I really do like the deck tech. I don’t need it to be long or drawn out. I do like when you tell me which deck it is, what it does, and your tech. It’s nice for reference to see your logic of the deck. Quick incites into your deck choices are really helpful.
Came here to support this sentiment. I learn so much more from your decision making process when I know what the decks main goal is. I know people skip past it often :/
I agree, I can watch anyone play magic.... There are hundreds doing it. I want to hear how CGB mind works... And knowing what he is trying to accomplish with the deck and how the pieces work is integral to that end.
tbh i find it kind of annoying when the deck tech isnt there with his thought process (i find it the most interesting part of the videos to ge tinto the mind set). I wanna see what hes playing so i can get some idea whats going on before the matches start. I was fine when he stopped showing the WL for the video analytics. But Dropping the deck tech and ending Wrap up annoys me to no end.
@@shiftygypsy89migh41 A potential reason that is justifiable is that these types of slow poison proliferate decks are a year (almost 2?) old now so he may expect the viewers to be familiar if you watch regularly or are on arena in the last 2 years to see these decks running around(especially those featured on this channel). There weren't too many changes to the decklist. The same would apply to the Boros tokens deck the other day since several hours of content was put on the internet of that deck and it was dominant as an archetype recently.
(When the monored deck has clearly had no creatures in hand for six turns straight) "Hmmm, should I counter their sole creature? Or should I rely on my -1/-1 removal? Nah, my removal's good enough, there's no way I die here" :dies:
@@getlooky736 4 Anoint with Affliction 4 Bring the Ending 4 Cut Down 4 Darkslick Shores 1 Deadly Cover-Up 4 Experimental Augury 4 Gloomlake Verge 2 Go for the Throat 1 Island 3 Mirrex 4 Prologue to Phyresis 1 Rona's Vortex 2 Serum Snare 2 Sheoldred's Edict 4 Swamp 4 The Tale of Tamiyo 2 Undercity Sewers 4 Underground River 4 Vraska's Fall 2 Whisper of the Dross
the tech for this deck is tale of tamiyo with all instants. It draws u massive amount of cards and then final chapter u can usually almost poison them out of ur gy. Legenvd had that in his poison list! :)
I've been occasionally breaking out no creature dimir poison since Murders at Kharlov using Case of the Ransacked Lab instead of Founding. It is always hilarious realize you opponent kept a hand full of creature removal and just has to sit there and watch themselves perish...
I remember brewing UB infect control in old scars of mirrodin standard. Phyrexian Crusaders, inkmoth nexus and a Skittles were the win cons. Corrupted resolve was a house
This deck is so wild card friendly! Glad to see a build of this deck because I've been running a similar one with deadly cover up, but I think more cheap removal is better. I'll bet CGB misses memory deluge because I do!
I had a player use No More Lies on my turn 2 Bumbleflower's Sharepot. It made me scratch my head because even if I wanted to target any of their permanent it's 5 mana to activate. Was wild
I'm playing a Sultai version of it. I dropped the reject imperfection, vraska's fall and the Founding, for Venerated Rotpriest and Billious skulldweller. I may be using too many lands. I think vraska's fall will be ok... Or innskeeper's talent. Just the rotpriest alone is great, they remove it, they already got a poison, no need for prologue. And we can bounce it and give them 3 poison in the process, or we can whisper it in opp's end phase to give 2 poison. It's great. With multiple rotpriest in the field, it's a party
i enjoy toxic so much but it feels a little too slow in the current bo1 meta. ive been cooking esper toxic but balancing the value generation and proliferation is tough.
CGB, what was that in your short video about MTG Arena doing some kind of price change soon? Can you explain? I just got back into Arena and spent a pretty penny, I'm hoping it wasn't a bad idea...
Just wanted to say I (and im sure lots of other people) would love a budget series from the one in best of one! I wish I could try out a bunch of different strategies but arena economy doesnt make it possible.
I have a special love for this deck because it is one of the few decks that basically feel like a Set Constructed deck. Love when a Set mechanic is decent enough to make its own deck, just feels mechanically great.
