I've NEVER Seen ANYTHING Like This Before!!
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
- There's "different" and then there's THIS!
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Would you guys ever rock a neck like this? Let me know!
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I'd definetly try
I’d try this
Nah. Pretty much lost me at the tuning differentials. Other than that, it's cool!
I can't believe you don't know temperament frets.
I'll try anything but, I'm considering the guitar players who influenced me. Take Jimmy Page. He made beautiful music to say the least and always in tune up and down the neck whether it was a Tele or double neck SG or of course a Les Paul.
So I'm not good enough to need anything intonated more perfectly than a well intonated standard fretted neck.
Having said that, sure I'd love to play it just because it's a guitar neck that sparks my curiosity. Just as I've played 7 string guitars . I've had plenty of fun playing a 6 string with normal frets. I just don't have the need for perfect intonation to such an extent as this one. I feel like the difference is so miniscule to the ear that I wouldn't want to have to tune it in a different way than what I'm used to.
It does make for a great conversation starter amongst other guitarist. "lemme check it out, what the...." Right?
Outside of that I think I have a bit of a resentment against the company for giving you a bit of a run around enough so that you had to warn your subscribers 🤣
Thanks for showing us that it _plays_ much better than it looks like it should. I thought it would be trickier to play and nobody needs another obstacle right Darrel? The journey presents us with plenty of those to begin with huh man ✌️❤️🎸🎶🙏
I think a side by side comparison with sound samples would be a good idea. I didn't hear you say anything about it playing in tune much better. It seems like that's the whole point of the product. Thanks for all your videos!
If there's a difference I don't know if it would be so much better intonated to bother with the tuning issue anyway.
Page, Hendrix, Clapton, Gilmore etc ... they're doing fine and if you played along with those guys and you _were_ better intonated you'd sound off slightly right?
It is a nice conversation starter though!
I really thought it would present problems in playing. So that was surprising.
I know James Taylor tunes differently than most for the same reason but, if I'm in tune on a well intonated guitar I'm good 😂
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Although I think just intonation sounds better, even-tempered intonation is a lot easier to manufacture (straight frets) so much music is made on even-tempered instruments it SOUNDS in-tune to us.
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I thought the same thing. Paul Davids played one of these a while ago and was really surprised by it and thought the sound would take some getting used to. Darrell doesn’t mentions the sound of it at all. Would love to hear a side-by-side.
Could you not hear it yourself?
This video would benefit from a part 2 where you actually show why this even exists. Especially in comparison with a normal guitar: The problematic chords, the fact that sweetened tunings work best in certain areas but can't fix the whole fretboard, and if this true temperament frets actually fix those problems completely.
Totally agree. That should have been the first thing mentioned, i.e. that standard frets are based on equal temperament (just like a piano), but are compromised by things like varying string thickness, wound vs solid string (that's why the G string part of the TT frets are particularly curvy), and stretching of the string as you press down (something Evertune also compensates for). If you've ever wondered why your open E chord sounds great, but open D sounds squirrelly, then you know why True Temperament exists.
Imagine the bends 🤣. It'll sound like autotune
Edit; I guess not 😔
since you have to tune some of the open strings slightly off to make it work, it still won't be a perfectly in tune neck unless you never play any open strings.
multi scale guitars must terrify you then. i play a tempered 29-26 scale and its barely noticeable going from regular frets to this. 3 minutes to adjust.
@@kiyanharchegani2588 yeah? really? uh huh
It is a little wild how few people have been exposed to true temperament. I was first exposed to these in high school almost a decade ago, and it has really changed a lot about my perception of musical quality for stringed instruments. It seemed weird, but it makes a lot of logical sense and even more theoretical sense when you think about fretless strings like the violin and cello.
The more I listen to you playing, the better I can tell that your intonation is absolutely on point. Ngl, it is really convincing me that I'd prefer true temperament. The chords alone are out of this world just being 100% in tune with no pitch issues. It is so incredibly pleasing to the ear.
Ikr, there nothing new, and everyone here is freaking out
it makes sense if you play classical music. It doesn't make sense when you play electric guitar with other electric guitar players who don't have this system. Then you're the only one who sounds off.
It would seem that a huge potential downside to this would be that anyone you play with would also have to have a true tempered neck, or else they wouldn't be in tune with you. Guitars with straight frets don't have perfect intonation, but we're used to that. What's almost more crucial is that everybody's instrument has the same definition of what any given pitch is.
