Please share your opinions and experiences below! And please remember to keep things civil and respectful in the comments. This video is just meant to be a fun exploration of our differences and similarities!
I love that you covered such a controversial topic. All cultures should be treated with respect, but let's not kid ourselves: they're not the same, they have different strengths and weaknesses. Australians put down people who dream big. I'm actually surprised you admitted that you went to a private school - most Australians have learned to keep that a secret for good reason.
Good vid reminds me of the time I went to a Brazilian dance show at a RSL club. The host asked people from the audience to get up and try to dance Brazilian style. One of them was an old Chinese man and instead of dancing he started dry humping the female dancer. The host says hay that is my sister that is the wrong dance you are doing. The female dancer was you could see was a bit shocked. And after they started agian and yep he did it agian. After the second time he was then kicked of the stage. And the old turd was laughing all the way back to his seat getting away with his lude act. Also the older generation can be annoying my old dad said to one of my mates who came over whom heard him speaking. He said your not speaking normal english go learn how to do so. My mate was pissed but I laughed it of and said don't worry I get that crap all the time.
I’m an Aussie and have always showered before bed because I need to wash the day off me before I get into my clean bed, but I also need to shower in the morning to feel clean to start my day 😊
Japanese culture is almost the opposite. Respect is super important, and you show respect whether you mean it or not. I always assumed that with over 100 million people squashed together like the Japanese, you had to be polite and respectful for society to function. I guess China proves that wrong. Two Asian countries with completely different ways of living together.
Selfish chinese communism where individuals don't matter, the party is everything vs democratic Japan with respect and empathy so we can all live in together.
I’m a Chinese studying in Australia, so I feel like I have a decent say on this. A lot of the stuff you mentioned in the video was pretty interesting. Like the part about a Chinese person competing with you for a seat. Honestly, that’s pretty common. When it comes to manners, I think it depends on the person. It’s true that some older people, especially those in their 50s or 60s, can act like that. I’m not saying all of them, but yeah, stuff like what you described does happen. For example, back in China I was at a train station and saw a seat like five meters away, so I started walking towards it. But before I got there, this middle-aged woman literally ran past me and took it. Things like this happen a lot. I even saw a post online about a Chinese grandparent taking a whole bag to Woolies and grabbing all the free fruit meant for kids. Stuff like this honestly makes me feel pretty bad because it gives people the wrong impression of all Chinese people. But I think it’s important to understand that older generations grew up in a completely different environment. Many of them went through really hard times, like famine and a lack of education, and they had to fight for resources just to survive. That mindset probably stuck with them.But when it comes to younger Chinese people, I don’t think this is much of an issue. Sure, there are exceptions, but for the most part, I think younger generations are way more polite and thoughtful.
Mate, thank you for sharing that. I really appreciate your insight. I think it makes sense as you say that it may be a hangover from mid-1900s China and what the population went through. And the point of the video wasn't for me to vilify Chinese people, but more contrast and compare and think about why these differences might be there. These things fluctuate in all cultures anyway over time.
No the young ones are rude too, it ultimately comes down to values, and politeness and manners unlike Australia is not something that's particularly important to the Chinese. Also I'm Australian and seeing the differences in how people from certain cultures behave is obvious to see, take Melbourne for example, before the massive amount of immigration we've had in the past 10 years walking through the city was nice now you have almost the entire city filled with people who will walk straight into you if you don't get out of the way, constantly see large groups of particularly Chinese people stopping in the middle of the footpath holding hands from one side of the footpath to the other without any awareness or care for people around them. Australians hold manners and politeness in extremely high regard because being rude to someone in this country is a good way to get your head knocked off. Also I find the Chinese have no appreciation for Australia at all and it's solely use as a place to exploit for personal gain, there is no attempt by Chinese immigrants generally to fit into Australian culture, they come here and create homogenized enclaves. The vast majority of Chinese have no interest in even associating with Australians or even learning the most rudimentary amount of English. I speak more mandarin than most Chinese people in Australia speak English and I know very little mandarin or have any desire whatsoever to go to China yet the 5 accumulated hours of mandarin I learnt is more than what these people moving to this country are willing to learn and it's not like Chinese people aren't smart and cant learn even a small amount of English, it just shows they have no desire to Integrate into Australian society at all.
Can you please tell your friends to stop coming here? Aussies are getting tired of the amount of Chinese and Indians flooding into our country and trying to change everything to be more like their countries. Study in China. It's literally your country.
Im in Germany, and i met a chinese couple when I was in language courses. The courses lasted a few months. They were incredibly polite to me. I also met an australian man in my first job here. I would describe him as both friendly and enthusiastic. I have run into rude people in this country, but i did not make it a priority to remember much about them. Kind people make a lasting impression, for me.
Exactly....as my grandparents used to say, "Courtesy costs nothing." If somebody, regardless of race or "culture" is rude or pushy, they'll be called out by me. I'm old & mean & I definitely do NOT tolerate political correctness.
In Thailand on holiday I was shocked by the spitting even in the dining room into the pot plants. A mother and daughter pushed past us in a huge line. My daughter managed to get ahead of them again (the lines were zig zag and partitioned). We spent the next 20 minutes locked in a silent battle. Right near the end they lost focus and left a gap so I got ahead again (back to where I should have been). Yay winner! Side note every time I meet a group of Taiwanese they are super lovely.
I'm Aussie and had an Emglish friend with an Italian husband actually born and raised in Italy. They were approaching a table, at a large botanic gardens park, where a big Italian family were putting there eaten lunch, paper plates amd rubbish in the bins and packing bags into a car. They were talking about going for a walk to get icecreams from the kiosk and go for a walk along the paths in the spring flower display gardens. My friends were now sitting on the bench nearby with picnic stuff obviously waiting for the table. The Italians started discussing leaving the vinyl table cloth clipped to the table with two half filled jars of sauce. This, was said, so my two friends would not take ovrr the table by the time they got back for afternoon tea. They were shocked when the husband spoke back to them in Italian telling them they were being shamefully rude. They were shocked, laughed, excused themselves, finished packing everything and drove off... to.......somewherelse.
I am Indian and have Chinese wife, definitely it took a while for us to adjust to Aussie lifestyle as we have moved from Singapore. We love Australia and learning Aussie culture
Enjoy while you still have your savings. Once you are dry, you would hope you would never leave Singapore. Many Indonesians do. Many came to Australia with plenty of savings. After 10 years, many have gone back. After 20 years, many could not even afford to go back to start a new. On the bright side, they still can take the benefits of social security, in destitution. What farce is, many Aussie move to Indonesia for affordable livings. No housing crisis here despite our population is ten times Australia. No living unaffordability here despite we still import many of our foods and everyday stuff.
Maybe we've met. We were in line behind an Anglo couple, where the wife turned around and said we need to wait our turn as if we did not understand. I said go ahead, you're holding up the line. We did not budge, her frame hoarded two lanes of a pathway anyways lol.
I notice the rude behaviour when boarding a bus or train here in Sydney. You'd be patiently waiting for the doors to open and or other passengers to disembark when suddenly from out of nowhere, right behind you 1 or more Chinese people just push in front of you without a care in the world for anyone else but themselves.
Mate, this happens to all people in Sydney. I've seen caucasians deliberately collide themselves into others. So what? The reality is that this sht happens everywhere among every type of people. Just because you've seen Chinese people do it, does not mean ONLY Chinese people do it.
I notice that Aussie often proud that the majority of their Chinese come from Hongkong and Guangdong, which they praised very much. Funny that you complain that the Chinese in Australia behave like, them. In fact, even the Chinese everywhere, including in Indonesia, have the same problem with you about them behaving the way they do. The difference is, you admonish them Chinese behavior while we admonish them as, Cantonese.
I live in Sydney and catch bus and train. As an Australian Chinese, this has never happened to me. I have been pushed but its not Chinese alone. Its a mix of people. When I first worked in CBD it was a chubby white lady that walk right into me and kept walking. I do not assume that all white people are like this. But do your thing and assume all Chinese people are rude.
@kaneidareyue7715 I'm only saying what I have witnessed first hand a few times. Sure there are many other cultures that portray rude behaviour too, I don't doubt that at all
I learnt that the so called „Cultural Revolution“ in China meant that basic manners, being courteous and politeness were seen as „bad“, as in bourgeois, and needed to go in order to pave the way for a communist society, so a lot of Chinese did away with manners then … or later born Chinese never leant any. And I’d say that Taiwanese are way more polite than mainlanders, yes.
simply democracy versus dictatorship. free countries share the same value. there has not been a war between two democracy countries. in authoritarian society they only listen to power. in democracy everyone has equal right, so we have to respect each other with manner.
That is not what the Cultural Revolution is about. And nothing to do with dictatorship too. Classic situation of other cultures pretending to know other cultures. And just because 1 Chinese talks down about billions of Chinese doesn't make her right.
@@百度八九六四 There has not been a war between 2 democratic countries? You must not know history then. The so-called "democratic" countries invaded, destroyed and pillaged most the of the world. Where was the natives "equal rights" when they were part of the country? It was so bad that the natives had to FIGHT for their independence. So much for the "respect" you speak of. Moreover, Finland also fought against the Allies in WW2. So dont go around saying there has not been a war between 2 democratic countries again.
It's what some ppl call 'scarcity' mindset. A lot of Chinese ppl, especially the older ppl, have gone through famines, starvation, basically lack of resources and their main goal of life is to survive, even at the expense of other ppl. Ppl also dobbing their neighbours/friends in to the authorities to ensure that they themselves don't get dobbed in. Those who dobbed their neighbours/friends in and collected more resources at the expense of others tend to survive or thrive while those who try to not dob others in or try to be more considerate of others tend to starve to death, experience more extreme poverty or taken to the concentration camp by the authorities. So, in effect, the whole society was promoting opportunistic attitudes, lack of manners, hoarding of resources at the expenses and lack of trust in anyone other than their own family. This kind of attitudes or way of life became the norm and was reinforced by those who thrived by practicing this way of life. Their traditional Confucius teachings were replaced by communist/dectatorship brainwashing. Now, even though the poverty or scarcity of resources are not really there for most ppl, their scarcity mindset is still very present in the minds of the mainland Chinese ppl, especially the older generations, who are so scared in their subconscious, that lack of resources could come again at any time. This is also reinforced by inconsistencies/uncertainties in their government policies which may affect anyone at any time unexpectedly. In South Korea, where I originally come from, Chinese ppl have the reputations of having no manners, being so loud in public, not washing for days, smoking in public transport (and shouting when someone tells them not to smoke there), hoarding expensive food at buffet, urinating/defecating on streets, scamming, and causing trouble in whatever way possible. There are many videos about this kind of issues done on youtube, such as The China show, China uncensored, and some others. They go further indepth about it.
Wow, that's a deep explanation for some of these differences. How soon do you think these kinds of cultural behaviours change when those original causes are no longer there? Or is it in a generation permanently?
@AussieEnglishPodcast It's definitely changing, but not rapidly. These behaviours are definitely more common among the older generations, but they are still apparently passing on their behaviours or lifestyles onto the next generations by their examples and home educations in general. So it is less prominent among younger ppl, but has not completely disappeared. It is also less prominent in the big/major cities compared to smaller cities or rural areas. That's why ppl in the major cities(eg. Shanghai or Beijing) very much look down on those who are from the country side as being backwards and uneducated. So not sure when or if this kind of behaviour will disappear, especially if you are looking at the whole country of China. I met many oversees students from mainland China, and many of them looked down on rural ppl. But I met 1 who was from a very small city and did not come from rich family. She said she ate 1 meal a day to save money and would attend all the church religious or social event that offered free food. She would be the 1st to line up to get the food and would pile up her plate like a big miuntain, like there was no tomorrow. One time, they asked everyone to take a small serving 1st, because there are not enough food prepared for everyone, and she got even more food than what she used to get, because she knew she couldn't come back for 2nd serving. She didn't care how ppl perceived her, let alone care about other ppl, as long as she got the most amount of free food she could get. There are plenty of videos of Chinese ppl going crazy like animal for free food or seafood at a buffet.
@@musicbkim By mentioning dobbing neighbours/friends, I believe you are referring to the Cultural Revolution. Well, things were way worse than that. Wives dobbed husbands; kids dobbed parents; fathers were beaten by sons brutally; People murdered each other due to different opinions and went on without punishment... so on and so forth. Just imagine the worst things a person or group could do to another person. All this happened just fifty years ago nationwide and lasted ten years. Now we compare them with people who live in well-established countries where the legal system is sound and the society is healthy. Don't hate the player, hate the game my friend. My ancestors played the worst game ever in the world, and this is how we got here. "It takes three generations to make a gentleman."
Interesting perspective and I see your points to a degree but many of the worst behaviours of the mainland Chinese are driven by the CCP, compare Taiwanese people to the Chinese mainlanders and it's like chalk and cheese, generally speaking of course.
I worked at the Penguin Parade, Phillip Island... One night I was working in Retail, had a massive line up of people and I've got a Chinese guy on the other side of me, (not in line, just rocked up) tapping me on the head expecting me to serve him before everyone else. Didn't work out for him. LOL 😅
Loved the line in the comments from the post this guy is using as reference: "You are expected to pay for the next in line if you go infront" 😂😂😂😂 Great line for any que-hopper...😂
On a recent cruise in Canada, the Chinese passengers are very rude. Walking down the corridors to our rooms, a large group of Chinese walking towards us, no way they were going to move over and give us room, need to move out of there way completely many times. Well, after a few days of this, my wife and I just stayed in our position, they were shocked that they had to move over and give US SOME ROOM. The other, up on the top decks taking photos, moved back to get the photo I wanted, and bang, a group just walks right in front of you and start doing the stupid possies for their photos, got put back into their place very quickly.
Same in Bali. Tiny sidewalks and Chinese men carry large backpacks and ignore all others who need to walk around them as they stand in groups completely blocking all access. After two or three incidents of them ignoring me I simply shoulder charged any after that onto the road.
A Chinese guy was at the gas station; I was waiting for him because all the other gas lines were occupied. Knowing I was waiting for him, he was scrolling his phone even after filling his car. I was like OMG.
Maybe he was checking if he had enough money in bank card to pay petrol using phone app. I was doing it one time and a Aussie guy behind me shouted at me and tried to beat me
Brings back some old memories. I remember 10 years ago, a group of us Aussies (three of us) went to New Zealand to do the four-day hike at Milford Sound. There was a group of Asians who didn’t speak English. At the first overnight hut, as we settled in the kitchen to cook, our pots on the stove were removed and replaced by theirs. We just couldn’t figure out the logic. We just laughed it off.
I was in a group of people waiting for a lift at the railway station. A Chinese woman at the back of the queue walked up to the front and pushed in to be first into the lift. No manners whatsoever. Similarly I had an Indian gentleman push in front of me at Chemist Warehouse. No manners or consideration for other customers. We were having a wake for my girlfriends aunty after her funeral. We were at a club in Riverwood. We had a beautiful wreath of her favourite yellow roses sitting on a side table next to the mourners. This Chinese woman walked up and started taking roses and putting them in her basket. My girlfriend asked her what she thought she was doing. She said "it alright, it alright". My girlfriend said it wasn't alright and she put a rose back but walked off with another in her shopping basket. I said "you should have told her ten dorra, that would have pissed her off".
