This is why I don't watch you. That's just douchey bro. Is that the level you're resorting to? That's just wrong josh is a stand up human. On screen and off. YOU ARE WRONG. I'm sorry but you've gotten miffed, or miffed should I say. I defend josh scott to the end. He is doing what we want and need. No wonder nobody watches your lame channel. You really come off like a dick. That was just uncalled for. Josh was not wrong. It is similar. And after he just gave you props on the pedal? No wonder you're selling them. Damn bro, you're not gonna be around in 5 years and josh def will. Low blow,dick move douche.Dont quit your day job.
It's just plain funny how the internet is such a toxic place that even in the mildest of disagreements or altercations among two of the most calm, polite and overall wholesome people in guitar UA-cam, some rando dude shows up in the comments and goes straight for the name-calling and overprotection.
The thing with the basic Distortion+ design (which I'm pretty sure preceded the DOD 250, historically) is the manner in which it increases gain. By using the "ground leg" to increase gain, instead of the feedback loop (as the Rat and TS-9/SD-1 do) it *CUTS* low end as gain is increased. At minimum gain both the DOD and MXR pedals are flat down to around 7hz. At max gain, however, both of them roll off bass starting around 720hz. Why did they do this? I don't know for certain, but my sense is that it was simply a lucky mistake. Keep in mind that at the time the Dist+ came out, pickup choices tended to be PAF-style humbucker and single coil. There were no "noiseless" SC, dual rails, "stacked" P90s, or any other sort of SC form-factor pickup that rejected hum, and not very many players had noise gates. So if you didn't play a humbucker-equipped guitar, more gain meant more audible hum. By rolling off more and more bass as you cranked the gain, the 60hz hum would not be amplified nearly as much as the mids and highs. So not only does the pedal sound "brighter", but the hum was not objectionable for SC users. Another thing with the basic design is that the Dist+/250 designs are effectively "double clippers". That is, they provide more gain than the chip itself can achieve at +9v, and then feed that no-more-headroom-clipped op-amp output to a pair of diodes (germanium for MXR, and silicon for DOD, which accounts for their max volume difference). So the guitar is clipped once by the chip itself, and a second time by the diodes; double clipping. You can test it yourself by disconnecting one end of the clipping diodes. Turn the gain up even a smidgen and all cleanliness will disappear.
There are other 250 style pedals out there that are much more similar than the 50/50 and the grey channel, in fact in relation to the vast pool of 250 circuits on the market they are very disimilar because the 50/50 doesn't give any options for aftermarket/mod style clipping options.
@@whiskerbiscuit6674 bassically its like saying a ferrari and a toyota are the same because there both cars with 4 wheels and an engine, its technically right but still wrong
@@kevinmorrice Except it's not like comparing those two at all. It's like comparing 2019 Les Paul standard vs a 2020 Les Paul standard. They are both similar.
As others have noted, the Mosky D250 definitely has a volume pot on the inside (no tone pot). I am a "set-it-and-forget-it" pedal user, so I love that there isn't another knob to bump, but I absolutely respect the disappointment in not having readily accessible knobs. Mosky does the same with their original Timmy Clone, the TM (bass, treble and volume trim pots). I own their other Timmy clone, the MM Silver, which has all the knobs on top but I find that pedal doesn't sound nearly as good. I haven't tried the Mosky D250X (with accessible knobs) but I wonder if it rises to the same sound quality as the D250.
The DOD 250 is the exact same circuit as the distortion plus, with a few components added. You can get hobby PCBs that enable you to make either one using the same PCB.
The MXR D+ uses germanium diodes in the output section, while the 250 uses silicon diodes in the output section. Both are great pedals from back in the day. Great demo, BTW!
I usually use my gold reissue DOD 250 differently from how you demo them here. I am going for the More is More sound when I use this pedal. The Maestro maxed out both controls and ran it into a crunchy JMP amp, instead of a nice round bottomed clean tone. They are a different beast when used like that. Not easy to do though. The main thing is that even with the noiseless HS3 pups and a Boss NS-2 they can hiss a lot when maxed out. If the guitar is picking up more noise than usual they can even squeal like a pig. I am old enough to remember the movie, so I call that the Deliverance Effect. It's worth the hassle though, because the maxed out op-amp compresses the signal in such a nice way -- providing the hiss is under control and the output is not pushing the amp into mush territory. I have still not worked out how he gets those really great spacious effects on the Rising Force album. I suspect some kind of delay in post and probably the studio's plate reverb unit or something. I spend a little too much on plugins trying to work out how he did it -- now that I have relented and decided ones and zeros on a hard drive are worth paying for. Dist+? I like them a lot too. For Randy Rhoads tones for example. Why do so many folks have to be one or the other about stuff huh? That's how fanboys behave.
I have 3 tube preamps. I changed out the 12AX7's (100% gain factor) to 12AU7's (16% gain factor). Each preamp has a volume knob and a gain knob and cost $40. I find these to be the best way to increase / control volume and gain. Better than non tube pedals, and less costly as well. I have a 4th that is a hi gain preamp and I kept the 12AX7, just instaled a different version as in "B" or "C" type. The gain is all and more than I need. It also has 3 band eq knobs and a gain/clean channel as well as on/off true by-pass, for around $40. I kept the 4 transister type gain pedals that I had purchased before I got into tube preamps. But really? $235 for the Wampler Plexi-Drive Deluxe, $89 Big-Muff Pie, and $109 Ibaneze Tube screamer and $49 for the Pro-Co Rat which was the only inexpensive pedal. They are all very good, but so are my $40 tube preamps and with them I can change the tubes from 4 levels of gain 12AX7, 12AT7, 12AY7, 12AU7 and even different versions of each. So the sound/tones available with different tubes makes for a more well rounded and versatile gain controller.
