The Roman salute actually has its origin in "The Oath of the Horatii", a 18th Century french painting that shows three romans raising their hands. Considering Mussolini's passion for neoclassical art, it would not be surprising that he created the f4scist/roman salute inspired by that painting
@TetsuShima By my understanding, he copied it from the film Cabiria, of which Gabriele D'Annunzio was a secondary writer (surprised HE took a secondary role for once), where it was indeed present. Now, where Giovanni Pastrone (main writer, director, and producer) and D'Annunzio got the idea... It was likely that painting. But if there's something from Fascist Italy whose origin you aren't sure of, blame D'Annunzio, he was usually involved in some way (and if he wasn't Mussolini had paid him some ridiculous bribe. Like the WARSHIP IN THE GARDEN to not ruin diplomatic talks with Germany).
The Roman salute may not have been a thing historically, but the fascist salute of the 1930's and 40's is in fact a historical fact. Germany documented the hell out of its use, and what its users stood for.
"You are either with us or against us" - US President George W. Bush at the start of US military intervention in the Middle East to help Israel 25 years ago.
@@huntermccoy7641 Yes. They used "socialist" the same way North Korea uses "Democratic" in its official name. That is to say, its a perversion of the word, used entirely for propaganda and to lure the workers that werent overly enthusiastic over the racist ideals to vote for them. Most "socialist" programs the Yatzees (YT C*nsor*hip) implemented were upon further investigation pretty much a common thing to be wanted by most parties at the time, and obviously only available for a limited amount of people depending on origin and wealth.
Clearly you didn’t watch the video if ur asking a question 😂 it wasn’t created by the fascist it came from a time of kings and queens and the fascist used it
@@MotoAura1k clearly I don't need to listen to this guy Tell me anything because I already know history and I know what I saw with my eyes. Elon Musk threw 2 Nazi salutes and those simping for him also makes them also Nazis.
@@MotoAura1kit's right in the beginning he said it was used as propaganda, what he didn't say was the word fascist, but the propaganda he was referring to was made by the national socialist party of Germany.
But he's wrong, and even concedes at 17:00 that indeed the right arm was raised as a show of the “emperors will” also he said no one writes about it, but Cicero does: "Although that youth [the young Caesar Octavian] is powerful and has told Antony off nicely: yet, after all, we must wait to see the end. But what a speech! He swore his oath with the words: 'so may I achieve the honours of my father!', and at the same time he stretched out his right hand in the direction of his statue."
@@cjmurphy7967 The worst part for me is not that it could happen, but that a large amount of people would defend it, incluing large newsanchors and podcasthosts
The worst part is he thinks he is so funny and smart and he thought he would get away with it. He probably thought to himself “epic trolling! le epic kek! Sneed”
Who runs the political parties in the USA right now? What's happening inside the Democratic Party now? How about the Republican Party? Is it all being done in secret? Why no reporting?
i swear if i see this quote one more time ima shoot myself. but tbh honest this is more of a "assume stupidity before you assume malice" typa thing. and no one is saying that didnt look like a nazi salute.
For the last 4 years I've seen conservatives posting this quote everywhere in response to something or other. Now I'm seeing liberals posting it everywhere in response to this. And I wonder the same thing now as I did then: how many people posting this quote have actually read 1984?
I often see people from US speaking about nazis. Fun fact, we quite never do it in Europe, and Europe has been much more impacted by nazis then USA ... It's quite a bit of mythology now.
@@nalinux yeah that is quite interesting 🤔. Though it's become more of an obsession for those who label themselves as "antifascist." Rather than those who unironically labeled themselves as "fascist." It's sort of become a boogeyman to these people
Because the fascists know it does not really do well with the public. They did it in Britain and immediately got their aahs whooped and proceeded to cry in media. "Why can't we pogrom the muslims in 2025, bro?" @@albertbecerra
@ When people think about Nazis, they think about movie characters. The same way people think about Ancient Rome or Egypt, or even pirates. They are defined more by pop culture than the reality of their behaviour.
Yes, and the best part of it for me is when that Roman guard has him correct the Latin grammar in his forbidden graffiti instead of arresting him in this typical old-school Latin teacher style 😂 absolutely hilarious to my linguistic heart
@@hiromilongthe Monty python crew had a boarding school survivor among their number. I am sure that scene comes from personal experience with Latin teachers in British schools.
Also the most accurate depiction of Middle Eastern politics (from the Bronze Age to today), with the revolutionaries supposedly forming to fight the Romans, but actually spending most of their time fighting with each other.
Isn't it surprising that nobody tries so hard to explain this even after so many people have lost their jobs and were fired for doing it but today Musk does it and people make an entire video trying to brush it off 🤡 🤡
i grew up in an area in Australia where there were many Italian migrants and their families, we used to joke that the only way to stop an Italian from speaking, was to hold his hands so they cant be moved , therefore preventing gesticulation
Here's another: Why was the Italian intelligence services rather good (and it was)? Because whenever an Italian spy was caught and tied down for questioning, he was incapable of talking.
Also Australian, I worked with an Italian guy and I asked about the "hand" thing. He basically said it's for emphasis and, as Italians were all dramatic, it caused lots of hand movement. He then said he noticed that Aussies talk with their head, nodding in a direction, gesturing a "come here" etc and he said he knows why. I said "I'll bite, why?" He said "Well, when you all first got here you were all wearing hand cuffs and heavy chains so you couldn't use your hands so you used your head"!
People from Romance-language countries can have a hard time in more Germanic cultures, because they miss the hugging and other physical contact, and they're often ridiculed for their hand gestures. It feels cold to them. But on the other side, the Germanic people can feel overwhelmed by all the touching and gesticulating. It's good to hang out together, and learn about other cultures! No need for ridicule. Just watch and learn.
Fun fact: Asterix and Obelix started being published in 1959; both its authors had lived through WW2. The "small village of indomitable gauls" was a stand-in for the Resistance, and one of the Roman centurions, Nebulus Nimbus, is a transparent caricature of Benito Mussolini.
Of course they were! Accurately depicted in series of movies. All the facts for the films were scrupulously selected following the secret Roman documents, hidden by scientists under the flat earth for the reasons everyone knows. Well, THOSE reasons.
Even if the Roman salute was real you could still make the argument of “riddle me this? What far more well known salute is derived from the Roman salute?”
@@invaderzod8092 You would have to be a mental defective to think green energy electric car space travel future of human kind elon musk is a funny moustache man. The rhetoric is so absurd it hurts to think people are actually that gullible.
that is not correct. the Terran salute was fist on chest, then arm parallel to the ground and hand upraised (like you're saying "stop" with your hand). i don't know if Kurtzman later changed it to be a nazi salute because he's an idiot that never watched Star Trek, but it was 100% not a nazi salute in the 60s tv show.
@@genautelevishn5999 "every single European did" lol wtf? You must be american... Do you understand it was Europeans fighting that Austrian painter? omg... 🤦♂
Excellent debunking my friend. This debate has caused me to lose so many brain cells telling people, there's no "Roman Salute". We can assume there were some kind of salutes/gestures used for military/govn't purposes, but without sources, we will never know for sure. What I have been seeing on the Internet is also the claim that there's no salutes whatsoever, not even gestures. Which is completely wrong, as human civilizations have used gestures/salutes/hand signals since before the invention of language! The Internet is a wild place.
In Ancient China they had their salutes in the army. In Ancient Egypt they had their head & hand gesture in the military. There's no reason why Ancient Romans didn't have their own salute. In any highly disciplined military structure you need to openly show you are paying respect and at attention.
@@noamto That is not a cons. - It heavily depends on the posts you made before. Made a lot of posts other people didn't like? Well, then good luck getting stuff like even the name of countries trough. Or just look at Metatrons video from roughly 1-2 weeks ago where he is talking about comments he gets. Take a very close look at a lot of them. Pause the video, then you can read every single one of them. Why did most of them not show up? What was problematic about them?
I think the Nod is a great example of historical gestures. The universal symbol for "Yes," a nod can mean "I understand" or "You're correct," and seems to be just about everywhere. I unfortunately know very little about (absolutely nothing) about how far back this gesture goes, but I assume at least to the very late 1800s. I know this isn't really related, but I thought I'd bring it up.
@@mecongberlin 20 years ago i was an Asterix ,(i still have an Asterix moustache) but now im older and somewhat fatter im more of a very short Obelix, lol
If there were not the facts, of him helping far right parties all over the world. I would have said: it's just a bored rich kid, trying to get attention by bullying others. But with the other facts in mind, it's clear to me. And I can kick myself for not seeing it earlier. The moment it did hit me, was him coming on stage with a black MAGA hat, saying that he was special. A black MAGA. My head went straight to the Camicie Nere. But it was a stretch. Then, in the place of the biggest Nazi rally in history of the US, there he was again. Making it even clearer, by replacing the letters on his black hat, with fractur letters. Calling it in jest Gothic. It was clear to me from that point, Elon is a fascist. After that his push to help the AfD in Germany with his speeches and use of AI propaganda bots, came to no surprise for me. I even look different now, on the fact that he wants to put an X in the names of all his corporations. Like Trump said, they like weaving words. He is just toying with us. Knowing that he is so rich, he could buy an army to do his bidding. He went in my mind from cool nerd doing good, straight to a complete evil nightmare.
He was never good. He just has great pr. And now he thinks we are primed for him to drop the mask. And i am afraid he's right. He did this and the media falls and the general public fall in line to protect him.
A point on touching the armor while wearing it: police and troops can often be seen placing a hand at the collar of a ballistic vest. Some stuff never changes.
I wear body armour (outer carrier) everyday for work. Everyone's hands are either on their collar or on their chest under the armor (especially when's it's cold). The other natural position is resting your hand on your sidearm but I train not to do that in public, looks bad.
@psycomutt good call on the side arm. I've found myself resting my hands on the collar of my plate carrier more than a couple times, and I don't even wear it regularly or in a professional capacity.
Watch American football. They hook their hands onto the top of their "armor" all the time. I worked in construction and wearing the very heavy nail/tool bags around the waist does give one a sense of being powerful. Carrying around the tools to create or destroy a building is actually powerful.
@@792slayer it's weird that you just naturally do that when wearing armor. Eventually I'll own a Lorica Segmentata and find out if the Romans had the same thing, lol.
15:47 just out of curiosity, i actually checked if chatgpt said those things when asked, and it said precisely what Metatron is saying in this video, that it's a 18th-19th century invention with no historical basis.
ChatGPT doesn't know anything by itself. It only regurgitates text that it finds on the web and restructures it in a way that sounds appropriate to the question asked. The quality of its responses depends directly on the quality of the texts it uses.
@@ThomasJohansson-mo5gfTrue if You use it only as a google machine. You can use it to analize data, and transform this data in anything that You need from it. Graphs, statistics, idk, presentations.
Orwell was warning us about the communism he saw in USSR that was being glazed by the World Press even as millions were being brutally murdered and tortured. If you think he was trying to warn us about the ideology that was utterly crushed by the communists and their Liberal allies, you are historically ignorant and his warning was wasted.
Guy made a lot of Nazi jokes afterwards. I dont think he didn't know. I think like most people he fundamentally doesnt understand Roman culture, where he would not get near the respect he does now. I don't believe he is an ideological fascist, upside down Italian train man would not be wasting time on a PoE stream. He was either trying to get people to talk about him OR was hoping people would do it back
Context is important. Elon Musk did that while supporting a LITERAL Nazi party in Germany, the Alternative for Germany, and just days after interviewing them. He did that while supporting a literal Nazi in the UK, Tommy Robinson. Tommy Robinson party is the British National Party (BNP). The British National Party (BNP) founder, John Tyndall, has pictures of him with a literal SS uniform, with a literal Nazi flag and a picture of a very literal Adolph Hitler. Days after the NAZI GESTURE that Elon Musk did, he appeared in an AFD rally in Germany, two days before the day they remember the Holocaust in Germany, saying that, "Germany needs to get past guilt." After doing the gesture Mor0n Musk was praised by literal, self-identified, Nazi groups and made NO EFFORT to dissociate himself from them. It's like you are falsely accused of supporting p3d0phyly@ and you don't make it VERY CLEAR you are not one of them and in fact hate them. So, yeas, Elon musk is a Nazi and is a threat to the entire world supporting and funding far right movements, all over the globe, from BRAZIL, my country, to Australia.
