Hessen is a modern state of Germany. Here is where Rome found it's limts. I literally live at ancient romen border. It was called Limes. The silver scroll with found in Frankfurt. Frank like the franks. And Furt is a place where a river gets slow, wide and shallow so you can pass by foot.
This amulet is intriguing, and it's going to stir things up for a little bit. This same technology is also being used to decipher the Herculaneum scrolls, so we're going to start getting stuff with Qumran-level impact soon. I have to wonder if it's quoting the Philippians passage or a hymn that both he and the Apostle Paul quoted. I'm leaning toward quoting Philippians, but it's long been an open question whether that was quoting a popular hymn, and a liturgical hymn would fit this sort of artifact very well. Since the Trisagion is directed to Jesus, it's an early attestation of the deity of Christ. It's a phylactery, and we don't have many examples of this sort of relic from Christians in the period. This also places it into the area of holy images and the like: a material object used in worship. We have examples of these written amulet prayers in Judaism, but our early evidence in Christianity had been sparse. In fact, another relic kind of like this contains some of the oldest quotations from the Law. It's a prayer invoking St. Titus, and most of our earlier examples of this sort of thing come from places like the catacombs (e.g. tombs that have "ora pro nobis" dedicated to the deceased). It also might tie into a belief that after death there angels escort the dead or even claim them, which we find attested in the NT (e.g. the parable of the rich man tearing down his barns, which we usually translate away, or in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus). I'll have to listen to the longer livestream when I get a chance later.
@@Dwayne_Green Welcome. I can't give links; YT will block it, but you should google the Herculaneum scrolls. We now know where Plato died, and that he died complaining that a flute player was a terrible musician :p
I'm really excited to see what the Herculaneum scrolls reveal over the next few years. So many pre-Christian texts have been lost, texts that we know about because they were mentioned in others which survived, mathematical and medical treatises, histories, etc. It's probably going to open a lot of new understanding of those times.
@@fepeerreview3150 So am I. This is going to be as big as the DSS. I'm hoping to find another part of the Epic Cycle, though I know the odds are firmly against that.
The stage is being set- Where are YOU in it? Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom- Love ❤️ your neighbors as yourself. All commandments rest on these two.... Who are YOU?
@Dwayne_Green thank you! I saw a Catholic apologist comment that this amulet supports the view that the earliest Christians used invocations, asking the saints to pray to God on behalf of whoever was asking.
@@gardengirlmary Ooooh I see what you're saying! I misunderstood what you were saying. In that context, it's difficult to say for sure. There was a reference to "St. Titus" and a plea for protection for the individual who owns the amulet. I don't know if that would be considered 'icon veneration', seems not likely, but I'm not really an expert on that.
modern liberal scholars now can confirm that everything in Philippians was added later by sleepy ambitious monks and the original letter only has 2:9-11.
Greetings from Hessen in Deutschland. There are still purely christian believers in Hessen. I am one of them. ;-)
Praise the Lord :D
Ha! How cool!
Interesting find. Thanks for sharing the details. 😊
praise God…. the news I get from europe has not been good.
@@treybarnes5549 You are right. Europe has turned the back towards God. Now we reap what we have sown.
Hessen is a modern state of Germany. Here is where Rome found it's limts.
I literally live at ancient romen border. It was called Limes.
The silver scroll with found in Frankfurt.
Frank like the franks. And Furt is a place where a river gets slow, wide and shallow so you can pass by foot.
The English is 'ford' as in Oxford etc.
Thanks
Thank you! I appreciate this :)
Sent him on a one way mission. Gave him an expensive note to make him bold.
Do you happen to know how they determined the date of the text? (Or was that mentioned in the video and I missed that part?)
I'm not entirely sure, it may have been from some other stuff surrounding the burial that gives us a clue.
This amulet is intriguing, and it's going to stir things up for a little bit. This same technology is also being used to decipher the Herculaneum scrolls, so we're going to start getting stuff with Qumran-level impact soon.
I have to wonder if it's quoting the Philippians passage or a hymn that both he and the Apostle Paul quoted. I'm leaning toward quoting Philippians, but it's long been an open question whether that was quoting a popular hymn, and a liturgical hymn would fit this sort of artifact very well.
Since the Trisagion is directed to Jesus, it's an early attestation of the deity of Christ.
It's a phylactery, and we don't have many examples of this sort of relic from Christians in the period. This also places it into the area of holy images and the like: a material object used in worship. We have examples of these written amulet prayers in Judaism, but our early evidence in Christianity had been sparse. In fact, another relic kind of like this contains some of the oldest quotations from the Law.
It's a prayer invoking St. Titus, and most of our earlier examples of this sort of thing come from places like the catacombs (e.g. tombs that have "ora pro nobis" dedicated to the deceased).
It also might tie into a belief that after death there angels escort the dead or even claim them, which we find attested in the NT (e.g. the parable of the rich man tearing down his barns, which we usually translate away, or in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus).
I'll have to listen to the longer livestream when I get a chance later.
That's great info! Thanks for adding this.
@@Dwayne_Green Welcome. I can't give links; YT will block it, but you should google the Herculaneum scrolls. We now know where Plato died, and that he died complaining that a flute player was a terrible musician :p
@@kainech The flute player killed him with his terrible playing!
I'm really excited to see what the Herculaneum scrolls reveal over the next few years. So many pre-Christian texts have been lost, texts that we know about because they were mentioned in others which survived, mathematical and medical treatises, histories, etc. It's probably going to open a lot of new understanding of those times.
@@fepeerreview3150 So am I. This is going to be as big as the DSS. I'm hoping to find another part of the Epic Cycle, though I know the odds are firmly against that.
Very interesting find. I love stuff like this. 👍
The stage is being set-
Where are YOU in it?
Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom-
Love ❤️ your neighbors as yourself.
All commandments rest on these two....
Who are YOU?
This is great. Another find.
But does it support Textus Receptus? :)
Probably!
That's incredible 😲
Not unusual when those people are more then likely descendants of the tribe of Dan.
What date?
230 - 270AD
@ thank you
Let me know if he ever gets to the point.
Do you think this supports icon veneration
no. Making a video and saying it's cool is not 'veneration'.
@Dwayne_Green thank you!
I saw a Catholic apologist comment that this amulet supports the view that the earliest Christians used invocations, asking the saints to pray to God on behalf of whoever was asking.
@@gardengirlmary Ooooh I see what you're saying! I misunderstood what you were saying.
In that context, it's difficult to say for sure. There was a reference to "St. Titus" and a plea for protection for the individual who owns the amulet. I don't know if that would be considered 'icon veneration', seems not likely, but I'm not really an expert on that.
modern liberal scholars now can confirm that everything in Philippians was added later by sleepy ambitious monks and the original letter only has 2:9-11.
@@treybarnes5549 😉
What?
@ easy now. that was total sarcasm
New Islsmistan not Germany