There are keyboards that can be switched to just intonation, but it's still pretty rare. ;)
Yup... if you tried to play twin harmony lines with one of these things, and the other guy was playing on a traditional neck, the "prefect intonation" is gonna clash with the imperfect intonation, and it would get ugly quick, lol
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It’s ugly looks like an elementary art class made it😂
Actually that is NOT entirely true, the Beatles , John Lennon DELIBERATELY flattened one of his strings so people would know which one playing was him. All you need is to be close (an actual guitar proves that)...and we know from detuners than some separation or imperfection can be good...I just DO NOT see the point in this, close is good enough....I mean one of the most popular guitars is the Les Paul and that is the single WORST for being in tune all over the neck...just a bad scale length!! and they play fine with strats and tele's and all sorts of guitars, so you probably would not have issue there
This is really rather ingenious. I genuinely thought it was a novelty/joke when I first saw it and doubted how it would work even after you explained what it was for. Neat!
Appreciate the honesty dude, most would’ve just said how great it was and fail to mention the buying experience, good man
Hi Darrell, as usual a very good video to watch! I am a self taught guitar builder (not a luthier) who came across those guys for about 5 or 6 years ago when i needed help with refretting and cleaning up the weldings on a Telecaster guitar that i've won in a pokergame. It's actually a very small operation Luthiers that began as workers on former Paul Guy Guitars. Man those guys are really skilled and innovative but, as it is a very small operation and no factory production of these necks i can surely understand why they take their time to make them as high quality level as possible. And by the way. They did an excellent job on my Telecaster guitar as i expected. I also heard a rumour that Steve Vai is one of their clients but i never got that confirmed but, that made me enough curious to look them up and ask for their help. I was blown away of the skill the luthier had who simply dismounted the neck and the pickguard just to inspect how bad my guitar needed those improvements. They were all the way through very professional and even gave me an estimated price there on the spot plus when i could come back and pick it up.
I am too used to traditional necks to be willing to test on of these necks i'm afraid. 54 years with the regular ones on a very large amount of guitars. Cheers! ~Rob Nilsson Musician from Sweden.
Great review and you seem like a genuine nice person. I even like how you gave the negative feedback but in a respectful and understanding way (as opposed to the all too familiar rant). Have subscribed in the strength of this review and look forward to seeing more from you.
These have been around for ~10 years. I have three custom necks that went through the TT treatment (two maple Warmoth and a graphite neck) and they are fantastic.
Yup, even remember the company who came up with these walking into our guitar shop introducing it.
Was quite the interesting play session gotta say.
Do you notice a difference when playing with other instruments without this factor! I'm guessing not!
Did you get yours from the USA company in Texas? How long was your wait? Thanks. I ordered two from Sweden two weeks ago that were supposedly in stock necks, but it's been radio silence since they got my money.
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The first one I got from Sweden and it took a long time. The other two were done in Texas.
All three were custom necks that I shipped to them, so it was different than stock orders, but nothing was quick. The last one was probably five or six years ago, so nothing recent.
Remember I sent you a picture of my Strat build with this neck about two or so years ago and said you should do a build on it? And yes, there was quite a delay in receiving it from the company, but it’s worth it.
I wish you would have illustrated exactly how it’s in tune all over the neck by playing various open chords high on the neck in different positions to show how all the strings remain in tune against a normal guitar where they aren’t so true.
The guitar neck is really designed for complex chords since playing lead on any guitar the intonation isn’t really an issue to the ear for the most part. But I’m glad to see this video of a guitar neck that’s my main ax now because my chord progressions that are played all over the neck are now in tune instead of one or two notes that shade flat.
What was your delay? Did they also refuse to give you any updates after you paid?
Good of you to mention the buying process, honest reviews are very important nowadays. 🍻
Its still amazing to me how the greatest players inspire on just regular guitars...I'll be happy when I can play phenomenal on a regular guitar...
Thanks, I hate it. This is an acid flashback. Somebody built the guitar that my kid drew. My scoliosis is cured.
Funniest and best comment I have read in years.