Well he’s also been one of the biggest Jewish supporters and the Jews of Israel and most of America don’t see him as a racist Nazi, yall spouted this bs about Trump and moved to Elon NOBODY CARES
THIS. it's weird the denial of Elon supporting neofasci5ts. it's not just the salute. it's also his support to the far right party in Germany. he is clearly trying to get those reactionary groups on his side. cause they are useful for him, even if he is not a naz1 himself
The facial expression he conveyed during the salut doesn't line up with his explanation, that almost negates him just being awkward. I think he was probably trolling, since that lines up with his typical behavior and actions, that's my hopeful interpretation. The 2nd most likely is that he was signaling to the world, he's untouchable, I have unlimited power that I can do this salute and there's nothing you can do about it. This makes me worried for the world even if he's isn't a not see, when someone is above the law and their actions may suggest we might be heading toward his dictator phase.
My favourite thing about this is how people are claiming the gesture was OK because it's allegedly from the Romans, as if the Romans weren't notoriously violent and oppressive while engaging in mass slavery and enforcing strict social hierarchies based on an ideology of dominance.
He grew up in apartheid south Africa. Option three is impossible. So that leaves him either a. Being a nazi or b. Willing to joke in a manner that empowers nazis. I don't think a reasonable person should see much difference between a. or b. The effect is identical.
The dude literally spoke at neonazi rallies, so yes, it's A. musk is the actual end boss of this new era as the American empire collapses. Trump is merely a pawn.
I would give him the benefit of the doubt it if wasn’t compounded with him showing support and actively appearing at rallies for right parties in other countries. If it was truly a mistake (or a misinformed decision) he would not have responded in the way he did online. Beautiful video btw :)
@@JeDindk That salute isnt the sign of the Republican Party its the sign of Hitler. You cant make this shit up, Elon is just testing the limits at this point.
@@JeDindkabsolutely, but again like the original comment said; he has directly complimented neo’s and white supremacists, agreed with their twisted understanding of history on his platform, and donated to other nations governmental parties that support fascism and radical racist policies.
He said “my heart goes out to you” as he did it. His gesticulation matched what he said at the time he did this, which tells me it was a heartfelt and excited expression. In other words, ppl are making way too much out of way too little, and it’s become tedious, at best. There’s video of Tim Walz making the exact same excited gesture, and you know what’s missing? All the accusations of him being a Nazi. Literally zero ppl said that about him. This seems to support the idea that the ONLY reason ppl say this about Musk is due to their own preconceived notions and biases, and I, for one, am sick and tired of ppl deciding that other ppl are “Nazis” bc of how THEY CHOOSE to interpret their behavior. You don’t get to attack someone’s character simply bc YOU decided that something they did means this or that. It’s stupid, childish, and irrational, and ppl have had enough.
@@liz9284americans are not smart in general as proven by the internet and their own media from time to time. Supporting real N-see? as with Ukraine and obvious hand gestures, badges, behaviour, acts to the people from 1940? Yes! We give all our support! I support them!" A billionare doing something not even closely associated with the N-see? "BIG REAL DEAL! We AGAINST N-SEE" Americans in genetic is hypocrite by nature apparently.
You are both full of shite! How is it that you and the main stream.media can degrade a handicapped person without any repercussions. Elon is autistic and has Jerry movements if you hadn't noticed. How about keep your opinions and defamation to yourself.
Listen, the reality is that it was intended to be a Nazi salute. No one does a "roman salute" in the year of 2025. To suggest so is an insult to your intelligence. If you were to do it at your workplace, you would be fired. If you did it in your personal life, you would be pushed away. But we're supposed to give it a pass because we are supposed to interpret what it could be. I take it for what it is.
Isn’t that the core issue here? Regardless of the leaning of a gesture, it should be within our rights to express it. Pushing to criminalize a major component of 1a is exactly what the people behind the gesture did. The only thing achieved through this tantrum, is what those politicos would have done in their time.
21:25 No way it is option 3. Impossible he does not know what he is doing. It does not matter if it is option 1 or option 2. Neo-Nzs were very happy to see Elon doing it. He is a disgraceful, and repugnant individual, who had the nerve to do this in front of the whole world to see.
I've watched a lot of musk's speeches over the years and I can guarantee you he is awkward as fuck giving them. Even interviews he sucks at. I watched the entire speech in question and it's just normal him doing his normal awkward shit. Being live like that I'm surprised he did that well. His hair wasn't even taken care of.
It doesn’t matter they hardly even have to do anything, the people run with it regardless, look at the amount of people in these comments that believe it 🤯 madness!
Just an observation of Elon Musk and an update. Elon Musk spoke at an AfD campaign event on Saturday, the AfD being a far-right German political party. "“Children should not be guilty of the sins of their parents, let alone their great-grandparents...There is too much focus on past guilt, and we need to move beyond that." The event is 2 days before the International Holocaust Remembrance Day. Hmm
I mean that phrase is not wrong in a vacuum, people should not be blamed for the crimes of their ancestors (caveat: so long as they don't also commit them). But given that the one saying it is Elon and who he is talking to... yeah to many coincidences.
What's wrong with those statements? The Remembrance Day date also isn't that relevant, the German federal elections are next month, that's why there was a large campaign rally.
As a German - and I can speak for my entire social environment - we have learned very early about the responsibility of being the descendents of the perpetrators of the holocaust. Responsibility. Not guilt. Not shame. Nothing keeping us from looking forward by remembering what our forefathers did, the consequences of which are still resonating in our country and many others. We just get antsy when people do Nazi sht. We know Nazi sht. We don't like Nazi sht.
@@Noyen1922 The issue with those statements are that they are pretty much based on half truths. Noone in Germany is being told they are guilty. Noone is being blamed either (unless they profited off of the N@zi Regime directly, ie they own Companies that were close to N@zi Leadership, without acknowledging so). What we do have in Germany is a widespread commitment to making sure those crimes never happen again, through learning and remembering it. At best one could say as children we get taught to be ashamed of what our country did, and wanting to change ***that*** is questionable. Because who, besides N@zis, wants to relevate the Hölöcaust, to the point even Israel and Poland are in major outcry over it?
@@Noyen1922 Maybe the fact that it was said to the party that has implemented nsdap rhetoric on several occasions, trying to downplay what the afd is doing. We cannot ever just "move past" the holocaust, lest we cannot recognize when fascism tries to come back.
Musk’s two salutes were widely perceived as offensive, and he responded with more offensive snark. This delighted MAGA and confirmed his intent for the rest of us. Musk is capable of expressing himself with respect and dignity to his fans. And Musk is capable of responding with respect and dignity to his critics. He chose to reply to criticism with arrogance, defiance and snark. Message clear. Another incident of threatening nonsense from a privileged MAGA elitist, and another example of MAGA complicity and/or approval. Trending extremist abuse …not a good look MAGA. You’re only fooling yourselves.
Elon could be signaling to the far right AND trolling the left at the same time, one doesn’t exclude the other… 🤷🏽♂ He also supports far right parties in Germany (AfD) & the U.K. (British nationalist party) (Besides MAGA that is)
@@SioxerNikita few thousand people? 😂 At this point the entire maga party (there’s no Republican Party anymore) IS the far right sweetie, wake up! And before you start your little nonsense about how that’s arbitrary go look up the definition of the far right & see how many boxes today’s maga checks! Bye bye 👋
Its always "far" right never just right with you people which is why you see boogeymen everywhere when they are just normal people. Its ones like you that are crazy because you conditioned yourself to be that way.
Your one and two are functionally indistinguishable. We can never know anybody’s intentions. What we do know is the gesture that he made. The context clues we have available are a history of mocking the victims of the former users of that salute, we have a history of him sharing statements by people who deny the crimes of those former users of this salute, what we have is a history of him sharing statements by people who speak in broad negative terms about the largest group targeted by those formers users of the salute, we have context of him supporting far right movements throughout Europe including the political descendants of that historical political ideology that formally used this salute, and we of course have the context of the speech itself which people aren’t talking about. The context in which this salute was given is the only clearly planned part of the entire speech. It begins by talking about the feeling of “Victory” - and of course we should all take a moment to reflect on the German word for”Victory”. It then proceeds into describing the victory as happening at a “fork in the road of civilization” and that “this election really mattered”. The salute is then given twice and clearly. Some members of the audience returns and holds the gesture throughout his entire remaining portion of the speech in response. After his pause he gives himself the pre-planned out. And then he reflects a famous paraphrase used by people who wish to re-invoke this historical ideology modernly (UA-cam would not let me say their name - obviously). This reflection of those “seven plus seven” “units of a sentence” conclude his planned remarks. After which he just rambles directionlessly on and on while mostly basking in the applause of the audience. The reflection is “we have assured the future of civilization” which of course we can use his prior uses of the word “civilization” to understand who he thinks to be included in that civilization and who he does not think is a part of that civilization. Ultimately it’s too many coincidences. I think the third option provided here just makes no sense at all. This man is fully aware of what that salute is and as I said creating a distinction between the first and second is irrelevant to me. For one thing, they can both be true. For another, they both concede that he made the gesture that he clearly made. And finally, I’m just not inclined to believe that his throwing this salute during a discussion of “Victory” and his use of the phrase “Fork in the road of civilization” that is very similar to the mentioned AHPainter’s “crossroads of civilization” followed by his reflection of the new followers of AHPainter favorite saying just leads to the conclusion that there are too many parts of this lining up to honestly conclude it wasn’t what it was.
@@christianclark347 yep. That makes his actions more sinister, no? He’s still making h cost “jokes” after seeing a room full of the human hair stolen from victims of those crimes. He’s still making h cost jokes after seeing hundreds of acres of wooden shacks where people were systematically penned awaiting the end of their days. He saw the facilities where they were experimented on, the photos take a, the ovens. He still makes the jokes about something that isn’t even a little funny. You must realize there are some vile people quite obviously who see that horrible place as aspirational, no? I thinks he’s thoroughly demonstrated himself to be among those people, and those who defend him at this stage are showing they may themselves be sympathetic or so naive as to not really be different from being sympathetic to that same mindset, yourself included.
@@christianclark347And agreed that "The Jews machinate against the whites" and also vehemently supports the very "uhhh we werent so bad in ww2 guys cmon..." party in Germany AfD
@@christianclark347 So that he can heave defenders say what you just did. He has overtly agreed with nazis on Twitter, and unbanned them after they were banned. There's a lot of plausible deniability going on here. He wants to send these messages and then make it look like he might have not meant what it looks like he meant. IMHO the guy is a closet Nazi, though not so closet anymore....
I believe the fact that he openly endorses The Alternative for Germany (AfD) and consistently signal boosts extreme far-right individuals, their views, and conspiracy theories on his platform provides substantial evidence regarding his personal stance on these matters.
If you think AfD is some far right fascist organisation is proof you are in fact the product of an actual fascist regime. Spoon fed beyond recognition….
What I love about Metatron is how unbiased he is, which leads to EVERYONE hating him. Egyptians weren't "black": Ankh Right/some mainstream hate. Roman's weren't "white": White Nationalist hate. The Pope preached woke universalism: Trad Right love. The "Roman" salute was fascist propaganda: No wait, Trad Right hate.
And the biggets reason he did it is because he knows not only he's the world's almost to be first trillionaire but also nobody, other than the government, would dare to sue him because he has enough lawyers and money to throw away against any lawsuit. That's why rich people get away with any crime cause they know they either say it was a joke or use their money to get away with it.
What ideal does the AfD hold? What kind of party are they? Do you know much about them? Im asking because you most likely know nothing about that party.
I’ll answer for him. AFD is a German Nationalist party, that has expressed Apologetics for Hit*er, practiced revisionist history, and have slandered different ethnic groups, particularly ethnic groups from the Middle East and Africa. Notice I didn’t say left or right because ultimately it doesn’t matter(to me). if your beliefs are not humanistic and from compassion, and truth. You’re a party that doesn’t deserve respect or this time I’m offering.
@@Stefanius058 He supports a guy who doesn't give a damn about democratic institutions, the separation of powers, the constitution and congress, who has no problem with an armed assault on an official building, who has the support of people who own more than half of America, etc... Order reigns in Warsaw...
@@Stefanius058 i know all about them. Youre not going to defend the diet N@zi party. And if you feel that assessment is incorrect, you are being purposefully disingenuous.
Regarding the reasons why he did it, I do not think it is unreasonable to think he was doing a gesture to the fascist. He could believe it is a Roman salute but it very difficult to give him the benefit of doubt because the arrogance, gaslighting and dismissive attitude coming out his camp. By the way, I do not like calling it a Nazi salute because people's knowledge of fascism in general is rather limited, and in my experience fascism outside of Germany is hardly discussed and treated like a footnote to extend that people believe Hitler came up with it.
@@raskolnikov6443 People on the left and on the right all agree that it was the nazi salute. Only people in the center are saying it wasn't. It was clearly a nazi salute, and many people in MAGA are excited about it.
If it's just trolling, I have to say that it's extremely childish of him. It's in character to him. That option also sounds pretty crappy, since it means that a major influence on a big world leader wants to "troll" people over being respectful at an inauguration.
