Cars That Don't Deserve the Hate (According to YOU)
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
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Cars are subjective, but at a certain point are either legends are disappear into history. Fast cars, slow cars, cars with a great story - you name it. Today I asked the question what your most underrated sports cars were - and man did it get deep. Everything from the Toyota Celica, Nissan 300zx, and so much more. You guys had some great answers, so let's talk about it.
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0:00 Intro
0:58 Sponsor!
2:32 First car (Mazda RX-8 dorito power)
3:35 Geo Storm (lol get rekt)
3:43 LFA (No)
3:48 Supercharged Thunderbird!
4:28 Toyota Celica/Hyundai Tiburon
5:49 NC Miata
6:22 Saturn Sky Redline (oh yeah I forgot)
7:44 5th Gen Honda Prelude
8:43 GM F-BODY (what)
9:36 Caliber SRT4
10:32 3000GT/Mazdaspeed6
11:59 Marauder
12:31 Pontiac Fiero (lol)
13:09 S2000
13:21 2003 Corolla S
13:50 CTS-V WAGON
14:24 Infiniti Q60
15:28 3.7 V6 Mustang/ Lexus IS300
16:25 BMW Z4
16:52 Nissan 300ZX
17:17 2004-2006 Pontiac GTO
18:19 Final Thoughts - Авто та транспорт
The creator of Initial D was asked why they had a 3000gt in the show but it was never shown racing the Trueno.
Their answer: if there is one car that you can't suspend disbelief on to imagine it being beaten by the 86, it was the Mitsubishi GTO.
I love my 92 GTO TT AWD.
That's crazy, I always seen it driving it traffic but never understand why it was never in a race. Very interesting!
Now why does Wangan Midnight ha a NA Miata always showing up for the same reason
The Acura CL Type S, specifically the 03 model that came in manual 6 speed. Great looking car, lsd manual transmission, around 285hp J32a v6 vtec motor, (one of the best j series made given head flow). And they only make around 3800 of them maybe a little less. Amazing car and speaking from experience. Surprised also David hasn’t reviewed one yet since he did a 3rd gen TL. Definitely highly underrated and one of the more rare car Honda has produced.
This 100%!! I Had a blue 2002 TL Type-S with the same engine, just automatic, and I still miss that car to this day! The engine never failed me, was insanely comfortable, and that v6+vtec power was just too good. Best car I ever bought for less than $3K. I feel like they’re really slept on because they’re a little strange looking on the outside and the automatic transmissions are notorious for failure, but I love the look of both the CL and TL of that generation. The CL had a better front end, but I personally liked the booty on the TL better, kinda reminded me of a Toyota Chaser. Just wish they made the TL’s of that year in manual!
Almost replaced my bugeye wrx with a type s. Ended up trading for a ls400 after head gasket did the suby thing
I had the unicorn Honda accord coupe v6 manual a of the same Era. Can attests and at the time. Faster than a brz and it made them hurt so bad
I came to the comments section to say this. This car is so underrated. Truly a great car and with the 6mt very reliable and fun.
I'll fix my clutch if he wants to review mine lmao
I wanted a BMW Z3 in HS. I like the little sporty look. When the Z4 came out, something about it threw me off. Maybe because it was too modern. At that time i didnt know anything about engines, it was more looks. I like the 90s and early 2000s look. But now its all the above. Looks,speed, handling etc. Brings back memories.
I wanted a 135i so bad ended up w a 335i but idk what it is the 135 is sm cleaner but I love the 335 too fun car to drive just a little aggy tryna figure out 30ff codes
@@ThatNofbody 335i and 135i are both badass
@@ThatNofbody the 135 runs into wheelbase problems that the 335i doesn’t
I think the Sentra SE-R is pretty underrated. I almost never hear people talk about them, and sell for cheap these days.
Sentra SE-R from the 90s was a beast the later ones that came with the 2.5 were full of oil pump issues
@Jay Adams yeah but the sentra looks wayy better in my opinion
They're very cheap frr. I was trying to find one along with a few other cars like the altima 3.5. But I lucked out fining my a60 supra. But I've also got a 2nd gen toyota matrix and they're also pretty underrated
Corolla / matrix XRS with the 2ZZ engine
@@danwang5044 as someone with a 2nd gen matrix, they're very solid cars and can look pretty nice with the right things done to them
I've got an RX8 and it's great, always broken tho. I like to think of it as more of a RX2/3/4 or even a Cosmo follow up - or even just it's own thing, rather than a RX7 successor. It's such a different car to an FD, I mean it's a 4 door to start with.
Also the renesis is better on mpg, co2, and actually makes more power than any naturally aspirated RX7. It's a miracle they could still make a rotary viable with the emissions restrictions.
I still love RX7s tho, but the 8 is it's own thing. Thankyou for listening to my TED talk.
Totally agree. As soon as I started seeing it as a rotary sports car rather than the rx7 descendant, it starts to shine.