Lol check out if drawings by children were real...so disturbing
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Your shipping experience was better than mine! I ordered the Yamaha Pacifica 612 (same model you demo’d) in March 2021 but didn’t get it until May 2022! Fortunately, I didn’t have to pay the shop until it arrived
This feels like a perfect collection addition for a player whose true gift is rhythm playing. Take bends out of the equation and this could be amazing.
I've had one of these necks on my Strat for a couple of years. I know it looks like bends might be a problem, but honestly, they're not. It was my one worry when I was deciding whether to buy, but right from the first time I played it, I had no problem at all.
I know UA-cam doesn't like links in comments, but I do have a video up with lots of bends on it - search for Just a bit of Lady Jay. I recorded that a few weeks after I got the neck.
The bends work just fine, you would think it would cause issues but it really doesn't. The frets are only uneven on a single plane so they still feel smooth and natural when bending. I played a guitar with one of these at a guitar show, it was a blast to play and you can really hear the intonation improvement. The price put it out of reach for me though. It makes sense, they are much harder to manufacture than standard fret necks.
If you play a lot of open chords all over the neck, this works great for staying in tune. If you're a power chord and lead guy, this neck won't matter much. Bending is no problem.
Tempered frets are really cool. I've always been bothered by guitars inability to be perfectly in tune with itself. I've developed a different tuning technique that helps me but then I have to avoid certain positions for chords. 1st position D being a big one.
If you have trouble with an open D, try a compensated nut. I don't have the means for a neck like this, but I can buy bone stock and do wonders with a set of files and sand paper.
This sounds like a more accurate representation of how sound actually flows from instrument to ear
Lol, you won a flying guitar..... flies right into your head. Pow....lol
Really cool. Seems like a solution to a problem no one had, tho..especially if it needs to be tuned differently.
The guitar's imperfect intonation has always bothered me. At first, I thought I had rubbish guitars, but when I was able to access professional instruments, I realised no guitar intonates really well.
Sup Darrell. Ever thought of reviewing Fujigen guitars? They implement circular fretting systems on all their guitars to supposedly help with intonation. Might be worth looking into.
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Wow Darell, looks like you’ve inspired my second build. The first one you kick started was your super strat with the darkmoon abalone humbuckers. That guitar I used a shape similar to a PRS. But I’ve been wanting an actual strat for a while now. I guess I’ll be getting in line for my new neck 😂
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I sent Darrell a picture of my Strat build with this neck. If you play a lot of open chords all over the neck, this works great for staying in tune. If you're a power chord and lead guy, this neck won't matter much. You might have to buy a new tuner though in order to get the cents per string right, but no biggie.
Now have this plus the scalloped neck
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this is a really great system i've got one 10 years ago tune perfectly easy to play love it🥰
Wow. You can definitely hear that the intonation is better than a guitar with straight frets. Surprisingly cool. Thanks Darrell!
sarcasm much?
Are you serious?
@@lyonsson6480 trained people or people with absolute pitch can definitely hear the difference, but for most people, even those with casual training, it's indistinguishable
@@grischad20 "you can definitely hear that the intonation is better than a guitar with straight frets" there was no side by side comparison, no before and after. a comparison between this modified guitar and any other guitar with straight frets from "previous listenings" is completely subjective. and you would be amazed how many "trained" people fail double blind tests in situations like this. this could have been a very good opportunity to compare the same guitar with and without the compensated fretboard, but apparently that wasn't part of the plan.
@@grischad20 Just think about it... the way the frets are moves the sound up/down by the exact amount that you move your tuning by afterwards... so at the end of the day, you've practically done nothing, but made your playing more difficult. I still maintain that this is pure snake oil... until someone shows me a real side-by-side comparison and we can see on the frequency analysis that something actually happened.
The first time I saw frets like this was when Steve Vai showed off one of his guitars. It caught my eye because I had never seen frets bent like that before.
Wasn't ia Eklund from freak kitchen one of the first who used this type of frets?
Wow! Thank you for this introduction and review. The OCD in me would have me attempting to "correct" those frets. It played very well, double stops and all; however, the first downside and breaking point for me would be not knowing how to keep it as perfect as it is now. I could understand this on a carbon fiber neck, which needs no adjustments from weather and time. I would not know where to begin to attempt a fretjob on this neck, and that would be my final breaking point. Thoughts?
I would love to see a video about what you need to setup your guitar to a Pc and accessories, software etc.
WOuld be nice to see a side by side comparison through a tuner
Does it do what it is supposed to do for intonation?
