Yamaha Montage vs. MODX - Sound Comparison (Pianos)

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  • @SoundsAndGear
    @SoundsAndGear  6 років тому +6

    My vocal dropped out in a few places in this video so I re-uploaded the video. Watch it here with no dropouts: ua-cam.com/video/zmVLnnPaPko/v-deo.html

  • @kevink9365
    @kevink9365 5 років тому +123

    My ears slightly prefer the Montage. My wallet greatly prefers the MoDX.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  5 років тому +7

      I feel you!

    • @kurleys
      @kurleys 5 років тому +2

      Kevin K 😂😂😭 I was thinking the same thing

    • @vinishamahajan2429
      @vinishamahajan2429 4 роки тому +1

      Only for the price

    • @arifmuhammad434
      @arifmuhammad434 4 роки тому

      @@SoundsAndGear does modx come with all MOXF8?, thank you in advance

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  4 роки тому

      @@arifmuhammad434 I think so but not sure

  • @DROBIN6549
    @DROBIN6549 5 років тому +20

    I closed my eyes and turned away from the screen and only used my ears. I could not tell the difference.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  5 років тому

      Nice! Thanks for watching.

    • @northnyanga7532
      @northnyanga7532 5 років тому +1

      David Robinson I love your comment so much man...

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  5 років тому

      @@northnyanga7532 Thanks for watching!

  • @hrvojesindik8101
    @hrvojesindik8101 4 роки тому +17

    Great video ! :) Montage sound fuller and dynamic of fsx is better BUT when you have drummer and guitarist with big 100w marshal amp behind you .. you will not hear the difference :) modx is great for live gigs !

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  4 роки тому +1

      Thanks for watching and I agree with everything you said! MODX is a great deal for sure!

    • @l.knaturfilm9878
      @l.knaturfilm9878 3 роки тому

      Both have exactly the same Sound Engine...where do you hear a difference😂😂😂

    • @hrvojesindik8101
      @hrvojesindik8101 3 роки тому

      @@l.knaturfilm9878 et home on monitors there is no big difference but live.. modx is soo thin Then i tried montage.. much better output and much better eq ..

    • @ErraticFaith
      @ErraticFaith 3 роки тому +1

      Well for what it’s worth I use them in live and studio performance. A montage 7 vs my own junior version. There’s not a discernible enough difference to matter at all. For the PP and role I use it for (non-primary) the money saved is best invested elsewhere. Weight is a key consideration on a satellite.

  • @danielbelik
    @danielbelik 3 роки тому +13

    For me as a gigging musician the weight factor is much more important than elusive sound difference which anyway will be lost in most of live sound setups.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  3 роки тому +2

      yep, that's why they made it

    • @st8kout961
      @st8kout961 2 роки тому

      I agree, with a band the audience will never hear the difference between these two. If you play just for personal enjoyment and/or recording, you want the best sound possible, regardless of price.

  • @Ibantar
    @Ibantar 6 років тому +6

    At the time of my post, I'm about 5:30 into the video. I cannot tell that much difference between the two to spend the huge gap in cost for the Montage. I had a Motif ES7 prior to my house fire earlier this year and my entire studio was destroyed. So I've been replacing gear over the last few months and one thing in particular I was looking at was getting a Montage since the Motif was no longer available. But honestly after viewing this video, I think I'm going with a MODX-7. Now I would prefer balanced outs but it's not the crucial for me. As usual, thanks for a REAL LIFE look at these keyboards. You were THOROUGH enough for me!!!

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  6 років тому +1

      Thanks for watching fam, glad to help, just trying to share the info in the same way I would test by myself (and did lol)

    • @NatLifeSounds
      @NatLifeSounds 6 років тому +3

      u right man - a slight difference isnt a reason to pay in 3 times more for Montage.

  • @theredfaceofficial
    @theredfaceofficial 6 років тому +11

    Good job on the comparison bro...I feel they are close enough to each other. I’m definitely getting a MODX6...and I’ll run it through some analog outboard to get some extra drive / depth that the PAC might be adding to the Montage. Overall I think the MODX sounds great and almost the same as the Montage. Sometimes it’s hard to tell them apart. Keep up the good work!

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  6 років тому +2

      I totally agree, with the difference in price you can even get a dedicated outboard unit, as long as someone is ok with the keyed I think they will be fine. I prefer the feel of the keyboard on the Montage personally but it is hard to front on what you get in the MODX package.

    • @NatLifeSounds
      @NatLifeSounds 6 років тому +1

      i have same idea, to get a MODX and just use a great saturation plugin that can even saturate the sounds richer than in Montage, i think it's the idea :)

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  6 років тому

      Nice!

    • @theredfaceofficial
      @theredfaceofficial 6 років тому +1

      Yeah it will definitely work. Anything with a quality drive / amp stage will add something positive to the final output of the MODX! Outboard gear with transformers and tubes will sound great no doubt.