In terms of flag waving, I saw this comment on Face Book the other day and kept it because it resonated with me. Unfortunately, did not think I would be sharing it and subsequently cannot credit the original author. "You know what’s patriotic? Loving your country enough to care for its poor, fund its institutions, unite its communities, educate its children, restore its environment, respect its elderly, plan for its future and tell it the truth. You know what’s not patriotic? Flags."
There was a time when I found the Australian flag almost a reassuring sight. I wasn't about to decorate all my gear with it or get a Southern Cross tattoo but I was comfortable with the flag. Time went by, stuff happened, mostly things like the One Nation party getting a bit more mainstream. Then, one day as I was driving past a house with a crapton of decoration in and around it, including a very large Australian flag, I suddenly realised that I no longer felt the same way about the Australian flag. It no longer seemed like a symbol of welcome or inclusivity, the far right had subsumed it into their iconography and it was no longer "mine".
@@resourcedragon our flag is far right? Wtf it embodies so much more then a far rights agenda. You've let yourself down if you see nothing in it. Look up the vexillology of the Australian flag.
There's something called "Little Emperor Syndrome/effect." where a lot of the older generation has the "me first." specially when the one child policy was in, then the kid would be overly told, that they are the best, in china, if i'm not wrong, there's not really something called "retirement." so the retirement is the child itself, your children takes care of you as you get old, so a lot of the children gets brought up, where they can never do no wrong, resulting in "Little Emperor Syndrome/effect."
Think this also relates to the significant (and I do mean SIGNIFICANT!) number of knife attacks at pre-schools/kindergartens in China, by predominantly widowed older men. Basically resentful that the young kids are getting everything, paid for by their parents, who are not willing to look after their parents (the grandparents, as was done in the past).
When I was in the Shanghai's Pudong Airport, I was waiting for my connecting flight and there were two families facing each other off shouting at each other. I didn't have a good grasp on the language and it really loked like a fight was about to break out, but then suddenly they all started laughing. Another thing I have seen is a parent walking with a toddler, maybe 3 years old, and they jsut squat them on the ground to defecate right there on a shopping mall floor, and I saw that many times. But what's weird, PDA is almost frowned upon (public displays of affection) yet they argue, spit, defacate and be generally rude to each other.
8:44 it is not weird because i figured out the reason . after spending decades in aus i went on a vacation to my home country. and people were so weird and rude. i closely observed and wondered how same people like me can be so rude? i think main reason is population density where people are competing for everything lot more than aus. for example if you try to be nice to others while standing in a queue you will be standing the whole day. but there are always exceptions like Japanese seems to live high density but very nice to each other.
I think it is unhygienic to go to bed without showering. I think showering in the morning is optional and can make you feel fresher. But going to bed dirty is gross.
It's always funny It's the most Wanker/Bogan type of people too who have veiws and opinions about our country that have a irk, sometimes vile undercurrent to them.
These behaviours are not confined only to MLC (main land Chinese) tourists but immigrants as well. I live in a predominantly Asian suburb and I see this miserable behaviour everyday. Its a disgrace. There are signs posted everywhere in English only: " Racism not Welcome" Why only in English? Multiculturalism has made Australia an amazing place but in the past decade or so people have emigrated to Australia and failed to assimilate well in the Aussie culture, This in my opinion is where the issues arise.
Are you in Box Hill or Glen Waverley? I live in a mainly European suburb but have Chinese neighbours on both sides. All nice people. Perhaps the people from China who want to live in mostly Chinese suburbs want to stick with their existing ways of doing things.
I believe this is a tragedy caused by a past historical event, namely the Cultural Revolution. In fact, ancient China was a country that valued etiquette and a sense of shame. However, the cruel and barbaric Cultural Revolution destroyed humanity, turning people into animals who abandoned basic human dignity for survival. How could politeness and quality be expected under such circumstances? People born in the 1940s -60s were all victims of the Cultural Revolution. The Chinese Communist Party has never taught values like propriety, righteousness, integrity, and a sense of shame, because they themselves do not understand civilization. They only continuously brainwash and implement policies to keep the populace ignorant, thereby solidifying their rule. As a result, people living there have never truly understood what civilization means. In the novel The Three-Body Problem, Ye Wenjie loses hope in humanity and desires to destroy it largely due to her experiences during the Cultural Revolution.
In my three weeks in China I saw three Chinese kids having temper tantrums. In twelve years in non-China eastern Asia I never saw even one tantrum. In China its common to have people shouting in your face as loudly as they can. It's normal. In the USA that would be the prelude to a fistfight. Here in Bali one of the local museums disinvited Chinese tour busses for throwing trash. Even the Chinese government has a major movement to influence their citizens to behave in a civilized way.
Their government sends mixed messages. It's a hard sell telling your people that they're the greatest race on earth and then expecting them to show respect to others.
As an Australian Chinese, I have seen lots of bad behaviours from all sorts, but its basically in line with the Prison system. The race and ethnics that are the rudest are the ones usually in the prison system. The Chinese are almost non-existent in Western Prison system. So go figure..
If you can read Chinese, you'll notice that the big PSA banners in read and yellow at every corner of the street are calling people to be more civilized and respectful. It's so ludicrous and pathetic. You would think that was a celebration message for some festival, but no.
I was in South Korea in October. A lovely Chinese couple asked to take a photo of us, as we were trying to take a selfie. On the other hand in our hotel were many Chinese travellers. Now I use a walking stick so we are waiting at the lift. Doors open and all the young Chinese with suit cases, push past and get in first. Every blooming day until I had enough. I said to my husband not this time, as the door opened I placed my walking stick in front of their luggage and entered first. There were some not many Korean young ladies that were also a bit rude. Sadly this behaviour is world wide.
For years I was a home stay for international students, usually Asian. My impressions have varied according to what area the students were from. The more western, like Hong Kong the more adaptable they were to Aussie life. They were more affectionate, relaxed and friendly. However one thing that was the same, the students that came here to do secondary school were those that couldn’t get into the Chinese universities. Getting into a good university is very difficult and only the very top students will make it. But don’t think that these students who come here aren’t smart, because I found 90% made up the top of the classes. They all told me that school is very easygoing here. In china years 11 and 12 students went to school early am, had a couple of hours off at lunch then returned back to school till 9 pm. It’s stressful and demanding from teachers, parents and even other students. Each year before going home for holidays the girls would go on extreme diets because family and friends would tell them they were fat. Their skin had to be white and they used cream that I guess bleached the skin. A sponge wash in the morning before school and a shower at night. Top sheets on beds were foreign to them. They were quiet, studious and the girls very helpful. Hated our insects and would freak out when sighting even a fly or daddy long legs 😂😂. One girl complained about the birds in the area and how noisy they were, I asked but don’t you have birds in china, she said some but everyone eats them 😂😂 They could all eat like horses but never put on weight, must be all the rice. The boys , young ones who came over on a school tour , that I only occasionally had were rude, demanding and unclean, especially in the toilet. I had to mop it out every morning and night, ugh. Boys are spoiled in China and they looked at me like a servant. I liked the older boys who were respectful and kind.
I lived in Shanghai for 4 years and the first few months were an eye opener regarding chinese mannerisms! I won't say 'manners' because ALL countries I have been to, do things differently and have had different evolutions. So saying people from other countries 'bad mannered' is simple ignorance! I never got used to the guys hacking up the whole contents of their nose and throat - for about 10 seconds! - and then spitting it onto the Shanghai street or pavement! Or the ladies going to the supermarket in the morning with their pyjamas still on! This was 15 years ago so wasn't the 'trend' that some western 'ladies' have now adopted, albeit with designer jim-jams rather than what they had just been sleeping and sweating in! People used to tell me that it was the 'migrant classes' from the countryside that brought these habits to the city. But these people could not afford to, or get a passport for, go abroad to propagate these mannerisms!
When the Vietnamese refugees 1st came out to Australia in the late 70s, we'd see them go out in what we'd call pyjamas. Apparently it was their normal everyday clothing, what they wore back home. We thought them so funny. Nowadays, I go out and see the local girls going out in their underwear & nothing else. I think this is not appropriate in a shopping centre and in public places. I don't understand how they can feel so bold to go out like that. I think it's not on. They are shameless and should consider they make others feel uncomfortable. It's not a good look. They should respect themselves but they wouldn't know about that. They're not at the beach so should dress accordingly. They get berated while on holiday overseas like in Bali for going to the shops in their skimpy bikinis. I think they have no manners at all and should respect people everywhere, even at home. You never see any male showing all in public. Never! You know why? Because they are smart enough to keep what they have covered up. They won't put themselves on display in public like those silliest young women.
I think in H.K. there is a big difference between those that grew up there and those from the mainland. The bus lines in H.K., the lines would go around corners but there will only be one or two that would cut the line... I think I have only seen cutting done once. Also in H.K. if you are caught spitting or littering, like if you throw a wrapper and it does not go in the trash bin... you get punished with a fine, 2k or 4k HK$. Here in my country, the local Chinese (2nd generation born here) are so different from those coming from the mainland that the local Chinese community hates a lot of them.
I speak and read Mandarin, Japanese, and Vietnamese. It's hilarious when a 6 foot tall bearded white guy bar tender starts speaking to them in their own language. Especially when they pull the i don't speak English card after speaking it just fine befor a pointed out your bad behaviour.
I’m not from China, and I haven’t had close interactions with Chinese people, but I come from a crowded and densely populated city. While we were polite, we didn’t have the luxury of embellishing our words or expressing things in an overly nice way with a smile. Our communication was brief, but no one was offended by it-life simply moved at a very fast pace, and people weren’t expected to talk or listen too much. I’ve made an effort to learn how to pause and adjust my language. For instance, asking people how they’re doing before starting a conversation is something I now see as meaningful. Since moving to Australia, we have been adapting to the new cultural expressions of kindness.
Spitting in public was very common in Australia. There were even spitoons on the streets for this. Then tuberculosis came along and for hygiene reasons this behaviour was reversed and became "disgusting" and now illegal in some Australian states.
There are gestures and messages in these cultural behaviors. Talking loud to people in many places of China are considered to be hospitable and welcoming. Criticising your weight and habits in life are signs of care and concern of Chinese parents. Though communication is two-way, unfortunately Chinese people are not well known for their communication skills or its efficiency. Take them with an open mind and they will return with an open heart. Also, interesting fact: some Chinese dialects sound very loud and rough. So ppl raised and grew up in a place where a certain dialect is spoken, they tend to capture and carry those traits in the language they spoke. That's why when you think two men are quarrelling so intensely that they might just start a fight in a split-second, but they are actually saying very nice words complimenting each other. You can't really ignore these nuances when you talk about culture shock.
Drives my wife crazy, must have shower just before going to bed and first thing in the morning, mainly to wake myself up and feel fresh to start the day.
I'm of Indian decent and these sort of behaviour is common between Indian and Chinese. Chinese tourist get worse rep than Indian tourist because the top 5-10% of Indians can afford foreign travel while top 20-25% of Chinese can afford foreign travel. Lot more rural, rustic Chinese come to countries like Australia than Indians. I think in 10-15 years Indian tourist may replace Chinese tourists in bad rep. In my fathers time, Japanese tourist had bad rep. Competitiveness is ingrain to Chinese and Indian culture because we had less facility compared to huge population for a long time. That explains why that Chinese rushed to occupy the bench rudely. Indians do this as well. However in Australia this behaviour is seen more among Chinese than Indians because of the beforementioned reason. Now China and India, especially China have the facilities catching up to population, but the people's psyche is still having the competitive momentum. Body shaming is common among Indians too - especially among grandmothers and people of older generation. Trust me, it is done from a place of love and desire for the person at receiving end to be better. It's not a diplomatic way with filters on - it is what it is.
We grow jackfruit and when we refused a Indian who asked us to sell her a jackfruit then but leave it on the tree until it grew larger. She was very rude and left but returned again in two weeks to buy the very same fruit It had grown huge. This time we peed HER off
Interesting take. I think there’s something to be said also for Indian people sharing democratic values and the Hindu religion being innately pluralistic. I think Indian men sometimes have a hard time treating women with respect. But otherwise would love to have an Indian family move into the neighbourhood. .
@PeterTravis-p3c Hindu religion is pluralistic, but the Hindu religion is going through a politics induced transformation similar to what happened with Islam in the '60s and '70s. Indian men, especially from conservative regions in the North and Central India, have low respect for women, but usually, urban areas don't have that problem.
i was a butcher , id get bloody n fatty after 12 hour days , so id shower when i got home , but id shower in the morning too , cos a butcher knows hygiene , so i had to start work clean ,
Man, I can't imagine if you skipped the shower for the night. I always get jealous of my wife who goes the gym and gets home and is like "I don't stink, so no need to shower". I get up off the couch and I need a hose down...
Ditto as an ex baker. The smell of yeast and other stuff you work with every day gets into your skin and absolute stinks. I stopped eating bread as the smell of yeast felt like it was constantly coming out of my skin after 2 showers a day.
I am an Australian living in China for 8 years. Chinese people are polite and friendly, but they lack social skills. They have the mindset of Everyman for themselves. If you don’t matter to them then they will just look past you. Using elevators here really does my head in… instead of letting the people out first they just walk in. Same as the metro! No curtesy unless you mean something to them. It boggles me… just let the people out first then walk in. Also the population numbers here adds to this. There is also an element of “Showing Face” show that you are of importance
Chinese elders are like people from the 1900s who have suddenly time-traveled to 2024. Many habits from a century ago may seem rude and impolite to modern people. Such occurrences will gradually disappear with generational change.
my grandparents were born in early 1900's and instilled manners and respect to me from an early age. I did the same to my children and my grandchildren. its more cultural than generational.
@@3tuirc3 Please forgive me for not tracing back far enough. Imagine yourself as someone from the 1800s, especially during the Wild West era-you’d find that speaking loudly, spitting on the ground, and showing hostility toward outsiders were all just natural parts of daily life in those small towns back there.
@@orinfaflik3482the wild West was a place and time. It's a very bad example of civilisation because it was not civilised and legitimate. In the European cities and Eastern American cities people were civilised in the 1800s. They even had a civil war in America. You really need to learn more about western history. The wild West were not in the United States, they were the territory that was the native people, and there were hardly any European women just men trying to mine and steal.
@@3tuirc3 yes but were your grandparents in China when it went through literally the most deadliest famine in human history (which happened in the 1960's)?
Nah. It’s more like break the rules and you’ll cop a stand-up comedian level of dry, laser-guided derision. If that doesn’t work, we just move on. Life’s too short for drama.
@heatherfruin5050 spent two glorious weeks in Australia stopped at Perth and then went to Melbourne seen every site while working there and loved every minute of it Bundy drinks
Australia and New Zealand are the 'tightest' English speaking societies. Breaking rules doesn't go down very well. Believing the rules don't apply to you because you are too important goes down extremely badly. I certainly found the vibe in Austin TX a lot like here.
I used to visit an immersive show in China, which required the audience to be active with the actors. I remember there was a crowd surrounded by many people. One woman who stood in front of me suddenly reached her hand toward the people behind me, trying to drag her to the front, and ended up with 6 people, (including me, and these two women) tripping over. But one thing totally shocked me, after we fell down, they were laughing on the ground for a long time and did not realise it was a dangerous situation.
Native Australian English speaker here! When you busted out "castigated" at 12:08 I legitimately had to look up the definition. Proof that I am still learning English!!
