Imagine having the ENTIRE League of Legends roster inside of a Smash Bros styled game? Now im saddened that it’s cancelled as the possibilities and combinations would be near infinite. Would it be hell to balance? Absolutely. Oh well, maybe in another universe.
Smash bros aint balanced lol(Steve banned for being overpowered, Gannon is so bad that pro's play him) but still even though it would have been epic to have it
@@ztriker4406Also each smash Bros games has it's own banned character at pro-play (Meta Knight for brawl). But then again, a party brawler isn't meant to be balanced, as it's balanced on gentlemen's rules, and whoever picks the most annoying/Overpower character, is balanced by every other player targeting them until they're eliminated.
@@kiritotheabridgedgod4178 Steve was mainly banned in *some* regionals due to an exploit found, but he is still allowed at big ones Bayo in Smash 4 was banned in *some* regionals before her nerfs Meta Knight in Brawl was only banned in *some* tournaments, the big names still allowed it with a rule against the infinite cape In Melee the closest ban is probably the no wobbling rule for Ice Climbers Smash 64 debated a bit on bans for Kirby and Pikachu but it never went anywhere
i think you don't know how much they already spent on the MMO dear boy. they legit started from the beginning to take another direction a while ago. they will NOT be able to cancel it.
If a whole-ass finished game or show can be cancelled for whatever reason I don't think a game that we haven't seen yet is an exception no matter how much shxt they wasted on it.
@@apollojustice3431 ghostcrawler did say that they wouldnt let him release the game if the game wasn't going to be genre defining and something that would represent Riot's quality. Yes, he's gone, but I'm pretty damn sure it wasn't ghostcrawler who made that decision and that is still in place, they knew very well how volatile that market is and if they can't make what they see as the next wow killer then I'm pretty sure its up for grabs as a cancellation.
@@whiskoo9941 The biggest problem when it comes to MMO games though is when a game is hyped up as or is intended to be a "wow killer". Bliz have dropped the ball multiple times with WoW (or so I've heard) yet the game still sits at the top.
no, it clearly wouldn't. If they are so bad at balancing their current games, i don't want to know how unbalanced this one will become. Smash bros will always stay peak!
I'm so sad they got rid of it! The only fighting game I play is Smash. I've never fucked with Tekken, Street Fighter, Dead or Alive, etc. Those feel alot more restrictive to me and heavy, whereas Smash is more free and floaty, and I MUCH prefer that!
I had a dream of a Runeterra soulslike and I was so sad when I woke up. I was playing as TF rolling through barrels fighting a boss and it was so much fun 😭
Riot couldn't find an efficient way to monetize, unfortunately. Hopefully they'll find a way to regain interest, I agree I miss LoR but it just isn't the same these days.
@@mycapslockisbrokennvmifixe7518 it wasn't that popular in the first place. The problem with that game monetization is that it require a massive amounts of players to be profitable. However the genre and hardcore gameplay make it so that will never happened
Multiversus isn't attracting because it's mostly TV shows characters and not video games characters. Video games have their own meta of popularity, otherwise games like Mad Max and Avatar would top the charts - as they released alongside popular movies. Star Wars is one of the only exception and that's because they've been making niche games for a looooong time and there's a desire to explore more of this universe. Dragon ball another because people want more fights. That's about it. For the scope of brawlhalla, it's doing REALLY well
And even then, it's not like it didn't attract, it's launch showed a massive amount of players, it's just that they left due to the devs not fixing the game, and after a year of hiatus they release the game in an even worse state People clearly wanted the game to succeed, the devs just mishandled it.
@@valor2284 yeah, everything feels so laggy, like i needs to be 30% faster. The characters not being the problem is proven by the fact SO MANY PEOPLE signed in to play day on and it exploded, that everyone almost immediately left was issue with the game
@@aetriandimitri190 Yeah it has nothing to really do with the characters as most people like playing with familiar Warner Bros. IP, but it instead has to do with the game’s horrible net code, the slower pace in the full launch of the game, and the monetization issue it has. The game’s net code has honestly been really bad with the beta launch and the full release so that’s probably one of the biggest issues with the game but the game also got slower with the full release which people didn’t enjoy as they thought the fast paced nature suited the game more. Lastly they literally added a new currency for their PvE mode and they increased the prices for characters making playing the game less rewarding and spending money to buy characters and remove restrictions more rewarding. All in all the game literally sold its soul after getting the second chance it needed.
@@lightlingzooma-69 like the monetization is ridiculous and they removed QoL just to be more scummy like losing training to try out characters so you have to grind more than a week to get one character just to maybe not even like them, which just pushes you to pay. Me and my brother and all my other friends that play smash bros were extremely excited and played during the beta. We felt it had issues at launch but expected fixes and they just didn't come so we lost interest. But were hopeful for full release. Then the full game came out and not one person even tried it after seeing the changes they made The blame is solely on the devs and their lazy ness and greed, not the characters or genre
I doubt Riot would give up that easily on "Pool Party". I'm confident that Riot would revisit the idea in the future once they figure out how to make their own spin to the game and not just "Smash Bros but League". Riot is definitely aware of the state of the platform fighting genre. I don't think Riot would even green lit the project if there's little to no chance the game would turn a profit.
I think this video was very matted with "context". Having the context of nintendos SMASH is a important detail when looking at this decision by Riot. I don't think there was any info in the video that didn't show us info on that side of the story. HE repeats a lot of info each video but you should always assume the viewr has only the least amount of knowledge when clicking the video.
Talking at a slower pace, reading every single word of an announcement/article instead of paraphrasing, talking to the audience like they're children and explaining the meaning even when it's in front of their face
A SuperSmash with LoL would be AWESOME! They already have all thier moves and Skins for multiple characters on screen at once. And with ARCANE season 2 coming out this year, it would be an EASY slamdunk!
I would've love to play Riot's version of Smash with League champs. I mean I could'nt afford to buy a console to play Smash but Riot would've provided us that chance to try if they continued on. Sad it got shutdown though.
@@captaineflowchapka5535 melee is not free and pirating is pirating, you arent cool for trying to call a duck a dog. Melee is also mainly not played on PC. Unless, ofcourse, you download an emulator and pirate it. Everyone knows what to do. Dont spin it as something it isnt.
