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How Predatory Is Diablo Immortal? - AllCraft With Quin69 & Josh Strife Hayes
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2022
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#diablo #Asmongold #quin69 #joshstrifehayes
Please make Josh a permanent or reoccurring third on Allcraft. His input is top tier 👌
it felt like his show with 3 guests lol
Definitely!
And never bring on Quin again.
100% this
He's a tool. Hopefully Asmon and Rich will catch on to that the more time they spend with him.
“I’ve spent nothing.”
Josh is the control of this experiment.
He is the one. He can see the Matrix. This founding fathers are future leaders of Zion gaming.
no experiment is valid without it
yupp. The rest thinks their viewers are just as dumb as blizzard thinks. "we spend this money to prove it's p2w" really? that's blizzard low insult
Aren't a lot of people actually? I haven't gotten a _"Blizzard fix"_ since the first six months of BfA.
When WoW first came out I played pretty much from start to half a year into TBC. And then it just went downhill and I started subscribing less and less. *WHY?*
Guess why - cause the game's content stretched too much.
And I felt like it was more profitable for me to come back every 1 or 2 years or so for just 6 months so that I could collect stuff on my own, especially in raids from older expansions, then having to go through it with other people.
The feeling of freedom was just off the sharts.
But then I noticed timesinks sh°t for the first time in the most uncomfortable way too.
You can only farm raids once a week.
Some instances only once a day and such...!
Kinda made me disgusted in the long run.
And in the end it never truly made me feel like I was losing out more on the collectors side as on the frustration side I would have had, if I had always subscribed.
Why some people get so insanely addicted over a game - even if it is very good - I just cannot understand.
One day it will all be over. In many ways WoW is already over. It has become ugly.
Wokeness is there, SJW bullsh°t is there, "EARTH diversity" is there... blue eyes Highelve customization for Bloodelves... what for a clownshow. :D
They are not even trying anymore.
@@JarSpiral The architect concurs.
Josh is the perfect guest, listens intently, doesn't fight for speaking time, and always talks about relevant points with the professional sounding english accent to wrap up the whole package
Totally agreed, Josh for White House Speaker!
If Josh keeps growing and following his current path, I think he could become the true successor of TB. He has the voice, the calm demeanor, strong background knowledge, is fiercely pro-consumer. Also is a Brit. I wish him the best.
Good guy Josh
@@Daihatski he'll have a sexual assault case or we'll find out he has bodies stashed behind his display cases.
When I liked you comment, I was number 666.
😎 Perfect imperfection 😈
Your comment is the truth. Watching Josh is a great example of someone in control of themselves.
🤔 I wonder if Josh has made a video talking about learning to present himself during live broadcasts.
I'd to like to learn how to speak more clearly and control myself in such a professional way.
The story of Josh looking for a chest for 30 minutes not to open it perfectly sums up his content and why I watch it.
so you enjoy the chase rather than the price?
@@ingolf82 chase is sometimes an exhilarating endeavor, like you catch that annoying kid and smack it
I was tricked into listening to that man for 3 hours looping several times while doing a reaction and I've been an avid fan ever since
@@ingolf82 this. this is greatness.
Timestamp pls
I love that chat goes GIGACHAD whenever Josh speaks.
Josh is a GEM.
Respect everyone that didn't pay a dime for those whack-a-wallet f2p titles, it's the most gigachad move.
He radiates gigachad energy
@@neku2741 That's because he is, he was a martial artist and a coach 😎
Josh is a true down to earth intellectual. Deserves all the respect
It's borderline fangirling. I love it :)
Josh was the smartest guy there simply by not giving Immortal any money lol
Also by everything else
#truth
He gave something more valuable. Time
@@wiccapowerify he didn't even play for that long what the fuck do you mean, also he's obviously giving time to every fucking game since he makes reviews for them
@@wiccapowerify he does this for a living, so it's not a waste of time for him, his video on Diablo Immortal got more than a million views.
Asmongold: Makes good and insightful points, sounds like your crazy drunk uncle.
Josh: Makes good and insightful points, sounds like a sophisticated nobleman.
It’s 100% the accent.