Honestly I think its just a symptom of mass society, seeing thousands of foreign faces a day tends to make people behave more anti-socially, since they’re now just another drop of water in a vast ocean so who cares what people think?
When we were travelling through Europe, any trains queues or locations where there were crowds, you could rely on the Chinese tourists to be completely self centred, and try to get on /in while people are trying to get out/off whatever it was, or when sitting in benches for demonstrations ect, they would sit in the best seat and block others, it was weird and frustrating also super rude
I live in Australia. Every time I will see black African men and Turkish men push in front of women to get on the bus. They too have no manners. It is not the done thing Herr. It makes them look so rude, bad!
Please remember guys, its mostly the mainlanders that exhibit this behaviour. Most likely those having gone through the cultural revolution under chairman Mao. Please don't label all ethnic chinese as the same. People from HK, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia are far more civilised.
@@youknownothing3766 Yes that is absolutely correct but not always the case. An aged care worker who came to look after my mother with dementia for 3 hrs one day a week had the most beautiful nature. As an only child from mainland China, at 22 years old she was trained in aged care in Australia and was studying to be a fully qualified nurse at the same time. Though her culture was different she was bright, friendly and genuinely happy listening to mum's stories of childhood that were remembered and repeated often. Yin had tremendous energy and a totally optimistic outlook on life. Mum wass very slim and spry and Yin took mum for very slow walks around the same neighbourhood block every time, to look at gardens and different styles of houses. This was the greatest of mum's great interests. I couldn't do it due to my bad knees and mum tryimg to walk ahead of me, but I took her further in the car. Mum insisted though that walking was better. I could always hear mum laughing with Yin coming back, though they had nothing in common Yin made the jokes count.. When mum was in a hospital for a short stay, Yin who was doing a prac for studies there, saw her name on a patient list and came to say hello and chat to her. Yin often flew back to China to see her parents, who were happy for her to settle in Australia with greater prospects for their daughter. Especially since they knew she could fly to visit quite often. We only lost touch with Yin because mum became so ill I could not care for her at home with all of the complicated medications and not being able to cope with her sleepless night walking. Mum is at peace now and I am grateful for the energy, kindness and laughter that Yin brought her way.
I would never lump ANY of those countries with China. HK and Taiwan are still doing their best to keep China off their country and culture. I was in HK 2019 August when they were protesting freedom from China.
Interesting topic. I am an Australian, NZ citizen and I have just spent New Years eve with a Chinese family who are our best friends. They are the most genuinely polite and friendly people I have known. Our children are the same age and they are much better behaved than any of the Western friends my son has. I lived in Indonesia for 14 years and they believe Australians are the worst behaved people that go there. My experience there suggests they are correct. 90% of the time if there is a fight in a club or bar it involves an Australian. Does that mean all Australians are louts? Well I won't answer that one.
Well, no, of course it doesn't, but many esp young, Australians travelling in Asia tend to display some of the worst traits you would normally associate with Australians, amongst them, extreme drunkenness and an absurd degree of patriotism, which sometimes merges somehow into racism. In my experience older Australians are much better ambassadors. I think it relates somehow to being in very free environments and away from normal social pressures, but it's definitely an area that would be interesting to research 😊
@@larapalma3744True, in Indonesia we like Mainland Chinese tourists better than Australian now. It was true, that we had bad behaving Mainland Chinese tourists before, but in the recent years we have good behaving Mainlanders overwhelming the bad behavior ones.
I am Singaporean, all my grandparents were born in China (my parents were born in Singapore), and lived in Australia for over 14 years. There is a bit of difference between Mainland Chinese and overseas Chinese, mainly because, imo, of the Cultural Revolution in China, which threw out all "traditional values". Therefore, you see less of this general disrespect in other East Asian cultures such as Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan and Korea (who all share a similar Confucian ethic). That said. most Asians have this elitist attitude where whoever has the best academic record and the most material wealth are "better" than anyone else, and therefore entitled to do whatever they want without regard to anyone else who is a "lesser" being. There is also this concept of "real" concern that involves being brutally honest to the ones you care most about, so that they develop themselves into better people. As a result, I spend my childhood being berated for not being top of the class, being "too fat", not dressing nicely etc, etc... Not all parents are like this, it really depends on how "face conscious" your own parents are.
The airline I work for used to be owned by mainly Chinese shareholders. When we started flying to Hong Kong, they created an online training module called "China ready" This very long training module was aimed at cultural awareness. They explained how the Chinese aren't "rude" when they talk loud, but it us due to being a crowded country. I felt the whole module was to change the mindset of us Aussie crew. Like all was normal 🤷♀️ I also think the rudeness threshold of Australians is very low. I observe this a lot at work. Having flown for 2 big Middle Eastern airlines, my rudeness threshold is quite high. I don't get offended easily. But I can see my Aussie colleagues get upset by rudeness much easier than me. We are all so different in this world.
I think the low rudeness threshold of many Australians is because most of the original white Australian settlers were migrants from the UK, as my grandparents were. Over there, concepts of politeness and good manners are even more stringent than they are here. We've been brought up in that sort of culture. Personally, I think it just makes life more pleasant for everyone if people use polite speech and behaviour as much as possible.
As someone who lived in Hong Kong for 10 years, it was interesting to see how much Hong Kongers were disgusted with the manners of mainland Chinese. It may be something that makes the growing integration of Hong Kong into China problematic.
Cultural differences can be humorous as well. There's a Chinese woman who runs the local pharmacy here, and has done for as long as I can remember. She's a very small, very loud, happy lady, who still has the thickest of accents. We always joke about her bluntness, however, as her voice is so loud, she is more of less declaring to everyone in the pharmacy what your malady is. "Oh, so and so, how are you?! Did that cream work? You keep using it, to fix that itch, twice a day, la?" I've certainly overhead some funny things while waiting for my script.
I'd say most of her comments seen exaggerated for eye catching. Cultural difference is there, some of the behaviours are not considered rude in China, they do it not because they want to be rude, but because they don't know it's considered rude in Australia.
My family used to celebrate New Years Day at a large park in Melbourne that had several large shelters that could be booked in advance; one year, we had all our stuff set up on the tables in the shelter while we played games nearby; a Chinese family walked up and pushed our stuff aside, ignoring the large reserved signage and were quite hostile when asked to move on, saying that we had no right to stop them using the shelter..
Hello, I’m a Korean living in Perth. This issue has actually been a topic of debate in Korea for a long time and remains controversial even today. Neighboring countries of China also face similar discussions, and I believe this is not a matter of cultural differences between East and West. In fact, I don’t think it can be justified as a cultural difference at all. I cautiously believe it simply comes down to their attitude.
Read "The WEIRDest People in the World: How the West Became Psychologically Peculiar and Particularly Prosperous". Joseph Henrich explores the unique cultural and psychological traits of WEIRD (Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, Democratic) societies, contrasting them with more traditional or tribal mindsets. Henrich argues that the divergence in mindset and societal structures significantly contributed to the success and global influence of Western societies In Summary: The transformation from a kinship- and community-based mindset to a more individualistic and institution-based mindset played a pivotal role in the rise of Western societies. These cultural shifts created the psychological and social conditions for the development of democracy, capitalism, and global influence. Henrich’s work shows that these differences are not inherent but are products of historical and cultural evolution.
I'm an Australian and I think you're commentary on this topic has been respectful and light hearted, I like your comparison to our culture and how there are similarities in different parts for example our young spit to show they're rebellious but, we expect our older to get over that rebelliousness. Where the older Chinese are the ones who spit, likely for the same reasons. Interesting perspective. Good work
I think the Chinese lady is simultaneously pointing out two different things. One is that Chinese people behaving in ways that can be perceived as rude and disrespectful by other people, and the other is they refuse to acknowledge and be reflective about that. The first thing could be innocent ignorance but the second can’t be. It always takes a lot of courage and hard work to change. And I do appreciate your empathetic approach while thinking about your unpleasant experience! Thanks for the great video!❤
Yeah, I think you nailed it. And I don't think that's unique to Chinese people at all. Aussies (myself included) and probably every other culture often have blinkers on when it comes to what their behaviour is like and how it's perceived by other people. For instance, wearing shoes inside in Australia is quite common, but if you did that in Japan I think they'd be horrified and offended.
@@AussieEnglishPodcast basic rule in my opinion is to adjust to the culture of the country you are in. As in "When in Rome, behave like Romans" or something like that :).
I was born in the 60s and homophobic slurs were the norm in my childhood and early adult life. Australia has definitely changed a lot since those times.
I still remember passengers rushing onto buses at the terminal station to occupy seats for themselves and families. Mum and dad boarded me through a window so that I got seated. It was too populated and everything was in shortage. I genuinely didn't appreciate those behaviours. However after growing up in such culture I would always naturally be panic of losing position in chasing all kinds of chances. Even if it's just a parking spot.
Yeah, I guess that's the thing we take for granted growing up and living in Australia. The availability of resources and not having to compete as much for them.
There is a mindset of scarcity amongst many of the PRCs. The Great Leap forward probably left some genetic survival imprint with millions dying from the terrible famine. Imagine coming from a near vacuum of food + income into a better environment economically and materially. This translates to behaviors like queuing early, cutting queues ,rushing for the most expensive item during buffets & grabbing more than they can eat. The PRCs who lived in older Chinese cities have overcrowded living conditions, as such people talk loudly so they can be heard. There is also a cultural phenomenon of drinking hot water because they used to come from poor sanitary conditions. Historically Chinese culture uses examinations to gain access to become officials. For thousands of years it has been the social hierarchy of Emperor >royalty>officials> peasants. Its social mobility Chinese style.
No one is stopping you flying the flag mate. That's your right, and no one can stop ya. Some of us feel abit cringey seeing those who like to display their flags and make it their personality, due to the fact that obtrusive flag displays have been co-opted by the Far-Right and racist groups all around the world. That's our right to feel that way, and no one can stop us from feeling so. Your statement certainly didn't do the job.
There’s lots of people who wave their flags in large groups in Australia & most of them hold protests regularly. Are they also far-right? Genuine question. I rarely see large groupings of the Australian flag except on important occasions of course.
My Ms is Vietnamese, and one of the most wonderful caring people I’ve ever met. It’s very obvious though that Vietnamese have very different social rules. One that cracks me up is when you meet someone new it’s very normal to ask how much do you earn? Very normal almost to the point of being weird if you don’t ask it… As an Australian I cringe when she asks but it’s just how she is and how she was brought up.
as a chinese person who immigrated to australia when I was around 5, i fully agree. I've been back to china a few times the the behaviour from some people were just awful (not saying there aren't nice people, there still are lots)
I shower both at night (on work days) and in the morning (every day) one is to clean the other is mostly to free up my muscles, back and joints in the morning, due to chronic pain from working as a mechanic.
It is essentially a stupid question, manners are by nature contextual and locally bound. Montaigne said hundred years ago that what is not in our custom seems barbaric. An regular Australian guy would probably have bad manners in a lot of places here in Japan, but a Japanese person would have bad manners in talking loudly in a restaurant in France, and American kids would be told in France to not interrupt their parents when talking among adults, etc... it's not hierarchical it's just different.
I spent three years in Malaysia in the 1980's in the RAAF and majority of us were fascinated at the fanaticism of some (not all) the oriental people, but just about every American sailor was fanatical about the USA and their flag. They were horrified that if someone burnt the flag, protect the flag at all costs! At the time Australia was considering if we were going to change to the flag design so it was no a big issue for us and we relied 'get another flag, it could be a design change tomorrow, it is only a cloth'. Although we came from across Australia, the general opinion was the same, yes it is our flag, but it is only a flag. Ps different in ceremonial parades etc.
“Scarcity Mindset” as pointed out in a comment here explains it beautifully. Anyone thinking Australian culture intrinsically superior should watch videos of Aussies fighting over toilet paper at Coles and Woolies during Covid. I’m grateful to the British Empire for stealing these beautiful lands of plenty for us to mine / farm the heck out of them and live a prosperous Australian Dream. 🙏🇦🇺
I don't know where you live, but I live close to the Sydney CBD, and I have never seen an Aussie spit in public, nor jump the queue - they'd never get away with that, nor be jingoistic - flag-waving happens at sporting events and/or Australia Day.
I live in Geelong. I think it's mainly younger boys in their teens. I know I definitely did it as a kid and friends did too, but I grew out of it once I reached high school haha
@@AussieEnglishPodcast Ah, I've been a teacher for over 40 years. If, on a very rare occasion, a student did that at school once, they didn't do it twice lol.
@@AussieEnglishPodcast I never put any child on detention. As a deputy I often had to supervise it, but I personally didn't see any way it would change behviour in a lasting, positive way. I talked to these guys about community responsibility and disease. I'm sure many would have preferred detention lol.
I have been living in Australia since 2022 and I had some issues with some Chinese colleagues of work and some of them were rude to me only two colleagues are nice
As somebody who has lived as an expat in China, population is a small part of the cultural issue with Chinese tourtists being pushy. The main issue is socio-politcal, due to the way the goverment treats the general population. They are basically forced to fend for themselves which perpetuates the mindset that the individual only thinks of themselves, which means manners and consideration of others in a public setting in not as important as what it is to most of us Aussies.
This video was so interesting to watch to see the different perspectives and as someone in a wheelchair I have found it very frustrating. I went to the art gallery the other day and it was particularly busy because of the school holidays and it meant there were a lot of Chinese tourists and the number of people both kids and grown adults who literally walked over the legs of my wheelchair to push in front of me was insane! It has happened at shopping centres before too but never this many in one day and it is so frustrating and I feel like it has got worse since covid for some reason too. I fell like it’s almost like Aussies are getting so sick of the general lack of respect that they have started to give up on common courtesy and manners themselves which is so sad, but i guess people are just sick of losing out on things simply because they are being polite. It’s sad because Australia has always had a very kind and friendly culture where the majority of people were very accomodating to wheelchairs and would hold doors open and let you into the lift first but now fully able people are pushing in front of people in wheelchairs or with prams to beat them to the lift. While i get that some of this behaviour is cultural, a lot of it is a blatant disregard for others
In NZ groups of Chinese people stand in doorways and walkways and have conversations while they hold everyone up. I have a friend who just barges through them.
Australian pride is different from American and Chinese national pride, where they see themselves as the greatest and anything that threatens their supremacy is either nonsense to be ignored or an existential threat to be destroyed. Australians see themselves to be more of the scrappy underdog. Our pride isn't dependent on being the strongest or best but by taking on the biggest and strongest kid on the block and even if we don't come out on top we give as good as we get. We also have a strong case of tall poppy syndrome and tend to dislike anyone who paints themselves as superior. We are the lucky country, and we are grateful to be here, especially when we look overseas, but any real pride is reserved for when we take on the "best," and we don't back down even when we probably should. Also sport. We love our sportsmen and women.
This Chinese rudeness is a direct result of communism. If you read classic Chinese philosophy (i.e. Confucius, the Dao de jing etc) you will find respect features very prominently and is very highly valued. If you compare mainland Chinese culture to Chinese diaspora cultures or to other East Asian cultures which were once in the Chinese cultural sphere, but which weren't contaminated by communism (e.g. South Korea, Japan, and to some extent Hong Kong), you'll find they do highly value respect. My Chinese/Singaporean and Chinese/Indonesian family members have quite a strong disconnect from my Mainland Chinese family members because of this.