Darrell from a ( senior player prospective ) with arthritis really putting on the big hurt in my left hand finger knuckles and wrist joints. Making it difficult to apply the correct pressure across the neck for most cords types, could you see these crooked frets actually helping old people with crooked fingers with pain filled joints able to make guitar music easier for us. Something for you to think about and maybe making another video with that line of thought input, very good video , thanks.
Have you ever tried fanned frets? The theory is that it allows you to have a more natural wrist position. I've never tried them but it makes sense.
Sounds really good...Curious on what happens when you have to level one of the frets
Did I miss you saying the intonation was better or not?
Hi Darrell, didn't you forget the most important aspect of this neck? The difference in tuning/sound compared to a normal neck for intervals and chords?
Yeah, he didn't demonstrate the differences. Maybe another time he will.
I've seen a few other instances of a neck in that style. One had the "bent" frets, and the other had split up frets. I think this design is less likely to wreck bending.
I have seen some people playing these. I think it would totally mess me up but it looks very interesting, and probably sounds fantastic if you can play it well.
Years ago I saw a post on UA-cam from Mattias IA Eklundh playing one of these and I was drop-jawed. Steve Vai also has a few posts playing a JEM with them. I've always wanted to try one but they cost so much for just the neck that, if I hate it, it will be one heck of an expensive experiment. Might just need to pull the trigger. Cheers, Darrell.
Save your money... they're more trouble than they're worth. And if you plan on paying in a band with another guitar player, he better have one of these ridiculous things too, otherwise the two of you will NEVER be in tune with each other.
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@@notonyourlife7939, I regret to say that what you are claiming is not true. I know from experience. And you can check with eminent players like Matthias Eklundh and Per Nilsson if you don't take my word for it.
@@frodeleirvik Per won't take my calls.
Reminds me of those crazy micro tonal necks. Have you done a video on those yet?
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Fair review. Thanks. Prolly gonna sick with my stock neck so I can blame my imperfections on the straight frets.
Thanks! I want one.
As I have a Tele rather than a Strat, I may buy a Squire strat especially to try this on.
That is the most unusual neck I have ever seen, apart from the fretboard on my first electric guitar which was a’Futurama 3’ back in the late ‘70s. That had been well used, and was out of shape in many ways, but was my first electric guitar and this somehow reminds me of that guitar.
I love electric guitars; they must be the most expressive musical instrument on the planet.
Potential downside: you can’t use alternate tunings. You’d need another neck set for Open D, Open G, etc.
You can use alt tunings. The company provides a whole series of how to tune the strings for different tunings.
I wouldn't be able to get my head around the funky tuning. Thanks for the vid.
It’s standard tuning…
What makes me kind of laugh is this sort of thing is typical of he times we live in.
I have one question, and that is "Why?"
OK. Intonation. I doubt anyone other than the person playing it would even care.
Yeah... this is definitely in the "just because you can, doesn't mean you should" category. 🤣👍
I’d try it. Be interesting to feel/hear how a true-temperament banjo and mandolin neck would sound.
Just wanted to thank you for showing us how to open the box.. its was amazing
Kind of side of the subject but I am amazed how rare SS frets are. Like yeah they are bit brighter in tone and more slippery for bending but the main reason I have found out why they are not used isn't that they are harder to work with or they demand bit stronger tools that not every luthier has but that they wear the strings. Lastly I came to this reasoning while taking my quest to find better picks for my use and wandered to the metal pick area and the thing seemed to be "for better control and thin pick you sacrifice your strings". And with both cases I just can't think anything less than, why should you try to save your strings over the frets or the pick when strings basicly are the most consumable part of the guitar?
If you are active player you change your strings every now and then, monthly even weekly and at least once a year or two before they start to rust, changing them twice as often because harder frets still feels like no brainer compared to getting fretwork done even once in couple decades.
Stainless frets don’t have dimples in them a year later
They're really not that uncommon anymore... even some sub-$1K overseas guitars have stainless frets these days. I've been slowly converting all my guitars to stainless frets. Once you try them, you'll never go back... bending is effortless. Then when you pick up something with regular frets, bending feels like you're dragging the strings across sand paper, lol
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Whoa! I need to chill with the ‘shrooms. That neck is moving around like its alive. Help.
