"...the Östergotland popped his smoke..." Think that one through again Jingles. Also, I would not recommend using the Smolensk style broadsiding method with the minotaur as it has more than enough armour to arm even 18" shells. He just got very unlucky with the dispersion on those volleys.
I was "the other Mino" on the opposing team and it was my smoke. I popped my smoke and farmed the Vermont for a while. We lost but I had a decent game.
I played Vermont one day, and someone on my team said "Why would anyone ever play Vermont?" I said, "It has the accuracy of Slava, and punishing power of Shikishima... when it hits....." As I get a Dev Strike on a Roon, 24 seconds into the game "Oh..." replied my teammate
@@bell3287 It can tank HE shells just fine. Which is what smaller ships typically fire at a battleship knowing that their AP shells won't do shit. And it has 40% torpedo protection.
The ONLY State I'm aware of that has a peculiar piece of architecture called a "Witches Window" in their houses. Probably my favorite New England State for sheer outdoor beauty.
Actually Jingles.... Tillman didn't design the battleships, he just ordered the bureau of construction to draw them up as "maximum battleships". And I do believe that the need to balance them cut down on some of the ridiculousness when they ended up in world of warships. I don't see no sextuple sixteen inch gun mounts.
Funny thing about that. The Congressional Record isn't publicly available from 1914 (when Tillman first tried to get a design order for these ships), so nobody really knows why he ordered them. He was very vocally opposed to spending money on battleships.
@@FlintTD Oh, that's answered. See Naval Historian Dracknifel. Basically, Tillman hated spending money on battleships because they would come up EVERY YEAR incrementally. (We have a size 8 battleship, but now we need a size 9 battleship. Next year we'll need to plan a size 10.) So he said: "You know what? Let's cut out these expensive middle steps, design me the maximum sized battleship we can squeeze into the Panama Canal so you'll stop bringing me proposals for BBs only marginally larger than the last, every freakin' year." That's what the Tillman design studies were for. See, the problem was that at the time, battleships were an arms race. Every country that could was trying to build bigger and better than what was in the water at the time. Tillman was understandably annoyed at this, very expensive, unmentionables-waving contest.
It'd be hilarious if Tillman IV with sextuple 16" gun turrets and 19" belt armor was added as an American "totally not Tier 11" supership. Or the much simpler to implement Tillman IV-2, which would simply take Vermont and add a section of the hull between the superstructure and the aft turrets to add a fifth 18" triple. Removing that section is how Wargaming created Vermont.
Correction: it was designed *_for_* a guy who knew nothing about battleships. Basically, Senator Tillman was looking over budget proposals for the US navy and was getting frustrated with the fact that the Navy was asking for ever-higher budgets in order to build bigger and bigger battleships. So he decided to see if it was economically feasible to simply build the biggest thing the navy could ask for, bigger than anything they could build docks for for at least a decade, and thus preempt their requests for more pocket change. The Navy, seeing this as their best shot at actually getting a decent budget out of the famously tight-arsed Congress, gave him the biggest thing they could come up with. He looked over what they gave him, decided it might go over well with Congress, and presented it... right before the US entered WW1. No surprise that went nowhere!
Drach video was a bit to be blunt bad in my opinion ( he brushes over the fact the congress as a whole voted the design studies for it) he is a better video in my opinion ua-cam.com/video/DwoIqFfvc7g/v-deo.html
@@loganb7059 I like Drach, and he is one of the best youtube historians out there, but I tend to take his opinions of American government with a grain of salt because it always seems to be "Americans are idiots when they are careful with their money but are the greatest when they spend without a care for tomorrow." He seems hard-pressed to get over the fact the Americans never took their fleet as seriously as the British took the Royal Navy, and as a ship enthusiast, he keeps grumbling a bit too loudly when cool ships don't get made for reasons of finance. He forgives the British parliament because they rarely went more than a couple of years before they bought a new and interesting ship, but the USA could go decades between updates, meaning fewer cool ship to ogle.
I think what we can take away from the Vermont is the fact that so long as a design is great at fulfilling it's primary purpose (destroying the enemy using it's guns for a battleship), then the design is great at fulfilling the role it was designed for. And let's be fair: the engagements in World of Warships are basically optimised towards meeting a battleship's 'perfect operating conditions'. Because you don't have to worry about things such as land-based air, operating away from your bases, finding the enemy to engage them, getting within gun range of the enemy to engage them, being able to chase down the enemy to destroy them when they start fleeing... Just look at the aircraft carriers for example. Sure, they're unbalanced as they are now. But they're drastically nerfed compared to how they should be operating. After all, if an aircraft carrier is within visual range aka within the horizon of a battleship or enemy fleet... Then that aircraft carrier is WAY too close for comfort.
@@Arisudev but aren’t games meant to be fun? I don’t think anyone can seriously say carriers make the game fun. Hell, submarines are already ruining games with their bullshit, carriers have copped that flak (pun intended) ever since they were first introduced, but back then they were more balanced, considering you could actually de-plane them back then and can’t now, partly because the carrier rework pretty much nerfed AA fire, but mostly because carriers now have unlimited aircraft.
@@JoshCreepa well that's the point of my statement. In a simulator game, it's ok for CV to be OP. But in arcade, everything has to be balanced somehow. There's a reason destroyers can reload their torps unlimitedly. But CV is absolutely not balanced. You can only hope enemy CV is dumbass. If he's somewhat decent, no amount of effort can save you from being sunk.
@@Arisudev the worst part is Wargaming don’t see any issues with carriers, and there are people who think carriers are balanced. I had an incredibly long argument with a few of them in Jingles’ video titled Supreme Commander. If you look for a post by Nomad, you’ll see it.
The Östergötland finds his brave pants, pops his smoke, and starts adding to his misery :D Never change, Jingles. Edit: Also an obligatory Gneisenau bash with a picture of Bayern :DD
Also: “and I think the kills are now even between the teams”… um, really? I’m relatively sure 5=/=4… ..what’s that? My 4minute lunch break in the Salt mines now = a 5 hour shift cleaning the latrines? Ah… sh*t.
One of the best views I ever saw was in the state of Vermont. Early morning, sun rising behind the mountains, with the fog filling the valleys between three peaks! All outside of a rest stop, just this amazingly beautiful view!
Yeah I thought that when I moved there... my now ex wife said "eh you'll get used to it"... and it was one of the only things she got right... you got used to it
I remember my son playing against his friends chaos army with a lizardmen army, my son pulled off an insane amount of high rolls with a unit of skinks and routed a unit of chaos knights. That one never got lived down.
I once charged my big square unit of heavily armed black orks, led by the boss, into a single line of 10 elf archers. Rolled so many 1s on my attack and wound rolls that I didn't kill any of them. And promptly got routed. That one's never been lived down either.