Man you ain’t lying, the one to have tho is an rx8 R3 (usdm spirit R). Mazda went absolutely crazy with the suspension and the 3rd oil injector to finally nullify apex seal failure chef’s kiss. I dominated togue style racing and effortless time of the day’s for autocross. Had the Miata kids highly upset when they heard me pull up. Up in Tennessee I was only beaten by a maximum effort viper. Absolutely insane entry speeds and mid corner speed that car really held like a spider stuck on glue. I miss that car everyday but an FD is my ultimate dream
I am in love with my Series 1 RX8. So much fun to drive and great handling. it is the closest thing to an RX7 I will ever get (So expensive here in Finland). RX7 has better looks but RX8 handling does it for me.
I still miss my 04 RX8 everyday, would love to get another one later in life, even with all of the issues.
Love my '05
I would say the z31 300zx turbo was much more underated than the z32. I love mine with a passion and still handles great for being a car from 1988. 👍
I've got an 86 :)
I have an 85 and whenever I say that I have a 300ZX everyone thinks it’s the Z32. Even when I say that’s it’s an 85 lol
I'd say the genesis cuopes especially BK2s looks wise for me! And the 3.8 v6!
Amazing design and amazing sports car for the money and still slept on especially drift builds!
Yes sir!! I have a 3.8 BK2, light mods. Plan on either supercharging or going turbo mid next year. Glad to see the 3.8 is starting to get more love, as far as aftermarket support
Meh, had a BK2 3.8 for 10 months and got rid of it, I shouldn't have settled for it just because I couldn't afford a 370Z. I think they'll make for good chassis in the future like the Silvia's but that's about it.
My father in law has one as his daily and a Z06 for a weekend car. It’s a blast to drive.... he calls it the Korean Korvette
@@godzilla7391 Twin turbo would be sick. How many miles?
I love my genesis sedan with the 3.8. luxurious, reliable, large tank and plenty of power for a family car.
13:28 The corolla and matrix platform had a base, s, and xrs. The xrs for that gen had the 2zz (revs to 8200 rpm) and a 6 speed manual. These came with a "body kit" or valences that was also on the s. The s model was literally a base with a xrs valence kit.
S also had some stiffer sway bars, at least the one I took apart.
very underrated cars
I have a hot Hyundai take: it shoulda always been the genesis coupe drivetrain and engine with the tiburon styling.
The Honda Accord coupe. I think for a long time before it was discontinued it was one of the few fun cars that Honda still offered. You could get it with a near 300hp j series v6, a 6 speed manual, strut bars and a pretty rigid suspension system on the later models, and of course vtec . Pretty great platform and i consider it a spiritual successor to the prelude. And as a plus it has a sun roof and a nice leather interior and sound system.
Not best underrated of all time but I owned a 2014 Scion Tc. Black with the rear spoiler option which I see many of them don’t have for some reason. Car was an absolute blast and was bullet proof. I used to jump it, push corners hard as all hell, and just drive it hard because I trusted it and knew it’s handling could throw whatever I threw at it. With some Blizzaks on in the winter it did just fine and never got me stuck which was crazy. Got stuck in a flash flood once and hydro locked the engine at around 74k miles and was able to get a replacement with 69k on it and that’s all it needed and ran perfectly until I sold it for my A4. Wish I had the manual transmission in mine which would’ve made it amazing. But for a Hs kid the car was a dream, sporty looking coupe, good speaker system, touchscreen center display, flat bottom steering wheel sounds alright for a 4 cyl.
I've always heard good thing about them but man I can't get over the looks
@Nick Friedges Another very underrated Scion is the 3rd sibling of the GT86 & BRZ lineup, the FRS.
@@EVILNETCH the looks on the older ones is rough, in 2014 they updated the front and rear styling and IMO made it more aggressive and sharp looking, they look much better with the 2014+ models with the spoiler on the rear, the way the trunk slips slightly down makes them look ugly without a spoiler but the spoiler definitely helps fill in the space and make it look complete
@@DrRacer78 ...have you been on tiktok/instagram?
@@bugslayr102Say what you will about Facebook, but that's pretty much the only non gaming (for the most part) related social media site I (most of my family & friends) personally like & use.
I regret being one of the people who hated the new Supra especially when people started to realize how much BMW was in there. Eventually came around after realizing that it's still something that Toyota worked really hard with and that even though there's a lot of BMW stuff in it, it still holds up to the incredible standards Toyota always held about reliability. Great content as always man!
B58 motor is fire 🔥
that COROLLA THO
And the Yaris gr Toyota is on fire lately and the gr86 is best looking of all the gt 86 too.
Lol people who say bmw supra don't even look at the bmw mclaren f1
@@affankazi5627 or pagani, some of them might be bad, but people really sleep on a lot of good German engineering
Man I love the Celica, they were such a cool series of cars. I wish we had a mid-later 2000s gen after the last one. I feel like it would have been worth it
I’ve owned a 2008 Hyundai Tiburon 5 speed for about a year now, it’s my first car and I got it for a great deal! Although what you say is true, it does lack that sports car power, I still find it to be a super fun and sporty car, what it lacks in horsepower and torque it makes up in its handling, shifting, high revs, and absolutely timeless body! I absolutely recommend this car as a first car to anybody interested, it totally does NOT get the recognition it deserves :)
Pontiac Vibe GT and Toyota Matrix XRS are alot easier to get your hands on than a Celica. Same motor/trans, 4 doors and a larger hatch. They also handle amazingly well. I would have said those instead honestly, way more plentiful and the Celica always gets the spotlight due to it's name.