I think the Distortion + sounds great through humbuckers and a Marshall-style amp, since it was kinda made for that market. The DOD sounds good through that setup too, but it's much sludgier and has a more pronounced low-end and lower mid-range. If you don't like the low output of the Distortion +, you can replace the puny B10K output potentiometer for a sturdy A100K potentiometer to get much more volume. Also, I think at low gain settings, the Distortion + kinda sounds like a Fender Tweed style breakup, which I personally find that bluesy twang very appealling. That being said, the 500K gain pot makes the gain range of the DOD more linear and useable, because the Distortion + doesn't get crazy until after 3 o' clock. Both pedals are great for different purposes at the end of the day.
That Fez pedal is so shrill and trebley it actually hurts so having that treble pull option is very good. Makes it so much more balanced. Had a Distortion+ back in the day and like you found the volume to be WAY too low. It was unusably quiet.
Great vid and love the title. :-) Just picked up a 80s 250 and its great. Was looking for something a bit harder clipping and this does the trick for a just north of breakup indie grind kinda thing. There are not many channels for people who are into guitars but can't take the macho Yngvie Malmsteen, metal shredding stuff, so thanks for all the stuff you put out.
Hi there! new to your channel and absolutely love you man! I have seen your videos but wasn't subscribed. Now I am and am obsessed and my wife is pissed. Anyways, I had a question kinda related to the EQD Grey Channel. I own a EQD Spires fuzz doubler....very similar functionality as the Grey Channel. This is kinda a wanna pick your brain question rather than me just go to EQD and ask them. I kinda want your take. I love the Spires but the Red Channel's (Silicon Dream Crusher) fuzz pot needs to be dimed just like any Fuzz Face, which when it is sounds so so sweet. This is an issue when you want to change to the green channel (Rosac Nu Fuzz) because I would never dime that....it sounds awful. I always have to bend down and turn the fuzz pot to about 11 or 12. Is it possible to mod this with a pot that controls just the green channel's fuzz? Thanks man!
all these pedals are 'similar' but the 50/50 and Gray Channel are far enough apart from each other in concept that they are more similar to other 250 style pedals than to each other. They are similar because they are pedals, they are similar because they are 250 based, they are not similar with in the scope of being 250 variations.
Great video, I also am a huge fan of the DOD 250. I have the reissue model and I have not yet found a overdrive pedal that I like more. Purchased it to be more of a clean boost, but like a little grit now and then which this pedal provides. Works very well with single style pickups ( strat and tele ) as well with DBL Humbuckers. Enjoyed your demo of the Half Horse as well, that could be my next (all in one) fuzz box pedals, keep up the great work - New Subscriber
I'm a fan of Josh Scott but I'd rather know the truth about what a pedal is. Ryan did a helpful thing by correcting this. I'm sure Josh Scott is fine with this and doesn't need any whiny over-sensitive nutcases to help.
Got love someone who knows how to close the show. Viewer request...turn the camera around for a second sometime to open the show. I'm always curious what the larger surrounding looks like for any UA-cam set.
I have had both the MXR and the DOD, and I prefer the DOD 250 to the MXR. Nowdays, there are so many Choices & Options for Overdrive & Distortion - you can really go nuts just-trying to decide. Im Currently using a Barber Gain Changer S.R., a Fulltone OCD (ver 1.7) and a Thorpy Fallout Cloud and all 3 are phenomenal. Nice comparison of some great classic pedals.
The yellow pedal has always been great for an always on. I personally love it with a good Tele through a Tweed style amp. If you need to clean up, just roll back on the guitar volume. Great for blues-classic rock.
I love dod's 250 circuits. The dod fx50b is a good variation of it that gives that beautiful crispy overdrive sound. I like the fx50b with the boost option when you turn gain to max.
Clickbait-y title aside, I like this dude. I love this circuit. I bought a Grey Channel recently and I like it more than the 250, but now I want a 50/50. Why is it so expensive?!?! No joke I'd love to chat with you about the 250 and it's clones, it's become my favorite pedal.
Was thourghly unimpressed with the Gray Channel; the Plumes , on the other hand, I will never get rid of. EQD makes some sweet crossover Drive/ Fuzzes, - Bellows, Speaker Cranker,Dirt Transmitter, - & one of my favorite Ge Fuzzes is the OLD version of the Dream Crusher; for whatever reason, it's not quite as temperamental and sensitive to power source. It's almost disturbing how over time, your idea of what sounds best can change so dramatically.So much depends on what you're exposed to,- as you learn what is POSSIBLE,- but I've also determined that it's about nature as well as nurture; just like we seem to have varied sensitivities to form, line, and color, there are aspects of sound that are difficult to teach or learn.Language is like that, so it stands to reason that sound would follow suit. You see that most often with people getting caught up in Fuzz circuits, especially the Tone Bender search; I remember first realizing the extent of the tonal palette.It's become a right of passage.