I completely disagree. The fact that a deck must play the same 4 cards as a 4 of the same archetype to work and has no flex spots whatsoever and wins in a basically uninteractable way is painfully close to the average mill deck
@schweizerdavid I never thought about adding the enchantments, so I did remove a couple things to make room for them. Other than that I basically ran an identical version. What are you running?
Hi cgb, I just got a fun Idea for those collab videos you guys are doing, thought I'd share it: What sparked the idea is the card "Wizards of the ________". The format could be: Is the card from a legal set or is it unglued? I dont know if you can find enaugh crazy stuff that can compare to unglued cards, but the concept sounds very entertaining to me.
The decks will be more consistent, so it will be as powerful,just less volatile. Gruul Prowess is the most played deck right now in Worlds and only 3 out of 20 use the Leyline.
@@a.artmaster8733 I focus more on proliferate control. Most cards are doing double duty. The only DSK addition was the Verge which helped this deck immensely. This deck is fairly consistent. Usually, my turn 1 play is to gain life with a Dismal Backwater since I need to survive long enough to poison and need the blue mana. Turn 2 is either Prologue or hold up Bring the Ending. Turn 3 is usually Vraska's Fall or Infectious Inquiry if I still need that 1st poison counter or hold for Reject Imperfection or Bring the Ending. I tried playing this deck creatureless, but found that Rat is a good way to defend and get a poison counter as long as they already have one. Occasionally, Rat can be used for that first poison counter. Vraska is a one-of. Because this deck has few creatures, she dies quickly to removal that the opponent has had sitting in their hand the whole game, itching to be used. She is good for a poison counter or troublesome creature removal. Many games end with top-decking a Distorted Curiosity and drawing two proliferate cards. This deck tends to be good against longer, grindy matches like Reanimation, Azorius Control, or token decks that use Caretaker's Talent. If I can get a poison counter on turn 2 or 3 and still be alive, I have a good chance of winning because there are just enough card draw, removal, and counter spells to lock down the game. Up the Beanstalk, Cornucopia, Forge, and the Talents (not including Bandit's) are amazing Snare targets. My deck: 2 Whisper of the Dross 4 Bring the Ending 4 Experimental Augury 4 Prologue to Phyresis 4 Serum Snare 2 Blighbelly Rat 4 Drown in Ichor 4 Distorted Curiosity 3 Reject Imperfection 4 Vraska's Fall 1 Vraska, Betrayal's Sting 4 Swamps 4 Islands 3 Darkslick Shores 4 Dismal Backwater 4 Gloomlake Verge 2 Mirrex
@@a.artmaster8733 The reply I originally wrote doesn't show up here so I'll try again. My deck is more proliferate control. Most cards do double duty. I tried making it creatureless but found Rat does have its uses. Vraka is a one-of because she tends to die to all of the removal opponents have in their hand, itching to be used. Turn 1 tends to be Backwater since I need life to drag out the game. Turn 2 is usually Prologue to poison or hold up Ending. Turn 3 is usually Fall or Inquiry if I still need to poison or hold up Reject or Ending. Snare is useful against Cornucopia, most Talents, Up the Beanstalk, and Forge. 4 Swamp (HBG) 300 4 Bring the Ending (ONE) 44 4 Island (HBG) 296 3 Reject Imperfection (ONE) 67 4 Serum Snare (ONE) 68 4 Dismal Backwater (MOM) 269 4 Vraska's Fall (ONE) 116 4 Experimental Augury (ONE) 49 3 Infectious Inquiry (ONE) 97 3 Darkslick Shores (ONE) 250 4 Prologue to Phyresis (ONE) 65 4 Drown in Ichor (ONE) 91 4 Distorted Curiosity (ONE) 46 2 Mirrex (ONE) 254 2 Blightbelly Rat (ONE) 85 1 Vraska, Betrayal's Sting (ONE) 115 4 Gloomlake Verge (DSK) 260 2 Whisper of the Dross (ONE) 117
When you lose connection your mage is still on the battlefield and game thinks you just don't do anything. When your opponent plays dynamically and then stops doing anything at all you know that something is wrong. It happened to me to. I lost connection and then regained it and it was obvious that turn or two has passed and my opponent advanced a lot during this time. That is really a shame. Program should take into account the fact that the connection of one player has been lost.
