ship blows up, moves to DS9, station is attacked, changes department, the Borg attack, takes command of the Defiant, ship gets disabled, goes back to the Enterprise, NO TACTICAL CHAIR! AGAIN! FUCKING BLOODY KHALESS! SERIOUSLY! _goes away muttering curses_
They only need to put rocks in if the explosion isn't enough to total the device. All the equipment comes preloaded with rocks to be ejected upon receiving damage.
@@novaiscool1 I have a theory as to why sparks always flew out of the consoles. _"Captain, I can't get the phasers back online!"_ _"Well, that's because that console is actually just a bunch of Tesla coils covered with a metal box. Its only purpose is to make the job more dangerous. Now send power to the deflector dish!"_
Worf's stool never made sense to me once they added it - It doesn't move and his console is about two meters wide of LCARS work space. He would need to stand up and move to each extremity to do his work. Poor Worf. Picard was just fucking with him.
A lot of people miss that during the first season the command chairs were meant to appear futuristic by being bolted to the wall behind rather than securely below them to the floor. Of course this created a problem with some of the, ahem, larger actors that sat in the chairs especially when acting and sitting down in the chair quickly or rocking the chair back and forth. In the first season that back wall near the floor was painted white to show off that there was no floor support, and then when they added the sturdier floor support they then darkened that so that it wasn't such an apparent change. But it did change what was supposed to kind of look like a floating futuristic chair to just another chair bolted to the floor now with extra darkness and shadow underneath them since there was no longer a reason to emphasize this futuristic and novel feature, but instead a need to camouflage it with supports, carpet and painted background of the same color.
Love these in depth videos! I really like the "Generations" bridge. It looks more busy and somehow more professional with the consoles at the sides and much better in general with the raised command chair. And Worf got a chair finally!!! What i didn't like was the lighting. It's a shame they didn't keep the ship. Contrary to Picard who seemed to be pretty indifferent to the loss of his ship at the end of the Movie, to me it felt like my most beloved TNG Character died with it. (i still hate the Ent -E)
The raised command chairs for Generations is because they shot the film 2.39:1 and raising that area decreases vertical space between actors' faces which is needed for widescreen. It's a nice visual to have the increasing heights as the depth increases too.
3:06 It was said the reason why they changed out the seats on the helm and ops stations is that they were too comfortable and since they were in a reclined position, it often led to the actors in those chairs falling asleep. They were changed out for more upright seats to eliminate that problem.
The bridge of the Enterprise D isn't one of the most iconic sets in Star Trek, It is, together with the original Enterprise bridge, one of the most iconic sets in movie history.
I never check my subscriptions, I usually just visit the channels I'm in the mood for watching and see if they've got anything new, OR a new video pops up in my recommended videos. But I never check my subscriptions page. Am I unusual, or do most people do it this way?
Another change to season 2 was the black glossy lcars screens along the back wall were *continued around the corners* and on the sides of either end. This coincided with Geordie needing a fittingly elaborate engineering console, and seemed to make sense also aesthetically. It did make the whole back wall seem more of a computer center alcove rather than just, a wall. And very rarely were the chairs for those stations ever pulled out that were laboriously designed to fit flush against the wall like a drawer. It's odd that they would have been used such a Custom Engineered feature. In every episode there should have been someone sitting in one or two of those stations. But usually they would just go back there and stand, or worse yet kind of sit on the control panels. While they were discussing whatever anomaly.
I remember an article all about the Season 2 Bridge set updates in the official _Star Trek: the Next Generation_ magazine. I don't remember the _contents_ of the article, but I remember reading it in there and the blurb about it on the cover.
i actually really liked the movie bridge for generations, i was sad it was the last outing of the d but our corporate overlords demanded a terrible price. still id like to think all future galaxy classes had this design. I kinda wish i could go see one of those recreations of a bridge, like the one they rescued the set pieces from being just thrown away. i have actually wanted to modify an office chair to have lcars arm rests at some point
I was obsessed with this crew, and this ship as a kid in the early 90s..I wanted nothing more then to walk around this ship and explore it and sleep in some quarters and maybe even have a little job to do on the enterprise that required interaction with the main crew...come to think of it as a 42 years old I still want the same things I did as a kid
Funny, I just realized I have the background music you used in this video. It's on this really low-budget CD called "Golden Dance Classics Hypnosis." Lol
Andrew Gwilliam I always consider the specifics of lighting to be non diegetic unless it’s directly referred to by the characters or specifically part of the plot. Otherwise the TOS era had a disconcerting amount of stray light bars dramatically lighting characters eyes at dramatically appropriate moments!
The grid pattern was there in the beginning by Andrew Probert, but he said the lighting director chose not to put a light behind them (which is a cue from the original Star Trek Enterprise set, which cast a grid pattern of those coming out of the turbo lift). I noticed that right away in Generations.
I'm a complete basket case/sicko and know everything about Star Trek but I NEVER ever noticed the grill pattern on the Con and Opps chairs were removed after season 4/5. Wow. Nice work!
The aft station were also reconfigured a couple of times. In series 1 they were science I, science II, emergency manual override, environment and propulsion systems. In series 2-7 they were science I, science II, mission ops, environment and engineering. In Generations they were science IV, mission ops, environment, engineering I and engineering II.