I played my first games of 40k last year, my Death Guard Lord of Contagion managed to make two 6+ armor saves in a row against two Imperial Knights Shieldbreaker Missiles. Then he charged in and killed one of the behemoths in combat with his big stinky axe. I decided this mighty champion needed a name after that and he is now known as Gary, and Gary kicks some serious butt.
Had a similar event happened with a unit of bretonnian knights that charged my unit of skinks. Had so many high rolls, and the Knights had so many low rolls on their charge, that they got routed, and chased down because they will double ones to flee. Yeah, the bretonnian player sold his army within a week, saying something about "Well, I just lost to you, I can't show my face as a bretonnian player in public anymore." He then went on to play skaven and night goblins for the next seven years...
@@ACR909 Tillman didn't design the ship's, he just forced the Navy too. He wouldn't shut up about not wanting incrementally bigger ships just build the biggest possible right now.
Cheers jingles, 1:30am in aus, aussie cricket legend shane warne (warnie) died of a heart attack at 12am . Safe to say i balled me eyes out and now cant sleep. What better way to try and cheer uo then watchin some of your quality content👍🏾 RIP Warnie, His last Stumps💔 5:47 made me chuckle a bit, so did the birnie sanders joke😆
Yeah, he "rolled up" that Chaos champion. I had a friend like that, too. Weirdly, he never rolled up such a powerful character when someone else watched his rolls.
The actually Tillman battleships we’re far more insane than the Kansas, Minnesota, or Vermont. They weren’t slow, either, for the most part-most were intended to steam at around 25-26 knots with at least one version that was designed for 30ish. The most ridiculous Tillmans included BBs armed with 15 18” guns & 24 16” guns (in four turrets.) Much hash was smoked that day…
Yes, I remember the Chaos Army story, just not sure which video it was in. If I remember correctly you were lucky enough to be the first to face off against the Chaos army with your Warhammer "French" army. Which then led to your army behaving as one would expect from the French, which earned you ridicule until your friends also had to fight against the Chaos army and suffered the same fate.
@@earthenjadis8199 Well, it's a cliché that the French give up (and rund away) as soon as the slightest sign of war appears. I don't know exactly where that came from, probably because they were overrun so quickly by the Germans in World War II (and everyone forgot that France was one of the greatest military powers of the previous centuries). This creates jokes and memes like, "For sale: French rifle, never used, only dropped once." or "Why do French submarines have VLS? So they can hoist the white flag faster."
I think it was 4th edition where they would role for Gifts of Chaos and once in combat they could apply them to a champion or character. So the guy would suddenly grow another arm, a crab claw, a scorpion tail and start spitting acid and poison. Fun times. OTOH there were also items that would allow you to just freeze the guy in time. Or one of my favourite combinations. There was a High Magic spell that would cost all undead or demonic units in range the loss of a wound on 2+. The range wasn't great but there was also a spell that changed the range of all your spells to infinite. You were also high up in the air so only flyers could reach you and you were protected by a force field. Now most mages would have trouble getting those two spells off. Teclis was not most mages. Or the Slann.
The start of this video with the Vermont was just loaded with memes and giggles. Classic Jingles. These WOWS videos of Jingles are currently the thing that keeps me going and helps me forget about everything. Thank you Jingles
As an American, I nearly spewed my drink when Jingles accurately stated, "You haven't heard of the great state of Vermont? That's okay, most Americans haven't either." The widespread ignorance in my country of our own geography is hilariously appalling. We may have bested the Brits to become our own country all those centuries ago, but the Brits will always have a good laugh at our expense, and this is but one of many reasons why :P
Tillman wasn't involved much in designing the "Tillman Battleships" he was just a large driving force behind the request for the US Navy Bureau of Construction and Repair to come up with "Maximum Battleship" designs.
well. is that not the purpose of a battleship in a war of warships? just throw the biggest guns with the biggest shells you can fit onto a vessel that floats, that the nation can provide, and hope it hits something. insert HMS hood vs Bismarck. with the 5th salvo from the battleship sinking it to the bottom of the ocean in 3 minutes or was it 5? went down fast
I think the line IS the weapons. Ships are just really big and techy hunks of metal made to carry weapons around. Doesn't matter if it's slow, questionably armored, and visible from low orbit, if it has weapons built to fight God, then it's probably a decent ship when you can use it right.
When I heard jingles say the name Chester a Arthur I got really excited. Not only do I know who he is I'm writing an extensive college essay about the man right now. He's a truly interesting president who helped make the union into what it is today. Although I must agree with jingles most Americans probably have never heard of President Arthur.
He transformed the Executive Branch from running on political patronage to merit-based civil service, helped by the fact that his predecessor, Garfield, was shot by a disappointed office-seeker. And the fact that he knew he was too ill to run for re-election meant he could burn all his political capital to do it.
If I recall Drachinifel's excellent episode on the Kriegsmarine's Z Plan, the Kriegsmarine drew up some 'Tillman'-style conceptual designs for battleships that could conceivably carry a main battery of 508mm (20-inch) guns. I foresee Wargaming creating them.
I always loved playing against those broken Chaos armies with my Dwarfs. I'll never forget a tourney game at GenCon (Milwaukee!) where my opponent looked on in horror as his doom stack of Chaos Knights+Lord/Champions got absolutely deleted by an Organ gun shooting down their length. Life lesson learned: Add more Organ guns
PS everyone share jingles vids everywhere, Jingles deserves a million subs for his wonderful content and we want him well funded when he moves into new place eventually 😘
My roommate Brian had "the great bear" in his chaos army. We all hated fighting against that darn thing. He routed my space wolves marines in our first fight, that
Jingles explaining how the Vermont is a terrible ship reminds me of my assessment of the Stuer Emil in War Thunder ground forces. Open top, lightly armored, practically no gun traverse, hardly any gun elevation or depression, slow to maneuver and slow in general, very low ammo capacity, long reload time... .... the >only< thing going for it is that big honking 125mm gun strapped to the center of the thing. Everything else makes it dreadful... yet I still enjoy playing it from time to time much like how I assume Vermont captains enjoy playing their Vermonts from time to time.
Actually Jingles, only Minnesota and Vermont are based on the Tillman designs. Kansas is based on the South Dakota class that was abandoned due to the Washington Naval Treaty. _(Shotgun Noises)_
Actually TheUnknownOne, both Minnesota and Kansas were based on the South Dakota plans. I'd also argue that Vermont is not really based on the Tillman plans, as all of those designs were significantly more heavily armed and faster than Vermont in game, including IV-2 on which Vermont is "based". Also there were obviously no plans in the 1910s to equip a 457mm mkA, as the gun did not exist.
4:19 the most dangerous thing that an Incomparable can do, is to get AT ALL spotted during the first few minutes of a battle. Lots of hungry battleships waiting to do plunging fire.