Nah josh is absolutely sharper
@@TylerRayPittman he really not. he may be clearer but asmon is way sharper . he is alwys flipping what people are saying in all his streams . he is smarter than you think . I think you are just bad at understanding abstract thoughts . tldr Josh clearer easier to understand , Asmon a bit more chaotic but the substance is a bit deeper
@@zakariaarroub2701 lmao okay has nothing to do with him just rambling like an intolerable pseudo intellectual, and I do enjoy watching him
@@zakariaarroub2701 "he is always flipping what people are saying in all his streams" pretty sure you haven't watched Josh turn one random out of context or hate comment into a 20min content goldmine out of thin air.
Josh also uses amore sophisticated and verbose vocabulary while also maintaining a smooth flow of speech.
"Oh My God you read too?" Rich starts blushing....Josh being a chad might be too much for this podcast XD
WheretheEels: "I've done the math I think it's about 13 000 USD"
Stallingway: "I feel so much worse now I've spent 20 000 USD"
Gigachad Josh: *Smugly drinks his tea in "I've spent nothing."*
Timestamp?
@@RockandStoneVForKarl ua-cam.com/video/DPBr9IrVP-I/v-deo.html lol
@@RockandStoneVForKarl It started that way.
@@RockandStoneVForKarl BRUH, WATCH THE VIDEO
@@RockandStoneVForKarl ua-cam.com/video/ZyUAApFw2hI/v-deo.html
"I spend nothing."
That single sentence emanates the greatest of power
play the game
spend nothing
reaches level 50
quits to play PoE
Gigachad
Because Josh is the only adult person in this video
Blizzard hates him! See more to see how he did it like a Chad
Yeah. Just the powermove.
The most hilarious part of this vid is when Rich falls in love with Josh at exactly 1:38:53 you can just see it.
Josh said 'you can't step in the same river twice' and Rich gets all red and flustered, his face just shows it all. Love that :D
He then proceeds to reference the phrase when excusing himself later, and keeps looking back as Josh bursts out laughing lol
1:57:10
1:40:08 he drops a good one himself lol
I'm so glad the entire VoD captures the intensity both Rich and Chat being down bad for Chad Hayes.
Finally Josh made it to Allcraft, finally Allcraft is a Main Monitor Podcast :D
Protagonis character hahahha
You mean finally Allcraft made it to Josh! 😂
Ironically, the first time he is on us the first time i watch it on my second monitor
Josh has so much Second Monitor power, Allcraft didn't put him to main monitor content, he brought Allcraft to second monitor with him XD
He’s too negative for me D: I don’t like his energy always negative.
What an absolute pleasure listening to him. He sounds like an English literature professor, so well spoken and calm. This is an example how to be a GIGACHAD without being cocky or full of yourself.
We don't deserve him.
Reupload it on Asmons channel for full expose and better quality please. Josh killed it
Josh actually was a teacher :)
compared to most UA-camrs he understands game-design really well
the only guy I've seen understand game-design better than him is Game Maker's Toolkit who's literally a Game-designer, so it's a compliment for Josh to understand these games almost as good as experts.
Get a room
I recommed his channel to you he has an incredible series of exposing awful mmorpg kickstarter projects and bad mmorpgs, I'm myself not an active player in that materia but listening to him breaking down every detail about a game is so informative and teached me alot of predatory structure the corporate on.
Man it's so cringe when people start worshipping youtubers like this
Me: struggling to keep my family up in this economy
Rich/Quinn: we spent 1/3 that man’s salary each on literally nothing
If you think that is bad, wait till you hear what entrance fees to VIP-Boxes at sporting events cost....
Or how much money a really expensive car looses in worth....
OK, this is just me saying: NOTHING about this is new. Tulips in the Netherlands come to mind.
@I I respectfully disagree: If you get pleasure from watching a Broadway-play, and you decide that its OK to pay 2.000$ for that, how is it different from playing a game? You are left with nothing in your hands.
If you go to a restaurant and pay a premium for the same nutritional value (eating fruits at home: $5, going to el Bulli that's $ 500,-. You got SOMETHING, but you payed extra for the experience. And you are also left with nothing btw.
Me as a third worlder: that man spent almost 4 times my annual income on literally nothing
im with you, $10-$20k would be life changing for me and my family and these dudes are throwing it in a money shredder just cause.
whats the point of busting my ass at work.
@@eddiebernays514 Hint: there isn't. Far richer men than them have spent money on nothing in a single day than you'll ever earn in your entire life.