According to Elon Musk's father "My ex-wife's parents came to South Africa from Canada because they sympathized with the Afrikaner government. In fact, they were very fanatical about apartheid," he said. Moreover, when the grandfather was young, he joined the 'Technocracy Incorporated' movement, which supported technocrats ruling countries. Musk's father pointed out that Musk's grandfather supported Nazi Germany: "They used to support Hitler. Obviously I don't think they knew what the Nazis were doing". According to him, the billionaire has tried to hide part of his family life so that these kinds of details are not known, with a lot of fantasy in his stories.
I always thought it was the reverse of the "other salute" where you start with your arm out as the "Hail" the slam your fist to your chest as the "Ceasar" ending with your fist against your chest. The "other" salute ends with your arm extended out.
as Italian and a descendants of the Samnites, your 100% correct , The salute is military salute using the right arm you point it forward ay angle you bring your right arm forming a fist and Hitting your left breast in fist hitting your heart ! (it means from the Gods above to my heart and Honor ) Let be known other nations in world during this time as well did this type of salute in China and Korea all way up to 2nd Korea war of 3 kingdoms ( not to be confused with China war of 3 kingdoms ) .
As I heard someone say, "it looks they way it looks, because it is, what it is. Trust your eyes" The way he looked around before, the context of what he said just before it, the repeated motion of it, the severity, and ease of recognition of that salute. Combined with his responses after. Leans heavily towards an intentional act, with the after thought of deniability comment thrown in after. He has done the "give my heart to you" before and it was a completely different motion. Even with that thought process, the only thing I can do about it is to remind friends and family that one does not just throw out that motion on a whim.
@@mathewsydney8929your eyes are the easiest to fool, ask any magician. If you don't have spiritual discernment you are left with your own whim of opinion.
@@SioxerNikita You are ridiculous. The vulnerability of people’s memory to manipulation of irrelevant here. We have the video of him doing it and can watch it over and over to confirm exactly what he did. And for the last century that gesture has only meant one thing to the entire world, which is a salute to fascism.
The thing I find most frustrating is that we will never know exactly what the salute was, despite it being so presumably common. It's frustrating that even with all the extant records we have that we'll always be missing things as regular as this
@@SteelStorm33 I am not referring to Musk, I'm referring to the actual Romans in antiquity. There are innumerous behaviors that we'll never know the exact appearance of. Roman soldiers DID salute, just as they had a formal method of march, of formation, etc. Some of them we know, but others we do not because they were never depicted or never discussed in any remaining texts. Metatron is not saying that Romans did not salute, he is saying the motion that has often been labeled as such is not a Roman salute.
@@Esauofisaac Is it because the ever changing emperors and the militaries were shuffling power too frequent that the uniform 'salute' is fictional due to disorder in the military? Imagine this; the protelriate guard keeps assassinating the emperor and the top general (I use it for modern term) keeps scheming to appease the Lord Emperor by offering marriage alliance. At this point-- many powers keep shuffling and generals playing musical chairs... the soldiers are like... so what is the greeting? A thought to ponder. What say you of my assumption?
@@ErikPT That's another factor to consider, after all Rome lasted several centuries, you can debate how much of that history was truly Roman but surely military and civilian greetings and customs changed repeatedly. Crazy to think that however much we know, there's so much we'll never even get a glimmer of.
The romans are usually pretty good at scribbling any sort of nonsense on their mind. The antique world has a lot of little moments when something was so familiar that it only referenced.
I think if it was any other gesture, any other context, I could see an arguement for 'he didn't know'. But I don't think it's unfair to say that's probably one of the MOST recognisable gestures the world has ever known, and the chance of him doing it by mistake are extremely low. Even for a sheltered billionaire.
Imagine if he gave everybody the finger, twice, with that look on his face, and then claimed that he was just "pointing up" in hopes of good things to come. That's essentially what this was, and people are acting like he doesn't know what the middle finger means and must have done it by accident. If you replace one well-known gesture with the other, the whole scenario becomes absurd immediately. The ONLY reason people are saying this wasn't what it was is that they don't want to believe someone like Musk could be someone like that. And he is relying on this bias to give him cover. He never once said he made a mistake or apologized. The Occam's Razor take here is that the guy did a nazi salute because the guy is a nazi. Not complicated.
few days later, the man speaks to the German AfD crowd that they shouldn't be ashamed or let their history hold them back. Even with putting everything else he does to the side, you still put your wager that it was "just a troll" or perhaps a bet? That's Crazy work
I believe Elon Musk is a fascist because he shares fascist propaganda on Twitter. His father says Elon‘s grandparents were Nazis. We saw what we saw and I’m sick of the gaslighting.
And the most insane thing is that the AfD co-chairwoman he spoke to, Alice Weidel, was claiming the NSDAP to be COMMUNIST! And that it was only after the fact, that he was "labeled right-wing and conservative." The third reich in reality was openly and vehemently _opposed_ to communism, and wished to destroy it.
Adrian Dittman was unmasked to be Elon Musk. With this persona he wrote in 4chan that he's definitely fascist. Why is it so unlikely that he just did a fascist salute?
It's A with the bit of C, A it was on purpose, and C he's a bit of an idiot. I'm leaning more towards A considering his Grandparents are on record as being fans of the Austrian Painter. But thank you for re-confirming what many us already knew that this was one of the few things that the Romans didn't do for us.
First of all, we need to identify the context and Elon's intention: Was Elon saluting? No, he was throwing his heart to the crowd. He literally said, "My heart goes out to you." It's very easy to see that gesture, conflate it with a "nazi salute" and freak out because we have been conditioned to only see it as a bad thing; it is being used to confirm a bias of hatred for the "right." If we use our rational mind, we discover that he was not saluting but rather grabbing his heart and throwing it to the crowd as a gesture of love. Arguing that he was doing a "Roman salute" is just as wrong as arguing that he did a "nazi salute."
@@panzer00 Nazis and their ilk have *always* used (im)plausible deniability and dog whistles to spread their filth. Musk himself has spread antisemitic conspiracy nonsense before (for instance calling a tweet 'the truth' which said that 'Jewish communties have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.' I am begging you to actually use your 'rational mind' as you put it, because your comment is pure mental gymnastics.
@@panzer00 My heart goes out to you is used in a moment of grief, not of celebration. just as roman salutes didn't exist, the "my heart goes out to you" is not fit for this context. Then you say "If we ouse our rational mind", and that's exactly how I came to this conclusion. When I woke up and saw the picture I gave the benefit of the doubt, but as I saw the video, it became more and more apparent how it was a Nazi salute.
@MajWinters100 He said, "My heart goes out to you"... did you even watch his entire speech? He was showing gratitude. You are blatantly ignoring context to support your irrational hatred. Do you understand what a "salute" is? He didn't salute; he made a gesture. If you analyze the "nazi salute" it is a salute made in very specific way; not at all in the way Elon made his gesture of throwing his heart to the crowd when he said, "My heart goes out to you." You're proving the point I made in the original comment, by the way but you lack the intellectual integrity to comprehend it and challenge your conditioning. He didn't do any salute; anyone who thinks he did is desperately clinging to misconceptions. Do you know how many pictures there of Obama, Clinton, Harris and many other politicians doing the same "salute?" This has been blown out of proportion to further division and hatred.
@@panzer00 Yes, we watched the video and heard what he said. What exactly is different between the gesture Elon did and a Nazi salute? You claim it's 'made in a very specific way', and I agree - in the very specific way you can clearly see Elon performing in the video. He puts his fist to his chest and then quickly snaps out his locked arm. None of the politians you named have ever perfomed this gesture - that's precisely why you're talking about pictures and not videos. As for his words, once again, pretending that dogwhistles don't exist is precisely the ignorance of context you accuse us of. Where is the intellectual integrity in pretending that fascists and their ilk don't regularly use (im)plausible deniability and dog whistles? And where is the intellectual honesty in ignoring his history of antisemitic remarks? What exactly would the man have to do before you believe he is what he's clearly demonstrated himself to be? No matter how many times you call your opponents 'irrational', it doesn't make your mental gymnastics any more coherent.
elon musks salute was identical to the video going around on facebook where from the looks of it a nazi, with a black swastika flag, does it, side by side with elon musk. From the heart pump and everything.
Why would he come out of anywhere and do this? 1) His grand parents had associations with nazis. 2) His parents owned an apartheid emerald mine. 3) He supports AFD who said SS is not criminals, so bad that the french national rally, who is also far-right, said they will no longer sit with AFD in the european committee, distancing them directly from AFD. 4) Wanted the release of far-right extremists who did a certain salute, saying "my heart goes out to you".
The third post, he never apologized for making the salute. He could have apologized for making a nazi salute. But he didnt, he tried to instead come with excuses.
Looking at the angle of his body as he does the "salute," you must think that anyone pretending to be an airplane is throwing out the ol' HH every time they bank left. And you really need to pay attention to how often such gestures are used by the Left too, and remember who it is that wants to keep the citizenry armed and able to overthrow tyranny.
You don't become the richest man in this version of the world by being blind to what that gesture means. It clearly means what we think it does, and he's well aware of it. He can't be touched, like you said, which is why he did it.
I wouldn't mind betting that President Musk thought that he would get social media engagement and traditional media coverage by doing it, thus raising the profile of the whole sordid affair. No publicity is bad publicity in the mind of the "untouchable"...
That whole thing where the SpaceX guy leaned to one side and shot his arm out into the air while saying - twice - my heart goes out to you all. Just like an Austrian Painter. You can see Mr. Painter leaning to one side and shooting his arm out to the side in so many old videos, with the crowds all leaning to one side and raising their arms to the side. The resemblance is uncanny.
Musk speaking in an AfD conference, which most Germans consider a neo-nazi party and have giant protests against, in the same week he did the salute, says everything you need to know.
@@Lilliathi You know what would be a great way for them to convince everyone they aren't Nazis? Inviting a billionaire who did a Nazi salute in front of the world a few days past to speak in their conference. Wait, I meant the opposite of that.
@@SioxerNikita 1) All of Germany’s mainstream political parties have said they will not work with the AfD. Thus, not a minority. 2) The protesters "choose" nothing. They *protest*. Y'know, that like you do in a democracy. 3) The AfD wants to ban circumcision and kosher food. 4) AfD members spoke about banning Holocaust memorials. 5) AfD wants to ban same-sex marriage, deport naturalized German citizens who come from immigrant families, and return to "old gender roles". 6) AfD members are involved in numerous scandals tying them to Neo-Nazis and speaking with Neo-Nazi retoric. It walks like a duck. It quacks like a duck. What is it?
My personal opinion is this...i dont think he was trying to do a nazi salute or a "roman salute"..i dont even think he was trying to do anything nefarious....however, i do think, if he is as smart as he says he is, he should have absolutely known NOT to do something like that...ive seen comments of people on social media using his "asbergers/autism" as an excuse, saying he is either socially awkward or doesn't know social cues..if that's the case, why in the world would anyone think it's a good thing that he is in the position trump put him in? The one place where proper social cues/gestures, etc is imperative IS the government!
Context is important. Elon Musk did that while supporting a LITERAL Nazi party in Germany, the Alternative for Germany, and just days after interviewing them. He did that while supporting a literal Nazi in the UK, Tommy Robinson. Tommy Robinson party is the British National Party (BNP). The British National Party (BNP) founder, John Tyndall, has pictures of him with a literal SS uniform, with a literal Nazi flag and a picture of a very literal Adolph Hitler. Days after the NAZI GESTURE that Elon Musk did, he appeared in an AFD rally in Germany, two days before the day they remember the Holocaust in Germany, saying that, "Germany needs to get past guilt." After doing the gesture Mor0n Musk was praised by literal, self-identified, Nazi groups and made NO EFFORT to dissociate himself from them. It's like you are falsely accused of supporting p3d0phyly@ and you don't make it VERY CLEAR you are not one of them and in fact hate them. So, yeas, Elon musk is a Nazi and is a threat to the entire world supporting and funding far right movements, all over the globe, from BRAZIL, my country, to Australia.
Musk is supporting a lot of far right party in europe, and he firsthandly promote far right contents on X/Twitter. He knews exatcly what he was doing and it's kinda naive to think otherwise...
The AFD isnt far right unless your a literal communist. Their leadership is a lesbian. If you think 2010s degeneracy is extreme right, your civilization is already over and all thats left is to wait for the illusion of it collapse.