One thing that jumped out immediately about TNG -- ceilings! I never saw them shot in TOS (which I watched from the beginning) unless to show some critter on it perhaps. BTW, I still get a chuckle out the hard copy printer on the bridge in the pilot. I guess that's how starships were tracked -- by the trail of trash dropping out of warp.
I think Doug Drexler mentioned it that they used the cardboard deals over the LCARS aft station consoles because the reflections showed the camera crews too much. They changed the screens to it wouldn't be so reflective I think they did this in season 4. Also I think the reason why for the series finale the Captain's chair wasn't the original I think it was reported it had been stolen so hence why it wasn't there.
Probably during after hours when security wasn't as tight or they had the chair some where else that wasn't really secured...not sure what the whole story was. I just remember reading a while back that it had been stolen.
Before they built in the overhead lighting the cast was lit up by spotlights shining from behind the camera. Those reflections also showed up on the displays.
Whenever there was a distracting glare of the lights on a console, they'd cover it up with black cardboard (or possibly something like foamcore). They did that on the original series, too. The S1 captains chair was still around after the s2 replacement, as it shows up often in the battle bridge set (or whatever other ship's bridge it was representing on any particular week). But 7 years is a long time for a chair to last in storage without getting cannibalizied/repurposed....or sure, maybe stolen.
The original plan was to have to port and starboard bridge stations, as seen in Generations, but as you alluded to in your video, they simply did not want to pay extras, or deal with the logistics of moving and filming so many people at once.
Spin-off video idea - A look at the Vegas Hilton Enterprise D bridge and all the differences to the show version. It's long gone now but there's plenty of media of it out there.
I was lucky to have a very long and involved tour of that set, (there actually were two because they did weddings there and didn't want to shut down the ride during them so they had a spare, also used on extremely busy days), but only two of us paid for the behind the scenes tour and the man was more than happy to let us spend as much time as we wanted there. One thing that kind of irritates me that a lot of people don't catch that are supposed to be experts, is able to show the Vegas bridge and say that it is the official Bridge. The easiest way to tell it's not the official bridge is the difference in *height of the rail behind the captain's chair* . For the Vegas attraction, they had to make the slope from aft to front a lot less steep to accommodate wheelchairs and also so people wouldn't trip going down the ramp. On the real set the floor behind the captain's chair was at least two feet higher then the center section, but on the Vegas set it was only about 6 in. So at a glance, yes it looks almost identical, but the captain's headrest is all the way up near the top of the rail, which is we all know from watching the show is there were a couple of feet there where the back or aft part of the bridge was raised up that was *very much flattened in the Vegas attraction* . I've even see people that worked on/in and built the official sets look at that Vegas version and talk about the details of the shooting set they worked on, and they're *not talking about their own work at all* they're talking about a Vegas attraction that had to be altered for handicapped access and made out of much cheaper materials that the public wasn't supposed to even touch. It was very good of course, but it was not meant for screen use and of course the lighting was different and many other telltale signs. But the easiest one is look at that chair, and if that headrest is near the top of the rail, you're looking at either one of the Vegas reconstructions or some of the others that have been made, because that slope is an issue when you're going to have the public walking around with no handrails, even the steadiest person can get their sneakers stuck in the carpet and trip. So it's an accommodation that they had to make in order to avoid people falling down into accommodate Walkers and Wheelchairs and things of that nature, and of course baby carriages and everything else people tend to bring with them. The TV shooting set didn't have those requirements. So can have the app level several feet higher, which also worked for the front camera angle so that all the actors were visible which isn't necessary on a tourist attraction.
Dale Stafford I think the Vegas bridge is actually more canon appropriate after the rescaling of the Enterprise during the shows run, the screen bridge just wouldn’t fit with all that elevation!
I had been wondering about the bridge evolution for the past few days. No longer. Thank you for compiling these informative video, and it’s fun listening to you to boot! 🖖🏽
Have you considered doing a video on the evolution of the NCC-1701 bridge? What are the stations we didn't see on screen? What do the video screens above the stations do?
Also unlike Star Wars fans, he does not try to force an explanation to every detail, or things producers and directors didn't bothered to explain. Like Newly Built Emperor Palpatines Plastic surgery Centre
@@JunkBallMedia That's awesome, it's great to see that Okuda and the gang still make time for the fans. Thank you very much for all the videos and the hours of entertainment.
With all the attention to detail in this video, I'm surprised the "Season Five" card at 4:41 didn't use the font only used in the opening credits of Season 5. That would've been hilarious. This is still a great video. Thanks for doing this!
25 years later and it still breaks my heart, and even upsets me a little, that they killed the D when they did. I like the E a lot, but I still would have liked to see the D go on to Nemesis and beyond.
E was not as large as D was. Nor did it have as many decks, plus it was not a family friendly ship like D was. Enterprise-E was more of a battle ship. Entrprise-D was more of a ship of Exploration IMO.
