5.56x45mm, 77gr OTM, MK262 Mod 1-C, Black Hills Ammunition

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  • @BuffRANGE
    @BuffRANGE  Рік тому +15

    Apparently I cut the most important thing off the summary sheet, the Averages. A grab of it is here: flic.kr/p/2oDXrtT

    • @larsandreasrisy4402
      @larsandreasrisy4402 Рік тому +1

      Nice video 👍
      As always 😊
      This test i found most interesting.
      Ps. I will never ever stay away from Mk 262 ammunition 😉
      As mentioned at 1.07 min.
      Keep up the good work 😊

  • @Maniac742
    @Maniac742 Рік тому +22

    The Black Hills Mk 262 is the finest 556 loading ever produced. Nothing else compares to it.

  • @JamesJones-r8r
    @JamesJones-r8r Рік тому +8

    I went back and found your video on the AAC SMK clone, and that also performed with .750” or below groupings, but slightly less velocity.

  • @Enjoyer.762
    @Enjoyer.762 Рік тому +34

    Basically confirming what we know. If one wants a good factory 77gr OTM 5.56 NATO load, either BH or IMI.

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  Рік тому +15

      “Seeing is Believing”

    • @Decimus-Meridius
      @Decimus-Meridius Рік тому

      @@BuffRANGE reports of the new imi 77gr being underpowered??

    • @tommcfarland5368
      @tommcfarland5368 Рік тому

      ​@@Decimus-Meridiusi hope not, have you verified this?

    • @scrufflesmcgoogles8910
      @scrufflesmcgoogles8910 Рік тому

      @@Decimus-MeridiusI have 1000 rounds of imi and it blows primers every other shot. No matter the rifle.

    • @Decimus-Meridius
      @Decimus-Meridius Рік тому

      @@scrufflesmcgoogles8910 what do you mean blows primers?

  • @charlesludwig9173
    @charlesludwig9173 Рік тому +15

    As a Military Rifle Instructor assisting the USAMU deliver SDM Training I’ve witnessed a lot of rack grade M16A4’s shot by students in bipod supported prone position where their Mk262 rounds held an MOA at 600 meters when wind was correctly appraised and eyeballs were consistently placed behind eye box of ACOG. No doubt this is testimony for the rifle, ammunition, and student marksmanship. For best results at any distance/ target the Blackhills Mk262 round is boss. Now, in US Service Rifle Competition this round is ideal for 200 and 300 yard stages for the non-handloarder. At 600 yards the 80 grain Berger is a better performer having an MOA wind constant of 10 vs the 8.5 from the 77 grain bullet. One more thing, add a free float rail to M4 or M16A4 for assured sub MOA even from hard hold.

  • @DerWaidmann_
    @DerWaidmann_ Рік тому +4

    This might be the most excited I've been for a buffman video

  • @ftfxhailstorm2916
    @ftfxhailstorm2916 Рік тому +19

    Pretty impressive. Do you plan on testing AAC's new 77gr load, the one with their in-house bullet? It'd be interesting to see how that compares, since it's about half the price.

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  Рік тому +12

      I requested some about a month ago. They normally will send some.

    • @ftfxhailstorm2916
      @ftfxhailstorm2916 Рік тому +5

      @Buffman - R.A.N.G.E. Hopefully it's loaded hot enough. Based on your tests, their loads can't even hit box velocity, and their box velocities seem lower than other loads of the same grain.

    • @PureCountryof91
      @PureCountryof91 Рік тому +1

      After I break in my JAKL and get it dialed in I will be ordering a 300rnd bundle.

    • @TerminalM193
      @TerminalM193 Рік тому

      I thought he already tested the stuff

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  Рік тому

      @@TerminalM193 that was the one with the Sierra SMK. AAC has their own 77gr OTM bullet now

  • @TheLoneRanger745
    @TheLoneRanger745 Місяць тому

    Great testing with all the barrel lengths and ammo weighs , awesome The Buddy 💪👊😎🇺🇸❤️

  • @ryewaldman2214
    @ryewaldman2214 Рік тому +8

    nice video, thanks for the work you put into this

  • @Minutes-Mils
    @Minutes-Mils Рік тому +22

    Not bad, good to see these loads compared to what AAC is putting out, that's personally what I stick to with my particular budget. 👌

    • @hansgruber9685
      @hansgruber9685 Рік тому +7

      If AAC gives you almost the same performance then why buy black hills for more than twice the price?

