@@liindawgg I mean doing four tracks on it. The closest similar thing would be double-8 that would run two tracks on 16mm film and then when being processed it would be slit into two regular 8mm pieces of film
🤩 THIS IS SO COOOL. My #1 piece of advice as somebody who has shipped a lot of technical products is this: don’t wait til the next version is done, people with 3d printers and technical skills can absolutely use this now, and contribute to your next version. This looks totally useable! You could sell the project plans and STLs/software. I have a collection of vintage and antique c-mount and d-mount lenses and figured I’d never get to use them on film due to the expense. I can’t wait.
very nice! one note you might want to consider for v3... current version has the film moving "vertically", while the lens mount moves "horizontally" - please consider for the new version that both the vertical and horizontal movement is performed by the film (and corresponding mechanics) while the lens and lens mount is static. this will bring a lot of benefit regarding structural soundness, with the chassis of the camera being one with the lens and lens mount, enabling the use of heavier lenses and different mounts. would be a great benefit, especially since such a setup can be flexible about filming at 4x or 3x or 2x or maybe 1x (frames per horizontal "row"). I'd love to hear more about this if you think it makes sense - and will gladly provide any input or feedback based on my thought process.
Thanks for the feedback Bogdan. I've been previously playing whit this idea of having fixed lens while horizontally moving the film internally or via some sort of prism split for each column. The problem is that with horizontal movement the whole internal "guts" would have to move very precisely and that would be to complex and prone to failures, not to mention the camera size would increase drastically. Whit prism there is simply not enough space between the lense mount and the film (whit shutter inbetween). Current system whit lense movement is the best option now and it's been tested with more heavier lenses and works ok, even in cameras lying position. Regarding the flexibility of shooting with less columns (to acheive wider aspect ratios), I think it would be possible to achieve this. Recent test I did shown of a possibility to shot in 4-column system for 4:3 ratio or a 3-column 16:9 ratio. If practical, I would implement in the V3 that I'm working on and would be user selectable via gate adapter.
that project is just plain awesome ! you are chilling on youtube, and a guy from nowhere re-invent a way to shoot film on film without the fear of piercing your wallet. Sub and belled, i want to see the mark 3 and i'm already thinking about backing it.
Yay! Sooo excited about these developments. Thank you very much for continuing with this project; it’s really cool. And I can’t wait to order the finished product!
I apprecited the new videos you added to your website. One thing is still not clear to me -- what is the process of switching tracks between the 4 tracks of film on the 35mm strip? Is it done manually? Does the motor do it? And how long of an uninterrupted shot can you get when shooting, say, 18fps? Thank you!
The process of switching between 4 tracks is done automatically via stepper motor, when the end is reached, the user doesn't have to do anything. Longest uninterrupted shooting on 36-exposure roll at 18fps is 16s.
Hey, quick question for you. The camera rewinds to the beginning of the reel to do the next line, correct? Why not make it record from bottom to top and then just correct when scanned? That way, there isn't a big pause of it having to rewind all the way to the top?
Hi, yes, the current version shots from the beginning to end and then rewinds it, the pause is about 17s. The next version I'm currently working on, if possible, would be shot in a "snake" fashion, so the interruption would be minimized.
BIG plus for the mechanics, simpler than rotating prisms (which i had in mind the hour before i found your video;) and a good answer to the absurdly high super8 prices nowadays only 1 weak point: the scanning: it makes the per se probably very good material look way worse than necessary idk but i guess you use some uC based cmos module with white led backlight that causes color problems, noise etc, i can recommend using for "scanning" the frames a 10y old small canon ixus digicam, some models have excellent colour, with chdk (controllable via ptp) which also enables raw on some models, small enough to be built in your contraption, and use a real full spectrum backlight (there are very simple cheap options for that) and then use an appropriate software for negative conversion (most softwares destroy color integrity because of wrong handling of the orange mask) and you will get excellent results.
yes, the colors are a bit wacky due to my still learning work with post color correction and maybe the LED desk lamp doesn't have the best color rendering index. The camera should include a good white backlight LED.
