@@wut462 Actually gays were not allowed in this religion and the 2 women were completely correct. Muslims follow the quran and the Quran tells us exactly what happens to gays (story of lud) so that is why it is not excepted. I'm sorry but what more proof do people need? If he wants to be gay good for him but he wont be acknowledged as a muslim.
+HebrewLife People clap to show their support for an idea without needing to add to the background chatter. It's not stupid, it's efficient in the discourse of an open debate involving so many people.
HebrewLife The same people aren't clapping all the time. If you look closely, some people are clapping at at he conclusion of some statements and others are clapping at the conclusion of others. Some few may clap for two because they find and acknowledge some truth in what their opponent may say.
+HebrewLife you should search the episode where they had the guy from the edl in the audience, he said that he had received death threats, and this ginourmous cunt on the panel quickly responded "well dont be racist then" and this comment was met with rapturous applause from the audience. as though credible death threats from islamists were an appropriate response to the right the show is supposed to be named after, and the host did nothing about it. the show is basically a north london im-leftier-than-thou arena
The Prophet Muhammed [PBUH] said, *“Verily, what I fear most for my nation is the deed of the people of Lot.”* Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 1374 Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Suyuti
Strange, isn't it? Seems the audience is "nicely" chosen to cheer the mainstream point of view and show to the telespectators a fake popular opinion disguised as true. Very dangerous!
moneymatic You're comparing apples to oranges, though, because the definition of vegetarian is universally agreed. But there are lots of different religions and different denominations within those - so you can't really say 'this is the way it is and always will be'.
Meme Prankz that’s a bad comparison ... vegan means you don’t want to eat any kind of animal products for any kind of interest (you’re against animal cruelty or for diet). Being Muslim means you submit to Allah and you follow the teachings. Allah is merciful, he will forgive him. He’s not doing anything bad, but Allah says a woman and a man should get together (to generalize it). The opinion on gay people is very complex and not easy to understand in the Quran. Half of the LGBT supporters are religious lol.
Irishtradchannel Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) married Ayesha the thing is they never had any sexual contact, it was an arranged marraige that anyone would be grateful to have but never where did they live together until she grew up and even then he didnt have sexual contact with her so get ur facts str8
Jesus said: Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man. Matthew 15:17-20 KJV bible.com/bible/1/mat.15.17-20.KJV
These people on the panels seem to be uneducated about the Quran and aren’t providing solid facts. These people try to manipulate others and they tried to make them change their Muslim lifestyle. Subhanallah
Why? Did you know that hadiths were written 300 years after the prophet and that Muslims identify themselves as Sunni Shia salafi wahabbi etc... based on what Hadith they believe instead of reading Quran studying it and reflecting on it. You don’t need a sheik you need to see hear and understand the words of your Creator stop believing what you hear sto following hearsay stories written by men stop placing hadiths next to the word of Allah. This ummah is divided into sects and all because of false stories idolizing what Muhammad said. The only Hadith that is real is Quran.
Irrelevant comparison. A boy can be brought up in a muslim family and, like all others, adopt their attitudes and faith, believe in Allah and identify as muslim, and then find out he's gay. The fact that he's gay does not atomatically erase what he believes in. What do you have to say to that (if you can keep up with this mysterious thing called logical argumentation)?
EscargoTouChaud if you’re gonna embrace living as a gay, then choose NOT to be a muslim. What’s so hard about it? It’s like I go around the world and complain why me as a boy can join GIRLscout when it’s clearly stated that the rule is you need to be a girl to join it. See how stupid it is?
Have you ever listened to Muslim scholars, they’re more hard line than any of these people. They preach nothing but hatred of non Muslims. I mean just look at all the gays in Saudi Arabia smh.
@@ideologicduck I dont know who you watch, but muslim scholars are god fearing. They never preach hatred. You think they are harsh because the bring solid proof while others just push their opinion.
@NONYA Business Yes in certain situation. 'Love' is haram when you engage in sex outside of marriage. Similarly, 'love' is haram if you express that with a person of similar gender. Dont sugar coat things hun.
Actually you can be muslim and gay, but bear in mind it's a major sin in Islam It's not our job to exclude anyone from Islam because of their sins but at the same time you can't boast there and demand that the rules of Islam change to accord your own desires !
@@abdallahibrahim8846 you did "some" sins but you're not a sinner. How convenient for you to say. Let me ask you this question, will u ever engage in same sex act? If no then why do you think someone will deliberately choose to be gay?
@@abdallahibrahim8846 I do pray and hope you correct your sins by apologizing to the one you've wronged or ask for forgiveness if it is only between you and Allah.
You just can’t mate!! You either be gay or Muslim, period! So what if we’re in “21 century” the religion doesn’t change from what it was 14 century ago.
Naima Adde the religion was shite then, still fully it doesn’t change, and then we can all continuously hate all the Muslims for their disgusting backward beliefs. Keep it up Islam
@@liqritrs8391 we're here for a proper debate and if you're not gonna put something even as slight as worthy of reading as a sentence from mein kampf, then piss off, you're not welcomed
As Muslims integrate into western countries, it will evolve. A hundred years ago it would've been unthinkable to be Christian and gay. Now there are entire denominations that accept gays and their relationships as part of the church. Islam will do the same as generations are born in the west and shaped by pluralistic/tolerant western values.
Yeap religion doesn't change from 14 centuries ago, and that's including sex slaves, having sex with a 9 years old, killing of non believers and polygamy. Because the Holy is true until the end of time.
1. a real Muslim would not come at you for being gay or ask you to not be Muslim anymore, 2. as Muslims we believe that all people are born with " الفطرة الإسلام" and parents either makes him Christian, Jew ... , this means even if you are born "Gay" it can be changed specially if it conflicts with your religion 3. Allah does not create a person in a way that is already forbidden in the Quran 4. a sin is a sin and we are all sinners in different levels, but we don't say it's okay to be it (from lying to killing) in the contrary, we pray god to forgive us and to lead us to the right path. 5. you can be who ever you wanna be and as a true Muslim i won't judge you and i will treat you as any other human being in this earth but don't ask us to twist the Quran in alignment with your choices
LordTenma “Just looking in the mirror right now ,wearing hijab not gonna lie ! I am LOVING being a muslim . if i died then live again ,i always wanted being a muslim .You only learning ISLAM only in youtube,media ,news.just only talk shit about us .They all lying . We muslims knows better what is wrong what is good.No matter what u said to us ,i still love u .😘😘 💪🏼💪🏼 .
Love Of kind my girlfriend and future wife is Muslim. And she's not my first relationship with a Muslim. I have a pretty good grasp of the ummah and your religion. Stop praising your religion, it doesn't deserve it.
in all honesty ... the Muslims are the only people who can vote in this topic have a none Muslims change something in Islam religion? gay and Muslim ? we all know it not possible edit: also, the first woman with hijab 18:08 did demolish his argument and they didn't let her finished and all he got to say is some pretty happy fairy tail words
ZCore Studio I agree they can’t just say in the Quran it says slavery was ok, but we are Muslims we know more about our religion than they do. You can’t just change something about our religion because you feel like it
Is it impossible to believe in Allah, having been socialised into muslim culture and being gay? - Yes. Is it up to you to decide what others identify as? - No.
@@EscargoTouChaud we are not changing his identity by choice, he can be Muslim and believe in homosexuality. But his question is "will the Muslim religion allow homosexuality?", and that is a no.. Mostly because the Muslim community does not believe in homosexuality.. And we are stating that being both is a sin in the Muslim religion.
Ariel Sagesse Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.This is the first and greatest commandment.And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
I love when i see non-Muslims start talking about Islam like they know what it is and they start changing it for their taste I didn't think that this comment will blow up like that and i want to clarify that if you want to be gay go and be like you want but don't say that you are doing nothing wrong and Islam didn't say anything about being gay like if you were in a community and they have specific rules and you break one of the rules and say to them i didn't do anything wrong
I love when i see Muslims start talking about Islam like it is a religion of peace and they start ignoring the perverted verses changing it for their taste.
The Prophet (PBUH) said: there will come a time where you will see much differing, when this happens, hold on to my Sunnah (path or way of life) and the Sunnah of my companions. because every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance leads to the hellfire. The reason these topics are coming up is that Muslims are not studying and following their religion anymore. The creator is the one who knows what is best for us as he created us. The same way if i created a car, i would know what its purpose is and what it has to do more than the car. we do not have the right to set our own standards. The only way to success is to follow the quran and the Sunnah the way the prophet and his companions did. Then, by allahs mercy we will enter paradise inshallah
When will people quit bending and twisting God’s laws to suit themselves and begin abiding by God’s laws? If God wanted us to live by our own laws and rules then He wouldn’t have outlined His own!
@@imranshamezai2522ah yes. This whole universe must of just spawned from nowhere straight into a functional universe. How logical of you Mr Atheist (Sarcasm)
I think Islam is very clear on the homosexuality. You can do your best to water the religion down as much as you like but Islam is not like christianity, the religion and its followers will maintain the status quo. Majid Nawaz is wrong about slavery. The Quran and the hadith make it explicitly clear that slavery is to be abolished and promotes the freeing of those in slavery over and over again.
That poll was the stupidest ever. What right do non Muslims watching the show have in saying it is OK for a Muslim to be gay? Ridiculous. May Allah reward the brother (Abdullah al Andalusi) and the 2 sisters that spoke and defended Islam.
@@thehonesttruth415 some of these scientists don't believe in God, so tell me, how can they do things that's pleases God the most high? I don't know what's your religion, but if you are a Christian you will surely fine verses that talked about how God destroys a whole town because of gay so how can someone who claims to believe in God and acts like this or even support them? These stories in the Holy books are not there for bed night stories but for us to learn them acts upon them so that we can get closer to God. The honest truth, Islam forbids gay so we can not support them, there is a saying in Islam which says don't hate the one that sins rather hate the sin. We don't hate them but the life style of them I hope you understand this.
Not really, Islam is famous for being intolerant (of pretty much everything) there's no redeeming it without massive reformation, but she did make a valid point: You can't choose not to be gay, you're born that way, but you can, if you feel the call to Faith, choose your religion, so why choose one where your sexuality is deeply offensive and forbidden? Seems like sado-masochism to me.
*why choose one where your sexuality is deeply offensive and forbidden?* Because he was raised AS a muslim from before he could think. It's deeply ingrained as a core part of him. He's a cultural muslim. Trying to deprogram people and break them free from childhood brainwashing and indoctrination is EXTREMELY difficult, if not impossible. It's why I'm strongly opposed to parents raising their kids AS a theist. Religion is something you should shelter children from until they're old enough to think and decide for themselves.
Because even leaving Islam can lead to social isolation and death. It's very easy for you and me to give advice. The people who are facing this are really screwed.
Kopp203 : so based on that girl's point,,shouldnt this liberty be given to everyone born on the earth. Inside or outside muslim community. Then why is there mass forceful conversion to Islam.. then why death sentence to those who want to leave Islam and this is as per their sharia law...shouldnt everybody given choice!!
The veil was worn by Prostitutes in early Arabic society, many of whom were among the wives of the first followers, the tradition stuck, as those prostitutes had children who followed the attire.
So anything that prostitutes does are bad? They breathe - should we stop breathing? They eat - should we stop eating then? Also prostitutes are human being as well. I don't judge them. At least they are minding their own business and making money, instead of you doing nothing like you (and me) and commenting here.
Maybe all the time? Look no further than the late 20th century where the UK abolished the criminality associated with homosexual acts. But maybe you don't agree with that. Fine - what about the abolishment of slavery? Minimum age to work? Minimum pay? Abolishment of segregation based on race? Women allowed to drive in Saudi? Laws change, and even when they do exist, there is certainly room to navigate, debate and change. That's why we have courts and systems of justice. Sure it's not legal to break the law, but that doesn't mean we can't change it if the collective judgment provides a convincing argument against it. The inability to rationalise and accept the fact that humans will inevitably continue to develop new perspectives is the root cause of conventional islamic notions' incompatibility with the modern world. On the flip side, not all "new perspectives" are always justified in the modern world. This is the reason why we need to have more rational and logic driven debate, instead of a one-size fits all rule for all time, regardless if you are religious or not. The more you understand philosophy and utilise critical thinking, instead of just blatantly accept what you were 'taught', the more you can appreciate what religion truly is.