    • @NatLifeSounds
      @NatLifeSounds 6 років тому

      that is the way :)

  • @patricksaxon3983
    @patricksaxon3983 5 років тому +6

    I decided on my MODX8 over the Montage, because they sound the same, cost much less and weighs much less. I am mostly going to use it for piano sounds and along with it, my Roland VR-09 Combo organ.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  5 років тому

      Nice! Enjoy!

    • @nicolasarianos9731
      @nicolasarianos9731 5 років тому

      How about the keybed? Are you like it? It's good for playing piano....? Thanks

  • @blueslsd
    @blueslsd 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks for taking the time to level match, so important. Many thanks.

  • @DLogan-br7eh
    @DLogan-br7eh 5 років тому +2

    Well, as with most lower-end synth models they offer the most of the character of the flagship and at stage volume 'who cares'. As long as it resembles its bigger brother it won't drive you crazy and there's so many instruments happening in a full band situation most people just won't care about the difference.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  5 років тому +1

      That will definitely be the way many people look at it, MODX is a great board!

  • @hussmeister792
    @hussmeister792 3 роки тому +3

    I frequency analyzed your performance with high end Sony headphones and a meter and the difference is so miniscule there really is no difference that the ear can decipher. Maybe the slight difference is that the Montage has after-touch were as the MODX has standard touch when physically hammering the keys. The performance sound play is internal and identical. Fuji apple or mcintosh apple? Thanks great demo!

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for watching, difference is very small, probably more due to the keybed response/interaction than anything.

  • @jazzzman1000
    @jazzzman1000 8 місяців тому

    Thanks for this. Check out the CK series. I have a CK-61 and a Modx6 plus here, the CK samples sound much cleaner, and clearer. The ModX sounds muddy, and bassy by comparison. The ModX has more effects on the stock piano sounds.

  • @Jake5577
    @Jake5577 4 роки тому +2

    Thank you for the comparison! I'm going to save my pennies and get the Montage. The better sound quality and keyboard are worth waiting for me.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  4 роки тому

      Thanks for watching! They actual keybed definitely feels better imo.

    • @anthonyrock5039
      @anthonyrock5039 3 роки тому

      I waited and searched for a used Montage 6. I just missed the sale of one 😩 then I lucked out and won the sale of a used Montage 7! Such a great deal vs a new Modx8

  • @taskerpro944
    @taskerpro944 5 років тому +2

    The difference I hear is in the "ambiance" or sound fx (like reverb). The Montage sounds a bit cleaner and more realistic. I almost want to say that (strictly in comparison) the MODX has some digital artifacting present.
    This seems to be most noticeable as the sound decays / at the tail length of the sound. As others have mentioned this may be due to the quality of DA converters, or some other DSP signal processing component(s).

    • @taskerpro944
      @taskerpro944 5 років тому

      It's got 8 LFO's, 3 Noise Gates, 4 MIDI outputs, 76 Trombones, and a Toaster.
      I'd buy any of them.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  5 років тому +1

      Yeah, I know what you mean, you can definitely hear a more "live" or "present" feel to some of the sounds in the tail and overall space reproduced.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  5 років тому +1

      LOL, I hear ya!

  • @digitaldiezel5870
    @digitaldiezel5870 6 років тому +2

    I think in the studio, recording audio clips, the difference is negligible, but if you are playing on stage or you play very complex recordings live you may want the Montage. Other than that, polyphony would only become an issue if a person tried to midi up 8 channels and play them all back at the same time. I'd just record audio clips into a DAW. And I don't really play the keys, I would just be sending midi into the board like a sound module. (side note: check the master EQ on both boards)

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  6 років тому

      Yeah I hear ya, I've used both in the studio simply recording audio and both get the job done. I do like actually playing on the Montage more, and in isolation you can hear a slight difference on some sounds, but in the mix with other sounds and audio it's not a huge deal at all. I haven't even come close to hitting the polyphony limit, I don't play that many notes at once, I guess if I was sequencing it or had a super stacked sound it could be possible but for the most users the engines are the same.

  • @dynoroad
    @dynoroad 3 роки тому +1

    Bigger difference than I thought there would be, I guess output quality plays a bigger role than I wanted to admit.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  3 роки тому

      I think the keybed dynamics play a big part also

    • @dynoroad
      @dynoroad 3 роки тому

      @@SoundsAndGear Yeah, I think you're right about that.

  • @mattsynth
    @mattsynth 6 років тому +2

    They sound the same to me unless you are nitpicking. Not worth twice the price unless you must have dual analog outputs. The MoDX is a winner to me.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  6 років тому

      They are very close for sure, if you're looking for the sounds/engines in smaller and lighter package I think the MODX will work for a lot of people.

    • @BluesCat1980
      @BluesCat1980 5 років тому +1

      @@SoundsAndGear They both have the same sound engine and the same exact sounds.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  5 років тому +1

      @@BluesCat1980 There are other differences between them that impact the sound. The point of these videos to to show how close they are.

  • @MS-oy3gq
    @MS-oy3gq Рік тому

    Thanks for the upload !

  • @markquavertune2003
    @markquavertune2003 5 років тому +2

    Thank you . There are not many videos about how to get Cubase to play the montage from the piano roll .I listened through presonus studio monitors .Could hear some subtle difference .

