Narada, I honestly haven't heard much of your playing in 30 years or more, but you are responsible for what I believe to be the greatest drum sound, and playing on record on Eternity's Breath Pt 1. It changed my life. Unbelievable! Thank you.
Wonderful interview l am 75 yrs.old pro drummer since 67 so l grew up with your music ( still playing Santana covers with my present band) Miles, Trane & Hendrix are my holy trinity. It was great to hear the names of all the wonderful musicians mentioned in the interview l am fortunate to know almost all of them. I happen to play many styles from jazz,rock, afro-caribbean- brazilian etc. We have been so privileged to live in this lifetime. But music is just the sonic aspect of the Universe. I am also deeply thirsty about the nature and workings of the Universe so l love the books written by very smart people like Carl Sagan, Steve Hawking, Brian Greene , Albert Einstein , Charles Darwin, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens etc. And l am very grateful to them bacause they made it possible for me to look and feel REALITY AS IT IS .Leaving no place for any kind of god. Just me and the vastness of the Multiverse. And this makes me free and inmensely happy.
Yes, we are all divine. Happy to see you've recovered well Carlos. Funny, at 12 I was dancing to The Doors and Traffic. Thank you Narada. What a beautiful interview. I'll have to listen to your music now too..lol I saw Santana and BB King as a teenager. Its on the bucket list to attend another live Santana concert. Yes the world is supported by light workers. Ive been a vegetarian since I was 13. :)
This was mindblowing. I actually owe Carlos Santana a huge debt of gratitude because he sorted me out on what music is actually about when I was totally lost. I'm still lost, but a step closer to the truth now. But I have to mention Narada's silence and his amazing ability to let the interviewee speak, and allow *pauses*. It's a masterclass in making people feel seen, heard, and appreciated, which is desperately needed in more interviews these days. Thank you!!
I love both of you guys. this is a huge treat for me to see 2 Super Positive musicians together in the same room elevating eachother. Santana has a sound that absolutely no one else has and Narada did the same, he made a sound that no one will ever be able to replicate. Please everybody appreciate Genius when you see it because one day soon musical geniuses MIGHT be less and less common. We already see how uncommon musical geniuses are today!!
Wow, thank you NMW. The message that Carlos spoke, I really needed to hear. Also, thank you for all you’ve both given me, and the world…….given, and continue to give.
I happened to come across this today. I have to admit that I listened to very little of it. In the beginning Santana is saying positive things about chinmoy. That was surprising, because years ago when he left chinmoy he disparaged chinmoy. Also back in 2009 Jayanti Tamm wrote a pretty scathing book about chinmoy and the cult he created. I found that book very interesting. What is it now Carlos?
Narada's Garden of Love Light - First love.... so good. I hear in inspiration in Carlos playing style in songs like "Europa" the influence of very melodic horn players in Latin bands that preceded him.
Some people believe in what they achieve, others achieve in what they believe. Loved this interview. Narada listened when he should have listened and questioned when he should question.
I remember being really depressed once in the 90’s, I put on Milagro, a great Santana album and felt so lifted after, my despair had Vaporised, no joke. His music really has that power! And what a beautiful interview, not near enough views it deserves
Met Carlos one time out side MSG in NYC A benefit concert with Willie Colon and Eddie Palmieri to fight crack cocaine abuse by mothers giving birth to babies with positive toxicologies for cocaine. As a social worker I appreaciated Carlos supporting the fight against drugs. Really beautiful ….
Every musician/human being, etc, can relate to what Carlos was saying about playing in the state of consciousness where you've lost yourself, or "drooling", etc. An outer-body experience!! That's what we all live for. Even if it only happens once in a lifetime. Or even the pursuit of that state of grace, is alone worth it!!
I'm proud to say that Carlos is one of my Heroes, he's gifted with God's love, light and wisdom as well as his supreme talent as a musician. This guy is the real deal, his heart and mind are so enlightened with love and light. He's a treasure here on earth. Thank you Narada for a great interview, you asked some great questions and are a supremely kind and loving host. Blessings to you both.
