As an ex T500 ball player. Nothing let’s you know how good you are doing on ball better than having your team be equally mad at you as the enemy team :)
I have only met a few good ball players but one of the biggest things I noticed is that good ball players die almost 0 times every game, except unlucky sleeps or ults. It's scary what ball can really do, and doomfist is very similar too
@@vytrexi9693 yeah and that’s honestly why I find him so frustrating to play against. He’s just a constant nuisance that without stuns became 3 times harder to deal with
I remember having a ball player in one of my ranked games and our soljourn reported him for throwing even though ball is carrying our team and the soljourn died like 15 times even with a pocket Anyway give queen and ball players a chance
personally I love all the skins on every ball. they're so fun to play with and have in my hands! i'm great with them when I'm in control of moving them around!
Since OW2 launched I have only seen 5 ball matches, only 1 of them was on my team, and it was the same dude from the enemy team the previous match. All of them have been nightmares to deal with for the enemy team. I was actually so impressed with the ball who ended up on my team, when I saw them select Zarya I asked them "Hey do you mind playing Ball? I know you're pretty good with them." Dude proceeded to swing around the map like a crackhead spiderman all match while I tried to stick on him as much as possible as Lucio. Sadly we did lose the match, but it was one of those super fun matches that was down to a 99/99 overtime fight. The loss was unfortunately 100% my fault for getting Rein pinned and not being able to sound barrier the fight.
I always loved hammond, he is by far my favorite tank. I'm a support main and i have jack shit idea how to play tanks, especially ball, but he is like my third favorite hero. There is something magical about movment heros in my opinion, my favorite dps heros are Tracer and Genji. And while these heros may not be that efective at first, they shine when you master them. When i first saw hammond i was like "so far this is the hardes character in the game" and i don't think that changed. Mastering your movment is sometimes so chalenging that you just whant to smash your keyboard to the ground. My point is movment characters while beening the hardest (in my opinion) characters to master, are most rewarding, and just fun. Especially Hammond
Your point on how content creators/pros/streamers say things like “supports are weak” and how those takes give that roles’ players an easy avenue to shift blame really resonated with me. I feel like I’ll see a YT short from a streamer where they just say their opinion and suddenly it’s the community’s gospel.
Depends on if you’re Sojourn’s tapeworm or Kiriko. If you aren’t, then yeah, you’re considered a throw since you’ll be instakilled because you got no tp or janky movement. Lucio can move fast, but that’s all he does, he can’t heal and his gun kills slower than smearing poo in a wound and dying from sepsis. The people who aren’t playing meta supports can’t keep up, or don’t do enough trying.
The same content creators who call themselves "the best [insert hero]" and then you watch their actual streams where they can't cherrypick the good parts, and have a good laugh.
People don't like thinking independently and underestimate the value of communication (essential when diving) when looking at the meta for high level play. Same people that will parrot complaints about having a ball probably never ping anything or try to coordinate with their team. If the ball player is good he makes a amazing dive tank.
LET'S FUCKING GO W VIDEO ABOUT THE MOST BASED TANK IN WATCHING OVER THE VIDEO GAME 😎💪 The main "problem" with Ball is that by simply *existing* in the game he forces every player on his team to actually *be good at the video game* if they want to win because a good Ball turns every game he's in into a deathmatch. His job is to disrupt, to force enemies to use their resources on him while the rest of his team help each other to take adventage of the chaos that he created, but if the DPS can't hit shots, and if the supports don't even know where to position now that the tank isn't directly in front of them anymore (not all the time ofc Ball usually goes back to his team in downtime) then they will just spend the whole time confused not knowing what to do because they are so used to the tank player standing in front bulldozing everything for them.
This is literary the same as having a doom on your team in season one. I play duo with a guy who mains doom while I main ana and playing with him caused my sleep dart aim to get much better as that was the only way for me to not get imidietly killed by a season one soujurn in our backline. I feel like season one doom and ball are like two alternatives to the same playstyle
I honestly do think that ball is one of the most balanced heroes... Not just because he's good, and has plenty to counter him... But the skill gap. He can dominate if you get really good with him. If you're not though, he feels like a throw at times. Unlike say hog where you can still do good if you haven't played him much. You have to learn him, master him, and you can (no pun intended) wreck the enemy
Most fun tank to play, imo. The problem is that bad ball players go in with no sense of timing, looking for the 5 man piledrive and then die. So they feed like crazy (the damage recieved and the healing after piledrive) and then the team fight happens, ball team most likely loses and then the ball goes do the same again while the rest of his team is going back on point. I had this happen for entire matches. I love ball, is my favourite tank to play but also I think he has the most feed potential and requires some sort of understanding from his teammates about coordinating with him and the average suppor/dps player just wants a flesh wall between them and the enemy because they think that's guaranteed value (and sort of makes up for their poor positioning).
I think this video is a great piece of the "look at your team, play to the team's strength" approach to the game. You've got a zen/mercy? You see lack of healing, i see a discord orb and a damage boost - that's a high damage recipe for deliciousness
i think the main problem with ball is that every new player sees a tik-tok (Fuck you Bame) and immediately wants to play him without knowing how hard he is to master. He can be EXTREMELY oppressive if you fully master his kit but if you get a bad ball on your team its just a throw pick and the enemy team will just walk through you
Finally! Someone who understands how fun the fast hitscan disruptor can be to play. You feel like you're on adrenaline, you feel like you have to plan ahead and it's more exciting than any other hero I played as it always feels different. Other heroes play the same but ball FEELS different each game as you adapt to your enemy and map, and I personally believe I can play a good wrecking ball I even bought a golden gun cause I loved the hero when he first came out. I just wish I could play him without feeling like a hinderance despite giving my favorite hero a chance.