  • @Jose-xb6st
    @Jose-xb6st 4 роки тому +2

    Montage sounds are more real than MODX. The aftertouch is too good on the Montage as well of the guitar sounds. Now if you travel a lot, its better the MODX because of the weight. I have the Montage 7 for home and I'm planning on getting a MODX6 for church.

  • @theaudioeng
    @theaudioeng 6 років тому +5

    Montage is clearly a higher fidelity output (as expected at twice as much!). Putting aside the lesser quality keybed of the MODX6/7/8, it'll be simply the DAC's soldered in as mentioned by Yamaha - like with all the pro features of the Montage ... you get what you pay for, right? I've got the MODX6 but use my GEM S3 Turbo 76-key as master (has Poly AT which the MODX range responds too, though not S3's release velocity :/ ). So effectively, I've bought an expensive 'desktop' synth/controller!! :)

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  6 років тому

      Nice! Yeah, there are definitely ways around the keybed, etc. MODX is definitely powerful for what it is.

    • @leamonstubbs3949
      @leamonstubbs3949 6 років тому

      the audio eng ....facts that’s the best way to capture high quality tones from your keyboard

  • @EZWest-om4nu
    @EZWest-om4nu 6 років тому +1

    Thank you fam!

  • @northnyanga7532
    @northnyanga7532 5 років тому +1

    This is a very important to watch before spending money on these keyboards.

  • @eedleate
    @eedleate 5 років тому +1

    Would've liked to have seen weighted keybeds in both boards. Makes a difference.

  • @YotamPiano
    @YotamPiano 6 років тому

    cool vid bro. I am getting Montage 8 delivered tommorow! sadly will only able to play it from wednsday or so onwards, cause I am still waiting for my desk and stand to arrive haha. Can't wait, and the hype is real!!! This is a dream keyboard

  • @Jake_Bars
    @Jake_Bars 5 років тому

    Thanks cuz! Very helpful 😀

  • @LavenderIvory
    @LavenderIvory 5 років тому

    simultaneous effect number
    MODX : 27
    montage : 34
    natural analog circuit
    MODX : X
    montage : O
    polyphony
    MODX : 128 stereo AWM2 + 64 FM-X
    montage : 128 stereo AWM2 + 128 FM-X
    performances
    MODX : approx. 2,000
    montage : approx. 2,700
    assignable outputs
    MODX : X
    montage : O
    aftertouch
    MODX : X
    montage : O
    DAW remote control
    MODX : X
    montage : O
    USB audio in/out
    MODX : 2 returns/10 sends
    montage : 6 returns/32 sends

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  5 років тому

      Yep, depends on what is important to the user. Aftertouch is a huge one for some people, others may not care. Remote control may matter to some people where others never use it. I think they did a good job providing a lower tier model with the same type of synth engines and features while not totally gutting the Montage of it's value.

    • @LavenderIvory
      @LavenderIvory 5 років тому

      @@SoundsAndGear Yes. In addition, modx seems to be more optimized for live performance, and in terms of cost and weight, but sound quality is similar to montage, which is a powerful advantage.
      On the other hand, the control function of multi-part tone, especially the modx or montage, and the problem of managing multi-part tone MIDI channel in DAW is a very serious issue.
      - from KOREA (I'm poor at english lol) -

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  5 років тому

      Yeah MODX is definitely aimed at live/gigging usage with it's size and weight.

  • @stellijer
    @stellijer 3 роки тому +1

    But isn't the modx8 kb supposed to be a bit closer to the montage than the smaller versions?

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  3 роки тому

      It's weighted if that's what you mean, I haven't used the 88 key version of either one.

    • @stellijer
      @stellijer 3 роки тому

      @@SoundsAndGear yes, I've heard the modx8 is actually more weighted than the 6,7 etc. But I haven't personally tried them.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  3 роки тому

      @@stellijer Yeah, it's fully weighted, the 6 and 7 are not.

    • @ErraticFaith
      @ErraticFaith 3 роки тому

      Keybed is for player use / preference. You shouldn't be viewing them on spec like that. Since the application is not the same.

    • @stellijer
      @stellijer 3 роки тому

      @@ErraticFaith I'm not sure what you mean "viewing them on spec," but my attempt is to get opinions from serious piano players, which keyboards they enjoy playing the most, from the perspective of the feel and response of the keys themselves. In other words, which ones feel and perform most like a real grand piano.

  • @terrellgott1150
    @terrellgott1150 4 роки тому +4

    The Yamaha Montage is $3,000 so I’m considering just getting either the Yamaha MODX8 or the Roland FA08.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  4 роки тому

      Nice, can't go wrong with either in my opinion

  • @followyourpassion8378
    @followyourpassion8378 3 роки тому +2

    Great comparison! Just a few thoughts regarding the missing velocity layer. Is it possible that you are just (involuntarily) putting more weight into your strokes on the Montage, because for the MODX you have to reach up? Are the velocity curves set to the same value (normal, soft, ...) on both units? Over the years, I often had problems reaching velocity values over 100 with Yamaha keyboards, when triggering external gear.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for watching. The keybeds are different and respond differently, I'm not playing any differently on them.The response can be adjusted or it can be played from a different keyboard but that does add to the difference in response overall.