Honorable mention: 2nd gen Ford Probe GT/ Mazda MX6
Shhhh 🤫
@@danieldavison9138 Lol I know I know, I have a second gen base currently and plenty of 1st gens have been in the family. I will be getting me a GT soon. The words been out, but I bet people will still pass on them because of the prices currently.... but there are things we know that they don't ;)
yesss, i had a 03 matrix xrs as my first car and none of my friends knew why i loved it until i let them drive it.
@KuilowKey I don't have any experience with those other than the Probe GT 2.5 6cyl which my aunt bought new and that thing was terribly slow and handled poorly. I recall one of the popular car mags at the time modifying it with basic bolt ons and it actually didn't make any significant amount of power or speed.
@@littlebucks912 you can make about 200hp crank out of a 2.5l with basic bolt-ons like full exhaust, intake, TB, ect. In that with a 5 speed, it was pretty quick for the time. Gotta think, it's a small car with a small motor. Wasn't much slower than the Mustang at the time. And GM's pushrod 3.8 would only make a somewhat 40 more HP 10 years later. They were alright. Alot of people do a JDM KLZE swap. Which will net you about 15 - 20 extra on everything depending on what you do and are a bit more reliable
I loved the 7th gen celica gt, I owned one as my first vehicle and honestly that car was tough as nails. That car survived so much abuse. I really miss it and would love to get another as a gts model.
Yea. It’s currently my first car and I love it. GT 5spd.
Saving up for 3000gt SL though
It was my first car I purchased with my money. 2000 celica gt trd. Car was a blast to drive around and great on gas mileage.
@@v8_sami dude foot to the floor at all times and I still got 25-30
I am in the exact same boat. I miss mine. Although, The 1ZZ in mine but the dust. I really didn’t take good care of it or tune it the right way. My mistakes, which I have learned from, were all made on that poor car. I’d love to get another as a gts
@@thathemiguy don’t know man the 5 speed kinda made it fun hitting the red line and shifting. Plus at the time I had it really didn’t care much about high speed lol.
I will second the Saturn Sky Redline. It looks amazing IRL, like a car that costs way more than it did. Decent power, turbo charger, RWD, and it had a very limited production so there's not gonna be very many people at the car meet with one, if at all ever. I would get one today if I could find one in my area in good condition and the right price.
Agreed. And it's Pontiac cousin, the Solstice. They are both very underrated.
Huh, I always thought they looked cheap tbh and cars aren't that great where I live
GRAND PRIX! Their amazing beginner cars to work on, learn to drive, their cheap, parts are cheap, and their not too bad looking if you get a decent one. They have the GTP with a supercharger or the GXP with the ls3 in it. Lots of builds and aftermarket options as well
I agree with this and with anything that has a supercharged 3800
@@bryantloko I have fond memories of my gp. It was a great car to learn on and their pretty quick
Yep that 3800 with a blower 😄
Yea but ugly
First car I went 140mph in.
Scary AF 😨 😎
Easy answer for me, it’s the Honda Prelude. Honda’s sports car test mule. They were taking 4 Wheel Steering in the early 1990’s, fully adjustable racing bucket seats, modern digi dash in the 3rd gen, upgraded VTEC in the H22a Type S for example. Plus the suspension across the entire line was incredible. Smooth and snappy with a fair amount of rear oversteer. High revving engines, all fun without needing v8 or turbo to enjoy some spirited driving or heading to your fist job out of college. Damn now I miss the prelude.
The Honda del sol I love them it’s a 2 door civic yes they are slow stock just like pretty much every Honda but I think they look really good it’s got a targa top and if you just throw a little turbo on one
It makes it a completely different car I’ve got a built del sol making right at 400 to the wheel and I love it
400??? That sounds terrifying in that tiny car lol sounds like a blast
I use to have a del sol vtec with the b16. It was the most fun I’ve had in a car. That’s saying something because I’ve owned a 3000gt VR4, 1979 monte carlo, e36 BMW, 2005 Audi A4, Fox body Mustang, and an Acura Integra.
All fun cars but not as much as the del sol.
Yup! Got a 93 si that I'm building/restoring for the Mrs to try her hand at auto x with. Such fun cars and very much so a miata syndrome situation. Got a Fiesta ST for myself so it's safe to say I like my clown cars.
I love those cars especially here in the us where we got the vtec model with the factory b16b are sick
Absolutely, I was hoping the del sol would be in this video. I picked up a 93 si 5sp in mint condition for $600 last year and I’ve driven the hell out of it with no issues, most fun car I’ve ever driven and my friends who have driven it all say the same.
I love the supercharged W-Body GM platform. I have a Regal GS that I will be modifying into a Cannonball special with an auxiliary fuel tank and bumping the power up to 400 horses with a smaller pulley, bigger injectors, and a E-85 tune.
Speaking of the tiburon you have to do it correctly for it to be fast . People don't know it but the stock motors alone can make way more power than people expect. I know a guy that has one on stock motor precision 5858 and a megasquirt ms1 on e85 and he ran a 10 sec on his several 10 second passes constantly on stock 2.0l and then did the same stock 1.8 best past was a 10.6 on the stock 1.8l . They are slept on cars just because the support isnt there in the us so you have to make stuff work but they can be fun cars. There's some crazy story's and videos from Korea of them things going against gtr's and other crazy cars street racing in the early 2000s. By as early as 2003 they where already in the 600whp to 700whp range with the tiburon motors.
