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The sound is bad for me is there any reason?
Its a software issue on certain phones, please try on a computer and it should be perfect :-)
@@IMPACTSHOOTING thanks Peter, love your work.
Same here no sound,
Your podcast's sound was fine. Don't know why videos sound is bad.
@@ockertnel9581 all the sound of match was good just when Peter was talking in the studio was off. Was this the same for you. And like you podcast was good for me.
Pluses for the 6Gt.1. Higher velocity, if you want it. It still feeds from a magazine better than the Dasher and BR. It can use a wider variety of powders, A larger range of bullet weights and shapes. It is arguably easier to tune than a 6.5/6X47, 6Br etc. including a 6/6,5 Creedmoor. And, it still allows you to track trace and stay in the scope for missed follow-ups. Oh, and now its available as factory assembled Match rounds with a new 109gr ELD from Hornady, and from Clay's Cartridge Company with Hornady brass and Berger 105gr Hybrid.. All that being said the Dasher and BR are awesome cartridges. Oh, almost forgot, the 6GT's longer neck improves bullet seating stability especially when stretching out seating depth closer to the lands. Nuf said
AMEN!!!! ALLLLLL THE ABOVE!!!!!! THX LARRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm surprised all these years later that the 6GT still isn't as popular as it's BR and Dasher counterparts. Sometime in the near future here I'll be getting a barrel chambered in 6GT and can hardly wait!
When I step up to high power silhouette, the 6gt is at the top of my short list.
I run a proof 6 gt comp contour on a defiance ruckus action! It shoots lights out! It’s extremely accurate! Watch the interview with George Gardner , they came up with it , out of warranty issues on his dasher builds.. One nice thing, is you can take all your burned out dasher barrel s and rechamber in 6gt!
Yep, I’ve been shooting a 6BR for over 10 years now and have no desire to change. If I want to use something bigger, I’ll grab the .260.
My reason for the go to of the GT comes into component versatility to run it… more powder selection to get the same performance and speeds as Dasher or BR. Now a days it harder to get your go to powder. I’ve ran Varget, H4350, N140, N150, H4895 and more
The magic recipe for 6br, dash, XC in the BR world was always Varget, not rocket science.
Thanks so much for all the time and effort you put into your videos. I have been shooting rimfire for some time but years ago did a lot of gunsmithing shot long range for sniper training and deployment. I suffered a significant spinal injury, rehab took some time but when I could I started shooting rimfire and enjoy that. my rifles and reloading equipment had been sold while I was recovering so I’ve got lots to buy and not much of a budget. Fortunately my lathe and tools remain and I’ve continued to build rifles for friends and people I had done work for prior to my injury.
I have had to give up hunting and some days just keeping up with things is a challenge to keep going but I find myself wanting to shoot longer distances again and have, of course built some of the light recoiling, flat shooting rifles for my customers. I have been looking at the sea of 6mm offerings and struggling with what to build. Not much money and lots to buy. I’ve got a good press and a few odd things from a friend but that’s about it.
What you said makes sense, the less I need to fiddle with forming brass, not shooting hot is great for me physically. They tell me I’ll continue to get less mobile and might not have a lot of time, but I hate giving up and shooting has been my sport since I was a boy and I’d really like to get out and enjoy the time I have. It’s hard to believe how much things have progressed.
I’m sorry for the long winded comment, I know you’re busy but any advice and assistance you could provide would be so appreciated!
The 6XC needs some love ;) I was thinking dasher or GT but brass cost is a factor. I could have gone 6 creed, but imo the XC tunes easier with the same powders, and $82 per 100 pieces of peterson brass from David Tubb is a game changer for me.
Great video, makes me want to chamber up a 6BR for comparison!
Do it! Ive chambered on up! 🎯
6BR is an AWESOME round. SOOOO easy to load for and so efficient with a relatively small powder charge. The 6BR is effortlessly accurate.
I absolutely love my 6GT now that my barrel has broken in!!! The 6br is a good cartridge too, my friend Ross shoots that. If I was going to do it again I would probley do the 6XC myself.
I love all cartridges and calibers.
They all have they place at the diner table.