Josh's charisma is too much man, He's highly intelligent and knowledgable, He's looks physically (unironicaly) alpha as fuck, but man his god damn voice is just on another level.
Yep he definitely stood out compared to the rest of the guys haha.
I always enjoy Josh’s takes on these kinds of things, his reviews of games and their design is spot on
@@Detlevboi Tbh, out of all four of them, he's probably the one that does that the least :D
Glad to see his channel exploding after that Diablo review. He deserves every subscriber he gets
@@casperfang7963 The masses don't like people that are smarter then them, no wonder he doesn't have millions of subs. We need more like him.
edit: than them*
We progably get there because of Asmongold but he is not the star of this discussion as he only reusing ideas from his monologues. Just like Eminem in D12.
Single-handedly turned Allcraft into 2nd monitor content, what a chad.
lmao
second main monitor hehehehe
I really enjoyed Josh Strife's show and his guests
Can we please make Josh a regular guest? He's an absolute treasure
Plz plz plz pretty plz 🙏
josh is fucking amazing sitting and listening to everyones points then he speaks. brings up points from the other members and has a legitimate and intellectual comment remaining so calm the entire time showing his intelligence without bragging.
You know society is going downhill when being normal and having a reasonable conversation is considered "fucking amazing".
@@SkelNeldory normal makes no sense in that sentence then, you mean being unbiased and civilized probably.
@@SkelNeldory normal is whatever most people do. By your own admission listening to someone and earnestly addressing their points is not normal.
@@mckinleyostvig7135 Actually in this context normal does not mean "whatever most people do" it means "not exhibiting defect or irregularity" there's a big difference. You seem to lack critical thinking and reading comprehension skills though so it's understandable you would be so confused.
@@nirorit I appreciate your suggestions and I would agree that unbiased and civilized are great descriptors of him but see my above comment as to why normal is the word I chose. Feel free to use a dictionary.
Josh has such a warm way of speaking and he makes you wanna listen when he speaks.
Incredibly intelligent but never makes you feel dumb, his natural teaching skills just educates you.
I can't stress how awesome that is considering he ain't reading off some script, he just starts talking and the points start flowing.
I really like his voice recording setup
The level of knowledge, gaming understanding and grounded opinions we got in this AllCraft was insane. And it was also amazingly entertaining.
One thing I love is how the two big spenders have pretty bare bone rooms (granted they are probably streaming rooms), and Josh "I've spent nothing" Strife Hayes has 4 visible bookshelves filled with neatly arranged video game boxes. Someone looking at just a still would think, well clearly the guy with the video game background is the biggest whale.
Lol the two with the blank rooms spent all their cash on microtransactions. Other dude still has money for his collection since he didnt give it all to diablo immortal xD
"I'm just excited to be on the main monitor" Josh just killed me
Seeing Rich and Quin talk about Platinum, I saw 5/5* Phoenix for 80k on my server, the temptation I felt as a f2p dedicated to never spend anything on power in this game was unreal
Stop playing the game. Is your time really worth that little? Why not just play Diablo 3? You are the reason games like this succeed because you play it regardless of what the devs do
Why are you playing it?
Why care for the platinum, it has no actual value.
@@rayvg7709 Platinum is the only real way you can progress the game long term without spending
also @MV740 @Ano Nony why I play, for the social aspect, I'm playing with some mates in a clan seeing how far we can get on our server, currently top 10 shadow, ofc if I wasn't trying to help the clan I would quit the game already and download D2, I have no interest in D3, DI is the only Diablo "MMO" that we get, if it gets better it might be enjoyable game, if it doesn't, well, just another New World
@@anonony9081 d3 is garbage too mate. Its where diablo died. Play something good. Your life is too short.
Invite Josh more into an mmo talk , he is really calm and has some really good points. He is like an university profesor, he really knows his shit.
Haha he's like a university professor but for MMOs
@@Volvoc kinda crazy how good he was live and congruent he was with his UA-cam stuff. It made me like him more.
@@ericconrad8854 he's like this on his streams normally as well. Even addressing random points in chat. Josh is just a scholar and a gentleman of the highest order.
Well, he used to be a teacher and I think a martial arts teacher as well.
I wished my university professors were like him.
22:25 josh’s reaction here is priceless lmao
Josh sounds super professional. I mean, obviously he would sound like that in videos, cuz they are prerecorded, but he sounds exactly the same in more free-styled format like in podcast. Well structured, coherent and really based speech.