@@snakejuice4300 they actually did exist during the last ice age. They weren’t magical but we have found skeletons of horned horse like creatures so yeah
3:45 listen to what Metatron says and then remember that he's a Christian, let that sink in for a second. I feel like he's always so close to going full Atheist, but then he does mental gymnastics and reverts back to being religious. He's giving himself a way out, yeah because he realized he just went full mask off. We have him from other events giving his heart out which is a completely different gesture he makes where he puts his hands into a heart shape over his heart and then moves it out towards people. There are videos of him from earlier that day being high out of his mind, rolling his head and eyes around while standing next to Barron. I don't think he meant to do the salute, but happened to do it because he was too high to stop himself from doing it. "You hear the truth from children and drunk people" in this case someone that is too high to understand the context they are in. On top of that, his own daughter came out saying we should call a spade a spade, do with that information what you want.
The propagandist lives in ambiguity. You will grant the man any excuse you can, because the alternative is beyond your acceptance. He doubled down and made nazi jokes afterwards. Wake the fuck up. Even in your best case scenario, you're admitting that the man is so high during public addresses that he's making what can be argued as nazi salutes. A man with 500 billion dollars, a federal government position, and the ear of the president.
@@joej78 Oh? Why would him trying to maximize his profits move his political positions to the left? It's not as if the man _likes_ his migrant employees, he just abuses a system that benefits him. If he had the option to use cheap and reliable American brains to do coding, Elon Mars would abandon this H1N1 program right away. Heck, if senators Cruise and Mansion themselves could make a quick buck on solar and wind farms, they certainly would, coal and oil interests nonwithstanding.
@ Elon Mars supports one specific migrant program not because he likes those migrant workers (or else he wouldn't fire them in rapid succession and force them to move back), but because he can abuse a system that benefits him. He also didn't buy Tesla because he loves green politics, but because he likes futuristic technology. Especially if it makes him money. Wherever oligarchs like him can make a quick buck, they won't hesitate to do so. That doesn't change their political positions. If Elon Mars were center-right, he'd have supported conservative candidates like Biden and Harris. Nothing about Maga is trying to conserve anything meaningful of 20th century or 21st century American society. In their minds, Nixon and Reagan were liberal losers.
Not really because he was characterising the Romans as a fascist, dominating empire, so using that salute is simply poetic licence to indicate their character in the stories.
@@Theduckwebcomics Well the Roman Empire, after Julius Cesar was a bit fascist. If you now can call something fascist that is not nationalistic. The key element of fascism is to crank up nationalism up to 11. Without nationalism you're just a feudalist and not a fascist.
You spend most of the video debunking the Roman Salute, then you defend Musk's use of it. Explain *why* you don't think he's using it in the fascist sense. If your response is "bEcAuSe aUtIsM" then i suggest your next subject of research is that condition, because I know many autistics, am probably undiagnosed myself, and there isn't anyone on earth that doesn't comprehend the meaning of throwing an arm out like that. The hand doing literally *anything* else at extension (palm up, fingers spread, anything else etc) and there might be the possibility of misinterpretation, but importantly he did it like how everyone understands the fascist salute. Don't make excuses for a billionaire. He's got money to pay for lawyers in defamation cases for that, so don't give him an excuse to shirk away from explaining, apologising or owning it.
I can't stand Musk, but to me this is not a proper salute, so I think he is just an id**t. If you compare original footage from that era with whatever Musk was trying to perform, it just looks completely different. There is no "heartfelt" aspect in the fascist salute at all, and the concept of touching your heart first can't be included in the meaning of a real fascist salute. People are very keen on getting angry these days and it helps that our attention span of 3 seconds doesn't allow us to observe properly.
Short answer: No, it was depicted in a renaissance art peace and believed to be accurate, when there is no evidence that the Romans did this. This is explained by the UA-cam channel “History Buffs” in their video about HBO’s Rome series. Hope this helped!
If the man had no dabblings into extremist politics, I would dismiss his repeated gestures that day. But: - Nasi sympatizers in the US openly praised the guy for his Heil-ing, like Mr. Fuentes. So the right crowd eats this up. - One day later, Elon Mars adressed the far, far right German AfD party and told them to be "proud Germans" (which _is_ a taboo term), among other things. - In his interview with AfD chief Weidel, the man claimed that the H-man was a communist. Also, Elon Mars exclusively supports or acknowledges AfD, no other parties in Germany. Similar outreaches happened to other parties in Europe and thr UK, never to my knowledge to moderates. - On his platform, he regularly X-creets right, alt-right and far right content, never to my knowledge moderate stuff. Among that have been regular denials of the Holocaust and antisemitic tropes, even after he had visited Oswiecim on an educational trip. - His grandparents who migrated from Canada to ZA, were members of the "German party" there. I doubt that Elon Mars was raised fully unaware of this background, especially as he grew up in an Apartheid state. - Elon Mars has not apologized, like regular people would if caught that way. The idea that this man is not aware what he's doing with his gesture, borders on the absurd. That it was meant as a tribute to ancient Rome, equally so. The real intentions behind it could range from trolling to the most sinister (yeah, I know), that's my only doubt.
@@ray495903314 People call him a genius because he's an inheritor corporate raider who completely re-invented social media when he founded an X for a U. You're telling me that this social media genius who has a dozen business meetings daily is a social idiot? No. Elon Mars got constant social feedback for many years with no public scandals like this one, and turned fascist now (within two years!) when his feedback loop told him that only a slow minority of Americans are not full-fledged nasi followers.
Not claiming that my personal experience is universal, but I have never even heard of a "Roman salute" until after Trump's inauguration. It is truly frightening that we have reached a point in history where "was that a Nazi salute?" is even being debated.
Most people have never heard of a "Roman slaute." Even calling it that is something that fascists on the internet made up when other people called them out for doing Nazi salutes. The only people who know about it are Nazis ans the people who argue with them online.
Regardless of what he meant or intended by the two salutes, the Nazi Parry leadership jokes he made after the fact in response the outcry are disgusting.
0:10 Seems you started the stream with an _actual and genuine_ Roman salute as Augustus would have done it. This being so, I salute you on the Conversion of St. Paul!
Imagine my disappointment to learn that the Roman salute wasn't 🤌🤌🤌
Nah that came later and is known as the Italian Salute of "wtf"
How about "The President Skroob Salute" seen in the movie "Spaceballs" (1987)?;)
Much more common these days is the "Facepalm salute". Do it myself rather frequently. Particularly when reading online
😂😂😂
The "sgian dugh " wasn't, either, just a product of Victorian era romantic literature.
The Roman salute actually has its origin in "The Oath of the Horatii", a 18th Century french painting that shows three romans raising their hands. Considering Mussolini's passion for neoclassical art, it would not be surprising that he created the f4scist/roman salute inspired by that painting
That is a common view I've seen
This is the sort of comment I find valuable. Thanks for the additional information.
Makes sense.
That is the common view, with other paintings of the time using it afterwards.
@TetsuShima By my understanding, he copied it from the film Cabiria, of which Gabriele D'Annunzio was a secondary writer (surprised HE took a secondary role for once), where it was indeed present.
Now, where Giovanni Pastrone (main writer, director, and producer) and D'Annunzio got the idea... It was likely that painting.
But if there's something from Fascist Italy whose origin you aren't sure of, blame D'Annunzio, he was usually involved in some way (and if he wasn't Mussolini had paid him some ridiculous bribe. Like the WARSHIP IN THE GARDEN to not ruin diplomatic talks with Germany).
The Roman salute may not have been a thing historically, but the fascist salute of the 1930's and 40's is in fact a historical fact. Germany documented the hell out of its use, and what its users stood for.
"You are either with us or against us" - US President George W. Bush at the start of US military intervention in the Middle East to help Israel 25 years ago.
That's why we Germans cringed when we watched Musk !!
So it was the fascist party of Germany not the socialist party of Germany?
@@huntermccoy7641 Yes.
They used "socialist" the same way North Korea uses "Democratic" in its official name.
That is to say, its a perversion of the word, used entirely for propaganda and to lure the workers that werent overly enthusiastic over the racist ideals to vote for them.
Most "socialist" programs the Yatzees (YT C*nsor*hip) implemented were upon further investigation pretty much a common thing to be wanted by most parties at the time, and obviously only available for a limited amount of people depending on origin and wealth.
@huntermccoy7641 the nazi was fascist.
so the whole fascist salute, was invented by the actual fascists?
Clearly you didn’t watch the video if ur asking a question 😂 it wasn’t created by the fascist it came from a time of kings and queens and the fascist used it
Yeah weird right? People acting like fascism wasn't invented by the Italians and that the third Reich wasn't the third coming of the Roman Empire.
@@MotoAura1k clearly I don't need to listen to this guy Tell me anything because I already know history and I know what I saw with my eyes.
Elon Musk threw 2 Nazi salutes and those simping for him also makes them also Nazis.
@@MotoAura1kit's right in the beginning he said it was used as propaganda, what he didn't say was the word fascist, but the propaganda he was referring to was made by the national socialist party of Germany.
@@MotoAura1k3:34 then again explicitly here and referred to said propaganda.
Metatron seemed really excited to talk about hand gestures. His Italian is showing.
LOL
Discussion of bundles of sticks and axes next.
ROTFL
But he's wrong, and even concedes at 17:00 that indeed the right arm was raised as a show of the “emperors will” also he said no one writes about it, but Cicero does:
"Although that youth [the young Caesar Octavian] is powerful and has told Antony off nicely: yet, after all, we must wait to see the end. But what a speech! He swore his oath with the words: 'so may I achieve the honours of my father!', and at the same time he stretched out his right hand in the direction of his statue."
This video is full of hidden messages, I am sure of it. 😂
Maybe next time Elon will wear an armband with an ancient Hindu symbol for peace while doing the Roman salute.
Im sad. Because this is funny, because I could imagine it happening, and I shouldn't be able to imagine it happening.
@@cjmurphy7967 The worst part for me is not that it could happen, but that a large amount of people would defend it, incluing large newsanchors and podcasthosts
The worst part is he thinks he is so funny and smart and he thought he would get away with it. He probably thought to himself “epic trolling! le epic kek! Sneed”
@ri3121 You don't get it, it's woke now to call out fascists and oligarchs.
What a super epic troll! 🤣🤣
George Orwell - ‘The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.’
Who runs the political parties in the USA right now? What's happening inside the Democratic Party now? How about the Republican Party? Is it all being done in secret? Why no reporting?
The disinformation governance board would have been a nice touch, don't you think?
@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683Give it time. We're only a week in.
i swear if i see this quote one more time ima shoot myself.
but tbh honest this is more of a "assume stupidity before you assume malice" typa thing.
and no one is saying that didnt look like a nazi salute.
For the last 4 years I've seen conservatives posting this quote everywhere in response to something or other. Now I'm seeing liberals posting it everywhere in response to this. And I wonder the same thing now as I did then: how many people posting this quote have actually read 1984?
We are becoming so distant from WWII, that the bad guys are becoming more characterized by the movie counterparts than the real people involved.
What?
I often see people from US speaking about nazis.
Fun fact, we quite never do it in Europe, and Europe has been much more impacted by nazis then USA ...
It's quite a bit of mythology now.
@@nalinux yeah that is quite interesting 🤔. Though it's become more of an obsession for those who label themselves as "antifascist." Rather than those who unironically labeled themselves as "fascist." It's sort of become a boogeyman to these people
Because the fascists know it does not really do well with the public. They did it in Britain and immediately got their aahs whooped and proceeded to cry in media.
"Why can't we pogrom the muslims in 2025, bro?"
@@albertbecerra
@ When people think about Nazis, they think about movie characters. The same way people think about Ancient Rome or Egypt, or even pirates. They are defined more by pop culture than the reality of their behaviour.
It’s wild that the most accurate movie with Romans in it that I’ve ever seen is Life of Brian
Yes, and the best part of it for me is when that Roman guard has him correct the Latin grammar in his forbidden graffiti instead of arresting him in this typical old-school Latin teacher style 😂 absolutely hilarious to my linguistic heart
@@hiromilongthe Monty python crew had a boarding school survivor among their number.
I am sure that scene comes from personal experience with Latin teachers in British schools.
The most accurate depiction of Romans and the foundation of religions.
Also the most accurate depiction of Middle Eastern politics (from the Bronze Age to today), with the revolutionaries supposedly forming to fight the Romans, but actually spending most of their time fighting with each other.
"Life of Brian" is a far better movie than "The Passion of the Christ".
I watched Mel Gibson's movie all the way through and never laughed once.
"Austrian painter in Germany." Dodging the censorship algorithm like he's Neo
People use that so frequently, I'm surprised YT hasn't censored that phrase as well.
he who shall not be named
Lord Dolfymort
I use to call him the little austrian mustache, not to avoid censorship, just not to write or say his name
The leader of the runners-up in WW"
Just visited the Vatican this last September saw this very statue. The guide actually did say it was originally holding a spear.
It's a comment of confirmation, not of contradiction. No reason to believe that OP didn't.
