This was one of the BEST stories I have heard on your podcast! Everyone's story is good, but this one really got to me. Thank you so much for sharing with us!! I learned so much about my own faith and beliefs from your story.
God is good and knows me perfectly. Almost a decade before i get acquainted to the church. I learned through my prayers and studies the answers to all my questions, and all i found, it is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Thank you so much for this interview! This one has touched me more than any one yet. I am the mother of 5 children who have all left the church. I love all of his tips and points. Thank you for the words of hope!❤️
Me too - all five. Wonderful kind responsible friendly people all with awesome spouses. Of course I want to share this with them but the spirit is saying hold off a while longer 🙏
Thanks, Wade, for sharing your story. So glad you made it through this trial of your faith. You were a great missionary companion and I learned a lot from you. Arrivederci a presto! Anziano Browning
Hi Fratello! So nice to hear from you. I love sharing the story of my return to faith. I’ve had the honor of speaking to young people who struggle and their families. Love it. We’re seeing many people drawn back to activity which gives me great hope. But of course, it’s always in the Lord’s time. Faith and patience! Tanti auguri!
I needed to hear this as I am coming out of the darkest spiritual time I've ever had. It took me nearly 8 years to ask myself, "Was I deceived?" As Wade said, I thought I knew everything, leading me out of the church. However, just a few days ago, I decided to read "Bamboozled by the CES Letter," and "A Faithful Reply to the CES Letter." I came across this one thing that changed everything: if you are LOOKING for it to NOT be true, you will always find that with which you agree. I was looking for anything that would show me that it was not true, so I could get out from the pressure of what I thought I needed to be the perfect Latter-Day Saint and not find answers to my doubts. But what I did was throw the baby out with the bathwater, and it nearly destroyed my marriage. Thankfully my husband of 30 years stayed with me, but every single child left the church, and even though they said it wasn't because of me, I can't help but feel I had SOME influence - how could I not have? I hope that my coming back into the fold will one day have some influence on them to come back too, but if not, I will always love and support them.
I left, but didn't actually remove my name. Almost eight years ago. "Bamboozled" didn't do anything for me. I don't believe in LDS, but there are times when I miss the fellowship. I think of going back, but I don't want to be hypocritical by going for the fellowship when I don't believe. I am still a Christian believer, and I have come to understand Christ in a different way (like the Trinity). I understand why many people believe again and go back, and I wish them the best. I wish the best for you and yours.
@@Come.Back.Podcast Here is something that you Mormons hate to hear is that if you want to know who are the children of Israel in this entire hemisphere Find the People that were brought here in the ( Hull of ships and sold as male and female slaves, Only 1 People fit's the Curses GOD placed on Israel and that people are the ( Negroes ) It's not one person in the Mormon church can Disprove the Bible
Wade's explanation about "real prophets" with Lehi and his sons was awesome. Great example. It will be used often to teach others. I know I will. The same goes for "a real bishop", "a real stake president", "a real priesthood holder", "a real LDS dad/mom", "a real mission president", "a real missionary companion"...
I am crying tears of joy. I needed to come across your channel and this podcast. This is the confirmation I needed. There are no words to explain how much this meant to me. Thank you Jesus. Thank you Ashly and thank you Wade 🙏❤️
Man, I love that final thought that for those who have stepped away from the path that hope is far from lost. I’ve felt that so many times with my wife’s falling away from the church. Sure it hurts now. But with the big picture provided by a loving Heavenly Father, my worries are easily put to rest.
@@Come.Back.Podcast When are you people going to tell the truth ( GOD doesn't change, ( Amos 3:1-2) Til this very day GOD hasn't dealt with no other Nation of people but Israel his people that Rebelled against him, That's why we can read in the Bible the ( 9 Tribes the Northern Kingdom being removed by the Assyrians in 721 BC and where are they Today ( Isaiah 18:1-7 Beyond the rivers of Ethiopia, That's in Africa, And Judah Benjamin and Levi the 3 tribes Were taken into Captivity and scattered all over the world until the return of Jesus
Wow - thank you for publishing this from Wade. He has been a very close friend since college. He and I and one other were the “quant” jocks in our MBA program and this resonates so strongly with me. Very thankful that Wade shared this publicly as he describes perfectly the struggle of many like me and him that analyze everything from a quantitative view. Well worth the time - thank you Ashly for putting this together.
Thank you- Even the Ten Commandments has fingerprints on it but God wrote them with His own finger. Human finger prints on divinity now boost my testimony that I have a chance too. I’ve been surrounded by loved ones trying to where me down. Im grateful for every packet of light- Love this Thank you
First time I’v seen this channel, I was praying for a confirmation today and many things confirmed what I was looking for and this came on my feed and was like a nice topping for everything.
wade your story is inspiring,i loved it..please think about writing a book,i believe you can help many people that are lost..your older mature way of expressing yourself is awesome,God needs you at this time .am serious, you can change lives
Excellent insight about prophets getting revelation on a need-to-know basis. A lot of really good insights. I'm close to Wade in age and went through similar emotional reactions to having my simplistic ideas of childhood shattered. The attitude with which we engage that process is critical. Also for me, the more I learn - even of the unflattering details - the stronger my conviction grows.
His story about tithing is so on point. I have had so many instances where I felt lost financially and God took care of me and my family. I know these situations are because of paying titbing
For more than 60 years Mozart has been my absolute favorite composer. I love this metaphor: no, there is no way someone could know Mozart without listening to his music.
Thanks for these podcast that you are doing. I have been looking for just this. i knew there were people that had to have regret’s for leaving and choose to come back. I wanted to hear their stories! Thanks so much and keep it up
Wtf is this channel?! This just randomly popped up on my suggested videos, and I love it already! Do you just do interviews of people who left and returned, or do you mix in with people who have had struggles in the church? I've been a full-on believe almost all my life, but my journey through repentance and excommunication is both tragic and wonderful
Being excommunicated is tragic, I have a family member who it happened to and he also came back. People in that circumstance don’t throw away their membership ever again over imperfections of humans in the church, they treasure it! . Yeah, her podcast is sounding the trumpet of people who have left and come back. ❤
Beautiful story! I loved his analogies too. And the last few minutes, about 54:15 to the end…everyone should listen to those few minutes. Thank you for sharing this story of God’s infinite love!
Thank you for sharing, Wade. I have a family member who left after the church leadership essentially pushed the v@x because “they are inspired and should know!” This helped me process their rationale a lot. I will keep praying and fasting for them to be inspired in their own way to see and come back
Thank you Ashley for having this podcast and thank you Wade for sharing your experiences. I think most of us have similar mountains that rise in our paths or in the path of loved ones and your honesty in discussing how you worked around and through yours inspire and uplift me. Thank you Ashley for listening and allowing Wade to tell his story.