    • @followyourpassion8378
      @followyourpassion8378 3 роки тому

      @@SoundsAndGear Thank you, that is very helpful.

    • @collinpople1076
      @collinpople1076 2 роки тому +1

      I'm switching from Modx6 to Montage 7 because its very hard to play things, especially pianos and Electric Pianos, with any kind of dynamic control on the MODX 6/7 keybeds. Even after changing the velocity settings. If you're more of a synth player it probably won't bother you so much but if the pianos and EPs are important it's more of a serious consideration and I'd say go with a MODX8 or Montage.

    • @followyourpassion8378
      @followyourpassion8378 2 роки тому

      @@collinpople1076 Bought a MODX8. Playing piano on it is decent. Had also a Motif XF6 and a MOXF6. The Motif keybed was very good, even piano parts were doable.

  • @markchristopher2signal2
    @markchristopher2signal2 5 років тому

    I’m drooling over le Montage. I’m into digital synths

  • @neoison4915
    @neoison4915 6 років тому +1

    They do sound different now that you point it out. It's like the sample layers are less on the modx . Maybe it was done purposely to set them apart. Maybe it's inferior ssd / ram in the modx . Some people complain the modx cuts out during demo playback.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  6 років тому

      Yeah there's a slight difference. I think it's a combination of the PAC and keybed. However, I haven't had any issue with drop outs when using the demo/audition feature.

  • @anthonyrock5039
    @anthonyrock5039 3 роки тому

    Thank you for this. I have the dilemma that they do have different costs but ultimately, they don't break too quickly so it makes sense for me to save up for the cost difference and get the Montage as it will he further enhanced by my hardware and after touch is a great added tool for creative and natural play. It is all inspirational so I will enjoy playing and creating. The Montage 6 vs modx8 for me so.. montage it is....

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  3 роки тому

      I hear ya! Wonderful instrument indeed!

  • @garypyo603
    @garypyo603 5 років тому +1

    Montage in this mix is louder. Because of this it's little bit not correct compatible. But anyway sound of montage is richer.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  5 років тому

      I already addressed this, it's not just volume, but thanks for watching!

  • @GotYala
    @GotYala 2 роки тому

    They obviously sound different but I dont know if its because of settings...

  • @sheregibson2297
    @sheregibson2297 4 роки тому

    If there was a montage label was over the top keyboard they would sound identical. Take the sticker off they would sound different

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  4 роки тому

      Definitely close enough for most. I can hear slight differences in person, only with certain sounds, nothing huge if you're just looking for that sound engine. I prefer the actual build of the Montage personally, but I wouldn't be mad if I had the MODX, it's great!

  • @customtheatres
    @customtheatres 4 роки тому +1

    Awesome comparison. After watching this I’m definitely keeping my equipment (listed below) and not buying either of these
    Kawai MP10
    Yamaha DX7S
    Yamaha MX61
    Roland MKS-20
    Korg 01RW
    Korg N1

  • @JacobW.Høgfeldt
    @JacobW.Høgfeldt Рік тому

    I can hear the flagship Montage is best. But it’s minimal how much better it is towards the MODX.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  Рік тому +1

      I agree, for most it will not be an issue at all.

  • @BluesCat1980
    @BluesCat1980 5 років тому +2

    he Montage and the MODX have same exact sound engine in them.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  5 років тому +4

      Yep, but the hardware is different. Different keyboards, output circuitry. There's also differences with fx, polyphony, etc. People are very interested to see if those differences are easily noticeable between the two in terms of sound, in relation to the price difference between them. MODX is a winner for a lot of people.

  • @Gangl10n
    @Gangl10n 4 роки тому +1

    У Montage просто есть "Чувствительность к Дожатию", вот и динамика клавиш чувствуется больше. Вот теперь интересно сравнить клавиши у P515 и Montage

  • @giuliopizzi1179
    @giuliopizzi1179 3 роки тому

    think it is not a matter of "which sounds better" but which one do you like more, there is not better, but something you like more... both sound perfect :)

  • @babar141
    @babar141 6 років тому +1

    I think becouse the modx does not have after touch and that might b making the little difference , id probably get the modx for the price difference

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  6 років тому +1

      Yeah, I'm wondering how much the keyboard dynamics play a part. I noticed a slight difference when I first played it, and once I put them side by side you can hear it for sure. I don't know if it is all down to the keybed though some articulations seem to be missing when playing the MODX keybed vs the Montage.

  • @klovemusic159
    @klovemusic159 5 років тому +1

    Sorry but I see that you stopped the Audition not the same time, so when you test the sound, the position of the Super Knob are not the same, so that the sound of course different. But the video is very good, thanks anyway!