The grates over the lights in the turbolift alcoves were there in the series, but they were barely noticeable in the brighter lighting. Sometimes you could see the pattern when alert lights came on. The black cardboard was to cover unwanted reflections, but they changed the way the bridge was lit in season 3 so that they wouldn't be needed anymore. I find it funny that the side consoles in Generations are made to look like they have the same hidden chairs as the aft consoles, but then they have fixed stools too.
The bridge used in the movie. The side stations. As I understand it. They always wanted them. But they never had the budget to put them in for the TV show and they used the movie to put in what they always wanted. Thanks to a bigger budget.
Thank you for sharing this. You have noticed more details of the Enterprise D bridge than I did. Even Worf did get to sit at the tactical station (ST: Generations) but it didn't last. The saucer section crashed landed on the planet and it made Worf fly from his post and fell on the floor with such a thump.
Nice video! I figured I wouldn't learn anything new I hadn't already observed, but I was wrong! Note that the aft starboard (camera left) door to the briefing room has no detailing in Encounter at Farpoint.
I'd have to say my favorite 2 bridge designs were the one used in Generations and the one used in the episode, "Parallels" (S7 E11), where it had the big screen in the back of the arch.
They added the far left and right stations in Generations because movies are in widescreen and of corse during TNG it was broadcast in 4:3! If they left the set as it was it would have looked bare and unappealing. I read/heard this in an interview somewhere years ago.
I have to admit something: Some time ago, probably about 2-3 years ago, I felt my love for Star Trek had really died down. And Star Trek Discovery didn't help me much either to be honest. And I think around the time I saw Star Trek Discovery I found your channel... And everything changed from that day on. Now I am totally looking forward to the Picard series and I think every time I see your videos in my subscriptions, it improves my mood significantly, I am nearly jumping with joy to hear and see your explanations and humor. All I can say now is: Thanks for your great work.
Capt. Picard:"Mr. Worf, Do You Want a Chair?" Worf:"No, Sir. I'm a Klingon Warrior, Klingons do not sit. " 7 Years Later... Worf:"Captain?" Capt. Picard:"Yes, Mr. Worf?" Worf:"My Back Hurts. Since the Enterprise is being Refitting, Can I Get a Chair?" Capt. Picard:"Yes, You Can get a Chair, Mr. Worf."
Hehe poor Worf, seven years a stand up duty with no chair or any seat on the bridge, then finally in 'generations' he got one and the ship crashed on a planet and was lost. Then at the next and very new and very modern Enterprise E the bridge has again no chairs or stools for the tactical consoles.. That means for worf, stand up again.. Now i know why worf has gone to DS9 and took conmand of the Defiant, she has a command chair, he hehe.. Well great video, as well as the other star trek videos too!
Actually, I did notice a couple minor changes made in Season 6. The yellow ship schematics next to the alcove where the ready room is located was altered midway through the season to now appearing fully plain yellow. The red carpeting was altered again to having little square patterns. You'll notice this in close up shots of either the floor or the small back wall area behind the command chairs. Whereas if you watch Season 5's "The Inner Light" for instance when Picard's lying unconscious, there's close ups of the red carpeting and it's clearly more dotted patterns. And maybe it's just the lighting during the last two seasons, but the grey carpeting looks to have a slight bluish tint.
Excellent breakdown! I've always liked the Generations bridge, myself. How about a video that traces the bridge evolution of the original 1701 and 1701-A? There were many minor changes including between The Cage and TOS, TMP-III, and even between the 1701-A in IV and V and VI. Then of course Discovery throws a huge visual reboot wrench in the works.
The biggest thing about the Generations bridge (as well as the Yesterday's Enterprise bridge) is that the lighting is far better and darker and feels much less like at TV studio. They've done a good job with the recent Treks making the lighting more appropriate on the bridges.
A couple of things you left out: In Season 2 they added LCAR window panels to either side of the back (Science). Also from the beginning of Season 3 for about six episodes the carpet is white and then is changed back to gray.
This was a GREAT video! I've casually been wondering about all the minute changes to the bridge over the years, but couldn't recall them. This video showed me so many that I hadn't even noticed myself.
This was actually pretty interesting. Some changes like the ops and con chairs are very obvious, and well known, but you pointed out many things that I never noticed.
As always a refreshingly humorous insightful and informative video... In today's video, I learned about D's :P Who doesnt love a guy with big B's openly discussing D's? This video gets an A on my list :) Well done :)
My office co worker has back problems and deliberately bought in a stand up desk. They are good for back postures (look it up). I got one myself and report it is better than sitting down. In Sweden it is mandatory that desks can be set sit down or stand up
So, Picard season 3 spoilers below..... Fascinating that they brought back the Enterprise D, but not as we last saw her. Instead of just rebuilding the Enterprise D saucer and pairing it with a spare secondary hull, Geordie also returned it to its pre-Generations status. Because it's the version most familiar to fans?
The panel explosions are sue to electro plasma fluctuations which cause either backflow due to magnetic constrictor failure or total collapse of the magnetic containment system. At least that is what I learned at the N.C. Starfleet engineering extension course I took.
I love these videos! It's also great to see there are other people as nerdy about, and as in love with, TNG as me after it's been over for so long. Can't wait for the new Picard show :)
The bridge layout for Generations was the best...they should have done that earlier :D tho my fav bridge still is the Enterprise E's of FC - just awesome
Many years ago I heard or read that the main reason for the additional stations on the sides of the ‘Generations’ bridge was the wide screen film format... the set had to be expanded to allow for wide shots of the bridge. FWIW...
