Redemption Done Right - Impmon
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- Time to talk about some retro anime again - This time we're talking about Digimon, a series that I rarely talk about, but let's talk about tragic characters, shall we?
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F.U.N.
If that was the test.
I can't unsee it but BeelzeMon reminds me of Griffith.
Or DIO's "the World".
Can you make a video about digimon tamer
He also does the voice of one of the villians from the other live action super hero show related ro power ranger. BIG Bad Beetle Borgs
kamen you forgot the chapters, WHERE ARE THE CHAPTERS KAMEN!
I do believe they did a good job doing a sort of homeage of impmon with ba'almon on xros wars. It had both the same energy but with heavier weight to the background of the character.
It's good to teach children mercy and forgiveness, but a lot of them nowadays forget that redemption does not end at "I regret my actions."
Right. There's a lot of hard work to do after deciding to change for the better. Many things may not be fixable too.
Agree, or it just ends up with a "Sorry for all the harm I cause, can we be friends?", and magically everyone are all pals in a single episode
@@strikeforce1500 Exactly.
It's not easy to become a better person. Abusive patterns are hard to fight, and what you did will *always* weigh on you.
Yup, and people might still not forgive you, but they may accept you've changed.
So many Shonen anime rip off the Vegeta redemption arc without realizing that it has a lot more to do with who Goku is than who Vegeta is until the Majin arc. Basically all of Goku's friends had attacked him with lethal force at some point in his life--Even Bulma and Chichi shot him the day they met. He's had to come to terms with some serious blood on his own hands from an early age, and so can't allow himself to see other killers as irredeemable, even if he despises the act of killing and avoids it whenever he can. He's managed to make peace with monsters, like Android 8 who was created specifically to destroy him, so he has a reason to believe in ideals of mercy and diplomacy.
Besides Zuko, Impmon is the only redemption I’ve seen in Children’s media that feels well developed and earned. The fact they acknowledge that the people he hurt don’t forgive him right after he switches and he doesn’t expect them to speaks volumes
To me Jeri father also had a good redemption arc and a more realistic one when we had that one parent who starts off angry or keep apart from us only to realize the real reason behind it and seeing things in a new light knowing much like us are parents might have problem their self's and needed help but still seeing us as that last good thing from their past or a tragic reminder of what they lost as sometimes a parent will realize their mistake and try and fix things for their kids
It's not just that, it's the fact the show let him fail. He gets to the point he can save Jeri and at least begin to forgive himself...only for his actions to bite him and ultimately cause him to fail. He fails to save Jeri, he fails to fulfill the one mission he gave himself as a requirement to start forgiving himself. And the show just...lets that be the end of it. Yes, at the end of the show, Jeri shows some level of forgiveness but Impmon/Beelzemon still failed in his ultimate objective and the show was PERFECTLY FINE letting that happen, there was no sudden power up or anything to give Beelzemon the strength to go on and save Jeri or any of that...he just...failed. His lines after the kernel reforms are...beyond powerful, it shows how saving Jeri is now EVERYTHING to him.
@@ballom101I liked it. Even as a kid it shows you don’t always get the happy ending and you die a hero.
Impmon was, essentially, the best thing Digimon ever did. Full stop. Actions have consequences, and killing especially does. The entire time I was watching this as a kid, I kept rolling my eyes expecting Leomon to just "come back". Never happened, and that purple demon became my favorite character in the franchise because of it. Not because he was the ideal, but because he was REAL. Always was more impressed when writers respected the intelligence of the audience.
I know, right? All of the characters may have been good, but Impmon stood at the top as the best character
I agree.
Remember folks, Pokémon tells you it's OK to be a kid...Digimon tells you it's OK to grow up!
Yeah... but...
It didn't you about the about the taxes tho.
Haha XD.
Yugioh tells you it's ok solve all your problems with a children's card game lol.
Pokemon teaches you its ok to never achieve anything and be a worthless loser
Digimon teaches you to go out and achieve something with your own 2 hands
@@jtherealmccoy5309 I like how we call it that children's card game but in their world is basically it's basically A Egyptian way summoning monsters and some idiot thought Hey let's turn this into card game. What can possibly go wrong stairs at yugioh GX.
@@vollied4865 I like how you are just projecting your life into the show (pokemon)
I think an important detail is that death is final in the Tamers universe. Not only that Beelzemon consumes the data of all of his victims to grow stronger. The other digimon partners, while also killers, don't eat the data of other fully sentient beings. It's been my understanding that dead digimon can reform in the digital world, even if it's as a new creature, so Beelzemon is effectively consuming souls. I feel that adds a lot of weight to his crimes and eventual redemption.
I agree, especially when he uses Fist of the Beast King to save Jeri. He knew he needed more power, but instead of dirty deals, basically selling his own soul for selfish gains, he was willing to give his own life to make up for his most grave mistake, and I believe Leomon's soul accepted that and gave his power willingly, bringing Impmon's story full circle.
Which is tragic in the way that while Leomon has accepted Beelze for what he is now, doesn't mean Jeri has
So there’s a yes and no in that.
Canonically for digimon through the whole series, when digimon die they turn into digital particles/data. That data turns to digitama ie the eggs that you see, but in tamers they are absorbing that data meaning that a lot of those digimon are truly dead.
When "Edward Elric can't revive rule" logic applies to even Digimon themselves
It's a Schrodinger's Cat situation. The Digital World reset & we have no clue if any of the Digimon are still alive, or if that entire world went on to take a new form & the Digimon they knew are effectively gone. That being said, one of the movies for Tamers is supposed to take place after the end of the series. No hope in really figuring out what happened, though, because the movie never explains how they all got their Digimon back. On top of that, there has been some sort of weird, low key idea running through all the shows since Tamers that all the series' are in a shared multiverse, with the Digital World being the connecting node for all of them. That is why Ryo was in this series, as well as other Digimon media, how "ghosts" of the kids from several other series appeared in Fusion/ X-ros Wars & the Digimon Adventure Tri movies heavily implied that one of the villains from that film actually created the Digimon Sovereign in the first place, which are only important to this specific series. No clue of what the order is supposed to be, or what the logic is to how every single Digimon series manages to fit together realistically, but it is always supposed to be the same Digital world, every time, apparently.