Maybe not a completely flawless comparison, but I see ships like this (Vermont; great guns but terrible platform) as an equivalent to things like the Jagdtiger or FV4005 in WoT. If they didn't have terrifying guns, they'd likely be unplayable, but because they _do_ there's still the "oh shit" factor that makes them slightly less terrible vehicles.
To be fair to the jagd (which I love) the top flat plate does work well enough at bouncing shots from non-tank destroyers if you can find a spot to hide your side and hull when angling. Like Ferdinand to a lesser degree at tier 8
Typically pitadel is reserved for when you’ve been shooting a broadsiding ship forever without getting any citadel hits, and the game finally gives you a citadel when there’s only 1-2k up left. In this case he had already slapped the Mino for two cits so it doesn’t entirely apply!
You have a number of facts wrong about the history of the Tillman designs. They weren't designed by Tillman, he requested them from the Navy. The plans were expressly designed with existing infrastructure in mind, and were technically sound, albeit being overkill. In fact, the plans were updated and reconsidered in 1934, with significant interest and intent in building the ships.
I actually like the USS Kansas. It's got an armor belt on the bow. It bow tanks like a boss. I'm also a weirdie and like the Standard BB speeds. I play aggressively and and fight for caps in my Battleships.
Scharnhorst at the start really said "No u" to the Skane. Also I apparently have cousins in Vermont. Never seen them so I'm convinced that they don't exist.
Seeing this video, hearing your laugh, and ludicrous rant on ancient games, and yes, slanting the Gneisenau again, convinces me this video was made about half way down a good bottle of wine!. Jingles, Never change!.
That was _Newhart._ _The Bob Newhart Show_ was made in the '70s and set in Chicago... although the last episode of _Newhart_ did reveal that the whole series was just one very long episode of _The Bob Newhart Show,_ so I guess technically you're correct. And we all know that's the best kind of correct. :)
Growing up in New England, all I knew about Vermont was that's where the best maple syrup comes from, and it's slightly V-shaped to avoid getting in confused with New Hampshire. That's about it xD
Gotta give it to my man jingles, perpetuating the myth that Vermont is weak or there is now real reason to play it makes it really satisfying everytime I take it out. Apparently people simply dont see it as a threat, which is just wonderful. One of my best winrate ships without having to try too much :D
As a Welshman, I have heard of Chester A. Arthur as the 21st President of the United States. 'Ask yourself this question John, what is 21 out of 42?' It's a plot point in Die Hard III as one of simons riddles, and one of the truck drivers John meets and hi-jacks gives him the answer just before he drives off.
Jingles, Vermont was one of the original players in the Rev War. Played a leading role in in a couple of points in that war. And yes, it took them a few years to decide to join the rest in the United States.
I am, in fact from Vermont, and I can verify that nobody knows about Vermont. Unless they're talking about our maple syrup. I've met people from New York who don't even know where Vermont is. Even had a friend on Playstation when I was younger that thought there were 52 states and didn't know Vermont existed. What were the other 3 states? Who knows? But nobody knowing about Vermont is kind of great, it's not crowded, not polluted, and such a beautiful state.
I love the Warhammer story, because I played fantasy battles whereas I have never played world of warships (I just enjoy jingles' commentary). And with a Warhammer story I can be the Steven Rodgers "I got that reference!" Meme
I was waiting for you to mention Bernie, I'm pretty sure the connection to the much-more-vocal senator is the only reason I've heard the state of Vermont mentioned in the past 5 years. And I've been in Canada at high enough elevation, close enough to the border, to have SEEN Vermont with my own eyes in that time!
Actually Jingles, almost everybody in the world heard of Chester A. Arthur. It was included in "Die Hard 3" movie... As trivia question and as the school with the fake bomb inside. So... basically everybody with an access to TV happen to hear it at some point of his life. :D
If the Mino had come around the other side of that island, she'd have been able to stay out of sight while launching 2 straight fire salvos of torps. Vermouth is a Mino captain's wet dream in sniper mode. Nothing better than watching 8 toros all on the same line head for the same destination and a line of holes appearing along the waterline.
Actually Jingles, almost everyone has heard about Chester A Arthur. He was the solution to the riddle from the "Die Hard with a Vengeance" movie, starring our favourite anti-heroe, John McLane.
Hey Jingles, I'm born raised and still live in Vermont! I will admit we are under the radar.. What we do have is beautiful undeveloped land, clean air, and the lowest violent crime rate in The Union. Lot better than most places can say right now, come visit some time!
Jingles talking about a good ship with bad guns. The entire Pasta BB's rolling over, crying as they sink into the sea of misery that is their existence.
im American and i had to google the location and it all makes sense now. its one of those north east states that everyone forgets exist because its pretty much Canada.
Achtualli Jingles, Chester A. Arthur is one of the few presidents who people not following politics know, because school named after him was featured in Die Hard 4.
I heard a different story about the Tillman designs, because the US Navy was always asking for bigger battleships he told them to design the largest battleships that could be built in the US and used by the Navy, hence the designation MAXIMUM Battleships
I'm from Vermont and when my Dad was in the US Navy he was asked where he was from and he said Vermont and the guy next to him asked him very seriously what state that was in
Jingles! Though I am not from Vermont, I am from nearby and Vermont has some rather appealing things about it. It's a small state known for it's skiing in the winter and it's rolling green (small) mountains covered in beautiful forests (great hiking) in the summer which in the fall go through the very famous New England foliage transformation, turning everything brilliant yellows, oranges and reds. It is also littered with small, charming farms and cottages and is a great place to get maple syrup. You've probably gathered that it is a state known for its outdoors, which it is. But it is so much more. Pot! Ok, not so much anymore but before the decriminalization of marijuana in a lot of the US, Vermont was a little more known for it's stoners and people going to U of Vermont would get a look and a little smirk. "oh, UVM, huh? Gotcha. Wink wink." But it does retain a laid-back feel. And of course you mentioned the glorious Bernie Sanders, though I wouldn't say he's sleepy. Old but not at all sleepy. He's never lost the fire in his belly for fighting for human rights and has tirelessly worked for decades to try (with mixed success) to save America from itself. He's one of the only politicians in the US who it is impossible to find legitimate dirt on. He has maintained an ethical code and put it into his work without allowing it to be compromised. If you ever find yourself in the northeast of the US and could use a quiet weekend away from it all, VT is a good place to look.