WRONG! The gray channel had the germanium and silicone clipping options on the same channel so you can't switch between them with the foot switch. If you were to say you can choose germanium and MOSFET and switch between them then you would be more accurate
I have no experience with this circuit but your description is certainly intriguing, especially the dynamic EQ'ing bit. I'm checking out the different offerings.. any suggestion for a Jazzmaster with hot pickups into a Maz 18? also-new -Mr. black surfy spring reverb!! I was counting on your EXPERT drip opinion as I'm looking for one, moving away from Carl Martin Headroom...thanx for another great video~
I have a demo of the new mr. black if you havent seen it. I honestly recommend starting out with the cheapest reissue 250 you can find. one with an led. Its not a circuit where you need to track down the secret magic version and starting out with the simple OG version is a great place to start.
Right. It's similar in that it's 250 based. The feature sets are pretty different. Within the world of 250-style overdrives they're not very similar at all. - steve
@@60CycleHumcast I get that, but you're missing the point about his channel. It's nice to know what other pedals are in the same style so that we can find used ones on sites like Reverb for those of us who can't afford a brand new 400$ pedal.
First, for clarity's sake, Ryan and Josh are frenemies at worst, and maybe best friends? The poke at JHS is a joke. Second, also for clarity's sake, the 50/50 is $24.99 cheaper than the EQD Grey Channel. - steve
the 50/50 and grey channel make very different sounds from each other considering the gray channel introduces wildly different clipping options/sounds where the 50/50 sticks to stock 250 sounds. -Ryan
Two things; would have been great to compare a grey vs. yellow 250 and second, maybe play something with Humbuckers through that Distortion+ and the fizzy will go away. I have one (a Whirlwind Gold, technically) on my board for my Les Paul and it loves it. Great video btw
Have you thought about replacing the pot in that mini. It would still be one, but my guess is that it is linear and you need an audio pot in there (or vice versa). Also, I think there is a mini knob on the inside. It is a set it and forget it situation so if you just want to bring it in line with the rest pf the pedals on your board, you can do that.
Hey Ryan I have a mosky mini dyna comp with just one knob on the outside but it does have 2 internal trim pots...i wonder if that drive might have tbe same for volume control
back in 2010 I put a 250 and distortion plus in one box. I'm rewiring it since I didn't do the best job back then. Which should I put first? the 250 or the distortion plus?
@sbjkd He always struck me as a phony. Josh's video series is presented to look like he's a fan of other companies, when he's really just trying to equate his own products with bigger names. I'll never buy anything JHS, it's paying top dollar for circuits that can be had for much less money.
The only way he would have been wrong is if Josh said it was the same or a clone. Similar means they are close but not the same, which is the same thing you said. Have a blessed day
I think the differences in key features between the two prevents them from being similar in the context of the conversation. While both are multi-channel 250-based circuits, we think the ability to stack the 50/50's two channels separates it from the channel switching of the Gray Channel. That doesn't make it better or worse, it just makes it distinctive. In the big picture of drive pedals, they're similar. In the conversation of DOD250 based pedals, they are distinct. - steve
that was really fun, wish you'd done the whole thing w a mesa boogie mark II in clean. oh ya.. (a strat, an mxr+, a big muff and mesa was my rig in the mid 90s after I dumped my rack and floyd.. you know back when you were born.)
MXR I have the exact same petal, and it has a bit more balls. Given the age of it and the volume it probably has a leaking electrolytic capacitor. Far from the end of the world but if you hand it off to a amp guy it's possible a 25 cent part would make for a better sound. It's not going to have the same volume as the newer petal but should do better than it's doing
JHS said "there is no such thing as a grey spec " which is also wrong in so many ways . WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG - your opinions are not law JHS .
Hey Ryan, what would stack well with a 250. I've got a Bigfootfx Drive250 and I've tried to stack it with a Kelley phat mod and a bluesbreaker style pedal. I put it before the bd2 and the bluesbreaker. It sounded okay... Is there another pedal you would recommend pairing with it?
"This is my clean signal" clean signal???? Ryan, how could you. How could you just, just, forget to switch the pedal off. I'm so darn angry. ( My best attempt at a mean nasty comment)
I bought ‘78 MXR Distortion + in original box couple months back for 60e. Don’t really like the sound but still, don’t want to part with it, it’s so nice and classic. Hah, silly pedal guys...
Ok sO I noticed I don’t see that grey/yellow dod phaser, also if you solder up a new potentiometer to replace a worn out one it can be wired to phase really fast, in a 1/4 turn if you want “ but it will be Wrong”. You know like that other thing that you mentioned that was incoRreCT/WrONg. !!!!!
I mean, the thumbnail pretty much gives away that this is clickbait, though I still think there's a pretty good argument that the feature set makes it different enough that saying they're similar is misleading. - steve
Hi there ive read somewhre that distortion in morley power wah is another version of dod 250 or mxr dist+ with tone control...can someone help me verified this information? Thx
For me, The YJM pedal (sig out there). He tried a bunch of pedals , "They all sounded like $#!+". He just wanted the tone of a Plexi Marshall but more without being dimed. He never looked back. Almost surprised to see it here.
We usually announce on the podcast and FB group when a fresh batch is available. We definitely ship to Europe. It costs a little extra to cover the shipping. - steve
Can you please boost a ds1 with a dod 250 and a distortion plus in a video, the bass player from sleep does this, more points if you play both guitar and bass
Holy op amp clipping click - bait Batman! 1. Love the video, and yes I "got" the friendly jab. :) 2. I love Josh Scott's vlog, but some on these comments are really just over kill. I think Josh can take the (practically no) criticism in this video. Goodness gracious.