I am so excited for all the future reviews that you mentioned in this video! Great video as always, man.
Also would love to see a part 2 of this. I definitely have quite a few suggestions not mentioned here.
As someone who owns and daily drives an '03 Celica GT-S, I can say that those cars are definitely underrated. Absolutely phenomenal cars. mine has over 200k miles on it and it still runs like a champ. Great fun around the track as well. Can keep up with cars that are 3X it's price around the corners. Not the fastest on the straights though. :\
Ive had the cobalt ss turbo and the caliber srt4 and I love them both so much. The srt4 was a better daily however since it has a lot of room but the cobalt ss handles sooo good. And both were crazy reliable and could take a beating
Cobalt ss is a reverse engineered Evo 7 chassis
The Toyota Corolla and Toyota Matrix XRS are severely underrated only because I don't think enough people know about them. They're cool cars ☺️
they’ve got VVTI problems and oil problems that really set them back in the sporty saver conversation. sucks, as i agree they’re so cool (who doesnt want an 8k redline??)
Agreed, I love seeing them modified because it’s really uncommon
Hyundai Elantra 03-06. 4 door tibby, about bulletproof, just add some boost. Also, 90's Eunos Cosmo
Came to the video to say the 5th gen prelude...glad to see I wasn't the only one.
The mr2 spyder was a great roadster it handle really well, it was really reliable, it got a really good gas mileage (unlike the previous it was underpowered, but it was safer), but it was really inconvenient.
only reason i didnt like em is cause its literally a 2 door corolla. it shouldve came with the 2zz instead of the 1zz imo
One of the few of my childhood dream cars on the Japanese side that has stayed relatively affordable
@@JoemamaTheHybrid you can get one for 5k or less, as for the engine being underpowered you can swap it, the 2zz isn't any good, I'd put a k20 (it's like 1k for one and you can get a lot of horsepower)
@@whiptheyacht no it's more fun to drive than a corolla.
@@Proud_Sex_Dungeon_Owner 2zz is a really good engine as well. and it’s not that easy to get a k20 depending on where you are
I actually gonna defend the Tiburon because it was my first car and I did throw some money at it and actually beat many RSX, the thing with them is that you had to keep a healthy engine and make sure you do a tune after bolting headers and have good aftermarket fuel pump and regulator and you’ll be able to have a good first car costing way less than the RSX and dont get me wrong I love the RSX but you’ll need to have some more money to afford them over the Tiburon
I loveee my 04 GTO. Black with red interior, manual. Your original video helped me fall in love back in the day. 12k picked it up. One owner, elderly man.
I’d have to disagree regarding the 2003 and newer Tiburons. I bought a 2003 GTV6 with the 6 speed manual brand new when it came out. I installed an intake, headers, catback initially with some solid results. When a shop out of Florida called Next Generation Motorsports took interest into the platform, however, that’s when things got awesome. I bought an upper and lower intake manifold from them and that made a HUGE difference. My final build was a roots blower setup I bought from them too. I dyno’d it at 270whp after a tune. IMO, it was an EXTREMELY underrated platform, and they car was a ton of fun when built right.
The problem with the RX-8 is that you can't swap anything into that engine bay. You have to cut up the firewall for a K swap...
sure about that? there's quite a lot of swaps that can fit in it
My favorite sleeper car is definitely the Grand Prix GXP, i used to have an 2006 one that was black. I loved this vehicle and i miss having one. What i currently have now is an 09 vibe GT and a 2016 Buick Regal GS Awd. Both of these vehicles are also slept on.
I think your referring to the one that was supercharged 260hp stock. could be wrong. my grandmother had a 2003 grand pri supercharged, that acceleration felt good too. i think it had a heads up display and all the little radio controls on the steering wheel. my grandad traded it in for a 2011 sonata turbo. grandmother hated that car and wanted her grand prix back lol
@@jakedover5301 I can understand her hating the Sonata and wanting the Prix back cause i definitely miss mine lol. The one i had came with the ls4 V8 engine with 303 hp.
@@amonebrice5088 yeah for some reason my grandad got on a hyundai kick. their ok i guess, but that sonata wasnt nearly as cool as the prix. I would have preferred a GS V8 cause im a toyota guy but a grand prix with a ls sounds bad ass. i miss the days of the early and mid 00's and how car companies would stuff V8's into 4 doors just cause. the mercury marauder and V8 4runner come to mind.Good ol reliable V8 beats a overly complicated turbo 4 anyday imo. Grandmother also had a turbo 280z back in the day with 5 speed. too young to remember but grandad said it was a rocket and performed better than most the american stuff at the time.
3:48 Having grown up through the 80s, I remember the T-bird SC fondly. The were prone to blown head gaskets and warped heads. Same chassis as the Mustang IIRC.
12:45 I had a friend in the 80s who's dad had a Fiero. It flipped on him and he lost his arm due to having a sunroof that was open and trying to protect his head. There was also a guy up here in Michigan, Royal Oak (same area as Dream Cruise) who had an LS swapped Fiero. He went by the nickname Suicide Sam.