Narada, this was just the absolute BEST! Thank you so much for this whole series! I caught the Billy Cobham one by accident. Then looked forward to Mahavishnu's where you encouuraged him to speak way more about his spiritual influences and advice than ever before! And this one with Carlos has been the Be All and End All interview so far! Truly open to the powers above - as Carlos always is - but you even brought out even MORE than he usually speaks of and that was beautiful! Thank you Narada, just like Johnji & Carlos, you are a beacon of joy and talent and Light shining so strongly for all with eyes open to see! Thank you! When I was a kid and I first heard you influencing the tunes of Mahavishnu Orchestra with your presence and skills and composition you brought a beacon of Light - it was like you opened another door that let in even more joy & Light than even John had done so far! Now you bring that light - throwing open the door to let us all see the light - to the world in a different way via yourself and these interviews
Very interesting conversation! Carlos's pursuit of passion is inspiring. I'm glad to hear him mention Sun Ra. One of my main musical inspirations. And his true understanding of spirituality beyond the fear and dogma of organized religion which keeps so many in chains.
I remember being backstage during Santana’s tour with JMcl to promote the “Love Devotion Surrender” record (1973?). it seemed that Santana had just gotten into the concept of “prayer,” and he was proselyting to a guy about the joys of prayer for getting stuff. I remember like it was yesterday, Carlos saying “Oh man, with prayer you can get ANYTHING!! You want a candy bar, you pray for a candy bar, and you GET ONE!!!”
A great interview centering on (1) the unending quest for inspiration necessary for all artists (2) the emphasis on the child in all of us as the source of creativity (Sri Chinmoy) and musicians at all levels must do to penetrate the brick walls of varying sorts which confront all of us at all levels by suppressing the ego in pursuit of higher values. Thank you!
I have seen Santana at least 10 or 12 times, every time in the El Paso, TX area. He probably won't come this way any time soon so that will give me an excuse to visit Vegas next year!
Thank you Narada. Such inspiration and fine insights. Got my family - even the ones who don't know Santana - listening to this for talking points. Incidentally, also been revisiting the Doors a lot this year.
I can say it like this. "Because of Bob Marley, myself and other musicians, we brought the Berlín wall down. Ronald Reagan took the credit, but we're the ones that did it".
Jimi Hendrix 🎸🎶 went Nuclear. To ignite yourself like that. To manifest the highest and deepest frequency. Creation John Coltrane SunRah Larry Young 🎹🎶 beautiful
when ive started playing guitar in 2020 after 7years not playing at all (due to ilness) a friend who hear me play for the first time said to me: hey, you remind me of Carlos Santana!!! you should look him up! i didnt know much of Carlos music aside 1 or 2 song but i decide to take a deep dive into it and also his philosophies and spirituality (i also have a thing for drummer haha) and iam still surprise how much of a similar mindset we share even though iam 32 from Canada and we both never met Thank you to both for this amazing podcast reminding me I'm on the right path!!! Blessing to You
I've said this a 100 times. Santana's opening guitar note on Narada's "The Awakening" track is from a higher place. No one hits a heavenly sustain better than Carlos. As always, a very humble interview.
I'm proud to say that I've been Veggie all my life and 95% Vegan for 13 years. Biodynamic, Organic vegetables are best, the option is GM and and they are not good for you. Thanks Santana and Narada, another wonderful interview.
This may be the best Carlos Santana interview I have seen. I am glad to see that you are both doing well. Take care of yourselves (diet and exercise).✌
The track "First Love" on Garden of Love Light is Carlos at his best! These two are the real deal. Ray Gomez is a total badass on that record too. Much love!
I love Carlos with all my heart but I still have so much difficulty understanding WTF he's saying. I guess watching his career for so long I forget he full blown Hippie and I respect that because he does it with style. I just know he is somebody we must continue remembering and teach our children, grandchildren & others. As the Maestro of Music he is completely a genius creating his own genre. Also him mentioning drummers & percussionist as his love of for music comes from. I myself played congas & bongos for a band many years ago and now I feel appreciated. 😎
Hear Carlos talks about Mr. BB. King from 46:19 on. And life during his show in Peoria, IL back in October [7] 2014 . Watch the tribute he paid him. AMAZING/GOOSEBUMPS ua-cam.com/video/xvzV8F0ngOo/v-deo.html
Did 'Los (yes he likes to be called Los) ever jam with Duane Allman or Dickie Bett? Or the Edward? I was surprised that he once acknowledged Yngwie Malmsteen.