@@dogsbecute most people do play on pc. I have a physical copy but a lot people just like the better graphics and not using a crt when it’s set up. It’s hard to explain but the game feels smoother on pc than on a regular tv with a GameCube.
@@dogsbecute taht is precisly the point of me adding cought cought , that the joke it is pirating a game taht isn't sold anymore ,whom main way of palying are hard and become more and more unacessible . and for beginner slippi HIS the main way to play .
Guys we cant let that slide we need to advocate for the game and do something like a petition to show them that people want a good pc super smash and also really want their champs in such a game the potential is infinite for a competitive super smash for pc cause there is literally none
I mean, a league smash bros could've been cool but i really think working on two fighting games at once must be a good sign to know you are probably going too far
trueeee one more game is definitely too much for them to handle - they should stick to the small amount of 6 games they are simultaneously working on / balancing
Riot RTS with champions (like wc3) with Demacia, Noxus and Void (for start) would revive that genre, and expansions adding shadow isles, shurima, etc, that would go crazy in that genre.
Smash bros may have had a good sale but that didn't really guarantee Riot would too a part of the reason (if not the major one) why smash does succeed in this genre while any other company doesn't (despite everything) is because Smash already has decades of history in this genre with a fanbase of players who have been playing and enjoying the title over those decades and it's generally a little hard to kill a large community who has been existing for decades even if the genre is falling apart On the contrary, others are seen as "smash bro copies" and don't attract as much the attention for they have to build up a community from the ground thus have to give a first impression... First impression in which they are given a ceiling of standard to meet expectation named Smash Bros. and if they don't surpass that ceiling, they fall apart.
I think Pool Party would've done better than the hopes for their fighting game. It's hard for even fighting game legends like King of Fighters or Soul Calibur to compete with Tekken and Street Fighter. Not to mention it's market is even more crowded than the party fighter genre.
Yeah I think it's a bad call, we are still getting new tekkens and mortal Kombat, meanwhile smash is currently waiting for the next console which could take a while. And the rest of the competition is very old so players would likely want something new I'd definitely take a platform fighter over 2hko since mk is still having dlc meanwhile smash hasn't been updated in a while
@gigabyte3420 same, but I can't help but feel like they made the wrong call here. I think it'll be very hard for Riot to breakthrough with their game, while Pool Party, if done well, could've been a great competitor with Smash.
@@christianprevost8455 yes we are, it would be idiotic not to, plus they've already mentioned that the next smash won't have everyone again. Can't have a next smash that won't have everyone if there is no new smash
Unfortunately if it was going toward a more casual route, it was probably a good decision to cancel it. It's not going to be able to compete with Smash for that audience. Should have just went forward with the original competitive vision or focused on 2XKO from the start instead of trying to make two fighting games at once (even though platform fighters aren't really a traditional fighting game).
@@letyrox2709 ironically enough, they are alot of rumors about them working on an RTS, and these rumors tend to be true over time, since valorant and their mmo was rumored first too
Ive been a league and melee player for years and im super bummed to hear this. Honestly the depth of movement and the feel of melee hasnt been replicated by any modern game and while i have doubts that riot would be able to make it as good as melee, i would have loved to see them try. It sucks because the modern platform fighters made based off melee(multiverses, all star brawl, ultimate, etc.) Seem to struggle to make a good feeling learning curve. The more time and practice you put into melee, the better it feels, and that feeling never goes away. I feel like the issue with those newer games is they make the learning curve and movement more or less accessible from day 1 so after a few months of playing you basically have all the tech down and its just a matter of ironing it out. Melee isnt perfect and theres things that i feel make it feel harder than nessecary like l cancelling, but its that challenge and always feeling like im getting better and the game feels better is just so good in melee. Its one of the most rewarding learning curves ive ever had in a video game or out of it
If you were looking for soemthing closer to melee, I'd recomend Rivals of Aether, they have a 2nd one coming out soon. plays a lot closer to Melee and Project M than the more casual ones like multiverses or brawlhalla or those sorta ones
@@ThineDude Nah I don't like how Rivals plays, I don't like how there's no shield and in general edgeguarding is nerfed. The only game that feels like melee is Project M/Project+
I think having a smash game come out alongside 2XKO would spread the players who like fighting games. I think killing Pool Party was a good idea to focus more on 2XKO
Heya! i actually play tested this game here on the Philippines, it was super fun and almost ready for release sad to see it never get out but i was soo lucky i got to test it!
it had chibi-like characters, different maps around runeterra and also fun bg music, i had the chance to test it out using a provided mobile phone. i remember loving how op blitz was as well as tristana, and the volleyball mode as so fun
I believe with the development of Arena there could a direction to go into "casual competitive". Someway to make it somewhat party mode, but with competitive options.
Honestly though, Riot could've broken the ice with this platform fighter. Reason Multiversus and others failed, was because they also setup to be a quick buck gambit. I mean look at how deep Multiversus went... not really at all. At times it was janky and felt unfinished. Plus the Beta was out for so long, that hype died before the game released. With as much polish and marketing Riot can do for their own titles, their new game honestly would survive with no issues (id just suggest porting it to steam too, so the potential audience can be larger).
The issue with Multiversus is that they tried to combine characters from TV shows and movies into a game. To be a fan, you need to have watched those TV shows and enjoy the style of the game. Smash Bros on the other hand is characters from only video games battling in another video game. Chances are if you are playing this video game, you've played other video games before, so a character you've seen before is most likely in Smash Bros. I just don't understand what audience Multiversus was trying to catch with this game tbh
brawlhalla is actually very widely successful, having some of the biggest prize pools in all of fighting game history and a thriving esports scene to this day. i’m surprised he didn’t mention that at all
I think why multi versus isn’t so popular is the weird 3d the way financial side is managed and most of all they balanced the game into a 2vs 2 when the smash audience whant proper 1 vs 1 fun mechanics
THERE WAS A WHAT?! MAN SHIT... I WOULDA ACTUALLY PLAYED THT. See like, Vel'koz knocking up people into a void beam?! 6:43 Necrit... WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?!
Nintendo games have a way of being casual friendly, yet mechanically deep. Smash Ultimate is crazy when you really deep dive into what a character can do, and Splatoon 3 has been pushed quite far as well. Rivals of Aether is just melee mechanics and the characters are kind of hard to play, where as in Smash Ultimate, anyone can play Ike, Samus, Kirby, Ganon, and many more, it's simple but very hard to master.
