So happy you are addressing and re-enforcing over-over method. I'm dumbfounded how many "experienced" crew keep on thinking that over-under is the 'proper" way for stingers, and will even argue with me when I ask them to do over-over when working with my gear / Sprinter. Worst is when I am tempted to ask my "boss", the DP, who proudly exhibits his over-under skills, wrapping my stingers, but I hold back, not wanting to undermine being asked to work with them again. Recently I was gaffer and provided most lighting and grip to a small feature, and due to an accident breaking my foot on set, I was not able to be there for final pack. They packed the cable with mud on them, and in trying to clean them, I had to undo the tangle that happened from over-under, and rewrap dozens of stingers, which took several times longer than just wrapping it properly to begin with. Also amazed how many crew say they were "taught" to wrap stingers over-under in school or while learning on sets.
The key wording is: so that it's not fighting itself. If that means going under after going over. That's okay. For the most part if it's an untwisted cord then over over will be fine. This is the third or fourth video I've watched on the topic. Another one use the wording; keep it from becoming twisted. I described it as: not having tension on or within the cord. I hope this helps when you're teaching others in the future.
I run over under for everything, old habit from my years in theater where it was mostly XLR or stagepin. I really like the Leviton light up connectors for my stingers. quick way to know both ends are hot.
I was told if it transmits Data or is Coaxial than it goes over-under. and yes, over over on film sets, and start from the male end when you can so you dont drag the male end and scratch/damage location or your stingers
When I’m wrapping Dmx cable on set I always ask whoever’s cable it is how they like it wrapped. I feel like the answer is most often over-over. 🤷♂️ I feel in that case however the owner wants it is the right way.
I like #8 sash- it’s just cheap cotton rope. I attach it with a clove hitch and then I secure it with colored electrical tape. Yellow for 25’, red for 50’ is my system.
For more delicate cables like bnc and dmx, it is easier on the inner wires. Heavy duty cables like these don’t need that extra caution. Every time I do an AV job their 12/3 stingers are wrapped over/under. It’s a difference of standards between industries.
@@PancakeLighting Ive been chewed to death about this subject. Another has told me its because if you think about how that cable was constructed and how it was packaged, the cables come off of a spool, so really you are trying to help keep the cables natural curve which help the cable stay in good condition. Over under (as much as I love that more) twist and turn the copper on the inside so the cable starts to twist and bunch up which can eventually lead to breaks. So its a matter of keeping the cables in good condition, which means more rentals over the lifetime of the cable. Just wanted to share what ive learned. Nice vid Logan
I’m from the stills world, and we’ve mostly been told Over-Under too. Cables seems to lay flatter, and splay out easier when over-under. Granted, my experience with over-over is limited- I wonder if they have the same benefits (usability wise) that over-under does? Can you simply plug in at the wall, lay the coil down on the ground and walk the end across the room? Or do you end up with a mess / a bunch of trip hazards? Do you end up having to twist the cable a few times to make it lay flat?
Usually we would drop the coil at the bottom of the light and walk the plug over to the outlet because we want to have the extra near the light in case we need to move it again- you’re just pulling cable from the top of your pike and not dragging the whole cable across set. When I built my stingers and the cable was new it needed to be twisted a few times to lay flat. As they’ve gotten worn in they mostly lay flat as they are uncoiled. It doesn’t bunch up in a mess if it’s coiled neatly.
Man, I could watch you coil cables all day! That was oddly relaxing 😅
You got it! For a day rate and a plane ticket I can coil cables all day 😂😂
So happy you are addressing and re-enforcing over-over method. I'm dumbfounded how many "experienced" crew keep on thinking that over-under is the 'proper" way for stingers, and will even argue with me when I ask them to do over-over when working with my gear / Sprinter. Worst is when I am tempted to ask my "boss", the DP, who proudly exhibits his over-under skills, wrapping my stingers, but I hold back, not wanting to undermine being asked to work with them again. Recently I was gaffer and provided most lighting and grip to a small feature, and due to an accident breaking my foot on set, I was not able to be there for final pack. They packed the cable with mud on them, and in trying to clean them, I had to undo the tangle that happened from over-under, and rewrap dozens of stingers, which took several times longer than just wrapping it properly to begin with. Also amazed how many crew say they were "taught" to wrap stingers over-under in school or while learning on sets.