I don't do prs but I shoot a 243 win rpr,and hunt with it.
I went with a custom barrel in 243win, for the simple fact it's the most popular 6mm cartridge in existence.
Getting factory ammo for the empty brass wouldn't be an issue, if my supply of Lapua & Hornady brass dried up.
I just made my mom a sweet little single shot 243 and I have to say, I have to agree. I am not looking to compete or anything, but I very much like the idea of 243 AI in a 26 inch, 1:7 twist barrel. I need to talk to my gunsmith to make sure I can set up the throat to work well with the Hornady 110 grain A-tip and Berger Elite Hunter 108 Grain and still be able to go down to some 70 grain factory loads or any factory loads in general. In my head at least, this is a sweet potential rifle set up.
To me the best benefit of the six GT is the many different powders you can use. When components get hard to find you can always find a powder that will work in the GT
agreed. br is best with varget, n135 or n140, and h4895. gt you can use RL 15/15.5, h4350, varget, n540/n555, and everything in between
I’m not a competition shooter. But used to shoot gophers out to 300 and a bit with my 6mm Remington in a model 700 varmint barrel.
With 105 gr speer spitzer bullets
I have recently put it a MDT chassis.
Updated to FFP 34 mil tube scope
And I am ringing steel out to 750.
Not saying that the Br or Dasher or GT are not great choices.
But the old 6mm Remington is still a very accurate cartridge.
Thanks for letting me ramble. Lol
Cheers
The 6mm Rem is a very large case for gophers. Burning all that powder heats up the barrel and will burn the throat. 6BR is a WAY better choice. You are shooting a case and bullet really meant for long range at pretty short range. There are much better options. A bullet like the 70gr Max or Ballistic Tip would be much better. I started out shooting gophers with a 243. The 6BR with a lighter varmint bullet would be a better choice..
The BR family will ALWAYS have feeding problems.
The 6mm GT sounds great but I shoot a 6mm HOT ( 6mm/6.5X47 ) and the accuracy is superb and easy to tune.
I’d definitely will go with a 6GT for my next barrel though.
I love all the 6 BR family of cartridges. They're nearly impossible to shoot badly haha. I had a similar ejection problem with my Sako TRG 22 in 6BR. What happened was the case got flung out by the ejection plunger just as it left the chamber, but before it made it back to the ejection port. Such a short case is allowed to almost turn sideways inside such a big, beefy action. Re-barrelling to a 6x47Lap and then an additional switch barrel in .260AI makes for a good all-rounder!
I had the same issue with a rem 700 action but a m16 extractor and lighter ejector spring took care of it $240 later
Technically, your rifle was actually having an extraction/ejection issue as a result of the scope mount interference, rather than a feeding issue. Also, both of these 6mm rounds are redundant; the 6mm BR has been winning competitions for years.
I just found your channel and I really like it. You put out some interesting pieces of info that I don’t see much elsewhere. Some of your opinions are slightly different than alot of the larger precision rifle channels but you always give a lot of logic behind those opinions. Thanks for making a great resource for newbs like me.
Welcome to the show!
Dankie Pieter.. Ek het gesukkel om te besluit, maar Jy het dit goed duidelik gemaak.. 6BR 👊🏻
Great video.. Bought a Seekins Hit Pro in 6.5 CM and a 6GT barrel.. should be here next week.. Looking forward to trying it out
6BR based rounds have Lapua brass as an added benefit.
Pete I don’t know how this video slipped by me till now . I really get why George invented the 6 GT . I have extraction issues with my BR and BRA and this is exactly why they came up with the 6 GT . I do love my BRA though and I have a 6 XC that covers the heavier bullets . I don’t think I will be re tooling soon .Thanks for all you do .Bruce
Just to add to my comment about the old 6mm Remington.
I know I can’t run the heavier high BC bullets. But it stabilizes the 90 and 100 gr bullets well
And have never had feed issues. And hitting steel at 750 with a 45 year old action and barrel is just Cool 😎
This video has just helped me decide. I was contemplating 6 creed or 6BR (currently running .308) for a new prs build. Thanks for confirming my thoughts 👍 6BR 👍👍👍
6br all the way as a benchrest guy
Lapua brass
30.32 gr varget
Cci450
105 hybrids @ 2880 fps
= sub 1/4 groups @100 yds with just about anyone behind the trigger
Have you had feeding issues running it fast on the clock?