It is a very complicated issue involving multiple reasons. Other than those mentioned in the comments, I think another possible explanation is that those who can afford to travel overseas are the people that are better-off and often feel entitled. And they are only a small proportion of the whole Chinese population. If you go to China to see for yourself, you will find that there are many people who are down-to-earth, very humble and kind-hearted.
When you work in the health industry, specially in aged care you are expose to saliva, blood to name a few. Therefore it is very necessary that you are clean (showered) when you start work and clean (shower/scrubbed) before you go to bed. It is a neccesity.
Regarding Chinese aunties/uncles, one theory is that growing up either during or in the aftermath of the Cultural Revolution scarred an entire generation emotionally (generally speaking), where turning on friends and family was commonplace, and you got nothing that you didn't fight for. Also, it was far better to attack than be attacked. This has persisted somewhat because of the example that generation set for their children, but a huge event like that leaves a lasting mark. In the U.S., the generation that grew up during the Great Depression and World War II were weird in another way (again, generally speaking) - hardy, taciturn, and obsessed with having enough food and essentials at hand. Thinking back upon my grandparents, it's mind-boggling.
Chinese Malaysian and Indonesians, I find to come across as rude. Although not all mean to be its just the way they do things differently than most westerners are custom to. Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, and other Asian nationalities are more respectful when they are greeting people.
We have a lot of descendant of indentured Chinese laborers in Indonesia and Malaysia brought by European. And they are known to be of poor manners and have problems integrating to the locals. They really embarrass us as Chinese. They should have stayed back in their village in China. Yet, the likes of my family have been in South East Asia for centuries before the age of the Europeans, and we have no problem integrating with the locals while maintaining our strong Chinese identity even during political storms. If we have any disagreeable manners, we would not be accepted for so long, and even sheltered by the locals during the violent 1960s political upheavals. In fact, the reason that there is no Europeans left after South East Asian countries gained independence, was because the Europeans never actually dealt with the locals directly. We the Chinese dealt with the local and the Europeans as intermediaries. If we were not well behaved and honorable, how could we be tolerated by the two parties that could never see eye to eye to one another?
Their whole mindset is based on FOMO - fear of missing out, because in China, you really can miss out. It's especially prevalent in the lost generation (Chinese people born between 1966-1976, the Cultural revolution period). Learn the phrase qu ni de (chu ni da) 🤭 It works for me.
I know Aussies and Kiwis love to hate each other, but listening to responses made me realise how much our cultures align. I think you should have said "why, thank you" to the Chinese lady who puts her bags either side of you and start unzipping to see what goodies you could find. Hopefully some yummy home cooked Chinese food. Re the shower timing. You mentioned about people in physically dirty jobs getting home and showering. I think it also matters how early you start work and how early you're prepared to get out of bed. It also depends on bathroom sharing schedules with others in your household. Maybe you're just a person that needs a shower to wake up.
The lady said older Chinese in particular, think they are never wrong. I've noticed this is amplified by the CCP, anytime they have a confrontation with another country or they have done something that was frowned upon outside of their country, they are never wrong it's always someone else that caused the issue. As far as stature is concerned, I have seen and heard American's say that they have a large house, multiple vehicles, work hard and their kids are going to ivy league colleges etc., these "things" show they have done well for themselves.
Yeah I mean pretty much every country doesn't admit they are wrong. America certainly hasn't said them not cutting off war supplies to Israel is wrong so...eh?
I also teach English and Academic Skills at Griffith University and have experienced this arrogance from mainland Chinese firsthand. Particularly, in the past (before COVID-19) the most disrespectful were elites often associated with the CCP or with a parent in the PLA. However, now I have found nearly the opposite particularly since the students seem to be less politically associated (not that I am always asking) and a minority among other nationalities. The class environment is far more cooperative and harmonious now with a wider cultural mix. I will mention one particular student from the past I always remember called Alvin who also used to dominate other Chinese students in Mandarin and was extraordinarily arrogant. However, here is the kicker Alvin thought he was so cool in his ‘Boy’ gold shoes and t-shirts until a Saudi student in a discussion said ‘Boy’ was gay. The banter went around for a while when I stepped in and said look it up on the internet, but he continued. So, I had state “Look Alvin I grew up in the 1980s and Boy George is quite proudly gay”. Guess what next day no gold shoes. Months later a fellow student told me he had burned all his ‘Boy’ fashion gear on the BBQ. Incidentally, there was some conjecture as to he had cheated on an exam.
I had a friend who is married to a Chines lady, he would say the same, but interestingly, she written off a neighbours parked car and speed off... not the most "lovely thing to do" but very typical of a secular understanding of "love"
As an Aussie, I have never known the Chinese people to be rude.. They are very industrious, work hard and are always Polish. We are lucky to have them here. The Chinese woman in this video is very aggressive…….so unlike any Chinese people I know.
As an Australian Chinese, thanks for your honesty, I have never heard that we were dirty, thieving, lying, evil stealing people as this channel set us out to be as well.
Had a girl help me get a Sim card on the first day I was in Shanghai, spent two hrs with me, had another lady call a taxi for us and paid for it because we asked directions, they were the nicest people clean and classy the place is spotless, can't wait to get back
White Australian here. I had a girl approach me on the street in Beijing asking for money, Id just arrived and didnt have any cash on me so said sorry, she replied by spitting a huge piece of flem into my face. My first day in China, great memory.
Enjoyed listening to your commentary. Appreciated your views. Please do more videos. Im a shower before bed type. Only in winter do I shower in the mornings! Had a few laughs especially about your example given regarding your seat! And just from a look between the other man and you, it got sorted. Hooray. What’s interesting is I know tourists love our friendliness yet struggle to be friendly back at times. Our underpinning values are mateship and being friendly and helping ppl/strangers out. That happened in my grandparents’ day and still happens today, praise God. ❤
I am Chinese, I did notice some olderly do not care about their manners. And they are self absorbed. As younger generation. People will care ppl around them.
Many cultures have similar problems. It is especially the problem with tourists believing that they can behave like at home or they think that they have money to spend so the locals must be happy that they came. I am Danish and I believe Danish tourists often behave like that. That is at least what I have heard. I have travelled to a number of countries and how I behave I don't know but I do know that my travel has mainly been as a professional and one thing I learned very early by my co travellers or work mates as they also where was to speak English as people around you would then be able to understand what you where talking about. There could be a couple of people from the same country in the group and if they spoke their own language they where usually told to speak a language we all could understand. I have now lived in Australia for many years, my wife is Thai and unfortunately her sister and my wife always speak Thai together. The result has been that my wife doesn't speak very good English. Now after many years I must admit that I have given up and I now also speak Danish to a Danish friend that I have. It is partly so that we still can remember Danish. I have been here 46 years and English is about to become my first language.
Wow, interesting. I can't imagine how long it'd take for me to have English become a second language. Probably not as long as you'd think assuming you stopped speaking it and spoke a different language every day.
@@AussieEnglishPodcast That is exactly what I did. I joined an international group about 50 years ago and my technical knowledge was more important than my language skills so I could only speak very basic English then. I learned on the job. In the early days I could not order a meal in a restaurant and know what I would get. Within a week from starting I was alone in Johannesburg South Africa on my first real trip outside Denmark. I have experienced a lot over the years I can tell you. Later I had to live in Venna Austria and work fly in fly out in the late 1070's Moscow. In 1078 I ran away and migrated to Australia. I got stuck here with a pretty good life. No more traveling. In the previous 3.5 years I had eaten on an average 1.5 times a day in a restaurant. You get tired of that.
@@leonhardtkristensen4093 wow... sounds like you've definitely had an interesting life, mate! Incredible! Lol and the 1.5x a day in restaurants recently is pretty intense but sounds good haha
Re kids being pushed to achieve...I have a relative who was a symphony orchestra member. He told me once that Chinese professional musicians/orchestras, are technically perfect in their playing, but its like they learn it "parrot fashion". There is no emotion in their playing, no interpretation, it's just all along one level. I've spoken to a couple of other orchestral players in completely different countries and they said much the same. Such talent but no feeling in it. Its very sad.
I think it’s not just about the Chinese. Every country has such characters. I have many very good Aussie friends and colleagues. However, I’ve had a few bad experiences with some born Aussies, and even my other good Aussie friends were upset about that. Last week, I was in Melbourne, and I saw someone, probably a tourist, taking photos of his wife at Flinders Street. He was shouting at people to move out of his frame-it was so weird! It’s really about individuals, not about the country. There are good and bad people in every country-India, China, Australia, America, and every corner of the world.
I'm glad this video isn't just agreeing with the original vid and agreeing everything she says is uniquely Chinese behaviour, but instead it's you recognising that this stuff exists elsewhere in the world, including Australia.
Thanks for seeing that, mate. The whole point was to consider the differences and compare them without being judgemental or nasty about it. I just find this sort of stuff incredibly interesting. Cultural behaviour is quite often arbitrary and really dependent on environment and history more than anything else.
Unfortunately I got a Southern Cross tattoo in mid 2003, long before they became a widespread symbol of mindless bogans. It's now actually pretty embarrassing and I've thought about getting it removed
And precisely who gets to judge who & what is a "mindless bogan"?? I have a fairly broad experience of Anglo Australians in my forty year career....Some of those people have hearts of gold.
@@Wyz369Exactly so. I wonder if others are easily allowed to be grouped together in the same way? Somehow I think not smh Truly the irony is astounding!
I think most of the opinions are way too off topic, the reason which can be summarised concisely (for 99% Chinese relating issues) is the social context for the recent decades in China: limited resources. Environmental/natural resources, educational, medical, career opportunities, etc. when you need to compete millions of people to get what you want, it looks more easier to understand those 'nonsense' behaviours/manners. Thinking of people living Australia, any kind of resources to be divided in 24 million rather than 1.4 billion, people are really in the mode of 'no worries. And this is the case of Chinese people in 2024, not 1994 which was worse absolutely, it is improving. It would make more sense to help people understand by making a comparison, thinking about the current India.
Thing is, the wealthy rude Chinese people who travel are not desperate and competing to live. They have a sense of entertainment. ed 'entitlement'.... bloody predictive text.
@@kentaylor2416 as you already made the comments like 'wealthy rude XXX', which can be used in any circumstance, 'wealthy rude American', ' wealthy conservative 'red neck', etc. The comment above is to provide a way to understand how those bad behaviours were formed. for the word 'entitlement', all things on this land I believe is entitled by indigenous.
For me working as an Educator.... Asian students are the worst to try and get help when it is needed. Asian mindset is all about good grades, and not being themselves and finding happiness. When they get overworked during year 11 and 12 and need medical assistance for anxiety their parents often do not know what to do and want their kids with that label. Austism and learning difficulites are also another thing where sometimes parents area lost what to do. For their child to have this is highly embarassing and then dealing with the issue further is often detrimental for the child later. Last year I actually set some personal homework for a student. I asked her to find something that gives her joy and do it. That confused the living daylights out of her and her mother, then she did a few things like going for a walk and realising this is what I meant all along. My biggest pet hate when I am down the street with an Asian person is when they light up a cigarette in front of me. There is literally a no smoking sign in front of them but I will light up anyway. If you try asking them politely to please smoke that away from you cause it makes you very sick they will ignore and continue to do it. For me it gives me a migraine everytime so I find this extremely rude as well as 9 times out of 10 illegal. Please do not find my comments as racist! I am there for a lot of my students no matter the race, or culture. I sometimes just sit there and let my students vent cause they need to. We need to always remember that Australia is a multicultural nation. depending where you are and whose home you are in the culture of the people around you sets a lot of different ideas. I find not just Asian, Chinese are at fault. A lot of things our nation sees as ok.... in other countries is taboo or bonkers...not much we can do but pay attention to these issues and try not to get upset.
I have respect for Chinese and long history too! But what i saw my experience!!im not Australian and first time i see Chinese in Australia like i owe them something I haven’t see rude things like this from Australian people teh i see from Chinese Australian !
One example to share: there is only one tiny playground in my community which has around 800 families. The tiny playground is about 50m2 and has 2 swings, 1 seesaw, 1 tunnel and other small equipments. That's the main reason why my kid loves living in Sydney more than in China.
Please share your opinions and experiences below! And please remember to keep things civil and respectful in the comments. This video is just meant to be a fun exploration of our differences and similarities!
I love that you covered such a controversial topic. All cultures should be treated with respect, but let's not kid ourselves: they're not the same, they have different strengths and weaknesses. Australians put down people who dream big. I'm actually surprised you admitted that you went to a private school - most Australians have learned to keep that a secret for good reason.
Good vid reminds me of the time I went to a Brazilian dance show at a RSL club. The host asked people from the audience to get up and try to dance Brazilian style. One of them was an old Chinese man and instead of dancing he started dry humping the female dancer. The host says hay that is my sister that is the wrong dance you are doing. The female dancer was you could see was a bit shocked. And after they started agian and yep he did it agian. After the second time he was then kicked of the stage. And the old turd was laughing all the way back to his seat getting away with his lude act.
Also the older generation can be annoying my old dad said to one of my mates who came over whom heard him speaking. He said your not speaking normal english go learn how to do so. My mate was pissed but I laughed it of and said don't worry I get that crap all the time.
In China , kids are brainwashed.
@@oliversissonphone6143😂 Righto!
The problem is no chinese people is going to see this video.
I’m an Aussie and have always showered before bed because I need to wash the day off me before I get into my clean bed, but I also need to shower in the morning to feel clean to start my day 😊
Haha Kylie's way ahead of the rest of us then!
I'm the same, can't open my eyes properly before a morning shower and need one to wash off the day before bed
Same
Shower twice a day in the driest continent on earth, I just can't justify it water is precious, but my brother showers twice a day.
Showering too much is not good for your skin unless you shower using cold water. Back in the sixties, we didn't have showers and bathed once a week.
Japanese culture is almost the opposite. Respect is super important, and you show respect whether you mean it or not. I always assumed that with over 100 million people squashed together like the Japanese, you had to be polite and respectful for society to function. I guess China proves that wrong. Two Asian countries with completely different ways of living together.
its curious when they put signs for "japanese only" in some restorants, and let olders work to the bone abandoned in some corner.
Selfish chinese communism where individuals don't matter, the party is everything vs democratic Japan with respect and empathy so we can all live in together.
@@encrackens Ive been to Japan over 50 times & have never seen such a sign at any restaurant, your comment is total BS
@@encrackensOld japanese people want to work.
Their sense of duty is strong and ingrained.
The Chinese, Korean, Taiwanese and Hong Kong are ruining japan
I’m a Chinese studying in Australia, so I feel like I have a decent say on this. A lot of the stuff you mentioned in the video was pretty interesting. Like the part about a Chinese person competing with you for a seat. Honestly, that’s pretty common. When it comes to manners, I think it depends on the person. It’s true that some older people, especially those in their 50s or 60s, can act like that. I’m not saying all of them, but yeah, stuff like what you described does happen.
For example, back in China I was at a train station and saw a seat like five meters away, so I started walking towards it. But before I got there, this middle-aged woman literally ran past me and took it. Things like this happen a lot. I even saw a post online about a Chinese grandparent taking a whole bag to Woolies and grabbing all the free fruit meant for kids.