I genuinely expected Mii costumes from League at some point, Lee sin, and Yasuo as Mii Brawler and Mii Swordmaster, and then 1 of Senna, Lucian, Jinx, Caitlyn, Tristana or whatever as Mii Gunner.
Smash Bros. Ultimate had probably the most hype I've ever seen related to a fighting game when it was announced. I don't know if anything could realistically compete with it tbh, but I'm open to be proven wrong.
I never considered how a lot of people bought smash for reasons outside competitive play - and I was one of those people actually. Friendly competition and the various single player modes in addition to the character roster. Other platform fighters don’t really compare, and if they’re free to play they are heavily focusing on the competitive aspect of it. Nintendo meanwhile makes a sale whenever and the numbers don’t necessarily reflect anything other than that.
An MMO and a fighting game are both hard genres to compete with in this current year. They should jump in the solo RPG genre like Genshin Impact in my opinion.
With Riot Forge, I only wanted either a Smash Bros. Game or Mario Kart themed around Bandle City. That's all I wanted... Though a Survival Horror game of running away from Warwick, Nocturne, Fiddlesticks, Evelynn, etc. wouldn't have been bad either. But thankfully this means they can't mess things up like adding a bunch of characters from only one section of the roster ( *Cough* *Cough* Fire Emblem)
i think at the first they really confident about league universe can be selling good, but so many project not really have a good sign and their economy its not stable, so they play safe now not to be aggresive anymore. and i think they will do this smashbros genre as a last bullet to make player stay playing, like tft in League, POC in LOR, or they just do basic game as foundation and other genre can be added anytime they want
i wouldn't say that fighting games are notorious for not evolving, anime fighters are constantly pushing the boundries for "what can we put in a fighting game", street fighter tries something completely new every main entry, and even if we ignore those points, Project L hasn't done anything mechanically new
Smash Bros. format was a far better fit to the franchise than what Project L is doing. The current style cripples most of the characters in order to fit a certain "balance". I still think that Project L will be very successful in the FGC but it looks like it's going to be too competitive for casual audiences and it will be much smaller than what a League of Smash Bros. could have been. Necrit is also very wrong about Smash genre not being successful. Multiversus was extremely successful just that it released as a beta with microtransactions and the devs did not updated it enough, too slow development. Rivals of Aether still very popular and it's getting a 2nd game... and Brawhalla was the most successful and stable fighting game... until Street Fighter 6 dethroned it JUST RECENTLY and because Street Fighter aims more to the casual audience now. The only truly sad game was PS All-Stars which wasn't even bad, just a mildly bad roster and PS players don't seem to like that type of games a lot.
Creating a fighting game can be summed up in one sentence : It's a coin tous, either you create the game of the decade OR you flop harder than multiversus
The thing is fighting games are almost repeating franchises and nothing more,im not saying there are no new figthing games,but its almost always going to be Sf,tekken,mk,mvc and even Guilty gear ,those are the main ones even tho i love when a figthing game with new mechanics comes out
@@KaliTheThunder True, even tho their are two styles of fighting games, couch/casual like Smash or tryhard only like Tekken or Street Fighter, in the end new fighting games don't stand a chance in either of those cathegories... And that, that's just sad...
brawl is hated for the tripping because you cant turn it off, but other then that smash can be as wacky as you want, making the casual/competitive distiction is kind of dumb here, they dont have to be mutually exclusive, smash is both casual and competitive depending on how you are playing, you just have to give the players the option to do whatever they want
I agree with Necrit- I think Riot made the right call in pulling the plug. I'm down for a Riot platform fighter, but I don't think there's a massive audience to draw from if you build the game from the ground up to be a hyper-competitive tryhard experience. I think the League community has shown it has an appetite for fun, casual game modes. So I think a platform fighter that's designed to be a casual party game from the get-go would make much more sense. Just make sure it has depth for those who wish to pursue it. The problem is building a title that can actually compete with the industry Gaint in Smash would likely take a highly specialized team and a ton of money. Maybe trying to compete simply isn't worth it. I do want to see a Riot-made party-style game one day though.
I feel like the project should've continued, they have everything to be able to succeed at it. First, Smash Bros fans are starving for a new experience and the competitive scene would do anything to be able to be supported by the company. Second, roster wise is the best thing ever and the setting in terms of both "for fun" and "competitive" modes could've been so easy to manage, just as in Smash and even League, you have the option to do draft or ranked or go to an ARAM if you feel like just having fun. Lastly, the monetization system would've been the same as in League, skins, entrances, loading screens, taunts or emotes, etc, we don't have that in Smash and it would've been just right for the genre. I think it was a missed opportunity.
Here's a thing, for the longest time Riot had a (in my opinion bad) habit of releasing announcments about their new games, VEEEEEEEERY early into the development, Im pretty sure we've been waiting about 5+ years for both 2XKO, and MMO. So that kind of feels weird to me that they have apparently worked on 2 games (very similar ones, presumably) and decided to not let out even a peep about the platform fighter.
also, the subgenre is called "platform fighter" not "party fighter" also also, i'm with tb skyen on this one, multiversus failed because it made dumb bad decisions that their playerbase didn't like, but that doesn't mean that pool party would necessarily fail. Heck pool party would make bank as long as they give enough time between the launch of Project L and pool party for both of them to breath.
such a shame, I am not a fan of traditional fightinga games, but Smash Bros. always held a special place in my heart and always provided me plenty of fun. but I suppose if Riot moved in this direction, it means that Street Fighter sells way more; nothing we can do about it...
THE sad thing is that a Platform league of legends game would have just been flat out better than X2KO... there's really no competitive Platform fighting game on the market where there's plenty of 2d fighting games saturating it. X2ko will never make a dent, it already can't even stand up.
I wonder if they'll ever work on an VR game? Experiencing runeterra in VR would be amazing. It's understandable that they won't be doing it; doesn't seem that profitable.
It would have clashed too much with 2XKO, especially when 2XKO will be called the "Riot/League Fighting Game" by the playerbase and it would take alot of attention and marketing power away. In addition to the risk with Party Fighters like SSB
2XKO has a new way to play fighting games (2v2, 1v2, ect) and fighting game legends working on it. I wish we could've seen how they shake up platform fighters cause ruined king and the valorant made some huge innovations in their respective genres.
