Optical Digital Output AND KEEP warning chimes, voice, nav - How to
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- One of the biggest challenges with installing an aftermarket audio system into a new vehicle is retaining factory warning chimes, voice, nav prompts etc without having them be amplified and excessively loud, or without losing them all together. How was I able to get a high quality digital output out of my factory radio to send to my aftermarket digital signal processor and amps? Here's how!
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This video is exactly what I’ve been looking for. I just recently had an after market amp with DSP installed and specific sounds were amplified like crazy including my TURN SIGNAL.
To my dismay this problem seems to be common but without having any solutions.
This by far explains what I think my issues are.
I tried to use the optical output for my 2012 Optima. I found the wiring diagram for the Infinity amplifier and took the digital signal out of the harness by cutting the wires before they came to it. I soldered on an RCA connector and connected that to my DM-608. It worked, but the function of the factory volume control was gone, as it controlled the output of the stock amplifier. A solution could have been to utilize an ACR-1 to control the output of the DM-608, but eventually I just used the full range signal given to the rear door speakers. For me, the headunit was lower priority, as I use a direct RCA to a Pioneer XDP-100R, which sounds fantastic.
Great video, I've been interested in how this is accomplished for a while!
Got my PAC AmpPro CH41 last year and I'm excited to finally use it to install my sub! Eventually when I get my 3 way front stage I'll use the digital out to a dsp.
Yes, works great for just doing RCA straight to amplifier or even more tuning with DSP.
Wow I just started looking at audio and for the last week. all I’ve been seeing is your videos and then I bump into this video when I’m getting my Grand Cherokee this Saturday it’s meant to be
That's a curveball for those installers that have not been active in the field for a while. Sheesh, car audio much like auto security is getting more and more complex. There needs to be more credit given to knowledgeable installers.
Surely, if we can grab "chime" signals with these things, we can also in theory interrupt them and replace them with...other sounds. C'mon, you know you want spaceship noises when you leave the key in the ignition, and thumping bass for a backup sensor alarm! ;D
the screaming goat!!!!!
I love your videos. So knowledgeable. Thanks for sharing it with us. Keep up the great work.
Thanks for watching!
Love the vids CAF! Would be interested in seeing a infinite baffle 101 video and/or build; with pros/cons of the setup, etc. Thanks for the videos, keep them coming!
Me too.
Like what subs make bass without a box
PAC is a lifesaver! If there is a Problem? Hope they come up with a way to fix it. some of the other workarounds I've seen used are just clunky or so complicated you might as well give up LOLz!
I'm kind of happy my rigs all have independent systems. I know I'll have to buy a new car someday but I'm not really looking forward to the experience
This would be PERFECT for my 2018 Accord with the factory amplified 10 speaker system however PAC doesn't seem to make this system for Honda :(
Did you check navtv.com? They make similar products
Also, I do not want to add a speaker box I need to retain my space in the back for my tops. I found a ring for the amplifier in the back but not the 12 inch subwoofer.
Dude no joke your awesome..
Is this better or worse than the IDatalink Maestro stuff? I have a newer F-150 with the Sony system and had planned on picking up the signal after the stock dsp and sending that to the DM-608 I have. iData shows their AR will work for my truck but AC says they are still a couple months away from having everything ready. So if this is as good or better I'll just get this now.
Well, now I remember that I may have already looked into this product. The price tag reminded me why I forgot about it...
😂 😂
What about for us guys with older cars using single din aftermarket pioneer headunits and such, and wanting to convert our analog rca output to be converted to an optical output ? To go directly into my fancy dsp amplifier which supports optical input ?????
do a video on how to find the thiele small parameters if your subwoofer doesn't come with any please
I'm installing one of these in my Grand Cherokee but I use Mac, any info on how I can connect my PAC to my laptop to tune before install?
Can this be done to a 2024 Trailblazer?