How about the fact Bernie is a vocal socialist that is something pretty damning as socialism has created some of the worst regimes in the last century:
@@emberfist8347 No. For one he isn't a vocal socialist. He is an advocate for incorporating some aspects of socialism into the way the US does things in order to curb predatory capitalism and provide fro basic human rights and needs. Second, the system of socialism didn't create those regimes. Men of low ethics who were power hungry, took control and perverted the state apparatus to create these regimes. Those nightmares aren't that way because of socialism but in spite of it. In many cases they started socialist and then became autocratic while still using socialist messaging. Stalin is the classic example. Trotsky wrote about it when he wrote The Revolution, Betrayed. Democratic socialism works. Look at Northern Europe where many nations as social democracies and they have the highest standard of living and are the happiest people on earth. Socialism certainly is used as a weapon against Sanders because people in the US still buy 70 year old Cold War propaganda. So simply saying "socialism," a few times can tank a campaign. But remove that word and just describe the policies and they are extremely popular. They famously did this on Fox News and it backfired when fox viewers loved the policy ideas.
@@thedavescloop Except human rights aren't being violated in the United States and those Northern European countries aren't socialist as they use free market economies. And there are far more taxes there as a result of the policies there.
I read in the comments one of Tillman’s proposal had 24 16 inch guns. I want to play that. I would name it the USS Boom Box. Or officially it could be designated the Rhode Island as Georgia and Alaska are already taken so I think it would be best they used the smallest state for a ship 24 16 inch guns.
“the Ostergotland popped his smoke….”. I’m laughing so hard, it hurts. And btw, if you want real maple syrup for pancakes, then you know Vermont. Keep it up sir.
In relation to the Chaos Champion being a one man army, Total War WH3's Khorne faction has a similar character, Skarbrand. I have, shit thee not, put that dude against two twenty unit armies and he WON handily and only lost half his health because how strong he gets. I gave him the nickname of The World Breaker. Aptly named.
I think we should track how many times Jingles slams the gneisenau. I swear he’s dogged at that ship in almost every WoWs video recently. The poor ship… you might hurt it’s feelings Jingles!
Okay, this is an off topic comment - sorry. Ah, sweet nostalgia. 5th Edition Warhammer Fantasy - or "Hero Hammer" as it was known. Then 6th Edition arrived and sanity was restored. I too had a Chaos army with a Lord with the weapon of ultimate killing and the underpants of ultimate protection. Happy days.
I have heard the Ben & Jerry's ice cream company is based in Vermont. They make some of the best ice cream in the world with flavors such as Phish Food, Brownie Batter Core, Peanut Butter Fudge Core, Half-baked, and Chocolate Therapy. You should try some because I highly recommend this brand.
First clip makes me happy. CQE is just so fun... Also, fun aside, my first CQE was in the Pensacola. Still not entirely sure how it happened, but it was fun.
The people from Vermont won't get to mad at you. Now if you start talking about their syrup or cheese you might get a fiery package or two. Also at 9:22 I love it when he shoots you are watching and even a person like who only barely played warships knew that it was going to hurt
lol - you mentioning Warhammer brought back a few memories - I remember play-test Warhammer Battle system when I worked for GW in the 80's - though I wasn't involved in Chaos - I was more involved with the Warhammer Roleplaying system + the Talisman board game development
"...the Östergotland popped his smoke..." Think that one through again Jingles. Also, I would not recommend using the Smolensk style broadsiding method with the minotaur as it has more than enough armour to arm even 18" shells. He just got very unlucky with the dispersion on those volleys.
I was just about to comment on that.... 🤣🤣🤣
I was going to say the same thing. From the map and volume of incoming fire it looks like it was actually their other minotaur.
I was "the other Mino" on the opposing team and it was my smoke. I popped my smoke and farmed the Vermont for a while. We lost but I had a decent game.
He does that on purpose..🤔🤔 doesn't he??
Yeah great Jingles moment again..DDDD
I played Vermont one day, and someone on my team said "Why would anyone ever play Vermont?"
I said, "It has the accuracy of Slava, and punishing power of Shikishima... when it hits....."
As I get a Dev Strike on a Roon, 24 seconds into the game
"Oh..." replied my teammate
reported for cheating :) 24 seconds might be the shell traveltime at max range. but you have reload first..
@@sebastianh.9440 this is true I may have exaggerated a bit when typing my comment 😅 but still, as soon as I was reloaded and ready to fire, I did 😂
To be fair, at no point did you claim the USS Vermont could take a hit.
@@bell3287 It can tank HE shells just fine. Which is what smaller ships typically fire at a battleship knowing that their AP shells won't do shit. And it has 40% torpedo protection.
As someone who lives in Vermont… fair.
It's ok youre not alone. Navada, Wyoming, and New Mexico all get the same treatment so rest easy🙃
The ONLY State I'm aware of that has a peculiar piece of architecture called a "Witches Window" in their houses. Probably my favorite New England State for sheer outdoor beauty.
I have heard of Vermont many, many times in my six and a half decades. It's a small state, but certainly not unknown.
You do have the Ben and Jerry's ice cream factories
@@CaramelMeako breaking bad
“The Ostergotland has popped his smoke” *squints at the absolute volume of 152 AP shells coming out of said smoke*
18:14 "Yes we're talking about the Gneisenau again" *show the Bayern* Never change Jingles
Actually Jingles.... Tillman didn't design the battleships, he just ordered the bureau of construction to draw them up as "maximum battleships". And I do believe that the need to balance them cut down on some of the ridiculousness when they ended up in world of warships. I don't see no sextuple sixteen inch gun mounts.
Tillman II and Tillman IV, Panama maximum BBs. What fun those would be to see creeping along.
Funny thing about that. The Congressional Record isn't publicly available from 1914 (when Tillman first tried to get a design order for these ships), so nobody really knows why he ordered them. He was very vocally opposed to spending money on battleships.
@@FlintTD
Oh, that's answered. See Naval Historian Dracknifel. Basically, Tillman hated spending money on battleships because they would come up EVERY YEAR incrementally. (We have a size 8 battleship, but now we need a size 9 battleship. Next year we'll need to plan a size 10.) So he said: "You know what? Let's cut out these expensive middle steps, design me the maximum sized battleship we can squeeze into the Panama Canal so you'll stop bringing me proposals for BBs only marginally larger than the last, every freakin' year."
That's what the Tillman design studies were for. See, the problem was that at the time, battleships were an arms race. Every country that could was trying to build bigger and better than what was in the water at the time. Tillman was understandably annoyed at this, very expensive, unmentionables-waving contest.
@@atigerclaw Make those tier 11 American BBs with autoloader special ability.
It'd be hilarious if Tillman IV with sextuple 16" gun turrets and 19" belt armor was added as an American "totally not Tier 11" supership. Or the much simpler to implement Tillman IV-2, which would simply take Vermont and add a section of the hull between the superstructure and the aft turrets to add a fifth 18" triple. Removing that section is how Wargaming created Vermont.
I always love it when Jingles has a "put the crack pipe down old man" story. It's sure to be an entertaining few minutes.
Correction: it was designed *_for_* a guy who knew nothing about battleships.