I love these podcasts - there are some general themes to each individuals journey that are helpful for me when considering ways to support others on their journey. It does seem to come down to the importance of individuals having personal experiences/miracles. We can support/love people until those personal experiences hopefully occur. Regarding the "solutions to issues/questions" - as I listen broadly to podcasts, I see members reconcile them in different ways - for example with polygamy - those who have come back to the church reconcile the issues in a wide variety of ways - one reading ancestors journals, another determining polygamy was a mistake -but one is still a prophet when they make mistakes - and others still have questions, but are able to make them less central to their faith. Highlights the individuality of the journey I love Wade's comments on the perception of prophets as a "super hero" - I think there was a phase in the church in the 60's/70's/80's where the church was over-claiming and creating a perception of "church has the answer to everything" - I think Wade grew up in that culture (I did as well). As part of "coming out of the wilderness", I feel the church teachings are maturing in this area- though I do feel some of this change was reacting to facts coming out independently vs the church leading in sharing that accurate picture of how God works through flawed prophets (which I think is very powerful as Wade outlined).
Joseph Smith made mistakes, sure. He's human, not Christ. However, they were not the grevieous moral sins that he was and is (even by "believing" LDS members, sadly) accused of. Go back and read what he said and taught privately as well as publicly, from sources that weren't apostates and conspiring to kill him. I did this experiment last month and it blew me away. It's opened up further questions about his successors, but my mind is settled regarding Joseph, THE Prophet of the Restoration. How I love that great, good man.
Mosiah 12: 27 is one of my favorite scriptures. And there's a great talk by Elder Kim B. Clark of the Seventy on this. Its called "Apply your hearts to understanding" (Feb. 8, 2019). Great story thanks for sharing ❤🎉
37:00 I know what you mean. I have always been intellectually curious and when I would dip my toe into a ‘taboo’ topic, I would be worried that this could negatively affect my testimony. Fortunately, that never happened for me - that is not my struggle in life, though I do have others! Now, I vigorously pursue delving into knowledge and the pursuit of truth. I do not shy away from it when sharing with my kids, because I believe it should be part of their knowledge and their testimony. We are hubris and culturally insensitive society, which can make it difficult and jarring when we hear or learn something contrary to our known paradigm. The truth is much more appealing and inviting to me! Knowing that prophets are flawed men and seeing what they can achieve should give us hope and inspiration! Seeing so many ‘broken’ men and women on this podcast that are now spiritually thriving is an inspiration! The power of the atonement of Christ is visible and evident here. This podcast is helping me understand what happened to so many of my fellow missionaries, companions, and friends and how they could ‘leave the gospel’ after preaching about it. Thank you for your story!
I’m 57, the church hiding and denying JS polygamy and hiding the true history has caused a lot of us 30 and older to leave. Now, they’re being more transparent. But it’s a little too late. The most growth is outside the USA now. My brother warned 2 apostles in the 1990s to come clean. He was doing his PhD and had access to the LDS locked library and read pioneer journals. He begged the apostles to not “white wash” the history. Instead, they said to stop digging or they’d excommunicate him. He removed his name instead, in the mid-1990s. If they had come clean earlier, 25 years earlier, this mass exodus would not have happened. This younger generation wants truth and transparency.
Real question: does hiding something, while maybe not the right decision, make the church not true? I hide stuff from my kids all of the time because they're not ready to learn it yet. God keeps things hidden from us all the time. And yet, maybe it was wrong..but thay alone doesn't define the restoration does it? JS still could have received the plates and priesthood. The fruits of this movement seem to suggest that it couldn't have been a sham. Why get so focused on polygamy? Esp when we aren't privy to everything that happened?
@@racealexander1660 they didn’t hide some minor flaw such as JS smoking or drinking after the WoW was revealed, oh wait the church did that. The foundation of the church is very questionable, how can a guy that was taken to court for being a fraud in 1826 be called as a prophet of God just a few years later? How about Joseph Fielding Smith cutting the 1832 first vision account where JS claimed to have seen only Jesus? How about all the changes to the revelations, scriptures, and doctrines that the church now claims were never canonized? The church has systematically lied and hidden its embarrassing history to keep the members in. The internet is putting an end to the church dishonesty.
I'm really enjoying listening to these podcasts, and also the "Saints Unscripted" podcasts. Excellent job! I've already referred both podcasts to some of my relatives, particularly to a niece who is struggling. It's also helpful to those of us whose faith is strong to have a better understanding of those who might be going through a crisis of faith, and/or a life crisis in general, seeing how God works in people's lives and how much He loves each and every one of us and how important it is for us to treat others the same way, to be patient and understanding of them, etc. Appreciate all that you do, and also those folks who share their experiences here :)
I struggle a lot with rationalizing things away. When you shared the story of paying tithing and the salary that you were going to get, my mind rationalized it away by thinking it's not a miracle because anyone that searches for a job is going to look for a certain income from that job. All he did was look for jobs that pay you that amount and one of them gave you a call back. Anyway I don't mean this in a jerky way. That's just how my mind works sometimes. Maybe there's more to the story or there's something I don't understand.
Hi Kolby. Wade here. I genuinely understand what you're saying. I often think exactly the same way! Can human beings mistake fortunate events and coincidences for miracles? Absolutely. Conversely, can we sometimes explain away or minimize authentic miracles as coincidences? Yep. We can be mistaken both ways, I think. So I have come to believe that it's a choice at just about every turn. Think about the miracles reported in the New Testament. They come to us by way of "believers." No doubt, just like today, there were countless people who chose not believe. Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead? No way - he probably wasn't really totally dead...they just couldn't tell. He turned water into wine? Not possible. They probably just added water to containers that still had some wine in them. And so on. Some people chose to believe - other chose not to believe. I really believe that that gray area is part of our mortal circumstances. It seems there has to be a reasonable opportunity to believe either way to maintain our agency, maybe. I think God provides us just enough to believe, but also, just enough not to believe is we so choose. With respect to my finding work, I had just decided not to limit my perception of the world to my intellectual lens only. I was trying to apply my heart somehow. What made those events convincing to me, in part, was the context and the timing. I had only hours before decided to put God to the test, so to speak. " Ok God, if you're really there and looking out for me, help me now. And here's exactly how you can show me." And He did. Given the circumstances and the deepest desires of my heart, I was powerfully compelled to choose to believe. All that said, I understand your point. You're not wrong!
I now understand that Tithing is an Old Covenant law that was fulfilled, like the old law of not eating pork or shellfish. We are under a New Covenant that leads us to the Second Coming of Christ. This is signified by what happened when Jesus died on the cross--the temple veil was torn in two. The Old Covenant is fulfilled, and the New Covenant is now in effect. I understand that I can't tell anyone else what to believe, but what I read in the NT is that we are now to be Cheerful Givers. There is no numerical demand. The Holy Spirit can move you as to how much you, as an individual, should give.