Here’s a fun fact, Impmon was actually conceived as Takato’s partner before being passed up for Guilmon.
That would honestly be a fun dynamic if he still had the same personality like in the final version of the show and he'd have a proper line to tho I love my cute red demon dragon baby and dukemon wouldn't be a thing either
It would be nice for the digimon MC to not have a dinosaur that's a fire type but so far gammamon can fly and has two other elements for his champions for almost.
@@Mysticgamer I mean there’s also the fact that it’s more than 2 elements with fire, electric, wind, light and darkness
I wonder if this is also how Guilmon ended up being a Virus (which is still exceptionally rare among main protagonist Digimon). A Virus that ends up becoming a holy knight (that's somehow still a Virus), but a Virus nevertheless.
@@YamatoFukkatsu True, only one other of the royal knights is a virus types too.
Hard being a Digimon fan in todays age. Wish it'd be more popular but at the same time I kinda enjoy how niche it is. Digimon is full character rich stories. My personal favorite being Alphamon and the Digimon X-Evolution movie he debut in, it's a tragic story that involves the end of the world and genocide.
Digimon's been having something of a resurgence recently, between Ghost Game, Survive and the upcoming probably-movie for 02. IIRC there's even new digivices that came out as well.
@@hyperdimensionbliss Yes sir! and I love it. Ghost Game has been really solid so far. Survive was a fresh take on the games and I wish they continue to take more risks like that.
@@hyperdimensionbliss and there should also be a digimon story game coming out at some point (though to my knowledge it won't exactly be another cyber sleuth game)
Gonna be honest. The Cyber Sleuth games, at least for me, are easily the best Digimon thing to come out in the last decade or so. Didn't like Fusion or Young Hunters at all, didn't care for Applimon, I dropped Ghost Game because it was just boring as hell, I had 0 interest in all the Adventure nostalgia crap (and heard most of it was trash-mediocre), and I World New Order just was not very fun for me. I was interested in Survive, but then it took forever to come out and I stopped caring.
Idk I think survivors could be really good if its gameplay didn't look (and maybe play) so ass. But I genuinely can not get past those sprites. They look far too bad. But hey, maybe others can and they will enjoy an awesome story.
Hope this won't be the last Digimon vid, the series needs more love (which is steadily getting there) instead of always been painted as some kind of imitator!
"instead of always been painted as some kind of imitator!" Which is ironic as Digimon came before Pokemon and Digimon hasn't followed nearly any of the generic formula pokemon has.
@@dragonquest8ftw1
Digimon didn't come before Pokemon. The first Pokemon games came out in Japan in 1996. Digimon first came out in 1997. The rest of what you said is true though
@@kanchomerocks12 In Japan at least. Digimon was the first to hit US shores surprisingly enough. With the original Digital Monster V-pet being released here in 1997 while the Original Pokemon games wouldn't reach America until Fall of 1998
@@dragonquest8ftw1 despite the similarities, I’ve never seen Digimon as a copy, rather a different take on the whole catching monsters, and at times a better one too.
The only moment Pokemon are better than Digimon in even anime is: when Pokemon the Movie 2000 was compared to Digimon the Movie
One thing i really loved in tamers with Impmon was when he was asking for strength to save Juri and used Leomons Lion-Beast-Fist attack which could be viewed as that Leomon gave Impmon the power to save Juri who was his partner and with that Impmon even made a hole to save her but because it was Leomons technique she was reminded of him. It was still a cool scene and seeing the desperation touched my heart.
I feel you on that one, my friend
While Impmon’s redemption was done right he really did fulfill his role as the Demon Lord of Gluttony with how he went on his murder spree absorbing data left right and Center
Yes indeed
Mann I really needa watch Digimon series again, I really miss them
Btw, kinda funny that an anime for kids and to sell toys has better story writing than most of the stuffs marvel and dc put out nowadays
I’d say probably try Ghost Game, although Pseudo-episodic, it does bring in that dark undertone direction which has been a good gamble
Personally, I recommend savers, it's the best one with zero doubt, cause it features a dude punching god in the face... Effectively.
Impmon/Beelzemon is easily my favorite character in Digmon Tamers. He started off a comic relief bully who sold his own soul for power and became one of the most despicable antagonists in the show. However, after he was defeated by Gallantmon and returned back to the human world, he was so filled with guilt over his past transgressions that he is driven to redeem himself by saving the person he wronged. Unfortunately, he is ultimately denied his redemption by Jeri and is almost killed by the D-Reaper. He came so close only to fail because the person he wronged cannot forgive him.
rember that clip of Beelzemon saying he doesn't need forgiveness? 10:15
@@chasevalliere5353 True, but when he broke through the barrier Jerri was trapped in she didn't reach back and the D-reaper zapped Beezlemon and then closed up again.
@@Sciuridae I love that reminder that Impon/Beelzemon really is just a little immature kid at the end of the day though.
A person can find a way forward even if the people they've wronged never forgive them, and this contingency too, is worthy of exploration. I have hurt people who have never forgiven anyone for anything, and there came a day when I realized that my redemption could not be contingent on their mental health. There is none righteous in all the Earth, but we have to find a way to forgive ourselves, move forward and do good.
Except Jeri did ultimately forgive Impmon in the last episode
Yeah, Impmon is a good redemption story.
I think modern day redemption issues are threefold. One is that there’s a feeling that there needs to be a redemption regardless of whether or not the character is suited for it. Two is that the worst ones are often for those who were the head of the villains who, by design, should be the least likely to sway compared to the underlings and, finally, a lack of maturity/time devoted to see it through.