I gotta agree that movement heroes are imo the hardest ones to master, Im a bit of a Lúcio main and I love his wallride, it was very tricky learning it at first, but then, as people have pointed it out, it becomes pretty fun and rewarding! I love trying some rollouts from spawn, getting booped and still managing to come back, contesting the point forever by just jumping around wall to wall, I genuinely think its one of the most fun mechanics, I think ball is super fun too, but still, quite hard to master, but they always make the games more interesting :) Wich is why i say, whenever someone is flaming our tank for picking ball "yea, give the ball a chance, we'll have fun atleast!"
It is true that when i get ball player in my team, usually they're either really really good, creating a lot of space and getting values, sometimes straight up carrying games or just bad maybe because they were trying the hero and then immidiately swap off sadge. But yea the learning curve of ball imo if one could reach his max potential could be really rewarding. One of my friend is a master elo ball player and he just either demolishes enemy team or not performing well bcs he gets hard countered or everyone focuses on him. But. He. Doesnt. Swap. Respect tbh.
On a similar note, I think Zen is also a sleeper pick. When I tell a team that I'm choosing Zen and we aren't going to out heal their damage, they mostly listen and actually take less damage. Also, a few coordinated discord orbs will MELT hogs and any other flankers that try and go for me. Finally, when I have the perfect teammates, and I use trans at the right time, it's actually a night and day difference. We go from being bullied and losing ground, not looking great, to pushing forward and murdering their entire team in a few seconds with no ults except trans. He's the best support for getting a teams act together.
Yeah, zen is great but have you ever played against a sojourn having good aim? Against a good sojourn you can not even peek for more than a second. You peek>optional:sojourn slide jump>pew pew pew 30-40 trickling damage>boom>you are dead.
ive always liked having ball as my tank as long as hes getting value. it really does point out your positioning mistakes if ur losing with a good ball player. for example i like playing brig when we have a ball because i can sit and just keep my sup and maybe a less mobile dps alive while ball is pissing off the enemy team for 6 minutes
as a very skilled ball player, I can agree with this. when you come brawling down the map bopping the entire team off the map. it's so satisfying. when you constantly can be a pain in the ass towards the other team.. when they start to repick to try and counter you. they are out of their comfort zone. and your team should have an easy win!
we're in season 6 now and your support rant has aged like a fine wine, they actually made support a baby easy role I remember ana being hard to play, now I dont remember when was the last time I lost a duel against a dps as her, suports got so braindead easy they're actually boring to play now and it used to be the role I played the most, now ironically I play mainly tank which is arguably the weakest role rn, guess I like being challanged
I loved the touch of mentioning how the scoreboard makes it so we can all see who's doing poorly as he's showing a game of himself being outstated by almost everyone, even Kiriko. Stats don't matter that much tho, but still a great touch
I'm a ball player too and i get so much criticism even though recently more people notice ball's impact. I'm not t500 or anything but im masters and know my way around the character. thank you
I completely agree. Learning a character who takes skill really is rewarding, the problem is that this game rewards constancy. Characters like roadhog who take space or flank with consistent one shot combos is what people are used to and what wins people fights. This is my main problem with overwatch’s competitive queue, most of the time team comps are the same and people rarely play anything different than who meta. If you lose for not playing whos meta your usually who the team blames which really stinks. There is nothing wrong with playing who’s meta but people should have the option the character who they want to play first. Similarly I play Cassidy and am usually told to switch off for Ashe pretty quickly. It must be a lot worse when your on tank though.
I’m a ball player and the most annoying character on your team is mercy mains. They always complain how bad you are and how their dps are insane with 10-15 and blame you
8:10 In argument for the dps side, when playing with a ball your stats are generally going to be worst due to you trading a strong front line for ball's strong independent flanking ability (compared to what reinhardt provides the team for example). It's rough playing a game where your ball isn't getting space so it's like a 4v5 with the off-chance of an ambush event. I personally don't mind ball players, but if we are not clicking as a team the first one I'm asking to switch is ball
The problem with a lot of Ball mains is they strictly play ball and instead of damage adapting and playing around the ball they just complain and don’t wanna experiment.
Like how often do you truly run into a good ball? Are you helping him be the most efficient ball player he can be? Obviously you shouldn’t be expected to carry but you shouldn’t immediately blame the ball for why your team isn’t clicking
Ball can constantly harass the backline. He can constantly keep the 2 supports busy. And to peel the supports sometimes a dps can also join with them. He is creating so many options and opening for the 4 of you. You guys can put pressure on opposite tank while the ball is harassing. Eventually the supports will face the dilemma "should i heal my tank or my other support" and thats how you will get a pick. Also he can boop a tank into a bad position. It is upto you how to secure the kill. Dont blame ball. If you cant co-operate with him, you should learn how to co-operate instead of asking him to change. If you cant read the moment when to engage and hold angle to avoid shooting shields, you should learn them instead of asking ball to switch. If you are playing hanzo and widow and cant hit shit, dont blame ball and ask him to change. If your dps sucks then they dont deserve that rank. Also blame blizzard for their aweful mm/sr system.
@@abirmandal4021 Or since you don't have a frontline their Orisa or Roadhog runs you down. You can list what ball can do if you play him to perfection, but roadhog can more with less effort. Ball is selfish in nature as you are demanding the team to play around you. Switching the ball off will provide the biggest "switch up" due to his playstyle being so unique compared to a traditional tank.