@@AnnafromHungarylvNWNot every statement has to be an argument or contradiction, you defensive weirdo.
You mean in the left hand... which is what polychrome and other reconstructions show, albeit more staff-like than a spear.
This poor guy was holding Britney ?
Isn't it surprising that nobody tries so hard to explain this even after so many people have lost their jobs and were fired for doing it but today Musk does it and people make an entire video trying to brush it off 🤡 🤡
I am in fact half blind and can confirm statue is not doing the 'roman salute'
Insane that you feel you have to censor the word 'salute'.
It's just the weird quasi-ccp internet in which we find ourselves
Riiight thought the same thing
The algorithm associates seemingly benign words or phrases with whether or not "naughty people" are more likely to say it.
Brah I can barely get the words f 00 L and 1 Dee ot past old al gore.
Yeah, we have to get our society out of this weird place.
i grew up in an area in Australia where there were many Italian migrants and their families, we used to joke that the only way to stop an Italian from speaking, was to hold his hands so they cant be moved , therefore preventing gesticulation
Here's another:
Why was the Italian intelligence services rather good (and it was)? Because whenever an Italian spy was caught and tied down for questioning, he was incapable of talking.
@@UnintentionalSubmarine yep LOL
Also Australian, I worked with an Italian guy and I asked about the "hand" thing. He basically said it's for emphasis and, as Italians were all dramatic, it caused lots of hand movement. He then said he noticed that Aussies talk with their head, nodding in a direction, gesturing a "come here" etc and he said he knows why. I said "I'll bite, why?" He said "Well, when you all first got here you were all wearing hand cuffs and heavy chains so you couldn't use your hands so you used your head"!
People from Romance-language countries can have a hard time in more Germanic cultures, because they miss the hugging and other physical contact, and they're often ridiculed for their hand gestures. It feels cold to them. But on the other side, the Germanic people can feel overwhelmed by all the touching and gesticulating. It's good to hang out together, and learn about other cultures! No need for ridicule. Just watch and learn.
Ha ha so funny...coming from a country that not even have freedom of speech, Australia 🤮
So asterix and obelix wasnt historicaly acurate?
Wait, Asterix isn't a documentary?!
:'(
Wotcher Chief
Fun fact: Asterix and Obelix started being published in 1959; both its authors had lived through WW2. The "small village of indomitable gauls" was a stand-in for the Resistance, and one of the Roman centurions, Nebulus Nimbus, is a transparent caricature of Benito Mussolini.
Of course they were! Accurately depicted in series of movies. All the facts for the films were scrupulously selected following the secret Roman documents, hidden by scientists under the flat earth for the reasons everyone knows. Well, THOSE reasons.
Musk could wear a swastika and Trumpers would say “bro he’s just wearing an ancient Buddhist symbol”
It was a typo. The salute originated with the Romulans, but there was a transcription error in the subspace communique.
The Klingons did it to besmirch their name
Also an error in these people's brains.
😂
Klingon Bass-turds !
This seems the most plausible answer.
so fun fact pre 1940's that's how Americans saluted the flag during the pledge of allegiance it was known as the Bellamy salute
Just further things that the social ism brigade ruined
Are people really gonna pretend like that spa z Elon knows that? What level of cope are we operating on here?
He covers this in the video.
@@ArminiusGroßWhat has socialism got to do with anything? And what do you mean by "ruined", please?
it just feels natural doesn't it
Even if the Roman salute was real you could still make the argument of “riddle me this? What far more well known salute is derived from the Roman salute?”
Exactly
Some people love to grasp ever so far for validation.
He could show up on stage with a swastika and you’d start hearing all about budhist symbols.
And what's your point?
Why are you here? (Since you don't listen.)
Is this really Medieval madness using a sock puppet account? 😅
@@invaderzod8092 You would have to be a mental defective to think green energy electric car space travel future of human kind elon musk is a funny moustache man. The rhetoric is so absurd it hurts to think people are actually that gullible.
please tell me youtube hasn't just prohibited the use of the fucking word "salute"
I can't keep up with the prohibited words. I never know what to write, just have to hope to not get sent to "timeout".
@@infin8ee i can understand some words, but man this has gone far beyond ridiculous
They also used it in Star Trek for the Terran Empire.
It seems to be widespread misconception. I think I recall seeing it during _I, Claudius,_ as well.
Yeh that makes it fine 😂
Totally legit for the Terran Empire.
that is not correct. the Terran salute was fist on chest, then arm parallel to the ground and hand upraised (like you're saying "stop" with your hand). i don't know if Kurtzman later changed it to be a nazi salute because he's an idiot that never watched Star Trek, but it was 100% not a nazi salute in the 60s tv show.
the terrans were originally supposed to still worship the roman gods too, according to the original screenwriting of the ENT mirror episodes
He did have grandparents on his mother's side that were fans of the Austrian painter.
every single European did
@@genautelevishn5999 nope
You people have lost your mind. No wonder European civilization is dying at an astonishing pace.
@@raskolnikov6443 You sound unhinged. Care to unload?
@@genautelevishn5999 "every single European did"
lol wtf? You must be american... Do you understand it was Europeans fighting that Austrian painter?
omg...
🤦♂
As if a type of people who do nothing but distort history would really care.
distort history for profit
You mean the Caucasian race? 😂
@ When you're so short sighted you could see such things. Rather when you pay attention to patterns you see more of the Marx type.
@@emperordavid2044 Racist 🤡spotted
Dude nearly threw out his shoulder he threw that zeig so hard
Excellent debunking my friend. This debate has caused me to lose so many brain cells telling people, there's no "Roman Salute". We can assume there were some kind of salutes/gestures used for military/govn't purposes, but without sources, we will never know for sure.
What I have been seeing on the Internet is also the claim that there's no salutes whatsoever, not even gestures. Which is completely wrong, as human civilizations have used gestures/salutes/hand signals since before the invention of language!
The Internet is a wild place.
In Ancient China they had their salutes in the army. In Ancient Egypt they had their head & hand gesture in the military. There's no reason why Ancient Romans didn't have their own salute. In any highly disciplined military structure you need to openly show you are paying respect and at attention.
Check out the comments of Rogan's video on this, also insane and very odd considering his audience
How about debunking this conspiracy theory that you need to censor words like "salute" or "Hitler"?
@@noamto That is not a cons. - It heavily depends on the posts you made before.
Made a lot of posts other people didn't like? Well, then good luck getting stuff like even the name of countries trough.
Or just look at Metatrons video from roughly 1-2 weeks ago where he is talking about comments he gets. Take a very close look at a lot of them. Pause the video, then you can read every single one of them. Why did most of them not show up? What was problematic about them?
I think the Nod is a great example of historical gestures. The universal symbol for "Yes," a nod can mean "I understand" or "You're correct," and seems to be just about everywhere. I unfortunately know very little about (absolutely nothing) about how far back this gesture goes, but I assume at least to the very late 1800s. I know this isn't really related, but I thought I'd bring it up.
“Hail Caesar, those about to die ( of laughter) salute you”
Amen, brother
I came, I saw, I was dragged in front of a tribunal for waving to the locals....
hail Caesar! oh wait no its only heavy rain
A generation apart - for us this sentence is Asterix & Obelix, 100%. But the greeting is the same.
@@mecongberlin 20 years ago i was an Asterix ,(i still have an Asterix moustache) but now im older and somewhat fatter im more of a very short Obelix, lol
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If there were not the facts, of him helping far right parties all over the world. I would have said: it's just a bored rich kid, trying to get attention by bullying others. But with the other facts in mind, it's clear to me. And I can kick myself for not seeing it earlier. The moment it did hit me, was him coming on stage with a black MAGA hat, saying that he was special. A black MAGA. My head went straight to the Camicie Nere. But it was a stretch. Then, in the place of the biggest Nazi rally in history of the US, there he was again. Making it even clearer, by replacing the letters on his black hat, with fractur letters. Calling it in jest Gothic. It was clear to me from that point, Elon is a fascist. After that his push to help the AfD in Germany with his speeches and use of AI propaganda bots, came to no surprise for me. I even look different now, on the fact that he wants to put an X in the names of all his corporations. Like Trump said, they like weaving words. He is just toying with us. Knowing that he is so rich, he could buy an army to do his bidding. He went in my mind from cool nerd doing good, straight to a complete evil nightmare.
He was never good. He just has great pr. And now he thinks we are primed for him to drop the mask. And i am afraid he's right. He did this and the media falls and the general public fall in line to protect him.
🙋♂️ “hello noble ones”
Whoah hold up there, noozi.
🙋♂️
Lmao I laughed when he did that
🙋♂️kek
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A point on touching the armor while wearing it: police and troops can often be seen placing a hand at the collar of a ballistic vest. Some stuff never changes.
I wear body armour (outer carrier) everyday for work. Everyone's hands are either on their collar or on their chest under the armor (especially when's it's cold).
The other natural position is resting your hand on your sidearm but I train not to do that in public, looks bad.
Police keep their hands elevated as a self defense measure.
@psycomutt good call on the side arm. I've found myself resting my hands on the collar of my plate carrier more than a couple times, and I don't even wear it regularly or in a professional capacity.
Watch American football. They hook their hands onto the top of their "armor" all the time. I worked in construction and wearing the very heavy nail/tool bags around the waist does give one a sense of being powerful. Carrying around the tools to create or destroy a building is actually powerful.
@@792slayer it's weird that you just naturally do that when wearing armor. Eventually I'll own a Lorica Segmentata and find out if the Romans had the same thing, lol.
15:47 just out of curiosity, i actually checked if chatgpt said those things when asked, and it said precisely what Metatron is saying in this video, that it's a 18th-19th century invention with no historical basis.
ChatGPT is the only decent AI. I think that’s why he quickly emphasized “Gemini” in the way he did.
ChatGPT doesn't know anything by itself. It only regurgitates text that it finds on the web and restructures it in a way that sounds appropriate to the question asked. The quality of its responses depends directly on the quality of the texts it uses.
Amateurs... They need to copy chatGPT response, and then ask it to paraphrase it. Or even better paraphrase it using a different ai.
@@g33xzi11aI love how You say "Decent" as if there is a point of reference for a better AI.
@@ThomasJohansson-mo5gfTrue if You use it only as a google machine. You can use it to analize data, and transform this data in anything that You need from it. Graphs, statistics, idk, presentations.
Can't believe we even have to talk about this in 2025 smh
It doesn't even matter. The Charlie Chaplin beard was a very popular cut a hundred years ago but nobody sane will sport it now.
Sooooo, basically mr. Muskolini used a fascist gesture? ..
Mr. Orwell showed us how dangerous it is to call something which it is not.
Orwell was warning us about the communism he saw in USSR that was being glazed by the World Press even as millions were being brutally murdered and tortured. If you think he was trying to warn us about the ideology that was utterly crushed by the communists and their Liberal allies, you are historically ignorant and his warning was wasted.
There is also pointing out painful truths.
Guy made a lot of Nazi jokes afterwards. I dont think he didn't know. I think like most people he fundamentally doesnt understand Roman culture, where he would not get near the respect he does now. I don't believe he is an ideological fascist, upside down Italian train man would not be wasting time on a PoE stream. He was either trying to get people to talk about him OR was hoping people would do it back
Context is important.
Elon Musk did that while supporting a LITERAL Nazi party in Germany, the Alternative for Germany, and just days after interviewing them. He did that while supporting a literal Nazi in the UK, Tommy Robinson. Tommy Robinson party is the British National Party (BNP). The British National Party (BNP) founder, John Tyndall, has pictures of him with a literal SS uniform, with a literal Nazi flag and a picture of a very literal Adolph Hitler. Days after the NAZI GESTURE that Elon Musk did, he appeared in an AFD rally in Germany, two days before the day they remember the Holocaust in Germany, saying that, "Germany needs to get past guilt." After doing the gesture Mor0n Musk was praised by literal, self-identified, Nazi groups and made NO EFFORT to dissociate himself from them. It's like you are falsely accused of supporting p3d0phyly@ and you don't make it VERY CLEAR you are not one of them and in fact hate them.
So, yeas, Elon musk is a Nazi and is a threat to the entire world supporting and funding far right movements, all over the globe, from BRAZIL, my country, to Australia.
The way you said Augustus’ name was beautiful
Considering his familial links to Fascism, as well as his connection to the AfD in Germany, it's hard to attribute Musk's actions to ignorance.
Exactly! It's not just the salute, but all his actions over the last couple of years.
Well he’s also been one of the biggest Jewish supporters and the Jews of Israel and most of America don’t see him as a racist Nazi, yall spouted this bs about Trump and moved to Elon NOBODY CARES
THIS. it's weird the denial of Elon supporting neofasci5ts. it's not just the salute. it's also his support to the far right party in Germany. he is clearly trying to get those reactionary groups on his side. cause they are useful for him, even if he is not a naz1 himself
AfD being accredited to fascism is all I needed to see to know not to take you seriously
@ You’re inability to call a spade a spade tells me all I need know about your ability to discern reality.