With some popular series like Avatar bringing their villains to the good side, I feel like creators may think that just having a redemption arc will guarantee a hit. So, it’s added in.
Then there’s the fact that, whilst Impmon was a personal threat who killed their friend, he wasn’t so powerful that reaching a hand of friendship out was the only way to stop him. Gallantmon alone could whoop his leather clad behind but he was spared because the mental turmoil was too much already. They gave time to show Impmon’s entire story. Not just throwing in a sob story either offscreen or at the last minute. We see everything.
And the fact that no one will forgive him and he’s not caring because people, especially Jeri, are suffering? That says so much more than some shows that offer forgiveness because of some messed up reasoning or because the plot demands it. Then, it shows that Jeri and the others don’t need to forgive him to win. Jeri only starts to forgive him because she is mentally in a better place and, because of his actions, held less animosity towards him.
Also, it’s nice that Impmon’s tamers are canonically the youngest just under Suzie. They were just bratty children that needed to grow up and realise that their behaviour drove their friend away and they have Impmon back in their lives on their terms and because he was ready to make amends.
What did I mean by some shows having a lack of maturity? Well, some stories can accidentally get too hyped up about villains and have them redeemed on principles like “family must get along and forgive”, “they’re the love interest so they must be redeemed” or “in order to recover from the trauma, you must forgive to move on”. All ideas that sound nice on paper… until you notice that these can not only not work in practice because that’s not how people work, but also it makes the victims of said crimes feel like they have to play nice to be “fixed”. That can be extremely ghoulish.
So, overall, Impmon’s story is a very good one. Not top tier but it has the maturity to show children that the road to redemption is rough, that one good deed won’t fix everything, but that you shouldn’t become better and do good to absolve yourself from guilt. Rather, just take the hard but doable journey to become batter and make amends with those you have wronged because it’s the right thing to do.
Another series that did it fine (not as good as this, but in a way that technically makes sense), is Kamen Rider Gaim- which is ironic, because ever since then, they've done repeated villain switching sides stories & they tend to be the worst part of a lot of seasons. It's also made by the same company that does Digimon, funny enough.
Anyway, for a lot of the early season, the stakes weren't that high, all the characters thought they were just playing a game & the one recurring villain/ rival character was kind of a bratty asshole who was willing to do just about anything in order to win & kept saying that the only thing he cared about and the only redeeming human quality was strength- nothing else. Over time, though, they show what his life was like that made him the way he is, when the stakes start getting higher & lives actually start ending up at risk, he starts helping the heroes more & more & you see a whole other side of the character. He only respects strength, he doesn't actually care solely about that one aspect, like he claims, he has actual, very strong moral lines that he will not cross, he keeps people motivated when all hope seems lost & he is the first one to assess a situation, come up with a plan & get moving towards his goals. Even at the end of the series, he actually sacrifices his own life to save everyone else (in kind of a douchey, asinine way, but still). But, that kind of redemption arc only works because it's well established that all the characters thought that what was happening early on wasn't really that serious, so his asshattery could be easily set aside & forgiven, once they're all put into a situation where their true colors shine.
@@MrChristianDT problem is stakes are risen and I think that, because people keep tuning in with no real problems, shitty villain redemptions never really get looked at much as a problem
@@christopherbennett5858 Tell me about it. Gaim did that, but a later season, Zero-One, has a villain- the guy who literally intentionally caused every single problem & every other villain in the entire show to exist- switches sies because they gave him an Alexa that is programmed to talk nicely to you & have conversations when you're upset. By the end of the episode, the guy comes back like "OH my God! I was an such an asshole! Here, let me help you!" Same exact series.
@@MrChristianDT I remember someone gave a good explanation when criticising Steven Universe; the goal has shifted from focusing on victims of violence to exhausting oneself trying to reach out a hand, thinking that said people simply made a few mistakes.
Plus, people want to guilt free fantasise over villains.
Thank! You! Finally, someone says it!
I know this video is meant to focus on Impmon/Beelzemon but, I just wanted to point out another realistic detail pertaining to the aftermath of Leomon's death. Jeri is never the same weird, bubbly girl we met at the begining of the series. Even after she finally forgave Impmon. Leomon's death so greatly impacted her that I imagine, even when she finally does start to heal, she'll never completely go back to being how she was in the begining.
And its such a realistic thing to show. Experiencing loss changes you and you can never quite recover from it.
That was never who she was to begin with. It becomes obvious throughout the series that she's incredibly troubled. It just gets to the point she can't keep the mask on anymore.
I actually really love that. It’s so realistic
@@dreamingahopefuldream4439
Damn right
@@Coffy-chan
That’s true
Best Digimon. I don't care how edgy the design is, I love Beezlemon. And the moment he does that magic circle thing and uses "Corona Destroyer" followed by "Fist of the Beast King"is so epic. Speaking of, I think you may have missed out by not talking about that part. I remember Liomon trying to talk him out of fighting only for him to get killed. When Beezlemon is trying to save Jerry later he somehow is able to use "Fist of the Beast King". I've always seen that as zero Liomon forgiving Beezlemon for killing him.
He was able to use Leomon's attack because he absorbed his data after beating him, which is a consistent elment of how digimon work throughout the whole show, digimon absorbing any digimon the defeat in order to become stronger.
@@Cri_Jackal
Yeah, but we never saw them use an absorbed Digimon’s attack before then as far as I remember
@@RickyUzumaki993Beelzemon used Makuramon’s technique before that after he had absorbed him during the big fight in the Digital World.
@@Dan_the_Druid
Forgot about that
OMG YES, I love impmon aside from the mischievous stubborn style he is but his digform is AWESOME but also the story for him WORKS. I just love this whole tragic redemption arc for him and getting to appreciate his tamers.