Hey Darrell, great channel! I'm a big fan. Greeting from Santiago de Chile.
Man the g string is a freak. He really does do his own thing. What a pervy guy.
Looks like my fret work
The tuning would probably drive me a little crazy, especially on the fly.
I don't know man! Considering that the strings do stretch and how much we stretch them playing and the fact that they recommend gourmet tuning that would hone the intonation. Also we are not generally marketed intonatable nuts and the intonation on the bridge is yeah! maybe a little short. Are these sidewinder snakes worth the trouble? I thought it sounded bright.
Thats so cool It gets me a little Dizzy watching you play with those crooked frets,LOLL!
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Let's give our boy Darrell some likes to recoup for that insanely high price for that neck. Thank you for the honest info.
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What a scammer like you who couldn't even spell guitar correctly lol
Licensed Fender replacement necks around $350. These necks $600-650. Not comparable in price IMO.
@@uncleremus64 who said they were comparable?
@@216trixie Uh, Darrell @ 2:39
You are so nice even when you are critiquing. Good for you Darrell!
Sounds sharper to me,not the first time I've came across these.Very cool!can you buy ready to connect and play?having to drill and string tree etc is definitely a turn off.
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How does setting intonation change (or maybe it doesn't) since the frets make perfect intonation? Do you have to zero out the bridge adjustments? Was it done as you normally would? any gotcha's or difficulties when you installed and adjusted? Sorry if this is a newbie question, but I am a newbie at some of this stuff.
Watching you play those wonky frets hypnotized me. Now I think I'm a chicken.
"Marge, I'm a chicken!"
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I’m more surprised you’ve never seen the true temperament neck prior more than anything
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These necks have been around for decades.
Your frets are melted!! How can this have perfect intonation? Have they never heard of alternative tuning?
I think most people posting don't understand the difference between equal temperment (regular guitars) and just intonation... there is a really good book on this very subject...
How Equal Temperament Ruined Harmony (and Why You Should Care) (you need to search with Google, apparently links in youTube comments are a no-no.)
To make a long story short though? Most people aren't going to care. ;) Only people who are REALLY into "properly" playing Bach, or into very complex jazz chords will be interested.
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I'm wondering if you've not heard the sourness of some basic 'cowboy chords'? Play E, A and D major in first position. Not jazz, but not in tune either. If it doesn't bother you, that's fine, but if it does, then I can tell you, TT really helps.
Nice video. I have one of those myself and I really love it. Just want to mention that the inventor of this system Anders Thidell past away this fall and his life work and legacy should be worth mentioning. Also I would assume things have been a bit strange around the company due to this lately. Anyway, great review
I have one and I love it, too.
Been wanting to try out true temperament for a long time. Problem is the only production model I could find was a Strandberg, which is s high price to pay just to try something out.
Heard them before and they sound amazing, like a guitar probably always should have had the tech existed when guitars were first invented.
Steve Vai uses True Temperament fretting on a few of his guitar and yes, tuning is second to none over the whole neck.
The company is situated in Sweden and it is a small operation.
I'd love to see you combine this with the EverTune bridge!!!! :)
Would love to hear the difference in intonation compared to the normal neck! (Is it worth it?)
If you play a lot of open chords all over the neck, this works great for staying in tune. If you're a power chord and lead guy, this neck won't matter much. If you play your normal neck guitar and often hear how various chords sound slightly out of tune and it bugs you as much as it bugs me, then this neck is for you. If you don't notice it, then it might not matter to have this neck.
@@johnmark7777 Well said
It would be a nightmare to crown those frets.
Definitely ain't using a file!
SS frets make this neck possible!
You don’t crown regular SS frets.
@@Hickalum But imagine trying to crown them.
It does sound absolutely beautiful!
Probably already answered but, ... you forgot to show us the intonation/set-up at the bridge. Excellent info., merci.
Question Darrell, how do the frets work with harmonics? Thanks for your videos.
Ahh, excellent question! Curious now too.
Just search for "Mattias IA Eklundh harmonics"who uses True Temperament necks / frets on his guitars and has whole video lessons about using harmonics (and a volume pedal) for whole songs. He is very unconventional, but an absolute master of the technique
My question is: is there really any advantage to this over a good regular neck?