Basically, Senator Tillman was looking over budget proposals for the US navy and was getting frustrated with the fact that the Navy was asking for ever-higher budgets in order to build bigger and bigger battleships. So he decided to see if it was economically feasible to simply build the biggest thing the navy could ask for, bigger than anything they could build docks for for at least a decade, and thus preempt their requests for more pocket change.
The Navy, seeing this as their best shot at actually getting a decent budget out of the famously tight-arsed Congress, gave him the biggest thing they could come up with. He looked over what they gave him, decided it might go over well with Congress, and presented it... right before the US entered WW1. No surprise that went nowhere!
What? A smart politician?
@@warnock0721 no. Not a smart politician. Look up Drach’s video on the Tillman battleships.
@@loganb7059 Here is said video's link
ua-cam.com/video/zvGL5ozHSCA/v-deo.html
Drach video was a bit to be blunt bad in my opinion ( he brushes over the fact the congress as a whole voted the design studies for it) he is a better video in my opinion ua-cam.com/video/DwoIqFfvc7g/v-deo.html
@@loganb7059 I like Drach, and he is one of the best youtube historians out there, but I tend to take his opinions of American government with a grain of salt because it always seems to be "Americans are idiots when they are careful with their money but are the greatest when they spend without a care for tomorrow." He seems hard-pressed to get over the fact the Americans never took their fleet as seriously as the British took the Royal Navy, and as a ship enthusiast, he keeps grumbling a bit too loudly when cool ships don't get made for reasons of finance. He forgives the British parliament because they rarely went more than a couple of years before they bought a new and interesting ship, but the USA could go decades between updates, meaning fewer cool ship to ogle.
I think what we can take away from the Vermont is the fact that so long as a design is great at fulfilling it's primary purpose (destroying the enemy using it's guns for a battleship), then the design is great at fulfilling the role it was designed for. And let's be fair: the engagements in World of Warships are basically optimised towards meeting a battleship's 'perfect operating conditions'.
Because you don't have to worry about things such as land-based air, operating away from your bases, finding the enemy to engage them, getting within gun range of the enemy to engage them, being able to chase down the enemy to destroy them when they start fleeing...
Just look at the aircraft carriers for example. Sure, they're unbalanced as they are now. But they're drastically nerfed compared to how they should be operating. After all, if an aircraft carrier is within visual range aka within the horizon of a battleship or enemy fleet... Then that aircraft carrier is WAY too close for comfort.
I agree with you, but this is an arcade game, not a simulator.
@@Arisudev but aren’t games meant to be fun? I don’t think anyone can seriously say carriers make the game fun. Hell, submarines are already ruining games with their bullshit, carriers have copped that flak (pun intended) ever since they were first introduced, but back then they were more balanced, considering you could actually de-plane them back then and can’t now, partly because the carrier rework pretty much nerfed AA fire, but mostly because carriers now have unlimited aircraft.
@@JoshCreepa I started playing carriers for the RTS aspect. I hate the rework.
Submarines are cringe. Boring. They are not fun for either party.
@@JoshCreepa well that's the point of my statement. In a simulator game, it's ok for CV to be OP. But in arcade, everything has to be balanced somehow. There's a reason destroyers can reload their torps unlimitedly. But CV is absolutely not balanced. You can only hope enemy CV is dumbass. If he's somewhat decent, no amount of effort can save you from being sunk.
@@Arisudev the worst part is Wargaming don’t see any issues with carriers, and there are people who think carriers are balanced. I had an incredibly long argument with a few of them in Jingles’ video titled Supreme Commander. If you look for a post by Nomad, you’ll see it.
The Östergötland finds his brave pants, pops his smoke, and starts adding to his misery :D
Never change, Jingles.
Edit: Also an obligatory Gneisenau bash with a picture of Bayern :DD
This was right after 9:34 too.
*dmg goes from 128,000 to 173,000*
Jingles: "A cheeky 70 thousand damage!" 🤣🤣
@@iambiggus Yeah, devstriking a Roon for 70k :D
"Edit: Also an obligatory Gneisenau bash with a picture of Bayern :DD"
Yeap, it is jingles, after all, miss-identifying ships is a given perk
I literally came to make this comment about the gneisenau. But knew someone had to beat me to it😄
Also: “and I think the kills are now even between the teams”… um, really? I’m relatively sure 5=/=4…
..what’s that? My 4minute lunch break in the Salt mines now = a 5 hour shift cleaning the latrines? Ah… sh*t.
One of the best views I ever saw was in the state of Vermont.
Early morning, sun rising behind the mountains, with the fog filling the valleys between three peaks! All outside of a rest stop, just this amazingly beautiful view!
Yeah I thought that when I moved there... my now ex wife said "eh you'll get used to it"... and it was one of the only things she got right... you got used to it
I remember my son playing against his friends chaos army with a lizardmen army, my son pulled off an insane amount of high rolls with a unit of skinks and routed a unit of chaos knights. That one never got lived down.
I once charged my big square unit of heavily armed black orks, led by the boss, into a single line of 10 elf archers. Rolled so many 1s on my attack and wound rolls that I didn't kill any of them. And promptly got routed. That one's never been lived down either.
I played my first games of 40k last year, my Death Guard Lord of Contagion managed to make two 6+ armor saves in a row against two Imperial Knights Shieldbreaker Missiles. Then he charged in and killed one of the behemoths in combat with his big stinky axe. I decided this mighty champion needed a name after that and he is now known as Gary, and Gary kicks some serious butt.
Had a similar event happened with a unit of bretonnian knights that charged my unit of skinks. Had so many high rolls, and the Knights had so many low rolls on their charge, that they got routed, and chased down because they will double ones to flee.
Yeah, the bretonnian player sold his army within a week, saying something about "Well, I just lost to you, I can't show my face as a bretonnian player in public anymore."
He then went on to play skaven and night goblins for the next seven years...
And now back to real life...
@@ashleg8350 You know you've truly won if someone sells their army afterward xD
I think you have a few facts wrong about the Tillman designs. Drach has a really good video on the subject.
Drach has a really good video on everything he covers.
@@vinnyganzano1930 very true
No one cares
I care, mind pointing out specifically what was wrong in this video?
@@ACR909 Tillman didn't design the ship's, he just forced the Navy too. He wouldn't shut up about not wanting incrementally bigger ships just build the biggest possible right now.
Cheers jingles, 1:30am in aus, aussie cricket legend shane warne (warnie) died of a heart attack at 12am . Safe to say i balled me eyes out and now cant sleep. What better way to try and cheer uo then watchin some of your quality content👍🏾
RIP Warnie, His last Stumps💔
5:47 made me chuckle a bit, so did the birnie sanders joke😆
Yeah, he "rolled up" that Chaos champion.
I had a friend like that, too. Weirdly, he never rolled up such a powerful character when someone else watched his rolls.
