Farming is amazing and it is a huge capital investment. I appreciate all you people do. I’m glad God blessed you with the skills, desire, and abilities to help feed all of us.
Thanks for the video. Only thing is that you have it backwards about the moisture needed for a round versus small square. Larger and more denser bales must be baled at lower moisture.
That Bobcat all wheel steer is the cat’s meow! I’ve never seen one like that before now. We used to bake small squares and now bale approx 900lb rounds. For primarily outdoor beef, that works for us. I can see where the small squares are nice for smaller herds, smaller animals, or horses. Your palatable comment got me think’n… Are there any studies that show increases in growth, meat quality, or performance for animals fed small squares?
I've only seen this for high value export hay. But they are not not using standard fluffy bales, they are doing high compression to fit 2-3 times as much in a 45ft shipping container. The moisture needs to be spot on because the compressed blocks don't breath at all, even before they are locked in a metal box for 2 months. I'm in WA, it is usually alfalfa to Japan, or at least they used to I'm not up on the current market.
Yes hammering nickels into quarters !!! Seen ya getting around 20 . In my area good grass rounds 5 footers going for 75$ 100 for a 6. Good grass hay squares $8 to 10$ 20x10$ =200$ out of a 75$ round =125% profit margin less loss 100% real life profit margin. Less loss for transport, handling ect down to 75% Margin still a nice profit. Hence hamming nickels into quarters.
What's that powdery material coming in from the chute above the unrolling bale? I'm thinking some sort of nutrient additive or maybe it's someone sweeping the deck up there.
It would seem that New Holland solved the problem of putting away small square bales when they invented the bale wagon. That machine picks up bales in the field and makes the stack for you with no need to touch the bales by hand. Thats the New Holland bale stacking wagon. Great machine
Smart. Gets that hay out of the field fast before it gets rained on. That electric motor really saves on the money. Electricity isnt cheap but diesel is way more.
I played football my 1st two years in highschool, but had to work the last two years in highschool & left me yell it from the rooftops that working on Ranches bailing square bales in the fields would put most football players in the hospital. That is hard work and will test your mental state and makes men out of boys!!! I do have a couple of questions about your setup... Do you monitor moisture content & if so, how is it being adjusted? Secondly, do you or could you add additional nutrients during this process?
We do in fact probably more than most. If the hay doesn’t have enough moisture it will shatter and make dust bales. Anything below 10-12% if the hay is anything above 18% you really can’t re-bale as it’s to tough and you break a lot of shear pins just like in the field. We do use preservative but those higher moisture rounds must sit a few months to cure out and then can be re-baled actually making the best squares.
Now you've got me thinking! How many acres do you bale? All alfalfa and straw? I'm interested in your inputs vs income. That had to be a huge investment. Is it paying off? I'm using my dad's equipment from the 70s & 80s: NH 315 behind a White 2-105. I ride the rack. Cutting with a 9' NH 492 haybine. JD 640 bar rake. Just got a 2 rotor tedder. I'm about to upgrade the rake. Bale Baron is on my wishlist, but now you've got me thinking about using it under cover instead of in the field. UA-cam is dangerous. Thanks for the video!
We do all grass hay. Unfortunately you really can’t rebale alfalfa as you have to much leaf loss. You would have to send it though a press and do small compressed bales like found at farm stores.
do you find the consistency of the bales are different after being basically mulched by the bale grinder? Does it lose its nutritional value quicker due to the stalks being broken down further than if it was just baled from a windrow?
@@ontario-yota-1050 not at all and if the moisture content is right it doesn’t mulch the hay. I don’t think all the knives are in the bale processor. No nutrients are lost and the hay is actually more digestible
seems like the new trend. downside is that most round bales sit outside for awhile before being re-baled, so there's a little more mold. our supplier does this process, and we decided to switch because of the inferior quality
@@damkayaker we don’t let it turn brown. Hay has to be dry sometimes it takes 5-6 days the sun bleaches the hay. There is no nutrient in color and animals don’t care about color either it’s only us humans that think green hay is somehow better than golden hay.
@@SLCFarms Oh OK ... I think I saw green hay fed to the horses at the Kentucky Derby though. If horses were let loose in an uncut hay field they would eat it , no?