Please somebody explain me what the difference between the line out converter 6ch and DM - 810
The car's music and entertainment system is standard and comes with the car
Camry xse 2019
there should be a class action for them not just putting pre-amps outs on factory stuff. these are great though.
Have you done a 2019 ram Laramie with the 12" display and Harmon kardon system? I hate the bass
Wow that was informative! Thanks!
Glad it helped you learn some new info! Thanks for watching!
About to install the TOS addon to my Amppro to my DM-608 and wondering if I can still utiliize my EpicCenter ?
Hey mark I have a 2016 Cadillac CTs vsport with the Bose system and using kicker key loc with a wire harness from john adams tapped into the factory amp how would I hook up the amp pro 61? Since it would be installed behind the deck do I run rca to the rear amplifier and get rid of the kicker key loc? I’m just not understanding how it gets installed exactly
So Is Running A Optical Cable Better Than RCA? I Have A Fancy Bluetooth 5.1 Reciver. It Has An Optical Output Or A RCA DAC That Can Be Used. Would It Be Best To Run The Optical To My Head Unit Input Or Just Stick The RCAs? I Know The Optical Would Elmimate Any Ground Loop Issues.
I wish I could use toslink with my pioneer headunit
Why on earth does Pac not make this for honda.. so many applications
Ooooo I’m gonna save this video, been waiting for this one
Edit: ahh I see this is for fixed level systems now, any solution I might have missed for systems without factory amps? Kind of been waiting to do a system until I don’t have to deal with loud beeps and chimes 😂
Depending on what vehicle you have you can use these on no Bose units. Pac claims they arent compatible, but they are. At least with the GMs they are. I have a 2018 Silverado with the Mylink but no Bose and I still use the Pac Ap4-gm61. Have had it installed since September with no issues.
Look up Pac Ap4-gm61 in the UA-cam search and watch the video by 5 Star Car Stereo on the Amp Pro installed in a non Bose vehicle...
When you run optical out of the pac unit into a dsp do you retain balance and fade control? PAC says it outputs 2 channels per the specs. Are you able to tune all 4 channels at the dsp?
I own a 2019 Durango with the 7in unconnect which is pretty much basic no subwoofer. However while I'm installing my system which consists of 3 amplifiers and a dm-810 I notice that when a speaker is disconnected from the uconnect system it literally shuts the output from that channel off and the only way to get it back is shutting off the power and reconnecting a speaker. This makes installing amplifiers impossible since it shuts off the output once the speakers are disconnected. However I have ordered a ampro hoping that it's the solution even though their website says that you must have a premium sound system and 2019 isn't listed as compatible. If anyone has the solution for this any comments are appreciated. Thanks
Contact AudioControl, they have a device called the LGD that can be used to trick the factory amp into seeing a load and thus keeping the input on.
@@CarAudioFabrication I got the Lgd but they only work if I disconnect them from the dm-810 turn the stereo on then plug them back in to the dm-810. If I leave them plugged in and turned the stereo on they do not show any output. It's almost like when they're plugged in to the 810 The resistance value must change which causes the stereo to not have an Output. So my next option is to buy some resistors and try them by themselves.
Love your videos @CarAudioFabricatins! I have a 2012 Grand Cherokee with the 9 speaker system and wanted to know what you recommend for the 2.5" D-pillar speaker replacement.
im looking for something like this for my 16 Mazda 6 with bose. i keep wondering if i can use a ford harness (since they used to own mazda at some point) or a GM one since it has a bose adapter harness etc. basically an off-label use. i cant just buy them and try it out tho. they all use can bus right?
Where are you located? I need you to add sounds to My Jeep. I purchased a stinker height 10. Radio now I need speakers and amplifier for 2018 Jeep Sahara was your suggestion.
Does a Dsp increase the volume? Mopar alpine system kinda sucks
How did you defeat the ANC in this vehicle?