The actually Tillman battleships we’re far more insane than the Kansas, Minnesota, or Vermont. They weren’t slow, either, for the most part-most were intended to steam at around 25-26 knots with at least one version that was designed for 30ish. The most ridiculous Tillmans included BBs armed with 15 18” guns & 24 16” guns (in four turrets.) Much hash was smoked that day…
I would play a battleship with 24 16 inch guns. You can’t have enough gun.
the american way more dakka
15 18 inch guns...The recoil on that broadside would be something to witness.
Yes, I remember the Chaos Army story, just not sure which video it was in. If I remember correctly you were lucky enough to be the first to face off against the Chaos army with your Warhammer "French" army. Which then led to your army behaving as one would expect from the French, which earned you ridicule until your friends also had to fight against the Chaos army and suffered the same fate.
Sorry... what does one expect of the French?
@@earthenjadis8199 90% taxes. (In WHFB of course.)
@@earthenjadis8199 Well, it's a cliché that the French give up (and rund away) as soon as the slightest sign of war appears. I don't know exactly where that came from, probably because they were overrun so quickly by the Germans in World War II (and everyone forgot that France was one of the greatest military powers of the previous centuries).
This creates jokes and memes like, "For sale: French rifle, never used, only dropped once." or "Why do French submarines have VLS? So they can hoist the white flag faster."
I think it was 4th edition where they would role for Gifts of Chaos and once in combat they could apply them to a champion or character.
So the guy would suddenly grow another arm, a crab claw, a scorpion tail and start spitting acid and poison.
Fun times.
OTOH there were also items that would allow you to just freeze the guy in time.
Or one of my favourite combinations. There was a High Magic spell that would cost all undead or demonic units in range the loss of a wound on 2+. The range wasn't great but there was also a spell that changed the range of all your spells to infinite. You were also high up in the air so only flyers could reach you and you were protected by a force field.
Now most mages would have trouble getting those two spells off. Teclis was not most mages. Or the Slann.
@@earthenjadis8199 - The guillotine.
I always love the way jingles explains things lmao. I laughed when he said he might get sued by garbage when comparing it to Vermont lol
I don't know how Jingles equips his Roon to give it 70.000 hitpoints, but I'm sure a lot of players would really like to know his secret!
The start of this video with the Vermont was just loaded with memes and giggles. Classic Jingles. These WOWS videos of Jingles are currently the thing that keeps me going and helps me forget about everything. Thank you Jingles
As an American, I nearly spewed my drink when Jingles accurately stated, "You haven't heard of the great state of Vermont? That's okay, most Americans haven't either." The widespread ignorance in my country of our own geography is hilariously appalling. We may have bested the Brits to become our own country all those centuries ago, but the Brits will always have a good laugh at our expense, and this is but one of many reasons why :P
At 12:40 "The Östergötland finds his Brave Pants and smokes up"......
Ahh Jingles please never Change :D
Actually Jingles, at 13:50 that's the Östergotland torp, based on the spread and dmg.
The mino torp comes after.
Tillman wasn't involved much in designing the "Tillman Battleships" he was just a large driving force behind the request for the US Navy Bureau of Construction and Repair to come up with "Maximum Battleship" designs.
Ah, the battleship whose sole gimmick is to hit people really, really hard with one volley. Well, it's fun when it works!😅
well. is that not the purpose of a battleship in a war of warships? just throw the biggest guns with the biggest shells you can fit onto a vessel that floats, that the nation can provide, and hope it hits something.
insert HMS hood vs Bismarck. with the 5th salvo from the battleship sinking it to the bottom of the ocean in 3 minutes or was it 5? went down fast
Vermont! Home of three of the best things in the USA (in my opinion) - Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream, Phish, and Bernie Sanders.
I think the line IS the weapons. Ships are just really big and techy hunks of metal made to carry weapons around. Doesn't matter if it's slow, questionably armored, and visible from low orbit, if it has weapons built to fight God, then it's probably a decent ship when you can use it right.
When I heard jingles say the name Chester a Arthur I got really excited. Not only do I know who he is I'm writing an extensive college essay about the man right now. He's a truly interesting president who helped make the union into what it is today. Although I must agree with jingles most Americans probably have never heard of President Arthur.
I know about him because of the third die hard movie :p
President Arthur is in the third die hard movie?
Hehe na he's part of a riddle that leads to a bomb at a school. the school in question is named after Chester a Arthur.
He transformed the Executive Branch from running on political patronage to merit-based civil service, helped by the fact that his predecessor, Garfield, was shot by a disappointed office-seeker. And the fact that he knew he was too ill to run for re-election meant he could burn all his political capital to do it.
Most Americans (myself included) don't know more than about a dozen presidents.
It's great to hear you enjoying yourself so much, we need more of this in the world right now. Cheers!
If I recall Drachinifel's excellent episode on the Kriegsmarine's Z Plan, the Kriegsmarine drew up some 'Tillman'-style conceptual designs for battleships that could conceivably carry a main battery of 508mm (20-inch) guns.
I foresee Wargaming creating them.
I always loved playing against those broken Chaos armies with my Dwarfs. I'll never forget a tourney game at GenCon (Milwaukee!) where my opponent looked on in horror as his doom stack of Chaos Knights+Lord/Champions got absolutely deleted by an Organ gun shooting down their length. Life lesson learned: Add more Organ guns
vermont is very famous for when the leaves change color,it used to be popular when there was less to do in life and more traveled to see the sights.
PS everyone share jingles vids everywhere, Jingles deserves a million subs for his wonderful content and we want him well funded when he moves into new place eventually 😘
My roommate Brian had "the great bear" in his chaos army. We all hated fighting against that darn thing. He routed my space wolves marines in our first fight, that
Jingles explaining how the Vermont is a terrible ship reminds me of my assessment of the Stuer Emil in War Thunder ground forces.
Open top, lightly armored, practically no gun traverse, hardly any gun elevation or depression, slow to maneuver and slow in general, very low ammo capacity, long reload time...
.... the >only< thing going for it is that big honking 125mm gun strapped to the center of the thing. Everything else makes it dreadful... yet I still enjoy playing it from time to time much like how I assume Vermont captains enjoy playing their Vermonts from time to time.
Actually Jingles, only Minnesota and Vermont are based on the Tillman designs. Kansas is based on the South Dakota class that was abandoned due to the Washington Naval Treaty.
_(Shotgun Noises)_
Actually TheUnknownOne, both Minnesota and Kansas were based on the South Dakota plans. I'd also argue that Vermont is not really based on the Tillman plans, as all of those designs were significantly more heavily armed and faster than Vermont in game, including IV-2 on which Vermont is "based". Also there were obviously no plans in the 1910s to equip a 457mm mkA, as the gun did not exist.