@@BlazSemprimoznik it already looks usable, but besides color there are other problems with the scans. your invention sure can produce really high quality and aesthecially pleasing results if scanning and postpro is optimized, which would be an interesting task to experiment with for me, if you like, send me some raw scanned frames, i try some methods and send you the results. for backlight i recommend an incandescent bulb (no led etc) because of its totally continous spectrum (just like in old super 8 projectors), maybe with a blue filter to make it whiter, so the colour temperature doesnt have to be bent too much in camera or afterwards.
This is honestly amazing! Do you have any idea of a proposed cost if you do a run of them? Also can you do a video where you go through the developing amd scanning process please???
Dude single handedly invented a new film format like it’s no big deal. A sort of quad-8 but bigger.
I’m confused I thought 35 mm video was always a thing in the movie industry?
@@liindawgg I mean doing four tracks on it. The closest similar thing would be double-8 that would run two tracks on 16mm film and then when being processed it would be slit into two regular 8mm pieces of film
I need one! I don't hesitate to buy when you sell!☺️
great !!! 😃
Let;'s ring that Bell. 🔔🔔🔔
Love the Project!!
This update has made my day. So excited about the prospect of shooting on this. Fantastic work as always!
🤩 THIS IS SO COOOL. My #1 piece of advice as somebody who has shipped a lot of technical products is this: don’t wait til the next version is done, people with 3d printers and technical skills can absolutely use this now, and contribute to your next version. This looks totally useable! You could sell the project plans and STLs/software. I have a collection of vintage and antique c-mount and d-mount lenses and figured I’d never get to use them on film due to the expense. I can’t wait.
Brilliant!
Human creativity really has no boundaries. It looks amazing, my man! Keep it up.
I NEED THIS.
HOORAY! Never quit. so stoked to have one in my hands, someday.
That's so cool man! Love to see more in the future!
im very hyped to see where this project goes the moment you said sound sync I lost my mind im in this for the long haul
Yes, my next camera version should be able to run at true/correct FPS, any side recorded sound should easily be synched.
@@BlazSemprimoznik any possible way to maybe adapt it for use with traditional motion picture 35mm film magazines ?
@@Andoonline That's a though one :), although I'm thinking maybe later design could use special adapter that would allow loading more film, we'll see.
This is awesome omg!!!
very nice!
one note you might want to consider for v3... current version has the film moving "vertically", while the lens mount moves "horizontally" - please consider for the new version that both the vertical and horizontal movement is performed by the film (and corresponding mechanics) while the lens and lens mount is static. this will bring a lot of benefit regarding structural soundness, with the chassis of the camera being one with the lens and lens mount, enabling the use of heavier lenses and different mounts. would be a great benefit, especially since such a setup can be flexible about filming at 4x or 3x or 2x or maybe 1x (frames per horizontal "row"). I'd love to hear more about this if you think it makes sense - and will gladly provide any input or feedback based on my thought process.
Thanks for the feedback Bogdan. I've been previously playing whit this idea of having fixed lens while horizontally moving the film internally or via some sort of prism split for each column. The problem is that with horizontal movement the whole internal "guts" would have to move very precisely and that would be to complex and prone to failures, not to mention the camera size would increase drastically. Whit prism there is simply not enough space between the lense mount and the film (whit shutter inbetween). Current system whit lense movement is the best option now and it's been tested with more heavier lenses and works ok, even in cameras lying position. Regarding the flexibility of shooting with less columns (to acheive wider aspect ratios), I think it would be possible to achieve this. Recent test I did shown of a possibility to shot in 4-column system for 4:3 ratio or a 3-column 16:9 ratio. If practical, I would implement in the V3 that I'm working on and would be user selectable via gate adapter.
Really cool to see someone actually went ahead with this idea and in such a well performing manner! 💪
🔥🔥👍 We all wait!
This is great news - looking forward to future updates!
that project is just plain awesome ! you are chilling on youtube, and a guy from nowhere re-invent a way to shoot film on film without the fear of piercing your wallet. Sub and belled, i want to see the mark 3 and i'm already thinking about backing it.
Yay! Sooo excited about these developments. Thank you very much for continuing with this project; it’s really cool. And I can’t wait to order the finished product!