AND he reads
Wow it's crazy how much Josh stands out as a person in this group. Gigachad vibes
Chad Strife Hayes, sitting there quietly, drinking all of our tears from his mug....
I find myself listening to Josh for games I don't even play. Such great input
It was nice to see Josh interact with these guys. Hope he continues to find success as a measured, well spoken, intellectual and, most importantly, positive person in the space. Great discussion all around on what I'm sure will be a continued topic of importance in years to come.
I love how josh here is just being a massive chad
I can't believe that Josh Strife Hayes is on my primary monitor instead of my secondary monitor right now, moving on up!
Josh has the best facial reactions everytime they mention that they spent money on the game.
Glad to see Josh on allcraft, guy is brilliant and deserves a much larger platform
God i love Rich's reactions every time Josh speaks. Man just melts
and everyone understands
He is way to hot to be in our kind of community
Nice to see how Josh is on a huge wave up! So much deserved. Just a smart, humble, experienced guy. Best MMO-UA-camr currently
Eh, I would say ThorHighHeels is but to each their own
Listening to Quin, especially around the 50min mark (and onwards) makes me constantly feel with the "Oh, sweet summer child." vibes
"Peaple are hyping it up like its a real thing, but its not..."
-Man who has spent ~13,000$ USD
This was the best AllCraft episode yet.
I have watched everyone from the start (RIP Hotted) and I whole heartedly agree. I have enjoyed a lot of Josh's videos but he was almost more on point live here.
@@ericconrad8854 Yeah rip hotted i miss him playing wow. But the preach ones were very good as well.
The faces Josh makes when they are talking about how much they have spent kinda makes me laugh.
Right? He's like "these clowns are serious? "
@@raijuko but respectfully
@@smallpandochka no need to respect that kind of behaviour
@@crelgen1588 but he respects the people involved in this conversation, isn't he?
@@crelgen1588 If people are having a good time he doesn't really care. Live and let live to the highest degree is what he is going for.
I love watching Rich enjoying every moment when Josh talks
Great cast, great conversation. Could've easily listened to double this
Rich fan-girling over Josh is just the pinnacle of hilarity. xD
Rich yet again exuding bi energy
he was legit crushing on josh
@@aranox to be fair, have you seen Josh? Heard him talk? I think it's a justified reaction.
@@braindead5283 yes i've seen him pop up now and then on my second monitor
Well so does entire chat and comment section
Honestly so much wisdom in one chat, this is more than just some gamers chilling, this game is dangerous and manipulative and this discussion alone is so informative its something of a weapon against these sneaky tactics from blizz
Far out josh has some really good takes on a lot of topics. It makes a lot of sense but when he articulates it so concisely you really see something for what it is. It’s the difference between saying “this is wrong” and saying exactly for what reasons it is wrong and what it is doing
Josh always speaks like he's an oldschool british gentleman, but watch his streams and you quickly come to understand that he is the biggest troll ever
Josh is like what Americans think of British people. Bellular and Matt are closer to how British people are perceived by Europeans, but still they're too good.
@@someguy3508 You do know that Brits are europeans right?
@@nimmha6708 yea?
@@someguy3508 ok, I read it like they are seperate.. my fault.
@@nimmha6708 not mailand europe hehe
This was an awesome podcast, I laughed, I got angry, I got attracted to Josh. 10/10
The average experience
Josh is so good at wording his concerns (and thoroughly thought about). Love the man
Asmon bringing up the Final Fantasy thing right to Quin's face regarding people moving on from controversies was hysterical. What a burn.
I like Rich a lot. One quality that really stands out to me is that he's very honest about his degenerate gacha game addiction/behavior.
Josh's the smartest out of all of these streamers who played diablo immortal. If you dont like the game, dont make excuses to feed your gambling addiction like "Oh no guys, I'm only showing you how bad the game is by spending 20,000 United States Dollars!"
It'a not gambling addict, it's wasting money addict
I think Asmon enjoyed the game at the beginning. Eventually you get bored. He tries to play it off but at least for a few days, he enjoyed it. He overspent for content, but if he wasn't a streamer he'd still spend a little bit.
