This is the real MUSASHI Kenjutsu!

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  • @MasoTrumoi
    @MasoTrumoi Рік тому +85

    The Play of Two Swords by Manciolino (Bolognese Trafitions) is very similar.
    He recommends not moving your feet much at all, just keeping your line on the opponent, and to keep the swords apart, one in a high guard and one in low. He says that you should never use both swords for a task, always attack different areas or always defend with one and attack with other.
    The brain power to accurately involve both swords without resorting to simple patterns requires your focus almost entirely on your hands. This means that you'll be less mobile, but if done right you're basically always a threat to your opponent.
    A key difference between Musashi and Manciolino is that the latter didn't believe in crossing the swords for big parries. He would recommend passing footwork where you close in on your opponent while parrying with one sword instead. He did not like the idea of presenting both your wrists to an opponent who can have a freehand when you can't. Grappling is always a threat in dual wield because neither of your hands are free.

    • @t3rcx
      @t3rcx Рік тому +12

      Good take and analysis. This reminded me that there do exist a few "3 sword" techniques in certain arts, where the dual wielder will drop one weapon purposely (in specific situations, not randomly) in order to transition to a knife or dagger length third weapon suitable for the final maneuver at grapple range. I also like to draw a connection between dual wielding and piano playing (or drumming) because the skill to develop limb independence is similar.

    • @dirtpoorchris
      @dirtpoorchris Рік тому +10

      If you practice dexterity with both hands for very long periods of time eventually it will feel normal. Just like stance switching quickly to get different angles. In boxing my left hand is about 95% as good as my right hand because I trained it that way on purpose.

    • @sukotsutoCSSR
      @sukotsutoCSSR Рік тому +5

      When it comes to grappling, I argue that it's even harder to grab and wrestle with someone who uses a blade on each hand. If they grab them, they run twice as much risk of falling right into a blade or being in range to get drawn cuts everywhere.
      Range is the best way to deal against a dual weapon wielder, since their general stance is meant to be a little more squared to take full advantage of both arms - which will telegraph attempts at extending past the effective range.

  • @catsplay1658
    @catsplay1658 Рік тому +47

    It is one of the very few videos on YT about kenjutsu where I can see some very efficient looking techniques without all those unnecessary additional movements and wide swings. Awesome! Hope we will see more here from Chung!

  • @Karubitea
    @Karubitea Рік тому +37

    Some naysayers would say the kata demonstration isn't good enough to prove it works, but I do wonder even with more force or multiple strikes, how would someone get a blow in without getting stabbed or slashed first. It looks simple but it's so direct.

    • @Burboss
      @Burboss Рік тому

      this is misleading simplicity )

    • @SirConto
      @SirConto Рік тому +8

      My sense based on my (mostly kendo, I'm a first dan) experience on at least the theory of how to fight someone like this. I hope my explanation makes sense, since it's quite hard to put into words and there's a lot of nuance to this. Here goes:
      So to initiate an attack and get past that defense, there are basically two types of options:
      1. direct attacks - so striking at his hands or extending myself a bit to try and reach at the head, maybe thrusting at he neck. He has counters to all of these of course, that's basically what he's demonstrating in the video.
      But if you drilled the basics, your attack can be pretty fast. I know I can get most of mine to around 0.25-0.3 seconds. If you look at the top athletes, they can get theirs under 0.2 seconds. If he can read your intentions, or if you're just too slow he can counter. But if the attack manages to surprise him, he may well be too slow.
      2. feint + attack - so indicating you'll attack one of the targets from the previous point, or even noncommittally striking it, but then as he counters, changing the direction or following up the first strike with another to attack an opening created by his counter.
      Imagine if for example at 1:48 the strike to the head was just a feint, and as the nito guy raised his arms the strike would be redirected to his wrist.
      Before someone does actually commit to an attack, there's usually some probing. Opponents standing just out of that range where they could instantly attack the other, sometimes noncommittally moving into closer range to test the others reactions, and so on. Here, you'd try to use that to figure out what option to go with. If you find out he's very responsive, the second's likely to work. If he's not responsive enough, then the first could have a chance. There's also the element of "programming your opponent" here, which basically means trying to fool him about what your intentions and/or reactions are. To do thinks like trick him about your rhytm or convince him you'll keep trying feints, etc.
      Also, keep in mind that he too has ways of initiating attacks, and you too have options to counter. So everything I just described earlier simultaneously kinda goes the other way around too. So quite a lot of stuff going on at the same time.