How do you determine the audio curve once you’ve got your initial baseline with pink noise? Is it all based off user preference or is there a standard curve that can be used then tune from there?
Bro i have a 2017 chevrolet Trax, i lost my car warning chimes after a new car radio. Canyou help me which should i buy to keep the back?
I bought a Kenwood XR901-5 amp for my 2020 4th gen Ram with base 6 speaker system. What do I buy to connect the amp to the 8.4 radio. Do I buy a T harness with a Maestro or a Audio logic LCI7 or a PAC? Please help, confused on which way to go. I already installed new speakers, 4 KFC-6986PS for the doors, 2 KFC-X3C for the dash and 2 JL Audio 10W1V2 are waiting to put under the seat.
Was wondering if you can help I added a lc7i to 2016 Silverado everything works great only thing is that my chime or when I turn on my signal they sound so loud even tho I have my volume of my stereo all the way down would greatly appreciate your help! Love your channel and videos
Does volume still work on the head units control when using the optical out ? I didn’t think optical could control volume ?
Hi can u help me find which ampPro will fit my 2014 acura tl...keep up the great contents👍👍
Mark, excellent vid, I'll have to add this to my current build list of puzzle pieces for my truck. 9 speaker alpine in a ram 1500, anyhow does the amp pro address the bass roll off factor in these factory systems or will I still need the audio control accu bass correction features in addition? Also I'm not clear on how the amp pro addresses the issues with the a and c mics when adding aftermarket subwoofers etc that will obviously be louder and play quite lower than the factory oe sub
Bro do you amswer questions?? I have a few 😵💫😣😩
Can I get some help. I have 4 4 ohm 100 rms per speaker 6.5 co axial kicker speaker that peak at 300 watts. With a 4 ohm 10” kicker subwoofer with a passive radiator preloaded enclosure that has a rms of 400 watts and peaks at 800 watts. Can anyone suggest the best amp so they both perform well together I’m more into sound quality than bass. I am also using a aftermarket pioneer radio. Thanks a ton for your time
I have a 18 GMC Acadia Denali, 1 of the only vehicles that doesn’t have a way to upgrade my system
This is what u need, except you need the Pac Ap4-gm61 Amp Pro model. I just did this upgrade to my 18 Silverado and my 18 Terrain Denali... worth the $350 price tag... but if ur just trying to simply add a subwoofer/amp Google LLJ Customs. They make a Bose bypass harness & ANC defeat harness that allows you to add amp/sub w/o any cutting/splicing and without the ANC causing problems. This is about $120-175. But it doesnt give you the options the Amp Pro provides as it's just 2 harnesses, but if just adding subs then it's a cheaper option.
Can't find any PAC Audio to fit my OPEL Astra K
Hello there I really liked your channel and watch most of your videos,, please can you tell me wich speaker fit on an 2010 Acura MDX front doors without breaking any thing of the panel just because the size of the non factory speakers and wich one you recommend for good sound and loud voice,, thank you
I have an AM radio. With 1 speaker.
The knob is broken. So I only get 1 station.
Its spanish. Hola
Can you use the amp pro rca into dsp rca for connection if digital connection isn't available?
Yes.
@CarAudioFabrication ok thanks because I was getting worried I wouldn't be able to
Is it normal to lose the factory "blinker sound" that is transmitted through the left front dash speaker when using this? I installed an Amppro GM61 in a 2015 suburban and the chime still works and all other factory functions but the blinker/hazard light sound does not work anymore.
Have you noticed a added noise into the system through the module? i just tried one of these in my 15 F150 and it has an engine noise issue.
I have a PAC amp pro and using an audio control DQDX and getting a lot of static and a buzzing sound in my mids and highs. Even with the gains turn all the way down, you can still hear it. Will the 608 with toslink fix this?
Isn't there a DSP in that D6 1200? I would have never guessed you would need both?
This device is not a DSP. And a DSPs job isn't solely to flatten a signal. And this device doesn't just give a flat signal it solves a few more issues as noted in the video
Sounds like great products but all these units are expensive.