@@daringwrinchester absolutely not the same. Laws are open to change and are dynamic, religion is not that. Hence why laws can be changed with the time as they are man made, whereas religion is from God, hence is not dynamic (by order of the humans) because God is perfect and we are imperfect, hence we cannot change religious laws like we can laws of a country
"im gay and a muslim" im a lesbian and christian" as an atheist that just makes me cringe! thats an oxymoron! you're contradicting yourself every walking day by doing so the bible and the quran make their feeling clear about homosexuality. will god let you have a gay relationship in heaven?! i doubt it
Thank u!!! Little do these Homosexuals realise this discussions seems like more of a propaganda being played out to exploit them rather than help them gain acceptance
Tee Tee In no way form or shape did i mention all muslims. What i did was point out the ones that, either lie regarding discrimination against homosexuality, or the ones that are openly discriminating. I have no problem in pointing out corruption, regardless of where it comes from. But i dont see how that would excuse the behaviour i just mentioned.
***** You made a good point, especially about religious people hypocritical attitude, I was having a discussion with ministry members about child molestation neglected cases that happen in the church why some church Christians shy away from this subject, some even turning a blind eye to abuse that happens, so I agree Muslim should actually help those who feel rejected and sympathise with them but people don't have to take part in something because its popular, some Christians won't drink or go to the club that doesn't make them stuck up
Tee Tee Indeed. And its so easy to point out the stupidity aswell. Anyone who defends the islamic word against homosexuality, because they claim you cant cherry pick, or interpret the doctrine, would allso have to say that sexual intercourse with 9 year olds is fine in Islam. The perfect muslim, Muhammad did just that. Muslims who actually thinks thats okay, just proves Steven Weinbergs famous quote. "To get otherwise good people to do evil things, you need religion".
***** You just mentioned 'Religions' are pretty hypocritical, another thing is the Muslilms who are homophobic should look at other issues such as why a women has to be covered yet they can wear as they please, I wonder why people still don't change after being confronted with facts.
+ Kyle Smit You can't "interpret" everything about a religion. You can't interpret Hinduism without karma for example. Or you can't interpret Jewdaism without the ten commandments.
the only nonsense was in the room was Maajid, he talking about something he has no knowledge of. I must say Salaam to brother Abdullah and other two sisters... this is endless fight for Islam and we need to be keep fighting...
More power to these two muslim ladies who stood tall for the Hukam of Allah swt and did not fear the mockery and animosity of the opposite side. May Allah swt grant them istaqamat and be pleased with them
@@ArchyPWhilst there are gullible fools that believe in mythological gods,there will always be strife,as each religion claims they are the true one.There is no proof,nor is there ever likely to be any proof of mythological gods.
Lol why fight and debate now. Just wait when they die then in the grave they realise then end of the world, they answer. Tada problem resolved. People will come up with any kind of excuse to justify what they want no matter whether the quran or god says it. It's just the way it is. Honestly saying that views are outdated is an extremely weak argument. It's not even a view it's a FACT. U cannot just change the rules.
You could also say current day Saudi Arabia, which still appears to be stuck in the 7th century (although granted, they closed the last slave markets 50 years ago so they've progressed to the 7.5th century since then)
Yeah, me, as an necrophile and into beastiality, I have question for society, when will be ok for me to come out of the closet and spread love openly hmm? It's all about love! I love the dead bodies I have sex with and I love the animals I boink. We live in the 21st century afterall. Naudubilah.
This was one of the signs of the day of judgement. As a child I thought it was crazy that the world could change like that but now seeing Muslims having a debate about whether the sins of Prophet's Lut's Nation can be made acceptable is scary.
As a christian, I think it's absurd to think that Islam allows homosexual acts considering how clearly it is opposed in the Koran. It's the same thing as people who say that christians can support it, despite the New and Old Testament being crystal clear. If you want to live that way go ahead but don't say that the religion supports it, even atheists would agree that's stupid.
nunyabiznes nunyabiznes hm well i think you don’t really know any of the religions that you stated huh? When you want to gain knowledge about a belief or religion, PLEASE I BEG YOU go and do your own research on the books of the religions instead of just relying on Google all the time. It’s not good for your brain actually 🤷🏻♂️
I agree i mean u can be gay or lesbian idk but dont say ur religion support it cuz when u die u r the only one who is going to be asked about it And I respect what the women dud say but the way that they express the opinions made it look a bit harsh thing like this are sensitive and need to calm down Im muslim and i have a friend like that but i dont go and say to there face u r not muslim its not my business Im not god Im not allah
It's BBC pro-Muslim propoganda. ISIS aren't chucking gays off buildings with their hands tied for lolz, they're doing it because Allah commands it. This is just deflection and an attempt to promote "moderate" Islam, when western Wahabbi Islam is anything but moderate. There is no such thing as moderate Islam. The entire political_ideology_that_masquerades_as_a_religion is about all about oppression, death, slavery and regression to antiquated beliefs and ways of life.
I kinda wish progressive religious people, like Maajid Nawaz, would stop using "reinterpret" as a euphemism for "reject." They reject the tenents of the faith. Many progressive interpretations in several faiths seems extremely dishonest. Why can't the religious say "my holy book says this, and i reject it". That would gain them much more respect.
@@SimpleReally So true. If Nawaz is actually rejecting core tenets of Islam and denying passages from the Quran then he's not a Muslim. "Reforming" Islam is like a direct contradiction to everything Islam stand for.
You can choose to be gay and be a muslim its just like saying you are a sinful muslim but you are still a muslim its like being a muslim but you listen to music which isnt allowed in islam.its a major sin to be gay but youre still are a muslim but however in islam if you believe the rules that say you cant be gay isnt true then you are on the verge of not being muslim if you are gay and muslim and you accept that you arnt supposed to be gay you're better than someone who is gay but denies it being prohibited however the 1st person is someone called a fasik = sinner he sins but is 100% still a muslim but a not so good one
Haris-T3 hey, sorry i felt commenting on ur comment. Basically when a muslim person listens to music they know they sinning, hence they dont beome disbeliver. but if they say music is not haram, they directly going against the word of god which makes them a disbeliever, so if ur gay for example and u know its prohibited in islam, ur best option is to keep it to urself and keep practising the religion, but if u say i am gay n i wanna be accepted n arguing its halal, u going directly against the word of god which makes u a disbliever cuz u challenging his authority becuz he clearly stated in the quran its prohibited. I feel sorry for that poor Asif guy but he knows its wrong and he was avoiding to talk about it when that hijab girl quoted the verse in the quran.he said ' i am not here to talk about that' So yeah its all about following the teaches n if u sin, dont be proud of it Peace to u brother
@Sleep Walker explains why you chose your name sleep walker 🤣 it makes sense to the rest of the sane and right in the head people here, they may not agree but it makes sense to them
The young woman who says that anyone gay chooses to be Muslim needs to get her head examined. Because a lot of people don't choose to be born into the culture or religious background they're born to. They don't get that choice, whether they turn their back on the Muslim faith or not.
that girl who told him the truth without beating around the bush deserves a standing ovation, masha allah may allah bless the sister for not fearing to speak the truth. in a Time of Universal Deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act-George Orwell
Except that her mannerism as a Muslim was disappointing. People like her is why people think Muslims are hateful and intolerant, because we don't know how to express ourselves without going off the deep end and ranting and raving instead of engaging in conversation civilly.
@Subarashii Ningen I disagree. He literally said "I'm not here to talk about that one ayah" which is literally proof that it's not allowed to be gay in Islam.. so him rejecting the proof makes him lose the argument
@Subarashii Ningen when the woman Gave her point about Islam prohibiting sexual intercourse between the same gender, Asif said he doesn't care about the ayah.
In the last I wanna say may Allah show the right path to u brother may Allah give u the ability to understand what u doing is wrong not who u r what you feelings r ameen
and muslims say islam is a religion of tolerance. plz. don't say such a thing. it is a mockery of reality and nature of things. your words are inconsistent with your action. it's a shame. Action speaks louder than words.
logic, if you are Muslim you believe there is one God. That God created you in his image (meaning he created you in his own vision; the best of creation). God is omnipotent, which means he knows all and sees all, including what you are from the beginning to the end of your life. God in the Quran, prohibits homosexuality, which means if you believe that being born homosexual is a possibility than you also believe that God predestined you for hellfire. Therefore you cannot be Muslim if you are gay, as it states in literally beginning with every surah in the Quran that God is the most merciful bi-smi llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm.
This argument doesn't make any sense. You say they can't be born gay because being gay is wrong and you no one is born wrong (i agree with that). But how do you know that being gay is wrong? That's not an argument you just trying to proof one unproofen statements with another unproofen statement. We don't know if people are born gay. We need to find this out first (in a scientific way because this is the only way that would work here). If they are born gay than there is no doubt that being gay is okay because God doesn't make any mistakes. If they aren't born gay it doesn't tell us anything because I can turn into a better person and do good things throughout my whole life. I can change and still be a good person so I can also turn gay and still be a good human being.
If god plans your life then you being gay was port of the plan. and if he'' created you in his own vision'' then you are perfect or you were when you were borne and if you were made gay then that is the way you are made to be. and I do not think that god would make you to just send you to hell if so then you are basically saying that god is unjust!!!
Then if you think your statement is true and you think “God has created every human with his own vision and sees through all of our actions” then why is life on earth even a thing? Why are we not already either in heaven or hell as you believe? Why has god made gay people’s mindsets to believe that they’re gay when he could’ve easily just made it that they don’t do these major sins and set them to right path to heaven? Why is the whole planet not Muslim? It just doesn’t make sense. Your statement is invalid and just shows me that we’re either puppets under God’s control or that god just doesn’t exist.
@@luckyjacket3896 because its the choices that people make in their lifes. We believe that everyone is born as a muslim but later they become a Christian or something else. And it's the choices that people make in life what brings them in hell or heaven.
I felt very disrespected when that catholic men said that Islam is all about rules and no love. I respect you as a Catholic and I don't judge you and your belief but when you said it has nothing to do with love but rules, I felt disrespected. I love allah and his messenger and I will follow all my rules and love God, I love God and Islam has everything to do with love as well, no one is forcing you to do anything. That guy guy can be guy but he has to admit that he is committing a sin and that on the day of judgment he will have to answer allah why he committed that sin. I respect catholic people or any religion rules but Please think before you say anything about other people religions.
Sami ahmed he doesn’t represent us Christian, he can speak for himself. In Christianity it’s the same, it’s wrong and people are trying to cherry pick.
Abdalla was trying to explain them what's mainstream Islamic perspective on the topic, but his apponents didn't want to listen and preferred to stick to the misconceptions that suit their own agenda.
Am I the only one who thinks that these verses and hadiths dont need an interpretation? Surah 3, Verse 32: Say, "Obey Allah and the Messenger." But if they turn away - then indeed, Allah does not like the disbelievers. Surah 3, Verse 132: And obey Allah and the Messenger that you may obtain mercy. Surah 4, Verse 13: These are the limits [set by] Allah , and whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger will be admitted by Him to gardens [in Paradise] under which rivers flow, abiding eternally therein; and that is the great attainment. Surah 4, Verse 14: And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger and transgresses His limits - He will put him into the Fire to abide eternally therein, and he will have a humiliating punishment. Surah 4, Verse 42: That Day, those who disbelieved and disobeyed the Messenger will wish they could be covered by the earth. And they will not conceal from Allah a [single] statement. Surah 4 Verse 47 O you who were given the Scripture, believe in what We have sent down [to Muhammad], confirming that which is with you, before We obliterate faces and turn them toward their backs or curse them as We cursed the sabbath-breakers. And ever is the decree of Allah accomplished. Abu Dawud (4462) sunnah.com/abudawud/40/112 The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, "Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot (homosexuality), execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.". sunnah.com/abudawud/40/113 - "If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death." Bukhari (72:774) - "The Prophet cursed effeminate men (those men who are in the similitude (assume the manners of women) and those women who assume the manners of men, and he said, 'Turn them out of your houses .' The Prophet turned out such-and-such man, and 'Umar turned out such-and-such woman. al-Tirmidhi, Sunan 1:152 - [Muhammad said] "Whoever is found conducting himself in the manner of the people of Lot, kill the doer and the receiver."