Stuff like this honestly makes me feel pretty bad because it gives people the wrong impression of all Chinese people. But I think it’s important to understand that older generations grew up in a completely different environment. Many of them went through really hard times, like famine and a lack of education, and they had to fight for resources just to survive. That mindset probably stuck with them.But when it comes to younger Chinese people, I don’t think this is much of an issue. Sure, there are exceptions, but for the most part, I think younger generations are way more polite and thoughtful.
Mate, thank you for sharing that. I really appreciate your insight. I think it makes sense as you say that it may be a hangover from mid-1900s China and what the population went through. And the point of the video wasn't for me to vilify Chinese people, but more contrast and compare and think about why these differences might be there. These things fluctuate in all cultures anyway over time.
No the young ones are rude too, it ultimately comes down to values, and politeness and manners unlike Australia is not something that's particularly important to the Chinese. Also I'm Australian and seeing the differences in how people from certain cultures behave is obvious to see, take Melbourne for example, before the massive amount of immigration we've had in the past 10 years walking through the city was nice now you have almost the entire city filled with people who will walk straight into you if you don't get out of the way, constantly see large groups of particularly Chinese people stopping in the middle of the footpath holding hands from one side of the footpath to the other without any awareness or care for people around them. Australians hold manners and politeness in extremely high regard because being rude to someone in this country is a good way to get your head knocked off. Also I find the Chinese have no appreciation for Australia at all and it's solely use as a place to exploit for personal gain, there is no attempt by Chinese immigrants generally to fit into Australian culture, they come here and create homogenized enclaves. The vast majority of Chinese have no interest in even associating with Australians or even learning the most rudimentary amount of English. I speak more mandarin than most Chinese people in Australia speak English and I know very little mandarin or have any desire whatsoever to go to China yet the 5 accumulated hours of mandarin I learnt is more than what these people moving to this country are willing to learn and it's not like Chinese people aren't smart and cant learn even a small amount of English, it just shows they have no desire to Integrate into Australian society at all.
Your in Australia,leave your bad behaviour in China.
Can you please tell your friends to stop coming here?
Aussies are getting tired of the amount of Chinese and Indians flooding into our country and trying to change everything to be more like their countries.
Study in China. It's literally your country.
Have you seen the "Chinese are miserable" videos? It's not just older people, I'm afraid.
Im in Germany, and i met a chinese couple when I was in language courses. The courses lasted a few months. They were incredibly polite to me. I also met an australian man in my first job here. I would describe him as both friendly and enthusiastic.
I have run into rude people in this country, but i did not make it a priority to remember much about them. Kind people make a lasting impression, for me.
So....don't go to China, or anywhere when they go on national holiday.
Exactly....as my grandparents used to say, "Courtesy costs nothing." If somebody, regardless of race or "culture" is rude or pushy, they'll be called out by me. I'm old & mean & I definitely do NOT tolerate political correctness.
In Thailand on holiday I was shocked by the spitting even in the dining room into the pot plants. A mother and daughter pushed past us in a huge line. My daughter managed to get ahead of them again (the lines were zig zag and partitioned). We spent the next 20 minutes locked in a silent battle. Right near the end they lost focus and left a gap so I got ahead again (back to where I should have been). Yay winner!
Side note every time I meet a group of Taiwanese they are super lovely.
Taiwanese are different, indeed. Been to Taiwan and I can say they are respectful, helpful and kind.
@@MiriamCanoNietomost of scamers are from Taiwan.
If they tried that in China they would have someone shouting in their face as loudly as they were able.
I'm Aussie and had an Emglish friend with an Italian husband actually born and raised in Italy. They were approaching a table, at a large botanic gardens park, where a big Italian family were putting there eaten lunch, paper plates amd rubbish in the bins and packing bags into a car. They were talking about going for a walk to get icecreams from the kiosk and go for a walk along the paths in the spring flower display gardens. My friends were now sitting on the bench nearby with picnic stuff obviously waiting for the table. The Italians started discussing leaving the vinyl table cloth clipped to the table with two half filled jars of sauce. This, was said, so my two friends would not take ovrr the table by the time they got back for afternoon tea. They were shocked when the husband spoke back to them in Italian telling them they were being shamefully rude. They were shocked, laughed, excused themselves, finished packing everything and drove off... to.......somewherelse.
What ? Ai bot ?
From south Italy.
I am Indian and have Chinese wife, definitely it took a while for us to adjust to Aussie lifestyle as we have moved from Singapore.
We love Australia and learning Aussie culture
Good on ya, mate! Welcome and hope you guys are doing well here!
How good is Jasprit Bumrah. Bring on the Sydney test,
Cheers 🥂
Enjoy while you still have your savings. Once you are dry, you would hope you would never leave Singapore. Many Indonesians do. Many came to Australia with plenty of savings. After 10 years, many have gone back. After 20 years, many could not even afford to go back to start a new. On the bright side, they still can take the benefits of social security, in destitution.
What farce is, many Aussie move to Indonesia for affordable livings. No housing crisis here despite our population is ten times Australia. No living unaffordability here despite we still import many of our foods and everyday stuff.
We had a bus load of Chinese tourists try and cut in front of us at the Currumbin Bird Sanctuary and I was like oh hell no you’re waiting your turn. 😂
Maybe we've met. We were in line behind an Anglo couple, where the wife turned around and said we need to wait our turn as if we did not understand. I said go ahead, you're holding up the line. We did not budge, her frame hoarded two lanes of a pathway anyways lol.
I notice the rude behaviour when boarding a bus or train here in Sydney. You'd be patiently waiting for the doors to open and or other passengers to disembark when suddenly from out of nowhere, right behind you 1 or more Chinese people just push in front of you without a care in the world for anyone else but themselves.
Mate, this happens to all people in Sydney. I've seen caucasians deliberately collide themselves into others. So what? The reality is that this sht happens everywhere among every type of people. Just because you've seen Chinese people do it, does not mean ONLY Chinese people do it.
I notice that Aussie often proud that the majority of their Chinese come from Hongkong and Guangdong, which they praised very much. Funny that you complain that the Chinese in Australia behave like, them. In fact, even the Chinese everywhere, including in Indonesia, have the same problem with you about them behaving the way they do. The difference is, you admonish them Chinese behavior while we admonish them as, Cantonese.
@Phoenix-bq7lw because I have witnessed it so often no matter the age either whether Chinese or whichever
I live in Sydney and catch bus and train. As an Australian Chinese, this has never happened to me. I have been pushed but its not Chinese alone. Its a mix of people. When I first worked in CBD it was a chubby white lady that walk right into me and kept walking. I do not assume that all white people are like this. But do your thing and assume all Chinese people are rude.
@kaneidareyue7715 I'm only saying what I have witnessed first hand a few times. Sure there are many other cultures that portray rude behaviour too, I don't doubt that at all
I learnt that the so called „Cultural Revolution“ in China meant that basic manners, being courteous and politeness were seen as „bad“, as in bourgeois, and needed to go in order to pave the way for a communist society, so a lot of Chinese did away with manners then … or later born Chinese never leant any. And I’d say that Taiwanese are way more polite than mainlanders, yes.
simply democracy versus dictatorship. free countries share the same value. there has not been a war between two democracy countries.
in authoritarian society they only listen to power. in democracy everyone has equal right, so we have to respect each other with manner.
Agree, got a deep understanding of this issue. There is opposition to imitating the behaviors of the bourgeoisie.
That is not what the Cultural Revolution is about. And nothing to do with dictatorship too. Classic situation of other cultures pretending to know other cultures. And just because 1 Chinese talks down about billions of Chinese doesn't make her right.
Taiwan is living on borrowed time
@@百度八九六四 There has not been a war between 2 democratic countries? You must not know history then. The so-called "democratic" countries invaded, destroyed and pillaged most the of the world. Where was the natives "equal rights" when they were part of the country? It was so bad that the natives had to FIGHT for their independence. So much for the "respect" you speak of.
Moreover, Finland also fought against the Allies in WW2. So dont go around saying there has not been a war between 2 democratic countries again.
It's what some ppl call 'scarcity' mindset. A lot of Chinese ppl, especially the older ppl, have gone through famines, starvation, basically lack of resources and their main goal of life is to survive, even at the expense of other ppl. Ppl also dobbing their neighbours/friends in to the authorities to ensure that they themselves don't get dobbed in. Those who dobbed their neighbours/friends in and collected more resources at the expense of others tend to survive or thrive while those who try to not dob others in or try to be more considerate of others tend to starve to death, experience more extreme poverty or taken to the concentration camp by the authorities. So, in effect, the whole society was promoting opportunistic attitudes, lack of manners, hoarding of resources at the expenses and lack of trust in anyone other than their own family. This kind of attitudes or way of life became the norm and was reinforced by those who thrived by practicing this way of life. Their traditional Confucius teachings were replaced by communist/dectatorship brainwashing.
Now, even though the poverty or scarcity of resources are not really there for most ppl, their scarcity mindset is still very present in the minds of the mainland Chinese ppl, especially the older generations, who are so scared in their subconscious, that lack of resources could come again at any time. This is also reinforced by inconsistencies/uncertainties in their government policies which may affect anyone at any time unexpectedly.
In South Korea, where I originally come from, Chinese ppl have the reputations of having no manners, being so loud in public, not washing for days, smoking in public transport (and shouting when someone tells them not to smoke there), hoarding expensive food at buffet, urinating/defecating on streets, scamming, and causing trouble in whatever way possible.
There are many videos about this kind of issues done on youtube, such as The China show, China uncensored, and some others. They go further indepth about it.
Wow, that's a deep explanation for some of these differences. How soon do you think these kinds of cultural behaviours change when those original causes are no longer there? Or is it in a generation permanently?
I'm Aussie and I love Koreans and Japanese but can't stand Indians and Chinese
@AussieEnglishPodcast It's definitely changing, but not rapidly. These behaviours are definitely more common among the older generations, but they are still apparently passing on their behaviours or lifestyles onto the next generations by their examples and home educations in general. So it is less prominent among younger ppl, but has not completely disappeared. It is also less prominent in the big/major cities compared to smaller cities or rural areas. That's why ppl in the major cities(eg. Shanghai or Beijing) very much look down on those who are from the country side as being backwards and uneducated. So not sure when or if this kind of behaviour will disappear, especially if you are looking at the whole country of China.
I met many oversees students from mainland China, and many of them looked down on rural ppl. But I met 1 who was from a very small city and did not come from rich family. She said she ate 1 meal a day to save money and would attend all the church religious or social event that offered free food. She would be the 1st to line up to get the food and would pile up her plate like a big miuntain, like there was no tomorrow. One time, they asked everyone to take a small serving 1st, because there are not enough food prepared for everyone, and she got even more food than what she used to get, because she knew she couldn't come back for 2nd serving. She didn't care how ppl perceived her, let alone care about other ppl, as long as she got the most amount of free food she could get. There are plenty of videos of Chinese ppl going crazy like animal for free food or seafood at a buffet.
@@musicbkim By mentioning dobbing neighbours/friends, I believe you are referring to the Cultural Revolution. Well, things were way worse than that. Wives dobbed husbands; kids dobbed parents; fathers were beaten by sons brutally; People murdered each other due to different opinions and went on without punishment... so on and so forth. Just imagine the worst things a person or group could do to another person. All this happened just fifty years ago nationwide and lasted ten years. Now we compare them with people who live in well-established countries where the legal system is sound and the society is healthy. Don't hate the player, hate the game my friend. My ancestors played the worst game ever in the world, and this is how we got here.
"It takes three generations to make a gentleman."
Interesting perspective and I see your points to a degree but many of the worst behaviours of the mainland Chinese are driven by the CCP, compare Taiwanese people to the Chinese mainlanders and it's like chalk and cheese, generally speaking of course.
Attitude comes from parents
I worked at the Penguin Parade, Phillip Island... One night I was working in Retail, had a massive line up of people and I've got a Chinese guy on the other side of me, (not in line, just rocked up) tapping me on the head expecting me to serve him before everyone else. Didn't work out for him. LOL 😅
Loved the line in the comments from the post this guy is using as reference: "You are expected to pay for the next in line if you go infront" 😂😂😂😂 Great line for any que-hopper...😂
On a recent cruise in Canada, the Chinese passengers are very rude. Walking down the corridors to our rooms, a large group of Chinese walking towards us, no way they were going to move over and give us room, need to move out of there way completely many times. Well, after a few days of this, my wife and I just stayed in our position, they were shocked that they had to move over and give US SOME ROOM.
The other, up on the top decks taking photos, moved back to get the photo I wanted, and bang, a group just walks right in front of you and start doing the stupid possies for their photos, got put back into their place very quickly.
I wouldn’t have moved an inch. I’d have waited ALL day if necessary. 👍🏽
Same in Bali. Tiny sidewalks and Chinese men carry large backpacks and ignore all others who need to walk around them as they stand in groups completely blocking all access. After two or three incidents of them ignoring me I simply shoulder charged any after that onto the road.
A Chinese guy was at the gas station; I was waiting for him because all the other gas lines were occupied. Knowing I was waiting for him, he was scrolling his phone even after filling his car. I was like OMG.
how did you know he was chinese?
@@sugepoolait’s all in the eyes
@@sugepoolaBecause he was rudely holding everyone up.
I think you meant God as in OMG and not as in...
That man is a God!
Am I right?🤔?
Maybe he was checking if he had enough money in bank card to pay petrol using phone app. I was doing it one time and a Aussie guy behind me shouted at me and tried to beat me
Brings back some old memories. I remember 10 years ago, a group of us Aussies (three of us) went to New Zealand to do the four-day hike at Milford Sound. There was a group of Asians who didn’t speak English. At the first overnight hut, as we settled in the kitchen to cook, our pots on the stove were removed and replaced by theirs. We just couldn’t figure out the logic. We just laughed it off.
hahaha yea typical chinese born around 1950s and 1960s
I would have never let them take my pots off in the first place! That crosses the line from humans to pigs!
Asia is a big place... 60% of the worlds population lives in Asia. It would be interesting to know where they were from
I was in a group of people waiting for a lift at the railway station. A Chinese woman at the back of the queue walked up to the front and pushed in to be first into the lift. No manners whatsoever.
Similarly I had an Indian gentleman push in front of me at Chemist Warehouse. No manners or consideration for other customers.
We were having a wake for my girlfriends aunty after her funeral. We were at a club in Riverwood. We had a beautiful wreath of her favourite yellow roses sitting on a side table next to the mourners. This Chinese woman walked up and started taking roses and putting them in her basket. My girlfriend asked her what she thought she was doing. She said "it alright, it alright". My girlfriend said it wasn't alright and she put a rose back but walked off with another in her shopping basket. I said "you should have told her ten dorra, that would have pissed her off".
Yeah, you laughed. They take your advantage. You were forced to wait after them.
In terms of flag waving, I saw this comment on Face Book the other day and kept it because it resonated with me.
Unfortunately, did not think I would be sharing it and subsequently cannot credit the original author.
"You know what’s patriotic?
Loving your country enough to care for its poor, fund its institutions, unite its communities, educate its children, restore its environment, respect its elderly, plan for its future and tell it the truth.
You know what’s not patriotic?
Flags."
There was a time when I found the Australian flag almost a reassuring sight. I wasn't about to decorate all my gear with it or get a Southern Cross tattoo but I was comfortable with the flag.
Time went by, stuff happened, mostly things like the One Nation party getting a bit more mainstream. Then, one day as I was driving past a house with a crapton of decoration in and around it, including a very large Australian flag, I suddenly realised that I no longer felt the same way about the Australian flag. It no longer seemed like a symbol of welcome or inclusivity, the far right had subsumed it into their iconography and it was no longer "mine".