@@damkayaker there’s a difference in fresh grass and dry hay. Horse on has 2 stomach and can’t process wet hay. Cows and eat silage hay which is hay baled at a moisture between 30-70% dry hay needs to be 14% or below on moisture or it will mold. No animals can eat moldy hay. The hay you saw was probably alfalfa which is usually baled a little higher moisture and has a preservative added when baled to keep the hay from molding. We produce grass hay in a humid climate and sometimes getting the hay dry means it looses color but doesn’t affect the quality. Sometimes we get good weather and the hay retains some of its green color.
When grass or hay is cut it must dry and cure for a number of days and weeks before animals consume it as it still puts off toxins that can kill the animal eating it. It’s why you never feed grass clippings to horses.
Also the very first stuff running in this video was a leftover bale of wheat 🌾 straw that they were running that’s definitely more golden thank the hay we were running
It all depends on how heavy you want your squares and how dense you make your rounds. I bale a 650-680 pound 54” round bale and average 20 square per round. We shoot for a 32-35# square bale
I'm curious, what's the reason for netwrap if you're rebaling to square? I buy netwrap but because it keeps the hay tighter, if you're just going from field to the barn and rebaling, wouldn't it be less wasteful to just string wrap your round bales? Heck if you get the natural fiber strings you don't even need to cut them, your auger/cutter that eats up the round bales ought to handle the strings.
My brother picked up a square bale in the field once that had a live snake baled up in it. I guess this process would probably run off any rats mice or snakes that might be in the hay! 😂😂😂
@@peterjackson4863 watch the last 10 minutes of the video all this is explained. Who spoiled anything. I’m making large bales that are not profitable and turning them into a more profitable product. If you are trying to make production this is the best
I see no reason why a bail of hay that has been bailed a second time would be any better than the original bail. It does make sense though if you have nothing better to do with your time and money and you just need to justify all that money you spent on the bailing equipment.
We can do 3000 bales a day of hay or straw converting round or large squares rain shine sleet or snow. Cant do that in the field year round. Can also buy up all the cheap hay sellers in your area and convert there hay for more profit
Most livestock owners are willing to pay more for small bales, because we can actually load, haul, and carry them ourselves. It's also much more precise feeding than giant flakes off the huge bales, when you have a small farm. Large bales work great for farmers who want to spend the least amount of time baling, but they're annoying and inconvenient in every way for the customer.
@@SLCFarms I just don't understand the extra loading, unloading, time & fuel Must be one hell of an operation if you are having to bale while snow is flying. If I did that we'd have a bunch of moldy hay or ashes where the stack used to be.
@@mstaff657 we sell hay year round to mostly horse customers. We can bale and buy a bunch in hay season and convert those big bales into little bales. I can make $100 a ton hay turn into $350 a ton it’s all about efficiency and keeping customers supplied. I can bale and move round bales with far less labor than you ever could small squares in the field. I actually explained all this in the video. Fast forward to the last 10 minutes and listen.
That is a hell of a setup there, I've seen a few different small scale setups before but you guys got a pretty nice system there. That's the first all wheel skid loader I have seen pretty slick I bet.
That makes sense in every aspect , when I was young the smell of fresh cut hay Mmmm but the smell of that ready to bale hay well that was a different feeling. I do miss it though we put up a lot of small squares on my parents dairy farm. Thanks that was cool !
Hi Brian, over the years of your posting I have always been impressed by your operation. And watching you get it done. Thank you for such a great explanation and reasoning for doing what you do. 👍👌 Hope you and your family stay safe and happy ! 🇨🇦 Craig
thats why square bales cost too much bailing twice double fuel cost and handling plus round bale hay is not very good unless done properly looks like chaff is being blown in
Great Video! thanks for taking the time to thoroughly explain the process. It makes perfect sense to me as a round bale producer I can run that round bale process myself - very efficient - as I can round bale the equivalent of 2500 -3000 square bales with my round baler in 7-10hrs all by myself. That wouldn't be possible with a square baler in the field - 1500 squares with a full crew would be difficult! Then reprocess later into a product that the market wants - some round and some square - with again one person. Really appreciate the insights into this business!