  • @stevenoconnor3256
    @stevenoconnor3256 Рік тому +10

    This is probably the best two-sword Katana demonstration I've seen. We'd use wooden bokken in our sparring and block/perry and thrust tended to work. I remember sparring with a guy who took Kendo and I immediately won when I used two swords this way. I used deflectional perrys a lot and I didn't find two-handed sword swings to be much of a problem.

  • @quintessenceSL
    @quintessenceSL Рік тому +10

    Very elegant counters to where I would be dumbfounded how to land a strike.

  • @EzioZ
    @EzioZ Рік тому +7

    Reminds me alot of wing chun principles of attack and defend at same time feeling the flow

    • @Saha_Kshatriya
      @Saha_Kshatriya Рік тому

      Вин чун на этом и основан )))

  • @robbabcock_
    @robbabcock_ Рік тому +5

    It's wonderful to watch a true master at work!⚔🔥🙌

  • @henrikaugustsson4041
    @henrikaugustsson4041 Рік тому +2

    That guy is so scary! His movements are so deliberate. It's inspiring to watch him!

  • @TheJohtunnBandit
    @TheJohtunnBandit Рік тому +8

    It seemed like he hardly moved when countering, very cool!

  • @flyfin108
    @flyfin108 Рік тому +2

    amazing to see Niten Ichi Ruy principles, thank you for the interview

  • @brissanEXE
    @brissanEXE Рік тому +29

    It would be interesting to hear more in-depth about what makes this style different and what the positives and negatives are

    • @HideAndRead
      @HideAndRead Рік тому +4

      .... Go rin no Sho. The book of five rings. Very in depth

    • @kettwood7248
      @kettwood7248 Рік тому +2

      Once saw documentary that Musahi is envy to mounted warriors, so more to ascending blows (percfectly cavalry and also perfectly italian) which is not quite common in Japan at the day. Second sword he mostly used as a perfect bind-and-grappling-recolver in close range but in later times he started use it more as parrying dagger. also said that he was about 1.90m height and usual japanese swordsmanship of his time not work well for him.
      in his book he is more of tactic then technic and also somewhat tends to cruetly mock with some sowardly-smart-ass enemies, sometimes killing them with a clublike boken instead of sword

    • @houseofkungfu2543
      @houseofkungfu2543 Рік тому

      You probably I don't have to PAY for that in a class. Try finding a teacher

    • @anghusmorgenholz1060
      @anghusmorgenholz1060 Рік тому

      ​@@HideAndReadI've been studying that book since childhood. Even last year I have learned from it. The leaf let me know. Calm and empty your mind so the Tengu cannot read it anymore and when you have calmed and emptied your mind the leaf tells you he is not reading your mind he is reading your body. See him watch the leaf without seeming to just as you are watching him without seeming to. Then you know that his first move will not be to hopefully read your attack fast enough to counter it instead he just engages his defense then attack. So you mirror him. I am currently working at a HEMA based on Norse warriors. They didn't write it down. They taught it, then you practiced it the way you would use it. Something about training as if you are actually fighting for your life appeals to me. To practice in a lesser way will lead to you fighting in a lesser way. The origin of the word crafty originates from this. It means that you can fight with either hand or both hands or switch hands in battle. Or my favorite you fight with a sword and a shield gripped in the center let your opponent make up their mind as to your handedness then stack your hands behind the shield and right before you engage switch them. Your left held sword is now your shield and your right held shield is now your sword. You advance to point of contact and strike fast while you utilize the best defensive maneuver simultaneously as you strike.

  • @KaijuBiologist
    @KaijuBiologist 2 місяці тому

    Love your channel. Always learning something new in an entertaining way.

  • @Deathbystrudel
    @Deathbystrudel Рік тому +5

    Next I want to see Musashi Kenjutsu vs. Eskrima. Or at least a comparison

    • @ceej2739
      @ceej2739 Рік тому +1

      Was thinking this myself!

    • @JonDodd-ds9vx
      @JonDodd-ds9vx Рік тому +2

      I can only practice eskrima, no where to learn anything else, but I use 2 katanas.

  • @Darren_Tay
    @Darren_Tay Рік тому +20

    Historically, Musashi used one sword to fight his duels. He promoted the two sword style in his later years and it was probably his take on his grandfather's school of Enmei Ryu. Furthermore, this is a kata demonstration, not free sparring. It's not rocket science, but apparently some people in the comment sections can't seem to understand that. 🤦‍♂

  • @dirtpoorchris
    @dirtpoorchris Рік тому +1

    1:20 "The Monkey's Tree Branch Suddenly Breaks With Viper Above"

  • @SilverforceX
    @SilverforceX Рік тому +2

    That's so unfair, two swords have huge advantage! Musashi knew!