16:54 My uncle had a 93 Z32. I loved that car. They're heavy and no room to work on the engine, but they looked awesome and the interior was very cool for the time.
I would love to have a z32 with an rb swap.
I own a 5th gen prelude and 100% agree that it's underated. I still track the thing from time to time and it has 260k miles on it. That was my first "dream car" I can't stop driving the thing! I've had it since 2009 and I still love it!
ATS V. Whether sedan or coupe, I don't see these much. These are the competitor to M4. Comes in stick too! Blows my mind that these don't have more aftermarket support. I would love to see a sick widebody kit for the coupe
Just the regular ATS with the 4 cyl is a motor based off of the one in the cobalt ss. The v6 is the same as the ones in the camaros. And the alpha platform is amazing for handling. I can see all of these being go-to track weapons at some point in the future .
I love my 2zz Celica I've owned it for almost 12 years I also have an AP1 s2000 and drive my Celica more. Hitting lift on the Celica GTS gives you the same thrill as hitting VTEC on a Honda . I will always have a soft spot for GTS 2zz Celicas , reliable fun not fast but quick . Great on mpg and overall a great car . I've also owned a 1zz but wasn't as enjoyable as my 2zz Celica and my 1zz burned so much oil.
Your and everyones 2zz model is heavy pig. If you love corners more you should like 1zz model more. And all of my friends have the same problem with 2zz... oil pump... so yeah. Stop overrating gts, because its heavy af and thats not fun in corners and overrall. GT all the way if you are a man, so that means go for corners.
No wonder why forza added SS-I again.
@@gtcelica5164 gts is barely heavier, and the gts is the better car that’s why Toyota calls it a gts. 1zz have no power up top compared to a 2zz, the 6 speed is also far better. not to mention on a gts you get a nicer interior, along with optional super strut suspension for jdm models. oil pump is easy to fix, it’s more fun in corners because you have more power coming out. only people with gt celicas have this attitude and idk why, just 2zz swap it or turbo it and stop spreading bs lmao
Owned a RHD Fairlady, and while they're hardly underrated, it was the Z31 chassis, the black sheep of all Z's. It came stock from Japan with an inline six RB20DET, comfy bucket seats, high end materials inside and out, flip ups, T-tops, backseats, and a PSI gauge for the turbo. Felt luxurious, especially for a 1987 Nissan!!
13:29 speacking of the 2000's corolla, the US didn't recieve the t-sport which was their attempt of a hot hatch, it also came with a 2zz-ge aswell
yeah no t sport but we had the matrix xrs and the pontiac vibe gt
"BMW Zupra".
When the Toyota Supra A90 MK5 has a chassis that was both built by Toyota and BMW , after the BMW Z4 was cancelled off before Toyota and BMW collaborated for the new Supra.
P.S.
The B58 wasn't just thrown in the new Supra by BMW. It also had to past Toyota's inspections/standards.
Also, the A80 Supra MK4, that gets too much hype, wasn't all that in the 1990s to early 2000s stock-wise, along with having poor sales, and was also CRITICIZED for being too different to the MK3 A70 Supra along with not havin' the "pop up headlights" and "looking like a value brand front engine Ferrari".
*Edit*
The A80 MK4 Supra, in stock form(with the 2JZGTE) barely could outrun a C4 base model Corvette of the early -mid 90s(stock), while costing alot than the C4 Corvette.
The B58 is the way
The a90 is much better looking imo but I never cared for the 80. I'd assume the dissapointment stems mostly from everybody wishing for the next 2jzgte more than actual dissapointment in the chasis. Not a supra guy so I could be mistaken.
@@BabaYagaRacing I heard that when the MK4 was brand new, in Japan It was marketed as a sport car for women, (nothing wrong with that) but seriously it's overrated who pays 300,000USD, with that amount of money I could probably buy a Diablo or a 964 turbo.
I prefer an MK3 with a 1JZ ITB turbo.
@@FoldedPaperDoll Yet people fail to realize that the 2JZ was from the Toyota Aristo. NOT the A80 Supra Mk4
Don’t care every sticker under the hood has a BMW logo. It’s not a Toyota.
the Tiburon deserves a little more credit, as a broke boi type of car. for people like me who's parents couldn't afford to buy them anything cool it's an easy to get car, when I came of driving age my parent's spotted me $1000 and said to go buy a car, and once you get a job you can pay us back, so I pitched in some of my own savings and got a Tiburon for $2500, now that I've paid my folks their 1k back I've started to modify this car and I like it, I found a Chinese ebay turbo kit for the 4cyl motor (advertised as being able to make 485hp yea right) that came with no instructions, so with that, a new head gasket, new head studs, a set of valve springs, and a guy on an obscure forum who helped me hack the ECU, I now have a 321whp tibby and I spent less than the price of a lightly modified RSX that showed up at my local used car dealership. so for a poverty spec sports car I think I did ok at least.
The motors in the tiburons are slept on you can make good power easy if done right. And the stock bottom end can take 400+whp with some abuse. That's both the v6 and i4 except the i4 motors can take way more abuse. And both the motors can sound amazing. Plus they can handle amazing when set up right. It's just that most people cheaped out on them in the us or the ones that did modified it wrong or their car just was noticed enough even when done right.