How do you figure you can round bale at a higher moisture than square baling? I find it to be just the opposite since round bales are tighter they are not able to shed excess moisture whereas moisture can more easily escape squares. Thanks for the tour. Enjoyed seeing your customized setup.
When you rebale the hay, I’m guessing it’s because you sell hay. I can’t think of any other reason. I have a question, do you ever check the moisture and do you ever check protein content? I have seen farmers send it in to get the makeup of the hay.
More than 60 years ago for me, when my uncle had me drive the flatbed over the field (when I was about 12 years old) between the bales of hay so that the bigger guys could put the bales on the truck. Kuna, Idaho.
I am in Texas. Where are you guys and how much can you sell hay for there in your rounds? After rebaling in squares? Quick hauling an baling at higher moisture with round makes tons of sense
We are in South Carolina. I bale a 56” bale that averages 660# our square bales average 35# we get roughly 19 squares per round. I charge $90 for a round bale of horse quality fescue/orchard grass mix and $9 a bale for squares. It cost with transportation $1.35 per square bale to convert the hay from rounds to square. Said and done I can pretty much double or a little better on converting the bales.
Thanks for sharing this process again Brian, it’s still interesting to watch. Hope you all have a blessed day and week ahead my friend.
Glad you enjoyed it
Makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks for taking us along with ya.
You bet
Impressive setup really like that skid steer. Makes sense to me why you're rebaling labor savings/ increase value of hay
Farming is amazing and it is a huge capital investment. I appreciate all you people do. I’m glad God blessed you with the skills, desire, and abilities to help feed all of us.
Thanks for the video. Only thing is that you have it backwards about the moisture needed for a round versus small square. Larger and more denser bales must be baled at lower moisture.
Nice setup, Way better than picking up square's out of the field.
That Bobcat all wheel steer is the cat’s meow! I’ve never seen one like that before now. We used to bake small squares and now bale approx 900lb rounds. For primarily outdoor beef, that works for us. I can see where the small squares are nice for smaller herds, smaller animals, or horses.
Your palatable comment got me think’n… Are there any studies that show increases in growth, meat quality, or performance for animals fed small squares?
Glad your back posting videos
Me to
@@SLCFarms what made you sell the big Massey
Great job love your videos thank you
Why rebale turns low cost round bale into higher dollar square 🤑🤑im sure your buying rounds cheap and hammering nickels into quarters.
this ... this is realiey kool awsom and intristing 😀😀😀😀💯💯💯
I've only seen this for high value export hay. But they are not not using standard fluffy bales, they are doing high compression to fit 2-3 times as much in a 45ft shipping container. The moisture needs to be spot on because the compressed blocks don't breath at all, even before they are locked in a metal box for 2 months.
I'm in WA, it is usually alfalfa to Japan, or at least they used to I'm not up on the current market.
Yes hammering nickels into quarters !!! Seen ya getting around 20 . In my area good grass rounds 5 footers going for 75$ 100 for a 6.
Good grass hay squares $8 to 10$
20x10$ =200$ out of a 75$ round =125% profit margin less loss 100% real life profit margin. Less loss for transport, handling ect down to 75%
Margin still a nice profit.
Hence hamming nickels into quarters.
Exactly.
Still seems like a lot of work. - Convey windrows into wagons, coveyer from wagon into a large hoppers that feeds the rebailer...
@@chip9177 what’s the work? It’s all mechanized. The hardest part is taking the net wrap off the round bale.
What's that powdery material coming in from the chute above the unrolling bale? I'm thinking some sort of nutrient additive or maybe it's someone sweeping the deck up there.
It looks like chaff from somewhere else in the process being recycled back in
That’s chaff being recycled
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It would seem that New Holland solved the problem of putting away small square bales when they invented the bale wagon. That machine picks up bales in the field and makes the stack for you with no need to touch the bales by hand.
Thats the New Holland bale stacking wagon. Great machine
@@ericamundson4700 got to either load the customer or load a trailer to deliver to the customer. Might work field to barn but that’s about it.
Smart. Gets that hay out of the field fast before it gets rained on. That electric motor really saves on the money. Electricity isnt cheap but diesel is way more.
Which bale buster is that? And is it set up a certain way so its not chopping it so that it still makes a good bale and isn't just chaff?