Just wanted to say I (and im sure lots of other people) would love a budget series from the one in best of one! I wish I could try out a bunch of different strategies but arena economy doesnt make it possible. Love how budget friendly this deck is
Why not add the tasha's saga that draws a card for every 2 of the same type you draw? That draws 1-4 cards each turn kinda, since the rest is all instants.
That last mono red game should have played Whisper after the first buff targeted and cooy targeted. He would have still got 4 buffs on but it would have negated the first two and the creature wouldnt have attacked, so only 12 dmg. Still alive and probably winning. Just got tilted and beat yourself really
But then they just monsterous rage to make it X/2 and then kill I think not countering scamp was the mistake, it's the most powerful single in that deck since it self-flings for extra damage; and clearly opp lacked creatures.
the second i see a spell that has no business giving me poison counters, i quit. i really have to run melira and negates in my sideboard for an archetype that shouldnt exist?
I really do like the deck tech. I don’t need it to be long or drawn out. I do like when you tell me which deck it is, what it does, and your tech. It’s nice for reference to see your logic of the deck. Quick incites into your deck choices are really helpful.
Came here to support this sentiment. I learn so much more from your decision making process when I know what the decks main goal is. I know people skip past it often :/
I agree, I can watch anyone play magic.... There are hundreds doing it. I want to hear how CGB mind works... And knowing what he is trying to accomplish with the deck and how the pieces work is integral to that end.
tbh i find it kind of annoying when the deck tech isnt there with his thought process (i find it the most interesting part of the videos to ge tinto the mind set). I wanna see what hes playing so i can get some idea whats going on before the matches start. I was fine when he stopped showing the WL for the video analytics. But Dropping the deck tech and ending Wrap up annoys me to no end.
I agree, I enjoy the deck techs. 'insights' not 'incites' btw
@@shiftygypsy89migh41 A potential reason that is justifiable is that these types of slow poison proliferate decks are a year (almost 2?) old now so he may expect the viewers to be familiar if you watch regularly or are on arena in the last 2 years to see these decks running around(especially those featured on this channel). There weren't too many changes to the decklist.
The same would apply to the Boros tokens deck the other day since several hours of content was put on the internet of that deck and it was dominant as an archetype recently.
(When the monored deck has clearly had no creatures in hand for six turns straight) "Hmmm, should I counter their sole creature? Or should I rely on my -1/-1 removal? Nah, my removal's good enough, there's no way I die here" :dies:
because he's as dense as a bot
I was like… Wtf are you doing?? 😂
That was painful to watch...
extremely painful
I’ve had lots of success w The Tale of Tamiyo in this deck. Thanks for playing the objectively best control deck in the format!
How many copies? What do you take out? List?
@@getlooky736
4 Anoint with Affliction
4 Bring the Ending
4 Cut Down
4 Darkslick Shores
1 Deadly Cover-Up
4 Experimental Augury
4 Gloomlake Verge
2 Go for the Throat
1 Island
3 Mirrex
4 Prologue to Phyresis
1 Rona's Vortex
2 Serum Snare
2 Sheoldred's Edict
4 Swamp
4 The Tale of Tamiyo
2 Undercity Sewers
4 Underground River
4 Vraska's Fall
2 Whisper of the Dross
the new Tamiyo saga is pretty good in this type of deck
the tech for this deck is tale of tamiyo with all instants. It draws u massive amount of cards and then final chapter u can usually almost poison them out of ur gy.
Legenvd had that in his poison list! :)
I've been occasionally breaking out no creature dimir poison since Murders at Kharlov using Case of the Ransacked Lab instead of Founding. It is always hilarious realize you opponent kept a hand full of creature removal and just has to sit there and watch themselves perish...