A quote from Beaver is a t500 ball player. "In a 4300-4400sr lobby, you can play ball. You just need to play like a 4700 player to get the same value as the other tank on hog or orisa." Essentially saying that on ball the skill to reward curve is skewed to where you need to put in more to get the same value as other tanks
yeah as a mix of all classes, i play to the best of my ability and just try and have fun, if we lose im not going to blame anyone but myself, and then take a think about the mistakes i made in the match and try and improve them
Lmao, I can't believe you posted this video right after i left a custom game were the entire server agreed to pick Hammond, and it was just a ball appreciating/worshipping server
Love the vid as a dps main with my ranked buddy being a ball main (ps I don’t play sojourn that’s gay) my buddy gets way to much hate even though he is better then most people in the lobby. I pops off with a 18k damage 1 death and 35 kills and people still tell him to get off ball it’s crazy everyone is viable in someway so people should give them a chance. It’s the same thing with Cassidy (I main him) I hit most of my shots high damage high kills and people are still mad. Just give the people who aren’t playing meta a chance
I just find ball so frustrating to play against. Since all the soft CC doesn’t take him out of ball form. And only tanks and Ana get to take him out of ball form. So it’s SO MUCH harder to deal with him. Especially when your playing DPS. I like to play all 3 roles a decent amount and whenever I play against ball on DPS I feel helpless to stop him. Especially with the removal of chain hack on sombra I can hack him, then he just has to stall for the 1 second for his abilities to come back online and roll away back to his team like nothing happened
In my opinion there only bad player in the game are the toxic ones. Just becouse someone isnt performing well as character dosent mean they are banned from playing it. Most "bad" ball players are just pepole learning the character yet their teammates treat them like they're throwing. If my teammate isn't playing as well as someone elso on our or the enemy team than thats not their fault thats the fault of the matchmaking to match pepole of difrent skill levels together. So the only time I think its good to bring up how bad a person is performing in a match is if that player is being toxic in the voice or text chat.
I remember that while I was playing ball at some point, I had the second most kills, potg, most damage, and most mitigated damage. That game the entire lobby basically called me slurs and swore at me for the ENTIRE GAME of push.
Its actually so sad as a ball main myself everyone will jump to telling me to switch and saying the actual most horrible things I've ever heard on voice chats
I like this video It straight up showed me how Hammond can pretty much carry if given a chance and good back up and I personally just always saw him as an underpowered tank who became outdated going from OW1 to 2 But no clearly I just had yet to see someone actually use him as he's intended A high execution tank with heavy shut down potential I should note I primarily play support (mostly Mercy and Kiriko) and I just had a hard time attempting to heal ball and when I did use him I would get clapped in seconds so yeah
I love ball players they are so rare but when I get them on my team they are the ball one tricks that ONLY PLAY BALL. So they always know what they are doing. He isn’t the worst tank in the game at least tho that goes to JQ.
I played ball once and God dam that little hamster can survive the gang bang of the enemy team, can be mobile and fun at the same time solid choice for thank!
I am personally a support player(mostly mercy/lucio), and I don't know if it is just me being Lucky or all the Ball players being that good, but every time I get a Ball on my team he either just carried the whole game or did a great job at making the enemy team so mad that they had at least one leaver, and honestly I kind of respect every Ball player, Even if they don't play the best and take a long time to get ready for the play. The ball on the enemy team tho is painful... everytime... ;(
Best OW ball take ive ever seen #stopballhate i love that little hampter guy hes so fun to play and even more fun to take the time to learn him and all his tech
Awesome video man, I really enjoyed it. You made me want to pick up ball again and while I will probably regret that, I now feel okay with taking the heat for a while
I’m a ball main and I can say with true honesty that he is such a underrated character he has a lot of potential and the amount of toxicity you get is absurd #ballneedslove
I think ball tolerance has gone up a ton since Overwatch 2 came out. If a ball isn’t making it work people definitely get impatient faster than with any other tank though, you’re right about that
As a new player and support main, even when we win playing with a ball on the team instead then any other tank is that it is more "stressfull" to play with him as your tank, even when he does get value, before he gets that value he puts the team in a position where they are basically in a 4v5, until they disrupt the enemy team from behind and since I am not at a high rank we as a team might not even be able to capitalize on that, since the dps might not even hit their shorts or i might not heal as effectively, the right target in that moment, of course I have never asked a ball player to switch, everyone should play how they want, but having ball as a tank is kind of more "stressfull" even if you win. Basically my point is that all other tanks can cover for dps and support's mistakes by not letting them die, ball does not do that for a good part of the fight
Hampter is the only character who can survive a 1v5 with proper management of his shields, heathpacks, and mobility. If I die more than 5 times as ball it generally means the enemy is way better than me or my team isn't backing me up. He has the most health in the game after shields are used and any health pack is close to him. Only issue is he has next to no presence on point so being the only tank is a major nerf. If anyone wants to learn him he is insane in open queue as a dual tank then you essentially just play DPS. Learn the ropes then drop the tank, adjust slightly, and enjoy surviving every team fight, ult stack, and even a nuclear strike.
I love seeing ball player because almost all of the time the only reason they are playing ball is because they are good at him, so like, the only ball you see are good ball And good ball are the most terrifying thing in this game, when it’s the ennemie team your back line get obliterated before you can even turn back and you can never kill the ball. When it’s on your team you try to do something and then realize even if you had done nothing you still would have won because on the kill feed you just keep seeing ball again and again and you can’t even do something if you wanted to because ball already did everything himself, the best thing you can do is just to pick a sup and pocket the ball. Then I play ball, dies 4 times in a row, deals only 300 damage, switch to another tank. I can’t play ball because I suck and is too stubborn to learn. Anyway, Hammond my beloved
Just played a game on ball and a dps told me tanks should have the highest damage and the most kills out of the team. At the end of the game out damaged the lobby and out killed on my team but he said I only got 1k more than the best DPS on our team and that's why we lost. Because I played ball. Breaks my ball mains heart 🥺.
I have been retrying characters that I sworn off instead of just "meta" characters and have actually been having a blast. Hammond is one of those that I didn't initially like and this video might get me to try him again.
the other thing that's kinda stupid about "pick [some other tank] because I want to win" is the fact that... what if someone is a ball one trick? what if they don't have much experience on any other tanks? or what if they're just worse at other tanks? (personally I'm the last one) if that person switches off ball without a reason (countering a counter for example), they'll be even mOre useless than that person thought ball would be. ESPECIALLY since now they're upset, so they'll play even worse than they otherwise would
Tbh i hate the state OW community is in. You can be playing casual and some toxic dickhead will yell at you for picking the wrong character, the un-meta character thats gonna make em lose. And im just sittin here like i just wanna have fun man.. Not like youre gonna lose rank or anything. Iunno, as Dunkey once said "it went from a game with many wonderful characters, to a game where you get yelled at for picking the wrong one". Its sooo boring when people pick the same characters over and over, expecting nothing to change, its insanity!