10:38 I have to give the animators props for the downward pentagram, demonic pentagrams aren't supposed to point up, _Hollywood_
Impmon is legit my favourite character in Digimon period, and nothing will ever change that for me. 🥺❤️
Renamon takes the number one spot for me. But Impmon is a high contender as well. It goes to show just how good Tamers was as a Digimon season that we can have so many really well-written characters. I particularly like how they go out of their way to make each of the Tamers' relationships with their digimon distinct from one another. For example, Takato and Guilmon are like boy and his dog. But Henry and Terriermon are more like big bro little bro. Renamon and Rika are like two coworkers learning to become good friends.
Other Digi series from what I remember don't really do this so much. Ghost Game does it a bit, but that's also why a lot of people compare Ghost Game to Tamers, and it's also why a lot of people (myself included) had such high hopes for Ghost Game, and were also sorely disappointed at just how episodic and meaningless it ultimately became. Especially early on, it set itself up to be a truly amazing season. Horror-focused, fantastic new and original digimon designs, new evolutions that nobody knew about, the Digimon being treated as their own people and having their own cultures within the human world, multiple evolution paths, GulusGammamon, fantastic music, etc. It's sad that none of that really goes anywhere in this series, as far as I've seen (I've given up on watching it after getting bored with its episodic nature and no overarching story). It doesn't help that they're using a lot of member berries to garner attention. "Remember Myotismon? Y'all like Myotismon, right? Here he is! But he only shows up in one episode and doesn't really do anything, so he's just a pale imitation of the original guy." They sprinkle in references and easter eggs to other series, but they often don't mean anything. I hear Piedmon shows up, but I'm not interested anymore. Another Adventure Original character showing up for the member berries, but I'll bet he just exists for this one episode too. At least with Clockmon and Mummymon, they show up to do different things than what they did in their original debuts, and at least they show up again in later episodes. All the other member berry characters just feel like watered down versions of the OG.
Sorry about the rant. I can't help it sometimes.
At the very least, I'm hoping Ghost Game at least sets a precedent for the next Digi series to keep going in this direction of well-written characters and Digimon being treated as full characters onto themselves rather than just talking pets for the humans.
Amen to that, my friend!
Impmon and Zuko are great examples of redemption done right.
Ken’s redemption arc was also written really well from digimon 02
@@ayanamiayachanJ Say what people want about Digimon 02 i still think Davis has his redeemable and most relatable moments as when he had to show His friends Ken was never a bad guy despite some mixed feelings he still refued to give up on Ken and even offer to talk with him and in the final episode when Talking with the dark spore kids he even open up his dreams to theme and even helped theme come out of there shells showing Davis is us Trying to be the voice of reason or knowing when to be the voice of reason and help give people hope and see things in a new light
@@comicbookreviewer4856 thanks
@@ayanamiayachanJ no problem
@@comicbookreviewer4856
I loved that part
To me, the moment Beelzemon used Leomon's attack (I don't know the english name 🤣🤣) to open Jerry's prision, was the peak moment to his redemption. Specially when Jerry flips him off and stays, because they didn't the easy/cheap: "That was Leomon's technique" and then Jerry wants to leave because she remembers him.
It’s “Fist of the Beast King”. And agreed.
You forgot to mention the only way he managed to reach jerry was by using leomon strength and beast king fist, which is why jerry was frozen and couldn't be helped, using that attack drove back into her the fact he killed leomon, and this affects beelzemon so hard that he originally just give up and was about to fall and be deleted in the D reaper before the main cast decide to save him, to me it speaks volume to how much this event affected him.
I feel like a lot of shows or viewers confuse "forgiveness" with "redemption".
Like "Oh the main characters forgave the evil guy all their misdeeds, so they are now redeemed" and then they expect everyone else to just forget all the evil things said character has done, because they are now "good".
I mean, forgiveness simply depends on the people involved in the situation. Just because you don't forgive someone doesn't mean other people wouldn't. Even Jesus hung out with sinners and criticized his own followers. I've forgiven people for things other people wouldn't.
Having some characters forgive while others don’t (at least at first) is a great character dynamic, such as with Toph vs the rest of the Gaang in regards to Zuko.
Toph never knew Zuko or how many times or how deeply he’d betrayed them in the past, and she’s a practical person who knows Aang NEEDS a firebending teacher. That’s why out of all of them, she’s the one who tries to reach out to him.
Admittedly, it gets her feet burned and she crawls away in terror but he didn’t mean to do that… and once she calms down she’s able to realize Zuko hadn’t meant to either.
God I love Avatar.
I gotta say I really love how they handle Jeri’s grief, and how she was animated, she’s really trembling and broken. I rarely feel too sad for characters when it comes to situations like this, but in this case when I first watched Tamers, it really tugged my heartstrings
BASEDKAMEN
OMG it's Nux Taku!
Really enjoyed this video, Beelzemon is my all time favorite digimon not only because of his awesome design but also because of his story arc in tamers. I'm almost 30 years old and I still cry every time I watch his blast mode transformation or the moment where he ALMOST saved jeri.
Glad you enjoyed - Now if only youtube could actually promote the damn thing.
Based 30 yo Chad
Haven’t seen Digimon in years, but Impmon was one of the best parts of it, he went from Bully to Menace and finally a hero who tried his best to earn redemption in the end.
I know, right?
Impmon as well as Transformers’ Dinobot and Starscream’s redemption arcs (Beast Wars and Armada specifically) work well especially because of the aforementioned pacing. There is time devoted to their character development, on top of the fact the writing was competent enough to carry it all.
Yes indeed
Digimon Tamers was one of the titles that truly opened my eyes to the power of children's media, and its treatment of Impmon was a big reason for that
Evil Jeri stopped Gallantmon from destroying Beelzemon.
You and me both
I never really understood why Digimon and Pokemon were seen as rivals considering they were both vastly different. Cause Pokemon was about catching them all...but Digimon was about becoming your best with your one partner. I dunno, I loved both and it was often saddening when a lot of people just never seemed to even give Digimon a chance because it 'wasn't Pokemon'.