Thats when I send a love hedron emote and concede no point playing a loosing match
I remember brewing UB infect control in old scars of mirrodin standard. Phyrexian Crusaders, inkmoth nexus and a Skittles were the win cons. Corrupted resolve was a house
For what it's worth, this is still one of the best go-to budget standard decks around.
🎵Your poison runnin' thru my veins.... 🎵
CGB can be a REALLY good narrator in a MTG Arena Torunament. I definately would watch it.
"Toxic Dimir" is always a double entendre.
Sincerely, someone interested in dimir
First non-pay to win comment
Why not counter that red creature? 😮
This deck is so wild card friendly! Glad to see a build of this deck because I've been running a similar one with deadly cover up, but I think more cheap removal is better. I'll bet CGB misses memory deluge because I do!
Emmy cameo at 20:20
I got hammered by this deck today, should’ve known it’s CGB. CGB!!!
I had a player use No More Lies on my turn 2 Bumbleflower's Sharepot. It made me scratch my head because even if I wanted to target any of their permanent it's 5 mana to activate. Was wild
the poison deck is actually insane flavor for the horror set because it's something magic players truly fear
I'm playing a Sultai version of it. I dropped the reject imperfection, vraska's fall and the Founding, for Venerated Rotpriest and Billious skulldweller. I may be using too many lands. I think vraska's fall will be ok... Or innskeeper's talent. Just the rotpriest alone is great, they remove it, they already got a poison, no need for prologue. And we can bounce it and give them 3 poison in the process, or we can whisper it in opp's end phase to give 2 poison. It's great. With multiple rotpriest in the field, it's a party
i enjoy toxic so much but it feels a little too slow in the current bo1 meta. ive been cooking esper toxic but balancing the value generation and proliferation is tough.
Hey, I _am_ playing the 80-card pile you mention! I loved the deck! I'm nowhere near mythic, though, as I don't really play Standard...
Uh-oh, CGB is being toxic again.
CGB could you please but the decklist at either end of the vid?
CGB, what was that in your short video about MTG Arena doing some kind of price change soon? Can you explain? I just got back into Arena and spent a pretty penny, I'm hoping it wasn't a bad idea...
You spent money in Arena- it already was a bad idea 😂
@@artemused4363 lol, I know, right?
But he said something about a price change next week
Yo this deck feels so good, especially after playing rotpriest toxic aggro with leyline for a while
Just wanted to say I (and im sure lots of other people) would love a budget series from the one in best of one! I wish I could try out a bunch of different strategies but arena economy doesnt make it possible.
Opening hand: Reject Imperfection
Decklist: Doesn't have Reject Imperfection
I am confused
That's because it sucks in the deck. It's only in the first game.
I have a special love for this deck because it is one of the few decks that basically feel like a Set Constructed deck. Love when a Set mechanic is decent enough to make its own deck, just feels mechanically great.
I completely disagree.
The fact that a deck must play the same 4 cards as a 4 of the same archetype to work and has no flex spots whatsoever and wins in a basically uninteractable way is painfully close to the average mill deck
I wonder how good Ivy decks could be in this standard? Might be too slow, but also could be interesting.
@16:00 its times like this when I really miss path of peril
Noooo not the deck I've been playing forever! Now everyone will use it!
Me too, a version of it
@schweizerdavid I never thought about adding the enchantments, so I did remove a couple things to make room for them. Other than that I basically ran an identical version. What are you running?
Hi cgb, I just got a fun Idea for those collab videos you guys are doing, thought I'd share it:
What sparked the idea is the card "Wizards of the ________".
The format could be: Is the card from a legal set or is it unglued?
I dont know if you can find enaugh crazy stuff that can compare to unglued cards, but the concept sounds very entertaining to me.
The amount of games you lost by top-decking land in this 20-land deck when almost any other card would have won the card is pretty crazy.
biggest issue with MTGA is when it decides to mana screw you. no amount of shuffling or muligans fixes it when it DECIDES TO SCREW YOU.
dimir poison control might be the worst thing ive ever seen. i love it
This build has some legs, just needs some tweaking(+2-3 sweepers, less spot removal, +1-2 BIG card draw(Sliver Scrutiny, Tamiyo saga, etc.)