One more change Hermann Zimmermann made for the Generations' bridge was to the ceiling. He replaced the "fishbone" struts from the first season with stouter ones, because he finally had enough budget for it.
I wish the Generations bridge was the bridge in the series. It still would have looked elegant but not like a hotel lobby but still looked like a bridge of a starship.
See I'm the opposite. I wish the Series Bridge was in the movie, without the steps and that God awful yellow tinted lighting. If we could at least have the same lighting as the show did, I would have been ok
Perhaps today IS a good day to sit.
Tough little chair.
"Little?"
@@stevo0124 You do remember how to fire phasers?...
Definitely feeling aggressive tendencies, sir!
@@ballroomscott wrong movie :P
Yeah, but it's still a good Worf quote. :D
>be worf
>wait 7 years for your chair
>finally get it
>ship blows up
>be so depressed that you move to DS9
Yup, just in time for Deanna to crash the ship. I wouldn't let her drive my Nissan lol
Then Sisko, offscreen, gives Worf the ultimate incentive to stay in Starfleet: the Captain's chair of the Defiant.
Who could say no to the command of Ben Siskos motherfucking pimp hand?
ship blows up, moves to DS9, station is attacked, changes department, the Borg attack, takes command of the Defiant, ship gets disabled, goes back to the Enterprise, NO TACTICAL CHAIR!
AGAIN!
FUCKING BLOODY KHALESS! SERIOUSLY!
_goes away muttering curses_
The sentence "be worf" makes me laugh. What is that, like a list of instructions or something?
Holy shit.....after all these years I didn’t even notice that Worf finally got a chair until you pointed that out.
Same!
Same here lol
Same. My life is forever changed
Mind blown
I forgot about it since Generations was so BAD, Worf getting a chair was probably the best part of the Enterprise-D section of the movie.
Of course they had to add all these access panels... how else would you get all the rocks into the consoles?!
I bet a close up of the console shows a label that says "Rocks".
They only need to put rocks in if the explosion isn't enough to total the device. All the equipment comes preloaded with rocks to be ejected upon receiving damage.
@@novaiscool1 I have a theory as to why sparks always flew out of the consoles.
_"Captain, I can't get the phasers back online!"_
_"Well, that's because that console is actually just a bunch of Tesla coils covered with a metal box. Its only purpose is to make the job more dangerous. Now send power to the deflector dish!"_
:)
When they run out of rocks, do you think they would transport more aboard, or just replicate new ones?
Starfleet consoles 100% pure explodium.
And loving it!
So is the obirth
*scotty’s accent* Pure explodium rocks put in those console, don’t know why but that is what starfleet wanted.
WORF FINALLY GOT A CHAIR?!?!
Right?! I didn't even notice till seeing this. 😂🤣
Now I have to watch Generations again.
@@old4mat You shouldn't.
Worf also had a chair on Deep Space 9, on the Defiant.
Don't be a dork. You support this nonsense? Soon, worf will have a pink dress. I bet you will like it too. Degenerate.
Worf's stool never made sense to me once they added it - It doesn't move and his console is about two meters wide of LCARS work space. He would need to stand up and move to each extremity to do his work. Poor Worf. Picard was just fucking with him.
It probably raises up from the floor, and it could be connected to a rail like Tom paris's where it can slide from side to side.
Imagine Worf slipping and sliding up there during battle
@@krim7 That would be both cool and hilarious XD
@Dale Stafford I always thought Tom's chair had wheels like a normal computer chair.
@@BigDavey I believe it's actually on a track that conforms to the semi-circle shape of the console.
A lot of people miss that during the first season the command chairs were meant to appear futuristic by being bolted to the wall behind rather than securely below them to the floor.
Of course this created a problem with some of the, ahem, larger actors that sat in the chairs especially when acting and sitting down in the chair quickly or rocking the chair back and forth. In the first season that back wall near the floor was painted white to show off that there was no floor support, and then when they added the sturdier floor support they then darkened that so that it wasn't such an apparent change.
But it did change what was supposed to kind of look like a floating futuristic chair to just another chair bolted to the floor now with extra darkness and shadow underneath them since there was no longer a reason to emphasize this futuristic and novel feature, but instead a need to camouflage it with supports, carpet and painted background of the same color.
Tasha Yar wasn't that heavy. Shame on you.
@@HOTD108_ lol I obviously meant Riker, that young man somehow patted on about 50 lb in a year LOL
Love these in depth videos!
I really like the "Generations" bridge. It looks more busy and somehow more professional with the consoles at the sides and much better in general with the raised command chair. And Worf got a chair finally!!! What i didn't like was the lighting.
It's a shame they didn't keep the ship. Contrary to Picard who seemed to be pretty indifferent to the loss of his ship at the end of the Movie, to me it felt like my most beloved TNG Character died with it. (i still hate the Ent -E)
Agreed, I read the Galaxy class ships were supposed to last 100 years or something. We shouldn't have had a 1701-E until the 25th century.