Impmon's redemption arc was actually one of my favorite parts of that season, which I had the collection to watch them over again. So much nostalgia.
I feel you.
Lucky!
Honestly, never really thought about how much Digimon was constantly experimenting with it's series when compared to Pokemon till this video brought it up. Where as Pokemon was pretty much similar throughout the seasons, just new regions people and characters but still following Ash and Pikachu, where as Digimon was always trying new things with only series 1 and 2 being connected because the 2nd anime was a sequel to the first and even then the only two characters that returned to be a part of the main cast of characters were the two youngest from the former group. Not to mention the 2nd anime introducing Armor digivolution and DNA Digivolution, Season 3 having the cards, season 4 having the digimon spirits and hybrid digivolution, and then season 5 with the main character literally punching digimon. Not to say all those newly introduced concepts stuck or was enjoyed by the fanbase but at least Digimon was will to try and change things up and, if anything, is probably in a better position that Pokemon given the current day issue Pokemon has of having stuck to the same formula for so long that people now are split on if Pokemon should change or keep doing what it's always done.
What's even crazier and something that never even fully clicked for me until I was explaining the games to my brother, very few of the digimon games actually include any form of monster taming.
The first digimon used basically 3D tomagachi mechanics as that's what digimon began as: a subset of tomagachis.
The second game was the first one to use monster-taming mechanics, and even then it more directly took after SMT by having you raise the mon's affinity with gifts before combat so they choose to join you.
3 instantly diverges and becomes a traditional RPG. You pick the 3 digimon comprising your party through 'booster' packs similar to choose your pokemon at the start of the games, but it's a batch of 3 and those digimon are who you get for the entire game.
This continues in a similar vein from here on, with the only other digimon games that involve taming being the story games, using the data-scan mechanic, and in lesser form through survive's free battles.
In the many game releases digimon has had, only maybe like 3-5 games, if that, involve monster taming/collection mechanics
When Pokemon anime tries even Digimon's way of preventing seasonal rots, former cursed like HTF: Ka-pow
Hell, this is the point the anime at least should re-experiment with the Mystery Dungeon and the Rangers series, making them full seasons not just spin off one shots or episodes in the main storyline
I love that Jeri still *HATES* Impmon even after his redemption and his aid to the heroes.
Looking back at Tamers we do see Jeri father going the same redemption arc as Impson it was clear after his wife death turn him into something he not it was clear the reason he never pick her up he was worried of losing someone else important to him as it clear he still cared about His daughter he just needed help and someone to give him some advice but i feel at the end trying to save his child shows he realized he turn himself for the worst and try to fix his mistakes
Impmon will forever b the best digimon just because his story is just too dang amazing 👏
Agreed
Such a underrated franchise
Yes. Yes, it is. And one of my favs from my childhood
To me what I loved about Ipmon’s journey is the way he attained his power. Soo many shows like this use the power of friendship as the end-all be-all for ultimate power boosts. But, Impmon said “fuck that” and took a deal with a devil to get it and the weight of how he got that power was treated with soo much respect. It was a culmination of everything he wanted to be, and because of how much he suffered, I legitimately felt happy for the dude. In another show, the good guys would’ve beaten him showing friendship prevails, but he lives and gets the chance to use it for good. Even when he reconnects with his tamers, the Beelzemon form isn’t replaced looked down on, it’s enhanced, his final form if you will.
I love that detail of his journey. It’s a huge part of redemption, taking responsibility for your actions. It’s as if the writer was saying “you got what you wanted, but you lost yourself. Now use that gift to make things right”
So much of that nuance would’ve been lost if he attained a different form like what Frontiers did with Koichi’s redemption in the next season.
That’s fair, but don’t insult my boy Koichi😢
Kid just got brainwashed and got merc’d after he broke out of it. no redemption, just “oh sh** I was being lied to… f*** I’m gullible. Welp better help my bro-“ aaaaand he’s dead.
Agreed
A video about my boy Impmon? Fuck yeah! His character arc was one of the best things about Tamers.
I know, right? Impmon FTW!
Old redemption arcs I will make up for my mistakes even if it kills me
New redemption arcs I committed mass genocide but my sorry so I'm good now
For the voice actor recognizers Impmon also has the same voice actor as Veemon, Ken Ichijouji from Digimon and who also did Kokichi Oma and Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu in Danganronpa!
What I love most about Impmon/Beelzebumon is how human he is. Which is very ironic, since he hates humans in the beginning. He's envious, jealous and thirsty for power, but at the same time wants to be loved. His arc was really well written. He starts how a little shit just for comic relief, then turns into a killing machine, then goes into anti-heroic terrain until becomes a hero at the end.
Digimon Tamers is my favorite season in the entire series and I have strong nostalgia towards it. Sadly it's the last season of Digimon to be aired in Finland.
I love Digimon Tamers as much as Avatar: The Last Airbender. It's funny how two of my childhood favorite tv series have a major character who goes through a redemption arc.
I really want to rewatch Digimon Tamers so badly but it was never released on DVD in Finland. I guess I should buy an import DVD with the English dub.
Yeah, Impmon's redemption arc is truly compelling and Leomon's death was shockingly dramatic when I witnessed it for the first time.
What I also love about Tamers is it introduced my two favorite digimons, Guilmon and Renamon, ever to the world.
Fun fact: the Finnish voice-actor of Impmon is a distant relative of mine.
Impmon’s arc and his relationship with Jeri is some of the best anime writing of all time. That’s just facts. Not personal opinions.
I’m a simple person: I see a video about Tamers, I click it.
I always loved Impmon, and beelzemon. Their arc was satisfying to both child me and now adult me. Good video. Cheers.
First!!!
A digimon video?
"Digimon is a Pokemon Rip Off".
What about Megami Tensei franchi-
*everyone starts pulling out their guns*
I remember watching digimon a bit as a kid.
I knew people thought of it as a ripoff. But i thought nothing of it.