This is good. There are many people who feel unable to resolve their concerns, legitimate concerns, and feel they have nowhere to turn. Many feel there are no answers to their concerns. I find myself wishing these video's would address more of the details regarding the wrestle. What exactly was the hangup? How exactly were the concerns resolved resulting in their return to the Church? Otherwise, i think there will be many "lost souls" who think their own particular situation is different, unique and unresolvable.
An answer to a question is more effective when one does their own work, wrestles with God, and comes to their own resolution. Yes other peoples opinions can be helpful but it is more impactful when you work for it yourself.
@@Come.Back.Podcast I agree, but what do you do when you've wrestled and come to a conclusion that doesn't align with the church? If someone has wrestled with the same issue and has valuable information that might help it would be wise to share it with those who might be persuaded to stay before they leave the church.
@@dckpunk6318 I think one of the things you could internalize from Wade's words here is this: [oh, that's a good question. let's get more information.] Not only do you really not know as much as you think you do about Wade and his work, It's embarrassing you don't have the social awareness to stop yourself from saying inappropriate things to children.
I watched this episode a few days ago and wanted to make some comments but didn’t have the time so I’m circling back now to be self up. I remembered things correctly. While this was a pretty amazing story of paying tithing and securing new employment, perhaps as a result of that, I think we sometimes incorrectly use this as evidence that the church is true. I don’t think that you are necessarily directly connected although they can be they’re not required to be. I think in listening to his story, I don’t necessarily see anything uniquely connected to confirm that the church is true, it’s more like certain assumptions are being made I things that we were told in the church while growing up, for example, if we receive elevated feelings by reading a book of Mormon. We automatically know the church is true and that Russell and Nelson is gods profit today, but I think as one gets older, and you just want critical thinking skills , those things are not necessarily connected as easily as they tell you are in the church I’ve enjoyed listening to the podcast, however, as one who has stepped away from the church, I’m always fascinated to hear the stories of those who have returned, and the reasons for why they do so. thanks for putting this podcast together. It helped me continue to understand I’m not crazy for stepping away.
He was just giving one example of something that made him start to reconsider. Don't forget the promptings he kept having in his head telling him to pay tithing. That's a random thought for an inactive member to have over and over again, isn't it? 100% guarantee that life outside the church is not better than life in. Have you ever felt the spirit so strong that you couldn't bear the thought of it leaving? It's a place of pure joy. And you know it's real because you're literally willing to give up all your sins and imperfections and hand them to God. To have your heart changed by the spirit is a miracle. These things have to be sought with eyes to see, and ears to hear. Broken heart. Humility. God will reveal himself to you in the book of mormon and in sincere prayer if you seek him.
@@racealexander1660 Life outside the church is now going on 4 years vs 26 years in the church and I’m not feeling too much different. It’s all about perspective. I’m still happily married, I don’t drink or smoke, etc. Life in the church couldn’t continue for me because of the doctrinal problems and truth claim challenges. I realize some people can navigate or nuance these but not possible for me. The church taught me that my feelings were a way for me to know the doctrinal truths of the church. After leaving, I discovered that my feelings aren’t always the best way to determine something. How many times have you had a feeling about something and it turned out to mean something different? How many bishops have been called who weren’t supposed to be in that position, etc. How many church prophets change what previous church prophets received by revelation? Were those not strong feelings received by the prior prophets? Once one determines that feelings can mean any number of things, it changes a lot about what we’ve been taught in church classes, on our missions, etc. There’s a video floating out there on UA-cam where people from various faiths testify how their feelings have led them to know the truth about their own beliefs. The church has a lot of control over how we feel about ourselves and our “worthiness” but having stepped back for 4 years now, I can clearly see it. I won’t let any person or institution tell me again what my worth is. We all make mistakes. You call them sins but I don’t anymore because it grants too much control for the institution that shows the path to forgiveness. There’s too many holes in the institution of any church for me to believe they know my eternal destiny or a supposed path that leads to eternal bliss.
Hey Bro Wade, don't know if you'll read these comments, but would you have had any interest in watching a video like this from someone who fell away then returned when you were estranged from the church? Just wondering how this could help my estranged sons...
Hi Ken. Excellent question. I found that almost nothing can be said that changes a person’s thinking…in the short-term. I remember dismissing just about everything my father had to say to me. That said, I do believe it’s possible to plant seeds that do have an effect down the road if/when a person begins to reconsider. Reconsideration, I believe, only comes from the inside at the individual’s own pace, even if it’s triggered by outside events or trauma. I think this kind of video would have stuck with me out of curiosity at least. I would have been curious how one could possibly be intellectually satisfied with a testimony because that seemed impossible to me at the time. That would have interested me. So that is something I try to communicate - that it is certainly possible to come to a well-reasoned and rational conviction that the Gospel is true (as a supplement to the spiritual witness). My hope is that opens the door, if only out of curiosity, and maybe provides the possibility of a path back to faith. So to answer your question more succinctly, had I seen something like this I would have dismissed it in the short-term but it would also have stuck with me. God bless.
I am a 74 year old man and I watched and listened to this man's history and journey because I have come to the conclusion that the story of Joseph Smith finding Golden Plates is not true. I recognize that all men have flaws so in away I can understand his. GREAT AS THEY WERE. I have read the book of Mormon several times and listened to the videos currently being produced. I find so many flaws in them that I had to stop. Having come to this point, it does not challenge my belief on God or Jesus. I am as spiritual as ever. I don't fear for the salvation of LDS members. God understands us all and loves us all.
How interesting. I DO believe The Book of Mormon to be the Word of God. But I too don't condemn those that don't think so. I feel and know God loves his children and all truths and honest desires will be counted for in the end.
I liked your comment not because I have the same beliefs, because I think it’s true, but because you still have a humble heart and someone I think is going to receive great blessings in this life and the next
Ive listened to many of the stories here. It seems to me that it is pride, emotional damage, or nievete' ( sp?) They think they know more, get fixated and angry, have low self esteem and feel judged or dont fit in, or just want to " have fun" and experiment with alcohol, sex, drugs, etc. I wish we could innoculate our children
Guys… you don’t need to listen to a video about a guy coming back to the church in order to have peace in your soul about your family members leaving. They are still good people! They are courageous people. They are acting with integrity the best way that they know how. Same as you. There are many good things about the church. There are also a lot of toxic things about the church. Your family members who left did not leave YOU, they just left the harmful things about the church. Have some faith in this god you say loves you so much. Do you actually think God does not want coffee drinkers with him? Or open-minded freethinkers? This is a great opportunity for you to really feel out the type of person you think God is.