Turns out the Germans back in the 40s weren't saluting, they were hoping someone was gonna high five them back.
Mr. H. was just seen trying to catch a taxi.
The facial expression he conveyed during the salut doesn't line up with his explanation, that almost negates him just being awkward. I think he was probably trolling, since that lines up with his typical behavior and actions, that's my hopeful interpretation. The 2nd most likely is that he was signaling to the world, he's untouchable, I have unlimited power that I can do this salute and there's nothing you can do about it. This makes me worried for the world even if he's isn't a not see, when someone is above the law and their actions may suggest we might be heading toward his dictator phase.
I agree and I’m afraid neither of those options are good ones.
We all know that it's just that the Germans were really friendly people saying "Hi Hitler" when he passed by.
😂
My favourite thing about this is how people are claiming the gesture was OK because it's allegedly from the Romans, as if the Romans weren't notoriously violent and oppressive while engaging in mass slavery and enforcing strict social hierarchies based on an ideology of dominance.
That humanity for you, dont pretend we are much better today. Because nations today can be much much worse.
modern us tbh
And strict birthright citizenship!
Thousands of years of human conquest stfu 🤡
They were fine with it when Macron, the president of France did it just recently
He grew up in apartheid south Africa. Option three is impossible. So that leaves him either a. Being a nazi or b. Willing to joke in a manner that empowers nazis. I don't think a reasonable person should see much difference between a. or b. The effect is identical.
The dude literally spoke at neonazi rallies, so yes, it's A. musk is the actual end boss of this new era as the American empire collapses. Trump is merely a pawn.
I feel like elon did it for the online approval from neo nazis and tight wing bros. Dude has no real frz and is lonely
I would give him the benefit of the doubt it if wasn’t compounded with him showing support and actively appearing at rallies for right parties in other countries. If it was truly a mistake (or a misinformed decision) he would not have responded in the way he did online. Beautiful video btw :)
I think it is possible to be on the right politically without being a nazi or a fascist.
@@JeDindk That salute isnt the sign of the Republican Party its the sign of Hitler. You cant make this shit up, Elon is just testing the limits at this point.
@@JeDindkabsolutely, but again like the original comment said; he has directly complimented neo’s and white supremacists, agreed with their twisted understanding of history on his platform, and donated to other nations governmental parties that support fascism and radical racist policies.
He said “my heart goes out to you” as he did it. His gesticulation matched what he said at the time he did this, which tells me it was a heartfelt and excited expression. In other words, ppl are making way too much out of way too little, and it’s become tedious, at best. There’s video of Tim Walz making the exact same excited gesture, and you know what’s missing? All the accusations of him being a Nazi. Literally zero ppl said that about him. This seems to support the idea that the ONLY reason ppl say this about Musk is due to their own preconceived notions and biases, and I, for one, am sick and tired of ppl deciding that other ppl are “Nazis” bc of how THEY CHOOSE to interpret their behavior. You don’t get to attack someone’s character simply bc YOU decided that something they did means this or that. It’s stupid, childish, and irrational, and ppl have had enough.
@@liz9284americans are not smart in general as proven by the internet and their own media from time to time. Supporting real N-see? as with Ukraine and obvious hand gestures, badges, behaviour, acts to the people from 1940? Yes! We give all our support! I support them!"
A billionare doing something not even closely associated with the N-see? "BIG REAL DEAL! We AGAINST N-SEE"
Americans in genetic is hypocrite by nature apparently.
“There ABSOLUTELY is NO EVIDENCE you TOTAL MUPPET” - metatron
😂
The fact that we even have to have a discussion on this is insane
Pretty sure none of us were "confused" by what Musk did. It fits him like a glove.
TRUE!😂😂
You are both full of shite! How is it that you and the main stream.media can degrade a handicapped person without any repercussions. Elon is autistic and has Jerry movements if you hadn't noticed. How about keep your opinions and defamation to yourself.
Oh shut up
@ Keep d riding Elon's musky d!😂😂
No. His gesture doesn’t even resemble a Nazi salute
Listen, the reality is that it was intended to be a Nazi salute. No one does a "roman salute" in the year of 2025. To suggest so is an insult to your intelligence.
If you were to do it at your workplace, you would be fired. If you did it in your personal life, you would be pushed away. But we're supposed to give it a pass because we are supposed to interpret what it could be. I take it for what it is.
Isn’t that the core issue here?
Regardless of the leaning of a gesture, it should be within our rights to express it.
Pushing to criminalize a major component of 1a is exactly what the people behind the gesture did. The only thing achieved through this tantrum, is what those politicos would have done in their time.
I ask anyone defending Musks salute to replicate it in front of your boss. Preferably also in front of clients for bonus points.
21:25 No way it is option 3. Impossible he does not know what he is doing. It does not matter if it is option 1 or option 2. Neo-Nzs were very happy to see Elon doing it. He is a disgraceful, and repugnant individual, who had the nerve to do this in front of the whole world to see.
I've watched a lot of musk's speeches over the years and I can guarantee you he is awkward as fuck giving them. Even interviews he sucks at. I watched the entire speech in question and it's just normal him doing his normal awkward shit. Being live like that I'm surprised he did that well. His hair wasn't even taken care of.
Those news articles should cite their sources for such claims and statements.
Nowadays journalists cite one another, so that they are citing sources but actually they are not.
It’s probably all just AI generated garbage
They can't because there isn't
It doesn’t matter they hardly even have to do anything, the people run with it regardless, look at the amount of people in these comments that believe it 🤯 madness!
Idea Laundering @@iseslc
Just an observation of Elon Musk and an update. Elon Musk spoke at an AfD campaign event on Saturday, the AfD being a far-right German political party. "“Children should not be guilty of the sins of their parents, let alone their great-grandparents...There is too much focus on past guilt, and we need to move beyond that." The event is 2 days before the International Holocaust Remembrance Day. Hmm
I mean that phrase is not wrong in a vacuum, people should not be blamed for the crimes of their ancestors (caveat: so long as they don't also commit them). But given that the one saying it is Elon and who he is talking to... yeah to many coincidences.
What's wrong with those statements? The Remembrance Day date also isn't that relevant, the German federal elections are next month, that's why there was a large campaign rally.
As a German - and I can speak for my entire social environment - we have learned very early about the responsibility of being the descendents of the perpetrators of the holocaust.
Responsibility. Not guilt. Not shame. Nothing keeping us from looking forward by remembering what our forefathers did, the consequences of which are still resonating in our country and many others.
We just get antsy when people do Nazi sht. We know Nazi sht. We don't like Nazi sht.
@@Noyen1922 The issue with those statements are that they are pretty much based on half truths.
Noone in Germany is being told they are guilty. Noone is being blamed either (unless they profited off of the N@zi Regime directly, ie they own Companies that were close to N@zi Leadership, without acknowledging so).
What we do have in Germany is a widespread commitment to making sure those crimes never happen again, through learning and remembering it. At best one could say as children we get taught to be ashamed of what our country did, and wanting to change ***that*** is questionable. Because who, besides N@zis, wants to relevate the Hölöcaust, to the point even Israel and Poland are in major outcry over it?
@@Noyen1922 Maybe the fact that it was said to the party that has implemented nsdap rhetoric on several occasions, trying to downplay what the afd is doing. We cannot ever just "move past" the holocaust, lest we cannot recognize when fascism tries to come back.
Musk’s two salutes were widely perceived as offensive,
and he responded with more offensive snark.
This delighted MAGA and confirmed his intent for the rest of us.
Musk is capable of expressing himself with respect and dignity to his fans.
And Musk is capable of responding with respect and dignity to his critics.
He chose to reply to criticism with arrogance, defiance and snark.
Message clear.
Another incident of threatening nonsense from a privileged MAGA elitist,
and another example of MAGA complicity and/or approval.
Trending extremist abuse …not a good look MAGA.
You’re only fooling yourselves.
Elon could be signaling to the far right AND trolling the left at the same time, one doesn’t exclude the other… 🤷🏽♂
He also supports far right parties in Germany (AfD) & the U.K. (British nationalist party)
(Besides MAGA that is)
@@SioxerNikita few thousand people? 😂
At this point the entire maga party (there’s no Republican Party anymore) IS the far right sweetie, wake up!
And before you start your little nonsense about how that’s arbitrary go look up the definition of the far right & see how many boxes today’s maga checks! Bye bye 👋
@ looks like YT didn’t like my answer
The entire maga is the far right
Check the definition & see how many boxes it checks
@sioxernikita the entire maga cult IS the far right
That’s millions not a few thousand people
@SioxerNikita maga 🤡
Its always "far" right never just right with you people which is why you see boogeymen everywhere when they are just normal people. Its ones like you that are crazy because you conditioned yourself to be that way.
Your one and two are functionally indistinguishable. We can never know anybody’s intentions. What we do know is the gesture that he made. The context clues we have available are a history of mocking the victims of the former users of that salute, we have a history of him sharing statements by people who deny the crimes of those former users of this salute, what we have is a history of him sharing statements by people who speak in broad negative terms about the largest group targeted by those formers users of the salute, we have context of him supporting far right movements throughout Europe including the political descendants of that historical political ideology that formally used this salute, and we of course have the context of the speech itself which people aren’t talking about. The context in which this salute was given is the only clearly planned part of the entire speech. It begins by talking about the feeling of “Victory” - and of course we should all take a moment to reflect on the German word for”Victory”. It then proceeds into describing the victory as happening at a “fork in the road of civilization” and that “this election really mattered”. The salute is then given twice and clearly.
Some members of the audience returns and holds the gesture throughout his entire remaining portion of the speech in response. After his pause he gives himself the pre-planned out. And then he reflects a famous paraphrase used by people who wish to re-invoke this historical ideology modernly (UA-cam would not let me say their name - obviously). This reflection of those “seven plus seven” “units of a sentence” conclude his planned remarks. After which he just rambles directionlessly on and on while mostly basking in the applause of the audience. The reflection is “we have assured the future of civilization” which of course we can use his prior uses of the word “civilization” to understand who he thinks to be included in that civilization and who he does not think is a part of that civilization.
Ultimately it’s too many coincidences. I think the third option provided here just makes no sense at all. This man is fully aware of what that salute is and as I said creating a distinction between the first and second is irrelevant to me. For one thing, they can both be true. For another, they both concede that he made the gesture that he clearly made. And finally, I’m just not inclined to believe that his throwing this salute during a discussion of “Victory” and his use of the phrase “Fork in the road of civilization” that is very similar to the mentioned AHPainter’s “crossroads of civilization” followed by his reflection of the new followers of AHPainter favorite saying just leads to the conclusion that there are too many parts of this lining up to honestly conclude it wasn’t what it was.
The dude toured Auschwitz with Ben Shapiro.
@@christianclark347 yep. That makes his actions more sinister, no? He’s still making h cost “jokes” after seeing a room full of the human hair stolen from victims of those crimes. He’s still making h cost jokes after seeing hundreds of acres of wooden shacks where people were systematically penned awaiting the end of their days. He saw the facilities where they were experimented on, the photos take a, the ovens. He still makes the jokes about something that isn’t even a little funny. You must realize there are some vile people quite obviously who see that horrible place as aspirational, no? I thinks he’s thoroughly demonstrated himself to be among those people, and those who defend him at this stage are showing they may themselves be sympathetic or so naive as to not really be different from being sympathetic to that same mindset, yourself included.
@christianclark347 so? Justin beiber went to auschwitz and wrote that anne frank would've been a belieber, going there means absolutely nothing
@@christianclark347And agreed that "The Jews machinate against the whites" and also vehemently supports the very "uhhh we werent so bad in ww2 guys cmon..." party in Germany AfD
@@christianclark347 So that he can heave defenders say what you just did. He has overtly agreed with nazis on Twitter, and unbanned them after they were banned.
There's a lot of plausible deniability going on here. He wants to send these messages and then make it look like he might have not meant what it looks like he meant. IMHO the guy is a closet Nazi, though not so closet anymore....
I believe the fact that he openly endorses The Alternative for Germany (AfD) and consistently signal boosts extreme far-right individuals, their views, and conspiracy theories on his platform provides substantial evidence regarding his personal stance on these matters.
If you think AfD is some far right fascist organisation is proof you are in fact the product of an actual fascist regime. Spoon fed beyond recognition….
Metatron, I'm not arguing with you, however I'm 71years old and never saw that salute to the US Flag in school or anywhere in the US.
