I have so many thoughts, too. (spoiler warning?) So apparently, is the "loom of fate" thing sth like a stand-alone-operating-system that works independently from Irminsul, which is a (complete) "loom of fate" installed in Teyvat? Thinking back, it seems like multiple factions have been trying to make their own "loom of fate" to break out from the heavenly principles rules. Makoto with the Sakura tree, Deshret with his Golden Slumber thing, King Remus with the Sinfonia (or Phobos?), René de Petrichor with his Narzissenkreuz-Ordo, which all failed? Maybe the Fatui are trying the same thing now, building their own "loom of fate" using the gnosees. But since it's said in the quest, that the loom can't "replace or extend" existing ley lines, it might answer why Dottore wanted to burn down Irminsul in Collei's dream during the Lazzo trailer.
Here is a really good theory I read as to the sibling's behavior: "I found it incredibly interesting how the Sibling's behaviour changed under the circumstances. Back when we reunited with them, they were cold and just told you to continue your journey. But here they opened up big time, talking hugs, missing you and stuff - all because they knew that you'd forget everything said. Makes it seem like they're just playing a role that they shouldn't break, not unlike Furina."
That's a good point, and I also think that every archon quest brings in a piece of foreshadowing of what is gonna happen in the end, about the truth of the world and about the abyss sibling's behavior, so that fits
In case anyone is curious Farewell, Atossa I apologize to making you know me unwillingly still I dont wish you to forget me They are obviously in love with each other.
So, if you check the description of Travail, you’ll see that the final scene after Khaenri’ah is actually titled The Sea of Flowers at the End. As for that person’s Irminsul file linking analogy, there’s a major flaw in that Irminsul will invent a file to replace it if it is missing, so it’s not quite the same as what a video editor would do if a linked video file was missing.
atossa would have the most husband of all time if that was not the situation of caribert... sigh think if it was different and these two meet somewhere and just connects
This Archon quest gives so much information in such a very short time and that's imprissive to be honest. Now that we know how Khanriah fell from the cataclysm and who caused it which is surreal thing to experience, were Dainslief's brother (the chained crystal), Surtalogi, Gold, and the other two sinners; additionally, we now know that the Heavenly principles is still on standby despite of the Hydro archon, Focalor broke the rules which makes me wonder. Will the Unknown God only be awaken if both of the siblings united or is it something else which is a bit concerning.
my theory is the heavenly principle will be awaken once the sinners surface back to Teyvat. because they have the abyss power within them (and i'm having this feeling that this abyss power is also the forbidden knowledge).
Nah. Cause us not being able to remember actually pissed me off so bad. The picture at the end just BARELY saved the quest for me. But, amazing story telling of course. I enjoy these Dain quests.
I mean the sea of flowers that the abyss twin said is a big spoiler for the main character. It is not a coincidence That's why he told her all the stuff because he knows Lumine wouldn't remember I think their real identities tie to Teyvat
Being a bit dramatic here aren't we lol. Only reason we even got the conversation between the twins is because the sibling knew they would forget about it
I cried 🥺 and the ost during the cutscene is so emotional. I need hoyo to release the ost please. This is why we can't have nice things... cuz hoyo will kill the characters and make us cry😭
man caribert did most of the emotional damage , his story and how he faded peacefully also taking a photo for the siblings asking them to get along , Ugh 😣.
I jumped when I saw the "Traveller using 2 different names" theory got confirmed. At first it was just speculation based on how Lumine called him in the "We Will be Reunited" quest, nobody in the game ever talked about it either so it's kinda weird. Like, why would he use 2 different names?, what is he hiding? (Yes I'm using Aether). But that aside, I'm SO glad that we finally have this type of story quest, FINALLY, something that can make me feel something about the Traveller as a character, FINALLY we get to see him expresses what he think and feel instead of getting overshadowed by Paimon yapping every 5 second. Them simply talking hit pretty hard because when they sit around like that it finally occurred to me how long he's been doing this and how we as a player saw him wandering around Teyvat to look for his sister, and now it's finally happening. But then it got taken away again, which makes it hurt even more. 😂 I can already see it, the ending of this game will play our heartstrings like a damn fiddle, and I'm all here for it.