@porygon-z8270 I'm not saying it's the first Capcom vs. Marvel did it as well. What they didn't do, however, was add tag-in moves. You could be mid-combo and swap in your bro who could continue the combo just by being tagged in. I should have made this more clear.
@@tahashina6557 The game itself is doing great and the competitive scene is such a small portion that it doesn't matter. Very few people actually watched brawlhalla esports
I was confused when I heard the news. I thought it was the game 2XKO that got cancelled. I never heard of pool party up until news of its cancellation came out.
Brawlhalla is still a good working game with a lot of players mostly playing it for fun but in the viral scene it's not the best because of smash bros, although because of its uniqueness and giving players the abilities to button smash and play with their friends it's still kicking
I feel that cancelling it is not a good idea right now because games like multiverse failed due to their own dumb problems they created, in the current time the party games are getting old and stale or just do things in a certain way that rub a lot of players of popular party games like Smash Ultimate in the wrong way, some things like locking characters, focusing on team fights, making the gameplay floaty and too gimmiky. The most popular subset of platform fighter is like Smash Brothers, what companies get wrong is why people love it so much, not just for characters which is a huge part, but just being fluid gameplay, that's it
$200 mythic variant and $500 ahri skin would save this game but because of boycotting so some of riot games decided to shutdown and sunsetting Rip LoR Riot Forge Riot MMO and this smash bro game Wildrift will it's on way to shutdown because this game is dead no wonder ml players call this game "deadgame" no eSports worst matchmaking almost 60% skin lock under a gacha system no marketing outside china etc.
I think the problem is that everyone misunderstands why Smash Bros actually is popular. In terms of representing its series, it takes great care in making each feel distinct in its own style, but also lessens detail or adds more where needed to bring cohesion to the cast. So many all star games have characters that are super jarring to be seen next to each other and Smash only feels awkward with a few. In terms of gameplay, it has a low skill floor which means everyone can learn it quickly and start playing with friends, but coupled with a high skill ceiling which gives people the room to grow and feel like they're mastering their character of choice. They also make sure characters movement feel smooth and responsive which is super important in a platform fighter. Couple these with multiple ways to play, whether you prefer casual party games (high rate of items, silly rulesets, and crazy stages) or more serious competition (no items, defined rules, and tame stages) then you have something to appeal to everyone. I'm a competitive player and enjoy 1v1, but we ALL started by playing with whatever took our fancy and enjoying the game with pokeballs on high on stages more likely to kill us than the opponent. You won't beat Smash Bros success without having all the fun things to get people on board, before you delight them with deeper gameplay.
Imagine having the ENTIRE League of Legends roster inside of a Smash Bros styled game? Now im saddened that it’s cancelled as the possibilities and combinations would be near infinite. Would it be hell to balance? Absolutely. Oh well, maybe in another universe.
They might done that because they realized that if the smash clone was published they would have to explain why garen spins a lot
@@kostakonomiI mean that’s already Incineroar B attack or even all of Sonic’s B damage attacks.
Smash bros aint balanced lol(Steve banned for being overpowered, Gannon is so bad that pro's play him) but still even though it would have been epic to have it
@@ztriker4406Also each smash Bros games has it's own banned character at pro-play (Meta Knight for brawl). But then again, a party brawler isn't meant to be balanced, as it's balanced on gentlemen's rules, and whoever picks the most annoying/Overpower character, is balanced by every other player targeting them until they're eliminated.
@@kiritotheabridgedgod4178
Steve was mainly banned in *some* regionals due to an exploit found, but he is still allowed at big ones
Bayo in Smash 4 was banned in *some* regionals before her nerfs
Meta Knight in Brawl was only banned in *some* tournaments, the big names still allowed it with a rule against the infinite cape
In Melee the closest ban is probably the no wobbling rule for Ice Climbers
Smash 64 debated a bit on bans for Kirby and Pikachu but it never went anywhere
It'll be 6 months before we hear that the MMO was cancelled 6 months ago
Unlikely. I'm quite sure they really want to deliver on that one.
i think you don't know how much they already spent on the MMO dear boy. they legit started from the beginning to take another direction a while ago. they will NOT be able to cancel it.
If a whole-ass finished game or show can be cancelled for whatever reason I don't think a game that we haven't seen yet is an exception no matter how much shxt they wasted on it.
@@apollojustice3431 ghostcrawler did say that they wouldnt let him release the game if the game wasn't going to be genre defining and something that would represent Riot's quality.
Yes, he's gone, but I'm pretty damn sure it wasn't ghostcrawler who made that decision and that is still in place, they knew very well how volatile that market is and if they can't make what they see as the next wow killer then I'm pretty sure its up for grabs as a cancellation.
@@whiskoo9941 The biggest problem when it comes to MMO games though is when a game is hyped up as or is intended to be a "wow killer". Bliz have dropped the ball multiple times with WoW (or so I've heard) yet the game still sits at the top.
Tahm kench wouldve of been the kirby of smash
With the swallow definitely but to use abilities of others wouldn't fit thematically, I think sylas would be a fitting Kirby archetype
Who would be the shulk and pyra/mythra then of this canceled game
@@Sparksparky1 Kindred
Yoshi...
@@TeaPawtviego would have tje copied ability feature
League SSBM would have been Fkin awesome
no, it clearly wouldn't. If they are so bad at balancing their current games, i don't want to know how unbalanced this one will become. Smash bros will always stay peak!
@@ayk5531 you do realize ssbm is hella unbalanced as well right? Literally less than 10 competitively viable characters to play with
@Sqooosh I agree tho, league characters wavedashing would be sick as hell and I'm down for it
@@shivnessLucian wavedashing as soon as Leona Es onto me as she hits level 2 😭😭
I'm so sad they got rid of it! The only fighting game I play is Smash. I've never fucked with Tekken, Street Fighter, Dead or Alive, etc. Those feel alot more restrictive to me and heavy, whereas Smash is more free and floaty, and I MUCH prefer that!
start a petition to continue it cuz it would go hard ngl
I had a dream of a Runeterra soulslike and I was so sad when I woke up. I was playing as TF rolling through barrels fighting a boss and it was so much fun 😭
One can dream right?
Maybe a glimpse of that dream will someday exist 🥲
Daaaammn
I have been wondering how that would be like and what it would be about?