    • @JamesJones-r8r
      @JamesJones-r8r Рік тому +4

      Same. I just use the AAC loads. I’m a poor man.

    • @30rdmaga
      @30rdmaga Рік тому

      Same

    • @RikkiTikkiTavi290
      @RikkiTikkiTavi290 3 місяці тому +2

      @@hansgruber9685 Because AAC is just not the same quality or performance. Good for its price but not top tier.

    • @nomad155
      @nomad155 3 місяці тому

      Also they don't ship to all states ​@@RikkiTikkiTavi290

  • @WearilyCorrect
    @WearilyCorrect Рік тому +3

    Thank you for going through all this work!

  • @jeremywatson9129
    @jeremywatson9129 Рік тому +19

    Moment of truth the 556 round to rule them all. I hope its all its cracked up to be.

    • @jeremywatson9129
      @jeremywatson9129 Рік тому +3

      Despite being a little shy of advertised velocity it's still faster than other 77gt OTM's on the market.

    • @TerminalM193
      @TerminalM193 Рік тому +2

      Honestly I believe the ammunition is extremely overrated when it comes to terminal ballistics. Usually anywhere from 4"-6" penetration before expansion and penetration depth seems rather inconsistent. It's still an amazing round that carries beautiful accuracy. It's definitely a top 5 or arguably top 3 contender. I personally believe a heavy, bonded softpoint from 62 - 75g gives a much better overall result across practically all barrel lengths and twists. I've been able to get sub moa with Speers 62g & 75g with ease and the results I've personally seen on coyotes, large feral hogs & whitetail deer here on the ranch have been phenomenal when directly compared to sierras 77g offering.

    • @asdfghjk2933
      @asdfghjk2933 Рік тому

      @@TerminalM193 It is overrated. It's more modern, updated brother on the other hand (77gr tipped matchking) is the best performing 5.56 out there. Amazing what increasing the size of a hollowpoint and adding a polymer tip can do for terminal ballistics.

    • @TerminalM193
      @TerminalM193 Рік тому +1

      @@asdfghjk2933 Honestly, I didn't even know that cartridge existed. Doing research now! Thanks!

    • @asdfghjk2933
      @asdfghjk2933 Рік тому +2

      @@TerminalM193 it’s very well known in hunting circles. Let’s just say it has a good track record of putting down deer and much larger game. Beast of a bullet. It doesn’t penetrate quite as much as bonded or monos (still exits on rib shots) and leaves a lot of fragments behind, but the wound channel it makes dwarfs them. Really impressive stuff.

  • @madmaxd1
    @madmaxd1 Рік тому +2

    I think I'll buy a couple of boxes and try these on for size, on my AR Bushy 24" Varminter...
    Thx. for the heads up

  •  8 місяців тому +1

    Great ammo. My rifles love that stuff especially if I’m shooting at a little longer distance

  • @devrinmg
    @devrinmg Рік тому

    Awesome glad you finally got some in for testing! That ejection shoulder bump was 🤌🏻🤣

  • @Blueknight1960
    @Blueknight1960 Рік тому +2

    While I have never shot any black hills ammo, I just look up the price of the black hills 77 gr otm and it's any where between $1.27- $1.30 a round at midway usa. I've just started using the aac 77 gr otm and it's very accurate and it's only $0.55 a round.