Is it actually confirmed, I wonder? Because in JP the Abyss Twin calls them "brother/sister" (which does fit into the "you are the only one who calls me that" thing). Depending on what they are called in CN, it might still be up in the air. EN is known to take creative liberties after all (and I don't really blame them since fully translating things from CN can be a pain sometimes)
También me agarró de sorpresa cuando nos llamó así, el viajero dejó de usar las opciones de diálogo y empezó a hablar, y el hecho de que el nombre que le ponemos cambiara por su nombre real 😮
I have a cracked theory that Dain might have some sort of split personality. Some things he speaks are kinda contradictory. Ie: -He reassures us we can mend our relationship with our sibling. In the past he was always cautious when talking to us. -In the animated short he never seems to comfort the abyss twin at all during their travels. At the very end when he puts his hands on their shoulders, the twin is seen to be visibly angry at him as if he's pressuring her to continue. It doesn't seem to add up to the line he said at the end of the travail trailer. Some other sus things that happened: 1) When we woke up, Paimon seems not as attached to us as in previous occasions and she seemed to know we were talking to caribert despite not being in the scene herself. 2) Why did Dain randomly glitch at the point when he was talking about the sinners? 3) In the domain the statue is similar to the ones found in the caribert part 1 domain. Any correlations here? 4) "older brother" implies that if Dain was the same blood as his brother that he could've also potentially became a sinner? This was also when I thought about the possibility of a split personality that maybe Dain was also a sinner then something happened to him.
They only just got the Loom of Fate to a point where it can affect ley lines and they still don't know how to. If they could write the sibling in from a future point, they could also just change the entire past from a future point as well, and they clearly haven't done that. Remember, sibling also isn't a Descender. They are considered native to the planet, and I highly doubt that was the Loom of Fate. I have my own theories that are getting more and more supported as the story goes but too long to get into. All I'll say is this... miHoYo loves the concept of Samsara, and always has since the very first Honkai game.
Can u imagine if someday, the hilichurls actually do stay calm in the main world. And hell, maybe in the end, we fight along side hilichurl as an army against celestial.
I just started watching your videos not too long ago, and I love your enthusiasm! I wish we knew each other in real life! You're so fun to watch! Also this quests broke my heart! 😢 I wanted that moment between them to go on forever or a little longer. But it's gearing me up even more for Natlan!! One step closer to the truth of everything!
@ennieee To be fair to Chlothar, what happened to Caribert had almost nothing to do with him. It wasn't his fault. Dain's Brother, "The Visionary," is the one who condemned Caribert to his fate. Chlothar was used by "The Visionary." He was, merely, the delivery method. "The Visionary" used Chlothar's desperation to save Caribert to condemn Caribert to a fate he never asked for. How I see Chlothar is that he wasn't evil. Was he a dick? Yes. That comes with the territory when you're a rich person living in a society run by a Caste System like Khaenri'ah. But he wasn't evil. He was just a victim of mental erosion due to being immortal, his love for his son and the desperation that came with it, and the corruption of "Forbidden Knowledge" aka "The Abyss." I always got the feeling that if Chlothar had known what the Corrupted Medicine would do to Caribert, he wouldn't have injected Caribert with it. But by the time he realized and understood what it did, he was already within "The Visionary's" sway. By that point, Chlothar was so far gone that "The Father of Caribert" was gone and only the "Father of The Abyss" remained. But yeah, I had the same reaction you did when Aether was like, "Oh and by the way, we're going to forget all of this in about a minute." I was like, "Oh Fuck You Hoyo!"
Maybe just me but I think the Heavenly Principles will awaken after we explored Khaenri'ah and possibly have to fight the gods if they turn against us and maybe Paimon might travel with us or turn against us who knows, there was a lot and I am pretty slow at picking information up so quickly haha 😂, though I bet why we had our small conversations erased was because we might know what she will talk about in the later updates.
Seen a lot of people's reaction to Dain saying "just as I suspected" as if that doesn't mean you telling him wouldn't matter, the reason we didn't tell him is because with our guess that would mean they were following us, so telling him could give us away.