  • @tristanthompson1980
    @tristanthompson1980 Рік тому +1

    You guys make great content I wish I could spare with you at some point

  • @MarshOakDojoTimPruitt
    @MarshOakDojoTimPruitt Рік тому +1

    thanks

  • @AWACS_Eagle_Eye
    @AWACS_Eagle_Eye Місяць тому

    2:08 this the type of stuff you see anime characters do.

  • @dirtpoorchris
    @dirtpoorchris Рік тому +1

    Some can argue that a real good Parry Knife with sword catcher is BETTER than a sword. Now if you mix it together and use both sword + parry knife.....
    Even the Chinese have double butterfly knife which enabled some females to kill warriors that had long sword.

  • @zatrusofnietzche2281
    @zatrusofnietzche2281 Рік тому

    Anyone else use "eagle wings 🦅" but vertical to attack ? Stepping forward with each slice

  • @kdefensemartialarts8097
    @kdefensemartialarts8097 Рік тому +1

    Cool

  • @-RONNIE
    @-RONNIE Рік тому +1

    Thank you all for the video 👊🏻

  • @TenchiBushi
    @TenchiBushi Рік тому +1

    Once again awesome work! This is one of my favorite subjects. Greetings from Northern Japan!

  • @stevesalinas185
    @stevesalinas185 Рік тому +2

    Odachi please

  • @palmitodebanana
    @palmitodebanana Рік тому +1

    do it with the nine section whip/chain whip / jiu jie bien or meteor hammer/dart rope.

  • @robertscicluna4384
    @robertscicluna4384 Рік тому +4

    I see that you have used the footage of Kajiya Takanori Soke of the main branch Santo-ha Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu; which is different to Musashi-Kai's kata and traditions. I wonder if there is footage of Araseki Tomisaburo which would be more appropriate to the video's context.

    • @Ianmar1
      @Ianmar1 Рік тому +1

      Agreed, however this is a kendo channel, we typically don't understand koryu politics.

  • @jesse7912
    @jesse7912 Рік тому

    That was awesome. Would be great to see him in free sparing to see if it can be beat

  • @nicktheeskrimador1486
    @nicktheeskrimador1486 Рік тому +1

    How do you decide who you spar with? I'd love to spar in one of your videos one day.

  • @rodjjt7742
    @rodjjt7742 Рік тому +1

    Dual swords op bro

  • @rogerfulgham3941
    @rogerfulgham3941 Рік тому

    Amazing 👍👍💪💪👊👊🥋🥋⚔️⚔️

  • @Cano644
    @Cano644 Рік тому

    Very good

  • @rainyfriday6175
    @rainyfriday6175 Рік тому

    I would like to think the ability to trap an opponents weapon or to perform simultaneous parries and attacks would far outweigh the power difference of one hand vs two hand.

  • @Corellon666
    @Corellon666 Рік тому +9

    Nice in theory, but only practic Sparring will show if it works against some one who does not only do one simple attack...

    • @atomicdestroyer8068
      @atomicdestroyer8068 Рік тому +4

      Well to be fair this isn’t unrealistic or unreasonable compared to other “kata” I’ve seen. It looks like a decent basis where you can branch off of. (I’ve practiced a bit of kenjutsu and am currently practicing Fiore long sword and Spanish rapier)

    • @DarkwarriorJ
      @DarkwarriorJ Рік тому +1

      Everything can be composed out of these one-move sequences + some insight that lets them flow between them (my own fatal flaw before; couldn't see how).

  • @fourshore502
    @fourshore502 Рік тому

    one thing that occurs to me is that a lot of these strikes wont work if your enemy is wearing armour...

    • @nitokensi
      @nitokensi Рік тому

      That is not for Armour fighting style swordsmanship.

  • @bastianboes9728
    @bastianboes9728 Рік тому

    Hey there, got a question. Could u say me where to get these swords u r fighting with ( Steel ones) ??

  • @snak-s7952
    @snak-s7952 Рік тому +1

    🙏

  • @JustGameplay112
    @JustGameplay112 Рік тому

    Where can i find the sparring video in the first 20 seconds?

  • @hahahuhu9828
    @hahahuhu9828 Рік тому

    it is fine to be monotonous.
    it is not stupid if it works

  • @corporaterobotslave400
    @corporaterobotslave400 Рік тому +1

    I'm trying to learn this technique, except instead of a katana and wakizashi, I use a shorter pair: a wakizashi and a tanto. Katanas are too heavy and long for 1 handed operation ime. My study is for very close quarters fighting - you have to close in on your opponent.