As a game designer myself, I wanna ask everyone: If you could change anything about Hammond, improve his kit, change an ability etc. What would you do? Keep his kit the exact same? I'm genuinely curious!
I think his guns are kinda generic compared to his kit, all sorts of close range abilities and playstyle, but then he just has generic fps machine guns, it’s strange because they look to be 4 heavy machine guns that would do incredible damage (each one would realistically be stronger than an assault rifle like soldier’s or widow’s primary) but altogether they are no better than any DPS’s single gun. I think it would be cooler if they were something more interesting like flamethrowers (his original weapons during development) that would go well with his “get in, cause close-range chaos to multiple targets, and get out” play style
@@moltensh4dow506 Yeah, i always kinda found it weird they moved away from the flamethrower idea. Like they keep going for it, testing, then swapping the idea for a gun. I dont think it would be too hard to setup since its 2 Mai's guns but red and does damage over time than slows down. Coulda legit had ball smacks do 2x damage to burning enemies for some kind of combos. And the mine field bombs coulda set enemies on fire too.
@@moltensh4dow506 flamethrowers have a mixed track record in gaming (pyro from tf2) and I guess it was felt to be easier to introduce a hitscan automatic weapon. Although I agree Hammond with a flamethrower would have been a nice addition to weapon variety in the tank role.
@@ScoutOW2 I think they dropped the flamethrowers for several reasons 1. I think they thought flamethrowers would have been *too* good with how well they would go with his kit, and would lead to too much multi-target burst damage. 2. Even though flamethrowers go well with his playstyle, it wouldn’t go very well with his theme, since he’s all about physical contact and momentum, he’s wrecking ball, not fire ball. 3. Even though there’s killing, shooting, slashing and i think even some blood when an enemy gets damaged, and even enemies burning and wincing in pain when ashe lights them on fire, maybe Blizzard thought it would be too far for their age rating to have a character blazing enemies in a gout of fire *while* they are screaming in pain.
@@moltensh4dow506 1. Yeah it would be pretty OP if its as powerful as other weapons, but i dont think it should have killing potential, deals low damage but setting them on fire causing your main ball attack do more damage. 2. Yeah but their theme is always based on their moves, while having flamethrowers maybe they planned on calling him something like Fireball? He does turn into one rn while going high speeds. 3. Iunno about that tbh. They have stated fairly recently (i forgot the source) that theyre working on a fire guy recently. Which they keep doing over the entire lifespan of the game, but always end up reworking the flames out. And plus Ashe's TNT never got reworked in OW2 to not set enemies on fire. Maybe its cause (coming from someone who plays TF2) flamethrowers kinda dont feel as good to shoot. They dont have that impact ya know. In TF2 its always more fun to set the enemies on fire, swap to a shotgun or flare and finish them off. Just look at Mai, imagine her without that ice shard launch.
good to see another aussie ball 1 trick, im in plat and its rough especially in this region i have 7.75 elims per life after 14 hours yet only 59% winrate
keep up the content bro. also could we get a vid on your opinion in meta rn with ashe and sojourn getting pocketed all game, imo mercy damage boost should be tweaked down a bit
The ball pick description feels the same as a support wanting to play brig atm. People act like certain characters are crap yet dont understand how those heroes work
As an ex T500 ball player. Nothing let’s you know how good you are doing on ball better than having your team be equally mad at you as the enemy team :)
facts
I have only met a few good ball players but one of the biggest things I noticed is that good ball players die almost 0 times every game, except unlucky sleeps or ults. It's scary what ball can really do, and doomfist is very similar too
@@vytrexi9693 yeah
@@vytrexi9693 nah ball is better than doom lol but doom can be yeah like zbra
@@vytrexi9693 yeah and that’s honestly why I find him so frustrating to play against. He’s just a constant nuisance that without stuns became 3 times harder to deal with
I remember having a ball player in one of my ranked games and our soljourn reported him for throwing even though ball is carrying our team and the soljourn died like 15 times even with a pocket
Anyway give queen and ball players a chance
That's kind of to be expected from someone who only plays meta
Queen is my guilty pick when my heam sucks.
You sir gets me
@@akimbofurry2179 best guilty picks are jq ball and roadhog
Idiot proof, pew pew hero vs...
I love a person who plays well with balls. One of the best feelings ever
😳😳😳😳
I usually gobble them up in whole
personally I love all the skins on every ball. they're so fun to play with and have in my hands! i'm great with them when I'm in control of moving them around!
@@slyish4 i too enjoy skins on balls. My favourite is the Black one
@@slurples149 what
“Sometimes you’re playing pinball with the doorway-“ bro had NO RIGHT to call me out like that.
"Ball players would commit war crimes if they could"
-Surefour
Since OW2 launched I have only seen 5 ball matches, only 1 of them was on my team, and it was the same dude from the enemy team the previous match. All of them have been nightmares to deal with for the enemy team.
I was actually so impressed with the ball who ended up on my team, when I saw them select Zarya I asked them "Hey do you mind playing Ball? I know you're pretty good with them." Dude proceeded to swing around the map like a crackhead spiderman all match while I tried to stick on him as much as possible as Lucio. Sadly we did lose the match, but it was one of those super fun matches that was down to a 99/99 overtime fight. The loss was unfortunately 100% my fault for getting Rein pinned and not being able to sound barrier the fight.
I always loved hammond, he is by far my favorite tank. I'm a support main and i have jack shit idea how to play tanks, especially ball, but he is like my third favorite hero. There is something magical about movment heros in my opinion, my favorite dps heros are Tracer and Genji. And while these heros may not be that efective at first, they shine when you master them. When i first saw hammond i was like "so far this is the hardes character in the game" and i don't think that changed. Mastering your movment is sometimes so chalenging that you just whant to smash your keyboard to the ground.