Actually someone beat you by 8 seconds
@@Mangakamen Really... Damn oh well.
I swear i literally saw no one in the comments.
Must've been a "refresh" thing. Or it delayed me a bit.
Digital Monster = Digital Demons.
Don't tell me it ain't the same thing... kinda.
Pocket Monster (PoKéMon)
I have a friend that is a very big fan of the Megami Tensei franchise, and he made very clear that Digimon is like a Light Shin Megami Tensei.
Like a Shin Megami Tensei toned down to be more optimistic and easier to swallow XD.
@@reikolupus136 And Atlus (the MegaTen Game devs) even made their own Pokemon rip off. On the GameBoy and GB Advance.
Demi Kids Light and Dark.
Digimon Tamers was my favourite show growing up. Beelzemon vs Gallantmon is still one of my favourite fights.
1:12 Really goes to show how little you know about the cardgames when you word it as though there's only just one.
Because _hoo boy_ is there more than just one... _Especially_ in the US where the original cardgame failed due to Bandai America messing up the rules (you gain points to a certain amount instead of losing points but the game wasn't re-balanced to account for this) and from what I heard, being terrible at organizing tournaments. Aside from the video games (though all four of the main series games were janky in their own different ways, the first had a terrible battle system, poor localization and seemed unfinished (with stuff like like MetalEtemon, playable Myotismon and other tamers being found in the game's data and other oddities), the second had terrible dungeon design, the third was full of backtracking and somehow _had a worse training system than the first_ (and as a personal nitpick, I don't like how the area design is in general, I prefer how the first game handled its area design) and the fourth was just generally bad), Digimon was really set up to fail in the US all around.
This isnt really related to what you said at all, but the "hoo boy" made me think of Sojiro from persona 5 Royal
Fun Fact:
Only a Beelzebumon who became good hearted can Evolve into Blast Mode.
This is why the Beelzebumon who is the Sin of Gluttony will never atain Blast Mode, cause he is 100% evil, and unredeamable.
The only power up an Evil Beelzebumon can get is through the X Antibody.
Whoa! I did NOT know that!
Yes Digimon is better than pokemon. More news at 8.
I feel bad for Digimon fans. The only time that I hear active discussion for it is when people are favorably comparing its games’ animations to Pokémon’s.
Every time an outsider talks about digimon, be it a youtube video, a game review or thread posts, it always begins with a rant about pokemon that encompasses most of the message’s content. It’s insufferable.
Literally playing Cyber Sleuth rn and am working for Beelzemon because Tamers is my favorite season
I loved his story. I wish modern shows would be more like that instead of forgiving in a heartbeat.
Oh, do not get me started on that! That is such a pet peeve with me! Honestly, that’s actually why I emotionally and mentally checked out of RWBY.
@@RickyUzumaki993 Same
@@blackkitty369
You too?
@@RickyUzumaki993 Yep. I dropped RWBY at volume 6. Fandom was toxic and watching the series felt like a bad relationship: keeps saying it will be better but results in empty promises.
@@blackkitty369
Oh god, I know that feeling all too well. Volume 6 was just bad and it only got worse from there
Digimon Tamer is great BECAUSE is trying to sell toys to kids, it doesn't need to be complex nor have 50 plot that doesn't go anywhere. If you're doing something for kids doesn't mean that it has to be dumb it mean it has to be simple and likable and Tamer does that just right.
A lot of Villains that go through their Redemption Arc don't do really anything that makes the viewers feel bad. THey may be bad in the context of the universe, but not something that makes the viewer feel like it is unforgibable. "Oh no, he killed a random citizen without a name! Anyways, time to add him to the group of heroes!", "Oh no, he tried to kill the protagonists! But everything is good because he failed.".
Impmon upon evolving into Beelzebumon ends doing something that hits the viewer in the gut: He actually kills a main character, Leomon, while all his friends watched, including his Tamer. This is accentuated even more by happens afterward, with Takato and Guilmon losing control completely by the pure rage against the murderer of their friend and evolving into Megidramon, something that almost makes them destroy the entire world.
This last part isnt exactly Beelzebumon's fault, so the viewer can't really fault him for Takato and Guilmon almost destroying the world, and in fact he is the one to stop them, but it still makes teh viewer feel like everything is his fault.
It makes Beelzebumon feel as if his actions are unforgivable, that he crossed the line and there is no coming back. After you kill a Main Character, you can't simply take their place.
THis makes his Redemption Arc feel even stronger, since not only he now has to make ammends and set things right with the rest of the cast, but he needs to make up to the audience, that feel like Dukemon should have simply killed him.
Making a character feel unforgivable for the audience itself is a very important part of a good Redemption Arc that a lot of stories fail to do.
I know, right? I think that’s a big part of why so many redemptions are unearned
Digimon superior, Pokémon inferor!
That's something that made this show mean so much more to me than the previous seasons. There was real emotional depth and it touched on areas of depression that the other shows would never get so deep into, past something like a character being sad and one person talking to them to cheer them up. When the weight of what he's done sets in, Impmon is really broken. He was someone who was routinely overlooked and abused, and he realizes he just devastated another sad, lonely person, on top of killing someone who was only trying to be a protector. He sees how he let his anger turn him into something terrible, someone abused becoming an abuser. There's also the overwhelming existential crisis of a monster devouring the world, not out of malice or wanting to "rule the world", but like a fungus breaking down a slice of fruit because that's just what it does, and the main characters even at their strongest seem to barely be able to do more than just narrowly avoid death in every encounter, instead of just a deus ex machina digivolution saving the day. It was mature in ways I didn't really see in other shows made for people my age, and I respected it a lot for that.
I know what you mean. I loved how mature the writing was in this show
Best digimon series ever! Impmon was always my favorite!
Impmon is the first Zuko. Before there was Zuko's redemption there was Impmon's redemption.