Search for the sacred…it is all around you…the sacred is the music of God….😊❤ this is the eternal……reveal the sacred in you…..beauty….the way is to remove yourself…let Beauty and goodness be in you and come to others….. be God’s vessel…grace….”there is no fear in love”…only freedom to move with God….just make yourself available to His desire for you….your purpose….only yours…you are beautiful, Carlos…just be you…..that is your gift to the universe……that is also your blessing…..”in quietness and confidence is your strength..”. Let your music be timely, ….to be present..whenever you are, wherever you are…connecting with the life all around you…and let that life fly….God is the provider of all goodness and beauty….always give thanks…..let your joy be in that you are only a vessel, and always be willing to let Him play through you in truth….and love…”in quietness and confidence (in Christ) is your strength…”with God all things are possible…” Blues music is alright if it comes from God’s heart….that is true sadness and emotion…in Christ, we can share the heartbreaks that Christ has known…there are many colors and shades of melody and song…they are all true if they are true from your heart…from everlasting to everlasting…that is from God…share what you have….”freely you have been given, freely give…”…living out the mind and heart of God…it is all good…be faithful and true…..He ❤also gave you YOU, to share…
Yes pls. dear sisters and brothers : Lets send some love and light to brother Wladimir Putin, to warm up his heart and enlighten his spirit in order to return to peace and stop torturing so many innocent people in the Ukraine - right here, right now !✌
Those 2 would probably have a picture of Krsna for an interview if they had been Christ disciples ,,,hahahaha gotta luv ‘em . 😅 Like they forgot who they were with...the dust of your Master’s feet ....mfkr ! I love them as musicians .
Its hard to believe in todays world that this music actually happened. How did they reach such heights, is it still possible for example how did promise of a fisherman actually happen, how could apocalypse actually happen or visions...it seems inconceivable now
Narada, I honestly haven't heard much of your playing in 30 years or more, but you are responsible for what I believe to be the greatest drum sound, and playing on record on Eternity's Breath Pt 1. It changed my life. Unbelievable! Thank you.
you are key Narada in this time. Carlos is gold. thanks so much.
Tremendous, as they say,FOOD FOR THE SOUL. PRAISE GOD.
Wonderful interview l am 75 yrs.old pro drummer since 67 so l grew up with your music ( still playing Santana covers with my present band) Miles, Trane & Hendrix are my holy trinity. It was great to hear the names of all the wonderful musicians mentioned in the interview l am fortunate to know almost all of them. I happen to play many styles from jazz,rock, afro-caribbean- brazilian etc. We have been so privileged to live in this lifetime. But music is just the sonic aspect of the Universe. I am also deeply thirsty about the nature and workings of the Universe so l love the books written by very smart people like Carl Sagan, Steve Hawking, Brian Greene , Albert Einstein , Charles Darwin, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens etc. And l am very grateful to them bacause they made it possible for me to look and feel REALITY AS IT IS .Leaving no place for any kind of god. Just me and the vastness of the Multiverse. And this makes me free and inmensely happy.
Listening to you guys talk was the therapy I needed this week. God Bless.
Wellsaid Carlos. Thankyou for loving so many. Godsway Band.
A lovely conversation between two greats Carlos and Narada, melody and drums,truly inspiring right till the end👍
All time legends together. What more can be said.
Yes, we are all divine. Happy to see you've recovered well Carlos. Funny, at 12 I was dancing to The Doors and Traffic. Thank you Narada. What a beautiful interview. I'll have to listen to your music now too..lol I saw Santana and BB King as a teenager. Its on the bucket list to attend another live Santana concert. Yes the world is supported by light workers. Ive been a vegetarian since I was 13. :)
thank you both so much for letting us sit in on this interview!! many blessings ❤️ it’s on high rotation over here 💫 ✨
Absolutely lovely! God bless you Narada and Carlos! ❤
what a cosmic conversation my brother! wow! This made my day and I m so glad that we met and played together. Disciplin, devotion, dedication⭐
Mind Blowing interview ❤❤❤❤🙏🏽
This was mindblowing. I actually owe Carlos Santana a huge debt of gratitude because he sorted me out on what music is actually about when I was totally lost. I'm still lost, but a step closer to the truth now. But I have to mention Narada's silence and his amazing ability to let the interviewee speak, and allow *pauses*. It's a masterclass in making people feel seen, heard, and appreciated, which is desperately needed in more interviews these days. Thank you!!