I could listen to you talk about plywood laminate for days.
There's something wrong with us, isn't there?
Autism is awesome.
@@rock3tcatU233 Absolutely
Need a new video showing how Comodore Geordi LaForge undid all of the Generations additions and brought the bridge back to all it's TNG S5 glory.
The raised command chairs for Generations is because they shot the film 2.39:1 and raising that area decreases vertical space between actors' faces which is needed for widescreen. It's a nice visual to have the increasing heights as the depth increases too.
3:06 It was said the reason why they changed out the seats on the helm and ops stations is that they were too comfortable and since they were in a reclined position, it often led to the actors in those chairs falling asleep. They were changed out for more upright seats to eliminate that problem.
I'd fall asleep too if I was just sitting there waiting for what feels like eternity for the crew to actually start filming.
The bridge of the Enterprise D isn't one of the most iconic sets in Star Trek, It is, together with the original Enterprise bridge, one of the most iconic sets in movie history.
u wish lol
So true!!
Movie history?? TV history definitely but hell no not moive history. Star Trek movies are SO BAD.
@@commiecomrade2644 While that make be arguably true, script and directing has nothing to with set design, which is what OP is talking about.
@@commiecomrade2644 You called "Star-Trek IV: The Voyage Home" Bad?!
The best part of waking up, is Junkball in my subs
Fuuuuuuuuu....... Yeah
Good to the last drop!
Sit Ubu, sit. Good dog. *woof*
I'm hearing that in 🎵🎵 now.
I never check my subscriptions, I usually just visit the channels I'm in the mood for watching and see if they've got anything new, OR a new video pops up in my recommended videos. But I never check my subscriptions page. Am I unusual, or do most people do it this way?
Another change to season 2 was the black glossy lcars screens along the back wall were *continued around the corners* and on the sides of either end.
This coincided with Geordie needing a fittingly elaborate engineering console, and seemed to make sense also aesthetically.
It did make the whole back wall seem more of a computer center alcove rather than just, a wall.
And very rarely were the chairs for those stations ever pulled out that were laboriously designed to fit flush against the wall like a drawer.
It's odd that they would have been used such a Custom Engineered feature. In every episode there should have been someone sitting in one or two of those stations. But usually they would just go back there and stand, or worse yet kind of sit on the control panels. While they were discussing whatever anomaly.
Dale Stafford probably the transparent aluminum top got blown off the top in the crash and glass was in the lower lighting and that is what shattered.
I remember an article all about the Season 2 Bridge set updates in the official _Star Trek: the Next Generation_ magazine. I don't remember the _contents_ of the article, but I remember reading it in there and the blurb about it on the cover.
i actually really liked the movie bridge for generations, i was sad it was the last outing of the d but our corporate overlords demanded a terrible price. still id like to think all future galaxy classes had this design. I kinda wish i could go see one of those recreations of a bridge, like the one they rescued the set pieces from being just thrown away. i have actually wanted to modify an office chair to have lcars arm rests at some point
Chairs are without honor!
Funny because I from memory it seems like Klingon bridge officers had more access to chairs than poor Worf.
Chairs are a warriors drink!
What about... What about stools?
worf also believed that klingons did not laugh. until dax set him straight, that is.
I was obsessed with this crew, and this ship as a kid in the early 90s..I wanted nothing more then to walk around this ship and explore it and sleep in some quarters and maybe even have a little job to do on the enterprise that required interaction with the main crew...come to think of it as a 42 years old I still want the same things I did as a kid
Closest thing would have been to go on star trek the experience in Vegas when it existed. I did and it was amazing.
Funny, I just realized I have the background music you used in this video. It's on this really low-budget CD called "Golden Dance Classics Hypnosis." Lol
Generations Enterprise had the comfiest bridge.
And the best vintage uniforms.
@@thoughtfortheday7811 And they even had a small bar stool for Worf^^
But the worst lighting.
Maybe they changed because Data was self-conscious after his respray.
Andrew Gwilliam I always consider the specifics of lighting to be non diegetic unless it’s directly referred to by the characters or specifically part of the plot.
Otherwise the TOS era had a disconcerting amount of stray light bars dramatically lighting characters eyes at dramatically appropriate moments!
@@DrewLSsix Not to mention the use of soft focus. 😀
Any day with new junkball is a good day.
And you didn't even have to use your AK!
Nothing with any honor or pride would accept having peoples' asses on them. That's what Wesley is for.
“Between its debut in 1987 and its final use in 1994…”
2023: “Hello, chair.”
I love TNG and the Enterprise D in particular!
The grid pattern was there in the beginning by Andrew Probert, but he said the lighting director chose not to put a light behind them (which is a cue from the original Star Trek Enterprise set, which cast a grid pattern of those coming out of the turbo lift). I noticed that right away in Generations.
I'm a complete basket case/sicko and know everything about Star Trek but I NEVER ever noticed the grill pattern on the Con and Opps chairs were removed after season 4/5. Wow. Nice work!
The aft station were also reconfigured a couple of times. In series 1 they were science I, science II, emergency manual override, environment and propulsion systems. In series 2-7 they were science I, science II, mission ops, environment and engineering. In Generations they were science IV, mission ops, environment, engineering I and engineering II.