My point is movment characters while beening the hardest (in my opinion) characters to master, are most rewarding, and just fun. Especially Hammond
We have a ball, now all we need is someone that can boop teammates so we can play golf in overwatch
Zen's kick has increased knockback so you can play soccer already
I have tought of there being a hero that boops teammates but that can lead to a lot of griefing
standing up for us hampters, thank you
Your point on how content creators/pros/streamers say things like “supports are weak” and how those takes give that roles’ players an easy avenue to shift blame really resonated with me. I feel like I’ll see a YT short from a streamer where they just say their opinion and suddenly it’s the community’s gospel.
Depends on if you’re Sojourn’s tapeworm or Kiriko. If you aren’t, then yeah, you’re considered a throw since you’ll be instakilled because you got no tp or janky movement. Lucio can move fast, but that’s all he does, he can’t heal and his gun kills slower than smearing poo in a wound and dying from sepsis.
The people who aren’t playing meta supports can’t keep up, or don’t do enough trying.
reminds me or when seagull said symmetra was slept on and all i saw for a week was symm
The same content creators who call themselves "the best [insert hero]" and then you watch their actual streams where they can't cherrypick the good parts, and have a good laugh.
People don't like thinking independently and underestimate the value of communication (essential when diving) when looking at the meta for high level play. Same people that will parrot complaints about having a ball probably never ping anything or try to coordinate with their team. If the ball player is good he makes a amazing dive tank.
LET'S FUCKING GO W VIDEO ABOUT THE MOST BASED TANK IN WATCHING OVER THE VIDEO GAME 😎💪
The main "problem" with Ball is that by simply *existing* in the game he forces every player on his team to actually *be good at the video game* if they want to win because a good Ball turns every game he's in into a deathmatch. His job is to disrupt, to force enemies to use their resources on him while the rest of his team help each other to take adventage of the chaos that he created, but if the DPS can't hit shots, and if the supports don't even know where to position now that the tank isn't directly in front of them anymore (not all the time ofc Ball usually goes back to his team in downtime) then they will just spend the whole time confused not knowing what to do because they are so used to the tank player standing in front bulldozing everything for them.
This is literary the same as having a doom on your team in season one. I play duo with a guy who mains doom while I main ana and playing with him caused my sleep dart aim to get much better as that was the only way for me to not get imidietly killed by a season one soujurn in our backline. I feel like season one doom and ball are like two alternatives to the same playstyle
@quriguess8189 ikr lmao
@quriguess FR
If your good at ball you pop it's insane
Fact.
did the man seriously take my suggestion?
I've seen quite a few patient people suggest hamster including you :)))))
Something malicious is brewing
@@Giovanni-Alucio?
@@Giovanni-A doom?
@ZtM @juju both those heroes are the meta rn, this video is highlighting a hero that isnt-
Hammond is probably the most fun tank to heal, as a support player I always loved going with Lucio to heal a actually good Hammond
As an ana main, it's the most stressful thing ever
@@faragod3675 Its true as an Ana, but if you use zenyatta, its much less stressful
I honestly do think that ball is one of the most balanced heroes... Not just because he's good, and has plenty to counter him... But the skill gap. He can dominate if you get really good with him. If you're not though, he feels like a throw at times. Unlike say hog where you can still do good if you haven't played him much. You have to learn him, master him, and you can (no pun intended) wreck the enemy
Most fun tank to play, imo. The problem is that bad ball players go in with no sense of timing, looking for the 5 man piledrive and then die. So they feed like crazy (the damage recieved and the healing after piledrive) and then the team fight happens, ball team most likely loses and then the ball goes do the same again while the rest of his team is going back on point. I had this happen for entire matches. I love ball, is my favourite tank to play but also I think he has the most feed potential and requires some sort of understanding from his teammates about coordinating with him and the average suppor/dps player just wants a flesh wall between them and the enemy because they think that's guaranteed value (and sort of makes up for their poor positioning).
I think this video is a great piece of the "look at your team, play to the team's strength" approach to the game. You've got a zen/mercy? You see lack of healing, i see a discord orb and a damage boost - that's a high damage recipe for deliciousness
i think the main problem with ball is that every new player sees a tik-tok (Fuck you Bame) and immediately wants to play him without knowing how hard he is to master. He can be EXTREMELY oppressive if you fully master his kit but if you get a bad ball on your team its just a throw pick and the enemy team will just walk through you
Finally! Someone who understands how fun the fast hitscan disruptor can be to play. You feel like you're on adrenaline, you feel like you have to plan ahead and it's more exciting than any other hero I played as it always feels different. Other heroes play the same but ball FEELS different each game as you adapt to your enemy and map, and I personally believe I can play a good wrecking ball I even bought a golden gun cause I loved the hero when he first came out. I just wish I could play him without feeling like a hinderance despite giving my favorite hero a chance.
I gotta agree that movement heroes are imo the hardest ones to master, Im a bit of a Lúcio main and I love his wallride, it was very tricky learning it at first, but then, as people have pointed it out, it becomes pretty fun and rewarding! I love trying some rollouts from spawn, getting booped and still managing to come back, contesting the point forever by just jumping around wall to wall, I genuinely think its one of the most fun mechanics, I think ball is super fun too, but still, quite hard to master, but they always make the games more interesting :)
Wich is why i say, whenever someone is flaming our tank for picking ball "yea, give the ball a chance, we'll have fun atleast!"
Man, they really need to give the balls some more love.
It is true that when i get ball player in my team, usually they're either really really good, creating a lot of space and getting values, sometimes straight up carrying games or just bad maybe because they were trying the hero and then immidiately swap off sadge. But yea the learning curve of ball imo if one could reach his max potential could be really rewarding. One of my friend is a master elo ball player and he just either demolishes enemy team or not performing well bcs he gets hard countered or everyone focuses on him. But. He. Doesnt. Swap. Respect tbh.
On a similar note, I think Zen is also a sleeper pick. When I tell a team that I'm choosing Zen and we aren't going to out heal their damage, they mostly listen and actually take less damage.