I really hate celestia and the heavenly principles. It makes me wonder if the abyss prince/ss was also cursed by the heavenly principle and that curse was to never be able to reunite with our sibling. What if the curse is connected to irminsul and by destroying it, the curse of wilderness (becoming a hilichurl) will be remove and that includes the curse of abyss prince/ss. The loom of fate will be used to create a new tree and so the traveller will be able to reweave the “fate”. Also I just noticed that what happened in khaenri’ah where the sudden appearance of forbidden knowledge which is the cause of caticlysm gives a perfect excuse for the heavenly principle to perform genocide. Khaenri’ah being an underground civilization, it’s possible they are the descendant of the primordial one and they want to remove any traces of that civilization. But then again I think this will have no sense if the heavenly principles is the primordial one.
@55:39 I just noticed traveler called Rukkha as 'him', I wished it was just a typo but why is the VA also called her that. Is traveler's memory of her also messed up or something 😂
guys I am HURTINGGGG! and I have too many thoughts for my own good. What'd you think of this quest? what are your lore thoughts?
Quest too short for me. It left us soo many question.
Im wondering
1. How Pierro fits, if at all, and
2. If/how Kaeya fits as well. If any of the 5 sinners are Alberichs, that would be pretty crazy
Awesome over 9000
i am upside to my friend ❤
I have so many thoughts, too. (spoiler warning?)
So apparently, is the "loom of fate" thing sth like a stand-alone-operating-system that works independently from Irminsul, which is a (complete) "loom of fate" installed in Teyvat?
Thinking back, it seems like multiple factions have been trying to make their own "loom of fate" to break out from the heavenly principles rules.
Makoto with the Sakura tree, Deshret with his Golden Slumber thing, King Remus with the Sinfonia (or Phobos?), René de Petrichor with his Narzissenkreuz-Ordo, which all failed?
Maybe the Fatui are trying the same thing now, building their own "loom of fate" using the gnosees. But since it's said in the quest, that the loom can't "replace or extend" existing ley lines, it might answer why Dottore wanted to burn down Irminsul in Collei's dream during the Lazzo trailer.
Here is a really good theory I read as to the sibling's behavior:
"I found it incredibly interesting how the Sibling's behaviour changed under the circumstances. Back when we reunited with them, they were cold and just told you to continue your journey. But here they opened up big time, talking hugs, missing you and stuff - all because they knew that you'd forget everything said. Makes it seem like they're just playing a role that they shouldn't break, not unlike Furina."
It has a good point
That's a good point, and I also think that every archon quest brings in a piece of foreshadowing of what is gonna happen in the end, about the truth of the world and about the abyss sibling's behavior, so that fits
In case anyone is curious
Farewell, Atossa
I apologize
to making you know me
unwillingly
still I dont wish you to forget me
They are obviously in love with each other.
Atossa is technically in love with an 8 year old and 500 year old at the same time
Dain is not dropping bomb anymore, he is dropping big Nukes lol
So, if you check the description of Travail, you’ll see that the final scene after Khaenri’ah is actually titled The Sea of Flowers at the End.
As for that person’s Irminsul file linking analogy, there’s a major flaw in that Irminsul will invent a file to replace it if it is missing, so it’s not quite the same as what a video editor would do if a linked video file was missing.
atossa would have the most husband of all time if that was not the situation of caribert... sigh
think if it was different and these two meet somewhere and just connects
This Archon quest gives so much information in such a very short time and that's imprissive to be honest. Now that we know how Khanriah fell from the cataclysm and who caused it which is surreal thing to experience, were Dainslief's brother (the chained crystal), Surtalogi, Gold, and the other two sinners; additionally, we now know that the Heavenly principles is still on standby despite of the Hydro archon, Focalor broke the rules which makes me wonder. Will the Unknown God only be awaken if both of the siblings united or is it something else which is a bit concerning.
I think the heavenly principles will awaken when the Tsaritsa puts her plan to motion
my theory is the heavenly principle will be awaken once the sinners surface back to Teyvat. because they have the abyss power within them (and i'm having this feeling that this abyss power is also the forbidden knowledge).
This is why I have never stopped playing Genshin from 2020 until now, because the story is interesting,
Nah. Cause us not being able to remember actually pissed me off so bad. The picture at the end just BARELY saved the quest for me.