Wokeism is the issue there's nothing wrong with being patriotic you should love your country!
If you don't like it you know where you can go right?
YES 💯%
@@resourcedragon our flag is far right? Wtf it embodies so much more then a far rights agenda.
You've let yourself down if you see nothing in it.
Look up the vexillology of the Australian flag.
There's something called "Little Emperor Syndrome/effect." where a lot of the older generation has the "me first." specially when the one child policy was in, then the kid would be overly told, that they are the best, in china, if i'm not wrong,
there's not really something called "retirement."
so the retirement is the child itself, your children takes care of you as you get old, so a lot of the children gets brought up, where they can never do no wrong, resulting in "Little Emperor Syndrome/effect."
Think this also relates to the significant (and I do mean SIGNIFICANT!) number of knife attacks at pre-schools/kindergartens in China, by predominantly widowed older men. Basically resentful that the young kids are getting everything, paid for by their parents, who are not willing to look after their parents (the grandparents, as was done in the past).
When I was in the Shanghai's Pudong Airport, I was waiting for my connecting flight and there were two families facing each other off shouting at each other. I didn't have a good grasp on the language and it really loked like a fight was about to break out, but then suddenly they all started laughing. Another thing I have seen is a parent walking with a toddler, maybe 3 years old, and they jsut squat them on the ground to defecate right there on a shopping mall floor, and I saw that many times. But what's weird, PDA is almost frowned upon (public displays of affection) yet they argue, spit, defacate and be generally rude to each other.
Ewwwwww
India is a bit like this
8:44 it is not weird because i figured out the reason . after spending decades in aus i went on a vacation to my home country. and people were so weird and rude. i closely observed and wondered how same people like me can be so rude? i think main reason is population density where people are competing for everything lot more than aus. for example if you try to be nice to others while standing in a queue you will be standing the whole day. but there are always exceptions like Japanese seems to live high density but very nice to each other.
I think it is unhygienic to go to bed without showering. I think showering in the morning is optional and can make you feel fresher. But going to bed dirty is gross.
@@rachelwicksIt can be 10 hours since your last shower, the night before. How can you go to work like that? It is gross.
@@rachelwicksdoesn't that depend on the activities of the day? A judgement of "gross" can be pretty offensive too🤨🤷
That form of 'hyper patriotism', especially the 'merican kind, just comes across as insecurity...
I never thought that.
When patriotism becomes nationalism it becomes a problem.
It's always funny It's the most Wanker/Bogan type of people too who have veiws and opinions about our country that have a irk, sometimes vile undercurrent to them.
Interesting.
There is nothing insecure about having a common identity with your own group.
These behaviours are not confined only to MLC (main land Chinese) tourists but immigrants as well. I live in a predominantly Asian suburb and I see this miserable behaviour everyday. Its a disgrace. There are signs posted everywhere in English only: " Racism not Welcome" Why only in English? Multiculturalism has made Australia an amazing place but in the past decade or so people have emigrated to Australia and failed to assimilate well in the Aussie culture, This in my opinion is where the issues arise.
Who posted those signs?? Waayyyycism emanates from any race, not just whites/euros. It's one reason why signage is defaced....people get frustrated😡
Are you in Box Hill or Glen Waverley? I live in a mainly European suburb but have Chinese neighbours on both sides. All nice people. Perhaps the people from China who want to live in mostly Chinese suburbs want to stick with their existing ways of doing things.
I believe this is a tragedy caused by a past historical event, namely the Cultural Revolution. In fact, ancient China was a country that valued etiquette and a sense of shame. However, the cruel and barbaric Cultural Revolution destroyed humanity, turning people into animals who abandoned basic human dignity for survival. How could politeness and quality be expected under such circumstances? People born in the 1940s -60s were all victims of the Cultural Revolution. The Chinese Communist Party has never taught values like propriety, righteousness, integrity, and a sense of shame, because they themselves do not understand civilization. They only continuously brainwash and implement policies to keep the populace ignorant, thereby solidifying their rule. As a result, people living there have never truly understood what civilization means.
In the novel The Three-Body Problem, Ye Wenjie loses hope in humanity and desires to destroy it largely due to her experiences during the Cultural Revolution.
CCP has destroyed Chinese culture, just so tragic.
In my three weeks in China I saw three Chinese kids having temper tantrums. In twelve years in non-China eastern Asia I never saw even one tantrum.
In China its common to have people shouting in your face as loudly as they can. It's normal. In the USA that would be the prelude to a fistfight.
Here in Bali one of the local museums disinvited Chinese tour busses for throwing trash. Even the Chinese government has a major movement to influence their citizens to behave in a civilized way.
Their government sends mixed messages.
It's a hard sell telling your people that they're the greatest race on earth and then expecting them to show respect to others.
Vietnamese people also shout in each other's faces. Asian people are more ferocious. Then again, so are those Kiwis.😮
As an Australian Chinese, I have seen lots of bad behaviours from all sorts, but its basically in line with the Prison system. The race and ethnics that are the rudest are the ones usually in the prison system. The Chinese are almost non-existent in Western Prison system. So go figure..
If you can read Chinese, you'll notice that the big PSA banners in read and yellow at every corner of the street are calling people to be more civilized and respectful. It's so ludicrous and pathetic. You would think that was a celebration message for some festival, but no.
@@bobfearnley5724 I bet that it works to some degree.
I was in South Korea in October. A lovely Chinese couple asked to take a photo of us, as we were trying to take a selfie. On the other hand in our hotel were many Chinese travellers. Now I use a walking stick so we are waiting at the lift. Doors open and all the young Chinese with suit cases, push past and get in first. Every blooming day until I had enough. I said to my husband not this time, as the door opened I placed my walking stick in front of their luggage and entered first. There were some not many Korean young ladies that were also a bit rude. Sadly this behaviour is world wide.
For years I was a home stay for international students, usually Asian. My impressions have varied according to what area the students were from. The more western, like Hong Kong the more adaptable they were to Aussie life. They were more affectionate, relaxed and friendly. However one thing that was the same, the students that came here to do secondary school were those that couldn’t get into the Chinese universities. Getting into a good university is very difficult and only the very top students will make it. But don’t think that these students who come here aren’t smart, because I found 90% made up the top of the classes. They all told me that school is very easygoing here. In china years 11 and 12 students went to school early am, had a couple of hours off at lunch then returned back to school till 9 pm. It’s stressful and demanding from teachers, parents and even other students. Each year before going home for holidays the girls would go on extreme diets because family and friends would tell them they were fat. Their skin had to be white and they used cream that I guess bleached the skin. A sponge wash in the morning before school and a shower at night. Top sheets on beds were foreign to them. They were quiet, studious and the girls very helpful. Hated our insects and would freak out when sighting even a fly or daddy long legs 😂😂. One girl complained about the birds in the area and how noisy they were, I asked but don’t you have birds in china, she said some but everyone eats them 😂😂 They could all eat like horses but never put on weight, must be all the rice. The boys , young ones who came over on a school tour , that I only occasionally had were rude, demanding and unclean, especially in the toilet. I had to mop it out every morning and night, ugh. Boys are spoiled in China and they looked at me like a servant. I liked the older boys who were respectful and kind.
I lived in Shanghai for 4 years and the first few months were an eye opener regarding chinese mannerisms!
I won't say 'manners' because ALL countries I have been to, do things differently and have had different evolutions. So saying people from other countries 'bad mannered' is simple ignorance!
I never got used to the guys hacking up the whole contents of their nose and throat - for about 10 seconds! - and then spitting it onto the Shanghai street or pavement!
Or the ladies going to the supermarket in the morning with their pyjamas still on! This was 15 years ago so wasn't the 'trend' that some western 'ladies' have now adopted, albeit with designer jim-jams rather than what they had just been sleeping and sweating in!
People used to tell me that it was the 'migrant classes' from the countryside that brought these habits to the city. But these people could not afford to, or get a passport for, go abroad to propagate these mannerisms!
You forgot letting their children go to the toilet on the street.
When the Vietnamese refugees 1st came out to Australia in the late 70s, we'd see them go out in what we'd call pyjamas. Apparently it was their normal everyday clothing, what they wore back home. We thought them so funny. Nowadays, I go out and see the local girls going out in their underwear & nothing else. I think this is not appropriate in a shopping centre and in public places. I don't understand how they can feel so bold to go out like that. I think it's not on. They are shameless and should consider they make others feel uncomfortable. It's not a good look. They should respect themselves but they wouldn't know about that. They're not at the beach so should dress accordingly. They get berated while on holiday overseas like in Bali for going to the shops in their skimpy bikinis. I think they have no manners at all and should respect people everywhere, even at home. You never see any male showing all in public. Never! You know why? Because they are smart enough to keep what they have covered up. They won't put themselves on display in public like those silliest young women.
yo do people going out in their pyjamas hurt you?
I think in H.K. there is a big difference between those that grew up there and those from the mainland. The bus lines in H.K., the lines would go around corners but there will only be one or two that would cut the line... I think I have only seen cutting done once. Also in H.K. if you are caught spitting or littering, like if you throw a wrapper and it does not go in the trash bin... you get punished with a fine, 2k or 4k HK$.
Here in my country, the local Chinese (2nd generation born here) are so different from those coming from the mainland that the local Chinese community hates a lot of them.
I speak and read Mandarin, Japanese, and Vietnamese. It's hilarious when a 6 foot tall bearded white guy bar tender starts speaking to them in their own language. Especially when they pull the i don't speak English card after speaking it just fine befor a pointed out your bad behaviour.
I’m not from China, and I haven’t had close interactions with Chinese people, but I come from a crowded and densely populated city. While we were polite, we didn’t have the luxury of embellishing our words or expressing things in an overly nice way with a smile. Our communication was brief, but no one was offended by it-life simply moved at a very fast pace, and people weren’t expected to talk or listen too much. I’ve made an effort to learn how to pause and adjust my language. For instance, asking people how they’re doing before starting a conversation is something I now see as meaningful. Since moving to Australia, we have been adapting to the new cultural expressions of kindness.
Out of curiosity, where do you come from?
Spitting in public was very common in Australia. There were even spitoons on the streets for this. Then tuberculosis came along and for hygiene reasons this behaviour was reversed and became "disgusting" and now illegal in some Australian states.
There are gestures and messages in these cultural behaviors. Talking loud to people in many places of China are considered to be hospitable and welcoming. Criticising your weight and habits in life are signs of care and concern of Chinese parents. Though communication is two-way, unfortunately Chinese people are not well known for their communication skills or its efficiency. Take them with an open mind and they will return with an open heart.
Also, interesting fact: some Chinese dialects sound very loud and rough. So ppl raised and grew up in a place where a certain dialect is spoken, they tend to capture and carry those traits in the language they spoke. That's why when you think two men are quarrelling so intensely that they might just start a fight in a split-second, but they are actually saying very nice words complimenting each other. You can't really ignore these nuances when you talk about culture shock.
Drives my wife crazy, must have shower just before going to bed and first thing in the morning, mainly to wake myself up and feel fresh to start the day.
I'm of Indian decent and these sort of behaviour is common between Indian and Chinese. Chinese tourist get worse rep than Indian tourist because the top 5-10% of Indians can afford foreign travel while top 20-25% of Chinese can afford foreign travel. Lot more rural, rustic Chinese come to countries like Australia than Indians. I think in 10-15 years Indian tourist may replace Chinese tourists in bad rep. In my fathers time, Japanese tourist had bad rep.
Competitiveness is ingrain to Chinese and Indian culture because we had less facility compared to huge population for a long time. That explains why that Chinese rushed to occupy the bench rudely. Indians do this as well. However in Australia this behaviour is seen more among Chinese than Indians because of the beforementioned reason. Now China and India, especially China have the facilities catching up to population, but the people's psyche is still having the competitive momentum.
Body shaming is common among Indians too - especially among grandmothers and people of older generation. Trust me, it is done from a place of love and desire for the person at receiving end to be better. It's not a diplomatic way with filters on - it is what it is.
We grow jackfruit and when we refused a Indian who asked us to sell her a jackfruit then but leave it on the tree until it grew larger. She was very rude and left but returned again in two weeks to buy the very same fruit It had grown huge. This time we peed HER off
Interesting take. I think there’s something to be said also for Indian people sharing democratic values and the Hindu religion being innately pluralistic. I think Indian men sometimes have a hard time treating women with respect. But otherwise would love to have an Indian family move into the neighbourhood. .
I’m sorry but both races are rude and selfish. I haven’t met one so far that is not rude!
@PeterTravis-p3c Hindu religion is pluralistic, but the Hindu religion is going through a politics induced transformation similar to what happened with Islam in the '60s and '70s. Indian men, especially from conservative regions in the North and Central India, have low respect for women, but usually, urban areas don't have that problem.
@@Subh8081 Not just low respect, rapes are being ignored
i was a butcher , id get bloody n fatty after 12 hour days , so id shower when i got home , but id shower in the morning too , cos a butcher knows hygiene , so i had to start work clean ,
Man, I can't imagine if you skipped the shower for the night. I always get jealous of my wife who goes the gym and gets home and is like "I don't stink, so no need to shower". I get up off the couch and I need a hose down...
sry but 😂😂…
Ditto as an ex baker. The smell of yeast and other stuff you work with every day gets into your skin and absolute stinks. I stopped eating bread as the smell of yeast felt like it was constantly coming out of my skin after 2 showers a day.
I am an Australian living in China for 8 years. Chinese people are polite and friendly, but they lack social skills. They have the mindset of Everyman for themselves. If you don’t matter to them then they will just look past you. Using elevators here really does my head in… instead of letting the people out first they just walk in. Same as the metro! No curtesy unless you mean something to them. It boggles me… just let the people out first then walk in. Also the population numbers here adds to this. There is also an element of “Showing Face” show that you are of importance
Chinese elders are like people from the 1900s who have suddenly time-traveled to 2024. Many habits from a century ago may seem rude and impolite to modern people. Such occurrences will gradually disappear with generational change.
my grandparents were born in early 1900's and instilled manners and respect to me from an early age. I did the same to my children and my grandchildren. its more cultural than generational.
@@3tuirc3 Please forgive me for not tracing back far enough. Imagine yourself as someone from the 1800s, especially during the Wild West era-you’d find that speaking loudly, spitting on the ground, and showing hostility toward outsiders were all just natural parts of daily life in those small towns back there.
@@orinfaflik3482the wild West was a place and time. It's a very bad example of civilisation because it was not civilised and legitimate. In the European cities and Eastern American cities people were civilised in the 1800s. They even had a civil war in America. You really need to learn more about western history. The wild West were not in the United States, they were the territory that was the native people, and there were hardly any European women just men trying to mine and steal.
@@3tuirc3 yes but were your grandparents in China when it went through literally the most deadliest famine in human history (which happened in the 1960's)?
Here in the US Australia reminds me of Texas play courteous be kind and don't screw with us anyone breaking these rules will find out the hard way
Nah. It’s more like break the rules and you’ll cop a stand-up comedian level of dry, laser-guided derision. If that doesn’t work, we just move on. Life’s too short for drama.
Have you been to Australia?