  • @davidg7136
    @davidg7136 6 років тому +1

    Yo SoundsAndGear I've been watching your Vida for a while they do help me choose my equipment also the comments help me too. Thank you

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  6 років тому

      Thanks for your support fam, I appreciate you!

  • @kingdomdrummer
    @kingdomdrummer 4 роки тому

    The montage gives more clarity and cleanest. Which is 3000$ but not a huge difference in sound, I hear it though. I would by the cheaper cause it's less than half the price and close to the montage sound.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  4 роки тому +1

      I hear ya! That's why I did these videos, for many the MODX is just fine!

  • @michaelmassier8766
    @michaelmassier8766 6 років тому

    Same engine, different output stages (converters and circuit topology, components, power supply for output stage) - just like 2 different soundcards or mic preamps (the cheaper is less 3D and less deep, less warm). I suspect the Montage upsamples (SRC) the audio data before output (and therefore accepts rates up to 192kHz while the MODX does not). Could be the FM engine works internally at a higher sampling rate then the outputs of the MODX supports and is not correctly filtered before the output stage (as you can hear aliasing in some other comparison video Montage vs MODX at min 1.30 - FM high register).

  • @jcpuga
    @jcpuga 3 роки тому

    To my ears, I like the MODX.
    It sounds warmer.

  • @AlexRamirez-xr2uy
    @AlexRamirez-xr2uy 6 років тому +3

    Definitely a difference. I have the modx6 and hated it after feeling the keys. Did not sound like the modx8 which I played at the store. Has to be something with the keybed because after playing the modx6 through my kawai mp7 via midi it sounded like I wanted to hear it. The heavy keys help and I imagine the keybed on the montage is much better.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  6 років тому

      Yeah, I wonder how it sounds via MIDI and if some of those dynamics show up better. Thanks for watching!

    • @leamonstubbs3949
      @leamonstubbs3949 6 років тому

      Well you know that kurzweil keyboards🎹 has one of the best velocity / sensitive touchpad to ever hit the market and with the (Roland RD ) and (Motif ES )Series w/Velocity/AfterTouch / and USB ....made it more of a competition ....!!!!! I have to say this is a Great gigging keyboard for the price 💰 for any traveling “Act” or “Musician “would appreciate the sounds of the retrograde “DX7 “🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥😌😌😌😌FM engines of the MODX ...............With all of our 3-rd Party VST native instruments logic pro tools able 10 live studio one and ominsphere New 2.5 ( upgrade ) 😩😩😩😩😋😋😋😋

  • @davidrodrigues5817
    @davidrodrigues5817 4 роки тому +1

    Motif Es, Motif Xs, Motif Xf, Modx ou Montage ?🤔

  • @antunkatona5674
    @antunkatona5674 5 років тому +2

    They sound different. If the samples are exactly the same, then the difference must be due to higher quality analog stage in the Montage. In my experience, higher quality DACs usually bring out more of the ambience and this is what I am hearing in your video. Cheers!

  • @joelmirrrrr
    @joelmirrrrr 9 місяців тому +1

    My ears no hear different and due the price the best option is modx.

  • @Isaiah-nb2hp
    @Isaiah-nb2hp Рік тому

    I wish it was a blind test

  • @TamirOrkobysPiano
    @TamirOrkobysPiano 2 роки тому

    No piano engine on both (no string resonance)

  • @chrisstrobel3439
    @chrisstrobel3439 6 років тому

    Sound identical listening on my iPad.

  • @deepakprabhuarumugam2146
    @deepakprabhuarumugam2146 4 роки тому

    Hi guyz, I do play Indian classicals with more usage of modulation joystick. I am aware that I can use external joystick as midi... Can I use external joystick for inbuilt sounds ???

  • @l.knaturfilm9878
    @l.knaturfilm9878 3 роки тому +1

    Both have exactly the same Sound Engine...where do you hear a difference😂😂😂

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  3 роки тому +1

      Have you played them both? I'm not the only one that can hear the difference. LOL. Rather it's significant enough to warrant the price difference, that's another story.

  • @rogersalles200
    @rogersalles200 2 роки тому

    Both great but there is a reason why Montage is double of the price.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for watching. What do you think the reason for double the price is?

  • @davemusic4853
    @davemusic4853 4 роки тому

    Do u need a lap top for these keys or just monitor speakers

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  4 роки тому

      You just need speakers to hook them up to

  • @elmehdioubouhouch
    @elmehdioubouhouch 3 роки тому

    they are the same but i don't if keypad is also

  • @ronaldparade2604
    @ronaldparade2604 6 років тому

    try to set audio output in 48k, 96k, 192kHz and try to play complicated performance, see the difference ?

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  6 років тому

      MODX can only to 44.1 via USB, that's another difference, the audio options available.

    • @ronaldparade2604
      @ronaldparade2604 5 років тому

      I MEAN, IF THE MONTAGE IN SET OF 96, 192 KHZ AND YOU PLAY COMPLEX TONES WITH VARIOUS FILTERS YOU WILL HEAR A DIFFERENT SOUND QUALITY WITH THE MODX. I KNOW THE MODX JUST HAVE 44 KHZ

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  5 років тому

      I was agreeing with you in terms of audio quality options.

