more angry with Sony's overheat problems :D
@yusufboz164 - no, the problems were not about overheating but about detail. If you would read comments under that Sony video you would know I did get rid of it and solved it's problems by getting several R5c cameras.
@yusufboz164 - overheating problems I covered in my Canon R6 Mark II video, Sony didn't have overheating problems
Is there a fan pushing air on your face? 🤔
I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone else do that!! Good to be different 😊
@EverythingCameFromNothing - yes, because it was extremely hot in my studio (and as you could see even one of my lights turned off due to overheating in the middle of the shoot) I had a huge fan next to my camera blowing to my face. And BTW I don't have to have fan to be different than everybody else 😂
@@morgonaut I’m no knocking it!! You do your thing 😃
Oh, i thought that light was a smart light and turned off when you said “turn off” 🙃
@EverythingCameFromNothing - darling really :) the timing was perfect, so unique moment. What a coincidence. My lights are not so smart, they don't care about what I say :)
@@morgonaut 😆
HDMI feed disconect every 30min? Have not heard that before. Maybe if you hit record on external recorder and not the camera?
@seragram - if you don't bother to watch this short video then don't comment! If you would watch you would know I recorded everything only on the Atomos! OMG! 👿