If you have both perfect pitch and galloping OCD, then yes. 🤣. Otherwise, no... plus, it's worth noting that it's a huge misconception that stainless frets don't wear at all. They do... just a lot slower than regular frets. But eventually those would need some (probably minor) leveling and re-crowning, and good luck finding anybody to do it for you, lol
@@notonyourlife7939 To be honest I'm not convinced it does anything.
@@andrewjackson9417 Those with perfect pitch will notice... because they notice everything, lol... frankly I can't imagine a worse existence, but I digress. There really is no reason for these things...properly set-up traditional necks have worked just fine forever. And unless you're gonna outfit your entire band with these ridiculous things, you'll never play in tune with each other again. 🤣
@@notonyourlife7939 Every time you depress a string you bend it a little, so you pull it out of pitch. It's how the human hand works, so worrying about perfect intonation is ridiculous. BTW, I think we're on the same page here.
@@andrewjackson9417 Oh absolutely... this thing is silly.🤣👍
that thing is a dream come true! I don't know why but some days my ears are like like super fussy about things being in tune and I can never get it quite right!
ouch now that I've looked at the price of these things but they do offer for 50 bucks a tool that lets you I guess hammer the frets into the right shape and place on the fretboard so you could just take that to your local luthier or try and do it yourself so even us poor people can afford to have a perfectly intonated fretboard! that's so awesome that they didn't keep us poor people out of the loop!
If you've never seen these frets before, then you are missing out on Mattias IA Eklundh who has these fitted to most (if not all) of his signature Caparison "Apple Horn" guitars, including the 8 string
and as others have mentioned, Steve Vai has done a couple of videos with a True Temperament neck on one of his Ibanez Jem guitars
For those of you who don't get this:
This is a guitar neck for people who have "perfect pitch" and hear every little "cent" difference when a note is out of tune in a chord, and it really bothers them
This is probably 0.0001% of guitar players, let alone the average person.
And if you change string guage, the frets will be wrong...
But DO listen to what Mattias IA Eklundh and Steve Vai do with this True Temperament system on their guitars
@@iDominic42 No. It isn't just for people with perfect pitch. I don't have perfect pitch but I've always been irritated how a guitar might sound really sweet on one chord, and less so on another. Now I have a guitar with a TT neck on it, and that irritation is a thing of the past.
For those thinking how it'll sync with other guitarists using traditional fretted guitars, it's a non issue.
Listen to dual lead guitar bands like Iron Maiden (that's 3 guitars), amon amarth, Kalmah, etc.. the guitarists are doing their own thing on most of the songs, not always in sync. But it all comes together to create some glorious tunes.
Hard to judge the tuning with the strings settling in. Head to head with straight frets might be a good comparison.
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Who knew that a perfect intonation would be such a...jagged experience.
Good job they're stainless, would have been fun getting a crown and polish
They should have had a zero fret of the same or a compensated nut
Good point. He needs to swap out that plain graphtech.
The compensated *nut* is to make slight adjustments in the *scale length* to make an even-tempered guitar sound in-tune with itself (get the intervals equal, to the 12th root of 2). It's the same principle used at the bridge to compensate for the string going slightly sharp when they're fretted, because the strings stretch slightly as they are pressed down... the way you compensate for this is to slightly increase the scale length.
The point of a just-intonated neck is to move the tuning of the *individual* notes around so they ring with each other. That's why you have to do the "stretch" tuning Darrel talks about towards for it to work.
You should have held this for April 1st! We would never have believed it was real!!!
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6 months?! Lucky!
My Jem is coming in next week after ordering it in May 2021.
You have to alter your tuning a little. How about the bridge saddle intonation? The Buzz Feiten system requires a similar tuning tweak which seems to me to just spread the out of tuneness around a little differently. And what happens if you use a different string gauge ?
Now just add an Evertune and you have a guitar that is perfectly in tune all the time.
Lol I bet if you played that guitar live at a gig , that would probably screw somebody's head up at the club that is drunk ......Even as I was looking at the frets sober as can be I felt like i had double vision....LOL
Intonation and temperment are very different things. It's easy enough to get a guitar to intonate properly with carefull setup, and sometimes a compensated nut,.This is changing the temperment so that some, but not all chord shapes and keys will sound "better" It's a compromise, just like 12 tone equal temperment which is our modern standard.
I miss the intro where he throws the acoustic guitar on the roof of the snow covered shed and then trips and faceplants on his way back inside.