    • @caylumhenderson9396
      @caylumhenderson9396 9 місяців тому

      It’s recently increased in price again so I’m not sure if it’s worth it now but I’ve a had some buddy’s that use sigs 77 grain performance Ammo?? It’s a white box of sig but I’ve heard that’s some pretty good stuff

  • @2006Mercury
    @2006Mercury Рік тому +3

    Impressive. Good data

  • @robgraff
    @robgraff Рік тому +1

    @BuffRange this comment is on your Black Hills mk262 vid. Curious if you have tried the Sig 223 77 grn SMK ammo? I just shot 4 separate sub MOA 5 shot groups at 300 yards with that ammo, I was getting an average of 2730fps out of a 20" White Oak Precision service rifle. Needless to say, I was very impressed as I cant even get that out of my handloads with 77 SMK's. Edit to add that it was Sig Sauer 223 Elite Match 77 gr OTM not their 5.56 although both are listed as 2750fps

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  Рік тому

      I have not. Sometimes I have to balance what I can spend funds on for the month, and I try whenever possible to get the ammo donated to me. I'll have to see if Sig can help me.

  • @markbrown4597
    @markbrown4597 Рік тому +4

    Excellent video. I'd like to see the results of this ammo compared to the original stoner concept of 20 inch barrel and 55 grain fmj ammunition. See the difference in ballistics and judge the pros and cons of each weapons system objectively on intended purpose,useability and perfomance

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  Рік тому +5

      Andrew over at AR15.com did a super slow motion of the 20" 1:12 vs the 1:7 and found no discernable different in wounding between the two.

    • @MyLonewolf25
      @MyLonewolf25 Рік тому +3

      77 is better in every way

    • @hansgruber9685
      @hansgruber9685 Рік тому +1

      ⁠@@MyLonewolf25 Compared to M193 specifically or all lighter projectiles? Some of the frangibles in the 55 grain range are pretty impressive.

    • @tommcfarland5368
      @tommcfarland5368 Рік тому +1

      ​@@MyLonewolf25for BC and flatter shooting. A shame no one but IMI can reliably copy black hills powder formular. Some say the secret is the primer. I think BH mixes powders to achieve the FPS the military specified

    • @asdfghjk2933
      @asdfghjk2933 Рік тому +1

      @@hansgruber9685 Compared to M193. For the frangibles, you need to compare a similarly constructed bullet. 77gr TMK for example, which is a polymer tipped hollowpoint. It's like a 55gr varmint round that does more damage and actually penetrates decently.

  • @fatefinger
    @fatefinger Рік тому +2

    I haven’t seen this stuff since 2016. Even online. I still have 350 rounds of it left. And I’m kind of hesitant to use any.

  • @vegapower454
    @vegapower454 5 місяців тому +1

    So the avg est vel of an 18 inch should be about 2694.5 about.

  • @4thforcon426
    @4thforcon426 6 місяців тому +1

    Load my own out of a 20" SPR barrel and getting consistent 2750 ft/sec. Looks like beyond 20" you're getting diminishing returns (only 50ft/sec more from a 22" barrel). Considering buying a 24" bull barrel to stretch the round past 750yards. curious to see what velocity you would get from a 24" barrel. Any plans to add a 24" to the list of barrels in the future? great video.

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  6 місяців тому

      Most 24" barrels are not 5.56 chambers and I'm somewhat leery of trusting a 5.56 chamber for testing.

  • @therealpatriotwolf8005
    @therealpatriotwolf8005 4 місяці тому

    Great job using different barrel lengths!

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  4 місяці тому

      You are very welcome!

  • @wisco_guy
    @wisco_guy Рік тому +4

    Black Hills 69gr OTM is fantastic as well, if not better.

  • @LilSkimp
    @LilSkimp Рік тому +1

    The classic Osama slayer round 🔥 just picked up my first box this round is devastating

    • @johnholder9062
      @johnholder9062 4 місяці тому

      Over $800 for 500 rounds currently. The m855a2 round is supposed to be better but it’s $2 per round and I’m not convinced it’s legitimately being sourced and supplied by vendors so staying away from that one.

  • @bigtrev761
    @bigtrev761 Рік тому +3

    🇦🇺😎👍Hey Matt… cool looking rigs….great honest accuracy …great results 🏁

  • @APBT-Bandog
    @APBT-Bandog Рік тому

    Why the OMK instead of the TMK, which has a better BC and better performance on game?