The Gay Tiger round is more tolerant and has more inclusivity when it comes to mags (less modification), and the slightly longer case prevents over-tilting when loading into the chamber- even when cycling the bolt at gay tiger speeds. 🐯⚡💯
I 100% agree with the straight 6br. I have been shooting the 6br for many years and have no reason to change. I find chasing the latest and greatest only wastes time and money for me but I am not shooting high level competition either so there is that.
I have run a BR and a Dasher and my Dasher is much more accurate, especially out past 600 yards. We shoot out to 1200 yards in our competitions. You would have less case capacity and it may be more difficult to run the 109s in a BR as well.
Both rounds sound great to me. The lack of factory loaded ammo and also factory brass for the dasher would indefinitely push me over to the 6GT side though. I can do without factory ammo…maybe… but I don’t care for cartridges with no mass produced factory brass.
Just a note, Alpha does make excellent factory Dasher brass
The GT feeds better than dasher but as you say you can get specific mags or play with the feed lips to help
I'm using Peterson 6 Dasher brass in mine. Not having to fireform was a decider for me to go 6 Dasher.
Not many people seem to know that it is available.
Few weeks ago we shot our season finale. I run gas gun. (6 ARC) After we shot our last stage I wanted to check out some of the others guys' glass. As I'm doing so my friend says "Hey, few rounds in that mag if you want to try a bolt gun". No, I had not shot a open division bolt gun. He has a beautiful rifle chambered in 6GT. I thought sure, why not? Season is done I'll try it. To say I was impressed is a understatement. That open division rifle made 875 yards seem like childsplay. The recoil was light (But then again it is a 20+ lbs rifle), his glass is better than mine, easy to track, it was fantastic. All that said, after next season (2023) I plan on switching to open division but I'm going a totally different route, bolt gun in 6 ARC. I already know the limits of running a 105 and 109 berger with VV N150. (No, there's no load data for that.) With 105's on N150 I'm running at 2614 fps, sd 5 es 25. Slow? Yes. Consistent? Well, way better than factory ammo. Recoil is very light and out of my gasser 1/2 MOA is not a problem. So when I switch to bolt gun I'm sticking with ARC. Nobody makes a smooth action you say? Tuebor Precision in MI does. I'm not looking for screaming velocity. All any of us needs is consistency and accuracy. Is BR a bit faster? Yep. Not enough will be gained for me to spend the money to entirely change out dies etc to switch to anything else.
How much you end up spending a road to load that? Love that cartridge but factory ammo is tough to come by
@@jordanjeanette7672 haven't broke down the financial aspect of it. When looking to squeeze every bit of accuracy you can out of a rifle most will agree that cost is the last thing they really worry about.
Would love to see some game cooking videos 🙌🏻🤞🏻
Excellent video Pieter!
Great comparison Piet!
Love the based on reality view
I went 6GT and won my first match with it.....but i came from 6.5 creed. Go video !
Good article, Thanks!
I needed this video so bad! I'll have wait till I get to my laptop to hear it tho :,(
Good discussion and advice
thankyou for takibg yhe time. Canadian Shooter and enjiy uour videos.& blogs.
The audio for this video does not work at all for me, watching on my phone?
Hey Buddy, This sounds great on SMART PHONE formats, but on the laptop, NO AUDIO or WEAK AUDIO.... I am sure you already know there is an issue. just give you the status from the USA/Indiana state. I am sure it is something silly.
More of this please!
Shooting 6 Dasher at 2750 fps does not make much sense. If you want to shoot 109 Hybrids at 2750, you can go with 6BR. No fireforming, just load Lapua brass out of the box and shoot. Dasher was degined to handle 109-115gr bullets at 2900-3100 speed window.