@heatherfruin5050 spent two glorious weeks in Australia stopped at Perth and then went to Melbourne seen every site while working there and loved every minute of it Bundy drinks
Australia and New Zealand are the 'tightest' English speaking societies. Breaking rules doesn't go down very well. Believing the rules don't apply to you because you are too important goes down extremely badly. I certainly found the vibe in Austin TX a lot like here.
I used to visit an immersive show in China, which required the audience to be active with the actors. I remember there was a crowd surrounded by many people. One woman who stood in front of me suddenly reached her hand toward the people behind me, trying to drag her to the front, and ended up with 6 people, (including me, and these two women) tripping over. But one thing totally shocked me, after we fell down, they were laughing on the ground for a long time and did not realise it was a dangerous situation.
Native Australian English speaker here! When you busted out "castigated" at 12:08 I legitimately had to look up the definition. Proof that I am still learning English!!
The main reason behind these differences is the CCCP and what effect this political system creates in the society.
Yes, correct, as opposed to the thieving genocidal imperialist effect of the opposing society!
@amaknusa9212 yes of course, there are also implication of that in the society. No one is perfect
Yes, Chinas not known for theft or genocide at all (/sarcasm) 🙄
Honestly I think its just a symptom of mass society, seeing thousands of foreign faces a day tends to make people behave more anti-socially, since they’re now just another drop of water in a vast ocean so who cares what people think?
When we were travelling through Europe, any trains queues or locations where there were crowds, you could rely on the Chinese tourists to be completely self centred, and try to get on /in while people are trying to get out/off whatever it was, or when sitting in benches for demonstrations ect, they would sit in the best seat and block others, it was weird and frustrating also super rude
I live in Australia. Every time I will see black African men and Turkish men push in front of women to get on the bus. They too have no manners. It is not the done thing Herr. It makes them look so rude, bad!
Please remember guys, its mostly the mainlanders that exhibit this behaviour. Most likely those having gone through the cultural revolution under chairman Mao.
Please don't label all ethnic chinese as the same. People from HK, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia are far more civilised.
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Yes that is absolutely correct but not always the case. An aged care worker who came to look after my mother with dementia for 3 hrs one day a week had the most beautiful nature. As an only child from mainland China, at 22 years old she was trained in aged care in Australia and was studying to be a fully qualified nurse at the same time. Though her culture was different she was bright, friendly and genuinely happy listening to mum's stories of childhood that were remembered and repeated often. Yin had tremendous energy and a totally optimistic outlook on life. Mum wass very slim and spry and Yin took mum for very slow walks around the same neighbourhood block every time, to look at gardens and different styles of houses. This was the greatest of mum's great interests.
I couldn't do it due to my bad knees and mum tryimg to walk ahead of me, but I took her further in the car. Mum insisted though that walking was better. I could always hear mum laughing with Yin coming back, though they had nothing in common Yin made the jokes count.. When mum was in a hospital for a short stay, Yin who was doing a prac for studies there, saw her name on a patient list and came to say hello and chat to her. Yin often flew back to China to see her parents, who were happy for her to settle in Australia with greater prospects for their daughter. Especially since they knew she could fly to visit quite often. We only lost touch with Yin because mum became so ill I could not care for her at home with all of the complicated medications and not being able to cope with her sleepless night walking. Mum is at peace now and I am grateful for the energy, kindness and laughter that Yin brought her way.
Exactly! not all yellow skinned individuals are Chinese mainlanders
I would never lump ANY of those countries with China. HK and Taiwan are still doing their best to keep China off their country and culture. I was in HK 2019 August when they were protesting freedom from China.
@@AnnaLe-d4b You're ignoring the rest of the Chinese in HK who aren't obeying your wishes with their freedom.
Interesting topic.
I am an Australian, NZ citizen and I have just spent New Years eve with a Chinese family who are our best friends.
They are the most genuinely polite and friendly people I have known.
Our children are the same age and they are much better behaved than any of the Western friends my son has.
I lived in Indonesia for 14 years and they believe Australians are the worst behaved people that go there.
My experience there suggests they are correct.
90% of the time if there is a fight in a club or bar it involves an Australian.
Does that mean all Australians are louts?
Well I won't answer that one.
Yes it does and I'm Australian 😂
It's because the drunks fly to Bali to not give a damn.
Well, no, of course it doesn't, but many esp young, Australians travelling in Asia tend to display some of the worst traits you would normally associate with Australians, amongst them, extreme drunkenness and an absurd degree of patriotism, which sometimes merges somehow into racism. In my experience older Australians are much better ambassadors.
I think it relates somehow to being in very free environments and away from normal social pressures, but it's definitely an area that would be interesting to research 😊
@@larapalma3744True, in Indonesia we like Mainland Chinese tourists better than Australian now. It was true, that we had bad behaving Mainland Chinese tourists before, but in the recent years we have good behaving Mainlanders overwhelming the bad behavior ones.
Bogans go to Bali.
I am Singaporean, all my grandparents were born in China (my parents were born in Singapore), and lived in Australia for over 14 years. There is a bit of difference between Mainland Chinese and overseas Chinese, mainly because, imo, of the Cultural Revolution in China, which threw out all "traditional values". Therefore, you see less of this general disrespect in other East Asian cultures such as Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan and Korea (who all share a similar Confucian ethic). That said. most Asians have this elitist attitude where whoever has the best academic record and the most material wealth are "better" than anyone else, and therefore entitled to do whatever they want without regard to anyone else who is a "lesser" being. There is also this concept of "real" concern that involves being brutally honest to the ones you care most about, so that they develop themselves into better people. As a result, I spend my childhood being berated for not being top of the class, being "too fat", not dressing nicely etc, etc... Not all parents are like this, it really depends on how "face conscious" your own parents are.
The airline I work for used to be owned by mainly Chinese shareholders. When we started flying to Hong Kong, they created an online training module called "China ready"
This very long training module was aimed at cultural awareness. They explained how the Chinese aren't "rude" when they talk loud, but it us due to being a crowded country.
I felt the whole module was to change the mindset of us Aussie crew. Like all was normal 🤷♀️
I also think the rudeness threshold of Australians is very low. I observe this a lot at work. Having flown for 2 big Middle Eastern airlines, my rudeness threshold is quite high. I don't get offended easily. But I can see my Aussie colleagues get upset by rudeness much easier than me.
We are all so different in this world.
I think the low rudeness threshold of many Australians is because most of the original white Australian settlers were migrants from the UK, as my grandparents were. Over there, concepts of politeness and good manners are even more stringent than they are here. We've been brought up in that sort of culture. Personally, I think it just makes life more pleasant for everyone if people use polite speech and behaviour as much as possible.
@@jillianparry1876exactly courtesy costs nothing. Mind you, if anyone.... regardless of origin is rude, I have no problem letting them know🤨😡
As someone who lived in Hong Kong for 10 years, it was interesting to see how much Hong Kongers were disgusted with the manners of mainland Chinese. It may be something that makes the growing integration of Hong Kong into China problematic.
At boarding school we showed in the morning and again before dinner. Morning showers wake u up
Cultural differences can be humorous as well.
There's a Chinese woman who runs the local pharmacy here, and has done for as long as I can remember. She's a very small, very loud, happy lady, who still has the thickest of accents. We always joke about her bluntness, however, as her voice is so loud, she is more of less declaring to everyone in the pharmacy what your malady is. "Oh, so and so, how are you?! Did that cream work? You keep using it, to fix that itch, twice a day, la?"
I've certainly overhead some funny things while waiting for my script.
I'd say most of her comments seen exaggerated for eye catching. Cultural difference is there, some of the behaviours are not considered rude in China, they do it not because they want to be rude, but because they don't know it's considered rude in Australia.
Then learn about the culture before coming to another country or is that not what should happen? What excuse is there for that?
My family used to celebrate New Years Day at a large park in Melbourne that had several large shelters that could be booked in advance; one year, we had all our stuff set up on the tables in the shelter while we played games nearby; a Chinese family walked up and pushed our stuff aside, ignoring the large reserved signage and were quite hostile when asked to move on, saying that we had no right to stop them using the shelter..
No one on earth can beat the Bintang singlet wearing Aussie bogan in Bali.
Hahaha... Oh man, there's a lot to unpack there. Hard agree though
True, but that's a very specific group in a very specific place, not an entire population all over the world.
@@kentaylor2416 Is a specific place because that's the only cultural exchange most Aussies can handle, abusing 3rd world counties with $1 beers
Hello, I’m a Korean living in Perth. This issue has actually been a topic of debate in Korea for a long time and remains controversial even today. Neighboring countries of China also face similar discussions, and I believe this is not a matter of cultural differences between East and West. In fact, I don’t think it can be justified as a cultural difference at all. I cautiously believe it simply comes down to their attitude.
Koreans are also known to be notoriously rude in Japan. Y'all just need to put down your biases and chill.
Read "The WEIRDest People in the World: How the West Became Psychologically Peculiar and Particularly Prosperous".
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In Summary:
The transformation from a kinship- and community-based mindset to a more individualistic and institution-based mindset played a pivotal role in the rise of Western societies. These cultural shifts created the psychological and social conditions for the development of democracy, capitalism, and global influence. Henrich’s work shows that these differences are not inherent but are products of historical and cultural evolution.
Amazing suggestion. I'll see if I can find it at the local book store. Thanks Jay.
I'm an Australian and I think you're commentary on this topic has been respectful and light hearted, I like your comparison to our culture and how there are similarities in different parts for example our young spit to show they're rebellious but, we expect our older to get over that rebelliousness. Where the older Chinese are the ones who spit, likely for the same reasons. Interesting perspective. Good work
I think the Chinese lady is simultaneously pointing out two different things. One is that Chinese people behaving in ways that can be perceived as rude and disrespectful by other people, and the other is they refuse to acknowledge and be reflective about that. The first thing could be innocent ignorance but the second can’t be. It always takes a lot of courage and hard work to change. And I do appreciate your empathetic approach while thinking about your unpleasant experience! Thanks for the great video!❤
Yeah, I think you nailed it. And I don't think that's unique to Chinese people at all. Aussies (myself included) and probably every other culture often have blinkers on when it comes to what their behaviour is like and how it's perceived by other people. For instance, wearing shoes inside in Australia is quite common, but if you did that in Japan I think they'd be horrified and offended.
@@AussieEnglishPodcast basic rule in my opinion is to adjust to the culture of the country you are in. As in "When in Rome, behave like Romans" or something like that :).
I was born in the 60s and homophobic slurs were the norm in my childhood and early adult life. Australia has definitely changed a lot since those times.
I still remember passengers rushing onto buses at the terminal station to occupy seats for themselves and families. Mum and dad boarded me through a window so that I got seated. It was too populated and everything was in shortage. I genuinely didn't appreciate those behaviours. However after growing up in such culture I would always naturally be panic of losing position in chasing all kinds of chances. Even if it's just a parking spot.
Yeah, I guess that's the thing we take for granted growing up and living in Australia. The availability of resources and not having to compete as much for them.
There is a mindset of scarcity amongst many of the PRCs. The Great Leap forward probably left some genetic survival imprint with millions dying from the terrible famine. Imagine coming from a near vacuum of food + income into a better environment economically and materially. This translates to behaviors like queuing early, cutting queues ,rushing for the most expensive item during buffets & grabbing more than they can eat. The PRCs who lived in older Chinese cities have overcrowded living conditions, as such people talk loudly so they can be heard. There is also a cultural phenomenon of drinking hot water because they used to come from poor sanitary conditions. Historically Chinese culture uses examinations to gain access to become officials. For thousands of years it has been the social hierarchy of Emperor >royalty>officials> peasants. Its social mobility Chinese style.
Who cares what you think mate.... I love Australia and I'll fly the Aussie flag when are where I want to
No one is stopping you flying the flag mate. That's your right, and no one can stop ya. Some of us feel abit cringey seeing those who like to display their flags and make it their personality, due to the fact that obtrusive flag displays have been co-opted by the Far-Right and racist groups all around the world. That's our right to feel that way, and no one can stop us from feeling so. Your statement certainly didn't do the job.
@star42 I'm far right.... Doesn't mean I'm racist
@@flikitova1399 Don't whinge to us mate. Talk to your fellow Far-right folks who's giving you a bad name.
@@star42it depends on your perspective! I'm proud to be Australian & will not let any wokeness stop me from expressing patriotism.
There’s lots of people who wave their flags in large groups in Australia & most of them hold protests regularly. Are they also far-right? Genuine question.
I rarely see large groupings of the Australian flag except on important occasions of course.
My Ms is Vietnamese, and one of the most wonderful caring people I’ve ever met. It’s very obvious though that Vietnamese have very different social rules. One that cracks me up is when you meet someone new it’s very normal to ask how much do you earn? Very normal almost to the point of being weird if you don’t ask it…
As an Australian I cringe when she asks but it’s just how she is and how she was brought up.
Less than $20 in todays money and got 1 week off/year for TET
as a chinese person who immigrated to australia when I was around 5, i fully agree. I've been back to china a few times the the behaviour from some people were just awful (not saying there aren't nice people, there still are lots)
I shower both at night (on work days) and in the morning (every day) one is to clean the other is mostly to free up my muscles, back and joints in the morning, due to chronic pain from working as a mechanic.
It is essentially a stupid question, manners are by nature contextual and locally bound.
Montaigne said hundred years ago that what is not in our custom seems barbaric.
An regular Australian guy would probably have bad manners in a lot of places here in Japan, but a Japanese person would have bad manners in talking loudly in a restaurant in France, and American kids would be told in France to not interrupt their parents when talking among adults, etc... it's not hierarchical it's just different.
I spent three years in Malaysia in the 1980's in the RAAF and majority of us were fascinated at the fanaticism of some (not all) the oriental people, but just about every American sailor was fanatical about the USA and their flag. They were horrified that if someone burnt the flag, protect the flag at all costs! At the time Australia was considering if we were going to change to the flag design so it was no a big issue for us and we relied 'get another flag, it could be a design change tomorrow, it is only a cloth'. Although we came from across Australia, the general opinion was the same, yes it is our flag, but it is only a flag. Ps different in ceremonial parades etc.
“Scarcity Mindset” as pointed out in a comment here explains it beautifully. Anyone thinking Australian culture intrinsically superior should watch videos of Aussies fighting over toilet paper at Coles and Woolies during Covid. I’m grateful to the British Empire for stealing these beautiful lands of plenty for us to mine / farm the heck out of them and live a prosperous Australian Dream. 🙏🇦🇺
I don't know where you live, but I live close to the Sydney CBD, and I have never seen an Aussie spit in public, nor jump the queue - they'd never get away with that, nor be jingoistic - flag-waving happens at sporting events and/or Australia Day.
I live in Geelong. I think it's mainly younger boys in their teens. I know I definitely did it as a kid and friends did too, but I grew out of it once I reached high school haha
@@AussieEnglishPodcast Ah, I've been a teacher for over 40 years. If, on a very rare occasion, a student did that at school once, they didn't do it twice lol.
@@Bellas1717 hahaha yeah... never wise to spit where teachers could see you. That's just asking for detention
@@AussieEnglishPodcast I never put any child on detention. As a deputy I often had to supervise it, but I personally didn't see any way it would change behviour in a lasting, positive way.
I talked to these guys about community responsibility and disease. I'm sure many would have preferred detention lol.
I interact with a lot of Chinese people in my role teaching English. I have always found Chinese people courteous, respectful and considerate!