Also, a few coordinated discord orbs will MELT hogs and any other flankers that try and go for me.
Finally, when I have the perfect teammates, and I use trans at the right time, it's actually a night and day difference. We go from being bullied and losing ground, not looking great, to pushing forward and murdering their entire team in a few seconds with no ults except trans.
He's the best support for getting a teams act together.
I semi main zen and i totally agree he can be insane but if your caught slipping your screwed
He’s great till you climb out of the diamond and below crap hole. After that he is very punishing if you make mistakes and defenceless against dives.
Yeah, zen is great but have you ever played against a sojourn having good aim? Against a good sojourn you can not even peek for more than a second. You peek>optional:sojourn slide jump>pew pew pew 30-40 trickling damage>boom>you are dead.
HE MADE A VIDEO ON IT AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
The part about the getting pushed back or forward the more you play the more, able to master those abilities, and how to use those to your vantage
This video inspired me to play Ball and it's some of the most fun I've had with the game. Def my new main tank.
ive always liked having ball as my tank as long as hes getting value. it really does point out your positioning mistakes if ur losing with a good ball player. for example i like playing brig when we have a ball because i can sit and just keep my sup and maybe a less mobile dps alive while ball is pissing off the enemy team for 6 minutes
i didnt know balls go through this… as a lúcio we get the exact same
you said everything i said and wanted to say as a ball main ty
as a very skilled ball player, I can agree with this. when you come brawling down the map bopping the entire team off the map. it's so satisfying. when you constantly can be a pain in the ass towards the other team.. when they start to repick to try and counter you. they are out of their comfort zone. and your team should have an easy win!
we're in season 6 now and your support rant has aged like a fine wine, they actually made support a baby easy role I remember ana being hard to play, now I dont remember when was the last time I lost a duel against a dps as her, suports got so braindead easy they're actually boring to play now and it used to be the role I played the most, now ironically I play mainly tank which is arguably the weakest role rn, guess I like being challanged
I agree with you although I do think hammond would have a bit of a better time if his quad cannons and pile drive damage got a tiny buff.
I loved the touch of mentioning how the scoreboard makes it so we can all see who's doing poorly as he's showing a game of himself being outstated by almost everyone, even Kiriko. Stats don't matter that much tho, but still a great touch
I'm a ball player too and i get so much criticism even though recently more people notice ball's impact. I'm not t500 or anything but im masters and know my way around the character. thank you
Bro that part at 4:15 where you do the INSANE TRICKSHOT on the dummy tracer had me dying so hard
I got in. Pick balls, then type 'balls'. My zenyatta 'I have a lot balls'.
I completely agree. Learning a character who takes skill really is rewarding, the problem is that this game rewards constancy. Characters like roadhog who take space or flank with consistent one shot combos is what people are used to and what wins people fights. This is my main problem with overwatch’s competitive queue, most of the time team comps are the same and people rarely play anything different than who meta. If you lose for not playing whos meta your usually who the team blames which really stinks. There is nothing wrong with playing who’s meta but people should have the option the character who they want to play first. Similarly I play Cassidy and am usually told to switch off for Ashe pretty quickly. It must be a lot worse when your on tank though.
I’m a ball player and the most annoying character on your team is mercy mains. They always complain how bad you are and how their dps are insane with 10-15 and blame you
5:16 Finally someone said it! and you inspired me to main BALL again
8:10 In argument for the dps side, when playing with a ball your stats are generally going to be worst due to you trading a strong front line for ball's strong independent flanking ability (compared to what reinhardt provides the team for example). It's rough playing a game where your ball isn't getting space so it's like a 4v5 with the off-chance of an ambush event. I personally don't mind ball players, but if we are not clicking as a team the first one I'm asking to switch is ball
The problem with a lot of Ball mains is they strictly play ball and instead of damage adapting and playing around the ball they just complain and don’t wanna experiment.
Like how often do you truly run into a good ball? Are you helping him be the most efficient ball player he can be? Obviously you shouldn’t be expected to carry but you shouldn’t immediately blame the ball for why your team isn’t clicking
Ball can constantly harass the backline. He can constantly keep the 2 supports busy. And to peel the supports sometimes a dps can also join with them. He is creating so many options and opening for the 4 of you. You guys can put pressure on opposite tank while the ball is harassing. Eventually the supports will face the dilemma "should i heal my tank or my other support" and thats how you will get a pick. Also he can boop a tank into a bad position. It is upto you how to secure the kill. Dont blame ball. If you cant co-operate with him, you should learn how to co-operate instead of asking him to change. If you cant read the moment when to engage and hold angle to avoid shooting shields, you should learn them instead of asking ball to switch. If you are playing hanzo and widow and cant hit shit, dont blame ball and ask him to change. If your dps sucks then they dont deserve that rank. Also blame blizzard for their aweful mm/sr system.
@@abirmandal4021 Or since you don't have a frontline their Orisa or Roadhog runs you down. You can list what ball can do if you play him to perfection, but roadhog can more with less effort. Ball is selfish in nature as you are demanding the team to play around you. Switching the ball off will provide the biggest "switch up" due to his playstyle being so unique compared to a traditional tank.
A quote from Beaver is a t500 ball player. "In a 4300-4400sr lobby, you can play ball. You just need to play like a 4700 player to get the same value as the other tank on hog or orisa." Essentially saying that on ball the skill to reward curve is skewed to where you need to put in more to get the same value as other tanks
Absolutely hilarious that he went from people complaining about him on their teams to complaining about him on the other team in one patch
yeah as a mix of all classes, i play to the best of my ability and just try and have fun, if we lose im not going to blame anyone but myself, and then take a think about the mistakes i made in the match and try and improve them
i love u man thank u for standing up for us
Yo been playing OW2 for a year now, I am a Gold 2 Ranked Ball 1 trick, and everything in this video is literally spot on, love the video
Bless that big ball. It's never easier to drop in on the enemy than when a good ball is causing havoc.