It’s always so interesting to see these behind the scenes of Riot
Legends of Runeterra deserves to be bigger, it's a great game.
Riot couldn't find an efficient way to monetize, unfortunately. Hopefully they'll find a way to regain interest, I agree I miss LoR but it just isn't the same these days.
@@mycapslockisbrokennvmifixe7518 it wasn't that popular in the first place. The problem with that game monetization is that it require a massive amounts of players to be profitable. However the genre and hardcore gameplay make it so that will never happened
The meta is so trash tho the non stop hec decks is so annoying to face idk why riot didn't put hec in eternal
@@Soggywafflecakes sounds like someone hasn't played since beta
@@chillmadude i remember super aggro meta with no champs
My heart is shattered....this would have been soooo fire
Thank Tencent and their greed centric MO.
Multiversus isn't attracting because it's mostly TV shows characters and not video games characters. Video games have their own meta of popularity, otherwise games like Mad Max and Avatar would top the charts - as they released alongside popular movies. Star Wars is one of the only exception and that's because they've been making niche games for a looooong time and there's a desire to explore more of this universe. Dragon ball another because people want more fights. That's about it. For the scope of brawlhalla, it's doing REALLY well
And even then, it's not like it didn't attract, it's launch showed a massive amount of players, it's just that they left due to the devs not fixing the game, and after a year of hiatus they release the game in an even worse state
People clearly wanted the game to succeed, the devs just mishandled it.
It has nothing to do with the characters. The game just sucks. It doesn't hit the same highs as SSB. Everything just feels floaty and "safe".
@@valor2284 yeah, everything feels so laggy, like i needs to be 30% faster.
The characters not being the problem is proven by the fact SO MANY PEOPLE signed in to play day on and it exploded, that everyone almost immediately left was issue with the game
@@aetriandimitri190 Yeah it has nothing to really do with the characters as most people like playing with familiar Warner Bros. IP, but it instead has to do with the game’s horrible net code, the slower pace in the full launch of the game, and the monetization issue it has. The game’s net code has honestly been really bad with the beta launch and the full release so that’s probably one of the biggest issues with the game but the game also got slower with the full release which people didn’t enjoy as they thought the fast paced nature suited the game more. Lastly they literally added a new currency for their PvE mode and they increased the prices for characters making playing the game less rewarding and spending money to buy characters and remove restrictions more rewarding. All in all the game literally sold its soul after getting the second chance it needed.
@@lightlingzooma-69 like the monetization is ridiculous and they removed QoL just to be more scummy like losing training to try out characters so you have to grind more than a week to get one character just to maybe not even like them, which just pushes you to pay. Me and my brother and all my other friends that play smash bros were extremely excited and played during the beta. We felt it had issues at launch but expected fixes and they just didn't come so we lost interest. But were hopeful for full release. Then the full game came out and not one person even tried it after seeing the changes they made
The blame is solely on the devs and their lazy ness and greed, not the characters or genre
Bro i thought it's 2XKO and got scared, im relived, time to enjoy a banger vid
2xko's code name is project L, while this one has a code name - Pool party. But yea I get your point.
@lalo77413 i mean i thought it's 2XKO 'cause i only saw the name of the video and not the tumbnail
Cmon Riot, Multiversus should not be the barometer for success.
I doubt Riot would give up that easily on "Pool Party". I'm confident that Riot would revisit the idea in the future once they figure out how to make their own spin to the game and not just "Smash Bros but League".
Riot is definitely aware of the state of the platform fighting genre. I don't think Riot would even green lit the project if there's little to no chance the game would turn a profit.
What's ur secret that u can stretch a 1 minute topic to more than 10
He has the highest degree In yappology.
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I think this video was very matted with "context". Having the context of nintendos SMASH is a important detail when looking at this decision by Riot. I don't think there was any info in the video that didn't show us info on that side of the story. HE repeats a lot of info each video but you should always assume the viewr has only the least amount of knowledge when clicking the video.
Talking at a slower pace, reading every single word of an announcement/article instead of paraphrasing, talking to the audience like they're children and explaining the meaning even when it's in front of their face
Rinse and repeat same words and ideologies over and over. Pretty much all youtube now
A SuperSmash with LoL would be AWESOME! They already have all thier moves and Skins for multiple characters on screen at once.
And with ARCANE season 2 coming out this year, it would be an EASY slamdunk!
I would've love to play Riot's version of Smash with League champs. I mean I could'nt afford to buy a console to play Smash but Riot would've provided us that chance to try if they continued on. Sad it got shutdown though.
melee is free and amainly palyed on pc
leagaly of course cought cought
also rival of aether is very good and Rival 2 is in the horizon
@@captaineflowchapka5535 melee is not free and pirating is pirating, you arent cool for trying to call a duck a dog. Melee is also mainly not played on PC. Unless, ofcourse, you download an emulator and pirate it. Everyone knows what to do. Dont spin it as something it isnt.
@@dogsbecute most people do play on pc. I have a physical copy but a lot people just like the better graphics and not using a crt when it’s set up. It’s hard to explain but the game feels smoother on pc than on a regular tv with a GameCube.
console are not that expensive -_-
@@dogsbecute taht is precisly the point of me adding cought cought , that the joke
it is pirating a game taht isn't sold anymore ,whom main way of palying are hard and become more and more unacessible .
and for beginner slippi HIS the main way to play .
Guys we cant let that slide we need to advocate for the game and do something like a petition to show them that people want a good pc super smash and also really want their champs in such a game
the potential is infinite for a competitive super smash for pc cause there is literally none
riot games is about to drop a souls game, it is simple they see what is popular and copy and make it better
6:41 Flashbacks of sitting on my bros as fat princess YES THIS GAME WAS THE BEST
MLBB just waiting at the corner until they can replicate the latest Riot game projects.
fail to replicate
You meant moontoon
i haven't know a single person who like to play smash with item on non-competitive map
I mean not anymore. When I was a kid we would turn on only "fair" items (bat, green shell, lip stick, star rod, and the box/capsules they come in)
Necrit really delivering that FOMO to riot in that last line 😂
I mean, a league smash bros could've been cool but i really think working on two fighting games at once must be a good sign to know you are probably going too far
trueeee one more game is definitely too much for them to handle - they should stick to the small amount of 6 games they are simultaneously working on / balancing
Platform fighters ARE NOT fighting games,
Don’t get them mixed up just because they both involve hitting another
@@tahashina6557 Sorry man, should've said two combo centered 2d perspective games
Damn man, a Smash Bros. League Game would have been amazing
Riot RTS with champions (like wc3) with Demacia, Noxus and Void (for start) would revive that genre, and expansions adding shadow isles, shurima, etc, that would go crazy in that genre.