Mosky make some killer good pedals i like them especially 2 old school with big components which some people prefer and they push Josh boy under blanket to cry and call Wampler to help him so they can cry together and attack mosky with tears .....and small Mosky with micro el parts are wow...
This really is an interesting demo. Too bad no one who's looking for this information will find it because it's mislabeled. Name-dropping, sensationalist, click-bait title. Not even the focus of the video. "They put you on a pedestal just so they can knock you down." is what I've heard said, and it certainly is true here. Boosting your own profile by taking pot shots at one of the bigger dogs is just weak tea.
@@60CycleHumcast Sorry, I guess I kinda bashed you a bit there. In my defense (weakly) I replied to this when I was half asleep. That's really no excuse. But, that was my reaction to it. I only clicked on it because of the allegation that Josh Scott was wrong. I wanted to understand what was being said. I'm not familiar at all with the DOD 250. I can only guess Josh Scott (whom I don't know), has a degree of humility as well as a good sense of humor.
I love this channel. I love your style. That being said I believe that putting someone down to get your own clickbait is kindof lame. Also your statement is incorrect. He said similar. Not the same.
I think part of the "inside baseball" of why this is funny is that Ryan and Josh have a longstanding internet semi-feud. It's one of those frenemies situations - steve
I feel like the two pedals are different enough to not be 'similar' compared to other dod 250s. Also Josh and I have a well established kidding relationship. ;-) -Ryan
This is why I don't watch you. That's just douchey bro. Is that the level you're resorting to? That's just wrong josh is a stand up human. On screen and off. YOU ARE WRONG. I'm sorry but you've gotten miffed, or miffed should I say. I defend josh scott to the end. He is doing what we want and need. No wonder nobody watches your lame channel. You really come off like a dick. That was just uncalled for. Josh was not wrong. It is similar. And after he just gave you props on the pedal? No wonder you're selling them. Damn bro, you're not gonna be around in 5 years and josh def will. Low blow,dick move douche.Dont quit your day job.
Hey man, youtube auto flagged this as spam so I un-flagged it for you.
@@60CycleHumcast much obliged
Brooks Carney glad I could help.
Brooks Carney lol calm down weirdo
It's just plain funny how the internet is such a toxic place that even in the mildest of disagreements or altercations among two of the most calm, polite and overall wholesome people in guitar UA-cam, some rando dude shows up in the comments and goes straight for the name-calling and overprotection.
I'm sure Josh took the "Josh is wrong" bit in all good humor and appreciated the technicality of it.
he did
The thing with the basic Distortion+ design (which I'm pretty sure preceded the DOD 250, historically) is the manner in which it increases gain. By using the "ground leg" to increase gain, instead of the feedback loop (as the Rat and TS-9/SD-1 do) it *CUTS* low end as gain is increased. At minimum gain both the DOD and MXR pedals are flat down to around 7hz. At max gain, however, both of them roll off bass starting around 720hz.
Why did they do this? I don't know for certain, but my sense is that it was simply a lucky mistake. Keep in mind that at the time the Dist+ came out, pickup choices tended to be PAF-style humbucker and single coil. There were no "noiseless" SC, dual rails, "stacked" P90s, or any other sort of SC form-factor pickup that rejected hum, and not very many players had noise gates. So if you didn't play a humbucker-equipped guitar, more gain meant more audible hum. By rolling off more and more bass as you cranked the gain, the 60hz hum would not be amplified nearly as much as the mids and highs. So not only does the pedal sound "brighter", but the hum was not objectionable for SC users.
Another thing with the basic design is that the Dist+/250 designs are effectively "double clippers". That is, they provide more gain than the chip itself can achieve at +9v, and then feed that no-more-headroom-clipped op-amp output to a pair of diodes (germanium for MXR, and silicon for DOD, which accounts for their max volume difference). So the guitar is clipped once by the chip itself, and a second time by the diodes; double clipping. You can test it yourself by disconnecting one end of the clipping diodes. Turn the gain up even a smidgen and all cleanliness will disappear.
Mark Hammer neat!
Josh got it wrong? 'SOMETHING SIMILAR' means similar. Not the same. I can live with Josh's comment. Nice demo tho
There are other 250 style pedals out there that are much more similar than the 50/50 and the grey channel, in fact in relation to the vast pool of 250 circuits on the market they are very disimilar because the 50/50 doesn't give any options for aftermarket/mod style clipping options.
@@60CycleHumcast It's semantics. Kind of click bait-y.
Whisker Biscuit 🤷♂️
@@whiskerbiscuit6674 bassically its like saying a ferrari and a toyota are the same because there both cars with 4 wheels and an engine, its technically right but still wrong
@@kevinmorrice Except it's not like comparing those two at all. It's like comparing 2019 Les Paul standard vs a 2020 Les Paul standard. They are both similar.
As others have noted, the Mosky D250 definitely has a volume pot on the inside (no tone pot). I am a "set-it-and-forget-it" pedal user, so I love that there isn't another knob to bump, but I absolutely respect the disappointment in not having readily accessible knobs. Mosky does the same with their original Timmy Clone, the TM (bass, treble and volume trim pots). I own their other Timmy clone, the MM Silver, which has all the knobs on top but I find that pedal doesn't sound nearly as good. I haven't tried the Mosky D250X (with accessible knobs) but I wonder if it rises to the same sound quality as the D250.