And then rich goes on to talk about blizzard being a “pay first” company when people like him are the reason why games like Diablo Immortal exist. I know damn well blizzard has watched all of these famous streamers spend insane amounts of money on pay2win games and influence their audience to spend money. Yea the audience won’t spend the same amount but if 2,000 viewers spend at least 100 bucks that’s 20k right there. And I know damn well if your the type of person to spend 100 bucks, you are also the type to spend even more than that because you think “well I have already invested this much so I might as well keep going”.
Here we fucking go again, people crying over how other spends their fucking money, just blame the one who make this scam of a game and move tf on.
@@mug281 your right. hypocrites say something and do the opposite, complaining about predatory monetary systems then supporting it by spending thousands is hypocritical.
As someone who has done professional community management in gaming, the discussion on the value of good will (brand deposits/withdrawals) was sublime. I've been talking about this phenomena for years, and it was refreshing to see distinguished gamer talking heads speak about it so well.
really enjoyed this allcraft talk cheers to you guys!
Josh is a fine cup of tea for the round not joking
This is my favorite episode so far. It made me love Quin and gain even more respect for Josh. Hope they'll show up again sometime in future episodes.
Where were the eels!
@@imaran1303 FF14 BEST COMMUNITY? *vomit sounds*
@@lordsephiroth93 Yep, best community, we can still laugh about people becoming memes. Don't wanna be a meme, don't be stupid. And Quin WAS stupid. So now, his meme of 'WHERE WERE THE EELS!' Will be forever immortalized. Heck, even Grinding Gear got to experience the idiocy that was Quin when they were doing Omega.
@@imaran1303 ua-cam.com/video/BllC7MKocfg/v-deo.html
@@imaran1303 As someone who has been playing FF 14 for a while people like you are the reason why there are still enough players who don't regard the ff community as the "best community".
I've been watching Asmon and Quin for a looong time and it's astonishing that whenever Quin interacts with someone like Asmon there are allways a couple of FF 14 guys sending hate in Asmons chat or Twitter towards him.
He's 100% living rent free in your heads. Get a grip and move on.
People aren't meme'ing about Asmongold when he said that FF 14 is a trashy weeb game for losers and pedos a few years ago. Or when he claimed that most Lala players are probably pedos IRL relativly recently.
Why? Because he changed his mind and likes the game now. His "stupid" wasn't immortalized. But Quin's is - because he still dislikes the game and dropped it.
And if there is one thing every MMO player knows about - it's that the cultlike FF 14 community weaponizes against everyone who doesn't like their game.
I am allways disappointed when I see comments like these.
Why is it that Quin "can be stupid" with any game and all their communitys just laugh along and move on, but the FF 14 community just can't and has to trash him whenever they hear his name. Doesn't sound very nice and welcoming to me.
Also just as a small footnote: Don't use "we" when you are talking about your opinion, acting like the whole community stands behind your statement. It's cringe.
Diablo immortal was actually targetted towards streamers because they knew that streamers would try to outspend each other
That's a fucking hilarious theory tbh lol
This is the dawn of the era of Hyper Whales, that dont drawn on the finances of a player, but instead on the finances of an entire Streamer Community
@@badassoverlordzetta that will only happen when more of the younger generation brain dead kids with no self respect start allowing more and more of these predatory acts. If you don’t respect yourself, nobody else will either.
mad respect for the few F2P streamers like Josh or Demone Kim
@@JonathanWinegar badass is right they milk the streaming communitys and the streamers agree withc it . streamers are the whales that make the games shie ttt in th elong run .fifa is the best example . I think in games like this the gameplay is a gamble itself. They do everything to make the game is just based on casual gamers who just spent way to much on a single game and then the game developers dont have to care for the rest of the gamers anymore. this ´things have to stop or they have to be limits in what you can do byu on a game. if not i think he is right that hte future of games are indie games like gameplay wise.