  • @PinGorilla
    @PinGorilla Рік тому +3

    I chrono graphed the same round out of a 16" American Defense Manufacturing rifle (223 Wylde Criterion barrel) and getting 2705 FPS.

    • @natewahl9873
      @natewahl9873 Рік тому +1

      Out of my ADM 16inch criterion I got 2707 with my serria 77 grain OTM and Ramshot Tac reloads.

    • @PinGorilla
      @PinGorilla Рік тому +1

      @@natewahl9873 Nice. Looks like your powder is on point.

    • @SantosGunworks
      @SantosGunworks Рік тому

      Criterion barrels run approximately 50fps faster than other barrels. They are great barrels.

    • @asdfghjk2933
      @asdfghjk2933 Рік тому

      @@SantosGunworks Wow, really? I've been leaning towards criterion for a while, but if that's true then it seals the deal. Any idea why? I don't think they run 5r rifling or anything like that.

  • @charlesmullins3238
    @charlesmullins3238 Рік тому +4

    I’ve tried duplicating this and with imr 3031 5rds touch at 100 but with low charge…I’ve got 7 or 8 5.56 loads developed for 16” from 53gr v max to 85gr nosler rdf which you ought to try…55gr blitzkings shot excellently also…can’t make the 3240fps my turrets calibrated for without pressure and past 3k never could make a group…I’ve got many hrs on 7.62” also…

  • @arrad77
    @arrad77 Рік тому

    Picked up a box of this ammo a while back. Good stuff.

  • @zh2687
    @zh2687 2 місяці тому

    Why are you running 30 round mags on a bench? wouldn't a 10 round or 20 round mag be more practical for bench work?

  • @andymorales6907
    @andymorales6907 Рік тому

    Has anybody figured out what kind of powder BH is using in this load these days? None of the US produced powders at the time of the development could deliver the target velocity of 2750 fps out of 18" bbl and keep pressure at bay. BH was soursing some mistery powder from overseas and the supply wasn't very steady. Curious if it is still the case or a more readily available powder produced locally is being used now.

  • @Goldeader
    @Goldeader Рік тому

    Please test Meade industries 77gr otm.
    Got a bunch after researching who they were. Supposed to be more accurate than any other loading. Not to mention it’s much cheaper than black hills

  • @frogchaser
    @frogchaser Рік тому +2

    have you tried the 77gr TMK from black hills?

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  Рік тому +1

      I have not. I've been told it's also a very very good round. Might be too long for the 1:9?

    • @paulbouchard1003
      @paulbouchard1003 Рік тому

      Really great rifle-handling with various rifles, regardless of 'left or right side' firearm; especially your bolt technique.

    • @asdfghjk2933
      @asdfghjk2933 Рік тому

      @@BuffRANGE Not sure about precision, but it's an INSANELY good defense/hunting round. Best one out there, if you don't care about barrier blindness.

  • @jdmbraceyourself9860
    @jdmbraceyourself9860 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for the video

  • @mblake0420
    @mblake0420 Рік тому

    My FN barrel 1n7 chf hates anything heavier than 62 grain. Goes fron 1.6 moa with 62 grain all the way to 7 in the 70s and higher.

  • @flossordie2256
    @flossordie2256 Рік тому +2

    I love this stuff so much I began to load my own. I have spent probably 1000 hours loading... should have just purchased.

    • @charlesludwig9173
      @charlesludwig9173 Рік тому

      You can get an equivalent hand load from RE-15, about 25.5 grains in Winchester Brass primed with Winchester Primers. This has been popularized by US Service Rifle Competitors.

    • @flossordie2256
      @flossordie2256 Рік тому

      @@charlesludwig9173 I've been doing the Sierra matchking since before they had one with a cannelure. I had that cannelure each bullet by hand back in the old days. The right now I'm using lake City brass and 25 grains of bLC 2

  • @dmitrykarkov4747
    @dmitrykarkov4747 5 місяців тому

    Kind of expected BHA to be a LITTLE more consistent velocity-wise

  • @Pinzul91
    @Pinzul91 Рік тому +2

    thanks for the video!