@@rushking19 yea, if I can find a gas station that sells it I'm thinking about doing an E85 tune for more power, I called up my gal pal who tunes my shit and she said I could probably gain about 100hp if I get new cams and even bigger injectors
@@gaydes1012 that's exactly what I'm doing with my v6 6 speed I'm putting together a turbo set up from parts I got from around, rn I'm getting the turbo up pipe redone at a buddy's place. I just got to wait till I get back vacation so I can buy some of piping needed to change the turbo orientation to more to my liking. But I plan on running 8 psi for low boost on pump 93 hopefully will make mid 300+whp and then on e85 I'm going for 12 psi to hopefully make closer to 400whp on e85. I have a gtx3582r with an .82 ar turbine housing , that should supply and move a good bit of air it will be running on a megasquirt m2 standalone I wired in.
@@rushking19 nice, hopefully I can take on some more hours at my job over the summer to be able to afford the parts I need to make 400hp, thankfully my tuner accepts payments in boba tea so her work is pretty much free, I just gotta get the car ready and bring it to her.
2006 is350, my current daily. Lowed on BC Racing coilovers, F Sport exhaust and some wheels. Thing breaks necks and sounds sick for a V6. Definitely underrated.
You should look at the comment mentioned on the Corolla S, there's a model mentioned in your chat about the XRS Corolla which had the GT-S Celica motor, also the Toyota Matrix XRS is another one
Very happy to see a speed6 on this list. By default underrated as hell! Such an amazing car, I love mine. Can definitely beat the reliability issues too.
I totally agree with that, as long as you know yourself around the speed 6 it can be super reliable compared to many others and for the power you can gain. I own one too and I'm very happy with it!
The 4th generation eclipse. I've heard way to much crap about it and its mostly about it not being all-wheel drive or dsm but its extremely reliable. If you get the gs 4cly then you have 165hp but if you get the gt v6 your at 265 plus it has a variation of the 4g63 engine and it's honestly pretty good looking and a lot of these things make it to 200k miles easily. BUT everyone assumes because its an eclipse ... and its Mitsubishi that its bad. i honestly don't feel comfortable saying it because its the car community best kept secret, you also get mivec but the depending on who you ask they'll eventually say it's just Mitsubishis version of vtec. i remember when i was looking at cars most of the people around me were telling me why that and were trying to get me to get a Z or mustang but im honestly happy with my choice its a really unique-looking car and there's nothing on the road like it. it has a porche like body style but thats just my opinion. mine is a 2006 model year
i had a 2009 model eclipse and never had an issue with mine. Very little aftermarket supprt.But the 6-cylinder was good right out of the box. Another mitsubishi that gets slept on because its "not a vr4" is the 3000gt SL 220hp v6,3100lbs and its reliable, The vr4's major issues were its electronics..not its engine and transmission. But it does share the exact same engine without the turbos but higher compression. And it has a wide piston short stroke set up its made for RPM like a honda engine.
If anything, it's really just the DSM elitists who say that the Eclipse died after the 00's is the reason why the post 2000 Eclipses get the most hate.
@@jordanprice9285 well to be fair they are a lot less tunable after the 2nd gen. Mitsubishi gutted what was good out of them to keep them from competing against the evo. Then wondered why everyone disliked the eclipse and the sales cratered. Apparently they haven't learned shit from that since they did an even worse fuck-up and turned into a pontiac aztek looking gutless suv called the eclipse cross..Which also has embarrasingly low sales..
I had a 06 GS loved it. 5 speed on stanced out.
Underrated is good
Makes em more unique
Sadly after owning 2 Mitsubishi's they're ass when it comes to service and finding parts
I love my 96' BMW Z3 and yes it's MINT. Never had failed me. Just routine maintenance and oil changes. Love it.
As a kid, i fell in love with the last gen celica and did all the research in the world to know the car like the back of my hand, it was FOR SURE going to be my first car. Then I ended up finding a low mile GTO for a great price....and it survived my teenage years. She's retired now from daily duties for almost a decade and I spent a few bucks making her look and drive great. Sits in the garage all week, and I get to enjoy my first ever car on the weekends the way it was meant to be enjoyed.
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The fiero is an amazing car done right. Even stock mine handles pretty good. I have a Honda k24 in it so I have enough power to have fun. The only thing I would change is put stiffer suspension on it and bigger brakes but other than that I’m pretty happy with the car. Minus the electrical issues with my blinkers lmao.
I agree. I use to drive one daily. That said, you had to respect it in the rain as the back end would try to slide out.
..an engine swap doesn't really qualify as "stock"
glad someone mentioned the 5th gen prelude, been wanting and have been building it slowly currently for reliability but havent had anu issues since i bought it. but i plan to put a turbo, make it awd and all the fun stuff.
I was sitting here eating ice cream as I watch this and I was looking away right before David started talk about the 5th gen prelude which made me break my neck then put a smile on my face because that’s what I just bought a couple months ago for my first car
Sorry but the Hyundai Tiburon can be a fast car with a aftermarket turbo and I will end up doubling the horsepower.