The DOD 250 is the exact same circuit as the distortion plus, with a few components added. You can get hobby PCBs that enable you to make either one using the same PCB.
Thumbs up to Josh Scott for having the decency to actually give over time on his video to pedals that he doesn't make.
No one would watch Josh's channel if his videos were about JHS pedals.
It's just a way for him to keep his brand visible on youtube. All his videos do is drive up the prices of used pedals.
@@jakedibiase7404 that’s called capitalism
So it's similar, not exactly the same... ass.
The MXR D+ uses germanium diodes in the output section, while the 250 uses silicon diodes in the output section. Both are great pedals from back in the day. Great demo, BTW!
Sorry Chris Elliot JOSH SCOTT IS NEVER WRONG
James Pitoola wins this thread.
I usually use my gold reissue DOD 250 differently from how you demo them here. I am going for the More is More sound when I use this pedal. The Maestro maxed out both controls and ran it into a crunchy JMP amp, instead of a nice round bottomed clean tone. They are a different beast when used like that. Not easy to do though. The main thing is that even with the noiseless HS3 pups and a Boss NS-2 they can hiss a lot when maxed out. If the guitar is picking up more noise than usual they can even squeal like a pig. I am old enough to remember the movie, so I call that the Deliverance Effect.
It's worth the hassle though, because the maxed out op-amp compresses the signal in such a nice way -- providing the hiss is under control and the output is not pushing the amp into mush territory.
I have still not worked out how he gets those really great spacious effects on the Rising Force album. I suspect some kind of delay in post and probably the studio's plate reverb unit or something. I spend a little too much on plugins trying to work out how he did it -- now that I have relented and decided ones and zeros on a hard drive are worth paying for.
Dist+? I like them a lot too. For Randy Rhoads tones for example. Why do so many folks have to be one or the other about stuff huh? That's how fanboys behave.
I have 3 tube preamps. I changed out the 12AX7's (100% gain factor) to 12AU7's (16% gain factor). Each preamp has a volume knob and a gain knob and cost $40. I find these to be the best way to increase / control volume and gain. Better than non tube pedals, and less costly as well. I have a 4th that is a hi gain preamp and I kept the 12AX7, just instaled a different version as in "B" or "C" type. The gain is all and more than I need. It also has 3 band eq knobs and a gain/clean channel as well as on/off true by-pass, for around $40.
I kept the 4 transister type gain pedals that I had purchased before I got into tube preamps. But really? $235 for the Wampler Plexi-Drive Deluxe, $89 Big-Muff Pie, and $109 Ibaneze Tube screamer and $49 for the Pro-Co Rat which was the only inexpensive pedal. They are all very good, but so are my $40 tube preamps and with them I can change the tubes from 4 levels of gain 12AX7, 12AT7, 12AY7, 12AU7 and even different versions of each. So the sound/tones available with different tubes makes for a more well rounded and versatile gain controller.
The DOD YJM 308 is a really good version of the 250, had mine for years now and still love it.
Ah, I see at 2:22 that you are working with the Official J. Mascis Definition of "clean signal" ;)
latontolog just a nice subtle base layer of stacked distortion
@@60CycleHumcast perfect 😆😆😆😆
I watched the whole video. Where was the cat? I feel mislead.
Heph333 the cat is the real clickbait
I think the Distortion + sounds great through humbuckers and a Marshall-style amp, since it was kinda made for that market. The DOD sounds good through that setup too, but it's much sludgier and has a more pronounced low-end and lower mid-range. If you don't like the low output of the Distortion +, you can replace the puny B10K output potentiometer for a sturdy A100K potentiometer to get much more volume. Also, I think at low gain settings, the Distortion + kinda sounds like a Fender Tweed style breakup, which I personally find that bluesy twang very appealling. That being said, the 500K gain pot makes the gain range of the DOD more linear and useable, because the Distortion + doesn't get crazy until after 3 o' clock.
Both pedals are great for different purposes at the end of the day.
I love my vintage 250. It has been modified to use a standard Boss type power jack and has an LED added but original in its circuit.
That Fez pedal is so shrill and trebley it actually hurts so having that treble pull option is very good. Makes it so much more balanced.
Had a Distortion+ back in the day and like you found the volume to be WAY too low. It was unusably quiet.
Great vid and love the title. :-) Just picked up a 80s 250 and its great. Was looking for something a bit harder clipping and this does the trick for a just north of breakup indie grind kinda thing. There are not many channels for people who are into guitars but can't take the macho Yngvie Malmsteen, metal shredding stuff, so thanks for all the stuff you put out.
Hi there! new to your channel and absolutely love you man! I have seen your videos but wasn't subscribed. Now I am and am obsessed and my wife is pissed. Anyways, I had a question kinda related to the EQD Grey Channel. I own a EQD Spires fuzz doubler....very similar functionality as the Grey Channel. This is kinda a wanna pick your brain question rather than me just go to EQD and ask them. I kinda want your take. I love the Spires but the Red Channel's (Silicon Dream Crusher) fuzz pot needs to be dimed just like any Fuzz Face, which when it is sounds so so sweet. This is an issue when you want to change to the green channel (Rosac Nu Fuzz) because I would never dime that....it sounds awful. I always have to bend down and turn the fuzz pot to about 11 or 12. Is it possible to mod this with a pot that controls just the green channel's fuzz? Thanks man!