It's not that God doesn't want coffee drinkers. God, who is pure, cannot, by spiritual law, be in the presence of people not living those same laws. It's not that he doesn't want to. It's that they can't abide his presence. He requires a broken heart and contrite spirit that will lead people to accept the atonement, so that they can be forgiven. This requires us to sacrifice our will, i.e., the things we want to do? And replace them with what He wants us to do, including the ordinances. Again, at the end of the day it's not about random actions or commandments. It's about our will to follow God in all things. Those who say, "it's only (coffee, a movie, sex, etc etc)", are basically saying, " I know better. I'll do what I want." And that's obviously an option. Millions of people do it. His sheep don't say that. They say, "I'll do what you want. No matter how big. No matter how small."
Honestly and Integrity are far more precious then Mormonism's documented, verified proven lies designed to make you feel special and important. So so sad to witness in real time.
When you seek answers from the Book of Mormon instead of the Bible, God can't help you because you have turned your back on Him. Therefore this leaves the door open for Satan (II Corinthians 11:14-15) to step into your life with a false christ or prophet showing you signs and wonders to lead you away from the real Jesus of the Bible who is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity. God Himself warns us about this in MATTHEW 24:23-24 "Then if anyone says to you, Look, here is the Christ! or There! do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect..." Mormons teach and believe that their jesus is the brother of Satan, which contradicts what God says in His Bible that Jesus is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity. So Mormons, which Jesus do you believe in? A). Your jesus of the Book of Mormon who is the brother of Satan. OR B). The Jesus of the Bible who is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity.
@La France Hannele Nooo....the Mormon church believes in a false christ (Matthew 24:23-24). They believe that their jesus is the brother of Satan, which contradicts what God says in His Bible that Jesus is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity. So which do YOU believe in? A). The jesus of the Book of Mormon who is the brother of Satan. OR B). The Jesus of the Bible who is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity.
Both ... What words you use is ONLY a Judgemental Words, USE A Biblical Words and the Answer is Clear ... (Now The Question is, have you read the Biblical Words? Or perhaps you had read read BUT neglected it, or worst rejects it)
Some passages from the Book of Mormon. 2 Nephi 25:26 And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins. Moroni 7:16 For behold, the Spirit of Christ is given to every man, that he may know good from evil; wherefore, I show unto you the way to judge; for every thing which inviteth to do good, and to persuade to believe in Christ, is sent forth by the power and gift of Christ; wherefore ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of God. 17 But whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do evil, and believe not in Christ, and deny him, and serve not God, then ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of the devil; for after this manner doth the devil work, for he persuadeth no man to do good, no, not one; neither do his angels; neither do they who subject themselves unto him.
@Andrew Durfee Matthew 24:23-24 "Then if anyone says to you, Look, here is the Christ! or There! do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect..." Your jesus of the Book of Mormon is the brother of Satan, which contradicts what God says in His Bible that Jesus is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity. So which Jesus do you believe in? A). Your jesus of the Book of Mormon who is the brother of Satan. OR B). The Jesus of the Bible who is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity. As you can see, your jesus from the Book of Mormon is different from the Jesus of the Bible.
Sarah Newcomb and many others describe the effects of LDS racism against native and black people. I don't think it's ethical to be Mormon because of the racist and homophobic theology.
Mormon here. Nothing about us is racist or homophobic. If you're referring to church history, maybe look into the history of just about every other church, nation, or group of people; everyone's got problems from time to time.
@@DannyAGray every other church has problems, but queer Mormon kids don't commit suicide because leaders are abusive homophobes? You're a liar. You should know better than to pretend LDS theology isn't racist. People know about the racial curses in LDS "scriptures." Nothing changed except policy in 1978. Your scriptures are still absurd.
@Nathan Bigler first of all, your arguments are bouncing all over the place, which tells me you're only repeating rhetoric you hear from other people ands you don't actually know very much. Second, what is your evidence that queer youth in the church have a higher rate of self-deletion than any other religious group? Where are your numbers? The last figures I saw (and I believe they were published by GLAAD even) showed that all LGBTQ youth hurt themselves at the same rate regardless of their religious affiliation or having none at all. It's a mental health crisis, not a church crisis. Finally, wtf are you talking about regarding racism? Show me specific proofs of systemic racism within the church in the current day. We all know about the racist ban up until '78 and we all agree that it was bad; but that was then and is not how we function now. What's your proof? My guess is that your argument is based on a very low knowledge of the world outside the U.S., maybe even outside your own state. And please explain how, if the church is so racist, it's growing the fastest in South America and Africa. Face it, Nathan, you're full of s**** and just trying to have something to complain about. Your arguments are pathetic and weak. Get a life, buddy.
@Ima Feltersnatch I don't support pedophilia in any organization or from any people. What a stupid comment you make. Whether it's the few publicly flaunted cases from the LDS church or the massive amount of cases from catholicism, or the president of the United States, I don't support it at all.
This was one of the BEST stories I have heard on your podcast! Everyone's story is good, but this one really got to me. Thank you so much for sharing with us!! I learned so much about my own faith and beliefs from your story.
How can anyone not be moved by these stories.. this guy is a hero.. i can just imagine that all the hosts of heaven shouted for joy..
God is good and knows me perfectly.
Almost a decade before i get acquainted to the church. I learned through my prayers and studies the answers to all my questions, and all i found, it is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Thank you so much for this interview! This one has touched me more than any one yet. I am the mother of 5 children who have all left the church. I love all of his tips and points. Thank you for the words of hope!❤️
Me too - all five. Wonderful kind responsible friendly people all with awesome spouses. Of course I want to share this with them but the spirit is saying hold off a while longer 🙏
Thanks, Wade, for sharing your story. So glad you made it through this trial of your faith. You were a great missionary companion and I learned a lot from you. Arrivederci a presto! Anziano Browning
Hi Fratello!
So nice to hear from you. I love sharing the story of my return to faith. I’ve had the honor of speaking to young people who struggle and their families. Love it. We’re seeing many people drawn back to activity which gives me great hope. But of course, it’s always in the Lord’s time. Faith and patience!
Tanti auguri!
I needed to hear this as I am coming out of the darkest spiritual time I've ever had. It took me nearly 8 years to ask myself, "Was I deceived?" As Wade said, I thought I knew everything, leading me out of the church. However, just a few days ago, I decided to read "Bamboozled by the CES Letter," and "A Faithful Reply to the CES Letter." I came across this one thing that changed everything: if you are LOOKING for it to NOT be true, you will always find that with which you agree. I was looking for anything that would show me that it was not true, so I could get out from the pressure of what I thought I needed to be the perfect Latter-Day Saint and not find answers to my doubts. But what I did was throw the baby out with the bathwater, and it nearly destroyed my marriage. Thankfully my husband of 30 years stayed with me, but every single child left the church, and even though they said it wasn't because of me, I can't help but feel I had SOME influence - how could I not have? I hope that my coming back into the fold will one day have some influence on them to come back too, but if not, I will always love and support them.