    • @JonDodd-ds9vx
      @JonDodd-ds9vx Рік тому +1

      I'm using 2 katanas

    • @jaketheasianguy3307
      @jaketheasianguy3307 Рік тому +1

      Musashi said using katana with 1 hand would feel heavy and unwieldy for a moment, but later on you can swing it freely just like when you use a short sword. Combined with his fighting method, no range would give you disadvantage. He's also dislike schools that has mindset like you ( focus on using extra long swords for extra advantage or focus on only short swords to close range fighting ), as he said with his Way of fighting, there's no need to waste time to study such unnecessary methods as his style can adapt to any range

    • @JonDodd-ds9vx
      @JonDodd-ds9vx Рік тому

      @jaketheasianguy3307 on page 1 of the 1 ring of his book of 5 rings he says practice with 2 katanas

    • @jaketheasianguy3307
      @jaketheasianguy3307 Рік тому +1

      ​@@JonDodd-ds9vx"practice" is different from "fighting with"

  • @Ianmar1
    @Ianmar1 Рік тому +1

    Wow!
    I wish that the Musashi-kai had people like Jeong Tae Sun sensei in Europe.😁

    • @BlueyFromMelbShuffle
      @BlueyFromMelbShuffle Рік тому +3

      But we do… I mean, I was there in Tokyo receiving my 4th dan in Musashi Kai when Chung-sensei received his 7th dan. We also have a 5th dan in France (Goullon-sensei).
      Not to mention, Chung-sensei visited Europe just a few months ago.

    • @Ianmar1
      @Ianmar1 Рік тому

      Where can I learn more?

    • @koreanitokensi
      @koreanitokensi Рік тому +1

      ​​@@Ianmar1sometimes round in europe for kendo travel. maybe will can go your country)))

    • @Ianmar1
      @Ianmar1 Рік тому

      @@koreanitokensi Are you ever in or near the Netherlands? Do you give kendo seminars?

    • @koreanitokensi
      @koreanitokensi Рік тому +1

      ​@@Ianmar1of course I can do give seminar for anywhere nito players.

  • @AJDraws
    @AJDraws Рік тому +1

    If this is Miyamoto's style it just seems a bit strange how there isn't much mobility or strong stances. Wouldn't you be a much easier target by remaining so static?
    Sorry, I am not knocking the style. I'm just curious.

    • @SilverforceX
      @SilverforceX Рік тому +1

      Musashi killed his opponent in one swift move. It's lethal when you get stabbed or sliced without armor, especially if its to the head or neck. Basically, sword duels in real life are not like in movies in hollywood. It's over in a flash.

    • @jaketheasianguy3307
      @jaketheasianguy3307 Рік тому +2

      Musashi recommend footwork that look just like how you walk in daily life. He dislike when people floating or jumping dashing around since that can only work on some specific terrains. He believe you should fight in ways that's suitable to all type of terrains

  • @Burboss
    @Burboss Рік тому +2

    I still will take a shield + sword rather than 2 swords. But I am European )

    • @DarkwarriorJ
      @DarkwarriorJ Рік тому +1

      Europeans with Rapier and Dagger be like: "I exist too! I'm not even that different in stabby stab!"

    • @Burboss
      @Burboss Рік тому

      @@DarkwarriorJ that's a dueling setup primarily

    • @SirConto
      @SirConto Рік тому +1

      Samurai of the edo period didn't really get the option, they were just legally forced to carry the two swords on them all the time as a symbol of their rank.

    • @Burboss
      @Burboss Рік тому

      @@SirConto Europeans also did not carry a full armour and shield while off-duty. Which did preclude to use both on a battlefield.

    • @SirConto
      @SirConto Рік тому

      @@Burboss I did sort of assume we were talking about this kind of civilian setting, without battlefield equipment.
      And that said, in Europe, the small type of shield called a buckler was quite commonly carried alongside the sword by civilians.

  • @Hellboy_gamer666
    @Hellboy_gamer666 Рік тому

    🚬🧐☕

  • @swedbp1
    @swedbp1 Рік тому +1

    These are very realistic, efficient techniques, but they do not take into account that if you are facing off with an opponent, and you both have swords then you are both likely prepared for this battle. This means there will also be armor.
    Those one handed strikes to the arms and body would be cutting against armor and may not penetrate or cripple.
    The stabbing techniques (aimed at spaces in the armor) would be essential.

    • @The_true_Joe_mama
      @The_true_Joe_mama Рік тому

      musashi usually fought in unarmored duels... those are a thing. In warfare you would use polearms, but in a city?

  • @bepoqed
    @bepoqed Рік тому

    Katana

  • @lucaslimal3
    @lucaslimal3 Рік тому

    Musashi himself wrote that he did not find the usage of two swords good for duels.