Ops & Conn panels swung out in the first season. The seats swivelled season 2 onward
One thing that jumped out immediately about TNG -- ceilings! I never saw them shot in TOS (which I watched from the beginning) unless to show some critter on it perhaps. BTW, I still get a chuckle out the hard copy printer on the bridge in the pilot. I guess that's how starships were tracked -- by the trail of trash dropping out of warp.
I think Doug Drexler mentioned it that they used the cardboard deals over the LCARS aft station consoles because the reflections showed the camera crews too much. They changed the screens to it wouldn't be so reflective I think they did this in season 4.
Also I think the reason why for the series finale the Captain's chair wasn't the original I think it was reported it had been stolen so hence why it wasn't there.
How does one walk off a studio lot with a chair? Lol
Probably during after hours when security wasn't as tight or they had the chair some where else that wasn't really secured...not sure what the whole story was. I just remember reading a while back that it had been stolen.
Before they built in the overhead lighting the cast was lit up by spotlights shining from behind the camera. Those reflections also showed up on the displays.
Whenever there was a distracting glare of the lights on a console, they'd cover it up with black cardboard (or possibly something like foamcore). They did that on the original series, too.
The S1 captains chair was still around after the s2 replacement, as it shows up often in the battle bridge set (or whatever other ship's bridge it was representing on any particular week). But 7 years is a long time for a chair to last in storage without getting cannibalizied/repurposed....or sure, maybe stolen.
Just transport it....
The original plan was to have to port and starboard bridge stations, as seen in Generations, but as you alluded to in your video, they simply did not want to pay extras, or deal with the logistics of moving and filming so many people at once.
Spin-off video idea - A look at the Vegas Hilton Enterprise D bridge and all the differences to the show version. It's long gone now but there's plenty of media of it out there.
I was lucky to have a very long and involved tour of that set, (there actually were two because they did weddings there and didn't want to shut down the ride during them so they had a spare, also used on extremely busy days), but only two of us paid for the behind the scenes tour and the man was more than happy to let us spend as much time as we wanted there.
One thing that kind of irritates me that a lot of people don't catch that are supposed to be experts, is able to show the Vegas bridge and say that it is the official Bridge.
The easiest way to tell it's not the official bridge is the difference in *height of the rail behind the captain's chair* .
For the Vegas attraction, they had to make the slope from aft to front a lot less steep to accommodate wheelchairs and also so people wouldn't trip going down the ramp.
On the real set the floor behind the captain's chair was at least two feet higher then the center section, but on the Vegas set it was only about 6 in.
So at a glance, yes it looks almost identical, but the captain's headrest is all the way up near the top of the rail, which is we all know from watching the show is there were a couple of feet there where the back or aft part of the bridge was raised up that was *very much flattened in the Vegas attraction* .
I've even see people that worked on/in and built the official sets look at that Vegas version and talk about the details of the shooting set they worked on, and they're *not talking about their own work at all* they're talking about a Vegas attraction that had to be altered for handicapped access and made out of much cheaper materials that the public wasn't supposed to even touch.
It was very good of course, but it was not meant for screen use and of course the lighting was different and many other telltale signs.
But the easiest one is look at that chair, and if that headrest is near the top of the rail, you're looking at either one of the Vegas reconstructions or some of the others that have been made, because that slope is an issue when you're going to have the public walking around with no handrails, even the steadiest person can get their sneakers stuck in the carpet and trip.
So it's an accommodation that they had to make in order to avoid people falling down into accommodate Walkers and Wheelchairs and things of that nature, and of course baby carriages and everything else people tend to bring with them. The TV shooting set didn't have those requirements. So can have the app level several feet higher, which also worked for the front camera angle so that all the actors were visible which isn't necessary on a tourist attraction.
Dale Stafford I think the Vegas bridge is actually more canon appropriate after the rescaling of the Enterprise during the shows run, the screen bridge just wouldn’t fit with all that elevation!
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The Vegas bridge set sounds more practical than the TV bridge set...
I HATE how people get that cheap knock off confused with the real thing. Gawd.
Actually, that set is being restored and used as a learning experience.
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I had been wondering about the bridge evolution for the past few days. No longer. Thank you for compiling these informative video, and it’s fun listening to you to boot! 🖖🏽
Have you considered doing a video on the evolution of the NCC-1701 bridge? What are the stations we didn't see on screen? What do the video screens above the stations do?
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I haven't heard the commercial bump music in years. Nice job adding that.
the generations version is my favorite design for the ENT bridge, I love the darker lighting and the changes made to the layout of the bridge.
Thanks for the wood arch info. It’s been bugging me for 20 years.
I finally feel ready to give up the sleeping pills now I know
I love this content, it's my style of tecky trek info provided with humor. Many trek channels are way too serious, this is refreshing.
Also unlike Star Wars fans, he does not try to force an explanation to every detail, or things producers and directors didn't bothered to explain.
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Hit ‘like’ before even watching... Cuz, I know it’s going to be awesomesauce!
The bridge dome shatters after the crash landing in Star Trek Generations... but shouldn't it be transparent aluminum? Hmm....
