The Real Truth about ASI BAC Tuning (This one is factual folks)
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2021
- Bruno, Toby and Nic break down the real truth about ASI tunes.
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I bought a ASI BAC 855 kit programmed by a major dealer, and my problem with his methods was that he swears that he "bench tested it" and everything was fine. After installing it and trying to ride my BBSHD bike with it, it was completely unusable. Wrong voltage, wrong wattage, and as soon as I hit the throttle with actual body weight on the bike, it would just shut down with error 21h being displayed. I believe "bench testing" should only be a first step, followed by actual rider testing over rigorous terrain before ever releasing to a customer. It is great to have your channel around with such expert level information. Cheers.
Oh yeah, there are lots of sellers out there who only get the motor spinning on the bench and think "this is good enough" and forget about EVERYTHING ELSE... Its pretty frustrating...
We've spent 10 loooong months days and nights, taking these bikes for lots of rides road and proper off-road, give the bikes to pro-riders and ask them to ride it the hardest and push the thermal limits... so far we shipped nearly 100 kits and I would say 95% or more were perfect plug and play and only a few guys had minor issues but not directly related to our kit but something on their bike's electrical wiring, we still helped with troubleshooting just to show that we are very confident that all kits we sent are tested (we record videos testing every single kit). =]
You can see more EBMX videos in my channel ua-cam.com/users/brunopoweeer
@@BrunoPOWEEER love…LOVING your passion Bruno, and the team in general. Stoked to hear and see you and the team (your energy is pure madness :) ). I’m bummed I got an “unsafe” bac4000 from “reputable” online store… Temperature safety is my OCD from KTM/ICE engines…. Do you guys tune these “sucker” bacs bought from other stores? :/
I've owed a Sur Ron for a year and a half and had no idea I live just a 3min ride from a showroom/mod shop!! Great vid, informative and definitely shows you know what you're doing. Look forward to coming in and getting more poweeer!!
Nice. Thanks. See you soon. 💪⚡️
I'm at Marks point 😁
Hahaaaa.... 3 minutes ride from the showroom!!!! Come for a visit next week when we have all the other bikes back after the race this weekend.... you will feel how crazy a Surron bike rides after the mods... sooooo much POWEEEEEEERR ohh yeaahh
Nice work guys! You've convinced me that EBMX has really done due diligence and gone the extra mile to tune these controllers at a granular level. It explains why so many are relaying that the x-9000 has such smooth throttle mapping and why I just bought one :)
Good stuff. I have one of their bac4000 setups and I couldn't be happier. It's like a whole new bike. Incredible..
Love the tunes on my back 4000 from you guys,the safety features help you from dropping the battery to low with the bypass done. Thank you for your efforts..
hahaaaa.. great to see positive comments like yours mate... we worked sooo hard to get here and still working hard...
We should have an app in a few months time that will enable customers to update to our latest tunes... we are always improving something =]
@@BrunoPOWEEER awesome, we will be able to adjust regen also??
Nice work guys ! Hope my kit will be soon able to allow battery switch :-)
Whish success for you ! Bruno : your setting rocks !
Love the info guys keep it up
thaaaaanks mate.. ohh yeaahhhh =]
Awesome guys! Cheers!
Great stuff guys amazing knowledge we need you in the UK 🇬🇧
We are in the Uk. Ebikemodshed is our uk dealer. Same controllers kits can be purchased there. We also ship globally as needed.
We are EVERYWHERE hahaaaa =]
@@BrunoPOWEEER like the Minogue hahaha
Thanks for all of your effort guys we are building the future!!
Is it true that the eggrider adds a 'delay' to the tune? I have read that there is a difference between a 'direct' tune on the BAC and an 'overwriting' tune with the eggrider. I prefer the eggrider look over the other displays, but I want to be able to utilize the best tune with all the bac parameters.
As someone interested in the new Sur Ron S model that is hitting dealers next month, I would love to hear you guys break down what the actual differences are between the X model and S models motor. As of right now I can't find ANY info on them and keep coming across different opinions if they are the exact same or they are not. As someone who sees the S model as a great cheaper alternative to get onto a Surron and then Upgrade it. No point in paying the full price of the X model if your gonna just end up getting rid of practically everything on the bike except the motor and frame. Cheers good job guys keep up the great work.
hi mate testing the motor this week it is a different part number to X so we need to check the windings to make sure it will take 15kw.
@@EBMXtreme any news on the motor
If you guys can program voltage switching into the display unit, you're onto a winner. I'm sure i'm not alone in wanting to use a 72v primary battery but retain the stock 60v as a range extension if the fun factor starts overtaking the reality of ride time
I'm not sure if there are any spare output wires, but having an optional beeper attachment would also be a great idea with programmable voltage presets to have an audible beep pattern when it crosses below a certain threshold. I.e. when at 35% capacity put out 3 short beeps, 25% 1 long and 2 short beeps, at 15% give 3 long beeps. Personally if i'm on a nice flowing piece of single track, i'm not stopping to look at the battery or display I just want to keep it going. I know i'd appreciate having an audible alert to help me better gauge when to turn back
Hey Aidan, good points mate! We are currently working on the voltage switching issues. We are building an app that will allow users with our controllers and kits to switch between voltages, tunes and change a select few key settings (power, regen, amps…). This app is going to be a total game changer for the whole world! Keep your eye on this space and we are pressing as fast as we can to complete this project. The noise to tell you battery level might be a tricky one… The CZEM Drill One bikes have a sound that is emitted when changing power modes that is quite loud when you are sitting on the bike, not moving and just changing the mode… however when you are riding and change between modes you can’t hear it at all!... the point being, unless you get a speaker or very very loud beeper you won’t hear the sound and then might be worse off than if you had in the back of your mind you need to check the voltage screen very now and again to see where you are at.