Nice video 👌
Awesome very nice set up. But that buzzer going off all the time is irritating to me the hay bales look great
I played football my 1st two years in highschool, but had to work the last two years in highschool & left me yell it from the rooftops that working on Ranches bailing square bales in the fields would put most football players in the hospital.
That is hard work and will test your mental state and makes men out of boys!!!
I do have a couple of questions about your setup... Do you monitor moisture content & if so, how is it being adjusted? Secondly, do you or could you add additional nutrients during this process?
We do in fact probably more than most. If the hay doesn’t have enough moisture it will shatter and make dust bales. Anything below 10-12% if the hay is anything above 18% you really can’t re-bale as it’s to tough and you break a lot of shear pins just like in the field. We do use preservative but those higher moisture rounds must sit a few months to cure out and then can be re-baled actually making the best squares.
Second yes you could add in a nutrient program to the hay as it’s re-baled.
Now you've got me thinking!
How many acres do you bale? All alfalfa and straw?
I'm interested in your inputs vs income. That had to be a huge investment. Is it paying off?
I'm using my dad's equipment from the 70s & 80s: NH 315 behind a White 2-105. I ride the rack. Cutting with a 9' NH 492 haybine. JD 640 bar rake. Just got a 2 rotor tedder. I'm about to upgrade the rake. Bale Baron is on my wishlist, but now you've got me thinking about using it under cover instead of in the field.
UA-cam is dangerous. Thanks for the video!
We do all grass hay. Unfortunately you really can’t rebale alfalfa as you have to much leaf loss. You would have to send it though a press and do small compressed bales like found at farm stores.
what size was the round bale?4x4? 4x5? and how many squares do you get out of 1 round bale roughly? just curious
56” bale 660 pounds around 19 35# squares per round
That Bobcat all wheel steer is the cats meow!
Lot of ways to die on that machine. Interesting video!
It makes a lot of sense
do you find the consistency of the bales are different after being basically mulched by the bale grinder? Does it lose its nutritional value quicker due to the stalks being broken down further than if it was just baled from a windrow?
@@ontario-yota-1050 not at all and if the moisture content is right it doesn’t mulch the hay. I don’t think all the knives are in the bale processor. No nutrients are lost and the hay is actually more digestible
How many squares out of your size round bales? Interesting and logical.
19-20
seems like the new trend. downside is that most round bales sit outside for awhile before being re-baled, so there's a little more mold. our supplier does this process, and we decided to switch because of the inferior quality
We barn keep all our hay round or square. We want top quality hay year round.
Why do you let the hay turn brown before feeding it to the cattle or horses? Wouldn't they like it fresher and green?
@@damkayaker we don’t let it turn brown. Hay has to be dry sometimes it takes 5-6 days the sun bleaches the hay. There is no nutrient in color and animals don’t care about color either it’s only us humans that think green hay is somehow better than golden hay.
@@SLCFarms Oh OK ... I think I saw green hay fed to the horses at the Kentucky Derby though. If horses were let loose in an uncut hay field they would eat it , no?
@@damkayaker there’s a difference in fresh grass and dry hay. Horse on has 2 stomach and can’t process wet hay. Cows and eat silage hay which is hay baled at a moisture between 30-70% dry hay needs to be 14% or below on moisture or it will mold. No animals can eat moldy hay. The hay you saw was probably alfalfa which is usually baled a little higher moisture and has a preservative added when baled to keep the hay from molding. We produce grass hay in a humid climate and sometimes getting the hay dry means it looses color but doesn’t affect the quality. Sometimes we get good weather and the hay retains some of its green color.
When grass or hay is cut it must dry and cure for a number of days and weeks before animals consume it as it still puts off toxins that can kill the animal eating it. It’s why you never feed grass clippings to horses.
Also the very first stuff running in this video was a leftover bale of wheat 🌾 straw that they were running that’s definitely more golden thank the hay we were running
Keep the mats! It will help the cows stand better.
Be Safe
That does not seem cost effective. Too much handling. In Calif, we square bail as we cut. Takes less barn space, too ...compared to round bales.
Weather is way different out west and terrain than in the south. Big world out there
I was curios, didn’t know this was a thing. Basically baling has come full circle.
lol I got you
What’s coming out of the shoot that’s dropping stuff on the bail that’s being fed into the machine
@@waynemoore8730 chaff being returned
I grew up near Spivey Corner, NC
Been all around that area got family up there
Why do you rebale? Why not just do square bales in the field?