That’s the ticket, laddie.
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How quaint.
So... is that worth somethin’ to ye?
I love that you bug Michel Okuda for information and that he responds. It just warms my heart.
Yeah. He’s a cool dude. I’ve had DM chats with him. He very generous with his time and info.
@@JunkBallMedia That's awesome, it's great to see that Okuda and the gang still make time for the fans. Thank you very much for all the videos and the hours of entertainment.
With all the attention to detail in this video, I'm surprised the "Season Five" card at 4:41 didn't use the font only used in the opening credits of Season 5. That would've been hilarious.
This is still a great video. Thanks for doing this!
The flashy font of five!!
25 years later and it still breaks my heart, and even upsets me a little, that they killed the D when they did. I like the E a lot, but I still would have liked to see the D go on to Nemesis and beyond.
E was not as large as D was. Nor did it have as many decks, plus it was not a family friendly ship like D was.
Enterprise-E was more of a battle ship. Entrprise-D was more of a ship of Exploration IMO.
@@GeorgeCarlinWasAGod You're right. The Galaxy class is classified as an "Exploration Cruiser," while the Sovereign class is a Battleship.
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@@curtisharvey2330 I don't consider Star Trek Picard canon.
@@pepperVenge Well look who's a picky eater.
I always wondered about these changes. It's hard to tell unless you do a side by side comparison. Worf got his chair at the end! Baller!.
The grates over the lights in the turbolift alcoves were there in the series, but they were barely noticeable in the brighter lighting. Sometimes you could see the pattern when alert lights came on.
The black cardboard was to cover unwanted reflections, but they changed the way the bridge was lit in season 3 so that they wouldn't be needed anymore.
I find it funny that the side consoles in Generations are made to look like they have the same hidden chairs as the aft consoles, but then they have fixed stools too.
I love the Enterprise-D bridge. I appreciate the Holiday Inn conference room aesthetic.
The bridge used in the movie. The side stations. As I understand it. They always wanted them. But they never had the budget to put them in for the TV show and they used the movie to put in what they always wanted. Thanks to a bigger budget.
Thank you for sharing this. You have noticed more details of the Enterprise D bridge than I did. Even Worf did get to sit at the tactical station (ST: Generations) but it didn't last. The saucer section crashed landed on the planet and it made Worf fly from his post and fell on the floor with such a thump.
time to update the video ;)
Cause the “d” stands for d-chair. Best part of the whole video right there:)
Nice video! I figured I wouldn't learn anything new I hadn't already observed, but I was wrong!
Note that the aft starboard (camera left) door to the briefing room has no detailing in Encounter at Farpoint.
I'd have to say my favorite 2 bridge designs were the one used in Generations and the one used in the episode, "Parallels" (S7 E11), where it had the big screen in the back of the arch.
They added the far left and right stations in Generations because movies are in widescreen and of corse during TNG it was broadcast in 4:3! If they left the set as it was it would have looked bare and unappealing. I read/heard this in an interview somewhere years ago.
I have to admit something: Some time ago, probably about 2-3 years ago, I felt my love for Star Trek had really died down. And Star Trek Discovery didn't help me much either to be honest.
And I think around the time I saw Star Trek Discovery I found your channel... And everything changed from that day on.
Now I am totally looking forward to the Picard series and I think every time I see your videos in my subscriptions, it improves my mood significantly, I am nearly jumping with joy to hear and see your explanations and humor.
All I can say now is: Thanks for your great work.
I just wanna say that your video's are really great and well researched. I really enjoy them. Will stay tuned for more.
There is actually enough room for TWO little chairs back there!
Capt. Picard:"Mr. Worf, Do You Want a Chair?"
Worf:"No, Sir. I'm a Klingon Warrior, Klingons do not sit. "
7 Years Later...
Worf:"Captain?"
Capt. Picard:"Yes, Mr. Worf?"
Worf:"My Back Hurts. Since the Enterprise is being Refitting, Can I Get a Chair?"
Capt. Picard:"Yes, You Can get a Chair, Mr. Worf."
I am childishly happy the beloved Enterprise D 'now' floats peacefully in the Federation museum after her last ass kick at the Borg 😊
i didn't realize this was 4 years old, i was waiting for the Picard bridge to appear
Hehe poor Worf, seven years a stand up duty with no chair or any seat on the bridge, then finally in 'generations' he got one and the ship crashed on a planet and was lost. Then at the next and very new and very modern Enterprise E the bridge has again no chairs or stools for the tactical consoles.. That means for worf, stand up again.. Now i know why worf has gone to DS9 and took conmand of the Defiant, she has a command chair, he hehe..
Well great video, as well as the other star trek videos too!
Actually, I did notice a couple minor changes made in Season 6. The yellow ship schematics next to the alcove where the ready room is located was altered midway through the season to now appearing fully plain yellow. The red carpeting was altered again to having little square patterns. You'll notice this in close up shots of either the floor or the small back wall area behind the command chairs. Whereas if you watch Season 5's "The Inner Light" for instance when Picard's lying unconscious, there's close ups of the red carpeting and it's clearly more dotted patterns. And maybe it's just the lighting during the last two seasons, but the grey carpeting looks to have a slight bluish tint.