Smash bros may have had a good sale but that didn't really guarantee Riot would too
a part of the reason (if not the major one) why smash does succeed in this genre while any other company doesn't (despite everything) is because Smash already has decades of history in this genre
with a fanbase of players who have been playing and enjoying the title over those decades and it's generally a little hard to kill a large community who has been existing for decades even if the genre is falling apart
On the contrary, others are seen as "smash bro copies" and don't attract as much the attention for they have to build up a community from the ground thus have to give a first impression...
First impression in which they are given a ceiling of standard to meet expectation named Smash Bros. and if they don't surpass that ceiling, they fall apart.
And to no ones suprise, Ultimate rose the ceiling so high, that even Sakurai, the director of Smash, doesn't really know how to exceed it.
I think Pool Party would've done better than the hopes for their fighting game. It's hard for even fighting game legends like King of Fighters or Soul Calibur to compete with Tekken and Street Fighter. Not to mention it's market is even more crowded than the party fighter genre.
Yeah I think it's a bad call, we are still getting new tekkens and mortal Kombat, meanwhile smash is currently waiting for the next console which could take a while. And the rest of the competition is very old so players would likely want something new
I'd definitely take a platform fighter over 2hko since mk is still having dlc meanwhile smash hasn't been updated in a while
I have hopes that 2xko will do well
@@aetriandimitri190 we wont get a new smash lol
@gigabyte3420 same, but I can't help but feel like they made the wrong call here. I think it'll be very hard for Riot to breakthrough with their game, while Pool Party, if done well, could've been a great competitor with Smash.
@@christianprevost8455 yes we are, it would be idiotic not to, plus they've already mentioned that the next smash won't have everyone again. Can't have a next smash that won't have everyone if there is no new smash
Unfortunately if it was going toward a more casual route, it was probably a good decision to cancel it. It's not going to be able to compete with Smash for that audience. Should have just went forward with the original competitive vision or focused on 2XKO from the start instead of trying to make two fighting games at once (even though platform fighters aren't really a traditional fighting game).
But imagine whole league roaster as smash characters and u can play ur main in 1v1 on a competitive ladder with a different for 2v2 😍
damn riot really wants alot of content in any genre games.
Now we need them to do a RTS Runeterra game, similar to Lord of the Rings Battle for Middle Earth (hero system etc)
@@letyrox2709 ironically enough, they are alot of rumors about them working on an RTS, and these rumors tend to be true over time, since valorant and their mmo was rumored first too
@@liqiye3611 Bro I would play the shit out of that game if I can play as the shuriman empire, getting baccai and ascended troops 🤤
Yooo, didnt know about that, i try to play aoe but i cant make myself to play and enjoy it, i would play this
2:40 if this is true then RIOT! make a league kart game AND MY LIFE IS YOURS.
Me and the boys playing vandal jax and gragas riding our motorbikes
while i'd love this, necrit is smoking something here
Ive been a league and melee player for years and im super bummed to hear this. Honestly the depth of movement and the feel of melee hasnt been replicated by any modern game and while i have doubts that riot would be able to make it as good as melee, i would have loved to see them try.
It sucks because the modern platform fighters made based off melee(multiverses, all star brawl, ultimate, etc.) Seem to struggle to make a good feeling learning curve. The more time and practice you put into melee, the better it feels, and that feeling never goes away. I feel like the issue with those newer games is they make the learning curve and movement more or less accessible from day 1 so after a few months of playing you basically have all the tech down and its just a matter of ironing it out.
Melee isnt perfect and theres things that i feel make it feel harder than nessecary like l cancelling, but its that challenge and always feeling like im getting better and the game feels better is just so good in melee. Its one of the most rewarding learning curves ive ever had in a video game or out of it
If you were looking for soemthing closer to melee, I'd recomend Rivals of Aether, they have a 2nd one coming out soon. plays a lot closer to Melee and Project M than the more casual ones like multiverses or brawlhalla or those sorta ones
@@ThineDude Nah I don't like how Rivals plays, I don't like how there's no shield and in general edgeguarding is nerfed. The only game that feels like melee is Project M/Project+
a for fun pool party game while searching for a game in league would be so cool
I think having a smash game come out alongside 2XKO would spread the players who like fighting games. I think killing Pool Party was a good idea to focus more on 2XKO
Heya! i actually play tested this game here on the Philippines, it was super fun and almost ready for release sad to see it never get out but i was soo lucky i got to test it!
it had chibi-like characters, different maps around runeterra and also fun bg music, i had the chance to test it out using a provided mobile phone. i remember loving how op blitz was as well as tristana, and the volleyball mode as so fun
2 years ago i made a reddit post about them making a smash game and no one cared xd gg
I believe with the development of Arena there could a direction to go into "casual competitive". Someway to make it somewhat party mode, but with competitive options.
The funniest part about this is the shear anger i get when i tell people in Reddit that this game is canceled lol. It still sad tho that it's canceled
Honestly though, Riot could've broken the ice with this platform fighter. Reason Multiversus and others failed, was because they also setup to be a quick buck gambit. I mean look at how deep Multiversus went... not really at all. At times it was janky and felt unfinished. Plus the Beta was out for so long, that hype died before the game released. With as much polish and marketing Riot can do for their own titles, their new game honestly would survive with no issues (id just suggest porting it to steam too, so the potential audience can be larger).
who the hell would be frustrated with developing a party fighter TO BE A PARTY FIGHTER
The issue with Multiversus is that they tried to combine characters from TV shows and movies into a game. To be a fan, you need to have watched those TV shows and enjoy the style of the game. Smash Bros on the other hand is characters from only video games battling in another video game. Chances are if you are playing this video game, you've played other video games before, so a character you've seen before is most likely in Smash Bros. I just don't understand what audience Multiversus was trying to catch with this game tbh
brawlhalla is actually very widely successful, having some of the biggest prize pools in all of fighting game history and a thriving esports scene to this day. i’m surprised he didn’t mention that at all
Bro, Imagine the fighting stages across runeterra, Navori, shurima with a background of sun disk. on top of fking Targon. Brooooooooo
I think why multi versus isn’t so popular is the weird 3d the way financial side is managed and most of all they balanced the game into a 2vs 2 when the smash audience whant proper 1 vs 1 fun mechanics
It's mostly because the game suck period. Making it 2v2 would still work if the game was actuallg good.