Yep. But like any hobby, it requires money to do it right. You can still have fun for cheaper, though! This video is more for people who are taking a deeper dive. For example, in high school in the early 2000s I spent all my money on cheap equipment and it was awesome. Once you age and get more money, you can start diving into this stuff. Money is all relative.
That's just your opinion. The ability to get completely flat, high quality optical out, retain all chimes and factory features, have a noise free signal, and keep the factory head unit is a HUGE VALUE.
I think that most of y'all forget that Mark does high quality audio installations, not some "cheap DIY, save money and watch your car burn to the ground when you decide to save money by not having a fuse in your power cable" mumbo jumbo. You can get better (than stock) audio for cheaper too and I'm sure Mark has covered in his videos how to do it professionally. You should always remember that you get what you pay for; The PAC Audio unit was cheaper than I thought given that it retains all the factory features and plugs in to the stock harness making the installation easy and clean.
Not at all a waste. I went from an Audiocontrol lc2i providing signal to a Dayton Audio DSP-408 and swapped to an Amp Pro to provide signal to my DSP and the sound difference is night/day. These units fix the factory signal out to your amps/dsp. If you want to run active and use a DSP it's a must to have a clean/flat signal to provide to your DSP if you really want to correctly tune your system. Plus the ease of install and not having to cut/splice any wires is well worth it. You can pay $100s even $1000 for a new Head Unit or add 1 of these for $350 and basically turn your factory HU into aftermarket quality...
Ignorance is bliss however so if u want to spend $1000s on a system, speakers, subs, amps but cheap out when it comes to providing a proper signal to those amps than by all means go ahead... it's your money being wasted.... Itd be like buying a $100K sports car & running 87 unleaded...
Hey buddy great video I have a 2018 Buick encore with non Bose system but I guess the only difference between Bose and non Bose is the door speakers so my amp and hu r same as Bose...I had shop install lc7i on outputs of factory amp and I'm having all kinds of issues...do you think I would need something like amp pro for my vehicle...basically paid lots of money and shop is clueless on how to help me now
What are the issues?? Without a clear description of what the problem is it is very hard to diagnose..
Wait wait with the PAC installed, all you need is the optical input? No speaker level inputs or RCAs?
The t harness gets the signal from the vehicle. The interface then provides RCA outputs. Or in my case I upgraded to the add on that gives optical out.
I appreciate it! I've been watching for 3 years now and learned so much! I recently graduated and brought a Jeep just like this and have gear on the way. You made my job 10x less complicated thank you!
Been asking for one on my 2011 xcamaro but no....i cant get a digital output :T
Great video, what optical cable did you use?
Car audio fabrication can u show me how I can build a custom hole for 6.5 speakers in the rear doors that have no stock holes nor speaker. I wanted to add extra speakers since the 2 speakers in the rear are in the dash and not in the doors
If there arent any holes it could be a challenge..i would choose the original places where the speakers are now..because you need to know: A if there is room for speakers and B if nothing interfeares with the speaker like window mechanisms...
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This was vary helpful, is there any particular reason you went with this option instead of the DSR1?
The Amp Pro has a proven track record of great reliability. Not that the other necessarily doesn't, but the Amp Pro has always been a solid solution.
@@CarAudioFabrication Thanks, I appreciate your knowledge and work you put out! Been binging your videos. Been working as a heavy duty diesel tech for 16 plus years. And want to get into car audio. Much to learn. And skills to advance. Thank you.
This looks like a great set up..any suggestions for a similar set up (2019 RAM 1500 with 12" Alpine system)
I am wanting to add amp(s)..subs and front end and keep center and rears just for drive ins..so don't need as many inputs on the dsp..
Hey Mark.
I have a question about the gain knob on a car amp and why it is not a volume knob (as most people think).
I'm not sure that I got it right, so maybe you can correct me.