I grew up with Digimon and Tamers was a big departure from what Adventure and 02 are. Tamers was darker. When I was a kid I admit I liked Tamers but clearly I didn't understand how dark it was till I revisited the series several years later.
Also I always liked Impmon and thought he was cool (specially Beelzemon) but it wasn't until I watched the show again as an adult that I realized just how well written his character was. Definitely one of the highlights of Tamers.
More thing that tamers has, but Adventure and 02 lacks: tamers' willingness to give kids superpowers and treat them as something other than mary sues, instead of automatically labelling any superpowered beings that aren't digimons into mary sues
Honestly, I felt genuinely intimidated by Beelzemon's unhinged rampage when I rewatched this show again as a grown man. There's something so distressing about seeing this pitifully ineffective side character's turn into this unhinged maniac. We know Impmon, we likely sympathize with him, but in that moment, he's just... gone, and it's genuinely frightening.
Imagine my surprise when I then found myself completely invested in his redemption arc afterwards. It helps that he genuinely believes that he's beyond forgiveness even after he regains the trust of his allies. He's willing to throw everything away in order to undo the damage he's caused, not because he believes that he can earn forgiveness, but because he feels that he can't live with himself if he hesitates to come to their aid after everything he's done. Redemption isn't something you simply earn and then move on, it's something you fight to uphold and carry with you for the rest of your life.
Hm… maybe I should rewatch it now. Might give me some ideas.
The digimon series was properly my favorite back in the day where they used to air the series but sadly it went down the path of chaotic being forgotten in the Sands of Time.🐱
What are you talking about, Digimon has only gotten more popular, I've been a fan since I was 5, so this is undeniably true
Digimon's popularity may have collapsed after Tamers finished, and the franchise did stumble in it's revival, but the Cyber Sleuth games brought it back, and now the new series Ghost Game has embraced the darker themes that set it apart from Pokèmon and is holding steady.
It's far from forgotten, and is rising once more.
@@balrog0444 I haven't gotten into Ghost game yet I'm currently trying to find ways to watch data squad online but how is ghost game? I hear mixed things
@@dajhier1It's weakness is that it's very episodic, there's an overarching storyline but no multi-episode arcs at all.
That said, it's good at what it does, and the overarching mystery behind "Gulus" is something that has had the fandom hooked for a while. If you don't mind the "Monster of the Week" format, then I do recommend it. But again, I have to warn you, it gets _dark._
I love both pokemon and digimon but sweet baby Jesus Pokemon can't even compete with Digimon. I remember the characters. Human and digimon. I remember their arcs and stories.
I have vastly more adoration to the Digimon story than pokemon. Pokemon maybe a financial juggernaut but you'd have to be an absolute fool to think Digimon isn't superior on the narrative side.
Impmon’s redemption arc was one of the best arcs of any Digimon series and it make me like the little guy and Beelzemon too!;)
Can you also talk about Baalmon, the _other_ Beelzemon redemption story?
Okay the edit on this episode was really good! I love it!
I noticed when impmon first became Beelzemon his eyes was red then after he finished talking to those kids later on and started on the path of redemption his eyes became green like Impmons.
Blast mode has green eyes
@@hahahahahohohoho5085 😮 ahh I see
Shoot now I genuinely want a video as to why Vegeta’s redemption wasn’t earned.
Also as a major Pokemon fan I still loved this video!😊
vegeta is the posterboy for redemption arcs idk what he is talking about
From how he phrased it,I think it has to do with the latter half of what he means by poor redemption aka "simply changing ideology without regret" as Vegeta doesn't really regret his actions (at least on screen) just changes his ideology
Not my personal opinion but that is what I think he means
@@unknownredacted3513 he literally sacrificed himself for his loved ones, even while knowing he will go to hell. and in the dbs mana when he returned to namek he showed remorse and apologized to the namekians for what he did years ago.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't watched or read anything regarding DBS
@@unknownredacted3513 true
I grew up on the first 3 seasons of Digimon (even if I wasn't even born for the 3rd season) and honestly.... Seasons 2 and 3 are my favorites, I love the wacky slice of life you get from both of them and I feel the characters develop a lot during both seasons. To this day my two favorite Digimon are Guilmon and Patamon, and by extension Galantmon and Angemon. I'm with most people on the Impmon redemption in thinking it was earned and he may not be my favorite Digimon but, he is one of my favorite characters in the series because of how much he grows. Beelzemon is definitely top 10 Digimon for me and I just wish these franchise would give us video games where we can play through these stories as we want. Give us the Pokemon Ash Grey treatment where we can choose to follow the story to a T or diverge enough to feel we impact something but overall have things play out the same in the end.
0:26 where’s that music from? It sounds so familiar
I love Digimon Tamers. You are making me want to go and rewatch it now.
I love this arc so much! Beelzemon is still my favorite character of all time because of everything he went through
Glad to see Impmon get some respect; and I absolutely agree his story-arc is a case of 'this is how you do redemption'. Digimon did right 20yrs ago a lot of series be it anime or from our neck of the world can't be bothered today. While the Digimon series has always had hit and miss writing, there's a reason I gravitated to it while Pokemon was just, there for me. The more mature story-telling; and yeah my age (early teen) may have had something to do with it some, overall I just found Digimon more enjoyable. I'm actually amazed the english localization of the first three Anime wasn't butchered to hell and back, and actually kept a lot of the grim material in even if they went around some stuff for censorship reasons. Digimon does what Pokemon can't. Now take my last bit with a grain of salt, I'm not hating on Pokemon, just citing why 'I' personally was not drawn to it as I was Digimon, and having a little bit of fun.
This is why I’ve always loved Digimon more than Pokémon. And agreed
I love how you warn us about the "boring recap for newcomers" then any% it so hard that noone who hasn't seen the show will know if you even spoke the same laguage as them.
Digimon Tamers in my opinion still is the best season of Digimon pretty much because of how good the writing actually was. It explored more darker themes too, including permadeath (which was a first), as well as consequences that can follow from that. Impmon's single act is what becomes the catalyst for so much chaos and destruction down the road. And yes your analysis of Impmon and Beelzemon and their whole character arc was dead on. Great analysis.