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  Рік тому +1

      The pleasure is all mine..

  • @pescad0
    @pescad0 Рік тому

    Do you fire a fouling shot between loads? I was comparing aac and imi yesterday, and the first shot from imi would always be 1.5" high after shooting the aac

  • @bucdan9242
    @bucdan9242 Рік тому +2

    Im going to imagine the 77gr Sierra TMK performs similar. But seeing 2000fps out of a 7.5" barrel, and seeing reports of it fragmenting at even 1900fps will make it a very good defensive round that is not barrier blind.

    • @asdfghjk2933
      @asdfghjk2933 Рік тому

      No not at all - the 77gr TMK is miles ahead of this. It doesn't perform similarly, it is far superior.

    • @brianwood7882
      @brianwood7882 Рік тому +1

      I found yesterday that loading the TMK to magazine length the ogive is more than halfway down the neck. Could result in bullet setback during clambering. I'll find out soon.

    • @warnumenscodpiece3055
      @warnumenscodpiece3055 Рік тому +1

      I know there's a picture floating around the internet that someone took of a gel block that was hit by the 77 tmk that supposedly they had downloaded to below 1600fps and it was still getting some awesome expansion

    • @jakegrube9477
      @jakegrube9477 Рік тому

      Anyone who unironically uses a 7.5 5.56 for defensive use is a moron

  • @bass779
    @bass779 Рік тому +2

    RIP the BuffWallet

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  Рік тому +1

      He's got moth's coming out of him..

  • @adventurfly879
    @adventurfly879 4 місяці тому

    The AAC version of this load is plenty good enough. And the price difference is giant

    • @johnholder9062
      @johnholder9062 3 місяці тому

      AAC 77gr OTM costs $11.99 / 20
      BLACKHILLS 77gr mk262 mod-1 C $39.99 / 20
      🤔

    • @adventurfly879
      @adventurfly879 3 місяці тому

      @johnholder9062 exactly. Black hills is undeniably good. But the aac with Sierra match king bullet is 15.99. And it's a fantastic copy of the black hills.

  • @tylerleavitt2715
    @tylerleavitt2715 Рік тому +1

    I love the Korean metal mags at $8.99 get some!!!’

  • @whenpigsdie6103
    @whenpigsdie6103 Рік тому +1

    🙌🙌

  • @JustAverageJeff
    @JustAverageJeff Рік тому +2

    You're getting magnification of course the eye relief will be worse than a 1x that's part of the trade off you make by magnifying glass.

    • @andymorales6907
      @andymorales6907 Рік тому

      Vortex 3&5x microprisms have pretty much identical eye relief. Actually 5x has a tiny bit larger one so I don't think this is as simple and linear a relationship based solely on magnification.

  • @dashowdy
    @dashowdy Рік тому +2

    I will stick with my frontier match 75gr, better sd and velocity, plus price.

    • @dashowdy
      @dashowdy Рік тому

      @@AndyAdventuring the Frontier match with the cannelure currently is BC of .395

    • @dashowdy
      @dashowdy Рік тому

      @@AndyAdventuring e-mailed Hornady a while ago, the non-cannelure 75gr is a .355 bc, the cannelure bullet with the sharper nose is .395. Not sure why it claims two different bc’s on several different sites.

  • @BravoJulietAlpha
    @BravoJulietAlpha Рік тому +1

    Thank you. This is outstanding information. Shalom.

  • @THPOOKY
    @THPOOKY Рік тому +1

    We definitely needed a randy macho man Savage cream of the crop clip lol

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  Рік тому

      Damn it missed that opportunity.

  • @operatorsanonymous1741
    @operatorsanonymous1741 Рік тому +4

    That's slow for 262. I get his 20in velocities in my 16in gun.