They banned it!! New to this, how much does leylines affect mono red? Or is it still going to be super powerful?
It's still going to be powerful but it definitely won't be as unfun to play against.
Leyline allowed for a turn 2 kill with the right draw. Without it, it's still possible in turn 3/4, just less consistent.
ull still die turn 3/4 but having 1 extra turn in worst case scenarios is more of a game then t2 24hp kill
It might inadvertently be more powerful because people won't throw away good hands trying to mulligan for leyline anymore
The decks will be more consistent, so it will be as powerful,just less volatile. Gruul Prowess is the most played deck right now in Worlds and only 3 out of 20 use the Leyline.
Man, they really gave him both the carrot _and_ the stick at the end there.
I recently made mythic with my version of this deck without Tamiyo.
Do you also run the enchantment that makes instants/sorceries cost 1 less? What’s your different in your list than this one?
@@a.artmaster8733 I focus more on proliferate control. Most cards are doing double duty. The only DSK addition was the Verge which helped this deck immensely. This deck is fairly consistent. Usually, my turn 1 play is to gain life with a Dismal Backwater since I need to survive long enough to poison and need the blue mana. Turn 2 is either Prologue or hold up Bring the Ending. Turn 3 is usually Vraska's Fall or Infectious Inquiry if I still need that 1st poison counter or hold for Reject Imperfection or Bring the Ending. I tried playing this deck creatureless, but found that Rat is a good way to defend and get a poison counter as long as they already have one. Occasionally, Rat can be used for that first poison counter. Vraska is a one-of. Because this deck has few creatures, she dies quickly to removal that the opponent has had sitting in their hand the whole game, itching to be used. She is good for a poison counter or troublesome creature removal. Many games end with top-decking a Distorted Curiosity and drawing two proliferate cards. This deck tends to be good against longer, grindy matches like Reanimation, Azorius Control, or token decks that use Caretaker's Talent. If I can get a poison counter on turn 2 or 3 and still be alive, I have a good chance of winning because there are just enough card draw, removal, and counter spells to lock down the game. Up the Beanstalk, Cornucopia, Forge, and the Talents (not including Bandit's) are amazing Snare targets.
My deck:
2 Whisper of the Dross
4 Bring the Ending
4 Experimental Augury
4 Prologue to Phyresis
4 Serum Snare
2 Blighbelly Rat
4 Drown in Ichor
4 Distorted Curiosity
3 Reject Imperfection
4 Vraska's Fall
1 Vraska, Betrayal's Sting
4 Swamps
4 Islands
3 Darkslick Shores
4 Dismal Backwater
4 Gloomlake Verge
2 Mirrex
@@a.artmaster8733 The reply I originally wrote doesn't show up here so I'll try again. My deck is more proliferate control. Most cards do double duty. I tried making it creatureless but found Rat does have its uses. Vraka is a one-of because she tends to die to all of the removal opponents have in their hand, itching to be used. Turn 1 tends to be Backwater since I need life to drag out the game. Turn 2 is usually Prologue to poison or hold up Ending. Turn 3 is usually Fall or Inquiry if I still need to poison or hold up Reject or Ending. Snare is useful against Cornucopia, most Talents, Up the Beanstalk, and Forge.
4 Swamp (HBG) 300
4 Bring the Ending (ONE) 44
4 Island (HBG) 296
3 Reject Imperfection (ONE) 67
4 Serum Snare (ONE) 68
4 Dismal Backwater (MOM) 269
4 Vraska's Fall (ONE) 116
4 Experimental Augury (ONE) 49
3 Infectious Inquiry (ONE) 97
3 Darkslick Shores (ONE) 250
4 Prologue to Phyresis (ONE) 65
4 Drown in Ichor (ONE) 91
4 Distorted Curiosity (ONE) 46
2 Mirrex (ONE) 254
2 Blightbelly Rat (ONE) 85
1 Vraska, Betrayal's Sting (ONE) 115
4 Gloomlake Verge (DSK) 260
2 Whisper of the Dross (ONE) 117
@@schweizerdavid okay thank you for the reply and list!! Much love
When you lose connection your mage is still on the battlefield and game thinks you just don't do anything. When your opponent plays dynamically and then stops doing anything at all you know that something is wrong. It happened to me to. I lost connection and then regained it and it was obvious that turn or two has passed and my opponent advanced a lot during this time. That is really a shame. Program should take into account the fact that the connection of one player has been lost.