Not gonna lie, Jingles, I got excited when you said the words "Kirk's Chaos Champion".
I remember that episode of Mingles, it's one of my favorites!
4:19 the most dangerous thing that an Incomparable can do, is to get AT ALL spotted during the first few minutes of a battle. Lots of hungry battleships waiting to do plunging fire.
Rudyard Kipling lived in Vermont for a number of years. A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition.
Maybe not a completely flawless comparison, but I see ships like this (Vermont; great guns but terrible platform) as an equivalent to things like the Jagdtiger or FV4005 in WoT. If they didn't have terrifying guns, they'd likely be unplayable, but because they _do_ there's still the "oh shit" factor that makes them slightly less terrible vehicles.
To be fair to the jagd (which I love) the top flat plate does work well enough at bouncing shots from non-tank destroyers if you can find a spot to hide your side and hull when angling. Like Ferdinand to a lesser degree at tier 8
Accuracy by volume at its finest 👌. He's planting a whole lot of red white and blue woods this battle.
Did I hear correctly, Jingles calling the last citadel on the Minotaur a "pitydel". 😂
yes
Yep that is what he always calls them when the last batch of shells will kill the ship regardless, WG gives a citadel... hence "pitadel"
It's a common word among WoWS community members
Typically pitadel is reserved for when you’ve been shooting a broadsiding ship forever without getting any citadel hits, and the game finally gives you a citadel when there’s only 1-2k up left. In this case he had already slapped the Mino for two cits so it doesn’t entirely apply!
@@stefanocrosazzo3262 And it's super hilarious :D
You have a number of facts wrong about the history of the Tillman designs. They weren't designed by Tillman, he requested them from the Navy. The plans were expressly designed with existing infrastructure in mind, and were technically sound, albeit being overkill. In fact, the plans were updated and reconsidered in 1934, with significant interest and intent in building the ships.
Another great video mate :D Intro was like a 70's cop show hahaha
I actually like the USS Kansas. It's got an armor belt on the bow. It bow tanks like a boss.
I'm also a weirdie and like the Standard BB speeds. I play aggressively and and fight for caps in my Battleships.
Kansas is one of those ships when people laugh at you and don’t take you seriously, you suddenly get 8 full pens.
Scharnhorst at the start really said "No u" to the Skane.
Also I apparently have cousins in Vermont. Never seen them so I'm convinced that they don't exist.
I was hoping for a replay featuring the Chaos Marine captain that was a limited time offer that would scream out at everything for corn.
That's Khorne not corn. One is a death obsessed maniac. The other is a delicious vegetable.
@@clothar23 Gotcha. Khorne's a delicious vegetable and the lil yellow pod thing in Oklahoma is a death obsessed maniac.
@@jessegd6306 You see normally there would be a biting remark here..but Chaos is...Chaos.
Time to purge the cornfields.
I split out my soda when jingles said "most Americans have never heard of Vermont"
Jingles: “Haha yes, the Gneisenau is awful.”
*Shows a picture of a ship that is clearly not a Scharnhorst class*
Oh Jingles, never change
Was searching right for this coment😂✊
correct me if i am wrong but it looked like a Bayern to me
@@blownaway9187 It does look like it, the “Modernised” version.
I love the Scharnhorst even though people give it so much hate.
Having a BB with torps allows me to ultra aggressive at its tier.
a ship that is just as terrible tho
I enjoyed the "Kirk's Chaos Champion" story keep them coming
Seeing this video, hearing your laugh, and ludicrous rant on ancient games, and yes, slanting the Gneisenau again, convinces me this video was made about half way down a good bottle of wine!. Jingles, Never change!.
That was _Newhart._ _The Bob Newhart Show_ was made in the '70s and set in Chicago... although the last episode of _Newhart_ did reveal that the whole series was just one very long episode of _The Bob Newhart Show,_ so I guess technically you're correct. And we all know that's the best kind of correct. :)
Of course I've heard of Vermont. I just always think it's in Canada.
Vermont is an incredible state. Maple Syrup, Mountains, and it’s incredibly beautiful.
Your videos help make the day bright and happy. Thank you.
Growing up in New England, all I knew about Vermont was that's where the best maple syrup comes from, and it's slightly V-shaped to avoid getting in confused with New Hampshire. That's about it xD
It does a 69 with New Hampshire.
Fantastic music on the opening, Jingles!😎
Gotta give it to my man jingles, perpetuating the myth that Vermont is weak or there is now real reason to play it makes it really satisfying everytime I take it out. Apparently people simply dont see it as a threat, which is just wonderful. One of my best winrate ships without having to try too much :D
As a Welshman, I have heard of Chester A. Arthur as the 21st President of the United States.
'Ask yourself this question John, what is 21 out of 42?'
It's a plot point in Die Hard III as one of simons riddles, and one of the truck drivers John meets and hi-jacks gives him the answer just before he drives off.
Vermonter here, can confirm. Maple syrup, more cows than people, and a weird accent. You nailed it Jingles.
Jingles, Vermont was one of the original players in the Rev War. Played a leading role in in a couple of points in that war. And yes, it took them a few years to decide to join the rest in the United States.
Thanks for including my clip as the teaser. Well done.
There are days I need Jingles laugh 👍
I am, in fact from Vermont, and I can verify that nobody knows about Vermont. Unless they're talking about our maple syrup. I've met people from New York who don't even know where Vermont is. Even had a friend on Playstation when I was younger that thought there were 52 states and didn't know Vermont existed. What were the other 3 states? Who knows? But nobody knowing about Vermont is kind of great, it's not crowded, not polluted, and such a beautiful state.
Most Brits have never heard of Rutland.
and I can't recollect us ever naming a ship after Rutland too.
I remember the first time you told the Chaos Champion story.. Still just as hilarious, never thought of the Vermont like that until now
I love the Warhammer story, because I played fantasy battles whereas I have never played world of warships (I just enjoy jingles' commentary). And with a Warhammer story I can be the Steven Rodgers "I got that reference!" Meme
Jingles, you gawn feel the Bern!!!
That was great. The Gneisenau dig at the end gave me a good belly laugh!
I was waiting for you to mention Bernie, I'm pretty sure the connection to the much-more-vocal senator is the only reason I've heard the state of Vermont mentioned in the past 5 years. And I've been in Canada at high enough elevation, close enough to the border, to have SEEN Vermont with my own eyes in that time!
Ostergotland have smoke?!? Uncle jingles on it again 🤣😂
Epic musical choice for that opening clip
Actually Jingles, almost everybody in the world heard of Chester A. Arthur. It was included in "Die Hard 3" movie... As trivia question and as the school with the fake bomb inside. So... basically everybody with an access to TV happen to hear it at some point of his life. :D
If the Mino had come around the other side of that island, she'd have been able to stay out of sight while launching 2 straight fire salvos of torps. Vermouth is a Mino captain's wet dream in sniper mode. Nothing better than watching 8 toros all on the same line head for the same destination and a line of holes appearing along the waterline.