  • @su4691
    @su4691 5 років тому

    MODX6 , Kurzweil PCK6, MOXF6, or NORD Electro D6 ??? Need to pull the trigger today , and have no chance to get my hands on none of them , please help me decide , anybody ???

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  5 років тому

      I'd say all are very different, I've used both the Moxf and Modx personally, both have great sounds, modx has the newer sound engine, Moxf is a full workstation with a full sequencer. Kurzweil is always nice and it's actually a full workstation as well. Nord is super dope but limited to specific types of sounds, however, those sounds are great. That's really a touch decision mostly based on what exactly you're looking for.

  • @rickramirez9893
    @rickramirez9893 5 років тому

    How's the MODX 88 for a primary AP board?

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  5 років тому

      I haven't used the 88 key version so I'm not sure.

  • @DDaniels3000
    @DDaniels3000 3 роки тому

    Leaning heavy on buying a used modx.. Tired of the latency problems in my Ableton rig when using synth plugins.. Modx seems the the most realistic sounds ive heard in the newest workstation..(again I would just be using it as a sound module).
    What's ur thoughts on the acoustic audio packs? I'm hopingbwithese packs I can add more realistic Rhodes/ep sounds etc.. Curious in ur take

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  3 роки тому

      Yeah I feel you! I'm a huge fan of the workstation, just straight forward and no fuss. I'm not sure what packs you're referring to?

    • @DDaniels3000
      @DDaniels3000 3 роки тому

      Been looking at there stuff all morning , apparently they collared with austicaudio for the montage and modx

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  3 роки тому +1

      @@DDaniels3000 Do you mean Acousticsamples?

    • @DDaniels3000
      @DDaniels3000 3 роки тому

      @@SoundsAndGear my bad , I’m horrible with the typos.. but yea that’s the company.. curious if they are good ext

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  3 роки тому +1

      @@DDaniels3000 Yeah, I've used them for years, they have some dope libraries.

  • @BaymondRell
    @BaymondRell 5 років тому

    Do you lug the Montage around?

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  5 років тому

      No, I'm not a live player/musician so for me it is only home studio use

  • @qasion
    @qasion 4 роки тому

    I am surprised that these companies still make these keyboards. The age of Plugins will knock them out completely in the near future :-)

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  4 роки тому +1

      I don't think so. Instruments will always have a place, people have been saying that for years.

    • @qasion
      @qasion 4 роки тому

      @@SoundsAndGear Classical instruments of course will be there forever,,I am talking digital ones. Plugins are really getting insane in their capabilities.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  4 роки тому +2

      @@qasion Plugins are awesome for sure, but keyboards, synths, etc will not be replaced. Not everyone wants to use a computer/software, some like to use both as well. There's room for it all in my opinion!

    • @qasion
      @qasion 4 роки тому

      @@SoundsAndGear Roger that my friend.

    • @GenosGlory
      @GenosGlory 3 роки тому

      Have you seen any Pro Studio only use Plugins to make big hits?

  • @alancummings5651
    @alancummings5651 3 роки тому

    They have the same sound engines.

  • @EduardoDuarte
    @EduardoDuarte 3 роки тому

    O montage tem um som um pouco mais definido e pesado que o MODX. A yamaha nunca expõe totalmente as configs de sua tecnologia. Diz usar o mesmo motor, mas no final o resultado é diferente. Percebe-se isso nas linhas de 88 teclas. Geralmente tem o som melhor que as 61 e 76 da mesma série.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  3 роки тому

      Definitely a difference in the keybed and how it interacts with the sound engine

  • @grehivinespinoza1076
    @grehivinespinoza1076 3 роки тому

    For me it sounds basically the same….

  • @calebrabion
    @calebrabion 4 роки тому

    The Montage is slightly better in my opinion.

  • @JAY-tb5qh
    @JAY-tb5qh 5 років тому

    They are really the same keyboard the only difference is the feel and polyphony and buttons

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  5 років тому

      Thanks for watching. Pretty close, not the same, but close enough for most people.

  • @damondrobinson3313
    @damondrobinson3313 5 років тому +2

    Wouldn't the the "Pure Analog Circuit (PAC)" that the Montage has sweeten the sound if using the regular outputs ? thanks for the demo S&G

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  5 років тому

      Thanks for watching! Yeah, that's part of the reason for the comparison, to see if there's a noticeable difference.

    • @damondrobinson3313
      @damondrobinson3313 5 років тому

      @@SoundsAndGear Thanks !!! I wasn't sure if you were using USB audio which is probably identical on both , I prefer the analogue outs for a bit of warmth and you can clearly hear some extra body with the Montage when using these !

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  5 років тому +1

      Yeah, I'm not hooking this up to my computer for recording so no need for the USB for me really. I've only used it with the iPad.

  • @anthonywoodhouse9484
    @anthonywoodhouse9484 5 років тому +1

    MONTAGE

  • @dkaesi
    @dkaesi 5 років тому

    nah they don't sound identical. However, for the price it's a great buy

  • @jfjusa1
    @jfjusa1 4 роки тому

    sound exactly the same to me \ m /

  • @noitnova
    @noitnova 6 років тому

    It's have the same sounds inside.