Impmon digivolving into Beelzimon at the end to fight, with the blessing of his partners, still gives me tingles. I splurged on a masterpiece figure of him in blast mode that came with a little Impmon as well. I think his arc holds up really well because at every stage, even if you don't condone it, you can understand what he's doing, and might even feel bad for him too. Tamers was a toyetic franchise entry from forever ago, but it's still so much better than so much shit we are still getting on tv and streaming that's taken seriously and given awards that they don't deserve. it's not a masterpiece or even particularly excellent, but it's so solidly and consistently competent that it puts a lot of stuff to shame.
I know what you mean
Impmon is definitely a character and is well written. Especially for the time he was written. I will always have a soft spot for that season and data squad.
Avatar and Tamers are blueprints on how to write great redemption arcs. Wish more shows actually followed their examples (MLP, Steven Universe, She-Ra, Owl House, etc.)
Agreed
I remember watching this way back when on FoX Kids. Impmon is one of my favorite characters from the Digimon series because of the redemption arc.
"No matter what I do I can't change the past. But what I can do is save Jeri!" "I'm gonna save you Jeri! If its! The. Last! Thing! I! Freaking! Do!" *"AAAAAAHHHHH!!! GIVE ME THE STRENGTH I NEED! FIST! OF! THE BEAST KING!!!"*
Well in reality, both Pokemon and Digimon are rips offs of Shin Megami Tensei.
There's a reason Impmon is my favorite Digimon and it's for everything you covered.
He didn’t cover Beelzemon using Leomon’s Fist of the Beast King
I really like this video, and Impmon, but I think there's a detail that was left out.
While Beelzemon was trying to do the right thing in the last arc, I think there was a bit of a selfish motivation. We see this after Jeri rejects him, and he is desperately pounding the shield, begging her to let him save her. "I need to save you." It's heartbreaking, but also shows us the flaw in Beelzemon. That he hasn't yet changed on a fundamental level.
Impmon hated himself for how easily he was kicked around, and tried to lord the little power he had over those who would let him get away with it in order to make himself feel better, and it didn't work. Beelzemon hated himself for killing Leomon, tried to use his genuine power to save his partner in order to make himself feel better, and it didn't work. In both cases, there's a focus on power, and its use.
The final moment that seals Impmon's redemption is not a moment of power. It is one of humility. It is not through a grand gesture that he redeems himself, but through a simple and earnest apology. Impmon took many great steps during the D-Reaper arc, and I don't wish to belittle that. I simply believe that the point of his story was that to truly redeem oneself, it's not merely the ends that need to change, but also the means.
Yeah, no.
He wasn't trying to save Jeri out of a sense of retaining power or control. A few episodes earlier, when he got Blast Mode, he outright said he would be fighting for what was right and with righteous purpose; not the selfish desire to get stronger.
He felt genuinely bad about killing Leomon and wanted to make amends to set the world right. He felt like he ruined her life and put her in that situation; which is partly true. He was always going to feel guilty but he didn't save her out of a misguide attempt to make himself feel better.
Love this kind of video keep up the good work
Well if youtube would actually promote this video, I'd be glad to make more.
10:25 it's kinda hard to take this line seriously when I know the next thing he does is yell out his attack named CORONA DESTROYER
Noooooo you missed the best part of his arc!!!! How could you forget to include him using Fist of the Beast King!!! That moment lives rent free in my head and still gives me chills to this day
You and me both, my friend.
I say that Beelzemon performing Leomon's move to save the girl is a cruel reminder of the actual death and how the guy had yet to accomplish anyting to redeem himself
Agreed
Some of your stuff/opinions I disagree with but it’s good to hear someone else acknowledge that this amazing series. And the redemption of Impmon/Beelzamon. 😭
Glad i am not the only one who always heard "Hey! Fuckface!" from Impmon back then.
I know it's Foxface, but... jeez. Can't tell me you don't hear it yourself.
Digimon always went a few steps further then other series, they did it with meramon season 1 then toned it back then at tamers onwards there was always this realistic weight to things if only in a meta sense, seriously digimon fusions was about THE HORRORS OF WAR. It's a pretty good series.
The Japanese version was better. I managed to find the fansub on JP bluray rips. Also, credit for that fan art goes to Karabiner.
Yes these are the reasons I like Impmon.
Didn’t Digimon come out before Pokémon? If so Pokémon is technically the rip off
Impmon and Renamon were the best couple goals.
👉😎👉
Abusive relationship
The dub is better done than the majority because the corporate overlords had pulled the plug on Fox Kids, so they realized they couldn't shut down the network twice, so they COULD be more faithful to the text!!!
Loved this redemption a HELL of a lot more than freakin Endeavor's in MHA. Hated him before his "redemption", hated him after his "redemption", and I still hate him now.
Very nice. How about Zuko next. Pretty up and down arc for that fire boi.
My own opinion: Digimon is better than Pokémon.....sue me😒
Fave tamer character getting they're recognition. Glad to see this imp get some love.
Cant wait to see digimon fans crawl out from the woodwork
A certain part of impmon's arc gave me nightmares. My god this is a mustwatch the best season and darkest season. Digimon and Pokemon were both great in there own respect ways
Digimon Anime is better Pokemon game is better.
Ye ye ye what about dealing with it.
I know you showed Vegeta when showing characters who become good guys just to save their skin but I think Vegeta has more than proven himself as deserving of redemption. He's helped Goku and the others save the world numerous times over the years and in the Dragon Ball Super manga a while back he talks about wanting to protect the remaining namekians on Planet Namek from the at the time current villain.
I may be a bit biased though since Vegeta is my favorite dbz character.
Hell yeah, Digimon Content
Impmon sounds like he is voiced by wheelie from transformers revenge of the fallen