@@maxpuppy96 watch the last 10 minutes of the video it’s all explained.
Making a rounded meal bailes into a square meal bailes.
how many square bales do you get out of a normal size round bale
It all depends on how heavy you want your squares and how dense you make your rounds. I bale a 650-680 pound 54” round bale and average 20 square per round. We shoot for a 32-35# square bale
How much $$ do i need to have to get started with an operation similar to this?
You can probably get started with $150k but to duplicate this operation probably 500k
@@SLCFarms ok, thanks!
That sure looks like you are losing a great deal of the best part of the hay.
With this machine you don’t lose anything but dust.
Instead of baling it twice couldn't you pick it up out of the field with a forage wagon and put it on a conveyor into the square baler ?
I explain all this towards the end of the video as to why we don’t pick up in field anymore
I'm curious, what's the reason for netwrap if you're rebaling to square? I buy netwrap but because it keeps the hay tighter, if you're just going from field to the barn and rebaling, wouldn't it be less wasteful to just string wrap your round bales? Heck if you get the natural fiber strings you don't even need to cut them, your auger/cutter that eats up the round bales ought to handle the strings.
Faster to remove also holds the bales together better makes a nicer looking bale as we sell rounds as well is squares. Baler only does net
My brother picked up a square bale in the field once that had a live snake baled up in it. I guess this process would probably run off any rats mice or snakes that might be in the hay! 😂😂😂
For sure
Why do you re bail hay ?
Watch the video. If you can’t do that fast forward to the last 10 minutes
Feed.
Have you ever been able to put your cost per bail to pencil and paper and compare accounting efficiency evaluation?
Yes it cost me about a dollar a bale to convert vs making in the field cost wise but labor and time no comparison re bale all day
I saw the turn table and suspected you had a Bale Barron.
Family member invented the Bale Bandit.
Why not just square bale the hay in the field, surely that would be more cost effective.
@@mdf2mdf287 not in our urban farm setting. The last 10 minutes of the video explains all this
Labor. Stacking, restacking by hand.
How many small bales are you getting from a round bale
20 on a 56” bale
Hi l am new to your channel, so i don't know your reasoning for rebaling your hay we just bale in small squares from the start
@@brianshields7137 watch the last 10 minutes of video it’s all explained
You didn't say why. 😢😢😢
Sure did it’s all in the video
@@SLCFarms i saw bales being loaded onto a conveyor without an explamation why, so I quit watching.
@@duotronic6451 maybe keep watching idk 🤷
Why spoil good hay. Why if you want small square bales why use the round baler first waste of time and fuel
@@peterjackson4863 watch the last 10 minutes of the video all this is explained. Who spoiled anything. I’m making large bales that are not profitable and turning them into a more profitable product. If you are trying to make production this is the best
Great video, Great content. But poorly illustrated of what is going on.
Huh you couldn’t tell what was going on in the video i filmed every step of the way and the last 10 minutes explain everything.
I see no reason why a bail of hay that has been bailed a second time would be any better than the original bail. It does make sense though if you have nothing better to do with your time and money and you just need to justify all that money you spent on the bailing equipment.
We can do 3000 bales a day of hay or straw converting round or large squares rain shine sleet or snow. Cant do that in the field year round. Can also buy up all the cheap hay sellers in your area and convert there hay for more profit
Most livestock owners are willing to pay more for small bales, because we can actually load, haul, and carry them ourselves. It's also much more precise feeding than giant flakes off the huge bales, when you have a small farm. Large bales work great for farmers who want to spend the least amount of time baling, but they're annoying and inconvenient in every way for the customer.
More money than brains coupled with to much time on your hands.
That’s right. Can you produce 3000 bales a day rain or shine sleet or snow. Didn’t think so. I can.
@@SLCFarms I just don't understand the extra loading, unloading, time & fuel Must be one hell of an operation if you are having to bale while snow is flying. If I did that we'd have a bunch of moldy hay or ashes where the stack used to be.