The key wording is: so that it's not fighting itself. If that means going under after going over. That's okay. For the most part if it's an untwisted cord then over over will be fine. This is the third or fourth video I've watched on the topic. Another one use the wording; keep it from becoming twisted. I described it as: not having tension on or within the cord. I hope this helps when you're teaching others in the future.
Thanks for the love, sir! You are a scholar and a gentleman :)
I run over under for everything, old habit from my years in theater where it was mostly XLR or stagepin. I really like the Leviton light up connectors for my stingers. quick way to know both ends are hot.
I do like those light up connectors!
Sweet! wish I woulda had a video like this when I was starting out!
Thanks Alex! I’m taking content ideas- what else do you wish you’d have known?
Glad someone finally made a good video on this. Lots of misinfo out there
Thank you Landon! Appreciate the feedback
I was told if it transmits Data or is Coaxial than it goes over-under. and yes, over over on film sets, and start from the male end when you can so you dont drag the male end and scratch/damage location or your stingers
When I’m wrapping Dmx cable on set I always ask whoever’s cable it is how they like it wrapped. I feel like the answer is most often over-over. 🤷♂️ I feel in that case however the owner wants it is the right way.
Great Information. Thanks.
You’re welcome! Appreciate the comment
Nice
Thanks!
What material do you use for the tie cord? And how is it attached. Also do you just use gaffing tape to color code your cable?
I like #8 sash- it’s just cheap cotton rope. I attach it with a clove hitch and then I secure it with colored electrical tape. Yellow for 25’, red for 50’ is my system.
@@PancakeLighting Thank you for the info.
@@poucedeleon cheers!
What do you use for color coding? Is that electrical tape?
Yes indeed, colored E tape. Yellow for 25’ Red for 50’
What is the benefit of wrapping over-over rather than over-under?
For more delicate cables like bnc and dmx, it is easier on the inner wires. Heavy duty cables like these don’t need that extra caution.
Every time I do an AV job their 12/3 stingers are wrapped over/under. It’s a difference of standards between industries.
@@PancakeLighting Ive been chewed to death about this subject. Another has told me its because if you think about how that cable was constructed and how it was packaged, the cables come off of a spool, so really you are trying to help keep the cables natural curve which help the cable stay in good condition. Over under (as much as I love that more) twist and turn the copper on the inside so the cable starts to twist and bunch up which can eventually lead to breaks. So its a matter of keeping the cables in good condition, which means more rentals over the lifetime of the cable. Just wanted to share what ive learned. Nice vid Logan
@@GripTips Touche! Thanks Dave that is a much better reason than "This is the industry standard" Thanks for sharing and helping us all learn!
I’m from the stills world, and we’ve mostly been told Over-Under too. Cables seems to lay flatter, and splay out easier when over-under.
Granted, my experience with over-over is limited- I wonder if they have the same benefits (usability wise) that over-under does? Can you simply plug in at the wall, lay the coil down on the ground and walk the end across the room? Or do you end up with a mess / a bunch of trip hazards? Do you end up having to twist the cable a few times to make it lay flat?
Usually we would drop the coil at the bottom of the light and walk the plug over to the outlet because we want to have the extra near the light in case we need to move it again- you’re just pulling cable from the top of your pike and not dragging the whole cable across set.
When I built my stingers and the cable was new it needed to be twisted a few times to lay flat. As they’ve gotten worn in they mostly lay flat as they are uncoiled. It doesn’t bunch up in a mess if it’s coiled neatly.
I worked with some NY 52 electrics and they called them singles. Haha
Ive heard about this phenomenon and I find it quite interesting!