I have to agree with the girl here. Why would you call yourself a Muslim if you were gay when you know for a fact that it's prohibited in Islam? It's not your choice to be gay, but it's your choice to be Muslim. So if you want to become one, you have to abide by the rules and not try to change or alter them to suit your situation. Islam comes with the whole package; you either take it all, or drop it. There's no middle ground or selective cherry-picking. What I don't understand here is why they are trying to "invent" another version of Islam? The Qur'an specifically says that homosexuality is strictly forbidden. If you're a homosexual, Islam is not for you. Plain and simple.
The best point was that you cant bend the rules in Islam to fit your needs and then try getting everyone to accept and follow that aswell. Doesn't work that way mate. The guys a lost soul 🤦🏻♂️
Muslim Artist but you bend the rules all the time you follow hadiths and identify yourself as a specific Muslim based on hadiths which were written 300 years after our prophet. You call yourself Sunni or Shia or salafi or wahabbi etc... based on hadiths and not Quran. This is fact. You identity as a Muslim is based on what Hadith you believe in which hadiths were written 300 years after the prophet. You follow hearsay and idolize these stories and men who wrote them hundreds of years after Quran which is what we believe is Allah’s message. You go to an iman instead of reading the Quran yourself. You bend the rules and you and millions of Muslims are divided because of these hadiths. Don’t you see ? Don’t you hear? Don’t you understand? Read Quran brother wake up
In a Ayah of Al Quraan it says you can't be a gay. And in another surah it says if you don't believe in any single Ayah from Al Quraan you are considered as not a Muslim to the God. So please sister and brother don't argue with them about that because in their pronoun they know that they are not conceded as Muslim to the God.
My question is to Gays & Muslims. How could you actually love the God & worship him and have faith with, and you are not even proud of the way God created you? So isn’t God knows why he created you a man? Being gay is big discrimination between you & God because you don’t appreciate that the way God created you.
lol true, I do miss that brilliantly silver tongued bastard xD I really do need to remember to pour out a glass of johnny walker black label next April 13th ^_^
Even I have read enough of the Qu'ran, to know that homosexuality is forbidden. I don't even understand how this is a debate. If you believe that the Qu'ran is the literal word of god, and he has forbidden homosexuality, how can expect others who believe that too, to accept you for as a muslim, for defying god? I'm an atheist, so I have no dog in that fight, but it seems pointless to start with to me.
+Sokar i appropriate your respect and that is why we say knowledge is power,you are open minded person who understands what is going around the world not the people whose takes what the media tells him .as Muslims if the gay/lesbian is non-Muslim Christian&Jews&atheist&Buddhism&hindusam its up to him whether he live a Muslim country or not and even we can not criticize him.thanks ones again
corsinivideos Religion needs to go as a whole mate :P But no the problem is, that only like what we tell ourselves, a large portion of moderate muslims, believe all the same things extremists believe, they just don't want to fight with violence to achieve it. They instead opt for standing by, and letting the islamists, both violent and non-violent, push for the changes for them.
+Sokar Absolutely, this just makes no sense to me either, i would be shocked if it turned out most Muslims thought being Muslim and gay i ok. Being looked at the wrong way round completely, yes you were born gay and that cant be changed, you were born into a faith that opposes it, realize that its the faith that needs to be abandoned not the mainstream interpretation.
***** I haven't deleted that comment. Its right above you. Where do you see me saying I hate homosexuals? Considering I don't, I think it'll be hard for you to prove this :P Also what does the fact, that most modern feminists, multiculturists, and marxists are atheist, has to do with me thinking their ideas are toxic and harmful? All three ideologies promote bad ideas, and use bunk science to do it. Modern feminism and marxists using made up statistics, advocating for a; guilty until prove innocent, legal adaption, and multiculturists ignoring the harm being done in their country, because of their self hatred (Sweden is an excellent example). Worst of all, any criticism of their ideas, however rooted in science that criticism might be, is instant labeled misogynistic, racist, or offensive. They have no arguments, and use loaded words in order to avoid debate. Honest people change their minds in light of evidence, and modern feminists, multiculturists, and marxists, generally don't. As such I view them (for the most part) as dishonest groups, trying to push an harmful ideologies, the same way religion tries to push its ideology.
+Sokar The problem was the same in christianity. Christians have a lot of rules that they don't follow anymore because they changed the interpretation. Christians could not eat pork too, and christian women should wear a veil and should not be in a higher position than any man. But they changed their view on these things even if the book says otherwise. So the problem is always the interpretation. We can imagine a scale from "literal" to "metaphorical", and in the middle we can find a infinite number of shades of interpretation. Christians have fought for centuries about this stuff. Muslim are debating too, but I don't see any agreement about that. So we must admit that there are different interpretations of the Qu'ran. This leads to two possible endings: one idea prevails and muslims around the world will follow one and only one interpretation (literal or metaphorical, I cannot predict this), or they just give up, decide to split and to form mutiple "churches" and every single "church" will have its own interpretaion. In this last scenario I see the chance for a gay person to identify as muslim, because nobody will be able to forbid a "church" to read the Qu'ran in a very metaphorical way, enough to accept homosexuality. Until then, one can still call himself gay and muslim, but the word "muslim" contains people that are against homosexuality, and this person will not be accepted by other muslims. As an atheist I see this as a complete waste of time, that we could spend researching useful things like a cure to cancer or a solution to third world problems. But hey, religious people seem to have much fun debating about which god has the longer dick, I don't want to interrupt their amusement!
Masha Allah respected brother Abdullah al Andalusi, I'm really proud of you, you said your bit accordingly, its very difficult to control oneself in a intense atmosphere dealing with a serious top in front of ignorant people...
Delan, isn’t the difference that veganism has a formal definition, while muslim just means ‘one who submits to God’. I don’t think the Quran says: ‘if you’re gay you’re not muslim’.
Islam and the Quran is also a way of life, how does one submit? My following its teachings. But at any rate anyone can call themselves a muslim, even murderers and rapist, but then to tell other muslims to accept them as the norm is a whole other story.
@@samiaziz58 yes. Mainstream media, music, movies etc (which influence the masses)... lacks moral values and promotes immorality.. absolutely. Do you need proof? 🤔
We are all sinners but what is Haram is Haram which is why Allah says we should ask for forgiveness when we sin. If you are gay be gay but forcing us to say being gay is allow is just wrong.
I am a Christian, and having sex with the same gender is forbidden in the Bible. But a person shouldn't be judged by actions that doesn't affect or influence others. He has every right to reciprocate to his feelings as long as it doesn't harm others and as long as its lawful. We are all sinners, and if any doctrine teaches us to hate, then we need to reconsider the doctrine and analyse our thoughts and beliefs.
Last time I checked Islam was established as a religion to counter the preachings of Christianity and Judaism, not to discriminate against homosexuality.
AS A MUSLIM I'd like to say that according to islam, no one has the right to judge another person. Doing so is considered to be doing Allah's job. Also, we all sin. You cannot tell me I am not a muslim because i sin differently than you.
I think your intentions are well meant but the fact is that Islam does give men the right to judge other men by application of shariah. That's the whole purpose of the shariah so we can implement God's law on earth and in order to that we would have Islamic courts to judge wrongdoing. Judges themselves may well be great sinners but the enforcing of God's law, as written, is the only thing that's important.
I really hate the dodging of the question that religious advocates always pull whenever confronted about whether or not homosexuality is acceptable in their communities, always saying that they do not judge homosexuals, merely the act of engaging in sex. That is absurd, sex is an integral component to most relationships, and to create a dichotomy of love and sex is totally unreasonable. Likewise, I feel that gay people need to quit expecting religions with tenets specifically prohibiting homosexuality, whether you want to categorize that as love or just sex, to accept them. Religious adherents should be expected to follow laws prohibiting them from oppressing homosexuals, but they cannot be expected to betray their faith.
Precisely. The religious need to understand that they can't possibly comprehend a supreme being's proclivities. Also, homosexuals need to shed the urge to be accepted into groups that don't respect them.
***** Actually the very nature of their faith is often that their god has told them exactly what he expects of them, so they naturally have a right to claim they understand such.
***** Religious people, or religions? The distinction is important, because that is a factor that makes religious people irrational (at least in this regard), but has little bearing on their overall intelligence.
A “gay muslim” doesn’t exist. Those two thing do not coincide in any way whatsoever. If you are gay, you are going against Islam totally. People say it’s not a choice and it’s the way you were born, but then religion is a choice, and if in that religion it is forbidden, then why follow it. You are just setting yourself up for sinning. As a Muslim, you are not meant to say who can and cannot he muslim because it’s not your place to deny people’s religion, however this show is called Freespeech and you have the freedom of speech to not personally accept a gay person into Islam. He said his parents were fine with it and that’s completely wrong on their half. They are sinning almost as bad as he is as they are allowing the gift god blessed them with to go down a bad path and go astray. The muslim community will never accept that and that’s all there is to it. In conclusion, you cannot by principle be gay and muslim and thats just the facts. This is coming from a 14 year old who doesn’t want to offend anyone but would like to get things completely straight (no pun intended)
The irony is certain people feel they can dictate to us our own religion. It's like saying to an atheist you are still an atheist if you believe in God....that lady from the Dragon's den would benefit from reading the Quran, I hope the MDI invites her to one of their events. As for Anjem, I mean Maajid...he is rolling in money, well "our money", well maybe these days the money isn't rolling in as much as he states "no longer government funded", or is that just another ploy.
OMG!!! In the jahiliya period there was slavery but the prophet and his sahabas didn't condone that. I learnt that in school under a tree somewhere in Kenya. So disappointed with the guy pretending to be a learned Muslim. And if you know Islam you'll know that covering ur face is optional in Islam. Even when praying (in front of Allah BTW) we don't cover our face. We do cover everywhere else though
That’s not his point. His point was that there are Muslim groups who do consider it to be prohibited to not cover the face and for a woman to speak openly to men
Well.. But being Muslim is not really a choice as well... You are born into a family which usually has a Religion and will force that religion onto their child. So sure you can stop believing and it therefore might be a choice, but this makes the whole issue much more complicated.
@@k.o.5666 To be fair the moment a human being is born into the world, he is inevitably institutionalized into the environment and norms of the place he is born in. You can't change this concept at all. The moment this human grows up and becomes aware as he/she enters adolescence and adulthood is where the game starts
@@themercifulguard3971 somehow yh, but your still heavily influenced by your childhood. Its not that once you turn 17 or so you start at 0 again and become who you want to be.
@@k.o.5666 Well yeah obviously. That's why we should promote critical thinking regardless of what values your nation promotes. Cuz at least you can have people who search for truth genuinely
+149musicfan no you can't, it's in the genes. It's like homosexuality, you'll likely find out if you're a bigot some time in your lifetime, just like gays. However some non-bigots don't realize they'll be more happy living as bigots for their entire lives, just like sum ppl don't realize or can't come to terms with their homosexuality
+cman2223 You could not be more wrong. You're negative comments towers me are coming from a place of ignorance and hatred. You assume that I was the same person that I was before, only I became an atheist. This can't be further from the truth. I hate my old self. That version of me is dead. I was very bitter and confused. I was judgmental. I have changed for the better. This wasn't an over night change that happen. The irony here is that most of my friends are religious, and I have the utmost respect for these people. I'm not close minded at all. I don't hate anyone. I just hate ignorance. Never assume. You have no idea who I am based on the statement I made. All I meant by that statement is that being an atheist helps you not be a bigoted asshole. It doesn't mean that all religious people are assholes or bigots
It's funny how everyone wants to interpret Islam according to how it suits them, if you believe in Islam and want to be a part of the religion you cannot change the rules, you cannot say that I will abide by certain rules and exclude others. If you want to be a Muslim you follow what the Qur-an says because we believe the Qur-an is the words of Allah himself. If you don't believe that then you aren't a Muslim.
alex ojideagu The Quran does say that slavery is permitted but it is not the kind of slavery you have in mind, it's not the racists oppressive type, it's the type that allows a person to repay their debts and choose to be enslaved for a certain time period until the debt is paid. Also this day and age slavery isn't common any more and it doesn't need to be practised. The things that Allah has forbade cannot be change unless you're in a life threatening situation and have no choice. I understand that some people have homosexual emotions that they can't control, its inevitable but it is not the emotions that it haram but acting upon those emotions and performing homosexual acts that's what is prohibited.
+CanisLupus TITAN Well according to the Quran a Slave Owner can have SEX with their slave women without marriage. And this is exactly what ISIS is doing right now to women, raping them. ISIS are just obeying the Quran. Yet most people do not think that is acceptable.