@@mstaff657 we sell hay year round to mostly horse customers. We can bale and buy a bunch in hay season and convert those big bales into little bales. I can make $100 a ton hay turn into $350 a ton it’s all about efficiency and keeping customers supplied. I can bale and move round bales with far less labor than you ever could small squares in the field. I actually explained all this in the video. Fast forward to the last 10 minutes and listen.
What a waste of time and energy not to mention expenses .
Your opinion my books and bank account says different.
That is a hell of a setup there, I've seen a few different small scale setups before but you guys got a pretty nice system there. That's the first all wheel skid loader I have seen pretty slick I bet.
That makes sense in every aspect , when I was young the smell of fresh cut hay Mmmm but the smell of that ready to bale hay well that was a different feeling. I do miss it though we put up a lot of small squares on my parents dairy farm. Thanks that was cool !
Hi Brian, over the years of your posting I have always been impressed by your operation. And watching you get it done. Thank you for such a great explanation and reasoning for doing what you do. 👍👌
Hope you and your family stay safe and happy ! 🇨🇦 Craig
thats why square bales cost too much bailing twice double fuel cost and handling plus round bale hay is not very good unless done properly looks like chaff is being blown in
I did enjoy watching the rebaling process, Brian. Thanks so much for taking the time to make the video.
~ Sandra
Great Video! thanks for taking the time to thoroughly explain the process. It makes perfect sense to me as a round bale producer I can run that round bale process myself - very efficient - as I can round bale the equivalent of 2500 -3000 square bales with my round baler in 7-10hrs all by myself. That wouldn't be possible with a square baler in the field - 1500 squares with a full crew would be difficult!
Then reprocess later into a product that the market wants - some round and some square - with again one person.
Really appreciate the insights into this business!
How do you figure you can round bale at a higher moisture than square baling? I find it to be just the opposite since round bales are tighter they are not able to shed excess moisture whereas moisture can more easily escape squares.
Thanks for the tour. Enjoyed seeing your customized setup.
Processing the hay going into the small square baler that has to make for just some absolutely solid and consistent bales
My compliments...that's a clean barn for rebaling!
I posted this at the beginning of the video and then saw the vacuum setup. Brilliant idea!
You will end up with hay chopped up like chaff , like as if it has been through a hammer mill
@@peterjackson4863 nope been at this for at least a generation now sell an awful lot of it.
Why, round balers don’t chop hay.
Awesome
Enjoy watching a growing Farm right here in York County
Thanks
There’s a round peg in a square hole question somewhere.
The question should be, why is a “rectangle bale” called a “square bale” 🧐
How many square bale in a round bale
@@rickygreen1985 19-20
looks like sawdust shootimg out, what is that and where is it coming from?
wats that red thingiey in tha background??
What is the stuff blowing into the hay
Why?
@@cz_ww2117 watch last 10 minutes of the video
When you rebale the hay, I’m guessing it’s because you sell hay. I can’t think of any other reason. I have a question, do you ever check the moisture and do you ever check protein content? I have seen farmers send it in to get the makeup of the hay.
Approximately how many square bales from a round bale?
Yes we re-bale to sell to horse customers and yes we send our hay off for testing of protein and sugars.
Very cool. My last interaction with field baled hay was 50 years ago. Hard work! This operation is amazing and I would think, quite profitable.
Thank you
More than 60 years ago for me, when my uncle had me drive the flatbed over the field (when I was about 12 years old) between the bales of hay so that the bigger guys could put the bales on the truck. Kuna, Idaho.
I am in Texas. Where are you guys and how much can you sell hay for there in your rounds? After rebaling in squares? Quick hauling an baling at higher moisture with round makes tons of sense
We are in South Carolina. I bale a 56” bale that averages 660# our square bales average 35# we get roughly 19 squares per round. I charge $90 for a round bale of horse quality fescue/orchard grass mix and $9 a bale for squares. It cost with transportation $1.35 per square bale to convert the hay from rounds to square. Said and done I can pretty much double or a little better on converting the bales.
And when you are rebaling, the baler and the bale Barron are not in the field getting bounced around.
@@johnkemp4370 Or tying up 2 tractors... plus wear/maintenance on them.
Why rebale feed it they will eat it
Fast forward to the last 10 minutes of the video I explain why. Also we feed rounds but sell the small squares to horse folk