But, amazing story telling of course. I enjoy these Dain quests.
SAME
and also hyping the dain fight and then not showing it pissed me offffff like wtf bro ☠️😭
I mean the sea of flowers that the abyss twin said is a big spoiler for the main character. It is not a coincidence
That's why he told her all the stuff because he knows Lumine wouldn't remember
I think their real identities tie to Teyvat
Being a bit dramatic here aren't we lol. Only reason we even got the conversation between the twins is because the sibling knew they would forget about it
I cried 🥺 and the ost during the cutscene is so emotional. I need hoyo to release the ost please. This is why we can't have nice things... cuz hoyo will kill the characters and make us cry😭
man caribert did most of the emotional damage , his story and how he faded peacefully also taking a photo for the siblings asking them to get along , Ugh 😣.
I jumped when I saw the "Traveller using 2 different names" theory got confirmed.
At first it was just speculation based on how Lumine called him in the "We Will be Reunited" quest, nobody in the game ever talked about it either so it's kinda weird.
Like, why would he use 2 different names?, what is he hiding? (Yes I'm using Aether).
But that aside, I'm SO glad that we finally have this type of story quest, FINALLY, something that can make me feel something about the Traveller as a character, FINALLY we get to see him expresses what he think and feel instead of getting overshadowed by Paimon yapping every 5 second. Them simply talking hit pretty hard because when they sit around like that it finally occurred to me how long he's been doing this and how we as a player saw him wandering around Teyvat to look for his sister, and now it's finally happening.
But then it got taken away again, which makes it hurt even more. 😂
I can already see it, the ending of this game will play our heartstrings like a damn fiddle, and I'm all here for it.
Is it actually confirmed, I wonder? Because in JP the Abyss Twin calls them "brother/sister" (which does fit into the "you are the only one who calls me that" thing). Depending on what they are called in CN, it might still be up in the air. EN is known to take creative liberties after all (and I don't really blame them since fully translating things from CN can be a pain sometimes)
También me agarró de sorpresa cuando nos llamó así, el viajero dejó de usar las opciones de diálogo y empezó a hablar, y el hecho de que el nombre que le ponemos cambiara por su nombre real 😮
Hoyo likes to make us cry nowadays they did it again i cried when lumine touch aether face 😭😭
damn i resonated with you with this quest. the way you react i mean 😅. best reaction for me. i shed tears. literal tears
I have a cracked theory that Dain might have some sort of split personality. Some things he speaks are kinda contradictory. Ie:
-He reassures us we can mend our relationship with our sibling. In the past he was always cautious when talking to us.
-In the animated short he never seems to comfort the abyss twin at all during their travels. At the very end when he puts his hands on their shoulders, the twin is seen to be visibly angry at him as if he's pressuring her to continue. It doesn't seem to add up to the line he said at the end of the travail trailer.
Some other sus things that happened:
1) When we woke up, Paimon seems not as attached to us as in previous occasions and she seemed to know we were talking to caribert despite not being in the scene herself.
2) Why did Dain randomly glitch at the point when he was talking about the sinners?
3) In the domain the statue is similar to the ones found in the caribert part 1 domain. Any correlations here?
4) "older brother" implies that if Dain was the same blood as his brother that he could've also potentially became a sinner? This was also when I thought about the possibility of a split personality that maybe Dain was also a sinner then something happened to him.
About 1) Paimon was there when we talked to Caribert near the tree
They only just got the Loom of Fate to a point where it can affect ley lines and they still don't know how to. If they could write the sibling in from a future point, they could also just change the entire past from a future point as well, and they clearly haven't done that.
Remember, sibling also isn't a Descender. They are considered native to the planet, and I highly doubt that was the Loom of Fate. I have my own theories that are getting more and more supported as the story goes but too long to get into. All I'll say is this... miHoYo loves the concept of Samsara, and always has since the very first Honkai game.
1:31:27 THIS IS EXACTLY HOW I FELT ☠️😭😭 and people were defending this whole quest it like crazy i was like broo
Next Dain quest, Imma tie up him like a backpack so he won't wonder off to somewhere. I need 👏more 👏Dain time! 👏
Can u imagine if someday, the hilichurls actually do stay calm in the main world. And hell, maybe in the end, we fight along side hilichurl as an army against celestial.