The gain knob is not a volume knob because you find the sweetspot where there is no clipping / distortion, no matter how high you set the volume on the headunit.
Once the gain is set, then you dont touch it anymore.
Is that correct?
yup, it actually doesn't make sense to adjust it using oscilloscope or multimeter, yes it would match the headunit voltage UNTIL you adjust everything like lpf,EQ and so on because that will make the headunit voltage change, so gain is pretty much a voltage adjustment so that the gain of the amp raises equally to the volume of the headunit, to much gain results in amp raise it's full power before headunit reaches it's high and preferable volume so the amp distort
Hey Mark would you happen to know of a similar interface device that you just showed in the latest video that will work for a 2016 Lexus IS 300 with factory Navi?
Sorry, don't know off hand. Check out my channel sponsor Crutchfield as they can help you determine exactly what you need for your car. www.crutchfield.com
I have a 2013 Dodge Dart with the Uconnect system as well. A simple converter from the factory subwoofer to my amp should work? I want to run 2, 10” subs on a 1000w amp.
If you have a factory premium audio you may have three different things to overcome 1) the factory crossover points may not be what you want with your subs and the converter cannot help that 2) the factory amp may be load sensing and shut off the channels to the sub if there is no load present so resistors may be needed and 3) some factory amps lower the bass the louder the volume goes to protect the sub meaning your signal would be lowered as you turn it up.
when using the optical output for the PAC AmpPRO AP4-FD21, would you still use the RCAs for they system or does it take the place of them? I'm installing the JL Audio VX700/5i in my Ford Explorer. I see the Digital-Input for the amp accepts 2-channel digital audio signal from any optical (S/PDIF) digital output, with a sample rate up to 192 kHz. How does that work if I'm using all for channels plus the sub output as well? I'm referring to the tuning portion of the speakers? Thanks for any clarity you can provide me in this and if it's necessary with this app and my setup .
JL Audio VX700/5i
Focal Performance PS 165FX (front speakers)
Focal PC 165F (rear door speakers)
PAC AmpPRO AP4-FD21 Aftermarket Amplifier Interface
JL Audio 8W3v3-4 (Sub)
PAC APA-TOS1 (optional if it provides a better signal )
You would be using the processor to differentiate the signal to the proper speakers when using optical. Volume would have to be controlled from the processor as well since an optical signal doesn’t send volume info. You would most likely lose the ability for fading and balance from the HU.
Why don’t aftermarket manufactures like Kenwood and Pioneer make double din head units with TOSLink outputs? Only one I can find is this ugly Stinger head unit. I would like to run optical from my head unit to my DSP.
@caraudiofabrication mark I am doing a similar install into a 2015 grand cherokee I am using the dm-810 and I want to order the pac module my question for you is when getting a text message with the phone blue toothed to the factory radio it reads "text message from (name)" very loudly and annoyingly before any upgrades will the module be able to turn that voice down also (it is a factory non-amplified system) from what I've been reading online I cant get a straight answer,
thank you
Its not overly loud, I am pretty sure I set the volume to low when flashing the unit.
Hi Mark, How would I set max volume for the head unit when using the optical out of my Amp Pro? I'm going into an Audio Control DSP DM-608 and when I turn volume all the way up I never get a clip light.
You wouldn’t be clipping as it’s just a digital signal. If it was analog first then it’s possible. No volume info is encoded into the signal either. It’s just 1s and 0s.
Hi Mark,
I’m also doing a Grand Cherokee speaker build. I saw in the videos for the GC that you had a Meastro AR and a custom DM-Link to the DSP. Was there a reason you changed to the PacPro system?
Do I need the DSP or can I just use the ap4-ch41 alone.
You can use it and send signal straight to amps, no DSP needed, but obviously better performance if you do
How would you get an optical signal out of an iPad?
Last I looked (years ago) it was a camera connection kit into an hdmi adapter into an hdmi to optical adapter)
Hi...