Sorry but Islam is about love and not just rules. We follow thoses rules because we love Allah azwajal, we love the creation of Allah because we love and fear Allah azwajal If the creation want's to go against the rules of Allah azawajal, that's up to the creation. But then it also has to face facts that it will attain those rewards in line with its niyat. And Allah azwajal is the most forgiving and merciful. Allah azawajal is the master of the day of judgement; and reserves the right to judge alone. May Allah azwajal forgive my sins comitted knowingly or unknowing (Ameen)
judging by your comments i think your damaged and twisted. May Allah give you true guidance in all your affairs {Ameen). As for our beloved prophet Allah azwajal commanded in the Noble Quuran that we love him; and send salawat upon him just as Allah azwajal loves the beloved prophet and sends salutations on him. so do his angels and other prophets right down to Jesus.
i think what ypur describing is the european slave trade. Slavery was abholished in ARABIA with the advent of the NOBLE Prophet salalahualaihewasallam. as for mutalatioon this is ignorant cultural practice. Incidently abortion is also a form of mutalation of the feotus/child.
Yeah didn't Mohammed marry and fuck a 6 year old called Aisha in your Quran? Loads of Muslims have married kids in the past because of that. You fuck kids and treat your older women like slaves, love truly is blind.
ANTIJPUG Slavery was never abolished in Islam and it's still in practice today in many Muslims countries in Africa and even Saudi Arabia. Your NOBAL Prophet was a slave trader himself. You need to read your Hadiths. "The Prophet said, 'The freed slave belongs to the people who have freed him.'" Bukhari (80:753) Muhammad sells a slave for money. He was thus a slave trader. Bukhari (34:351) A woman is rebuked by Muhammad for freeing a slave girl. The prophet tells her that she would have gotten a greater heavenly reward by giving her to a relative (as a slave) Bukhari (47.765)
ANTIJPUG NONSENSE and don't lie, as you delude ONLY yourself and show us your childish ignorance/dishonesty islam HASNT abolished slavery…it allows it to this very day you dribble about a purported allah, lie that islam is about love, then tell me Im damaged and twisted lol…no doubt you also believe koran has no errors in it or changes made to it lol….and that the moon split and mohammed flew on a winged horse up to a heaven noble prophet…the dirty prick mohammed was hated/loathed by MOST in his day, but controlled by killing…he was a pedo/rapist/necrophile/liar/thief/crossdresser/slave taker/sicko deviant and MURDERER of innocents…and you are so 'damaged/ignorant' you want to think such denotes noble LOL
well yes people have different views and if you're referring to the community leader they were annoyed cus he didn't answer the question properly, but once he gave his answer, they liked it.
The guy states "when are Muslims going to accept..." If the law says you have the same rights, you can't be discriminated against why do you need someone's approval to validate your life. His mom and friends accept him isn't that enough or do we need laws that tell people what they can and think.
There are two ways that people interpret what he meant, it's either. 1. He's afraid that someone will attack or discriminate him, trust me, it happens, it's Islam we're talking about here. 2. He's an insecure lil entitled unfaithful brat that loves two-timing (Muslim and gay)
he wants the religion to change to suit his desire, feelings. The religion is not based on one or two peoples feelings. It provides objective morality.
a5amr2 one or two people’s feelings. Hmmm. So are you saying there are only one or two homosexual people in the world or Muslim? Just to straight forward. Either of those are untrue. Just sayin’.
SoulWatcher72 There's much much less gays than straight people and a whole ideology will not completely change for a couple of people. This is what's wrong with gay people. They want the whole world to change their beliefs which can never be possible. His family and friends accept him. That should be enough.
I loved Abdullah al Andalusi's responses. He was true to his faith. the Muslim ladies weren't that knowledgeable
Urwa Shahid E ikr Islam said your against it when u act like the other gender not for being gay
@@wut462 you are absolutely right
Sneha Mondal how to let people dislike Islam
This is the video
Like Islam illegals the action not the heart feeling
I’m Muslim my self but what I hate when people knowledge is low and they speak from there selfs
@@wut462 Actually gays were not allowed in this religion and the 2 women were completely correct. Muslims follow the quran and the Quran tells us exactly what happens to gays (story of lud) so that is why it is not excepted. I'm sorry but what more proof do people need? If he wants to be gay good for him but he wont be acknowledged as a muslim.
These people would literally clap at anything...
+HebrewLife People clap to show their support for an idea without needing to add to the background chatter. It's not stupid, it's efficient in the discourse of an open debate involving so many people.
***** I just think that if you agree with a million contrasting ideas in a split second, it's a bit fishy
HebrewLife The same people aren't clapping all the time. If you look closely, some people are clapping at at he conclusion of some statements and others are clapping at the conclusion of others. Some few may clap for two because they find and acknowledge some truth in what their opponent may say.
+HebrewLife *clap clap clap*
+HebrewLife you should search the episode where they had the guy from the edl in the audience, he said that he had received death threats, and this ginourmous cunt on the panel quickly responded "well dont be racist then" and this comment was met with rapturous applause from the audience. as though credible death threats from islamists were an appropriate response to the right the show is supposed to be named after, and the host did nothing about it.
the show is basically a north london im-leftier-than-thou arena
Half the people that voted are probably not Muslim 😂
That's what I am thinking about.
More than half
Youssef6840 of course not.
thats what im talking about
Almost every one! No muslim would ever think of homosexuality!
The Prophet Muhammed [PBUH] said, *“Verily, what I fear most for my nation is the deed of the people of Lot.”*
Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 1374
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Suyuti
May Allah swt bless you
Was this before or after he shagged a 9 year old?
Your prophet had a very low IQ.
Prophet Muhammed also marrying 6 years old, what a role model he is.
The problem is Hadith are unreliable
Person: blinks
Audience: claps
Do they get paid to clap and everything lol
iSharkJawz I don’t want to watch the whole thing can you give me the seconds.
Strange, isn't it? Seems the audience is "nicely" chosen to cheer the mainstream point of view and show to the telespectators a fake popular opinion disguised as true. Very dangerous!
Pathetic...they're like seals clapping for fish...makes me cringe its straight from the american playbook...not worth watching
It takes two straights to make a gay the world over.
In 100% seriousness there are people that get paid to sit in an audience and clap at every opportunity
Satan is just sitting here sipping his tea proud of what he's created. LOL.
ZamnItzFay That’s hilarious
Tru lol
😂😂😂😂
may be there is no god but only Satan and he is playing with us. We make a good show for him a never ending tv show.
What has he created and how?
Next week on the show *"CAN YOU BE A VEGETARIAN AND EAT MEAT"*
Best reply ever god bless
Good one mate
moneymatic You're comparing apples to oranges, though, because the definition of vegetarian is universally agreed. But there are lots of different religions and different denominations within those - so you can't really say 'this is the way it is and always will be'.
CAN YOU BE A ATHEIST AND BELIEVE IN GOD
Can you covet your adopted sons wife and claim to be a Prophet following the laws given to Moses?
stay tuned next week for "Can I be jewish and a Nazi?"
Daniel Curry
You can, many Jews allied with the Nazis. Read history
Daniel Curry the answer is, sure. That's happened before.
Exactlyyyyyy broooo, that's what it seems like here omg. And people would say SURE, why not.
I can't stop laughing!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Goldberg
Stay tuned for next week "Can I Be vegan And Eat meat"
Only if she’s in bed with her husband
Lol Haha
@@amigaamigo5307 lol kiled it
yes. theres a company "Beyond meat". that gives you vegan meats. haha . dont forget everyone sins during his life. no one is perfect.
Meme Prankz that’s a bad comparison ... vegan means you don’t want to eat any kind of animal products for any kind of interest (you’re against animal cruelty or for diet). Being Muslim means you submit to Allah and you follow the teachings. Allah is merciful, he will forgive him. He’s not doing anything bad, but Allah says a woman and a man should get together (to generalize it). The opinion on gay people is very complex and not easy to understand in the Quran. Half of the LGBT supporters are religious lol.
So because your dad and mum have accepted your deviancy,so Islam should bend to your desires?inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi rajiun.
Ismail Owino mashallah
Ismail Owino to Allah we belong and to him we shall return
Irishtradchannel LOOOOL so ur just going to make lies on the spot, atleast use ur brain when u like tf
Irishtradchannel Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) married Ayesha the thing is they never had any sexual contact, it was an arranged marraige that anyone would be grateful to have but never where did they live together until she grew up and even then he didnt have sexual contact with her so get ur facts str8
@pleznt808 Go wash your mouth with soap😒
There should be a Muslim scholar on the panel
Jesus said: Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
Matthew 15:17-20 KJV
bible.com/bible/1/mat.15.17-20.KJV
These people on the panels seem to be uneducated about the Quran and aren’t providing solid facts. These people try to manipulate others and they tried to make them change their Muslim lifestyle. Subhanallah
Oxymoron right there:
Muslim Scholar LOLOLOl
Ustade Al Andalusi is her
Why? Did you know that hadiths were written 300 years after the prophet and that Muslims identify themselves as Sunni Shia salafi wahabbi etc... based on what Hadith they believe instead of reading Quran studying it and reflecting on it. You don’t need a sheik you need to see hear and understand the words of your Creator stop believing what you hear sto following hearsay stories written by men stop placing hadiths next to the word of Allah. This ummah is divided into sects and all because of false stories idolizing what Muhammad said. The only Hadith that is real is Quran.
Next week: “is it ok to be Christian and Atheist at the same time”.
No
Irrelevant comparison. A boy can be brought up in a muslim family and, like all others, adopt their attitudes and faith, believe in Allah and identify as muslim, and then find out he's gay. The fact that he's gay does not atomatically erase what he believes in. What do you have to say to that (if you can keep up with this mysterious thing called logical argumentation)?
EscargoTouChaud it sure as hell will kill his ass
Albert Joseph well that’s just dumb
EscargoTouChaud if you’re gonna embrace living as a gay, then choose NOT to be a muslim. What’s so hard about it? It’s like I go around the world and complain why me as a boy can join GIRLscout when it’s clearly stated that the rule is you need to be a girl to join it. See how stupid it is?
Bring some real muslim scholars into these debates instead of debating with people who don't have as much of knowledge as scholars.
Have you ever listened to Muslim scholars, they’re more hard line than any of these people. They preach nothing but hatred of non Muslims. I mean just look at all the gays in Saudi Arabia smh.
@123dont tryme Not all are selfish. If you look at their lifestyles, you can see that they don't live lavishly. They live with the fear of god.
@@ideologicduck I dont know who you watch, but muslim scholars are god fearing. They never preach hatred. You think they are harsh because the bring solid proof while others just push their opinion.
Right boss
Yap... Dr. Zakir Naik will be best choice
What is Haram is haram.
End of story
What is haram is haram even if everyone's doing it
Can someone be an alcoholic and be a Muslim?
@NONYA Business
Yes in certain situation.
'Love' is haram when you engage in sex outside of marriage. Similarly, 'love' is haram if you express that with a person of similar gender. Dont sugar coat things hun.
Yacine it’s not allowed in Islam and is haram. That’s all.
Yacine and my Religion is a beautiful religion. God sent us the holy Quran to guide us to the straight path. God had prohibited us to do wrong deeds.
Actually you can be muslim and gay, but bear in mind it's a major sin in Islam
It's not our job to exclude anyone from Islam because of their sins but at the same time you can't boast there and demand that the rules of Islam change to accord your own desires !
@@abdallahibrahim8846 based on your argument, you and me both aren't Muslims since we're both sinners.
@@salifusadat3002 nope you're wrong i am not a sinner
@@salifusadat3002 I did some sins but I am trying to correct them
@@abdallahibrahim8846 you did "some" sins but you're not a sinner. How convenient for you to say. Let me ask you this question, will u ever engage in same sex act? If no then why do you think someone will deliberately choose to be gay?
@@abdallahibrahim8846 I do pray and hope you correct your sins by apologizing to the one you've wronged or ask for forgiveness if it is only between you and Allah.
You just can’t mate!! You either be gay or Muslim, period! So what if we’re in “21 century” the religion doesn’t change from what it was 14 century ago.
Naima Adde the religion was shite then, still fully it doesn’t change, and then we can all continuously hate all the Muslims for their disgusting backward beliefs. Keep it up Islam
@@liqritrs8391 we're here for a proper debate and if you're not gonna put something even as slight as worthy of reading as a sentence from mein kampf, then piss off, you're not welcomed
That’s when you and your parents wanna please the cadans 😂😂😂 ion know why i said that but only a somali can get this
As Muslims integrate into western countries, it will evolve. A hundred years ago it would've been unthinkable to be Christian and gay. Now there are entire denominations that accept gays and their relationships as part of the church. Islam will do the same as generations are born in the west and shaped by pluralistic/tolerant western values.