When covert blue forgets that mirex gives 1 mana of any color on tbe turn you play it, so he gets less value and loses the game. 💀
So this is why I played against this deck 6 times in a row this morning. Cool....
IS the Decklist an other one? Missing listed Reject Imperfection
Should try mono blue poison with the spellslinger case
Have any foundations updates for this?
Standard is literally pauper now.
Orzhov Tithing Blade, annoying reanimator decks, poison storm, and of course
The mono red deck
That was kinda painful, but I love the deck.
Just wanted to say I (and im sure lots of other people) would love a budget series from the one in best of one! I wish I could try out a bunch of different strategies but arena economy doesnt make it possible. Love how budget friendly this deck is
First game was brutal. Holy cow. That was some unfortunate draws. Algorithm comment achieved.
Why aren't you like the other youtubers? They always have 2000% win rates 😜
Why not add the tasha's saga that draws a card for every 2 of the same type you draw? That draws 1-4 cards each turn kinda, since the rest is all instants.
Look at that budget deck!
true RNG is a cruel mistress....in person dueling always has people spreading out cards in favorable orders so shuffling matters little 🤣🤣🤣
That last mono red game should have played Whisper after the first buff targeted and cooy targeted. He would have still got 4 buffs on but it would have negated the first two and the creature wouldnt have attacked, so only 12 dmg. Still alive and probably winning. Just got tilted and beat yourself really
But then they just monsterous rage to make it X/2 and then kill
I think not countering scamp was the mistake, it's the most powerful single in that deck since it self-flings for extra damage; and clearly opp lacked creatures.
I DO hate this deck!!
I also miss the opening and deck tech
It's funny I got a 60 card non competitive deck containing 58 land that beats this deck almost every time
What happened to my beloved deck tech that was probably my favorite part of the video :(
First for Poison Purple Pain. LETSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Dimir forever baby.
That’s my favorite, draw ANY card and win the game… land land land land land 😢
the second i see a spell that has no business giving me poison counters, i quit. i really have to run melira and negates in my sideboard for an archetype that shouldnt exist?
huh, are there 0 rares in this deck other than lands?
should of countered the creature like you said lol feelsbadman
Play Tamiyo saga instead of the Third Path saga. Its nuts
I wanna save this counter for creatures... lets creature be cast. Loses... *surprised Pikachu face*
Ye we hear your dog and your door
there's black cards that can minus all opponents creatures yet this bot doesn't add any
please lower music volume
Second non-pay to win comment
Poison counter are dumbest mechanic in the game, and that's saying something.
No new cards squad
Didn’t you dealt the game cuz Mano red
Imagine a deck maining Phyrexian Obliterater, Mindskinner, and The Void Leyline. This Dimir Deck Inspired me lol
Also the greed to the best out of you there hahahaha never let mono red have a creature
Such a cheap deck! Very nice
I really don't care for this new video naming structure. LOVE and HATE tell me absolutely nothing and its really clickbaity and kind of icky
I like this deck a lot, but i also got a lot flooded when i most needed a single spell so sad
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Mono red passing first 3 turns is crazy. If it was me they already have 4 creatures.
except the lands, 0 rares ... nice
31:00 и далее.... просто неадекватная игра... матные слова и т.д.
Most poison is rotating out of standard next year? Hope they dont reprint any of that crap. Or change the rules to 20 poison to lose the game
Why is every one of your titles hate centered? Are you just trying to farm hate or is that all you can think of?
I hate this deck.
MTG is in the worst state it’s been for along time. Wizards needs to start banning cards and get it back to a balanced state
Boring Deck...
Garbage deck
Not just Standard. I hate poison and anyone who plays that stupid mechanic.