Hmmmm now I know why I never show up here with regularity...
Tom Cram / Spiral Effects has a yellow spiral that’s a 250 variant I hope you would check out since you’re the 250 aficionado.
Might want to look up the definition of "Similar". Low rent click bait
all these pedals are 'similar' but the 50/50 and Gray Channel are far enough apart from each other in concept that they are more similar to other 250 style pedals than to each other. They are similar because they are pedals, they are similar because they are 250 based, they are not similar with in the scope of being 250 variations.
60 Cycle Hum Whatever man, very distasteful stretch.
Kevin Alzate josh seemed to like it 🤷♂️. You’re the expert tho.
@@60CycleHumcast "yOu'Re ThE eXpErT tHo" lol I love brands getting into Internet slap fights with their consumers. Fuck yourselves, dickheads.
Great video, I also am a huge fan of the DOD 250. I have the reissue model and I have not yet found a overdrive pedal that I like more. Purchased it to be more of a clean boost, but like a little grit now and then which this pedal provides. Works very well with single style pickups ( strat and tele ) as well with DBL Humbuckers. Enjoyed your demo of the Half Horse as well, that could be my next (all in one) fuzz box pedals, keep up the great work - New Subscriber
Thank you for sharing that information
I'm a fan of Josh Scott but I'd rather know the truth about what a pedal is. Ryan did a helpful thing by correcting this. I'm sure Josh Scott is fine with this and doesn't need any whiny over-sensitive nutcases to help.
josh thought it was great. we chat with each other from time to time.
The biggest downfall of the Dist + is the lack of output. If you want output in a 250 type circuit try the YJM Fender OD
The voodoo lab overdrive (1996-1999) imo, is the absolute BEST DOD overdrive/preamp 250 clone ever !
I just picked up an early 80s 250 and it is fighting with my DOD FX-50B Overdrive Plus to be my favorite dirt pedal.
Got love someone who knows how to close the show.
Viewer request...turn the camera around for a second sometime to open the show. I'm always curious what the larger surrounding looks like for any UA-cam set.
its a garage, lol. Across from me is my workbench and all kinds of piles of crap
I have had both the MXR and the DOD, and I prefer the DOD 250 to the MXR. Nowdays, there are so many Choices & Options for Overdrive & Distortion - you can really go nuts just-trying to decide. Im Currently using a Barber Gain Changer S.R., a Fulltone OCD (ver 1.7) and a Thorpy Fallout Cloud and all 3 are phenomenal. Nice comparison of some great classic pedals.
The yellow pedal has always been great for an always on. I personally love it with a good Tele through a Tweed style amp. If you need to clean up, just roll back on the guitar volume. Great for blues-classic rock.
I love dod's 250 circuits. The dod fx50b is a good variation of it that gives that beautiful crispy overdrive sound. I like the fx50b with the boost option when you turn gain to max.
Clickbait-y title aside, I like this dude. I love this circuit. I bought a Grey Channel recently and I like it more than the 250, but now I want a 50/50. Why is it so expensive?!?!
No joke I'd love to chat with you about the 250 and it's clones, it's become my favorite pedal.
GoAmerica the 50/50 is only $175 when it’s in stock. It’s just almost never in stock.
@@60CycleHumcast thanks for responding. Like, do they produce it on and off? I'd buy one in a heartbeat
This all said, I still love my 250. It's a reissue but it sounds awesome
Was thourghly unimpressed with the Gray Channel; the Plumes , on the other hand, I will never get rid of.
EQD makes some sweet crossover Drive/ Fuzzes, - Bellows, Speaker Cranker,Dirt Transmitter, - & one of my favorite Ge Fuzzes is the OLD version of the Dream Crusher; for whatever reason, it's not quite as temperamental and sensitive to power source.
It's almost disturbing how over time, your idea of what sounds best can change so dramatically.So much depends on what you're exposed to,- as you learn what is POSSIBLE,- but I've also determined that it's about nature as well as nurture; just like we seem to have varied sensitivities to form, line, and color, there are aspects of sound that are difficult to teach or learn.Language is like that, so it stands to reason that sound would follow suit.
You see that most often with people getting caught up in Fuzz circuits, especially the Tone Bender search; I remember first realizing the extent of the tonal palette.It's become a right of passage.
WRONG! The gray channel had the germanium and silicone clipping options on the same channel so you can't switch between them with the foot switch. If you were to say you can choose germanium and MOSFET and switch between them then you would be more accurate
Are these available for purchase? Ps looking to get the YLM tone from this pedal. More Gray version or yellow? Thank you!
I have no experience with this circuit but your description is certainly intriguing, especially the dynamic EQ'ing bit. I'm checking out the different offerings.. any suggestion for a Jazzmaster with hot pickups into a Maz 18? also-new -Mr. black surfy spring reverb!! I was counting on your EXPERT drip opinion as I'm looking for one, moving away from Carl Martin Headroom...thanx for another great video~
I have a demo of the new mr. black if you havent seen it. I honestly recommend starting out with the cheapest reissue 250 you can find. one with an led. Its not a circuit where you need to track down the secret magic version and starting out with the simple OG version is a great place to start.
thanx man. I do like double drives though...and have the same mainframe as you: two of the same is practical
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Ya, Josh Scott said SIMILAR... It's the same as when he suggests pedals similar to his own; we know it's not the exact same.