THERE WAS A WHAT?! MAN SHIT... I WOULDA ACTUALLY PLAYED THT. See like, Vel'koz knocking up people into a void beam?!
6:43 Necrit... WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?!
I played as sly on that PS2 game man. he had no block, his block made him invisible
Nintendo games have a way of being casual friendly, yet mechanically deep. Smash Ultimate is crazy when you really deep dive into what a character can do, and Splatoon 3 has been pushed quite far as well. Rivals of Aether is just melee mechanics and the characters are kind of hard to play, where as in Smash Ultimate, anyone can play Ike, Samus, Kirby, Ganon, and many more, it's simple but very hard to master.
I just want a league character to make it in the next smash bros. Lee Sin would be sick.
I genuinely expected Mii costumes from League at some point, Lee sin, and Yasuo as Mii Brawler and Mii Swordmaster, and then 1 of Senna, Lucian, Jinx, Caitlyn, Tristana or whatever as Mii Gunner.
Smash Bros. Ultimate had probably the most hype I've ever seen related to a fighting game when it was announced. I don't know if anything could realistically compete with it tbh, but I'm open to be proven wrong.
I never considered how a lot of people bought smash for reasons outside competitive play - and I was one of those people actually. Friendly competition and the various single player modes in addition to the character roster.
Other platform fighters don’t really compare, and if they’re free to play they are heavily focusing on the competitive aspect of it.
Nintendo meanwhile makes a sale whenever and the numbers don’t necessarily reflect anything other than that.
I think a leage Smash Bros would be insane
I Love you Necrit Thank you for the All-Stars call out I Miss this game so much
An MMO and a fighting game are both hard genres to compete with in this current year.
They should jump in the solo RPG genre like Genshin Impact in my opinion.
With Riot Forge, I only wanted either a Smash Bros. Game or Mario Kart themed around Bandle City. That's all I wanted... Though a Survival Horror game of running away from Warwick, Nocturne, Fiddlesticks, Evelynn, etc. wouldn't have been bad either.
But thankfully this means they can't mess things up like adding a bunch of characters from only one section of the roster
( *Cough* *Cough* Fire Emblem)
i think at the first they really confident about league universe can be selling good, but so many project not really have a good sign and their economy its not stable, so they play safe now not to be aggresive anymore. and i think they will do this smashbros genre as a last bullet to make player stay playing, like tft in League, POC in LOR, or they just do basic game as foundation and other genre can be added anytime they want
Oh wow I think with how everyone fights in League a Smash Bros style game would be have been INSANE!!
i wouldn't say that fighting games are notorious for not evolving, anime fighters are constantly pushing the boundries for "what can we put in a fighting game", street fighter tries something completely new every main entry, and even if we ignore those points, Project L hasn't done anything mechanically new
Wait, they were literally working on _2_ fighting games _at the same time?_ damn
Smash Bros. format was a far better fit to the franchise than what Project L is doing.
The current style cripples most of the characters in order to fit a certain "balance". I still think that Project L will be very successful in the FGC but it looks like it's going to be too competitive for casual audiences and it will be much smaller than what a League of Smash Bros. could have been.
Necrit is also very wrong about Smash genre not being successful.
Multiversus was extremely successful just that it released as a beta with microtransactions and the devs did not updated it enough, too slow development. Rivals of Aether still very popular and it's getting a 2nd game... and Brawhalla was the most successful and stable fighting game... until Street Fighter 6 dethroned it JUST RECENTLY and because Street Fighter aims more to the casual audience now.
The only truly sad game was PS All-Stars which wasn't even bad, just a mildly bad roster and PS players don't seem to like that type of games a lot.
Rivals 2 gonna be goated
Creating a fighting game can be summed up in one sentence :
It's a coin tous, either you create the game of the decade OR you flop harder than multiversus
The thing is fighting games are almost repeating franchises and nothing more,im not saying there are no new figthing games,but its almost always going to be Sf,tekken,mk,mvc and even Guilty gear ,those are the main ones even tho i love when a figthing game with new mechanics comes out
@@KaliTheThunder True, even tho their are two styles of fighting games, couch/casual like Smash or tryhard only like Tekken or Street Fighter, in the end new fighting games don't stand a chance in either of those cathegories...
And that, that's just sad...
Dude forget about innovation in the fighting game genre, 99% of those games are the most bare bones experiences on offer
I feel fighterz innovated with good aerial combat and every character having good range and melee options
brawl is hated for the tripping because you cant turn it off, but other then that smash can be as wacky as you want, making the casual/competitive distiction is kind of dumb here, they dont have to be mutually exclusive, smash is both casual and competitive depending on how you are playing, you just have to give the players the option to do whatever they want
I agree with Necrit- I think Riot made the right call in pulling the plug. I'm down for a Riot platform fighter, but I don't think there's a massive audience to draw from if you build the game from the ground up to be a hyper-competitive tryhard experience. I think the League community has shown it has an appetite for fun, casual game modes. So I think a platform fighter that's designed to be a casual party game from the get-go would make much more sense. Just make sure it has depth for those who wish to pursue it. The problem is building a title that can actually compete with the industry Gaint in Smash would likely take a highly specialized team and a ton of money. Maybe trying to compete simply isn't worth it. I do want to see a Riot-made party-style game one day though.
6:41 I LOVED THIS GAME. It deserves a comeback.
btw riot didnt intentionally reveal it cause they were not sure about it
After all these years I am still waiting for Project F news🥲
I feel like the project should've continued, they have everything to be able to succeed at it. First, Smash Bros fans are starving for a new experience and the competitive scene would do anything to be able to be supported by the company. Second, roster wise is the best thing ever and the setting in terms of both "for fun" and "competitive" modes could've been so easy to manage, just as in Smash and even League, you have the option to do draft or ranked or go to an ARAM if you feel like just having fun. Lastly, the monetization system would've been the same as in League, skins, entrances, loading screens, taunts or emotes, etc, we don't have that in Smash and it would've been just right for the genre. I think it was a missed opportunity.
the playstation allstars trailer is insane!!