You know what a catcher's mitt is? I'm impressed, I barely know what a wicket is.
I feel like this ship was named ironically considering how damn small Vermont actually is
Such a delightful video and commentary. Well done!
Actually Jingles, almost everyone has heard about Chester A Arthur. He was the solution to the riddle from the "Die Hard with a Vengeance" movie, starring our favourite anti-heroe, John McLane.
Hey Jingles, I'm born raised and still live in Vermont! I will admit we are under the radar.. What we do have is beautiful undeveloped land, clean air, and the lowest violent crime rate in The Union. Lot better than most places can say right now, come visit some time!
Jingles talking about a good ship with bad guns. The entire Pasta BB's rolling over, crying as they sink into the sea of misery that is their existence.
im American and i had to google the location and it all makes sense now. its one of those north east states that everyone forgets exist because its pretty much Canada.
Yeah, Rhode Island's another one, and Maine. The only reason anyone's heard of Maine is because of Stephen King.
Achtualli Jingles, Chester A. Arthur is one of the few presidents who people not following politics know, because school named after him was featured in Die Hard 4.
I heard a different story about the Tillman designs, because the US Navy was always asking for bigger battleships he told them to design the largest battleships that could be built in the US and used by the Navy, hence the designation MAXIMUM Battleships
I'm from Vermont and when my Dad was in the US Navy he was asked where he was from and he said Vermont and the guy next to him asked him very seriously what state that was in
Today I learned the word "pitadel". Thank You Jingles.
Jingles! Though I am not from Vermont, I am from nearby and Vermont has some rather appealing things about it. It's a small state known for it's skiing in the winter and it's rolling green (small) mountains covered in beautiful forests (great hiking) in the summer which in the fall go through the very famous New England foliage transformation, turning everything brilliant yellows, oranges and reds. It is also littered with small, charming farms and cottages and is a great place to get maple syrup. You've probably gathered that it is a state known for its outdoors, which it is. But it is so much more. Pot! Ok, not so much anymore but before the decriminalization of marijuana in a lot of the US, Vermont was a little more known for it's stoners and people going to U of Vermont would get a look and a little smirk. "oh, UVM, huh? Gotcha. Wink wink." But it does retain a laid-back feel. And of course you mentioned the glorious Bernie Sanders, though I wouldn't say he's sleepy. Old but not at all sleepy. He's never lost the fire in his belly for fighting for human rights and has tirelessly worked for decades to try (with mixed success) to save America from itself. He's one of the only politicians in the US who it is impossible to find legitimate dirt on. He has maintained an ethical code and put it into his work without allowing it to be compromised. If you ever find yourself in the northeast of the US and could use a quiet weekend away from it all, VT is a good place to look.
How about the fact Bernie is a vocal socialist that is something pretty damning as socialism has created some of the worst regimes in the last century:
@@emberfist8347 No. For one he isn't a vocal socialist. He is an advocate for incorporating some aspects of socialism into the way the US does things in order to curb predatory capitalism and provide fro basic human rights and needs. Second, the system of socialism didn't create those regimes. Men of low ethics who were power hungry, took control and perverted the state apparatus to create these regimes. Those nightmares aren't that way because of socialism but in spite of it. In many cases they started socialist and then became autocratic while still using socialist messaging. Stalin is the classic example. Trotsky wrote about it when he wrote The Revolution, Betrayed. Democratic socialism works. Look at Northern Europe where many nations as social democracies and they have the highest standard of living and are the happiest people on earth. Socialism certainly is used as a weapon against Sanders because people in the US still buy 70 year old Cold War propaganda. So simply saying "socialism," a few times can tank a campaign. But remove that word and just describe the policies and they are extremely popular. They famously did this on Fox News and it backfired when fox viewers loved the policy ideas.
@@emberfist8347 the colon with nothing after it is a delightful and poetic way to let everyone know you are talking out of your ass
Agreed, Vermont is a helluva nice place. I'll pass on the winters though.
@@thedavescloop Except human rights aren't being violated in the United States and those Northern European countries aren't socialist as they use free market economies. And there are far more taxes there as a result of the policies there.
I watched that show while stationed in Germany in 80's, only show we could get on AFN
Petition to add the Courageous class cruisers to the Game. Including the 18 inch setup of the HMS Furious.
Model will include 10% friendly fire damage every time you shoot. Every pink player dream.
I read in the comments one of Tillman’s proposal had 24 16 inch guns. I want to play that. I would name it the USS Boom Box. Or officially it could be designated the Rhode Island as Georgia and Alaska are already taken so I think it would be best they used the smallest state for a ship 24 16 inch guns.
“the Ostergotland popped his smoke….”. I’m laughing so hard, it hurts.
And btw, if you want real maple syrup for pancakes, then you know Vermont.
Keep it up sir.
In relation to the Chaos Champion being a one man army, Total War WH3's Khorne faction has a similar character, Skarbrand. I have, shit thee not, put that dude against two twenty unit armies and he WON handily and only lost half his health because how strong he gets. I gave him the nickname of The World Breaker. Aptly named.
I think we should track how many times Jingles slams the gneisenau. I swear he’s dogged at that ship in almost every WoWs video recently. The poor ship… you might hurt it’s feelings Jingles!
Okay, this is an off topic comment - sorry. Ah, sweet nostalgia. 5th Edition Warhammer Fantasy - or "Hero Hammer" as it was known. Then 6th Edition arrived and sanity was restored. I too had a Chaos army with a Lord with the weapon of ultimate killing and the underpants of ultimate protection. Happy days.
I have heard the Ben & Jerry's ice cream company is based in Vermont. They make some of the best ice cream in the world with flavors such as Phish Food, Brownie Batter Core, Peanut Butter Fudge Core, Half-baked, and Chocolate Therapy. You should try some because I highly recommend this brand.
First clip makes me happy. CQE is just so fun... Also, fun aside, my first CQE was in the Pensacola. Still not entirely sure how it happened, but it was fun.
The people from Vermont won't get to mad at you. Now if you start talking about their syrup or cheese you might get a fiery package or two. Also at 9:22 I love it when he shoots you are watching and even a person like who only barely played warships knew that it was going to hurt
I love these battleship matches, so satisfying!
You forgot the ice cream guys, Ben and Jerry.
Jingles' WoWs videos are my lullaby
lol - you mentioning Warhammer brought back a few memories - I remember play-test Warhammer Battle system when I worked for GW in the 80's - though I wasn't involved in Chaos - I was more involved with the Warhammer Roleplaying system + the Talisman board game development
The example of Vermont that you proffered was the one I would have mentioned as a reminder. That or Maple Syrup.