Right. It's similar in that it's 250 based. The feature sets are pretty different. Within the world of 250-style overdrives they're not very similar at all. - steve
@@60CycleHumcast I get that, but you're missing the point about his channel. It's nice to know what other pedals are in the same style so that we can find used ones on sites like Reverb for those of us who can't afford a brand new 400$ pedal.
First, for clarity's sake, Ryan and Josh are frenemies at worst, and maybe best friends? The poke at JHS is a joke. Second, also for clarity's sake, the 50/50 is $24.99 cheaper than the EQD Grey Channel. - steve
the 50/50 and grey channel make very different sounds from each other considering the gray channel introduces wildly different clipping options/sounds where the 50/50 sticks to stock 250 sounds. -Ryan
Two things; would have been great to compare a grey vs. yellow 250 and second, maybe play something with Humbuckers through that Distortion+ and the fizzy will go away. I have one (a Whirlwind Gold, technically) on my board for my Les Paul and it loves it. Great video btw
Agreed. Dist+ likes the Humbuggies.
If the Mosky is not surface mount should be easy to mod to add a volume
Have you thought about replacing the pot in that mini. It would still be one, but my guess is that it is linear and you need an audio pot in there (or vice versa). Also, I think there is a mini knob on the inside. It is a set it and forget it situation so if you just want to bring it in line with the rest pf the pedals on your board, you can do that.
The Voodoo Lab 'Overdrive' is the best OD/Preamp 250 clone I've ever heard.
Hey Ryan
I have a mosky mini dyna comp with just one knob on the outside but it does have 2 internal trim pots...i wonder if that drive might have tbe same for volume control
back in 2010 I put a 250 and distortion plus in one box. I'm rewiring it since I didn't do the best job back then. Which should I put first? the 250 or the distortion plus?
Can you make it switchable?
LOL... 😆.. Josh is not wrong very often.. 😜🎸.. I'm wondering if you've checked out Mythos pedals, they've got a wide range of fuzz & distortion pedals
fun video! dod 250 does indeed do Link Wray and that's enough. made me laugh at the end. Thanks!
Reading the Josh fan-boy comments makes me want to puke.
@sbjkd He always struck me as a phony. Josh's video series is presented to look like he's a fan of other companies, when he's really just trying to equate his own products with bigger names. I'll never buy anything JHS, it's paying top dollar for circuits that can be had for much less money.
The only way he would have been wrong is if Josh said it was the same or a clone. Similar means they are close but not the same, which is the same thing you said. Have a blessed day
I think the differences in key features between the two prevents them from being similar in the context of the conversation. While both are multi-channel 250-based circuits, we think the ability to stack the 50/50's two channels separates it from the channel switching of the Gray Channel. That doesn't make it better or worse, it just makes it distinctive. In the big picture of drive pedals, they're similar. In the conversation of DOD250 based pedals, they are distinct. - steve
Also, this video was just supposed to be a click-baity joke. - steve
that was really fun, wish you'd done the whole thing w a mesa boogie mark II in clean. oh ya.. (a strat, an mxr+, a big muff and mesa was my rig in the mid 90s after I dumped my rack and floyd.. you know back when you were born.)
Are there another good 250 clones on the market? Not very expensive and not hard to get ones?
Keep your eyes open and be patient. You can find them for a decent price. I got a 90's one recently for $60.
get a reissue, they pop up for like $50 sometimes and they have an led
Wait... so the MXR Distortion plus is a DOD 250?
MXR I have the exact same petal, and it has a bit more balls. Given the age of it and the volume it probably has a leaking electrolytic capacitor. Far from the end of the world but if you hand it off to a amp guy it's possible a 25 cent part would make for a better sound. It's not going to have the same volume as the newer petal but should do better than it's doing
JHS said "there is no such thing as a grey spec " which is also wrong in so many ways . WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG - your opinions are not law JHS .
Wow. Chill out people. This was just a cool angle Rye-guy used to make some content, he’s not calling for Josh to be hauled away in a rented van.
Hey Ryan, what would stack well with a 250. I've got a Bigfootfx Drive250 and I've tried to stack it with a Kelley phat mod and a bluesbreaker style pedal. I put it before the bd2 and the bluesbreaker. It sounded okay... Is there another pedal you would recommend pairing with it?
RJ_Connor put it after other pedals and keep the gain under 50% it will thicken you the signal and give a bit more gritty break up.
I too am surprised you dont own a Gray Channel.
"This is my clean signal" clean signal???? Ryan, how could you. How could you just, just, forget to switch the pedal off. I'm so darn angry. ( My best attempt at a mean nasty comment)
I bought ‘78 MXR Distortion + in original box couple months back for 60e. Don’t really like the sound but still, don’t want to part with it, it’s so nice and classic. Hah, silly pedal guys...
Have you ever tried the Yngwie Malmsteen overdrive? Isn’t it supposed to be a type of 250?
I think Yngwie was the Dist+
No I've heard this too
Ok sO I noticed I don’t see that grey/yellow dod phaser, also if you solder up a new potentiometer to replace a worn out one it can be wired to phase really fast, in a 1/4 turn if you want “ but it will be Wrong”. You know like that other thing that you mentioned that was incoRreCT/WrONg. !!!!!
“Here’s my clean tone” plays two pedals that sound the same
"Earthquaker has a similar one" is correct. Nit picking Josh Heath Scott is ridiculous. He forgot more about effect pedals than most people know!!!