Here's a thing, for the longest time Riot had a (in my opinion bad) habit of releasing announcments about their new games, VEEEEEEEERY early into the development, Im pretty sure we've been waiting about 5+ years for both 2XKO, and MMO. So that kind of feels weird to me that they have apparently worked on 2 games (very similar ones, presumably) and decided to not let out even a peep about the platform fighter.
I hope to see from you Necrit a 1 hour video, when the 15th anniversary comes
Honestly this makes me super sad, I bet this would have been amazing
16 seconds ago is freaky
also, the subgenre is called "platform fighter" not "party fighter"
also also, i'm with tb skyen on this one, multiversus failed because it made dumb bad decisions that their playerbase didn't like, but that doesn't mean that pool party would necessarily fail. Heck pool party would make bank as long as they give enough time between the launch of Project L and pool party for both of them to breath.
Riot doesn't feel willing to take real risks honestly
I wish riot bring back the browser games they did , the convention only games or even 1day game jam one 😅
On the website not in client
I love your videos. Would be awesome if you would consider doing a podcast sharing some of your content there.
Yasuo would have had a one stock power spike.
You can see yasuo inting against braum in the fighting game clips, so its save to say that
Yasuo ... Yasuo never changes
such a shame, I am not a fan of traditional fightinga games, but Smash Bros. always held a special place in my heart and always provided me plenty of fun.
but I suppose if Riot moved in this direction, it means that Street Fighter sells way more; nothing we can do about it...
When I saw this news yesterday I was like for sure Necrit gonna make a video about it lol
Maybe with 2xko big success Rito will revive this project
THE sad thing is that a Platform league of legends game would have just been flat out better than X2KO... there's really no competitive Platform fighting game on the market where there's plenty of 2d fighting games saturating it.
X2ko will never make a dent, it already can't even stand up.
I wonder if they'll ever work on an VR game? Experiencing runeterra in VR would be amazing. It's understandable that they won't be doing it; doesn't seem that profitable.
It would have clashed too much with 2XKO, especially when 2XKO will be called the "Riot/League Fighting Game" by the playerbase and it would take alot of attention and marketing power away. In addition to the risk with Party Fighters like SSB
"only viral game is smash bros" meanwhile brawlhalla: am i a joke to you
yes it is
This is depressing because it would’ve been waaaay cooler than whatever 2XKO is doing
2XKO has a new way to play fighting games (2v2, 1v2, ect) and fighting game legends working on it. I wish we could've seen how they shake up platform fighters cause ruined king and the valorant made some huge innovations in their respective genres.
@@spub1031lol 2v2 1v2 aint new to fighting games. You must be living under a rock if you actually think 2XKO is the first to do it
@porygon-z8270 I'm not saying it's the first Capcom vs. Marvel did it as well. What they didn't do, however, was add tag-in moves. You could be mid-combo and swap in your bro who could continue the combo just by being tagged in. I should have made this more clear.
Brawlhalla is by no means dead it has a thriving community and is in a great spot rn
It’s dying competitively, coming from an old professional player who still talks to current pros, it is definately not doing good
@@tahashina6557 The game itself is doing great and the competitive scene is such a small portion that it doesn't matter. Very few people actually watched brawlhalla esports
I was confused when I heard the news. I thought it was the game 2XKO that got cancelled. I never heard of pool party up until news of its cancellation came out.
brawlhalla has an esports scene and over 14k concurrent players every day -.-
i would buy pool party if it meant they would continue development. it would be so fun to play with friends on a couch like its the 2000s again.
lol. That's the first time, in a long time, that I've ever heard WP as being a "credible source."
Counter point: Rito has yet to make a single good game. People are just easy to manipulate in and kept addicted.
Playstation all Stars.... That was a GREAT time for me and I was devastated when I learned not only was it cut support. My man DART WAS COMING?! AUGH.
I still played all stars battle royale with my friends and fam up until like 2021 so I like the nostalgia there Necrit
Brawlhalla is still a good working game with a lot of players mostly playing it for fun but in the viral scene it's not the best because of smash bros, although because of its uniqueness and giving players the abilities to button smash and play with their friends it's still kicking
i hope they try to bring back the project one day i'm personally way more interested in party brawlers even from a competitive 1v1 pov than 2xko
I feel that cancelling it is not a good idea right now because games like multiverse failed due to their own dumb problems they created, in the current time the party games are getting old and stale or just do things in a certain way that rub a lot of players of popular party games like Smash Ultimate in the wrong way, some things like locking characters, focusing on team fights, making the gameplay floaty and too gimmiky. The most popular subset of platform fighter is like Smash Brothers, what companies get wrong is why people love it so much, not just for characters which is a huge part, but just being fluid gameplay, that's it
$200 mythic variant and $500 ahri skin would save this game but because of boycotting so some of riot games decided to shutdown and sunsetting
Rip LoR Riot Forge Riot MMO and this smash bro game
Wildrift will it's on way to shutdown because this game is dead no wonder ml players call this game "deadgame" no eSports worst matchmaking almost 60% skin lock under a gacha system no marketing outside china etc.
I think the problem is that everyone misunderstands why Smash Bros actually is popular.
In terms of representing its series, it takes great care in making each feel distinct in its own style, but also lessens detail or adds more where needed to bring cohesion to the cast. So many all star games have characters that are super jarring to be seen next to each other and Smash only feels awkward with a few.
In terms of gameplay, it has a low skill floor which means everyone can learn it quickly and start playing with friends, but coupled with a high skill ceiling which gives people the room to grow and feel like they're mastering their character of choice. They also make sure characters movement feel smooth and responsive which is super important in a platform fighter.
Couple these with multiple ways to play, whether you prefer casual party games (high rate of items, silly rulesets, and crazy stages) or more serious competition (no items, defined rules, and tame stages) then you have something to appeal to everyone.
I'm a competitive player and enjoy 1v1, but we ALL started by playing with whatever took our fancy and enjoying the game with pokeballs on high on stages more likely to kill us than the opponent. You won't beat Smash Bros success without having all the fun things to get people on board, before you delight them with deeper gameplay.
They would REALLY have to ban all the Jax mains from the tournaments.
bring back the lore videos!! idc if it's speculation theory crafting or criticism stuff, I miss the old og necrit 😭