Best interview with Carlos ever !!!
I love both of you guys. this is a huge treat for me to see 2 Super Positive musicians together in the same room elevating eachother. Santana has a sound that absolutely no one else has and Narada did the same, he made a sound that no one will ever be able to replicate. Please everybody appreciate Genius when you see it because one day soon musical geniuses MIGHT be less and less common. We already see how uncommon musical geniuses are today!!
Wow!!!! Awesome interview!!!!
Wow, thank you NMW. The message that Carlos spoke, I really needed to hear. Also, thank you for all you’ve both given me, and the world…….given, and continue to give.
These interviews are priceless! Legends FREELY explaining their inspirations, observations, interpretations & motivations..
Love You Carlos!!! Always You are beautiful
AWESOME!!!!
🥁🎸🥁🎸🥁🎸🥁🎸🥁🎸🥁
I happened to come across this today. I have to admit that I listened to very little of it. In the beginning Santana is saying positive things about chinmoy. That was surprising, because years ago when he left chinmoy he disparaged chinmoy. Also back in 2009 Jayanti Tamm wrote a pretty scathing book about chinmoy and the cult he created. I found that book very interesting. What is it now Carlos?
I listen closely and you've got me !! Great interview !!
Amazing interview. Two divine souls.
Narada's Garden of Love Light - First love.... so good. I hear in inspiration in Carlos playing style in songs like "Europa" the influence of very melodic horn players in Latin bands that preceded him.
Two all time greats!!!
Nice interview
Some people believe in what they achieve, others achieve in what they believe.
Loved this interview. Narada listened when he should have listened and questioned when he should question.
I remember being really depressed once in the 90’s, I put on Milagro, a great Santana album and felt so lifted after, my despair had Vaporised, no joke. His music really has that power! And what a beautiful interview, not near enough views it deserves
Brother Narada Walden 🥁🎶🙏👑❤️🙌🏾 I'm watching this Now.. I've always loved and admired you both so much. Since the Early 70's
Met Carlos one time out side MSG in NYC A benefit concert with Willie Colon and Eddie Palmieri to fight crack cocaine abuse by mothers giving birth to babies with positive toxicologies for cocaine. As a social worker I appreaciated Carlos supporting the fight against drugs. Really beautiful ….
Wow thx so much….. what an experience🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋
Every musician/human being, etc, can relate to what Carlos was saying about playing in the state of consciousness where you've lost yourself, or "drooling", etc. An outer-body experience!! That's what we all live for. Even if it only happens once in a lifetime. Or even the pursuit of that state of grace, is alone worth it!!
I'm proud to say that Carlos is one of my Heroes, he's gifted with God's love, light and wisdom as well as his supreme talent as a musician. This guy is the real deal, his heart and mind are so enlightened with love and light. He's a treasure here on earth. Thank you Narada for a great interview, you asked some great questions and are a supremely kind and loving host. Blessings to you both.
The drums keep the timing of the rhythm 🪘
Kinda like a heartbeat ❤️
Narada, this was just the absolute BEST! Thank you so much for this whole series! I caught the Billy Cobham one by accident. Then looked forward to Mahavishnu's where you encouuraged him to speak way more about his spiritual influences and advice than ever before! And this one with Carlos has been the Be All and End All interview so far! Truly open to the powers above - as Carlos always is - but you even brought out even MORE than he usually speaks of and that was beautiful!
Thank you Narada, just like Johnji & Carlos, you are a beacon of joy and talent and Light shining so strongly for all with eyes open to see! Thank you!
When I was a kid and I first heard you influencing the tunes of Mahavishnu Orchestra with your presence and skills and composition you brought a beacon of Light - it was like you opened another door that let in even more joy & Light than even John had done so far! Now you bring that light - throwing open the door to let us all see the light - to the world in a different way via yourself and these interviews
Reflection of my light, I gracefully give to all. Thank you Carlos !!
Very interesting conversation! Carlos's pursuit of passion is inspiring. I'm glad to hear him mention Sun Ra. One of my main musical inspirations. And his true understanding of spirituality beyond the fear and dogma of organized religion which keeps so many in chains.