We would love to hear your story if you are willing to share email ashly.comebackpodcast@gmail.com
@@Come.Back.Podcast Will do!
I left, but didn't actually remove my name. Almost eight years ago. "Bamboozled" didn't do anything for me. I don't believe in LDS, but there are times when I miss the fellowship. I think of going back, but I don't want to be hypocritical by going for the fellowship when I don't believe. I am still a Christian believer, and I have come to understand Christ in a different way (like the Trinity). I understand why many people believe again and go back, and I wish them the best. I wish the best for you and yours.
@@Come.Back.Podcast Here is something that you Mormons hate to hear is that if you want to know who are the children of Israel in this entire hemisphere Find the People that were brought here in the ( Hull of ships and sold as male and female slaves, Only 1 People fit's the Curses GOD placed on Israel and that people are the ( Negroes ) It's not one person in the Mormon church can Disprove the Bible
@@Cuinn837 keep studying. There are answers to all you're searching for and it will lead you back to your covenants.
Thank you for doing these podcasts. There is such a need for this.
Wade's explanation about "real prophets" with Lehi and his sons was awesome. Great example. It will be used often to teach others. I know I will. The same goes for "a real bishop", "a real stake president", "a real priesthood holder", "a real LDS dad/mom", "a real mission president", "a real missionary companion"...
I am crying tears of joy. I needed to come across your channel and this podcast. This is the confirmation I needed. There are no words to explain how much this meant to me. Thank you Jesus. Thank you Ashly and thank you Wade 🙏❤️
Man, I love that final thought that for those who have stepped away from the path that hope is far from lost. I’ve felt that so many times with my wife’s falling away from the church. Sure it hurts now. But with the big picture provided by a loving Heavenly Father, my worries are easily put to rest.
Man pretty cool that he would come on here and share his story with a unforgiving world. I wouldn't. Kudos to you good sir.
Our guests are very brave:)
@@Come.Back.Podcast When are you people going to tell the truth ( GOD doesn't change, ( Amos 3:1-2) Til this very day GOD hasn't dealt with no other Nation of people but Israel his people that Rebelled against him, That's why we can read in the Bible the ( 9 Tribes the Northern Kingdom being removed by the Assyrians in 721 BC and where are they Today ( Isaiah 18:1-7 Beyond the rivers of Ethiopia, That's in Africa, And Judah Benjamin and Levi the 3 tribes Were taken into Captivity and scattered all over the world until the return of Jesus
Ashly, this podcast is SO needed for our time. There are many people who need to hear these messages. Thank you!
Wow - thank you for publishing this from Wade. He has been a very close friend since college. He and I and one other were the “quant” jocks in our MBA program and this resonates so strongly with me. Very thankful that Wade shared this publicly as he describes perfectly the struggle of many like me and him that analyze everything from a quantitative view. Well worth the time - thank you Ashly for putting this together.
Thank you-
Even the Ten Commandments has fingerprints on it but God wrote them with His own finger.
Human finger prints on divinity now boost my testimony that I have a chance too.
I’ve been surrounded by loved ones trying to where me down. Im grateful for every packet of light-
Love this
Thank you
First time I’v seen this channel, I was praying for a confirmation today and many things confirmed what I was looking for and this came on my feed and was like a nice topping for everything.
I love to hear these stories! Thank you to both of you!
wade your story is inspiring,i loved it..please think about writing a book,i believe you can help many people that are lost..your older mature way of expressing yourself is awesome,God needs you at this time .am serious, you can change lives
Keep up interviewing those who have returned. It is very helpful and enlightening. Thank you!
This was an amazing episode. I just found your channel and I think you were inspired to start this channel. It is going to bless people immensely ❤
This podcast is helping me/ has helped me more than you'll ever know. So grateful for you and all these wonderful souls you interview.
Thank you! Wonderful conversion of this brother. So tired of the negativity out there.
Excellent insight about prophets getting revelation on a need-to-know basis. A lot of really good insights. I'm close to Wade in age and went through similar emotional reactions to having my simplistic ideas of childhood shattered. The attitude with which we engage that process is critical. Also for me, the more I learn - even of the unflattering details - the stronger my conviction grows.
love this
His story about tithing is so on point. I have had so many instances where I felt lost financially and God took care of me and my family. I know these situations are because of paying titbing
Wade, thank you for your testimony. I loved this episode!
Thank you for sharing this story once again grateful for the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
For more than 60 years Mozart has been my absolute favorite composer. I love this metaphor: no, there is no way someone could know Mozart without listening to his music.
Thank you for lifting my spirit and speaking peace to my soul.
Thank you for sharing. Thank you for putting this together 🌞
I love this podcast. So awesome to hear the stories of people coming back!!
Thanks for these podcast that you are doing. I have been looking for just this. i knew there were people that had to have regret’s for leaving and choose to come back. I wanted to hear their stories! Thanks so much and keep it up
Thank you! Loved the analogies! Very, very touching! The miracles, the patience of your parents, every single thing you said was helpful!
Wtf is this channel?! This just randomly popped up on my suggested videos, and I love it already! Do you just do interviews of people who left and returned, or do you mix in with people who have had struggles in the church? I've been a full-on believe almost all my life, but my journey through repentance and excommunication is both tragic and wonderful
Being excommunicated is tragic, I have a family member who it happened to and he also came back. People in that circumstance don’t throw away their membership ever again over imperfections of humans in the church, they treasure it!
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Yeah, her podcast is sounding the trumpet of people who have left and come back. ❤
I appreciate your comment a lot. Email ashly.comebackpodcast@gmail.com your story if you wish to share.
Sounds interesting already
Would love to hear your story!
Contact her so you can tell your story. I would love to hear it.
I enjoyed hearing your testimony!!!
Beautiful story! I loved his analogies too. And the last few minutes, about 54:15 to the end…everyone should listen to those few minutes. Thank you for sharing this story of God’s infinite love!
Good job W!
Gonna continue to apply my heart to understanding as so much more gets revealed - mostly about my need for repentance! 😅
Thank you for sharing, Wade. I have a family member who left after the church leadership essentially pushed the v@x because “they are inspired and should know!” This helped me process their rationale a lot. I will keep praying and fasting for them to be inspired in their own way to see and come back
Thank you Ashley for having this podcast and thank you Wade for sharing your experiences. I think most of us have similar mountains that rise in our paths or in the path of loved ones and your honesty in discussing how you worked around and through yours inspire and uplift me. Thank you Ashley for listening and allowing Wade to tell his story.
New subscriber here. I will be sharing.
Awesome! Thank you!
Wow! Thanks so much for sharing. This episode was very inspiring! God bless!
Thank you for this!
Great stuff!