I also believe modern 2017+ Hyundai elantra sport are underrated with as much tuning potential as Hyundai veloster(s) and is a direct competitor to Honda civic(s)
Stock tiburon bottom ends cam make over 400+whp both the v6 and i4 engines
Tiburons if had gotten the aftermarket support and media clout like it's JDM counterparts, so many people wouldn't be so ignorant of how good the Tiburon is and the potential it has.
@@ElisaTuscani27 they had a lot of aftermarket support back in the day and would of gotten more if most owners wasn't so cheap. That's what caused a lot of aftermarket companies to leave why make parts for a car that people don't want to buy.
I will say this about the 5th gen Prelude it's definitely the best Prelude especially having the best looks and performance
Honestly I don't get the RWD argument with the Prelude like I don't get how it gives the looks as a RWD car but either way as a FWD car it was surely a damn good one especially the SH and Type S model in Japan plus you got to admit it's a nice coupe for what it is
The 5th generation was front heavy with weight distribution at 37/63; it should have been rear wheel drive at that point. Yeah the Type SH did handle pretty nice but really Honda missed the incredible opportunity to continue the long standing tradition of introducing new technologies to the market by introducing them on the Prelude. There was plenty of 5th gen Bb6 owners that would go on to buy the S2000s but always wanted the Prelude to be a RWD coupe in its last iteration! Interestingly enough the Type SH system (ATTS) is what currently make the New NSX so bad ass. So in a way the Prelude does live on!
2008-2013 Buick Regal GS AWD turbo / Opel Insignia OPC AWD turbo ... Some of these were modified to the point they were killing just about anything on the street... Very underrated and even more rare to find.
The Chrysler Crossfire and Audi TT are under appreciated. The Crossfire looks like a modern Art Deco inspired design. As for the TT, it reminds me of the VW Karmann Ghia, a car I have always loved.
I love the celica, it’s an amazing car. Fixing one up rn
Wait I'm confused is he hating on the LFA or is he saying it's not underrated? I thought it didn't really receive much attention when it released?
It's def not underrated.
@@ThatDudeinBlue okay thanks for clearing that up for me
One of my biggest surprises came from a 90s Celia. It had the vvt GT motor & 5-speed. First 4-cylinder to glue me to my seat. That was before I knew the potential of a 4-cylinder. I've even been in a turbo 1jz G3 Supra before and it wasn't that much difference. Made me want a Celica for years after that ride. Might have been the passenger seat optical illusion. I remember all my car feeling way faster when someone else drove them.
Currently own and drive a 2010 cobalt SS absolutely in love with this thing. Only down side is it's fwd, would love to get into a V8 rwd car sometime soon
I hear about the Chevy SS so much. I actually was looking to buy one back in 2017. Went to chevy to order one they said it didn't exist. So I went with a new wrx sti as I was picking up my new car the subaru dealer had one just come in... I've seen 3 all together so far
GM ceased production of the Chevy SS in 2017 & replaced it with a car produced in Germany from 2018 - 2020, called the Opel Insignia & badged in Australia as the ZB Commodore & Buick Regal in the U.S.
@@sandygarage3802 yes but they said they never existed the 4 chevy dealers I went to even with them checking their systems. Early 2017 and the 4 dealers never knew they existed wasn't in their systems
Lol I wish people talked about the Solstice GXP/Sky Redline more. Everyone just lumps them in with the 2.4 base models and write them off as slow GM garbage but the 2.0 turbo ones are definitely worth talking about. It would be cool to see David review a GXP/Redline because that one review of that base model really put them in a bad light. Everyone also likes to jump on the interior quality even though it's still a whole lot better than a lot of Japanese shitboxes. All in all, I think you should give these Kappas another chance with a turbo model with some bolt ons. I got a full bolt on (besides the turbo) GXP if you're ever around South Florida.
*Also, you need to use your right hand for the window buttons and your left hand for the waterfall pop-out cupholders.
I’m in south Florida with a solstice gxp upgraded turbo stage 2… I’m always looking for car meets if you wanna let me know
1992-1996 Benz W124 400e/E420. The W124 like the Volvo 240 gets over looked for modding, but the fact it came as a 3600 sedan with a 275hp in the early 90s and has the room to fit an LS or Coyote today along with a surprising amount of upgrades from Toyota,Nissan, and newer Benz gear gives it a certain appeal for a sleeper
The Civic E-AT gen it's underrated, even with the victories in group A and N1, N2 racing categories with Mugen team, back in the 80's, also It was the first Civic that offered a DOHC engine the ZC.
chevy impala SS
I think everyone knows that its a awesome car. Thats coming from a Mercury Marauder owner.
I’m kind of considering buying a RX8 which would likely mean sending me straight down the bankruptcy route, as a unemployed guy in my early 20s , who already have 2 cars and lives in Sweden (which as some of the highest taxes and fuel prices).
I have an 08 caliber srt4 stage 1. Love it!!! Ppl think it's a kitted out regular caliber until they hear the blowoff lol
Bro I love the Channel and love this type of video where you sit and have videos and pictures while explaining, but I NEED you to get a cool ass pc so you have some rgb and tempered glass behind you. Keep up the great work brother 🙏 god bless you
That Celica on the cover for your vid I love those Celica 's. The exact one on the cover is actually clean
I own a z32 and the main thing I hear about them is the engine bay being a pain to work on. Its to the point that my local dealership quite literally sends every z32 to an independent shop whose owner specializes in them.