What I love about Metatron is how unbiased he is, which leads to EVERYONE hating him. Egyptians weren't "black": Ankh Right/some mainstream hate. Roman's weren't "white": White Nationalist hate. The Pope preached woke universalism: Trad Right love. The "Roman" salute was fascist propaganda: No wait, Trad Right hate.
Yeah same :)
I was hoping you’d weigh in on this.
Never thought America would let this happen.
trumps party is basically the confederacy sprinkled with a little fascist and oligarchy.
Maybe it was the South Afrikaans 80`s salute
Was it though?
It's not a thing (afaik), but it would be equally condemning if it were.
And the biggets reason he did it is because he knows not only he's the world's almost to be first trillionaire but also nobody, other than the government, would dare to sue him because he has enough lawyers and money to throw away against any lawsuit. That's why rich people get away with any crime cause they know they either say it was a joke or use their money to get away with it.
It's impossible that we didn't nazhi this comin.
I shouldn't laugh 😂
He spoke at afd. He knows what he did...
What ideal does the AfD hold? What kind of party are they? Do you know much about them? Im asking because you most likely know nothing about that party.
@@Stefanius058
For one, many of them are actually nahzis. They are so right-wing that even other far right parties in Europe avoid them.
I’ll answer for him. AFD is a German Nationalist party, that has expressed Apologetics for Hit*er, practiced revisionist history, and have slandered different ethnic groups, particularly ethnic groups from the Middle East and Africa.
Notice I didn’t say left or right because ultimately it doesn’t matter(to me). if your beliefs are not humanistic and from compassion, and truth. You’re a party that doesn’t deserve respect or this time I’m offering.
@@Stefanius058 He supports a guy who doesn't give a damn about democratic institutions, the separation of powers, the constitution and congress, who has no problem with an armed assault on an official building, who has the support of people who own more than half of America, etc... Order reigns in Warsaw...
@@Stefanius058 i know all about them. Youre not going to defend the diet N@zi party. And if you feel that assessment is incorrect, you are being purposefully disingenuous.
Regarding the reasons why he did it, I do not think it is unreasonable to think he was doing a gesture to the fascist. He could believe it is a Roman salute but it very difficult to give him the benefit of doubt because the arrogance, gaslighting and dismissive attitude coming out his camp.
By the way, I do not like calling it a Nazi salute because people's knowledge of fascism in general is rather limited, and in my experience fascism outside of Germany is hardly discussed and treated like a footnote to extend that people believe Hitler came up with it.
What fascist? I don’t think anyone sane thinks Musk actually thought he was doing a Roman or Nazi salute.
@@raskolnikov6443 People on the left and on the right all agree that it was the nazi salute. Only people in the center are saying it wasn't. It was clearly a nazi salute, and many people in MAGA are excited about it.
@@raskolnikov6443He knew what he was doing
@@raskolnikov6443 Musk has on multiple occasions endorsed far right parties, inlcudling the AfD. He knew what he was doing.
@@EmperorJavik”far right” I.e just another right winged party. You haven’t seen some of the Eastern European political factions and groups
An excellent, well-researched video. Thank you.
If it's just trolling, I have to say that it's extremely childish of him. It's in character to him. That option also sounds pretty crappy, since it means that a major influence on a big world leader wants to "troll" people over being respectful at an inauguration.
Yup or there is a reason he when to an afd rally after
According to Elon Musk's father "My ex-wife's parents came to South Africa from Canada because they sympathized with the Afrikaner government. In fact, they were very fanatical about apartheid," he said. Moreover, when the grandfather was young, he joined the 'Technocracy Incorporated' movement, which supported technocrats ruling countries. Musk's father pointed out that Musk's grandfather supported Nazi Germany: "They used to support Hitler. Obviously I don't think they knew what the Nazis were doing". According to him, the billionaire has tried to hide part of his family life so that these kinds of details are not known, with a lot of fantasy in his stories.
the department that was invented for him was named as a troll so ...
@@asherroodcreel640
The AfD is being portrayed way worse than they are.
the most dangerous has to be the number 1 finger sign while saying allahuakbar, nothing comes close
lol, yeah nah, even if he was trolling, he wants fascist praise, being a moron isn’t an excuse for stirring up hate.
I always thought it was the reverse of the "other salute" where you start with your arm out as the "Hail" the slam your fist to your chest as the "Ceasar" ending with your fist against your chest.
The "other" salute ends with your arm extended out.
as Italian and a descendants of the Samnites, your 100% correct , The salute is military salute using the right arm you point it forward ay angle you bring your right arm forming a fist and Hitting your left breast in fist hitting your heart ! (it means from the Gods above to my heart and Honor )
Let be known other nations in world during this time as well did this type of salute in China and Korea all way up to 2nd Korea war of 3 kingdoms ( not to be confused with China war of 3 kingdoms ) .
@@philmccracken7520Bro got the ancient family tome tracing his lineage to the Samnite tribes
Even if it is a Roman salute..... Elon meant the 1940s German way
As I heard someone say, "it looks they way it looks, because it is, what it is. Trust your eyes"
The way he looked around before, the context of what he said just before it, the repeated motion of it, the severity, and ease of recognition of that salute. Combined with his responses after. Leans heavily towards an intentional act, with the after thought of deniability comment thrown in after. He has done the "give my heart to you" before and it was a completely different motion. Even with that thought process, the only thing I can do about it is to remind friends and family that one does not just throw out that motion on a whim.
Authoritarians always require us to reject the evidence of our eyes.
As if you're the arbiter of what one does, or does not do.
@@mathewsydney8929your eyes are the easiest to fool, ask any magician. If you don't have spiritual discernment you are left with your own whim of opinion.
@@spencerhansen8374
Maybe not an arbiter, but an accurate observer for sure.
@@SioxerNikita
You are ridiculous.
The vulnerability of people’s memory to manipulation of irrelevant here. We have the video of him doing it and can watch it over and over to confirm exactly what he did.
And for the last century that gesture has only meant one thing to the entire world, which is a salute to fascism.
Ok, now which is more likely given his speech for the German AFD?
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
you are an uneducated bigot1
its a libertarian conservative party, if you actually did some research instead of believing everything the media tells you
@knossostellel-amarna8502 LOL yes... I know people who live in North Germany... They say the AFD are literal Nazis.
You mean the same AFD that is run by a lesbian?
Wow, thats surely a far right party, conserving the status quo from ten years ago.
@@knossostellel-amarna8502 people like that are just too desperate to call someone out that they dont see their own lack of reasoning.
The thing I find most frustrating is that we will never know exactly what the salute was, despite it being so presumably common. It's frustrating that even with all the extant records we have that we'll always be missing things as regular as this
it was not a salute at all
watch the video of his speach and grow out of being left.
@@SteelStorm33 I am not referring to Musk, I'm referring to the actual Romans in antiquity. There are innumerous behaviors that we'll never know the exact appearance of. Roman soldiers DID salute, just as they had a formal method of march, of formation, etc. Some of them we know, but others we do not because they were never depicted or never discussed in any remaining texts. Metatron is not saying that Romans did not salute, he is saying the motion that has often been labeled as such is not a Roman salute.
@@Esauofisaac Is it because the ever changing emperors and the militaries were shuffling power too frequent that the uniform 'salute' is fictional due to disorder in the military?
Imagine this; the protelriate guard keeps assassinating the emperor and the top general (I use it for modern term) keeps scheming to appease the Lord Emperor by offering marriage alliance. At this point-- many powers keep shuffling and generals playing musical chairs... the soldiers are like... so what is the greeting?
A thought to ponder. What say you of my assumption?
@@ErikPT That's another factor to consider, after all Rome lasted several centuries, you can debate how much of that history was truly Roman but surely military and civilian greetings and customs changed repeatedly. Crazy to think that however much we know, there's so much we'll never even get a glimmer of.
The romans are usually pretty good at scribbling any sort of nonsense on their mind.
The antique world has a lot of little moments when something was so familiar that it only referenced.
Cheers mate, excellent presentation, thanks for clarifying all that
I think if it was any other gesture, any other context, I could see an arguement for 'he didn't know'. But I don't think it's unfair to say that's probably one of the MOST recognisable gestures the world has ever known, and the chance of him doing it by mistake are extremely low. Even for a sheltered billionaire.
Imagine if he gave everybody the finger, twice, with that look on his face, and then claimed that he was just "pointing up" in hopes of good things to come.
That's essentially what this was, and people are acting like he doesn't know what the middle finger means and must have done it by accident. If you replace one well-known gesture with the other, the whole scenario becomes absurd immediately. The ONLY reason people are saying this wasn't what it was is that they don't want to believe someone like Musk could be someone like that. And he is relying on this bias to give him cover. He never once said he made a mistake or apologized. The Occam's Razor take here is that the guy did a nazi salute because the guy is a nazi. Not complicated.
Also, the man is always portrayed as a genius by his fans, except when he's just a poor stumbling fool who is more an adiot than the average Ami.
@@Enyavar1 dude has autism, thats how peopl with autism move and speak! you are an uneducated bigot!
few days later, the man speaks to the German AfD crowd that they shouldn't be ashamed or let their history hold them back.
Even with putting everything else he does to the side, you still put your wager that it was "just a troll" or perhaps a bet? That's Crazy work
I believe Elon Musk is a fascist because he shares fascist propaganda on Twitter. His father says Elon‘s grandparents were Nazis.
We saw what we saw and I’m sick of the gaslighting.
Question why should modern day Germans be forced to punish themselves for what the Nazis did? now that is something truly evil
once you learn of this additional fact, then yeah Elon looks guilty
And the most insane thing is that the AfD co-chairwoman he spoke to, Alice Weidel, was claiming the NSDAP to be COMMUNIST! And that it was only after the fact, that he was "labeled right-wing and conservative." The third reich in reality was openly and vehemently _opposed_ to communism, and wished to destroy it.
@@TheYahn The most insane part is that the AfD co-chairwoman Elon spoke to claimed the NSDAP was communist.
Adrian Dittman was unmasked to be Elon Musk. With this persona he wrote in 4chan that he's definitely fascist. Why is it so unlikely that he just did a fascist salute?
It's A with the bit of C, A it was on purpose, and C he's a bit of an idiot. I'm leaning more towards A considering his Grandparents are on record as being fans of the Austrian Painter.
But thank you for re-confirming what many us already knew that this was one of the few things that the Romans didn't do for us.
First of all, we need to identify the context and Elon's intention: Was Elon saluting? No, he was throwing his heart to the crowd. He literally said, "My heart goes out to you."
It's very easy to see that gesture, conflate it with a "nazi salute" and freak out because we have been conditioned to only see it as a bad thing; it is being used to confirm a bias of hatred for the "right." If we use our rational mind, we discover that he was not saluting but rather grabbing his heart and throwing it to the crowd as a gesture of love.
Arguing that he was doing a "Roman salute" is just as wrong as arguing that he did a "nazi salute."
@@panzer00 Nazis and their ilk have *always* used (im)plausible deniability and dog whistles to spread their filth. Musk himself has spread antisemitic conspiracy nonsense before (for instance calling a tweet 'the truth' which said that 'Jewish communties have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.' I am begging you to actually use your 'rational mind' as you put it, because your comment is pure mental gymnastics.
@@panzer00 My heart goes out to you is used in a moment of grief, not of celebration. just as roman salutes didn't exist, the "my heart goes out to you" is not fit for this context. Then you say "If we ouse our rational mind", and that's exactly how I came to this conclusion. When I woke up and saw the picture I gave the benefit of the doubt, but as I saw the video, it became more and more apparent how it was a Nazi salute.
@MajWinters100 He said, "My heart goes out to you"... did you even watch his entire speech? He was showing gratitude. You are blatantly ignoring context to support your irrational hatred.
Do you understand what a "salute" is? He didn't salute; he made a gesture. If you analyze the "nazi salute" it is a salute made in very specific way; not at all in the way Elon made his gesture of throwing his heart to the crowd when he said, "My heart goes out to you."
You're proving the point I made in the original comment, by the way but you lack the intellectual integrity to comprehend it and challenge your conditioning.
He didn't do any salute; anyone who thinks he did is desperately clinging to misconceptions.
Do you know how many pictures there of Obama, Clinton, Harris and many other politicians doing the same "salute?" This has been blown out of proportion to further division and hatred.