I remember being backstage during Santana’s tour with JMcl to promote the “Love Devotion Surrender” record (1973?). it seemed that Santana had just gotten into the concept of “prayer,” and he was proselyting to a guy about the joys of prayer for getting stuff. I remember like it was yesterday, Carlos saying “Oh man, with prayer you can get ANYTHING!! You want a candy bar, you pray for a candy bar, and you GET ONE!!!”
I met him outdoors before the gig in Ann Arbor on that tour. We hugged!
A great interview centering on (1) the unending quest for inspiration necessary for all artists (2) the emphasis on the child in all of us as the source of creativity (Sri Chinmoy) and musicians at all levels must do to penetrate the brick walls of varying sorts which confront all of us at all levels by suppressing the ego in pursuit of higher values. Thank you!
Acceptance and Expand !!! I love that !! God bless you Carlos !
Kudos. Mr Majestic Rico
I have seen Santana at least 10 or 12 times, every time in the El Paso, TX area.
He probably won't come this way any time soon so that will give me an excuse to visit Vegas next year!
I love what Davidip 🎸 said that, Grateful for Grace 🎶 👑 mistro ❤️ Thank You Narada Walden 🥁 for sharing your journey with Us.
Thank you Narada. Such inspiration and fine insights. Got my family - even the ones who don't know Santana - listening to this for talking points. Incidentally, also been revisiting the Doors a lot this year.
I love all the body of work you did and still do. Narada rocks!!!
I love this interview ! Thank you Narada !
I can say it like this. "Because of Bob Marley, myself and other musicians, we brought the Berlín wall down.
Ronald Reagan took the credit, but we're the ones that did it".
I am blessed to hear this...thank you !
We are light souls who have aligned with the eternal life force. GOD IS GOOD 🙏👑🙌🏾❤️ ALL IN LIGHT WORKER. PERSUTE OF HAPPINESS..KNOCKOUT PUNCH 👊👑
Jimi Hendrix 🎸🎶 went Nuclear. To ignite yourself like that. To manifest the highest and deepest frequency. Creation John Coltrane SunRah Larry Young 🎹🎶 beautiful
What a Blessing
when ive started playing guitar in 2020 after 7years not playing at all (due to ilness)
a friend who hear me play for the first time said to me: hey, you remind me of Carlos Santana!!! you should look him up!
i didnt know much of Carlos music aside 1 or 2 song
but i decide to take a deep dive into it and also his philosophies and spirituality (i also have a thing for drummer haha)
and iam still surprise how much of a similar mindset we share even though iam 32 from Canada
and we both never met
Thank you to both for this amazing podcast reminding me I'm on the right path!!!
Blessing to You
I've said this a 100 times. Santana's opening guitar note on Narada's "The Awakening" track is from a higher place.
No one hits a heavenly sustain better than Carlos. As always, a very humble interview.
I love "The Awakening" ! Carlos' solo just soars !
I'm proud to say that I've been Veggie all my life and 95% Vegan for 13 years. Biodynamic, Organic vegetables are best, the option is GM and and they are not good for you. Thanks Santana and Narada, another wonderful interview.
Thank you.
So cool!
❤Mr. Santana...We realize you're among the greatest "Giants" of composers...Stay away from political affairs and Religion.
Beautiful.
I Love you
Blessings from France
This may be the best Carlos Santana interview I have seen. I am glad to see that you are both doing well. Take care of yourselves (diet and exercise).✌
You must “arouse that thirst” for sharing the love within you….let it be a flowing river with no obstacles…..❤
Realized I never heard his voice before. Wow lol
Great interview 🎁
Spiritual 🐾
The track "First Love" on Garden of Love Light is Carlos at his best! These two are the real deal. Ray Gomez is a total badass on that record too. Much love!
I love Carlos with all my heart but I still have so much difficulty understanding WTF he's saying. I guess watching his career for so long I forget he full blown Hippie and I respect that because he does it with style. I just know he is somebody we must continue remembering and teach our children, grandchildren & others. As the Maestro of Music he is completely a genius creating his own genre. Also him mentioning drummers & percussionist as his love of for music comes from. I myself played congas & bongos for a band many years ago and now I feel appreciated. 😎
TBH I don't think even he knows WTF he's saying.
I’m so glad I stumbled across this interview.