    • @nitokensi
      @nitokensi Рік тому +7

      There is no record of him saying that. That is a lie made up by other in later times.

    • @lucaslimal3
      @lucaslimal3 Рік тому +1

      @@nitokensi I had to get back to the books to see that indeed I was wrong.
      Musashi wrote in Gorin no Sho that twoswords are better for fighting a crowd people and that you should wield a sword with both hands if the enemy is hard to cut down, but did not stated that one should not duel wield for dueling.
      It is the Eiji Yoshikawa romance that written that, not Musashi.

  • @samuraisoul151
    @samuraisoul151 Рік тому

    ...and I will wait to see how Seki Sensei reacting to this...

  • @PaulRodrichSancti
    @PaulRodrichSancti 6 місяців тому

    Skill issue

  • @chrishart5265
    @chrishart5265 Рік тому

    I mean this is nice and all but it's worth remembering this is theory and practise, not a sparring session.
    It's a lot harder to put into practise when you dont know when or how your opponent is going to move.
    I'm not saying its impossible to do this, but I'd take everything he's saying here with a grain of salt until you see it in a real match.

    • @SilverforceX
      @SilverforceX Рік тому +1

      This is stupid, nobody is going to do a real match with real swords, they'd die in an instant.

    • @jaketheasianguy3307
      @jaketheasianguy3307 Рік тому

      @@SilverforceX These are blunts, and these folks have spar with the swords they are using in the videos before

    • @jaketheasianguy3307
      @jaketheasianguy3307 Рік тому +1

      These principles are used in other styles as well like the Italian Bolognese sword and dagger. Just look for competition or sparring footages if you need proof that they worked

  • @IzanaG1z
    @IzanaG1z Рік тому +2

    A Korean claims to be from the legitimate school of Miyamoto Musashi and knows the true techniques, however he is another Korean student of a style with a generic name and a Dan system?!
    That doesn't seem very Koryu Bujutsu to me.

    • @Ianmar1
      @Ianmar1 Рік тому +2

      I'm pretty sure that Musashi kai is the kendo club of Noda-ha Niten Ichi Ryu. They are distinct from the main line Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu. Plenty of koryu have moved onto the dan system.

    • @BlueyFromMelbShuffle
      @BlueyFromMelbShuffle Рік тому +3

      I recommend you look into Niten Ichi-ryu Musashi Kai's history if you feel that way.

    • @IzanaG1z
      @IzanaG1z Рік тому

      @@Ianmar1 The hyohos are also suspect

    • @TheWasteOfTime
      @TheWasteOfTime Рік тому

      ​@@IzanaG1zhow so?

    • @manuelm.99
      @manuelm.99 10 місяців тому

      chung sensei is actually a high grade member of the japanese organisation niten ichi ryu musashikai. which indeed goes back to musashi himself. so if it seems to you like that, maybe you should study the subject a little more before commenting.

  • @camilotorrespastor
    @camilotorrespastor Рік тому

    Eso es KUMDO coreano, nada que ver con Musashi ni con kenjutsu amigo.

    • @Ianmar1
      @Ianmar1 Рік тому

      The guy in white is a licenced instructor of Noda-ha Niten Ichi-ryu.

    • @manuelm.99
      @manuelm.99 10 місяців тому

      no amigo. this is a member of niten ichi ryu musashikai, a organisation that indeed goes back to musashi himself as it is a nito kendo style rooted in nodaha niten ichi ryu kenjutsu.

  • @jisoenman
    @jisoenman Рік тому +2

    Total BS from people that know zero about niten ichiryu! HEY you just copied part of a real video of my ryu!!! It has a copyright!

    • @manuelm.99
      @manuelm.99 10 місяців тому

      no bullshit at all. please look up niten ichi ryu musashikai.

  • @Kurichan42069
    @Kurichan42069 Рік тому +1

    This might be the worlds worst interpretation of the nito seiho (if thats what they're going for) if its taking nito kendo and trying to pass it off as being niten ichi ryu (which is what it is) its exceptionally bad at that as well this is just front to back not good

  • @mromero120
    @mromero120 Рік тому

    I call bullshido. Of course he is going to score a hit when the attacker is just doing one strike then pausing…

    • @Ianmar1
      @Ianmar1 Рік тому

      This was for demonstration purposes. You can watch him absolutely stomp Hogu Yeom in kendo here:
      ua-cam.com/video/doskmTkpodw/v-deo.htmlsi=P9UTRguDt2pTVM1M
      it's not the same as a real fight, but this man clearly understands distance and initiative.

  • @I_Magni_I
    @I_Magni_I Рік тому

    What a joke