I just started watching your videos not too long ago, and I love your enthusiasm!
I wish we knew each other in real life! You're so fun to watch!
Also this quests broke my heart! 😢 I wanted that moment between them to go on forever or a little longer. But it's gearing me up even more for Natlan!! One step closer to the truth of everything!
the music inside Caribert's space gives a children bedtime feels to it.. I love the music so much..❤❤
how hoyo can make story like even you already watch it again and again it still make me cry TT_TT
I hope you noticed the dolls in the tree, during the memory sequence! :)
This quest was so awesome, so much lore. I hope they surprise us and we get to see Dain before another whole year lol
@ennieee
To be fair to Chlothar, what happened to Caribert had almost nothing to do with him. It wasn't his fault. Dain's Brother, "The Visionary," is the one who condemned Caribert to his fate. Chlothar was used by "The Visionary." He was, merely, the delivery method. "The Visionary" used Chlothar's desperation to save Caribert to condemn Caribert to a fate he never asked for.
How I see Chlothar is that he wasn't evil. Was he a dick? Yes. That comes with the territory when you're a rich person living in a society run by a Caste System like Khaenri'ah. But he wasn't evil. He was just a victim of mental erosion due to being immortal, his love for his son and the desperation that came with it, and the corruption of "Forbidden Knowledge" aka "The Abyss." I always got the feeling that if Chlothar had known what the Corrupted Medicine would do to Caribert, he wouldn't have injected Caribert with it. But by the time he realized and understood what it did, he was already within "The Visionary's" sway. By that point, Chlothar was so far gone that "The Father of Caribert" was gone and only the "Father of The Abyss" remained.
But yeah, I had the same reaction you did when Aether was like, "Oh and by the way, we're going to forget all of this in about a minute." I was like, "Oh Fuck You Hoyo!"
Maybe just me but I think the Heavenly Principles will awaken after we explored Khaenri'ah and possibly have to fight the gods if they turn against us and maybe Paimon might travel with us or turn against us who knows, there was a lot and I am pretty slow at picking information up so quickly haha 😂, though I bet why we had our small conversations erased was because we might know what she will talk about in the later updates.
Maybe someone has already said it to you but you actually look like if navia comes to life
Seen a lot of people's reaction to Dain saying "just as I suspected" as if that doesn't mean you telling him wouldn't matter, the reason we didn't tell him is because with our guess that would mean they were following us, so telling him could give us away.
I CRIED SO MUCH😭😭😭ITS BEEN LIKE IN FONTAINE ARC THE LAST TIME I CRIED LIKE THAT DURING A QUEST😭☹️
I really hate celestia and the heavenly principles. It makes me wonder if the abyss prince/ss was also cursed by the heavenly principle and that curse was to never be able to reunite with our sibling. What if the curse is connected to irminsul and by destroying it, the curse of wilderness (becoming a hilichurl) will be remove and that includes the curse of abyss prince/ss. The loom of fate will be used to create a new tree and so the traveller will be able to reweave the “fate”.
Also I just noticed that what happened in khaenri’ah where the sudden appearance of forbidden knowledge which is the cause of caticlysm gives a perfect excuse for the heavenly principle to perform genocide. Khaenri’ah being an underground civilization, it’s possible they are the descendant of the primordial one and they want to remove any traces of that civilization. But then again I think this will have no sense if the heavenly principles is the primordial one.
Pierro might be one of the Sinners? Random thought
planting so messed up
Love Dainself
@55:39 I just noticed traveler called Rukkha as 'him', I wished it was just a typo but why is the VA also called her that. Is traveler's memory of her also messed up or something 😂
Actually traveler referred to Caribert there
İt was emotional but didnt like the ending for me it ruins it when traveler forgets about it but poor Caribert of course and he looks handsome
I noticed that if you play as Aether, in the picture, Aether has his arms crossed and Lumine does the same pose or has her arms crossed or something
new sub here !!!
😁😁😁
You said to her to forget him tho😢
🥺🤟cariberto
honestly, I felt pretty disappointed. Such an important lore drop and also their meeting/ conversation... in such a short time.
same
Great quest ….and emotional damage.