Lmao, I can't believe you posted this video right after i left a custom game were the entire server agreed to pick Hammond, and it was just a ball appreciating/worshipping server
I love ball players. My friend plays him, and I play Lucio, some people will yell at him, and I defend him and we pop off
Because of this video I started playing ball and I love him now because of it, thank you
Love the vid as a dps main with my ranked buddy being a ball main (ps I don’t play sojourn that’s gay) my buddy gets way to much hate even though he is better then most people in the lobby. I pops off with a 18k damage 1 death and 35 kills and people still tell him to get off ball it’s crazy everyone is viable in someway so people should give them a chance. It’s the same thing with Cassidy (I main him) I hit most of my shots high damage high kills and people are still mad. Just give the people who aren’t playing meta a chance
I just find ball so frustrating to play against. Since all the soft CC doesn’t take him out of ball form. And only tanks and Ana get to take him out of ball form. So it’s SO MUCH harder to deal with him. Especially when your playing DPS. I like to play all 3 roles a decent amount and whenever I play against ball on DPS I feel helpless to stop him.
Especially with the removal of chain hack on sombra I can hack him, then he just has to stall for the 1 second for his abilities to come back online and roll away back to his team like nothing happened
In my opinion there only bad player in the game are the toxic ones. Just becouse someone isnt performing well as character dosent mean they are banned from playing it. Most "bad" ball players are just pepole learning the character yet their teammates treat them like they're throwing. If my teammate isn't playing as well as someone elso on our or the enemy team than thats not their fault thats the fault of the matchmaking to match pepole of difrent skill levels together. So the only time I think its good to bring up how bad a person is performing in a match is if that player is being toxic in the voice or text chat.
Best take on hammond I’ve ever seen
Lemme be clear, I never hated the hampter, but when I see one... I wont be so merciful, especially as a winton main.
I remember that while I was playing ball at some point, I had the second most kills, potg, most damage, and most mitigated damage. That game the entire lobby basically called me slurs and swore at me for the ENTIRE GAME of push.
Its actually so sad as a ball main myself everyone will jump to telling me to switch and saying the actual most horrible things I've ever heard on voice chats
ball is just a silly lil guy n u gotta respect it, hes my tank one trick :)
I like this video
It straight up showed me how Hammond can pretty much carry if given a chance and good back up and I personally just always saw him as an underpowered tank who became outdated going from OW1 to 2
But no clearly I just had yet to see someone actually use him as he's intended
A high execution tank with heavy shut down potential
I should note I primarily play support (mostly Mercy and Kiriko) and I just had a hard time attempting to heal ball and when I did use him I would get clapped in seconds so yeah
That kiriko play at the end was nasty
Give the ball a second let him cook
I love ball players they are so rare but when I get them on my team they are the ball one tricks that ONLY PLAY BALL. So they always know what they are doing. He isn’t the worst tank in the game at least tho that goes to JQ.
You’re doing a good job with the content bro keep it up, also hopefully I catch you in one of my games again
I agree on comfort pick, I’ve been maining sojourn and Sym but lately I’ve been playing any other character since I’m bored of playing meta
You know we all need Kurt the hive tyrant in overwatch bro
The trio of "ur throwing swap" is ball, junker queen and doom, less so the doomfist because hes a favorite
I played ball once and God dam that little hamster can survive the gang bang of the enemy team, can be mobile and fun at the same time solid choice for thank!
I am personally a support player(mostly mercy/lucio), and I don't know if it is just me being Lucky or all the Ball players being that good, but every time I get a Ball on my team he either just carried the whole game or did a great job at making the enemy team so mad that they had at least one leaver, and honestly I kind of respect every Ball player, Even if they don't play the best and take a long time to get ready for the play.
The ball on the enemy team tho is painful... everytime... ;(
Best OW ball take ive ever seen #stopballhate i love that little hampter guy hes so fun to play and even more fun to take the time to learn him and all his tech
Awesome video man, I really enjoyed it. You made me want to pick up ball again and while I will probably regret that, I now feel okay with taking the heat for a while
I’m a ball main and I can say with true honesty that he is such a underrated character he has a lot of potential and the amount of toxicity you get is absurd #ballneedslove
as chazm "edge streak destroyer" ballington once said, wrecking ball is the only hero that makes 9 people in the same lobby mad
I think ball tolerance has gone up a ton since Overwatch 2 came out. If a ball isn’t making it work people definitely get impatient faster than with any other tank though, you’re right about that
Seeing Brigitte while playing ball just makes me want to swap of ball, play reinhardt, and target the brig until she switches characters.
Nothing better then booping the other ball player off the map c:
As a new player and support main, even when we win playing with a ball on the team instead then any other tank is that it is more "stressfull" to play with him as your tank, even when he does get value, before he gets that value he puts the team in a position where they are basically in a 4v5, until they disrupt the enemy team from behind and since I am not at a high rank we as a team might not even be able to capitalize on that, since the dps might not even hit their shorts or i might not heal as effectively, the right target in that moment, of course I have never asked a ball player to switch, everyone should play how they want, but having ball as a tank is kind of more "stressfull" even if you win. Basically my point is that all other tanks can cover for dps and support's mistakes by not letting them die, ball does not do that for a good part of the fight
Hampter is the only character who can survive a 1v5 with proper management of his shields, heathpacks, and mobility. If I die more than 5 times as ball it generally means the enemy is way better than me or my team isn't backing me up. He has the most health in the game after shields are used and any health pack is close to him. Only issue is he has next to no presence on point so being the only tank is a major nerf.
If anyone wants to learn him he is insane in open queue as a dual tank then you essentially just play DPS. Learn the ropes then drop the tank, adjust slightly, and enjoy surviving every team fight, ult stack, and even a nuclear strike.
bro is talking real facts fr
I love seeing ball player because almost all of the time the only reason they are playing ball is because they are good at him, so like, the only ball you see are good ball
And good ball are the most terrifying thing in this game, when it’s the ennemie team your back line get obliterated before you can even turn back and you can never kill the ball. When it’s on your team you try to do something and then realize even if you had done nothing you still would have won because on the kill feed you just keep seeing ball again and again and you can’t even do something if you wanted to because ball already did everything himself, the best thing you can do is just to pick a sup and pocket the ball.