  • @Tybrazzy_
    @Tybrazzy_ 2 місяці тому

    ima former church musician who trynna debate witch one I played on the modx + and the montage before I can't debate I want something that I can carry around with out being heavy I was looking at the modx 71

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  2 місяці тому

      If you want something that isn't heavy definitely modx over montage.

    • @Tybrazzy_
      @Tybrazzy_ 2 місяці тому

      @@SoundsAndGear so would the 71 key be better

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  Місяць тому

      @@Tybrazzy_ Really depends on your preference.

  • @waldemar.golebski
    @waldemar.golebski 6 років тому +1

    Let’s say. MODX sounds cheaper.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  6 років тому

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

    • @mosesmedina6898
      @mosesmedina6898 6 років тому

      Modx sounds amazing it sounds better in some parts

    • @mosesmedina6898
      @mosesmedina6898 6 років тому

      And I gave the modx8 and I love it the Keybed is way better than the moxf8

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  6 років тому

      Thanks for watching!

    • @patricksaxon3983
      @patricksaxon3983 5 років тому

      Nope, they both sound the same. The MODX cost less than the Montage.

  • @kielhall8363
    @kielhall8363 6 років тому

    Cool cool peace brother

  • @rajukbd29
    @rajukbd29 6 років тому

    Modx is much better than moxf

  • @elephantreal9598
    @elephantreal9598 5 років тому

    The montage PreAmp is better, but the patches are almost the same.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  5 років тому

      Thanks for watching! You mean the output? Yeah patches are very similar, slight difference due to output, keybed, etc.

  • @did3d523
    @did3d523 4 роки тому

    same only dog can make difference :-)

  • @arysetyo2317
    @arysetyo2317 6 місяців тому

    montAge is too big...too heAvy...too expensive!!! modx is simple & lighter............

  • @emirestrada2296
    @emirestrada2296 3 роки тому

    Same sh....
    😑

  • @opgaming6362
    @opgaming6362 4 роки тому

    This is the same engine. They should sound similar, lol.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  4 роки тому

      I know what engine they use LOL! Still people want to know if the sound identical, not similar. Thanks.

  • @richardjackson5670
    @richardjackson5670 4 роки тому

    🤦🏾‍♂️ I'm sorry but this comparison should've never happened. Their BOTH made by Yamaha. So they will sound EXACTLY the same, which is what I heard. (Not surprised) You should have done a comparison of the Modx8 vs Roland Fantom. But doing two keyboards that are exactly the same was a waste of time my brother. The ONLY difference between the Modx8 and the Montage is the size. THAT'S IT!!😊

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  4 роки тому

      People were interested in exactly this comparison, because of the price difference, keybed difference, outputs, etc. Size is not the only difference between them lol. The MODX8 isn't even in this video...but thanks for watching. You're free to make whatever comparison videos you wish, as am I. Peace

    • @jakerain2820
      @jakerain2820 3 роки тому

      They are not exactly the same. Same engine and samples yes but the ad/da conversion on the montage is wayyy better than the modx and also using balanced outputs on the montage where the modx does not. Sample rates are also different with the montage having a much higher sample rate. This may or may not matter to you and although the differences may seem neglegible to most, to some people it does matter because even though the differences are small those differences add up in the context of building a whole track. This is also why most people also won't hear a big difference between a $250 dollar audio interface and a $900 dollar interface like an apollo but there is a difference and those differences start to stack up in the context of building a whole track. Once you have that extra ooomff it's very difficult to go back to lesser quality gear.

  • @fbl3231
    @fbl3231 Рік тому

    🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝
    Very well comparation!!!!!!

  • @str8upme2
    @str8upme2 Рік тому +1

    Key bed makes the difference especially pointing out samples

  • @jm-vq4cm
    @jm-vq4cm 5 років тому +4

    Sound very similar except the Montage has got some more grunt and depth.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  5 років тому +1

      Thanks for watching, I agree, but for many this is a really good buy.

    • @vinishamahajan2429
      @vinishamahajan2429 4 роки тому +2

      Only bcoz of the price

  • @h88sixtyone38
    @h88sixtyone38 6 років тому +4

    Thanks for the comparison. Helps so much bruh.

  • @NatLifeSounds
    @NatLifeSounds 6 років тому +2

    guys, for all who look for the difference between this synth's..got it from Yamaha's
    "MONTAGE features professional balanced outputs with "Pure Analog Circuit" (PAC). PAC improves the quality of signal after being converted to analog from digital for clear harmonic reproduction and even frequency response. The result is an output capable of reproducing MONTAGE's internal content expressively with power and clarity."
    so it means pretty much i think to louder the price...reason = max quality of the sound. So if you important in it, then Montage your way, if no or havnt a possibility to get Montage, go for MODX and use some saturation fx's from a top software to get a same or maybe more rich harmonics.