You guys should see if josh would be willing to be a reoccurring guest his input was incredibly impactful for the podcast
As a software engineer and a gamer, I love this discussion! Keep rocking it!
i reallyyyyyy enjoy the line-up for this episode. You have different interesting perspectives on one subject, and I also love the chemistry you guys have together. Great listen :D
One of the greatest points made in this video was about halfway through (around 1:09:00) when Asmongold talked about a rating system. As a parent, I think a system like this is needed in order to protect children from this sort of predatory system. Otherwise, a whole generation is sucked into gambling addictions unlike any previous generation in history, and that (I personally believe) has an overwhelming impact on society as a whole, whether that be relationships/marriages, class systems, future children's well-being, psychological problems, homelessness to an unbelievable degree, etc., etc.....It's just insane how common systems like this are now relative to before everyone carried a phone around on their person. Before, if you wanted to gamble, you'd have to travel to a casino or take a specific cruise ship. Now, you pull out your phone on the toilet. In this kind of economy and world unrest, is that kind of availability to addictive behavior really what society needs? Do we REALLY need to be creating hundreds of millions more zombie/drone children that are slaves to major corporations/CEOs who live rich off the labor of all of them? Just a thought.
But like, don't we already have PEGI and shit (which has gambling as a content descriptor too) and nobody pays attention to those sorts of things?
@@joao20able True....laws have no effect if not enforced.
The actual issue is in parenting.
@@MV-ri7zu Do you have kids? Unless you're a crazy helicopter parent you can't see what your kid is doing 100% of the time and kids learn how to lie, cheat, and steal pretty quick. It's human nature. The only way you can guarantee keeping them from predatory is to never let them touch a video game while they're under your roof. Which honestly is probably for the best but is the extreme option. Particularly if both parents work long hours to afford living decently. Parenting is tough and any help we can get is welcome imho.
@@talkingmudcrab718 The parents are the group with the most control over the kid. Parental controls exist on just about every console possible for kids below the age of 13 and young kids don't need personal electronics unless you want to get them something like an NDS.
Beyond that kids talk about what they are interested in and what they spend time on. If they manage to put in 2 hours of Genshin Impact a day without you finding out, I'm sorry but you are just a sh't parent and are ignoring your kid.
For teenagers, yeah they have access to the internet but your job still remains of taking an interest in your kids life, their interests, and being able to discern when trouble is brewing and take appropriate action. Will you catch everything? No, of course not when they are individuating, but hopefully you built up a relationship of trust so you still have some window into their lives.
Though I fully agree there needs to be more regulation and barriers put for more mature games. But don't remove agency from parents. Whether a kid spends their early years playing games like CoD or games like Klonoa is in the parents hands.
every time they talk about crests i can only think of Fire Emblem and it cracks me up
Truly, the crests are to blame
I'm here cus I'm part of Josh's audience and when I played Lost Ark watched Asmogold, I enjoyed and loved every part of this podcast. Stay too smart for you own good Rich and Quin. Diablo Immoral is my favorite descriptor of the game.
The ONLY WAY Blizzard can ever get my trust back is a reboot and relaunch of Lost Vikings and making another RTS game ala non rpg Warcraft or Starcraft.
I love every thing about josh. Love his style, his choice of words his flow while speaking and his way of thinking. Josh, you've advanced to 1st monitor content for now. Even though you will some day, eventually, drop down to second monitor, you will never degrade to third monitor level ever.
I agree with all their takes yet it feels so contradictory. Rich mains P2W games and he hasn't quit or stopped giving money despite the predatory practices. Asmon has said even if a game is predatory he will still buy it for content. Collectively giving like $100k to Diablo Immortal isn't aligned with what they are talking about lmao. Josh is the only one actually following his own words.
That’s what I’ve been thinking the whole time. At least asmon only spent like 2k but the other two are mega whales that say it’s a bad game yet spend 20k on it makes no sense to me. Josh is the only smart one tbh
I think it's not about being smart. Being addicted is very hard to control, and Diablo Immortal is very good at manipulation. I don't blame people that put money into it
The worst thing is that they're streaming it. Showing people and kids it's ok ( or not ) to do it, and that money apparently rains from the sky and is as easy to get as to spend.
These streamers are my age, a generation that grew up with ads and TV transforming them into hyper-consumerists who can't refrain from spending their money on useless shit.
Now imagine a generation growing up watching these people on Twitch... it's completely fucked up and I hope it'll get banned. Companies shouldn't make these games, and people shouldn't show themselves spending thousands on virtual crap and gambling mechanics.
they can morally grandstand all they want, they're still giving this company they despise tens of thousands of dollars. Not to mention they themselves are profiting off of it by playing the game and getting views by "exposing how predatory the game really is", which is funny because Josh has done that just as well and he hasnt had to spend a cent to do so. Really makes you wonder, huh?