I have been living in Australia since 2022 and I had some issues with some Chinese colleagues of work and some of them were rude to me only two colleagues are nice
As somebody who has lived as an expat in China, population is a small part of the cultural issue with Chinese tourtists being pushy. The main issue is socio-politcal, due to the way the goverment treats the general population. They are basically forced to fend for themselves which perpetuates the mindset that the individual only thinks of themselves, which means manners and consideration of others in a public setting in not as important as what it is to most of us Aussies.
This video was so interesting to watch to see the different perspectives and as someone in a wheelchair I have found it very frustrating. I went to the art gallery the other day and it was particularly busy because of the school holidays and it meant there were a lot of Chinese tourists and the number of people both kids and grown adults who literally walked over the legs of my wheelchair to push in front of me was insane! It has happened at shopping centres before too but never this many in one day and it is so frustrating and I feel like it has got worse since covid for some reason too. I fell like it’s almost like Aussies are getting so sick of the general lack of respect that they have started to give up on common courtesy and manners themselves which is so sad, but i guess people are just sick of losing out on things simply because they are being polite. It’s sad because Australia has always had a very kind and friendly culture where the majority of people were very accomodating to wheelchairs and would hold doors open and let you into the lift first but now fully able people are pushing in front of people in wheelchairs or with prams to beat them to the lift.
While i get that some of this behaviour is cultural, a lot of it is a blatant disregard for others
I think you're right that Australian culture is changing. People are being colder and more isolated. I hope things improve though :(
In NZ groups of Chinese people stand in doorways and walkways and have conversations while they hold everyone up.
I have a friend who just barges through them.
Australian pride is different from American and Chinese national pride, where they see themselves as the greatest and anything that threatens their supremacy is either nonsense to be ignored or an existential threat to be destroyed. Australians see themselves to be more of the scrappy underdog. Our pride isn't dependent on being the strongest or best but by taking on the biggest and strongest kid on the block and even if we don't come out on top we give as good as we get. We also have a strong case of tall poppy syndrome and tend to dislike anyone who paints themselves as superior. We are the lucky country, and we are grateful to be here, especially when we look overseas, but any real pride is reserved for when we take on the "best," and we don't back down even when we probably should. Also sport. We love our sportsmen and women.
This Chinese rudeness is a direct result of communism. If you read classic Chinese philosophy (i.e. Confucius, the Dao de jing etc) you will find respect features very prominently and is very highly valued.
If you compare mainland Chinese culture to Chinese diaspora cultures or to other East Asian cultures which were once in the Chinese cultural sphere, but which weren't contaminated by communism (e.g. South Korea, Japan, and to some extent Hong Kong), you'll find they do highly value respect.
My Chinese/Singaporean and Chinese/Indonesian family members have quite a strong disconnect from my Mainland Chinese family members because of this.
It is a very complicated issue involving multiple reasons. Other than those mentioned in the comments, I think another possible explanation is that those who can afford to travel overseas are the people that are better-off and often feel entitled. And they are only a small proportion of the whole Chinese population. If you go to China to see for yourself, you will find that there are many people who are down-to-earth, very humble and kind-hearted.
When you work in the health industry, specially in aged care you are expose to saliva, blood to name a few. Therefore it is very necessary that you are clean (showered) when you start work and clean (shower/scrubbed) before you go to bed. It is a neccesity.
It most definitely is a necessity. It's great to wash away the stresses of the job but also to scrub up to begin the shift.
Regarding Chinese aunties/uncles, one theory is that growing up either during or in the aftermath of the Cultural Revolution scarred an entire generation emotionally (generally speaking), where turning on friends and family was commonplace, and you got nothing that you didn't fight for. Also, it was far better to attack than be attacked. This has persisted somewhat because of the example that generation set for their children, but a huge event like that leaves a lasting mark. In the U.S., the generation that grew up during the Great Depression and World War II were weird in another way (again, generally speaking) - hardy, taciturn, and obsessed with having enough food and essentials at hand. Thinking back upon my grandparents, it's mind-boggling.
Chinese Malaysian and Indonesians, I find to come across as rude. Although not all mean to be its just the way they do things differently than most westerners are custom to. Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, and other Asian nationalities are more respectful when they are greeting people.
We have a lot of descendant of indentured Chinese laborers in Indonesia and Malaysia brought by European. And they are known to be of poor manners and have problems integrating to the locals. They really embarrass us as Chinese. They should have stayed back in their village in China.
Yet, the likes of my family have been in South East Asia for centuries before the age of the Europeans, and we have no problem integrating with the locals while maintaining our strong Chinese identity even during political storms. If we have any disagreeable manners, we would not be accepted for so long, and even sheltered by the locals during the violent 1960s political upheavals. In fact, the reason that there is no Europeans left after South East Asian countries gained independence, was because the Europeans never actually dealt with the locals directly. We the Chinese dealt with the local and the Europeans as intermediaries. If we were not well behaved and honorable, how could we be tolerated by the two parties that could never see eye to eye to one another?
It's in the blood 😂
Their whole mindset is based on FOMO - fear of missing out, because in China, you really can miss out. It's especially prevalent in the lost generation (Chinese people born between 1966-1976, the Cultural revolution period). Learn the phrase qu ni de (chu ni da) 🤭 It works for me.
4:57 I'm gay in Australia and (besides the 2017 referendum) I feel very respected in here
I know Aussies and Kiwis love to hate each other, but listening to responses made me realise how much our cultures align.
I think you should have said "why, thank you" to the Chinese lady who puts her bags either side of you and start unzipping to see what goodies you could find. Hopefully some yummy home cooked Chinese food.
Re the shower timing. You mentioned about people in physically dirty jobs getting home and showering. I think it also matters how early you start work and how early you're prepared to get out of bed. It also depends on bathroom sharing schedules with others in your household. Maybe you're just a person that needs a shower to wake up.
“I don’t have tribal mindset” 😂
The lady said older Chinese in particular, think they are never wrong. I've noticed this is amplified by the CCP, anytime they have a confrontation with another country or they have done something that was frowned upon outside of their country, they are never wrong it's always someone else that caused the issue. As far as stature is concerned, I have seen and heard American's say that they have a large house, multiple vehicles, work hard and their kids are going to ivy league colleges etc., these "things" show they have done well for themselves.
Yeah I mean pretty much every country doesn't admit they are wrong. America certainly hasn't said them not cutting off war supplies to Israel is wrong so...eh?
I also teach English and Academic Skills at Griffith University and have experienced this arrogance from mainland Chinese firsthand. Particularly, in the past (before COVID-19) the most disrespectful were elites often associated with the CCP or with a parent in the PLA. However, now I have found nearly the opposite particularly since the students seem to be less politically associated (not that I am always asking) and a minority among other nationalities. The class environment is far more cooperative and harmonious now with a wider cultural mix. I will mention one particular student from the past I always remember called Alvin who also used to dominate other Chinese students in Mandarin and was extraordinarily arrogant. However, here is the kicker Alvin thought he was so cool in his ‘Boy’ gold shoes and t-shirts until a Saudi student in a discussion said ‘Boy’ was gay. The banter went around for a while when I stepped in and said look it up on the internet, but he continued. So, I had state “Look Alvin I grew up in the 1980s and Boy George is quite proudly gay”. Guess what next day no gold shoes. Months later a fellow student told me he had burned all his ‘Boy’ fashion gear on the BBQ. Incidentally, there was some conjecture as to he had cheated on an exam.
I'm Aussie, my dad's gf is Chinese and she's lovely.
I had a friend who is married to a Chines lady, he would say the same, but interestingly, she written off a neighbours parked car and speed off... not the most "lovely thing to do" but very typical of a secular understanding of "love"
@michaelirish1445 oh fair enough.
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As an Aussie, I have never known the Chinese people to be rude.. They are very industrious, work hard and are always Polish. We are lucky to have them here. The Chinese woman in this video is very aggressive…….so unlike any Chinese people I know.
As an Australian Chinese, thanks for your honesty, I have never heard that we were dirty, thieving, lying, evil stealing people as this channel set us out to be as well.
Had a girl help me get a Sim card on the first day I was in Shanghai, spent two hrs with me, had another lady call a taxi for us and paid for it because we asked directions, they were the nicest people clean and classy the place is spotless, can't wait to get back
White Australian here. I had a girl approach me on the street in Beijing asking for money, Id just arrived and didnt have any cash on me so said sorry, she replied by spitting a huge piece of flem into my face. My first day in China, great memory.
Enjoyed listening to your commentary. Appreciated your views. Please do more videos. Im a shower before bed type. Only in winter do I shower in the mornings! Had a few laughs especially about your example given regarding your seat! And just from a look between the other man and you, it got sorted. Hooray. What’s interesting is I know tourists love our friendliness yet struggle to be friendly back at times. Our underpinning values are mateship and being friendly and helping ppl/strangers out. That happened in my grandparents’ day and still happens today, praise God. ❤
they do cut lines, Sunnybank is triad central
I am Chinese, I did notice some olderly do not care about their manners. And they are self absorbed. As younger generation. People will care ppl around them.
Many cultures have similar problems. It is especially the problem with tourists believing that they can behave like at home or they think that they have money to spend so the locals must be happy that they came. I am Danish and I believe Danish tourists often behave like that. That is at least what I have heard.
I have travelled to a number of countries and how I behave I don't know but I do know that my travel has mainly been as a professional and one thing I learned very early by my co travellers or work mates as they also where was to speak English as people around you would then be able to understand what you where talking about. There could be a couple of people from the same country in the group and if they spoke their own language they where usually told to speak a language we all could understand.
I have now lived in Australia for many years, my wife is Thai and unfortunately her sister and my wife always speak Thai together. The result has been that my wife doesn't speak very good English. Now after many years I must admit that I have given up and I now also speak Danish to a Danish friend that I have. It is partly so that we still can remember Danish. I have been here 46 years and English is about to become my first language.
Wow, interesting. I can't imagine how long it'd take for me to have English become a second language. Probably not as long as you'd think assuming you stopped speaking it and spoke a different language every day.
@@AussieEnglishPodcast That is exactly what I did. I joined an international group about 50 years ago and my technical knowledge was more important than my language skills so I could only speak very basic English then. I learned on the job. In the early days I could not order a meal in a restaurant and know what I would get. Within a week from starting I was alone in Johannesburg South Africa on my first real trip outside Denmark. I have experienced a lot over the years I can tell you. Later I had to live in Venna Austria and work fly in fly out in the late 1070's Moscow. In 1078 I ran away and migrated to Australia. I got stuck here with a pretty good life. No more traveling. In the previous 3.5 years I had eaten on an average 1.5 times a day in a restaurant. You get tired of that.
@@leonhardtkristensen4093 wow... sounds like you've definitely had an interesting life, mate! Incredible! Lol and the 1.5x a day in restaurants recently is pretty intense but sounds good haha
Re kids being pushed to achieve...I have a relative who was a symphony orchestra member. He told me once that Chinese professional musicians/orchestras, are technically perfect in their playing, but its like they learn it "parrot fashion". There is no emotion in their playing, no interpretation, it's just all along one level. I've spoken to a couple of other orchestral players in completely different countries and they said much the same. Such talent but no feeling in it. Its very sad.
I think you may overestimate Aussie’s mannerism, particularly age between 18-23 lol
I think it’s not just about the Chinese. Every country has such characters. I have many very good Aussie friends and colleagues. However, I’ve had a few bad experiences with some born Aussies, and even my other good Aussie friends were upset about that.
Last week, I was in Melbourne, and I saw someone, probably a tourist, taking photos of his wife at Flinders Street. He was shouting at people to move out of his frame-it was so weird!
It’s really about individuals, not about the country.
There are good and bad people in every country-India, China, Australia, America, and every corner of the world.
I'm glad this video isn't just agreeing with the original vid and agreeing everything she says is uniquely Chinese behaviour, but instead it's you recognising that this stuff exists elsewhere in the world, including Australia.
Thanks for seeing that, mate. The whole point was to consider the differences and compare them without being judgemental or nasty about it. I just find this sort of stuff incredibly interesting. Cultural behaviour is quite often arbitrary and really dependent on environment and history more than anything else.
Unfortunately I got a Southern Cross tattoo in mid 2003, long before they became a widespread symbol of mindless bogans. It's now actually pretty embarrassing and I've thought about getting it removed
And precisely who gets to judge who & what is a "mindless bogan"??
I have a fairly broad experience of Anglo Australians in my forty year career....Some of those people have hearts of gold.
@@Wyz369Exactly so. I wonder if others are easily allowed to be grouped together in the same way? Somehow I think not smh
Truly the irony is astounding!
I think most of the opinions are way too off topic, the reason which can be summarised concisely (for 99% Chinese relating issues) is the social context for the recent decades in China: limited resources. Environmental/natural resources, educational, medical, career opportunities, etc. when you need to compete millions of people to get what you want, it looks more easier to understand those 'nonsense' behaviours/manners. Thinking of people living Australia, any kind of resources to be divided in 24 million rather than 1.4 billion, people are really in the mode of 'no worries. And this is the case of Chinese people in 2024, not 1994 which was worse absolutely, it is improving. It would make more sense to help people understand by making a comparison, thinking about the current India.
Thing is, the wealthy rude Chinese people who travel are not desperate and competing to live.
They have a sense of entertainment. ed 'entitlement'.... bloody predictive text.
@@kentaylor2416 as you already made the comments like 'wealthy rude XXX', which can be used in any circumstance, 'wealthy rude American', ' wealthy conservative 'red neck', etc. The comment above is to provide a way to understand how those bad behaviours were formed. for the word 'entitlement', all things on this land I believe is entitled by indigenous.
For me working as an Educator.... Asian students are the worst to try and get help when it is needed. Asian mindset is all about good grades, and not being themselves and finding happiness. When they get overworked during year 11 and 12 and need medical assistance for anxiety their parents often do not know what to do and want their kids with that label. Austism and learning difficulites are also another thing where sometimes parents area lost what to do. For their child to have this is highly embarassing and then dealing with the issue further is often detrimental for the child later. Last year I actually set some personal homework for a student. I asked her to find something that gives her joy and do it. That confused the living daylights out of her and her mother, then she did a few things like going for a walk and realising this is what I meant all along.
My biggest pet hate when I am down the street with an Asian person is when they light up a cigarette in front of me. There is literally a no smoking sign in front of them but I will light up anyway. If you try asking them politely to please smoke that away from you cause it makes you very sick they will ignore and continue to do it. For me it gives me a migraine everytime so I find this extremely rude as well as 9 times out of 10 illegal.
Please do not find my comments as racist! I am there for a lot of my students no matter the race, or culture. I sometimes just sit there and let my students vent cause they need to. We need to always remember that Australia is a multicultural nation. depending where you are and whose home you are in the culture of the people around you sets a lot of different ideas. I find not just Asian, Chinese are at fault. A lot of things our nation sees as ok.... in other countries is taboo or bonkers...not much we can do but pay attention to these issues and try not to get upset.
I have respect for Chinese and long history too! But what i saw my experience!!im not Australian and first time i see Chinese in Australia like i owe them something I haven’t see rude things like this from Australian people teh i see from Chinese Australian !
One example to share: there is only one tiny playground in my community which has around 800 families. The tiny playground is about 50m2 and has 2 swings, 1 seesaw, 1 tunnel and other small equipments. That's the main reason why my kid loves living in Sydney more than in China.