Yeap religion doesn't change from 14 centuries ago, and that's including sex slaves, having sex with a 9 years old, killing of non believers and polygamy. Because the Holy is true until the end of time.
1. a real Muslim would not come at you for being gay or ask you to not be Muslim anymore,
2. as Muslims we believe that all people are born with " الفطرة الإسلام" and parents either makes him Christian, Jew ... , this means even if you are born "Gay" it can be changed specially if it conflicts with your religion
3. Allah does not create a person in a way that is already forbidden in the Quran
4. a sin is a sin and we are all sinners in different levels, but we don't say it's okay to be it (from lying to killing) in the contrary, we pray god to forgive us and to lead us to the right path.
5. you can be who ever you wanna be and as a true Muslim i won't judge you and i will treat you as any other human being in this earth but don't ask us to twist the Quran in alignment with your choices
Oh wow!!!! I am at a loss for words...
All religions are hypocritical
@@disheswithdavid3848 all atheists are intolerant
Faisal Ismail who said I’m atheist?
@@disheswithdavid3848 All agnostics are annoyingly indecisive and smug about it. Do the splinters in your arse hurt from that fence you're sitting on?
Haram always be Haram
The End
Backward, unsophisticated, warmongering, women-hating, minority-hating, non-conformity hating religions always be backward, unsophisticated, warmongering, women-hating, minority-hating, non-conformity hating religions.
The End
LordTenma “Just looking in the mirror right
now ,wearing hijab not gonna lie ! I am LOVING being a muslim . if i died then live again ,i always wanted being a muslim .You only learning ISLAM only in youtube,media ,news.just only talk shit about us .They all lying . We muslims knows better what is wrong what is good.No matter what u said to us ,i still love u .😘😘 💪🏼💪🏼 .
Love Of kind my girlfriend and future wife is Muslim. And she's not my first relationship with a Muslim. I have a pretty good grasp of the ummah and your religion.
Stop praising your religion, it doesn't deserve it.
LordTenma well which part is it unworthy of praise?
LordTenma please point out which part of the Koran refers to any of your assumptions please
in all honesty ... the Muslims are the only people who can vote in this topic
have a none Muslims change something in Islam religion?
gay and Muslim ? we all know it not possible
edit: also, the first woman with hijab 18:08 did demolish his argument and they didn't let her finished and all he got to say is some pretty happy fairy tail words
its like saying i want to be a fish but also fly like a bird dude choose a path.
...I don't think anybody is abiding 100% to any religious book though
ZCore Studio I agree they can’t just say in the Quran it says slavery was ok, but we are Muslims we know more about our religion than they do. You can’t just change something about our religion because you feel like it
Is it impossible to believe in Allah, having been socialised into muslim culture and being gay? - Yes. Is it up to you to decide what others identify as? - No.
@@EscargoTouChaud we are not changing his identity by choice, he can be Muslim and believe in homosexuality. But his question is "will the Muslim religion allow homosexuality?", and that is a no.. Mostly because the Muslim community does not believe in homosexuality.. And we are stating that being both is a sin in the Muslim religion.
Those girls are right actually. It's just isn't allowed if we go by Islamic text.
Thank you for standing up for Islam! :D
Vithushanan Karunakaran Stop talking
Well IF we go by Islamic text, then those girl shouldnt be allowed to speak to begin with
Hugh Jazz That's just something overly strict Muslims follow.
If it says it un the text then we should follow it
He’s asking for the community to accept him not Allah
Yes, a good god wouldn't make someone gay then forsake them. They have no control of that.
Allah is the best of all deceivers. What if he wrote the book to challenge us to rise above, so we learn to shed compassion and love onto one another?
Ariel Sagesse Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.This is the first and greatest commandment.And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Ya because he is Allah's child
Surinderpal Kaur no he’s not
I could sit there and just sniff, and still the audience will clap.
I love when i see non-Muslims start talking about Islam like they know what it is and they start changing it for their taste
I didn't think that this comment will blow up like that and i want to clarify that if you want to be gay go and be like you want but don't say that you are doing nothing wrong and Islam didn't say anything about being gay like if you were in a community and they have specific rules and you break one of the rules and say to them i didn't do anything wrong
I love when straight people start talking about homosexuality like they know what it is and they start changing it for their taste
I love when i see Muslims start talking about Islam like it is a religion of peace and they start ignoring the perverted verses changing it for their taste.
@@WallahHabibi2023 I love it when non-muslims think being gay can outright only be talked about by gay people.
So if someone does not beat his wife for disobeying him, he is not a true Muslim by your logic?
@@ruthrk9877 wtf?! True Muslims won't beat their wives because Islam denied any harm for someone who did nothing
The Prophet (PBUH) said: there will come a time where you will see much differing, when this happens, hold on to my Sunnah (path or way of life) and the Sunnah of my companions. because every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance leads to the hellfire.
The reason these topics are coming up is that Muslims are not studying and following their religion anymore. The creator is the one who knows what is best for us as he created us. The same way if i created a car, i would know what its purpose is and what it has to do more than the car. we do not have the right to set our own standards. The only way to success is to follow the quran and the Sunnah the way the prophet and his companions did. Then, by allahs mercy we will enter paradise inshallah
Khalifa Mas'ud Peace be upon him. Didn’t take long to write
SO YOU BELIEVE THE SUN SETS IN A POOL OF MUD.
what are you talking about?
Khalifa masud why have u got that haraam terrorist flag. Shame on u
what is haram about it it just has the shahadah on it?
When will people quit bending and twisting God’s laws to suit themselves and begin abiding by God’s laws? If God wanted us to live by our own laws and rules then He wouldn’t have outlined His own!
You think god wrote the law? Lolol
There's no such thing exists your imaginary friend is not real.
That's true, can't argue with that God made us to obey him not to be LGBTQ
boiioiiioiioiioiioiioii 007 exactly right
@@imranshamezai2522ah yes. This whole universe must of just spawned from nowhere straight into a functional universe. How logical of you Mr Atheist (Sarcasm)
I think Islam is very clear on the homosexuality. You can do your best to water the religion down as much as you like but Islam is not like christianity, the religion and its followers will maintain the status quo. Majid Nawaz is wrong about slavery. The Quran and the hadith make it explicitly clear that slavery is to be abolished and promotes the freeing of those in slavery over and over again.
I can't agree less
That poll was the stupidest ever. What right do non Muslims watching the show have in saying it is OK for a Muslim to be gay? Ridiculous. May Allah reward the brother (Abdullah al Andalusi) and the 2 sisters that spoke and defended Islam.
Respect to the two sisters that had the courage to speak the truth!
Evry muslims should speak up for the truth instead of Minor numbers
They just came and vomited.
simple answer:No.
advanced answer:No you can't.
You answer is so cool 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
yes they can. how does that bother you
@@thehonesttruth415 because they are muslims and they can not be gays.
@@mammysassahconteh7596 gay is not a religion. they are born that way. proven by scientist.
@@thehonesttruth415 some of these scientists don't believe in God, so tell me, how can they do things that's pleases God the most high? I don't know what's your religion, but if you are a Christian you will surely fine verses that talked about how God destroys a whole town because of gay so how can someone who claims to believe in God and acts like this or even support them? These stories in the Holy books are not there for bed night stories but for us to learn them acts upon them so that we can get closer to God. The honest truth, Islam forbids gay so we can not support them, there is a saying in Islam which says don't hate the one that sins rather hate the sin. We don't hate them but the life style of them I hope you understand this.
The girl killed it 😂😂😂😂 "don't get involve in this"
Criss Redfield she killed any hope of making her religion look tolerant
Not really, Islam is famous for being intolerant (of pretty much everything) there's no redeeming it without massive reformation, but she did make a valid point: You can't choose not to be gay, you're born that way, but you can, if you feel the call to Faith, choose your religion, so why choose one where your sexuality is deeply offensive and forbidden? Seems like sado-masochism to me.
*why choose one where your sexuality is deeply offensive and forbidden?*
Because he was raised AS a muslim from before he could think. It's deeply ingrained as a core part of him. He's a cultural muslim. Trying to deprogram people and break them free from childhood brainwashing and indoctrination is EXTREMELY difficult, if not impossible.
It's why I'm strongly opposed to parents raising their kids AS a theist. Religion is something you should shelter children from until they're old enough to think and decide for themselves.
Because even leaving Islam can lead to social isolation and death. It's very easy for you and me to give advice. The people who are facing this are really screwed.
Kopp203 : so based on that girl's point,,shouldnt this liberty be given to everyone born on the earth. Inside or outside muslim community. Then why is there mass forceful conversion to Islam.. then why death sentence to those who want to leave Islam and this is as per their sharia law...shouldnt everybody given choice!!
NO!!! You cant be GAY! It is HARAM!! READ THE STORY OF LUT (A.S)
EXACTLY, THANK U! :)
EXACTLY , THANK YOU .
No offence but your offending me shut up ;)
@Sinjin Smythe buddy do you know how to spell *Muslim*
Gay means qawmu lut
It is NOT mandatory in Islam for women to cover your face.
Jammy
No.
Read the Quran first, then reply.
The veil was worn by Prostitutes in early Arabic society, many of whom were among the wives of the first followers, the tradition stuck, as those prostitutes had children who followed the attire.
So anything that prostitutes does are bad? They breathe - should we stop breathing?
They eat - should we stop eating then? Also prostitutes are human being as well. I don't judge them. At least they are minding their own business and making money, instead of you doing nothing like you (and me) and commenting here.
Islam is a religion, not a country ;)
When will it be legal to break the law?
I would tell you. When you take off the picture that you have in you profile 😑
@@حقيقةبتبكي 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Maybe all the time? Look no further than the late 20th century where the UK abolished the criminality associated with homosexual acts. But maybe you don't agree with that. Fine - what about the abolishment of slavery? Minimum age to work? Minimum pay? Abolishment of segregation based on race? Women allowed to drive in Saudi? Laws change, and even when they do exist, there is certainly room to navigate, debate and change. That's why we have courts and systems of justice. Sure it's not legal to break the law, but that doesn't mean we can't change it if the collective judgment provides a convincing argument against it. The inability to rationalise and accept the fact that humans will inevitably continue to develop new perspectives is the root cause of conventional islamic notions' incompatibility with the modern world. On the flip side, not all "new perspectives" are always justified in the modern world. This is the reason why we need to have more rational and logic driven debate, instead of a one-size fits all rule for all time, regardless if you are religious or not. The more you understand philosophy and utilise critical thinking, instead of just blatantly accept what you were 'taught', the more you can appreciate what religion truly is.
Hahahahah
@@daringwrinchester absolutely not the same. Laws are open to change and are dynamic, religion is not that. Hence why laws can be changed with the time as they are man made, whereas religion is from God, hence is not dynamic (by order of the humans) because God is perfect and we are imperfect, hence we cannot change religious laws like we can laws of a country
"im gay and a muslim" im a lesbian and christian" as an atheist that just makes me cringe! thats an oxymoron! you're contradicting yourself every walking day by doing so the bible and the quran make their feeling clear about homosexuality. will god let you have a gay relationship in heaven?! i doubt it
Thank u!!! Little do these Homosexuals realise this discussions seems like more of a propaganda being played out to exploit them rather than help them gain acceptance
Tee Tee In no way form or shape did i mention all muslims. What i did was point out the ones that, either lie regarding discrimination against homosexuality, or the ones that are openly discriminating.
I have no problem in pointing out corruption, regardless of where it comes from. But i dont see how that would excuse the behaviour i just mentioned.
***** You made a good point, especially about religious people hypocritical attitude, I was having a discussion with ministry members about child molestation neglected cases that happen in the church why some church Christians shy away from this subject, some even turning a blind eye to abuse that happens, so I agree Muslim should actually help those who feel rejected and sympathise with them but people don't have to take part in something because its popular, some Christians won't drink or go to the club that doesn't make them stuck up
Tee Tee Indeed. And its so easy to point out the stupidity aswell. Anyone who defends the islamic word against homosexuality, because they claim you cant cherry pick, or interpret the doctrine, would allso have to say that sexual intercourse with 9 year olds is fine in Islam. The perfect muslim, Muhammad did just that. Muslims who actually thinks thats okay, just proves Steven Weinbergs famous quote. "To get otherwise good people to do evil things, you need religion".