At the end of the day they’re all adults and they can do what they want with money like everyone else
this is the first video I have seen with Quin that wasn't making fun of him for asking where the eels were and I must say he seems rather chill, at least for the duration of the podcast.
also Josh is exuding that massive gigachad energy the whole way through.
Now I need to see Preach and Josh on AllCraft together.
" OMG You read too? I cannot! You're so cool bro!" - 29:44
The term for trying to keep up with someone finically even if its detrimental for you to do, is called "keeping up with the Joneses"
"Where the 'eels?!"
Blizzard : They are sold separately for the low low price of $14.99
I've never really been a gamer yet, I can watch any one of these 4 guys play games and talk about gaming for hours. I've always been interested in gaming but I find that it's the atmosphere and personalities within that atmosphere that's far more entertaining for me. 🙏
This was my favorite allcraft, please bring josh back again soon
Found Josh's channel due to the otherworld series and instantly subscribed due to the depth he brings when he checked out the game. Ngl, didn't try it out but it was hell of a ride.
Awesome panelists bringing their thoughts and opinions on the topic/topics. Everyone was respectful, broad minded, and it was a really good time.
"I only spent $13,000 on it." Dude, that's my whole social security disability payment for an entire year. How many hours has Diablo Immortal been playable now?
Yeah kinda fucked man. Rich has almost spent my yearly salary in 2 weeks.
@@MrMrTravman Rich spent 2/3rds of my yearly income
my advice, just do not listen to the actual numbers, you do not want to realize the insane weatlh disparity and how people then subsequently waste all that money
@@MrMrTravman yearly salary? Wtf is your job and where do you live thats absolutely terrible
@@MV-ri7zu I work as a Medical tech at a local hospital with a salary of 35k-40k. I mightve exaggerated a bit, but yeah. Its not great. Also I live in California so its a bit tight.
Hopefully I can advance my career soon, but who knows. Not enough free time to go back to school with four children. This dude is spending life changing money for me to meme on the internet. Depressing ass shit.
I believe the tactic Immortal is doing (starting out with a good experience) goes back to coin-op arcade machines and I've heard it called _feast and famine_ . The idea is you start out by making the player feel very powerful and give them plentiful resources, in the hope they'll try to spend money later to get back into that comfort zone. It's why a lot of those old arcade games have an amazingly designed first level, a difficulty brick wall on level 2 or 3, and the last level looks like it was made in an afternoon.
Bro, it's so crazy listening to this. I'm 20, fully supporting my family of 4. shit is so tight, I'm minmaxing meals and caffeine intake. But, then I listen to this, and these dudes are spending my dream car's total price tag on rifts. Crazy shit, man 😂
This episode of allcraft felt like a well-planned, professional documentary on contemporary video gaming thanks to josh.
Need ppl like him in gaming industry to not have gamers viewed like degenerates or idiots who spend money on gacha, or infleuncers / streamers like rich represent the stupid part of gamers.
Yeah... I don't understand how they can talk about how bad the microtransactions are when they're contributing to the problem. Entirely counterproductive and a setback to the discussion as a whole. There would be no way for me to realistically take this podcast serious without Josh's input.
@@atrocious7766 Yeah man, I actually hate what Rich stands for and what he does. Its actively ruining gaming for the rest of us.
@@atrocious7766 get off your highhorse.
@@MrMrTravman and he couldn't care less about you.
Would love to see Josh on the show more often! He really compacts everyone's points, and greatly expands on them when he speaks. Also, maybe he can convince Rich that he spends WAY too much money on gacha games, it's honestly depressing hearing Rich brag about what he spends, he sounds like he needs help for an addiction.
great content, love seeing all these guys talk about what is really going on.
Not as predatory as rich apparently
Josh is sitting there like I am in the mist of chronic gamblers
Welcome to mobile/gacha keep your common sense at the door, enjoy the spins
Really love how when Josh talks everyone stays quiet because he seems to have articulated the scummy monetization of immortal the best
What a panel! My favourite so far. Well played!
Rich we're actually on the same server. Your Demon Hunter is still on top of the leaderboards. Myself I'm like top 20 on my Demon Hunter. Your rage video is so iconic, you did our server proud with that rage on release lol
Why do people spend money on this game? Genuine question, because it looks incredibly boring. I spent 98,000 USD on a chess set which is the closest I come to whales on MMOs (to provide some context). But the difference is that, my chess set has tangible value and importance of note while you pay for pixels on a screen.