I believe I say Ill just do a straight 6BR next time
@@IMPACTSHOOTING yes, you did:). I think you need more velocity than 6BR to tackle the wind at 500+ distances. you can run 30gr of Varget in 6BR at 2840-50 and that's pretty much it. You can go hotter with a compressed load, but then what's the point of not going dasher. It's difficult to accept advice from a girl, but believe me :). been there, done that.
6BR extremely logical. My friend Red Cornellison in... 60' shot the first Nats with a 2340... .223 blown to 40... it's 63 years later... and I own that piece of history... No disrespect to RC... KUDO'S to you for explaining what we all get lost in... like the 6ARC I am shooting winning numbers with.. a couple times.
Respectfully, Seth 10:48
I was thinking about the GT. My club is doing a 600 yard competition. Does it have a decent barrel life ? What about the 6x47?
I just retired and want to build a fun ACCURATE rifle. I don’t do matches. I live in alaska and have sitka blacktail deer here, also those HUGE brown bear. Anyway is the 6 dasher the bullet of choice for accuracy? Great video
Sako true short action is the reason for 6bbr 6ppc etc.,.
100 years ago the Swedish 6.5 x 55 mm was developed and I don't understand how these new calibers do anything better.
no difference if your a hunter,only for the guy trying to put 5 bullets in the same hole.
Gt all the way
Great informative video as usual. Thanks
Wonder what the case life is between the different cartridges?
6x47L best group .070" at 2970fps and under .2" all day long with "cheap" Hornady 105 BTHP. 😎
@IMPACT SHOOTING How did you solve that issue with the scope mount? I was considering using a one piece MDT scope mount with my 6 Dasher build.
Hi Mate- I had a question about the brass for the GT and Dasher. Very hard cases to come by here, and very expensive. Have you tried to resize 22-250 brass? Even if it needs fireforming we have plenty of 22-250 here... just not sure if it crush the case.... Got any 22-250 brass you can give it a go for me? Thanks bud. :D
What 6mm would u chamber for Hunting that can perform at least 3100fps with at least 105gr or more?.( high bc only)
243 Win.
@ExpatriotSilencers I totally forgot to add , the barely length..... Can it do it in a 18-20in barrel?
@@mryang3644 243 is a big case, burning a lot of powder. t can put up some big numbers.
What about a 6 BRA? I’ve read that fireforming loads can be just as accurate as already fireformed loads. Plus get the benefits of the 40° shoulder of the Dasher.
Great option!
Sounds like the same pitch Keith gave me when he built my 6BR!
Keith knows his stuff for sure!
@@IMPACTSHOOTING he does! If you ever come to Ohio, Keith will have to bring you to the Fin, probably a little different than gun shops in South Africa!
why not just go all out and go .243 AL i know it’s a bigger case but would be the best option
Why can't I hear your audio on your videos at all on the past couple
Same.
Have you shot 6 arc?
If people are going back to slower speeds, I wouldn't be surprised if people start going back to 6.5 creed. Out of a 26" barrel you can get 153.5s going 2700-2750 and have way better wind resistance than the 6mm bullets
Recoil. Most shooters switched from 6.5mm to 6mm because of less recoil alone. PRS style shooting is 50% about recoil mitigation. They are timed stages. Being able to see your hits and misses without the target leaving your reticle due to recoil is at least half the game. "Time on target". If you could "effectively" get a 180gr 7mm or 225gr 30cal projectile with a .650bc+ to shoot 2800fps with the recoil of a 6mm......you could knock out half the competition.
Some people are trying to "break the mold" by shooting a 7br or 7SAW and even 7saum but they all recoil to much to be quick and effective or cant push the high bc bullets fast enough. PRS is a .224-.257" game these days with most of the top 10 shooting 6mm. I think the .257" bullets MIGHT be the new sweet spot. You could also use those in the NRL hunter series.
Exactly my thoughts!
love your videos, I am looking at going from gas to bolt and building a PRS gun. Have you done any research on the 6ARC? I have been reading people are pulling the 6mm down to 2800-ish which is 6ARC territory. Thoughts?
Bolt face kills it.
@@joemass1023 in bolt gun?