I mean, the thumbnail pretty much gives away that this is clickbait, though I still think there's a pretty good argument that the feature set makes it different enough that saying they're similar is misleading. - steve
Bro do u know how I know you're a shitter? you used josh scotts middle name
IMHO MXR best for humbuckers DOD for single coils.
New pedal. JHS Atonement. With an Apology boost circuit.
Where's the kitten I was promised?
stock the 250 sounds a bit raspy to my ear . i like the led mod . cut out the stock clipping leds and cut in red 3mm leds - woo hoo !
all these pedals NAIL the sound
Ya Ryan , he said similar, not the same. Josh is awesome, I'm sure you know that. Love the vids bud. Keep up the good content.
Josh talks crap about germanium transistors, he tells people they're obsolete
Cheap title, might want to look up the difference between "similar" and "identical"
Sorry is this retail competition ?
Hi there ive read somewhre that distortion in morley power wah is another version of dod 250 or mxr dist+ with tone control...can someone help me verified this information? Thx
Why is it not called the 500?
For me, The YJM pedal (sig out there).
He tried a bunch of pedals , "They all sounded like $#!+". He just wanted the tone of a Plexi Marshall but more without being dimed. He never looked back. Almost surprised to see it here.
Great demo !
Is it clickbait if I’m a subscriber already? I think not... I’m sure Josh Scott is humble enough to correct his small mistake. Great video
According to Mosky website, the D250 has internal trim pots. One for volume; one for tone.
they should have put them up top
how can I buy the 50/50 overdrive in Europe?
We usually announce on the podcast and FB group when a fresh batch is available. We definitely ship to Europe. It costs a little extra to cover the shipping. - steve
@9:00 you want an attenuator-cable, like the modular guys use
And just like that, I now like dod 250's. CRISPY!
Also, holy hell, that fuzz sound at the end with the fez and the d sound...
8:20 Noice. I plead the FIF !! Unity gain:(. I love my MXR distortion + 🤣 fat and fuzzy tone or pushing my MT2 well past crazy 🤘🏽
You rock brother!!
Crispy..................... . . . . .crispy.....
Meh, Josh wasn't wrong. Damn clickbait...
Did you ever work for Jim Dunlop?
Huh I just got done repairing a 81’ 250. Cool
Can you please boost a ds1 with a dod 250 and a distortion plus in a video, the bass player from sleep does this, more points if you play both guitar and bass
👍🇺🇲❤MXR ( 1974-75 script logo )......way better !!!!!!!!
That shirt is wrong.
mosky now do a mini (d250x) which switches between 250 and dist+ - it's cheap and great!
Totally got me with the clickbait headline! Haha
Holy op amp clipping click - bait Batman! 1. Love the video, and yes I "got" the friendly jab. :) 2. I love Josh Scott's vlog, but some on these comments are really just over kill. I think Josh can take the (practically no) criticism in this video. Goodness gracious.
Luke Brinkley the criticism is so light it’s barely even there, lol.
@@60CycleHumcast it's like the people didn't watch the video before commenting. :P
Luke Brinkley lots of people comment on the video title without actually watching any of the video
I think that Mosky has two internal trim pots (volume and tone).
Aleksandar Tomazovic I’d be surprised if it has tone but I’ve tweaked the volume before, I’ll open it up to check again.
Mosky make some killer good pedals i like them especially 2 old school with big components which some people prefer and they push Josh boy under blanket to cry and call Wampler to help him so they can cry together and attack mosky with tears .....and small Mosky with micro el parts are wow...
JHS needs a 30 sec response video. Too long?
i think he could do it in 10 seconds
This really is an interesting demo. Too bad no one who's looking for this information will find it because it's mislabeled. Name-dropping, sensationalist, click-bait title. Not even the focus of the video.
"They put you on a pedestal just so they can knock you down." is what I've heard said, and it certainly is true here. Boosting your own profile by taking pot shots at one of the bigger dogs is just weak tea.
Dave Gager Josh and I are friendly with each other, he likes this video. Go ask him ;-)
@@60CycleHumcast Sorry, I guess I kinda bashed you a bit there. In my defense (weakly) I replied to this when I was half asleep. That's really no excuse.
But, that was my reaction to it. I only clicked on it because of the allegation that Josh Scott was wrong. I wanted to understand what was being said. I'm not familiar at all with the DOD 250.
I can only guess Josh Scott (whom I don't know), has a degree of humility as well as a good sense of humor.
Dave Gager no worries. Josh is a fun guy with a good sense of humor ;-)
Very disrespectful man. Josh is a great guy, and they actually are very similar that’s what he was saying.
Jacob Safford compared to other dod 250 style pedals they are not similar. Also josh got a kick out of this video so don’t worry about him.
You had that Fluff clean signal
Lol nothing is more wrong than that shirt
Wow! Looks like a few people didn't get the joke. Ha!
yep, lol
I knew this was going to be some clickbait but dang dude
I love this channel. I love your style. That being said I believe that putting someone down to get your own clickbait is kindof lame. Also your statement is incorrect. He said similar. Not the same.
I think part of the "inside baseball" of why this is funny is that Ryan and Josh have a longstanding internet semi-feud. It's one of those frenemies situations - steve
I feel like the two pedals are different enough to not be 'similar' compared to other dod 250s. Also Josh and I have a well established kidding relationship. ;-) -Ryan