Then I play ball, dies 4 times in a row, deals only 300 damage, switch to another tank. I can’t play ball because I suck and is too stubborn to learn.
Anyway, Hammond my beloved
Just played a game on ball and a dps told me tanks should have the highest damage and the most kills out of the team. At the end of the game out damaged the lobby and out killed on my team but he said I only got 1k more than the best DPS on our team and that's why we lost. Because I played ball. Breaks my ball mains heart 🥺.
I have been retrying characters that I sworn off instead of just "meta" characters and have actually been having a blast. Hammond is one of those that I didn't initially like and this video might get me to try him again.
I refuse to believe ball has that much potential
i j want to let you know u have the best quality to audience size ratio ive ever seen on this website. love the vids and keep doing what ur doing
hold on... LET HIM COOK
the other thing that's kinda stupid about "pick [some other tank] because I want to win" is the fact that... what if someone is a ball one trick? what if they don't have much experience on any other tanks? or what if they're just worse at other tanks? (personally I'm the last one) if that person switches off ball without a reason (countering a counter for example), they'll be even mOre useless than that person thought ball would be. ESPECIALLY since now they're upset, so they'll play even worse than they otherwise would
The guitar sounds that eccentuate the beginning of the video were really nice. Can we get more in the next one?
My probability of finding a girlfriend is higher than matching up with a good Hamster in ranked.
as a ball player since ow1, thanks for this. btw i started using more rein since your video and it is reaaally satisfying
as a mercy main i always pocket a good hampter
Moral of the story; let him cook.
Genji and ball are just the two most gigachad characters and it’s very sad to see how blizzard is treating them. Especially genji
why do we play ball? because ball is life and we are chads
Reminds me when overwatch was new and everyone would rage if you picked hanzo
Tbh i hate the state OW community is in. You can be playing casual and some toxic dickhead will yell at you for picking the wrong character, the un-meta character thats gonna make em lose. And im just sittin here like i just wanna have fun man.. Not like youre gonna lose rank or anything.
Iunno, as Dunkey once said "it went from a game with many wonderful characters, to a game where you get yelled at for picking the wrong one". Its sooo boring when people pick the same characters over and over, expecting nothing to change, its insanity!
Basically let hammond cook
As a game designer myself, I wanna ask everyone:
If you could change anything about Hammond, improve his kit, change an ability etc. What would you do? Keep his kit the exact same? I'm genuinely curious!
I think his guns are kinda generic compared to his kit, all sorts of close range abilities and playstyle, but then he just has generic fps machine guns, it’s strange because they look to be 4 heavy machine guns that would do incredible damage (each one would realistically be stronger than an assault rifle like soldier’s or widow’s primary) but altogether they are no better than any DPS’s single gun. I think it would be cooler if they were something more interesting like flamethrowers (his original weapons during development) that would go well with his “get in, cause close-range chaos to multiple targets, and get out” play style
@@moltensh4dow506 Yeah, i always kinda found it weird they moved away from the flamethrower idea. Like they keep going for it, testing, then swapping the idea for a gun. I dont think it would be too hard to setup since its 2 Mai's guns but red and does damage over time than slows down.
Coulda legit had ball smacks do 2x damage to burning enemies for some kind of combos. And the mine field bombs coulda set enemies on fire too.
@@moltensh4dow506 flamethrowers have a mixed track record in gaming (pyro from tf2) and I guess it was felt to be easier to introduce a hitscan automatic weapon. Although I agree Hammond with a flamethrower would have been a nice addition to weapon variety in the tank role.
@@ScoutOW2 I think they dropped the flamethrowers for several reasons 1. I think they thought flamethrowers would have been *too* good with how well they would go with his kit, and would lead to too much multi-target burst damage.
2. Even though flamethrowers go well with his playstyle, it wouldn’t go very well with his theme, since he’s all about physical contact and momentum, he’s wrecking ball, not fire ball.
3. Even though there’s killing, shooting, slashing and i think even some blood when an enemy gets damaged, and even enemies burning and wincing in pain when ashe lights them on fire, maybe Blizzard thought it would be too far for their age rating to have a character blazing enemies in a gout of fire *while* they are screaming in pain.
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1. Yeah it would be pretty OP if its as powerful as other weapons, but i dont think it should have killing potential, deals low damage but setting them on fire causing your main ball attack do more damage.
2. Yeah but their theme is always based on their moves, while having flamethrowers maybe they planned on calling him something like Fireball? He does turn into one rn while going high speeds.
3. Iunno about that tbh. They have stated fairly recently (i forgot the source) that theyre working on a fire guy recently. Which they keep doing over the entire lifespan of the game, but always end up reworking the flames out. And plus Ashe's TNT never got reworked in OW2 to not set enemies on fire.
Maybe its cause (coming from someone who plays TF2) flamethrowers kinda dont feel as good to shoot. They dont have that impact ya know. In TF2 its always more fun to set the enemies on fire, swap to a shotgun or flare and finish them off. Just look at Mai, imagine her without that ice shard launch.
good to see another aussie ball 1 trick, im in plat and its rough especially in this region i have 7.75 elims per life after 14 hours yet only 59% winrate
I went 59 and 7 with Wrecking ball a couple weeks ago.
Better flanker than tracer. More bombs too.
I don't care about what tank my team has, as long as they're good at them, that's what matters
keep up the content bro. also could we get a vid on your opinion in meta rn with ashe and sojourn getting pocketed all game, imo mercy damage boost should be tweaked down a bit
The ball pick description feels the same as a support wanting to play brig atm. People act like certain characters are crap yet dont understand how those heroes work
Winston/Zarya are my main tanks since OW1
Having fun putting in hours into Doomfist/Wrecking Ball trying to adapt them for front lining