I love these podcasts - there are some general themes to each individuals journey that are helpful for me when considering ways to support others on their journey. It does seem to come down to the importance of individuals having personal experiences/miracles. We can support/love people until those personal experiences hopefully occur.
Regarding the "solutions to issues/questions" - as I listen broadly to podcasts, I see members reconcile them in different ways - for example with polygamy - those who have come back to the church reconcile the issues in a wide variety of ways - one reading ancestors journals, another determining polygamy was a mistake -but one is still a prophet when they make mistakes - and others still have questions, but are able to make them less central to their faith. Highlights the individuality of the journey
I love Wade's comments on the perception of prophets as a "super hero" - I think there was a phase in the church in the 60's/70's/80's where the church was over-claiming and creating a perception of "church has the answer to everything" - I think Wade grew up in that culture (I did as well). As part of "coming out of the wilderness", I feel the church teachings are maturing in this area- though I do feel some of this change was reacting to facts coming out independently vs the church leading in sharing that accurate picture of how God works through flawed prophets (which I think is very powerful as Wade outlined).
Joseph Smith made mistakes, sure. He's human, not Christ. However, they were not the grevieous moral sins that he was and is (even by "believing" LDS members, sadly) accused of. Go back and read what he said and taught privately as well as publicly, from sources that weren't apostates and conspiring to kill him. I did this experiment last month and it blew me away. It's opened up further questions about his successors, but my mind is settled regarding Joseph, THE Prophet of the Restoration. How I love that great, good man.
Mosiah 12: 27 is one of my favorite scriptures. And there's a great talk by Elder Kim B. Clark of the Seventy on this. Its called "Apply your hearts to understanding" (Feb. 8, 2019). Great story thanks for sharing ❤🎉
Thank you for sharing. I hope everyone is touched by the spirit!
My favorite one! Sweet humble and now wise man
God’s love is infinite ❤!!
37:00 I know what you mean. I have always been intellectually curious and when I would dip my toe into a ‘taboo’ topic, I would be worried that this could negatively affect my testimony. Fortunately, that never happened for me - that is not my struggle in life, though I do have others!
Now, I vigorously pursue delving into knowledge and the pursuit of truth. I do not shy away from it when sharing with my kids, because I believe it should be part of their knowledge and their testimony.
We are hubris and culturally insensitive society, which can make it difficult and jarring when we hear or learn something contrary to our known paradigm.
The truth is much more appealing and inviting to me! Knowing that prophets are flawed men and seeing what they can achieve should give us hope and inspiration! Seeing so many ‘broken’ men and women on this podcast that are now spiritually thriving is an inspiration! The power of the atonement of Christ is visible and evident here.
This podcast is helping me understand what happened to so many of my fellow missionaries, companions, and friends and how they could ‘leave the gospel’ after preaching about it.
Thank you for your story!
Thank you for your comment and analysis.
I’m 57, the church hiding and denying JS polygamy and hiding the true history has caused a lot of us 30 and older to leave.
Now, they’re being more transparent. But it’s a little too late.
The most growth is outside the USA now.
My brother warned 2 apostles in the 1990s to come clean. He was doing his PhD and had access to the LDS locked library and read pioneer journals. He begged the apostles to not “white wash” the history.
Instead, they said to stop digging or they’d excommunicate him. He removed his name instead, in the mid-1990s.
If they had come clean earlier, 25 years earlier, this mass exodus would not have happened. This younger generation wants truth and transparency.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I feel the same way.
Real question: does hiding something, while maybe not the right decision, make the church not true? I hide stuff from my kids all of the time because they're not ready to learn it yet. God keeps things hidden from us all the time. And yet, maybe it was wrong..but thay alone doesn't define the restoration does it? JS still could have received the plates and priesthood. The fruits of this movement seem to suggest that it couldn't have been a sham. Why get so focused on polygamy? Esp when we aren't privy to everything that happened?
@@racealexander1660 they didn’t hide some minor flaw such as JS smoking or drinking after the WoW was revealed, oh wait the church did that. The foundation of the church is very questionable, how can a guy that was taken to court for being a fraud in 1826 be called as a prophet of God just a few years later? How about Joseph Fielding Smith cutting the 1832 first vision account where JS claimed to have seen only Jesus? How about all the changes to the revelations, scriptures, and doctrines that the church now claims were never canonized? The church has systematically lied and hidden its embarrassing history to keep the members in. The internet is putting an end to the church dishonesty.
57:00 Pretty awesome perspective! ❤️
I will remember that!
I'm really enjoying listening to these podcasts, and also the "Saints Unscripted" podcasts. Excellent job! I've already referred both podcasts to some of my relatives, particularly to a niece who is struggling. It's also helpful to those of us whose faith is strong to have a better understanding of those who might be going through a crisis of faith, and/or a life crisis in general, seeing how God works in people's lives and how much He loves each and every one of us and how important it is for us to treat others the same way, to be patient and understanding of them, etc. Appreciate all that you do, and also those folks who share their experiences here :)
Thank you for sharing your amazing experience
Thank you!
I would like to know how Wade's children are. What his leaving did to their activity and involvement in the church.
I struggle a lot with rationalizing things away. When you shared the story of paying tithing and the salary that you were going to get, my mind rationalized it away by thinking it's not a miracle because anyone that searches for a job is going to look for a certain income from that job. All he did was look for jobs that pay you that amount and one of them gave you a call back. Anyway I don't mean this in a jerky way. That's just how my mind works sometimes. Maybe there's more to the story or there's something I don't understand.
Hi Kolby. Wade here. I genuinely understand what you're saying. I often think exactly the same way! Can human beings mistake fortunate events and coincidences for miracles? Absolutely. Conversely, can we sometimes explain away or minimize authentic miracles as coincidences? Yep. We can be mistaken both ways, I think. So I have come to believe that it's a choice at just about every turn. Think about the miracles reported in the New Testament. They come to us by way of "believers." No doubt, just like today, there were countless people who chose not believe. Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead? No way - he probably wasn't really totally dead...they just couldn't tell. He turned water into wine? Not possible. They probably just added water to containers that still had some wine in them. And so on. Some people chose to believe - other chose not to believe.
I really believe that that gray area is part of our mortal circumstances. It seems there has to be a reasonable opportunity to believe either way to maintain our agency, maybe. I think God provides us just enough to believe, but also, just enough not to believe is we so choose.
With respect to my finding work, I had just decided not to limit my perception of the world to my intellectual lens only. I was trying to apply my heart somehow. What made those events convincing to me, in part, was the context and the timing. I had only hours before decided to put God to the test, so to speak. " Ok God, if you're really there and looking out for me, help me now. And here's exactly how you can show me." And He did. Given the circumstances and the deepest desires of my heart, I was powerfully compelled to choose to believe.
All that said, I understand your point. You're not wrong!