In a similar vein, why not just spend money on black jack? My brother lost 250k AED in one evening and its bloody hilarious. We still bring it up every family gathering.
This is such a solid squad of guys to chat about stuff deeper than just gaming
what you're missing here is that people who are psychologically motivated to pay to win won't necessarily be psychologically motivated to pay for cosmetics, no matter how exclusive they are.
what games like this are showing us are is that many people enjoy paying to overcome any real or perceived lack of skill. if one has a lot of money, it is incredibly comforting to know that money can be used for something that makes you happy while making other people unhappy
Honestly the solution is very simple, "back to back events that rewards legendary crests"
That would help low spender and f2p catching up with the whales without neglecting the whales since they already have more than enough anyway.
@@r3zaful that is naive. Same reason why billionairs exist. People never get enough. So whales would just benefit much more from those events.
@@1IGG they already have enough of bound crest guaranteed excess bound crest probably won't help them at all in fact they might just scrap it, the real problem the crest system that limits the low spender power to grind harder. Look at the highest grossing mobile game like uma musume or priconne, they all absolutely grind based not whale based.
There's granblue as well that giving free players the equivalent of crest(Damascus ingots you can get 3 or more if you really a masochist) every 1-2 weeks via events.
Its just pathetic "men" enjoying their chance to finally have some kind of authority over others, because they arent capable IRL.
Josh is such a smart and cool guy, you shoud have him on air more often at your show
Rich's point on indie games resonates with me on a deep level. Some of the best games I have played in the past decade have been indie/indie-ish games. Vampire survivors, Stardew Valley, Dead Cells, Enter The Gungeon, Terraria, even minecraft was an indie project. Indie games have been a huge light in the dark sea of mediocre AAA games.
AAA are trash now
Indies are not everything though, we got nier and nier automata,the monster hunter franchise ,Xenoblade ,FF XIV, they're still good games but God they're so rare now
@@Elyakel All from Japan, propably everyone can see a pattern here xD
Revisiting 40k: Inquisitor in light of all this Diablo Immortal coverage was a very stark experience.
An obscure title from 4 years ago, that nobody's really heard of, is doing what we all wish. Up-front price tag, no microtransactions, company's kept on to support it post-launch and just focuses on making it more fun and inviting to play, instead of the swipe simulator everything's become since the market's AAA boom. It was like hopping in a time machine to ~20 years ago.
I got all that 'neurons firing happy brain chemical' goodness, and it was... euphoric, to also find how unsullied it was. You look at its 'dlc' section in the game, dread a cash shop, and then find that that's all *only* bought with a currency that you earn in-game from doing missions. No swipe even possible. Genuine, unironic pog moment. Days-long afterglow, man.
Edit: Oh yeah, the npc market shop deal has 'lootboxes.' That, again, you buy with that same 'fate' currency as the 'dlc,' that you earn doing missions, no swipe.
Yep really good game constant free content releasing seasons and still going.
problem is it's a mediocre arpg better than d3 tho i spose, which is a shallow basic arpg, prolly shouldn';t ahve fired the people that made d1 and 2 i guess.
For here on out. Josh will now be known as 'The Professor'. So it is written, so shall it be done.
1:49:48 When I was in the division special troops battalion of the first cavalry division we used to salute and sound off "Live the Legend". This reminds me of that.
oh and I was here too.
First time watching this podcast and I'm very impressed, very interesting, clever, thoughtful discussion.
That two and a half hour chat simply flew by. Awesome content.
I would like to see josh more often on this stream, just because of his point-of-view so different and says his point so well and on point.
I hope they do
The way Rich is simping every time Josh says something smart I love it
This Josh strive guy should make a channel dedicated to talking non stop for hours about anything
This was an awesome episode! The game industry can learn something from this. Let's hope the learn the good stuff and doesn't pickup all the evil ideas. :)
Josh getting a lot of subs his way! Let's go!
Really enjoyed this episode of the Josh Strife Hayes show
I'd love to see Josh as a part of OTK... gives the org another completely different avenue and variety in content that they can persue
I doubt he has the patience to be part of that degenerate group of dudes. Imagine trying to build a brand with a guy who doesnt shower.
When I look at Quin next to Josh, I think to myself "He could be the Player 2 reskin of Josh"