Love that you are continuing with the project! Excited to see what is next.
Dude, definitely put me on the wishlist for this.
This is freaking awesome! Really looking forward to seeing how this progresses.
fingers crossed man! This project is incredible!!
Maybe you can make a version using bulk film so that we can get longer clips? God speed brotha really impressed by what you’re doing 👏👏
Hi, on my to-do list for the next camera version, if possible will certainly try it.
You're definitely the coolest kid in town!! Keep the great work! And big thanks
Fantastic! Please add me to your list for upadted information when it happens! Good luck!
i WANT ONE SO BAD.... i CANT WAIT TO HAVE IT
Great news Blaž, can't wait to see the progress. Also, love the sync at the end of the video 🤘
I apprecited the new videos you added to your website. One thing is still not clear to me -- what is the process of switching tracks between the 4 tracks of film on the 35mm strip? Is it done manually? Does the motor do it? And how long of an uninterrupted shot can you get when shooting, say, 18fps? Thank you!
The process of switching between 4 tracks is done automatically via stepper motor, when the end is reached, the user doesn't have to do anything. Longest uninterrupted shooting on 36-exposure roll at 18fps is 16s.
Would love to shoot this when I can Blaz!
This is so exciting!!!!
Very cool, keep up the good work!!
FINALLY SOME GOOD NEWS
Hey, quick question for you. The camera rewinds to the beginning of the reel to do the next line, correct? Why not make it record from bottom to top and then just correct when scanned? That way, there isn't a big pause of it having to rewind all the way to the top?
Hi, yes, the current version shots from the beginning to end and then rewinds it, the pause is about 17s. The next version I'm currently working on, if possible, would be shot in a "snake" fashion, so the interruption would be minimized.
@BlazSemprimoznik Thanks for answering my question and I look forward to seeing your progress on your very cool camera.
BIG plus for the mechanics, simpler than rotating prisms (which i had in mind the hour before i found your video;)
and a good answer to the absurdly high super8 prices nowadays
only 1 weak point: the scanning:
it makes the per se probably very good material look way worse than necessary
idk but i guess you use some uC based cmos module with white led backlight that causes color problems, noise etc,
i can recommend using for "scanning" the frames a 10y old small canon ixus digicam, some models have excellent colour,
with chdk (controllable via ptp) which also enables raw on some models, small enough to be built in your contraption,
and use a real full spectrum backlight (there are very simple cheap options for that)
and then use an appropriate software for negative conversion
(most softwares destroy color integrity because of wrong handling of the orange mask)
and you will get excellent results.
yes, the colors are a bit wacky due to my still learning work with post color correction and maybe the LED desk lamp doesn't have the best color rendering index. The camera should include a good white backlight LED.
@@BlazSemprimoznik yoldal golden led is good
@@BlazSemprimoznik it already looks usable,
but besides color there are other problems with the scans.
your invention sure can produce really high quality and aesthecially pleasing results
if scanning and postpro is optimized,
which would be an interesting task to experiment with for me,
if you like, send me some raw scanned frames, i try some methods and send you the results.
for backlight i recommend an incandescent bulb (no led etc) because of its totally continous spectrum (just like in old super 8 projectors),
maybe with a blue filter to make it whiter, so the colour temperature doesnt have to be bent too much in camera or afterwards.
@@y-o-u-b please dm me via email (on my website) regarding the raw scanned frames.
@@BlazSemprimoznik btw, with RAW, also denoising would be much easier, i would like to try this, because mp4 material is really noisy...
sync sound?? I didn't expect that!
Ikr?
This is honestly amazing! Do you have any idea of a proposed cost if you do a run of them?
Also can you do a video where you go through the developing amd scanning process please???
Great idea, I have put it on my to-do list.
Where Do i buy or make it. ?? I have a 3D printer at home
I hope this can become real
Awesome project! Will you try and make a 16mm version?
Maybe in some other camera design.
pls make some for india and maybe 24fps .it could be a nice 35mm motion camera
So.. what now?
Sign me up please!
It definitely needs USB-C to be taken seriously.
The next version (MK3) will utilize a USB-C connection.