***** You just mentioned 'Religions' are pretty hypocritical, another thing is the Muslilms who are homophobic should look at other issues such as why a women has to be covered yet they can wear as they please, I wonder why people still don't change after being confronted with facts.
Next on BBC 3 FreeSpeech:Is it ok to be a Jewish and a Nazi?
Is it okay to be Jewish Zionist and human? NO!
Yes, his name is Milo Yiannopoulos. He's a far-right gay christian Jewish and identifies himself as an American libertarian.
+ Kyle Smit
You can't "interpret" everything about a religion.
You can't interpret Hinduism without karma for example.
Or you can't interpret Jewdaism without the ten commandments.
Or can I be muslim and be tolerant to basic human rights?
naybe LMFAOOO u literally made my day ty
the only nonsense was in the room was Maajid, he talking about something he has no knowledge of.
I must say Salaam to brother Abdullah and other two sisters... this is endless fight for Islam and we need to be keep fighting...
More power to these two muslim ladies who stood tall for the Hukam of Allah swt and did not fear the mockery and animosity of the opposite side. May Allah swt grant them istaqamat and be pleased with them
Ameen
Animosity? I think you'll find that the animosity you speak of came only from the Muslim speakers.
@@ArchyPWhilst there are gullible fools that believe in mythological gods,there will always be strife,as each religion claims they are the true one.There is no proof,nor is there ever likely to be any proof of mythological gods.
Lol why fight and debate now. Just wait when they die then in the grave they realise then end of the world, they answer. Tada problem resolved.
People will come up with any kind of excuse to justify what they want no matter whether the quran or god says it. It's just the way it is.
Honestly saying that views are outdated is an extremely weak argument. It's not even a view it's a FACT. U cannot just change the rules.
>loling on why to fight over debate
>goes on talking how this is a week argument
aesyah Lol why not? We made the rules.
Yea thats why you guys dont progress. Never debating and trying to solve problems. Just wait for death
Paul2377 how about on the debate of why 53 years old Muhammad fucked 9 years old Aisha
Aesyah. I totally agree .
The 7th century called.......they want their morals back
21st century is offended.
Sub ZerO lol
You could also say current day Saudi Arabia, which still appears to be stuck in the 7th century (although granted, they closed the last slave markets 50 years ago so they've progressed to the 7.5th century since then)
Samuel Vimes , they are living the way our Prophet (pbuh) lived and told us to live
o oyayo I will buy you a ticket to live there.
This life is not a joke but a test, you'll see with your own eyes one day.
Yeah.. i Always say that, no need for discussions
and that day is so close but they do not know ! they think they can discuss God's orders! how they are ignorant ?
@@naimaellouzi2102 "and that day is close" ...what else is your magic ball telling you?
I agree with you that you 100%. Life is not a joke it is a test, which will either bring you good or bad
Why are you waiting to meet your "god"?
"I aM nOt HeRe To TaLk AbOuT tHaT oNe AyAt, I aM hErE tO tAlK aBoUt LoVe"
DYING
lol
Hahahahahahahahahs
Yeah, me, as an necrophile and into beastiality, I have question for society, when will be ok for me to come out of the closet and spread love openly hmm? It's all about love! I love the dead bodies I have sex with and I love the animals I boink. We live in the 21st century afterall. Naudubilah.
@@theuncausedcause5780 I really not sure if u r being sarcastic or not
First this show did wrong they didn't bring scholar because they know they will loss..... bring the best scholar ND U will get the best answer
TEA!
Nasrina Abdi Exactly
This was one of the signs of the day of judgement. As a child I thought it was crazy that the world could change like that but now seeing Muslims having a debate about whether the sins of Prophet's Lut's Nation can be made acceptable is scary.
I am waiting until we see this in saudi ..until the saudi royal family is attending gay pride .....i tell you its going to happen!
As a christian, I think it's absurd to think that Islam allows homosexual acts considering how clearly it is opposed in the Koran. It's the same thing as people who say that christians can support it, despite the New and Old Testament being crystal clear. If you want to live that way go ahead but don't say that the religion supports it, even atheists would agree that's stupid.
BastiatReport I'm not gay but still wouldn't join your club!
nunyabiznes nunyabiznes hm well i think you don’t really know any of the religions that you stated huh? When you want to gain knowledge about a belief or religion, PLEASE I BEG YOU go and do your own research on the books of the religions instead of just relying on Google all the time. It’s not good for your brain actually 🤷🏻♂️
I agree i mean u can be gay or lesbian idk but dont say ur religion support it cuz when u die u r the only one who is going to be asked about it
And I respect what the women dud say but the way that they express the opinions made it look a bit harsh thing like this are sensitive and need to calm down
Im muslim and i have a friend like that but i dont go and say to there face u r not muslim its not my business
Im not god
Im not allah
Gay muslims will know every story in the quran except from the story of lut 😭🤣
Why is a panel of non-muslims asked the question 'Can you be muslim and gay?' That is outrageously stupid
***** That makes sense
It's BBC pro-Muslim propoganda. ISIS aren't chucking gays off buildings with their hands tied for lolz, they're doing it because Allah commands it. This is just deflection and an attempt to promote "moderate" Islam, when western Wahabbi Islam is anything but moderate. There is no such thing as moderate Islam. The entire political_ideology_that_masquerades_as_a_religion is about all about oppression, death, slavery and regression to antiquated beliefs and ways of life.
I kinda wish progressive religious people, like Maajid Nawaz, would stop using "reinterpret" as a euphemism for "reject." They reject the tenents of the faith. Many progressive interpretations in several faiths seems extremely dishonest. Why can't the religious say "my holy book says this, and i reject it". That would gain them much more respect.
The core tenets of Islam say you can't reject it. You are no longer a Muslim is you reject the word of God.
Nawaz is friends with Sam Harris, tells you all you need to know about his honesty
@@SimpleReally So true. If Nawaz is actually rejecting core tenets of Islam and denying passages from the Quran then he's not a Muslim. "Reforming" Islam is like a direct contradiction to everything Islam stand for.
Many progressive Christians do the same thing. They say the reinterpret instead of reject.
It is like saying can you be Muslim and ex-muslim at the same time 😂😂😂 debate me
You can choose to be gay and be a muslim its just like saying you are a sinful muslim but you are still a muslim its like being a muslim but you listen to music which isnt allowed in islam.its a major sin to be gay but youre still are a muslim but however in islam if you believe the rules that say you cant be gay isnt true then you are on the verge of not being muslim if you are gay and muslim and you accept that you arnt supposed to be gay you're better than someone who is gay but denies it being prohibited however the 1st person is someone called a fasik = sinner he sins but is 100% still a muslim but a not so good one
Homosexuality was a main reason why the whole community of prophet lut
Haris-T3 hey, sorry i felt commenting on ur comment. Basically when a muslim person listens to music they know they sinning, hence they dont beome disbeliver. but if they say music is not haram, they directly going against the word of god which makes them a disbeliever, so if ur gay for example and u know its prohibited in islam, ur best option is to keep it to urself and keep practising the religion, but if u say i am gay n i wanna be accepted n arguing its halal, u going directly against the word of god which makes u a disbliever cuz u challenging his authority becuz he clearly stated in the quran its prohibited. I feel sorry for that poor Asif guy but he knows its wrong and he was avoiding to talk about it when that hijab girl quoted the verse in the quran.he said ' i am not here to talk about that'
So yeah its all about following the teaches n if u sin, dont be proud of it
Peace to u brother
@@caafiaxmed AYYYY couldn't have worded it better
@Sleep Walker explains why you chose your name sleep walker 🤣 it makes sense to the rest of the sane and right in the head people here, they may not agree but it makes sense to them
The young woman who says that anyone gay chooses to be Muslim needs to get her head examined. Because a lot of people don't choose to be born into the culture or religious background they're born to. They don't get that choice, whether they turn their back on the Muslim faith or not.
That woman with the head scarf was savage lol she told Louisa " don't get involved in this" LOOL
that girl who told him the truth without beating around the bush deserves a standing ovation, masha allah may allah bless the sister for not fearing to speak the truth.
in a Time of Universal Deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act-George Orwell
🤮
@@stanbily9416This is me when I look at infidels.
Except that her mannerism as a Muslim was disappointing. People like her is why people think Muslims are hateful and intolerant, because we don't know how to express ourselves without going off the deep end and ranting and raving instead of engaging in conversation civilly.
Sharia-based governments are identical to what he warned about in 1984
@@maquacr7014. Infidels ! Violin players.?…
'The world is about to end' *CLAP*
19:30 “it doesn’t say in the Quran that it’s prohibited”
19:38 “I’m not here to talk about that one ayah (verse)”
🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@Subarashii Ningen I disagree. He literally said "I'm not here to talk about that one ayah" which is literally proof that it's not allowed to be gay in Islam.. so him rejecting the proof makes him lose the argument
@Subarashii Ningen when the woman Gave her point about Islam prohibiting sexual intercourse between the same gender, Asif said he doesn't care about the ayah.
@I.F.A so, you’re basically admitting that your religion is homophobic.
@I.F.A if you say that same sex intercourse is sinful, then you are admitting that you god is homophobic.
you don't know what you are on about
In the last I wanna say may Allah show the right path to u brother may Allah give u the ability to understand what u doing is wrong not who u r what you feelings r ameen
Yeah you can be gay and Muslim, just not in a Muslim country, weird huh?
Very sharp
We're turning into a Muslim country though to be honest. The amount of fucking mosques in London is unrealistic lol
+OsamaBinWeavel The3rd unreal*
+Juan .Direction sure thing bud
and muslims say islam is a religion of tolerance. plz. don't say such a thing. it is a mockery of reality and nature of things. your words are inconsistent with your action. it's a shame. Action speaks louder than words.
logic, if you are Muslim you believe there is one God. That God created you in his image (meaning he created you in his own vision; the best of creation). God is omnipotent, which means he knows all and sees all, including what you are from the beginning to the end of your life. God in the Quran, prohibits homosexuality, which means if you believe that being born homosexual is a possibility than you also believe that God predestined you for hellfire. Therefore you cannot be Muslim if you are gay, as it states in literally beginning with every surah in the Quran that God is the most merciful bi-smi llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm.
Dude you should be on that show, one of the best comments i heard untill now!
This argument doesn't make any sense. You say they can't be born gay because being gay is wrong and you no one is born wrong (i agree with that). But how do you know that being gay is wrong? That's not an argument you just trying to proof one unproofen statements with another unproofen statement. We don't know if people are born gay. We need to find this out first (in a scientific way because this is the only way that would work here). If they are born gay than there is no doubt that being gay is okay because God doesn't make any mistakes. If they aren't born gay it doesn't tell us anything because I can turn into a better person and do good things throughout my whole life. I can change and still be a good person so I can also turn gay and still be a good human being.
If god plans your life then you being gay was port of the plan. and if he'' created you in his own vision'' then you are perfect or you were when you were borne and if you were made gay then that is the way you are made to be. and I do not think that god would make you to just send you to hell if so then you are basically saying that god is unjust!!!
Then if you think your statement is true and you think “God has created every human with his own vision and sees through all of our actions” then why is life on earth even a thing? Why are we not already either in heaven or hell as you believe? Why has god made gay people’s mindsets to believe that they’re gay when he could’ve easily just made it that they don’t do these major sins and set them to right path to heaven? Why is the whole planet not Muslim? It just doesn’t make sense. Your statement is invalid and just shows me that we’re either puppets under God’s control or that god just doesn’t exist.
@@luckyjacket3896 because its the choices that people make in their lifes. We believe that everyone is born as a muslim but later they become a Christian or something else. And it's the choices that people make in life what brings them in hell or heaven.
I felt very disrespected when that catholic men said that Islam is all about rules and no love. I respect you as a Catholic and I don't judge you and your belief but when you said it has nothing to do with love but rules, I felt disrespected. I love allah and his messenger and I will follow all my rules and love God, I love God and Islam has everything to do with love as well, no one is forcing you to do anything. That guy guy can be guy but he has to admit that he is committing a sin and that on the day of judgment he will have to answer allah why he committed that sin. I respect catholic people or any religion rules but Please think before you say anything about other people religions.