I’m sorry please forgive me thank you I love you
A Great enlightening interview, Thank You💯🎶
His music is the sound of spirituality 🙏
Satnaam Sri Waheguru Ji
Thank you a fantastic insight to two brilliant musicians
Sat Sri Akal 🙏🏽
Mandela TuTu.. Bob Marley 🎸🎶🙏 Continued Blessings Loved One's 👑 Our Music 🎤🎶
Grazie, Maestro
🙏🏾😊❤️
…contigo…❤
Fucki***** awesome, nuclear, wicked, witty, phhhhhhfantastic!! BRING IT ON HERO, bring it on CARLOS!
I'm Sure there's a Top 10 Outside this Planet. Art Blackey. Tony Williams 🥁🥁👑🙏
Acceptance and Expansion
Is it cold in the studio? Narada has a thick heavy leather jacket on and it looks like he has leather pants on too. Both have hats on. Are both cold?
Work that Bell! #RideCymbal
Hear Carlos talks about Mr. BB. King from 46:19 on. And life during his show in Peoria, IL back in October [7] 2014 . Watch the tribute he paid him. AMAZING/GOOSEBUMPS
ua-cam.com/video/xvzV8F0ngOo/v-deo.html
They “slow it down” to pure essence….they don’t need to pile up more….they just need to be true to the pure and simple….
too many gems 🙌🏾
✨🙏✨
I’ve been studying under you my entire life as a musician.
We're just beginning 🎶 Steve Ray Van Jimi Hendrix 🎸 God and I are One ❤️👑 Muliti Dementiinal Semantics...
Did 'Los (yes he likes to be called Los) ever jam with Duane Allman or Dickie Bett? Or the Edward? I was surprised that he once acknowledged Yngwie Malmsteen.
Put My Ego on a Leash 🙏👑 Get Over Yourself. I will not play the Victim card. Flamingo Blue's 💙
👿🔱😈.. who is the person in charge of wardrobe 😳... Santana's shoes are killing me.. and the house looks like a bouncer at a men's gay leather bar😂
1973 BIRDS OF FIRE at Detroits COBO arena, their per for hypnotized
Diseplent Devotion Dedecation 👑
Carlos Santana forgot to talk about Terry Kath
Search for the sacred…it is all around you…the sacred is the music of God….😊❤ this is the eternal……reveal the sacred in you…..beauty….the way is to remove yourself…let Beauty and goodness be in you and come to others….. be God’s vessel…grace….”there is no fear in love”…only freedom to move with God….just make yourself available to His desire for you….your purpose….only yours…you are beautiful, Carlos…just be you…..that is your gift to the universe……that is also your blessing…..”in quietness and confidence is your strength..”. Let your music be timely, ….to be present..whenever you are, wherever you are…connecting with the life all around you…and let that life fly….God is the provider of all goodness and beauty….always give thanks…..let your joy be in that you are only a vessel, and always be willing to let Him play through you in truth….and love…”in quietness and confidence (in Christ) is your strength…”with God all things are possible…” Blues music is alright if it comes from God’s heart….that is true sadness and emotion…in Christ, we can share the heartbreaks that Christ has known…there are many colors and shades of melody and song…they are all true if they are true from your heart…from everlasting to everlasting…that is from God…share what you have….”freely you have been given, freely give…”…living out the mind and heart of God…it is all good…be faithful and true…..He ❤also gave you YOU, to share…
Fear is sediment.
Narada Michael Walden Ah Ha Yes from my Mahavishnu days
Yes pls. dear sisters and brothers : Lets send some love and light to brother Wladimir Putin, to warm up his heart and enlighten his spirit in order to return to peace and stop torturing so many innocent people in the Ukraine - right here, right now !✌
The keys to the kingdom were given to St. Peter…
Carlos should stick to guitar lol 😆
His spiritual beliefs inspire his music. Without it you wouldn't have the music.
Drugs affect your subtle nerves and prevent you from going truly higher. Carlos should know that!
@Jayden you got that right ! Mr K lol
Man been thinking he’s God since Tower of Babel!
Those 2 would probably have a picture of Krsna for an interview if they had been Christ disciples ,,,hahahaha gotta luv ‘em . 😅 Like they forgot who they were with...the dust of your Master’s feet ....mfkr ! I love them as musicians .
Its hard to believe in todays world that this music actually happened. How did they reach such heights, is it still possible for example how did promise of a fisherman actually happen, how could apocalypse actually happen or visions...it seems inconceivable now