@@letsgocountry1242 thanks for taking the time to respond. It was helpful
I now understand that Tithing is an Old Covenant law that was fulfilled, like the old law of not eating pork or shellfish. We are under a New Covenant that leads us to the Second Coming of Christ. This is signified by what happened when Jesus died on the cross--the temple veil was torn in two. The Old Covenant is fulfilled, and the New Covenant is now in effect.
I understand that I can't tell anyone else what to believe, but what I read in the NT is that we are now to be Cheerful Givers. There is no numerical demand. The Holy Spirit can move you as to how much you, as an individual, should give.
This is good. There are many people who feel unable to resolve their concerns, legitimate concerns, and feel they have nowhere to turn. Many feel there are no answers to their concerns. I find myself wishing these video's would address more of the details regarding the wrestle. What exactly was the hangup? How exactly were the concerns resolved resulting in their return to the Church? Otherwise, i think there will be many "lost souls" who think their own particular situation is different, unique and unresolvable.
An answer to a question is more effective when one does their own work, wrestles with God, and comes to their own resolution. Yes other peoples opinions can be helpful but it is more impactful when you work for it yourself.
@@Come.Back.Podcast I agree, but what do you do when you've wrestled and come to a conclusion that doesn't align with the church? If someone has wrestled with the same issue and has valuable information that might help it would be wise to share it with those who might be persuaded to stay before they leave the church.
I am Wade's son. In all honestly it's an amazing blessing to grow up with a resource like him.
That's wonderful that you are able to see it! What an amazing story and how very brave your father is to share! God bless! ❤️
Do you think all the money he con'd people out of was a blessing too? Just curious, because 27 million is a lot.
@@dckpunk6318 Do you regret saying this yet?
@Kidd Paul no he defrauded people of millions. I got news for you it's quite common in the church.
@@dckpunk6318 I think one of the things you could internalize from Wade's words here is this: [oh, that's a good question. let's get more information.] Not only do you really not know as much as you think you do about Wade and his work, It's embarrassing you don't have the social awareness to stop yourself from saying inappropriate things to children.
I appreciate you sharing these testimonies. Is there a way to contact the indivuavls?
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I watched this episode a few days ago and wanted to make some comments but didn’t have the time so I’m circling back now to be self up. I remembered things correctly.
While this was a pretty amazing story of paying tithing and securing new employment, perhaps as a result of that, I think we sometimes incorrectly use this as evidence that the church is true. I don’t think that you are necessarily directly connected although they can be they’re not required to be.
I think in listening to his story, I don’t necessarily see anything uniquely connected to confirm that the church is true, it’s more like certain assumptions are being made I things that we were told in the church while growing up, for example, if we receive elevated feelings by reading a book of Mormon. We automatically know the church is true and that Russell and Nelson is gods profit today, but I think as one gets older, and you just want critical thinking skills , those things are not necessarily connected as easily as they tell you are in the church
I’ve enjoyed listening to the podcast, however, as one who has stepped away from the church, I’m always fascinated to hear the stories of those who have returned, and the reasons for why they do so.
thanks for putting this podcast together.
It helped me continue to understand I’m not crazy for stepping away.
I appreciate your respectful insights and comments, thank you.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Let’s see how things develop for you 🌞
He was just giving one example of something that made him start to reconsider. Don't forget the promptings he kept having in his head telling him to pay tithing. That's a random thought for an inactive member to have over and over again, isn't it?
100% guarantee that life outside the church is not better than life in. Have you ever felt the spirit so strong that you couldn't bear the thought of it leaving? It's a place of pure joy. And you know it's real because you're literally willing to give up all your sins and imperfections and hand them to God. To have your heart changed by the spirit is a miracle.
These things have to be sought with eyes to see, and ears to hear. Broken heart. Humility. God will reveal himself to you in the book of mormon and in sincere prayer if you seek him.
@@racealexander1660 Life outside the church is now going on 4 years vs 26 years in the church and I’m not feeling too much different. It’s all about perspective. I’m still happily married, I don’t drink or smoke, etc. Life in the church couldn’t continue for me because of the doctrinal problems and truth claim challenges. I realize some people can navigate or nuance these but not possible for me. The church taught me that my feelings were a way for me to know the doctrinal truths of the church. After leaving, I discovered that my feelings aren’t always the best way to determine something. How many times have you had a feeling about something and it turned out to mean something different? How many bishops have been called who weren’t supposed to be in that position, etc. How many church prophets change what previous church prophets received by revelation? Were those not strong feelings received by the prior prophets? Once one determines that feelings can mean any number of things, it changes a lot about what we’ve been taught in church classes, on our missions, etc. There’s a video floating out there on UA-cam where people from various faiths testify how their feelings have led them to know the truth about their own beliefs. The church has a lot of control over how we feel about ourselves and our “worthiness” but having stepped back for 4 years now, I can clearly see it. I won’t let any person or institution tell me again what my worth is. We all make mistakes. You call them sins but I don’t anymore because it grants too much control for the institution that shows the path to forgiveness. There’s too many holes in the institution of any church for me to believe they know my eternal destiny or a supposed path that leads to eternal bliss.
Hi Ashly, thank you for all you are doing. This is an amazing episode. How can I contact you with a brief question?
ashly.comebackpodcast@gmail.com
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It is simply amazing that a person can wake up and leave a cult and then rejoining it again! I guess that "You can't fix stupid" applies here.
Anything can be called a cult if you try hard enough
@@_LachoneusChrist’s original church was labeled a cult too.
@@letsgocountry1242quit yapping
Hey Bro Wade, don't know if you'll read these comments, but would you have had any interest in watching a video like this from someone who fell away then returned when you were estranged from the church? Just wondering how this could help my estranged sons...
Hi Ken. Excellent question. I found that almost nothing can be said that changes a person’s thinking…in the short-term. I remember dismissing just about everything my father had to say to me.
That said, I do believe it’s possible to plant seeds that do have an effect down the road if/when a person begins to reconsider. Reconsideration, I believe, only comes from the inside at the individual’s own pace, even if it’s triggered by outside events or trauma.
I think this kind of video would have stuck with me out of curiosity at least. I would have been curious how one could possibly be intellectually satisfied with a testimony because that seemed impossible to me at the time.
That would have interested me. So that is something I try to communicate - that it is certainly possible to come to a well-reasoned and rational conviction that the Gospel is true (as a supplement to the spiritual witness). My hope is that opens the door, if only out of curiosity, and maybe provides the possibility of a path back to faith.
So to answer your question more succinctly, had I seen something like this I would have dismissed it in the short-term but it would also have stuck with me.
God bless.
I am a 74 year old man and I watched and listened to this man's history and journey because I have come to the conclusion that the story of Joseph Smith finding Golden Plates is not true. I recognize that all men have flaws so in away I can understand his. GREAT AS THEY WERE.