Sami ahmed he doesn’t represent us Christian, he can speak for himself. In Christianity it’s the same, it’s wrong and people are trying to cherry pick.
Islam is about killing the infidels
@@davidregi7571 did fox news taught you this?😂😂
I was impressed by Abdullah al Andalusi and liked how he handled the very sensitive issue.
this is so dumb! you cant choose to be attracted to the same gender aka homosexual but you can choose your religion. so just leave it!
they r talking about having gay sex not being gay ffs. if they all accepted the difference this debate woulda moved along a lot faster
ThePerfect1077 I was referring to the gay muslim, obviously. Not everyone who participated in the debate.
yh ik. But the point is that none of them would have had a problem if he said he was a Muslim and refrained from sex.
Mrigank when i said "them" i'm talking about the ppl in the audience -.-
ThePerfect1077 I'm not targeting you but the original comment, it was the UA-cam app problen
The problem in this discussion is that there is no rightfully and properly educated Muslims that can hold there own with actual and proper facts.
Abdalla was trying to explain them what's mainstream Islamic perspective on the topic, but his apponents didn't want to listen and preferred to stick to the misconceptions that suit their own agenda.
Indeed these people are Hypocrites
Am I the only one who thinks that these verses and hadiths dont need an interpretation?
Surah 3, Verse 32: Say, "Obey
Allah and the Messenger." But if they turn away - then indeed,
Allah does not like the disbelievers.
Surah 3, Verse 132:
And obey Allah and the Messenger that you may obtain mercy.
Surah 4, Verse 13:
These are the limits [set by] Allah , and whoever obeys Allah and His
Messenger will be admitted by Him to gardens [in Paradise] under
which rivers flow, abiding eternally therein; and that is the great
attainment.
Surah 4, Verse 14:
And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger and transgresses His limits
- He will put him into the Fire to abide eternally therein, and he will have a humiliating punishment.
Surah 4, Verse 42:
That Day, those who disbelieved and disobeyed the Messenger will wish
they could be covered by the earth. And they will not conceal from
Allah a [single] statement.
Surah 4 Verse 47
O you who were given the Scripture, believe in what We have sent down
[to Muhammad], confirming that which is with you, before We
obliterate faces and turn them toward their backs or curse them as We
cursed the sabbath-breakers. And ever is the decree of Allah
accomplished.
Abu
Dawud (4462)
sunnah.com/abudawud/40/112
The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said,
"Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot
(homosexuality), execute the one who does it and the one to whom it
is done.".
sunnah.com/abudawud/40/113
- "If a man who is not married
is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death."
Bukhari
(72:774) - "The Prophet cursed effeminate men (those men
who are in the similitude (assume the manners of women) and those
women who assume the manners of men, and he said, 'Turn them out of
your houses .' The Prophet turned out such-and-such man, and 'Umar
turned out such-and-such woman.
al-Tirmidhi,
Sunan 1:152 - [Muhammad said] "Whoever is found
conducting himself in the manner of the people of Lot, kill
the doer and the receiver."
they're just in denial, trying to be PC
Sean OConner Oh, look. Hadith. You do realise that these are not universally accepted...
Sahih Hadiths are universally accepted.
Sean OConner Universally... I don't believe you.
+N.H.Alicia Did you ignore the quran verses on there and focus on the ones that have a slight chance of not being true....nice
"no religion is about hate. it's about love" WHAT BULLSHIT.
TwitchDoctr T dumb ass, why would he quote the entire video? People quote portions to make a point. Butthurt alert.
Bravo Bruckner says the hateful man.
i hate religion!
Fatos Zulfiu intelligent people agree
Teedee Ellicott
agree on what ?
I have to agree with the girl here. Why would you call yourself a Muslim if you were gay when you know for a fact that it's prohibited in Islam? It's not your choice to be gay, but it's your choice to be Muslim. So if you want to become one, you have to abide by the rules and not try to change or alter them to suit your situation. Islam comes with the whole package; you either take it all, or drop it. There's no middle ground or selective cherry-picking.
What I don't understand here is why they are trying to "invent" another version of Islam? The Qur'an specifically says that homosexuality is strictly forbidden. If you're a homosexual, Islam is not for you. Plain and simple.
You know what they do to apostles right?
The best point was that you cant bend the rules in Islam to fit your needs and then try getting everyone to accept and follow that aswell. Doesn't work that way mate.
The guys a lost soul 🤦🏻♂️
Muslim Artist
Don’t call him a “lost soul” AstighfirAllah! You should guard your tongue. He could be prayed for
Shut up you murtad. He is a lost soul who sells his religion for money.
If souls exist then so does Santa claus and the Easter bunny.
@@ITSAULGONE so your dumbass is telling me that you don't have consciousness? Please enlighten me on what consciousness is.
Muslim Artist but you bend the rules all the time you follow hadiths and identify yourself as a specific Muslim based on hadiths which were written 300 years after our prophet. You call yourself Sunni or Shia or salafi or wahabbi etc... based on hadiths and not Quran. This is fact. You identity as a Muslim is based on what Hadith you believe in which hadiths were written 300 years after the prophet. You follow hearsay and idolize these stories and men who wrote them hundreds of years after Quran which is what we believe is Allah’s message. You go to an iman instead of reading the Quran yourself. You bend the rules and you and millions of Muslims are divided because of these hadiths. Don’t you see ? Don’t you hear? Don’t you understand? Read Quran brother wake up
In a Ayah of Al Quraan it says you can't be a gay. And in another surah it says if you don't believe in any single Ayah from Al Quraan you are considered as not a Muslim to the God. So please sister and brother don't argue with them about that because in their pronoun they know that they are not conceded as Muslim to the God.
no
Yes you can’t be gay but just because you’re gay doesn’t mean you aren’t Muslim.
@@empuwm he just proved thats wrong though
@@empuwm A muslim who acts on his desires is not a real muslim, you must rise above those desires and follow what Allah (SWT) has teached us
God created us and some of us are gay.
Lilith K LOL . Bet you've had a few too.
life is a test brother,that is why he gave us holy books for guidance,to show us the right path
Mr Baka Life is about being yourself .
superstubes you can also becomes a bad person to be yourself,thats why theres religion,people constantly seeking for guidance.
Mr Baka Well being born gay doesn't make a person "bad".
Jesus left the Chat ...
If Sheikh Uthman was here, everybody who agrees homosexuality should be accepted in Islam would've been destroyed in the debate.
Sheikh Uthman would MURDER them lmaoo he'd send Majed to his grave
My question is to Gays & Muslims.
How could you actually love the God & worship him and have faith with, and you are not even proud of the way God created you?
So isn’t God knows why he created you a man?
Being gay is big discrimination between you & God because you don’t appreciate that the way God created you.
Abdoulaye Ada
S Malik???
This is the test that God giving us. If Gay is legal in religion then why Pompei being washout by God during Prophet Luth AS ?
god created gay men as gay and straight men as straight, so by being gay or straight, they are not opposing the way God does things
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Hitchens would've steamrolled this whole debate R.I.P.
lol true, I do miss that brilliantly silver tongued bastard xD
I really do need to remember to pour out a glass of johnny walker black label next April 13th ^_^
You do realize the irony of R.I.P. for Hitchens, right?
rest in peace doesn't need to have religous connotation dipshit it just means let him be dead and not have people trample over his name
His body is resting after decades of working to keep him alive, so RIP does fit atheists too.
I'll join you in that: April 13 = Christopher Hitchens day celebrated with a glass of Johnny Walker black label in the late evening.
5:45 for the title of the video... your welcome
thanks mate
I didn't want the conversation to end
Where the hell did everyone get there hair done?
+Joshua Hubbard lol
+Joshua Hubbard Especially that hot Persian or Afghan looking lady in the red trousers.
+Le Huy-Anh If you're referring to LUISA ZISSMAN... she's greek.
yeah wtf everyone's hair is on point and I'm sitting here with 3 front cowlicks unsure what to do
+Joshua Hubbard Lol
Even I have read enough of the Qu'ran, to know that homosexuality is forbidden. I don't even understand how this is a debate. If you believe that the Qu'ran is the literal word of god, and he has forbidden homosexuality, how can expect others who believe that too, to accept you for as a muslim, for defying god?
I'm an atheist, so I have no dog in that fight, but it seems pointless to start with to me.
+Sokar i appropriate your respect and that is why we say knowledge is power,you are open minded person who understands what is going around the world not the people whose takes what the media tells him .as Muslims if the gay/lesbian is non-Muslim Christian&Jews&atheist&Buddhism&hindusam its up to him whether he live a Muslim country or not and even we can not criticize him.thanks ones again
corsinivideos Religion needs to go as a whole mate :P
But no the problem is, that only like what we tell ourselves, a large portion of moderate muslims, believe all the same things extremists believe, they just don't want to fight with violence to achieve it. They instead opt for standing by, and letting the islamists, both violent and non-violent, push for the changes for them.
+Sokar Absolutely, this just makes no sense to me either, i would be shocked if it turned out most Muslims thought being Muslim and gay i ok.
Being looked at the wrong way round completely, yes you were born gay and that cant be changed, you were born into a faith that opposes it, realize that its the faith that needs to be abandoned not the mainstream interpretation.
***** I haven't deleted that comment. Its right above you.
Where do you see me saying I hate homosexuals? Considering I don't, I think it'll be hard for you to prove this :P
Also what does the fact, that most modern feminists, multiculturists, and marxists are atheist, has to do with me thinking their ideas are toxic and harmful?
All three ideologies promote bad ideas, and use bunk science to do it. Modern feminism and marxists using made up statistics, advocating for a; guilty until prove innocent, legal adaption, and multiculturists ignoring the harm being done in their country, because of their self hatred (Sweden is an excellent example). Worst of all, any criticism of their ideas, however rooted in science that criticism might be, is instant labeled misogynistic, racist, or offensive. They have no arguments, and use loaded words in order to avoid debate. Honest people change their minds in light of evidence, and modern feminists, multiculturists, and marxists, generally don't. As such I view them (for the most part) as dishonest groups, trying to push an harmful ideologies, the same way religion tries to push its ideology.
+Sokar The problem was the same in christianity. Christians have a lot of rules that they don't follow anymore because they changed the interpretation. Christians could not eat pork too, and christian women should wear a veil and should not be in a higher position than any man. But they changed their view on these things even if the book says otherwise. So the problem is always the interpretation. We can imagine a scale from "literal" to "metaphorical", and in the middle we can find a infinite number of shades of interpretation. Christians have fought for centuries about this stuff. Muslim are debating too, but I don't see any agreement about that. So we must admit that there are different interpretations of the Qu'ran. This leads to two possible endings: one idea prevails and muslims around the world will follow one and only one interpretation (literal or metaphorical, I cannot predict this), or they just give up, decide to split and to form mutiple "churches" and every single "church" will have its own interpretaion. In this last scenario I see the chance for a gay person to identify as muslim, because nobody will be able to forbid a "church" to read the Qu'ran in a very metaphorical way, enough to accept homosexuality. Until then, one can still call himself gay and muslim, but the word "muslim" contains people that are against homosexuality, and this person will not be accepted by other muslims.
As an atheist I see this as a complete waste of time, that we could spend researching useful things like a cure to cancer or a solution to third world problems. But hey, religious people seem to have much fun debating about which god has the longer dick, I don't want to interrupt their amusement!
Masha Allah respected brother Abdullah al Andalusi, I'm really proud of you, you said your bit accordingly, its very difficult to control oneself in a intense atmosphere dealing with a serious top in front of ignorant people...
Lol this is pretty much the same as someone asking vegans to accept them as a vegan even though they eat meat
that vegan sinful
Delan, isn’t the difference that veganism has a formal definition, while muslim just means ‘one who submits to God’. I don’t think the Quran says: ‘if you’re gay you’re not muslim’.
Islam and the Quran is also a way of life, how does one submit? My following its teachings. But at any rate anyone can call themselves a muslim, even murderers and rapist, but then to tell other muslims to accept them as the norm is a whole other story.
@@utilitymonster8267 And i don't think any other religions allow gay
Why is there no one on the panel that is a mainstream Muslim?
Was the girl not?
Aj Acar Nah she weren’t
Mainstream and Muslim are oxymoron. Mainstream lacks moral values, Islam demands them.
@@Shrink18 mainstream lacks morals?😂
@@samiaziz58 yes. Mainstream media, music, movies etc (which influence the masses)... lacks moral values and promotes immorality.. absolutely. Do you need proof? 🤔
Massive respect for Abdullah Al Andalusi!