@@EBMXtreme that's a fair point. Real world practical problems are often not found until actually trialed. I suspect the frequency of the beep would play an impact. I've never ridden a CZEM bike so wouldn't know
I had a temperature alarm on my KTM300 as I did a lot of low speed exploring through brush. The temps were taken off the radiator and alert were through the Trailtech speedo unit I installed which had an amber light for mid-temp, a red for high temp and it would blink for excessive temp which I tuned to give me about 30 seconds notice before the radiator started to boil over. I also added a beeper and it was definitely noticeable and saved myself from ever losing any coolant as if it hit critical and I saw an opening I could hammer it and get airflow over the radiators (surprisingly effective at how much it cools the radiators, it hands down beats just stopping and waiting) or if I was in a jam i'd stop and 9/10 times avoid a boil-over
I envisioned something similar for the battery capacity. If I could notice it over an infernal combusion engine I imagine it should be noticeable on an e-bike
That's another point: Add a blinking red LED for temperature alerts :D
If a beeper can't be fitted, a separate blinking amber LED for battery capacity may not be a bad idea, with an option to cancel the alarm via a button press
I don't know what sort of pinouts are available to work with. But there are pre-made blinking LED lights readily available that only require a constant voltage. A simple signal output with common ground should be a fairly simple thing to implement on the software side
Such an informative video 💯 ebmx crew continues to raise the bar
Cheers Seb. We try hard. 😎⚡️
Hahaaaa.. thaaaaaanks mate.. we try to record informative videos like that as often as we can... lots of videos like that on EBMX's Instagram as well =]
@@BrunoPOWEEER They're awesome, keep it up! I follow ebmx and you on instagram and love learning from ya'lls content and seeing what you're working on daily. Looking forward to ordering my bac4000 from ebmx soon, I want POWEEER!
Are you guys offering any apprentices positions or any positions in general would love to get my foot in the door with the evs especially with you guys! Keep up the great work
What country?
@@EBMXtreme I'm in Australia unfortunately and currently working in a electric scooter shop I own a surron myself and have a passion and hobby for the ev industry. Do you guys have a Facebook? Or any easy way of getting in touch more privately.
Thanks Baylee! Also I wasn't expecting a response so quickly thankyou
@@shigimo email us mate. Jump on our website
@@EBMXtreme email sent. It was abit rushed and all over the place but I'm just excited and stoked you guys responded so quickly.
Keep up the great work!
great video guys, do you have any recommendations for a europe based tune shop, unfortunatelly you are a bit to far for me :-)
We ship globally to consumers where we don’t yet have a dealer model in place. Please message us directly for a chat or quote. Thanks
is adjusting hall sensor board needed on your setup or asi? i know that is needed on nucular 24f, adjusting the hall board sensor clockwise or anticlockwise to bring it close to 0 degree to get the controller and motor to the max performance.
No... we never had to touch any hall sensor in any case... I have experience setting up both ASI and Nucular and never heard about that issue as both controllers have a moto position auto-tune exactly to correct any hall angles =]
I've got a 2021 sur Ron and I've just put a bac4000, any idea how to program it to work with a Domino throttle?
yes we can tune it for a domino if you purchase a kit of us that is no problem mate :)
I bought your app (love being able to tune my ASI) and have had some issues. Right now I have tuned my two bikes, but during a ride yesterday I stopped and tried to flash the standard tune and found my bike going in reverse only, although during the calibration test I performed afterwards it spun in the correct forward direction. Real confused.
Dean message the team through email and the website protocol and not social media perhaps and we can get you sorted mate - will you do that please. all troubleshooting info and contact is on our website support page
How safe is the bus bypass on the standard battery and what are the benefits.
Perfectly safe. Benefit is MORE POWEEER BABY. 🔥😉
Limp mode after leaving massage ... lol
ha ha ha ha ha - ripper. :)
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@@BrunoPOWEEER see he does it so much better. 🙃💯💪
OMG, its Con the Fruiterer's son! lol :)
Are these tunes just for Sur rons, or can these be added to custom bikes?
just concentrating on surrons currently
@@EBMXtreme thank you! Nonetheless, awesome engineering esp. Bruno haha
@@KeyboardSourceError thanks for the follow :)
Hi do you guys upload program a asi bac855 ?
Sorry at the moment no.
The guy with the glasses seems to be talking just to talk. He is very confusing cuz he just can't seem to answer your questions straight away! Bummer. E-Moto Bros and much clearer!
So the eggrider cache the settings 🙂
Bingo. Junior.
“We’re not just a backyard company” haha nice try bro ;P
Will your egg rider work with a teznic bac4000?
We do not support teznic
How do I buy a bac8000 from you??
what country?
California. 12K 273/72V 50ah/ current controller sab 200A. I want your knowledge in my beast!
And if there are more items to buy with that bac8000 (screen/wires/help) let me know
@@bobbyjunelive1993 all USA purchases go through our USA distributor shock Bikes - please purchase through them
ty- just sent them an email. Just as long as your brains and knowledge is in the controller’s brain. :)
this is the motor of my choice love the motor
can the ASI BAC2000
ON10S LIPO BE USED FOR THIS MOTOR
Motor Power: 5000W Max
Motor KV: 191kv
Model Type: 63100
Motor Wind: 9
Idle current: 3.1A at 10V
Motor Resistance: 0.0173hm
Motor inductance: 40uh
Max. current: 110A
Battery type: 4-12S
ESC: 100-120A
Torque: 9Nm
Diameter(mm): 63.4
Length(mm): 103
Total length (mm):135.5(including shaft)
Shaft(mm): 8/10 with keyway
2.0mm jst 6 pin hall sensor, if needed 1.5mm jst 6pin, pls let contact us