Sir there is some confusion in my mind about sealed and ported subwoofer enclosure, as I got sony xplod xs-nw 12002 subwoofer for my car but there is recommendation in manual for sealed enclosure, so what would be the best?
Depends on the subwoofers you use and music you listen to. Sealed, usually gives a clean, "bump" bass. Ported, usually gives more of a "boom" bass. Also, depends on how much room you have to play with. Ported boxes are larger than sealed. Moreover, back to the type of subs you use. Smaller woofers will usually give more of a "bump" bass. The larger the subwoofer, the more "boom" bass you will get. There are alot of variables involved with installing a sound system to your vehicle. Hopefully Mark will be able to clarify your dilemma.
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Yes I have enough room space in my tuv300, but what mark recommend its important.
Hey Mark, does this still play the warning chimes and bluetooth calls through the same speakers as factory? I think the calls play through the center channel.
Yes and it gives u the ability to control how loud the chimes are. Some vehicles have settings that give u some vol control over chimes, but very minimal. These units literally let you mute the chimes if you so please. But everything plays thru the same speakers & works the same way it did before installing the unit.
You can get optical out from a head unit to the DSP and Amp. Is it possible to get fibre optic connection to a speaker?
Hi Mark, when using pac amp pro toslink to DSP, are you only getting left/right signal correct? So would be setup as mono and not stereo? If using the rca are you getting stereo?
Left and right is stereo, you only need left right in car, its not like you are watching movies.
CarAudioFabrication....I’m thinking about this the wrong way...if using the pac to dm810 with toslink is it you lose the ability to fade front to rear from head unit. Installing pac amp pro in Jeep Gladiator and wanting to add the dm810 and use the toslink but I thought you lose front/rear fade....affecting listening to say XM?? Love your channel too BTY...
Yes you lose front to rear, but you could have different presets on the DSP that have the level of the rears reduced.
@@CarAudioFabrication Would you need the ACR-3 for your volume control as well? Didn’t think optical sends volume data.
Hey, Mark. So, the AmPro for Chevy Silverado only works 100% with the factory Bose system. You can still use it with the non-Bose system but apparently you run into funkyness whereby you lose stereo for AM/FM/Sirius/XM because you have to "sum" the channels (something that I don't really understand, yet.) They talk about it here, ua-cam.com/video/qhgWUylbQpY/v-deo.html. Do you know any way around that?
if only we can control the volume over the toslink cable
Not sure what you mean. With this all installed factory volume control still works the same
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I was under the impression that the volume control cannot be controlled via a tos-link connection. Which personally I always thought it was silly.
Steve meade really needs to stop giving a heads up of what he is doing in his next video. Lmao
I did this about two months ago. These have been around quite some time and Steve and I are friends. This isn't a competition.
hey mark, can you make a video on the installation on the navtv zen-v for the audi s3 or similar audi cars? its a brand new unit and is very pricey but its the only unit that works on the newer audi cars, MOST-150 systems. its an all digital optical output like your car. there was another company, mobridge, who no longer wants to support audi's newer cars and if you look up zen-v for the audi's there is little to no real information on the installation. you would be the first to really give us audi guys a showing on this unit. www.ceoutlook.com/2018/03/27/new-amp-interface-audi-porsche/
Just get a pre 2010 car and no problem LOL
In ten more years that will be an even less viable option.
Wow, I thought the microphones would be for hands free cell phone use, not to ruin someone from trying to upgrade their OEM stereo. What a bunch of BS from automakers who simply fail to offer a really good audio system in their vehicles. Most of which cannot compare to aftermarket radio stereo or surround sound systems. Or how about simply adding some insulation to stop road noise instead of fancy electronic gimmicks. What a joke, and thanks for the heads up!
I bet conspiracy theorists think that the government listens in on your conversations with those ANC mics..........wait, what if they’re right?! 😧