@@DarthLepard Not many PRS quality actions make a grendel bolt
@@joemass1023 valid, I am looking at Kenny from DP Gunworks, some great reviews and guarantee on his rigs. I am just wondering IF someone built one, why wouldn't it hang with a GT or Dasher?
"Deadpool" haha
Would you're answer change at all on what you would use if you where going to use the same gun for hunting as competition.
A little late to the party, but would your answer change if 6dasher brass was available? I was going to go with a 6 br until alpha had 6 dasher brass in stock. I figured I can run low velocities if I want, I can run high velocities if I want. Barrel life should be very similar to straight 6 br but just more flexible.
Completely agree!
6Dasher can fit in an AR15 mag , bc its max oal shorter than 2.26 which prob will solve the problem. but that's another solution for looking for problems LOL
Klank is weer stukkend piet. Jou videos het altyd 100 gewerk. Iets met jou exporting te doen op laaste 2 videos
Ja piet, die distortion is terug. En ek het nie n rekenaar nie. Maar dit is beter op Ander tuie.😕
Muted sound on my computer, a few seconds of sound at 5min mark for a few shots then back to mute even at full volume.
Volume is screwed up BAD
Ek hoor jou van die voordele vir stadiger skiet. Die probleem kom in vir my by onbekende afstande in veldskiete. Die trajek is nie 'forgiving' as jy bietjie uit is met jou afstand skatting nie. Daar heers die vinniger 6mm soos XC nogsteeds.
Ons skiet nie onbekend afstande in NRL nie, vir veldskiet stem ek 100% saam, speed is alles!
6mm ARC ????
pretty sure you mentioned this on a different video but..... where are all the BAT builds?
I’m running the 109 Bergers out of my 6br @ 2778. Am I trying to push the 109 too fast?
6gt with 105's 33 gn of varget and 2,945 fps very little recoil , can't beat that . and the sound is perfect , don't know why you guys can't hear.
The audio isn't working for some reason
This was great . I thought 6 Dasher sounded great. Well, dang.
6 GT!!! All the way a lot more powders work fixing have factory ammo and u can use same mags. U want slow u going get slow 6Br especially u planning shoot 109 and higher.
A bit off topic, but could you please tell me where you got the Vortex clock or how I could get one? I’ve searched and can’t seem to find them. Thanks!
Howdy Daniel, they are sent to dealers. We are a dealer too 🎯
@@IMPACTSHOOTING , thank you. I guess I need to find a dealer who is willing to part with one. For a fee of course. 🤙🏼
Audio is still not working on this video.☹️☹️
what watch are you wearing?
I feel like I’ve been in a coma for 5 years… when did these rounds come out
Pete what's your thoughts on 223ai vs 223rem match or wylde?
I shoot straight 223rem
Is the 6GT as accurate as the 6 Dasher? What about expected barrel life of the 6GT?
I have over 3200 round down the tube on my 6GT and I think it's finally done. Impressive lifespan. Will do some seating depths testing today to confirm.
Wait wait wait wait are you saying you can fire for your brass during a competition like you can show up with brass that has not been fire formed..... No that can't be what you were talking about cuz you said that you were loading them light for...... Never mind never mind stupid question but I'm still going to leave it up cuz it's already typed and comments help so.... I just misunderstood something you said for a split second there
No sound on video
What's up with the sound..?
Cant hear anything .. what's going on
What about 6BRA ?
Hi, you're last few videos has basically no sound.
Wat dink jy van 6xc
What's up with the sound again.....
Wow…
Not a creedmore?😂
How do they or the BR compare to the .243? Been shooting that since mid 90’s and see no reason to convert my entire system for shooting and reloading to a new brass
There's absolutely no reason for you to switch in my opinion if you're in the states and reload often for your 243 already, These 6's are cool little rounds though
Same here,
Purely competition ok but if your hunting aswell you go for speed
No audio
No sound
try turning off your surround sound on TV
6gt since I can run it in a gas gun without issue when I'm shooting with the gas gun crowd.
Waar in SA kan mens 109 bergers koop
This was not helpful! Damn it I am stuck in a loop of what I want to rechamber a rifle in...
How close were you to saying what you really wanted to say at 1:30 ha ha ha