Give Worf a chair..Ship crashes...that’s about right. Good video
Excellent breakdown! I've always liked the Generations bridge, myself. How about a video that traces the bridge evolution of the original 1701 and 1701-A? There were many minor changes including between The Cage and TOS, TMP-III, and even between the 1701-A in IV and V and VI. Then of course Discovery throws a huge visual reboot wrench in the works.
The biggest thing about the Generations bridge (as well as the Yesterday's Enterprise bridge) is that the lighting is far better and darker and feels much less like at TV studio. They've done a good job with the recent Treks making the lighting more appropriate on the bridges.
Tasha's posture was so bad, I bet she welcomed the black goo in the end, it was a final sweet release from the relentless back pain problems...
A couple of things you left out:
In Season 2 they added LCAR window panels to either side of the back (Science). Also from the beginning of Season 3 for about six episodes the carpet is white and then is changed back to gray.
oh man this bridge is so iconic, I always dreamed of a living room with the exact design....
This was a GREAT video! I've casually been wondering about all the minute changes to the bridge over the years, but couldn't recall them. This video showed me so many that I hadn't even noticed myself.
This was actually pretty interesting. Some changes like the ops and con chairs are very obvious, and well known, but you pointed out many things that I never noticed.
You are a natural born showman loved this very much
As always a refreshingly humorous insightful and informative video... In today's video, I learned about D's :P Who doesnt love a guy with big B's openly discussing D's? This video gets an A on my list :) Well done :)
Once again TriAngulum compliments himself. We all know Junkball and TriAngulum are one and the same! I’m on to you, you old tripod!
I've never seen them in the same place at the same time. Hmmm...
Dont I wish we were the same person, then Id be a totally awesome guy with 35k Subs :) :P
My office co worker has back problems and deliberately bought in a stand up desk. They are good for back postures (look it up). I got one myself and report it is better than sitting down.
In Sweden it is mandatory that desks can be set sit down or stand up
Funny you mention that. I just ordered my 1st standing desk too. Sitting down making these videos is horrible on my back.
I really like the updates they did to the Enterprise D sets for Generations. It made the ship look more busy and "big time" which suits the flagship.
That Zelda powerup sound clip when he shows Worf rising from his stool was delightful.
So, Picard season 3 spoilers below.....
Fascinating that they brought back the Enterprise D, but not as we last saw her. Instead of just rebuilding the Enterprise D saucer and pairing it with a spare secondary hull, Geordie also returned it to its pre-Generations status. Because it's the version most familiar to fans?
I love your dry humor. Keep up the good work!
The panel explosions are sue to electro plasma fluctuations which cause either backflow due to magnetic constrictor failure or total collapse of the magnetic containment system. At least that is what I learned at the N.C. Starfleet engineering extension course I took.
i actually learned a few things here that i didn't know before.
...that includes carpet changes.
It's like school but with cheese balls and farts at will.
That was a really good insight to the changes. I'd noticed some of them over the series but not all of them
I love these videos! It's also great to see there are other people as nerdy about, and as in love with, TNG as me after it's been over for so long. Can't wait for the new Picard show :)
You are awesome. I love it when it when I get a notification that a new video is up. Keep up the great work.
"its gotta have that wood, because you know that D stands for d...CHAIR!" editing! genius! thank you!!! X-D
The bridge layout for Generations was the best...they should have done that earlier :D
tho my fav bridge still is the Enterprise E's of FC - just awesome
Star Trek opts for the Star Wars lack of safety options - No Chair Backrests; No Safety Handrails!
Nothing lame about this video. Well done! :)
Ah....Deanna Troi in her miniskirt outfit....joyous!
Now I have to make a little chair for my worf and my Enterprise-D bridge toy from playmates
I never noticed. Thank you for showing us this!
"That's some section 31 sh*t". 🤣🤣 You continue to be the only Trek channel that never ever disappoints. Thank you!!
Many years ago I heard or read that the main reason for the additional stations on the sides of the ‘Generations’ bridge was the wide screen film format... the set had to be expanded to allow for wide shots of the bridge. FWIW...
Have you thought about doing breakdowns of lesser seen ships like the Akira or Prometheus?
Ian Pillow Absolutely. Those two are on my short list too. Hopefully sometime this year.
One more change Hermann Zimmermann made for the Generations' bridge was to the ceiling. He replaced the "fishbone" struts from the first season with stouter ones, because he finally had enough budget for it.
Great video
I wish the Generations bridge was the bridge in the series. It still would have looked elegant but not like a hotel lobby but still looked like a bridge of a starship.
See I'm the opposite. I wish the Series Bridge was in the movie, without the steps and that God awful yellow tinted lighting. If we could at least have the same lighting as the show did, I would have been ok
New to the channel, good stuff! What is the intro song you use on your videos?
Because any dedication to the d have to have wood. Omg you killed me 😂😂
I love your channel, man!
The question never answered (or maybe asked) why were conn and ops switched after the pilot? They even switched back in All Good Things
I wonder how all of the rocks evolved through the series. Love the videos!
Nice Friday the 13th part 3 intro music
The disruptor hits the 4th wall and destroyed the studio sets of the bridge