We are all sinners but what is Haram is Haram which is why Allah says we should ask for forgiveness when we sin. If you are gay be gay but forcing us to say being gay is allow is just wrong.
I am a Christian, and having sex with the same gender is forbidden in the Bible. But a person shouldn't be judged by actions that doesn't affect or influence others. He has every right to reciprocate to his feelings as long as it doesn't harm others and as long as its lawful.
We are all sinners, and if any doctrine teaches us to hate, then we need to reconsider the doctrine and analyse our thoughts and beliefs.
stop
in ur religion its fine in islam its wrong i dont make the rules i follow them
I’m vegan . Why can’t I eat meat
Last time I checked Islam was established as a religion to counter the preachings of Christianity and Judaism, not to discriminate against homosexuality.
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john moha You are vegan not a carnivore.
Thats one sensible comment
@@thenomadiclife7810 It's just Judaism (bullshit) with added barbarism.
AS A MUSLIM I'd like to say that according to islam, no one has the right to judge another person. Doing so is considered to be doing Allah's job.
Also, we all sin. You cannot tell me I am not a muslim because i sin differently than you.
youd like to say that but you cant
john schaub I just did!
I think your intentions are well meant but the fact is that Islam does give men the right to judge other men by application of shariah. That's the whole purpose of the shariah so we can implement God's law on earth and in order to that we would have Islamic courts to judge wrongdoing. Judges themselves may well be great sinners but the enforcing of God's law, as written, is the only thing that's important.
one word. Shariah.
Part of someone being a good Muslim is his leaving alone that which does not concern him.
I really hate the dodging of the question that religious advocates always pull whenever confronted about whether or not homosexuality is acceptable in their communities, always saying that they do not judge homosexuals, merely the act of engaging in sex. That is absurd, sex is an integral component to most relationships, and to create a dichotomy of love and sex is totally unreasonable. Likewise, I feel that gay people need to quit expecting religions with tenets specifically prohibiting homosexuality, whether you want to categorize that as love or just sex, to accept them. Religious adherents should be expected to follow laws prohibiting them from oppressing homosexuals, but they cannot be expected to betray their faith.
Well said.
Precisely. The religious need to understand that they can't possibly comprehend a supreme being's proclivities. Also, homosexuals need to shed the urge to be accepted into groups that don't respect them.
***** Actually the very nature of their faith is often that their god has told them exactly what he expects of them, so they naturally have a right to claim they understand such.
Tyler Reed That's what makes them incredibly stupid.
***** Religious people, or religions? The distinction is important, because that is a factor that makes religious people irrational (at least in this regard), but has little bearing on their overall intelligence.
A “gay muslim” doesn’t exist. Those two thing do not coincide in any way whatsoever. If you are gay, you are going against Islam totally. People say it’s not a choice and it’s the way you were born, but then religion is a choice, and if in that religion it is forbidden, then why follow it. You are just setting yourself up for sinning. As a Muslim, you are not meant to say who can and cannot he muslim because it’s not your place to deny people’s religion, however this show is called Freespeech and you have the freedom of speech to not personally accept a gay person into Islam. He said his parents were fine with it and that’s completely wrong on their half. They are sinning almost as bad as he is as they are allowing the gift god blessed them with to go down a bad path and go astray. The muslim community will never accept that and that’s all there is to it. In conclusion, you cannot by principle be gay and muslim and thats just the facts. This is coming from a 14 year old who doesn’t want to offend anyone but would like to get things completely straight (no pun intended)
The irony is certain people feel they can dictate to us our own religion. It's like saying to an atheist you are still an atheist if you believe in God....that lady from the Dragon's den would benefit from reading the Quran, I hope the MDI invites her to one of their events. As for Anjem, I mean Maajid...he is rolling in money, well "our money", well maybe these days the money isn't rolling in as much as he states "no longer government funded", or is that just another ploy.
OMG!!! In the jahiliya period there was slavery but the prophet and his sahabas didn't condone that. I learnt that in school under a tree somewhere in Kenya. So disappointed with the guy pretending to be a learned Muslim. And if you know Islam you'll know that covering ur face is optional in Islam. Even when praying (in front of Allah BTW) we don't cover our face. We do cover everywhere else though
So true! The person who said it otherwise didn't know ANYTHING about us muslims
Why doesn’t she cover her body with a niqab then?
@herminkei Excuse me, may i ask you why you said that?
@@shashankm1415 It's optional, and once you wear it, you can't go out of your house without it. She's not ready yet.
That’s not his point. His point was that there are Muslim groups who do consider it to be prohibited to not cover the face and for a woman to speak openly to men
LGBT not allowed and Maajid you are lost! Take care not to make your Lord angry on you!!!
The African Guy had the best response
Well.. But being Muslim is not really a choice as well... You are born into a family which usually has a Religion and will force that religion onto their child. So sure you can stop believing and it therefore might be a choice, but this makes the whole issue much more complicated.
@@k.o.5666 To be fair the moment a human being is born into the world, he is inevitably institutionalized into the environment and norms of the place he is born in. You can't change this concept at all.
The moment this human grows up and becomes aware as he/she enters adolescence and adulthood is where the game starts
@@themercifulguard3971 somehow yh, but your still heavily influenced by your childhood.
Its not that once you turn 17 or so you start at 0 again and become who you want to be.
@@k.o.5666 Well yeah obviously. That's why we should promote critical thinking regardless of what values your nation promotes. Cuz at least you can have people who search for truth genuinely
@@themercifulguard3971 well put!
You can choose to be a bigot.
+149musicfan I don't think so: they're probably born that way.
+149musicfan I used to be a bigot, then i became an atheist. Gay people are fucking awesome
+149musicfan no you can't, it's in the genes. It's like homosexuality, you'll likely find out if you're a bigot some time in your lifetime, just like gays. However some non-bigots don't realize they'll be more happy living as bigots for their entire lives, just like sum ppl don't realize or can't come to terms with their homosexuality
+sersarsor what the hell are talking about? lol
+cman2223 You could not be more wrong. You're negative comments towers me are coming from a place of ignorance and hatred. You assume that I was the same person that I was before, only I became an atheist. This can't be further from the truth. I hate my old self. That version of me is dead. I was very bitter and confused. I was judgmental. I have changed for the better. This wasn't an over night change that happen. The irony here is that most of my friends are religious, and I have the utmost respect for these people. I'm not close minded at all. I don't hate anyone. I just hate ignorance. Never assume. You have no idea who I am based on the statement I made. All I meant by that statement is that being an atheist helps you not be a bigoted asshole. It doesn't mean that all religious people are assholes or bigots
U should have brought a sheikh there
@hibo abdi exactly! sheikh haitham al haddad preferably!!!!!
Hell no
Sheikh Farhan Bin Malik
I'm actually the son of a shaykh
exactlyyy omgg
Satan is real...
It is real but don't believe in it you know what I am saying
Satan is real and everyone knows that lol
It's real .
*ONLY IN YOUR MIND*
Muhammad was a Satan
@@mtraa.942 I have a friend with the same name of yours
"Im a gay muslim"
I am a vegan, who is a meat eater
It's funny how everyone wants to interpret Islam according to how it suits them, if you believe in Islam and want to be a part of the religion you cannot change the rules, you cannot say that I will abide by certain rules and exclude others. If you want to be a Muslim you follow what the Qur-an says because we believe the Qur-an is the words of Allah himself. If you don't believe that then you aren't a Muslim.
+CanisLupus TITAN The Quran says Slavery is allowed. Should Muslims follow that too?
+alex ojideagu Yes, that's unfortunately why you have groups like ISIS...
alex ojideagu The Quran does say that slavery is permitted but it is not the kind of slavery you have in mind, it's not the racists oppressive type, it's the type that allows a person to repay their debts and choose to be enslaved for a certain time period until the debt is paid. Also this day and age slavery isn't common any more and it doesn't need to be practised. The things that Allah has forbade cannot be change unless you're in a life threatening situation and have no choice. I understand that some people have homosexual emotions that they can't control, its inevitable but it is not the emotions that it haram but acting upon those emotions and performing homosexual acts that's what is prohibited.
+CanisLupus TITAN Well according to the Quran a Slave Owner can have SEX with their slave women without marriage. And this is exactly what ISIS is doing right now to women, raping them. ISIS are just obeying the Quran.
Yet most people do not think that is acceptable.
You aren't a Muslims either because I'm sure there's a few verses you don't agree with
If Allah says something is immoral, then IT IS immoral!! It's one thing to sin and keep it secret, but to celebrate sin?
Sorry but Islam is about love and not just rules. We follow thoses rules because we love Allah azwajal, we love the creation of Allah because we love and fear Allah azwajal If the creation want's to go against the rules of Allah azawajal, that's up to the creation. But then it also has to face facts that it will attain those rewards in line with its niyat. And Allah azwajal is the most forgiving and merciful. Allah azawajal is the master of the day of judgement; and reserves the right to judge alone. May Allah azwajal forgive my sins comitted knowingly or unknowing (Ameen)
judging by your comments i think your damaged and twisted. May Allah give you true guidance in all your affairs {Ameen). As for our beloved prophet Allah azwajal commanded in the Noble Quuran that we love him; and send salawat upon him just as Allah azwajal loves the beloved prophet and sends salutations on him. so do his angels and other prophets right down to Jesus.
i think what ypur describing is the european slave trade. Slavery was abholished in ARABIA with the advent of the NOBLE Prophet salalahualaihewasallam. as for mutalatioon this is ignorant cultural practice. Incidently abortion is also a form of mutalation of the feotus/child.
Yeah didn't Mohammed marry and fuck a 6 year old called Aisha in your Quran? Loads of Muslims have married kids in the past because of that. You fuck kids and treat your older women like slaves, love truly is blind.
ANTIJPUG Slavery was never abolished in Islam and it's still in practice today in many Muslims countries in Africa and even Saudi Arabia. Your NOBAL Prophet was a slave trader himself. You need to read your Hadiths.
"The Prophet said, 'The freed slave belongs to the people who have freed him.'" Bukhari (80:753)
Muhammad sells a slave for money. He was thus a slave trader. Bukhari (34:351)
A woman is rebuked by Muhammad for freeing a slave girl. The prophet tells her that she would have gotten a greater heavenly reward by giving her to a relative (as a slave) Bukhari (47.765)
ANTIJPUG NONSENSE and don't lie, as you delude ONLY yourself and show us your childish ignorance/dishonesty
islam HASNT abolished slavery…it allows it to this very day
you dribble about a purported allah, lie that islam is about love, then tell me Im damaged and twisted lol…no doubt you also believe koran has no errors in it or changes made to it lol….and that the moon split and mohammed flew on a winged horse up to a heaven
noble prophet…the dirty prick mohammed was hated/loathed by MOST in his day, but controlled by killing…he was a pedo/rapist/necrophile/liar/thief/crossdresser/slave taker/sicko deviant and MURDERER of innocents…and you are so 'damaged/ignorant' you want to think such denotes noble LOL
the crowds are hilarious, boos and claps for the same person. 😂
well yes people have different views and if you're referring to the community leader they were annoyed cus he didn't answer the question properly, but once he gave his answer, they liked it.
26:18... She's Christian and she's lesbian and in God's image. Can you see why Christianity is going extinct?
Christianity is growing worldwide. But in our belief God will separate the wheat from the tares.
Does that mean I can be a vegan but also munch meat all the time?
The guy states "when are Muslims going to accept..." If the law says you have the same rights, you can't be discriminated against why do you need someone's approval to validate your life. His mom and friends accept him isn't that enough or do we need laws that tell people what they can and think.
There are two ways that people interpret what he meant, it's either.
1. He's afraid that someone will attack or discriminate him, trust me, it happens, it's Islam we're talking about here.
2. He's an insecure lil entitled unfaithful brat that loves two-timing (Muslim and gay)
he wants the religion to change to suit his desire, feelings. The religion is not based on one or two peoples feelings. It provides objective morality.
a5amr2 one or two people’s feelings. Hmmm. So are you saying there are only one or two homosexual people in the world or Muslim? Just to straight forward. Either of those are untrue. Just sayin’.
SoulWatcher72 There's much much less gays than straight people and a whole ideology will not completely change for a couple of people. This is what's wrong with gay people. They want the whole world to change their beliefs which can never be possible. His family and friends accept him. That should be enough.