    • @NatLifeSounds
      @NatLifeSounds 6 років тому

      also some more from their forum:
      "Yamaha's PAC is more accurate: It doesn't turn down the treble or use a graphic equalizer. The slight jaggedness of the initial conversion (from digital stream to analog waveform) is massaged by their output stage to interpolate any unwanted/unintentional micro splinters of the wave to a smooth wave surface, without simply filtering out signals higher than, say, 5 kHz. So you still retain high frequencies, but without unintended harshness."

    • @NatLifeSounds
      @NatLifeSounds 6 років тому

      so need to add 2k finally) lol

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  6 років тому

      Yeah, I mentioned it in the video, definitely one of the differences between them

  • @InkyDaCaT
    @InkyDaCaT 6 років тому +9

    Modx sounds good!

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  6 років тому +1

      Yes, it does!

    • @theacan565
      @theacan565 6 років тому +2

      @@SoundsAndGear But Montage sounds better!!!

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  6 років тому +1

      I agree!

    • @theacan565
      @theacan565 6 років тому

      @@SoundsAndGear I have MOTIF XF and MOXF and the distance between them is shorter....

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  6 років тому +1

      Cool! Yeah I had the Moxf for a while too.

  • @elvinlewis4233
    @elvinlewis4233 6 років тому +13

    They sound identical to me. If there is a difference, it's very subtle.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  6 років тому

      Yeah it's a slight difference, more distinguishable in some sounds than it is in others, some sounds you can't even tell at all.

    • @mariusANU
      @mariusANU 6 років тому

      Yes, thanks a lot :)

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  6 років тому +1

      thanks for watching

    • @NatLifeSounds
      @NatLifeSounds 6 років тому +2

      thats right, but bad that for this a little difference Yamaha want to get in 3 times more cash.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  6 років тому +3

      Yeah, however, the sound isn't the only difference. Build quality, controls, polyphony, audio options, etc. But they always do this, a more portable "budge" version of the flagship. It's cool there are options, this didn't use to be the case. It used to be you either got a Motif, or not. Then the started the scaled back versions for different budgets and gigging. I think it's a good option for the right person.

  • @BryanEddy09
    @BryanEddy09 5 років тому +2

    I appreciate your taking the time.

  • @delailasosoban9116
    @delailasosoban9116 Рік тому

    the different between the plastic vs metal☺️

  • @frankymino8773
    @frankymino8773 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the vid brother! The montage has more presence. Sounds more pronounced and upfront. As a standalone instrument with vocals the montage will hit the spot. Though in a mix with other instruments you wouldn't notice the difference between the two. The montage would probably cut through the mix a bit better but other than that... both sound fantastic!

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  4 роки тому

      Thanks for watching, yes, both sound great!

  • @jessecharlesofficial84
    @jessecharlesofficial84 2 роки тому

    for me, i have used those keyboards and they sound the same

  • @qtippz
    @qtippz 6 років тому +5

    They sound too identical that you can barely tell a difference if there is any. Montage on a couple presents sound like it has a bit more reverb or is ssssslightly richer in sound. But if you have those sounds going in a mix your not going to tell the difference. With the Price, you can't go wrong with the MODX.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  6 років тому

      Thanks for checking, it's close for sure, really depends on what you're looking for and how you plan to use it.

  • @JMMinistries
    @JMMinistries 6 років тому +7

    I feel and kinda hear a very slight difference in Audio between the both. I believe the Montage sounds slightly better because it has more polyphony compare to the MODX!

    • @LighthalzenSS
      @LighthalzenSS 6 років тому +1

      Same engine, same sound for me.

    • @SoundsAndGear
      @SoundsAndGear  6 років тому

      There's definitely a slight difference, it is more noticeable in some patches than others. I don't know that it specifically has to do with polyphony though as you can see I am not someone that plays a bunch of notes at once hahahaha. It's just a matter of is the slight difference enough for someone to pick the Montage over the MODX?

    • @helsinkioslo836
      @helsinkioslo836 5 років тому +4

      Polyphony has nothing to do with sound quality..

    • @abhishekchakraborty3090
      @abhishekchakraborty3090 5 років тому +1

      @@helsinkioslo836 correct

    • @acoustic61
      @acoustic61 5 років тому

      @@SoundsAndGear The MODX doesn't have aftertouch. Also Montage uses 24 bit samples. MODX uses 16 bit 44khz samples. Possibly those things could affect the sound slightly.

  • @ArtyPartyMusic
    @ArtyPartyMusic 3 роки тому

    I have used cheap apple headphones to listen to this video. But even so I can tell the difference. I like very much my MODX6 and it sounds great for me. I only have been noticed that is almost imposible to reach velocity from 125 to 127. I figured it out by programming a piano library for MONTAGE / MODX. This little velocity issue it makes MODX sound weaker than the MONTAGE in this video, IMHO. Because it seems that at high velocity is where pianos and some synths open up a lot, and have greater depth and strength.

  • @ThunderStudios007
    @ThunderStudios007 2 роки тому

    S90 VS ModX ? Cual es mejor?