Like the idea, but would never get along with the frets personally. I like doing crazy bends, like 2, 2 and a half steps, and i feel like these frets would mess with that. Super cool idea tho!
I think the fact he never played a nice slow full tone bend tells the story.
Imagine these with an evertune for rhythm work though, I’m sure the keys would appreciate it!
@@martyshwaartz971 Yea, I get such an irk from out of tune chords😭 the fact that chords up and down the fret are still technically out of tune even when the guitar is "in tune" bugs me out so much
They actually don’t! Check out Mattias Eklundh from Freak Kitchen, he almost exclusively plays these and does absolutely crazy bends.
@@RajorshiBhattacharyya, exactly! I just don't get it why people are so caught up in the "they don't bend" when they have never ever tried it.
$650 (USD) is more than most of my guitars. But I do like the idea of them.
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Steve Vai posted a video about this neck in 2008. Glad to see they are still around.
Well, I'm OCD when it comes to tuning, so I would consider this, yes. My issue, and like you said is the odd tuning. Why can't they adjust for that to start with on the frets, since they're already messing with them? That might make me actually buy it, since I am a road musician. I need to quick tune when needed.
Taking your money and waiting 6 months for a neck without a notice beforehand is a deal breaker for me.
I thought the exact same thing.
Exactly. And Darrell had the most polite rant about it that I have ever heard!
It's about damn time somebody made this. I could never stick with playing guitar (I do play bass though) because my brain would always hear those little tuning problems on the G and B strings no matter how much I tuned it.
I took the plunge a couple of years back. Got a TT retrofit on my Strat. I tell you, I will never go back.
It isn't like the bass is perfect intonation wise, so I don't think this was your problem.
Tune the third string a little flat and use a wound string (if on electric). It helps quite a bit.
If you play a lot of open chords all over the neck, this works great for staying in tune. If you're a power chord and lead guy, this neck won't matter much.
Hi, This idea has been around for some time. I saw a guitarist called Sayit Dolen playing a Washburn with this neck at a pub in Boras in Sweden about 6 years go. There is a nice video on UA-cam of him playing a song called Happy using a Washburn with the true temperament neck
I may have missed it in the video but other than the novelty factor, what's the advantage? Does it make it the neck more precise as you go down? Is chord fingering easier? Not sure what the point is. Cool demo though.
These true temperament neck are super awesome, but I can imagine fretwork to be an absolute NIGHTMARE.
thankfully theyre stainless steel and not nickel
it probably took the extra 5 months to level and polish those wonky frets. That would be tedious.
I had a Warmoth body and neck with these TT frets. They don't feel any different than regular frets. And you don't really notice the sound unless you're just letting chords ring out and you wanna hear extra high harmonic notes that come from things being so in tune with each other.
I ultimately sold the guitar when I needed the money, no fault of its own. Would love to find it again.
Bought through Warmoth but also had issues. The frets ended up gold without me asking. But it matched the rest of the guitar so maybe they assumed I'd like that. It was fine other than the gold scratched off after not a lot of string bending.
I'm old school and ain't that good at guitar and probably wouldn't notice the difference. What I do like is it's visual appeal. It's really pleasing to look at.
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Seems like I can hear lots of the notes being a smidge flatter than usual, which kinda glues chords together better...gives it all a completely different feel. I'm having trouble adjusting one of my guitars lately because the octaves are perfect but the first frets are sharp. The neck you're showing makes perfect sense to me.
Have your neck looked at for a bow, twist, etc. Also check all your frets are leveled and crowned. Should fix your issue if it's truly intonated correctly
@@micemr76 Thanks. I refretted it myself and they're correct, the neck has a slight bow which I'm getting ready to address. I'm wondering if the new nut I installed is too high. I'll check the string clearance at the nut.
@Zen I learned something new! Thanks.
@@choimdachoim9491 if your first few frets play out of tune, then the nut slots are cut too high.
@@216trixie thanks. I was surprised last night to see how much nut-files cost.
I actually like the locking tuners WITHOUT the big ugly and heavy knob. That's why I generally don't use them. I like these.
Darrell, you have not mentioned how to intonate the guitar with this crooked frets. Also the nut (open position) is flat, and so must be the saddles, if the frets compensate for the intonation? Also you should have played some blues with big bends and would be interesting to see the results!! Nice work!