    • @operatorsanonymous1741
      @operatorsanonymous1741 Рік тому +1

      @T X lol yes. 2742fps avg verified off a magnitospeed chronograph

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  Рік тому

      @@operatorsanonymous1741 Could be the chrono. Could be weather conditions. It still has posted the highest velocities of any of the 77gr OTM's to date

    • @operatorsanonymous1741
      @operatorsanonymous1741 Рік тому +2

      @Buffman - R.A.N.G.E. I used to exclusively uses mk262 but since it became spotty I stopped and moved to a different load. I recently started using Badlands Munitions Co. 77gr OTM's as they perfectly mimicked mk262. Took mk262 out to 1000yds a couple times but haven't pushed the new shit that far yet. New load is cooking at about 2761fps at 79°F with a BP or 30.19inHg.

    • @SantosGunworks
      @SantosGunworks Рік тому +1

      It's the barrel. Each barrel is going to be different.

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  Рік тому

      @@SantosGunworks also another variable as well.

  • @Bran_Nuthin
    @Bran_Nuthin Рік тому +2

    For the algorithm!

  • @Gabthar
    @Gabthar Рік тому

    I am glad the term "recoil Impulse" was not used in this video. That term drives me nuts because recoil implies an impulse and to use the two in the same sentence is extremely redundant.
    Sorry! I had to vent!

  • @tonyc223
    @tonyc223 Рік тому

    ""Double chrome FN barrel... Just sent 2 back to Brownells one 16'' one 20'', chrome flaking off lands at 280 ,500 rounds.

  • @jayblemsin4226
    @jayblemsin4226 Рік тому +1

    Its about 100 fps faster than the AAC

  • @edgarburlyman738
    @edgarburlyman738 Рік тому +2

    6x45 will shoot a 90 grain with a slightly higher BC, at a slightly higher velocity

    • @asdfghjk2933
      @asdfghjk2933 Рік тому

      Why is that relevant? A 308 will shoot a 155gr with a much higher BC at a slightly higher velocity.

    • @edgarburlyman738
      @edgarburlyman738 Рік тому

      @@asdfghjk2933 the 90 grain has a ballistic coefficient like the 155 .308, so it gives the same trajectory but it weighs less and fits in an ar-15 no modifications

  • @TerminalM193
    @TerminalM193 Рік тому

    I can never find this stuff for under 2.50 a round.... Never....

  • @non-binaryjesus
    @non-binaryjesus Рік тому

    Maybe if you wouldn't shoulder it on camera, then they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. 😂

  • @MikeHunt-rw4gf
    @MikeHunt-rw4gf Рік тому +1

    algorithm

  • @ColeDedhand
    @ColeDedhand Рік тому

    The og hadji-fucker.

    • @Halal_Dan
      @Halal_Dan Рік тому

      Looks like it didn't work very well 😂

    • @hansgruber9685
      @hansgruber9685 Рік тому

      @@Halal_Dan Over a million dead…

    • @Halal_Dan
      @Halal_Dan Рік тому

      @@hansgruber9685 And what did a million dead Iraqi civilians get the US?

  • @williamcooper2496
    @williamcooper2496 Рік тому +1

    Your hat is on backwards...

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  Рік тому +1

      Is it not allowed to me?

    • @herrprepper2070
      @herrprepper2070 3 місяці тому

      @@BuffRANGEit just looks odd.

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  3 місяці тому

      @@herrprepper2070 lol I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person who wears a hat backwards :)

  • @timb8970
    @timb8970 Рік тому

    Good ammo, but as usual , greatly overhyped by guntubers. Paying double what you should pay for it.

  • @MrSpudz2
    @MrSpudz2 Рік тому +1

    How can you claim good build quality when the gas port in the barrel was oversized?

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  Рік тому

      They didn’t build the barrel. That’s on the barrel manufacturer. Had these been in-house or barrels specifically manufactured for them then yeah I’d ding that against them.

    • @MrSpudz2
      @MrSpudz2 Рік тому

      But if you or the company you represent is using a out of spec barrel from a third party vendor, that speaks on the quality of the build