@@panzer00 Yes, we watched the video and heard what he said. What exactly is different between the gesture Elon did and a Nazi salute? You claim it's 'made in a very specific way', and I agree - in the very specific way you can clearly see Elon performing in the video. He puts his fist to his chest and then quickly snaps out his locked arm. None of the politians you named have ever perfomed this gesture - that's precisely why you're talking about pictures and not videos. As for his words, once again, pretending that dogwhistles don't exist is precisely the ignorance of context you accuse us of. Where is the intellectual integrity in pretending that fascists and their ilk don't regularly use (im)plausible deniability and dog whistles? And where is the intellectual honesty in ignoring his history of antisemitic remarks? What exactly would the man have to do before you believe he is what he's clearly demonstrated himself to be? No matter how many times you call your opponents 'irrational', it doesn't make your mental gymnastics any more coherent.
elon musks salute was identical to the video going around on facebook where from the looks of it a nazi, with a black swastika flag, does it, side by side with elon musk. From the heart pump and everything.
Why would he come out of anywhere and do this? 1) His grand parents had associations with nazis. 2) His parents owned an apartheid emerald mine. 3) He supports AFD who said SS is not criminals, so bad that the french national rally, who is also far-right, said they will no longer sit with AFD in the european committee, distancing them directly from AFD. 4) Wanted the release of far-right extremists who did a certain salute, saying "my heart goes out to you".
The third post, he never apologized for making the salute. He could have apologized for making a nazi salute. But he didnt, he tried to instead come with excuses.
Fourth post, he defended the nazi flags posted on twitter as "freedom of speech".
No, it's not. They are similar in the same way "thank you" and "Fuck You!" are similar in American sign language
Looking at the angle of his body as he does the "salute," you must think that anyone pretending to be an airplane is throwing out the ol' HH every time they bank left. And you really need to pay attention to how often such gestures are used by the Left too, and remember who it is that wants to keep the citizenry armed and able to overthrow tyranny.
You don't become the richest man in this version of the world by being blind to what that gesture means.
It clearly means what we think it does, and he's well aware of it.
He can't be touched, like you said, which is why he did it.
I wouldn't mind betting that President Musk thought that he would get social media engagement and traditional media coverage by doing it, thus raising the profile of the whole sordid affair. No publicity is bad publicity in the mind of the "untouchable"...
That whole thing where the SpaceX guy leaned to one side and shot his arm out into the air while saying - twice - my heart goes out to you all. Just like an Austrian Painter. You can see Mr. Painter leaning to one side and shooting his arm out to the side in so many old videos, with the crowds all leaning to one side and raising their arms to the side. The resemblance is uncanny.
Musk speaking in an AfD conference, which most Germans consider a neo-nazi party and have giant protests against, in the same week he did the salute, says everything you need to know.
Most Germans are wrong about that though.
@@SioxerNikita Watch footage from the massive demonstrations vs AfD that took place this week.
@@Lilliathi You know what would be a great way for them to convince everyone they aren't Nazis? Inviting a billionaire who did a Nazi salute in front of the world a few days past to speak in their conference. Wait, I meant the opposite of that.
@@SioxerNikita so you think a *protest* is anti-democratic. Got it.
@@SioxerNikita
1) All of Germany’s mainstream political parties have said they will not work with the AfD. Thus, not a minority.
2) The protesters "choose" nothing. They *protest*. Y'know, that like you do in a democracy.
3) The AfD wants to ban circumcision and kosher food.
4) AfD members spoke about banning Holocaust memorials.
5) AfD wants to ban same-sex marriage, deport naturalized German citizens who come from immigrant families, and return to "old gender roles".
6) AfD members are involved in numerous scandals tying them to Neo-Nazis and speaking with Neo-Nazi retoric.
It walks like a duck.
It quacks like a duck.
What is it?
This isn’t really surprising considering the fact that Elon on Twitter has a weird habit of liking tweets about antisemitic conspiracy theories
My personal opinion is this...i dont think he was trying to do a nazi salute or a "roman salute"..i dont even think he was trying to do anything nefarious....however, i do think, if he is as smart as he says he is, he should have absolutely known NOT to do something like that...ive seen comments of people on social media using his "asbergers/autism" as an excuse, saying he is either socially awkward or doesn't know social cues..if that's the case, why in the world would anyone think it's a good thing that he is in the position trump put him in? The one place where proper social cues/gestures, etc is imperative IS the government!
Context is important.
Elon Musk did that while supporting a LITERAL Nazi party in Germany, the Alternative for Germany, and just days after interviewing them. He did that while supporting a literal Nazi in the UK, Tommy Robinson. Tommy Robinson party is the British National Party (BNP). The British National Party (BNP) founder, John Tyndall, has pictures of him with a literal SS uniform, with a literal Nazi flag and a picture of a very literal Adolph Hitler. Days after the NAZI GESTURE that Elon Musk did, he appeared in an AFD rally in Germany, two days before the day they remember the Holocaust in Germany, saying that, "Germany needs to get past guilt." After doing the gesture Mor0n Musk was praised by literal, self-identified, Nazi groups and made NO EFFORT to dissociate himself from them. It's like you are falsely accused of supporting p3d0phyly@ and you don't make it VERY CLEAR you are not one of them and in fact hate them.
So, yeas, Elon musk is a Nazi and is a threat to the entire world supporting and funding far right movements, all over the globe, from BRAZIL, my country, to Australia.
Musk is supporting a lot of far right party in europe, and he firsthandly promote far right contents on X/Twitter. He knews exatcly what he was doing and it's kinda naive to think otherwise...
The AFD isnt far right unless your a literal communist. Their leadership is a lesbian. If you think 2010s degeneracy is extreme right, your civilization is already over and all thats left is to wait for the illusion of it collapse.
So the Romans never made the salute.What a bummer.
@@Westyrulz well there is a possibility that at some points they did we just don’t have any evidence to say they did.
Until we can prove otherwise I'm going to continue telling people the Neanderthal's popularized this salute.
@@jonfox4022 imma do the same now 😂
@@prestonjennings6277 unicorns might be real we just don’t have any evidence that they are 😂
@@snakejuice4300 they actually did exist during the last ice age. They weren’t magical but we have found skeletons of horned horse like creatures so yeah
3:45 listen to what Metatron says and then remember that he's a Christian, let that sink in for a second.
I feel like he's always so close to going full Atheist, but then he does mental gymnastics and reverts back to being religious.
He's giving himself a way out, yeah because he realized he just went full mask off.
We have him from other events giving his heart out which is a completely different gesture he makes where he puts his hands into a heart shape over his heart and then moves it out towards people.
There are videos of him from earlier that day being high out of his mind, rolling his head and eyes around while standing next to Barron.
I don't think he meant to do the salute, but happened to do it because he was too high to stop himself from doing it.
"You hear the truth from children and drunk people" in this case someone that is too high to understand the context they are in.
On top of that, his own daughter came out saying we should call a spade a spade, do with that information what you want.
The propagandist lives in ambiguity.
You will grant the man any excuse you can, because the alternative is beyond your acceptance.
He doubled down and made nazi jokes afterwards. Wake the fuck up.
Even in your best case scenario, you're admitting that the man is so high during public addresses that he's making what can be argued as nazi salutes. A man with 500 billion dollars, a federal government position, and the ear of the president.
Elon Musk supports the AfD(Alternative for Germany) Party in Germany. I think he intentionally did the fascist salute.
I do a "Roman salute" every day when I reach up to grab toilet paper to wipe myself.
He hobnobs with some of the most extreme far right groups all over the planet. He knows that salute.
I’m not saying he did a moustache man salute, I’m just saying that modern moustache man fanboys believe he did a moustache man salute.
And given he openly supports them whenever he's dabbling in politics, they have full reason to believe so.
@@Enyavar1 you gotta be kidding me, did you miss the whole h1b kerfuffle? elon is center right at best
@@joej78doesn't mean he doesn't want support from Nazis
@@joej78 Oh? Why would him trying to maximize his profits move his political positions to the left? It's not as if the man _likes_ his migrant employees, he just abuses a system that benefits him. If he had the option to use cheap and reliable American brains to do coding, Elon Mars would abandon this H1N1 program right away.
Heck, if senators Cruise and Mansion themselves could make a quick buck on solar and wind farms, they certainly would, coal and oil interests nonwithstanding.
@ Elon Mars supports one specific migrant program not because he likes those migrant workers (or else he wouldn't fire them in rapid succession and force them to move back), but because he can abuse a system that benefits him. He also didn't buy Tesla because he loves green politics, but because he likes futuristic technology. Especially if it makes him money. Wherever oligarchs like him can make a quick buck, they won't hesitate to do so.
That doesn't change their political positions. If Elon Mars were center-right, he'd have supported conservative candidates like Biden and Harris. Nothing about Maga is trying to conserve anything meaningful of 20th century or 21st century American society. In their minds, Nixon and Reagan were liberal losers.
OMG! Did René Goscinny get it wrong in Astérix le Gaulois!?🤣😂😉
Not really because he was characterising the Romans as a fascist, dominating empire, so using that salute is simply poetic licence to indicate their character in the stories.
@@Theduckwebcomics Well the Roman Empire, after Julius Cesar was a bit fascist. If you now can call something fascist that is not nationalistic. The key element of fascism is to crank up nationalism up to 11. Without nationalism you're just a feudalist and not a fascist.
You spend most of the video debunking the Roman Salute, then you defend Musk's use of it. Explain *why* you don't think he's using it in the fascist sense. If your response is "bEcAuSe aUtIsM" then i suggest your next subject of research is that condition, because I know many autistics, am probably undiagnosed myself, and there isn't anyone on earth that doesn't comprehend the meaning of throwing an arm out like that. The hand doing literally *anything* else at extension (palm up, fingers spread, anything else etc) and there might be the possibility of misinterpretation, but importantly he did it like how everyone understands the fascist salute.
Don't make excuses for a billionaire. He's got money to pay for lawyers in defamation cases for that, so don't give him an excuse to shirk away from explaining, apologising or owning it.
I can't stand Musk, but to me this is not a proper salute, so I think he is just an id**t. If you compare original footage from that era with whatever Musk was trying to perform, it just looks completely different. There is no "heartfelt" aspect in the fascist salute at all, and the concept of touching your heart first can't be included in the meaning of a real fascist salute. People are very keen on getting angry these days and it helps that our attention span of 3 seconds doesn't allow us to observe properly.
Short answer: No, it was depicted in a renaissance art peace and believed to be accurate, when there is no evidence that the Romans did this. This is explained by the UA-cam channel “History Buffs” in their video about HBO’s Rome series. Hope this helped!
If the man had no dabblings into extremist politics, I would dismiss his repeated gestures that day.
But:
- Nasi sympatizers in the US openly praised the guy for his Heil-ing, like Mr. Fuentes. So the right crowd eats this up.
- One day later, Elon Mars adressed the far, far right German AfD party and told them to be "proud Germans" (which _is_ a taboo term), among other things.
- In his interview with AfD chief Weidel, the man claimed that the H-man was a communist. Also, Elon Mars exclusively supports or acknowledges AfD, no other parties in Germany. Similar outreaches happened to other parties in Europe and thr UK, never to my knowledge to moderates.
- On his platform, he regularly X-creets right, alt-right and far right content, never to my knowledge moderate stuff. Among that have been regular denials of the Holocaust and antisemitic tropes, even after he had visited Oswiecim on an educational trip.
- His grandparents who migrated from Canada to ZA, were members of the "German party" there. I doubt that Elon Mars was raised fully unaware of this background, especially as he grew up in an Apartheid state.
- Elon Mars has not apologized, like regular people would if caught that way.
The idea that this man is not aware what he's doing with his gesture, borders on the absurd. That it was meant as a tribute to ancient Rome, equally so.
The real intentions behind it could range from trolling to the most sinister (yeah, I know), that's my only doubt.
Possibly he's just socially an idiot. Someone who never really took societal feedback from other people because he never had to.
@@ray495903314 People call him a genius because he's an inheritor corporate raider who completely re-invented social media when he founded an X for a U.
You're telling me that this social media genius who has a dozen business meetings daily is a social idiot?
No. Elon Mars got constant social feedback for many years with no public scandals like this one, and turned fascist now (within two years!) when his feedback loop told him that only a slow minority of Americans are not full-fledged nasi followers.
@ Oh yes, the genius is an idiot.
That is why the man was never successful in business, went bankrupt and never found a woman to have a child with.
I admire your content very much. Thank you.
I appreciate that
bath salts is what that bloke is doing.
Not claiming that my personal experience is universal, but I have never even heard of a "Roman salute" until after Trump's inauguration. It is truly frightening that we have reached a point in history where "was that a Nazi salute?" is even being debated.
Most people have never heard of a "Roman slaute." Even calling it that is something that fascists on the internet made up when other people called them out for doing Nazi salutes. The only people who know about it are Nazis ans the people who argue with them online.
Regardless of what he meant or intended by the two salutes, the Nazi Parry leadership jokes he made after the fact in response the outcry are disgusting.
0:10 Seems you started the stream with an _actual and genuine_ Roman salute as Augustus would have done it.
This being so, I salute you on the Conversion of St. Paul!