I have read the book of Mormon several times and listened to the videos currently being produced. I find so many flaws in them that I had to stop.
Having come to this point, it does not challenge my belief on God or Jesus.
I am as spiritual as ever.
I don't fear for the salvation of LDS members. God understands us all and loves us all.
How interesting. I DO believe The Book of Mormon to be the Word of God. But I too don't condemn those that don't think so. I feel and know God loves his children and all truths and honest desires will be counted for in the end.
The movies aren't very good. But the book is. What are its flaws in your mind?
I liked your comment not because I have the same beliefs, because I think it’s true, but because you still have a humble heart and someone I think is going to receive great blessings in this life and the next
Ive listened to many of the stories here. It seems to me that it is pride, emotional damage, or nievete' ( sp?)
They think they know more, get fixated and angry, have low self esteem and feel judged or dont fit in, or just want to " have fun" and experiment with alcohol, sex, drugs, etc. I wish we could innoculate our children
That is what life lessons end up doing for those of us who make mistakes:)
Guys… you don’t need to listen to a video about a guy coming back to the church in order to have peace in your soul about your family members leaving. They are still good people! They are courageous people. They are acting with integrity the best way that they know how. Same as you. There are many good things about the church. There are also a lot of toxic things about the church. Your family members who left did not leave YOU, they just left the harmful things about the church.
Have some faith in this god you say loves you so much. Do you actually think God does not want coffee drinkers with him? Or open-minded freethinkers? This is a great opportunity for you to really feel out the type of person you think God is.
It's not that God doesn't want coffee drinkers. God, who is pure, cannot, by spiritual law, be in the presence of people not living those same laws. It's not that he doesn't want to. It's that they can't abide his presence.
He requires a broken heart and contrite spirit that will lead people to accept the atonement, so that they can be forgiven. This requires us to sacrifice our will, i.e., the things we want to do? And replace them with what He wants us to do, including the ordinances.
Again, at the end of the day it's not about random actions or commandments. It's about our will to follow God in all things. Those who say, "it's only (coffee, a movie, sex, etc etc)", are basically saying, " I know better. I'll do what I want." And that's obviously an option. Millions of people do it.
His sheep don't say that. They say, "I'll do what you want. No matter how big. No matter how small."
Read Whitney Hornings book “Joseph Smith Revealed” will help! So profound!!
Honestly and Integrity are far more precious then Mormonism's documented, verified proven lies designed to make you feel special and important. So so sad to witness in real time.
Who's seen god?
I have
I have 😇🥰😘
But it is still a false religion. You have to deal with the history of the church.
When you seek answers from the Book of Mormon instead of the Bible, God can't help you because you have turned your back on Him. Therefore this leaves the door open for Satan (II Corinthians 11:14-15) to step into your life with a false christ or prophet showing you signs and wonders to lead you away from the real Jesus of the Bible who is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity. God Himself warns us about this in MATTHEW 24:23-24 "Then if anyone says to you, Look, here is the Christ! or There! do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect..."
Mormons teach and believe that their jesus is the brother of Satan, which contradicts what God says in His Bible that Jesus is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity.
So Mormons, which Jesus do you believe in?
A). Your jesus of the Book of Mormon who is the brother of Satan.
OR
B). The Jesus of the Bible who is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity.
Typical taking points...we believe in the same exact Jesus, the Savior of the World . Some day you will be blessed to know more. Blessings regardless!
@La France Hannele Nooo....the Mormon church believes in a false christ (Matthew 24:23-24). They believe that their jesus is the brother of Satan, which contradicts what God says in His Bible that Jesus is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity.
So which do YOU believe in?
A). The jesus of the Book of Mormon who is the brother of Satan.
OR
B). The Jesus of the Bible who is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity.
Both ... What words you use is ONLY a Judgemental Words, USE A Biblical Words and the Answer is Clear ... (Now The Question is, have you read the Biblical Words? Or perhaps you had read read BUT neglected it, or worst rejects it)
Some passages from the Book of Mormon.
2 Nephi 25:26 And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.
Moroni 7:16 For behold, the Spirit of Christ is given to every man, that he may know good from evil; wherefore, I show unto you the way to judge; for every thing which inviteth to do good, and to persuade to believe in Christ, is sent forth by the power and gift of Christ; wherefore ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of God. 17 But whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do evil, and believe not in Christ, and deny him, and serve not God, then ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of the devil; for after this manner doth the devil work, for he persuadeth no man to do good, no, not one; neither do his angels; neither do they who subject themselves unto him.
@Andrew Durfee Matthew 24:23-24 "Then if anyone says to you, Look, here is the Christ! or There! do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect..."
Your jesus of the Book of Mormon is the brother of Satan, which contradicts what God says in His Bible that Jesus is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity.
So which Jesus do you believe in?
A). Your jesus of the Book of Mormon who is the brother of Satan.
OR
B). The Jesus of the Bible who is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity.
As you can see, your jesus from the Book of Mormon is different from the Jesus of the Bible.
Sarah Newcomb and many others describe the effects of LDS racism against native and black people. I don't think it's ethical to be Mormon because of the racist and homophobic theology.
Mormon here. Nothing about us is racist or homophobic. If you're referring to church history, maybe look into the history of just about every other church, nation, or group of people; everyone's got problems from time to time.
@@DannyAGray every other church has problems, but queer Mormon kids don't commit suicide because leaders are abusive homophobes?
You're a liar. You should know better than to pretend LDS theology isn't racist. People know about the racial curses in LDS "scriptures." Nothing changed except policy in 1978. Your scriptures are still absurd.
@Nathan Bigler first of all, your arguments are bouncing all over the place, which tells me you're only repeating rhetoric you hear from other people ands you don't actually know very much. Second, what is your evidence that queer youth in the church have a higher rate of self-deletion than any other religious group? Where are your numbers? The last figures I saw (and I believe they were published by GLAAD even) showed that all LGBTQ youth hurt themselves at the same rate regardless of their religious affiliation or having none at all. It's a mental health crisis, not a church crisis.
Finally, wtf are you talking about regarding racism? Show me specific proofs of systemic racism within the church in the current day. We all know about the racist ban up until '78 and we all agree that it was bad; but that was then and is not how we function now. What's your proof? My guess is that your argument is based on a very low knowledge of the world outside the U.S., maybe even outside your own state. And please explain how, if the church is so racist, it's growing the fastest in South America and Africa.
Face it, Nathan, you're full of s**** and just trying to have something to complain about. Your arguments are pathetic and weak. Get a life, buddy.
@@DannyAGray So you support the pedophilia in your church?
@Ima Feltersnatch I don't support pedophilia in any organization or from any people. What a stupid comment you make. Whether it's the few publicly flaunted cases from the LDS church or the massive amount of cases from catholicism, or the president of the United States, I don't support it at all.
Money tithing ?