Mine needs some work via engine harness and whatnot, but plan on twin turboing the NA engine because the cost per performance is alot better and affordable than the actual twin turbo counterpart.
I also own a Z32 but a TT model. The engine bay is not that bad. Like any modern cars are way worse than it and no one complains about them
@@VeilSideZ32 I deduce that to it being expected for a modern car to be cramp or overly complicated. For older, many would assume simplicity and ease of maintenance.
If u do this type of video again, definitely talk about the matrix xrs. I used to have one in blue and it was a 2002 model. That thing was an amazing car, it may have been a hand me down from my mom and kinda looked like a mom car, but it is slept on hard. Handles well, decent power-weight. All around a great car
there are much better cars that come with the 2zzge, especially considering how awful the suspension setup on them is
agree with everything said in this video. no one can deny David really has his ear to the street when it comes to car culture in america 👍
One of my old biddies dad's had a mercury merauder with some sticky tires an exhaust and small tune. Only ever road passenger in the car but really comfy, pretty quick and handled well for a bigger car
The NC Miata is on a shortened frame of the RX-8. I have a 2006 NC Miata currently and I have owned a turbo Mazdaspeed Miata NB and I prefer the NC for sure. I plan on doing a build on mine, I'll have to keep you posted.
I also have an is300 I'm in the process of building right now with a manual swap and turbo 👍☺️
One of the most underrated “sport” cars of all time is the volvo c30 t5. The styling in my opinion is very nice and still holds up today. The interior is ok but where it really shines is the engine! 5 cylinder turbo!
I can’t believe no one mentioned the Taurus sho completely forgotten and slept on also the early 2000s mercury cougar was a great car fairly slow but still cool and the caliber art funny story the first and only time I saw one I was racing it at a drag strip had no idea what it was and was really amazed at how quick it was if I remember correctly it was putting down consistent 13’s not bad really
The celica is the only car ive ever truly loved, i want and love all of them. Gen 6 205 is the dream of course but the 2zz is just as nice
I missed the polls but the JI Isuzu Impulse. Like the Geo Storm but with a turbo and AWD version in the RS trim. Even the base model had Lotus suspension.
The 89‐95 thunderbird SC
Super Coupes were way ahead of their time. Independent rear suspension way before mustang.
Rear wheel drive. It beat the corvettes of same years...
You should totally review a 2003-2008 Corolla xrs/matrix xrs with the 2zz Yamaha engine. Such great little cars, but I would agree the normal Corolla S cars were nothing to write home about just an appearance package for an already nice little daily.
100%. my first car was a 03 matrix xrs and it was so much fun. I learned that there was a base, s, and xrs model for both. the s model was the base with the xrs valence kit on.
So many I can't decide. The MR2 Turbo from the 90's was underrated, Mitsubishi Starion, Ford probe GT/Mazda mx6.
I always have said that the “S” in Corolla S stands for spoiler splitter side skirts 😂
This is for underrated cars (not necessarily cars that get “hate” per se):
C5-C7 corvettes. Many people used to look at them as boomer garage queens but finally have wised up to the fact that there is no car that gives you more performance per dollar on the market. They’re not slept on like they used to be but I’d still argue they’re underrated. They’re such sick cars that are really affordable and have a robust aftermarket. Also ridiculously reliable. You can build a corvette for literally any purpose: drag racing, twisty mountain road car, or even drifting. It’s an easy platform to make huge power on, and despite all the hate for a leaf spring suspension, they’re killer in the mountain roads. I think people are starting to realize this because the c5 and c6 have become really popular drift cars in the last few years. But when I was growing up, they were looked at as simply an overrated midlife crisis car.
Also Gen 3 vipers (yes yes I know, I’m basically plugging my own cars). Gen 3 was the most common generation for the viper and a lot of people don’t like verts (which was the only way you could buy them from 03-05). You can pick up a great condition gen 3 for right around 40k. That’s a lot of car for 40k. Yes, the ACR has always had mad respect, but a regular Gen 3 vert is something a lot of people will thumb their nose at because they’re under the illusion that it’s a “base model” that shares little in common with its track-focused counterpart. The reality is that it actually has the same chassis as every other gen 3-5 viper. With a simple coilover swap and some better brakes, it’s an absolute animal of a car.
The amount of performance per dollar in both of these platforms is why I own them both. Lot of other good stuff mentioned in the comments here. These are just 2 platforms I have experience with and got into explicitly because of affordability :)
I had a MS6 and I to this day dont understand how people talk about the speed 3 without talking about the speed 6. Thing was a beast in the snow also.
9:40 Happy to see the Cali SRT4 on there, I myself have a Caliber
On the Rx8. The flooding issue was easily resolved by upgrading the starter. Even if you did flood it they were easy to deflood but people freaked out.
As for the motor - if you have an OEM motor from factory they are decent. But if you have a reman OEM motor they are super bad because they were rebuilt but CAT not Mazda.
FINALLY the 5th Gen Prelude. I’ll add that the US models didn’t get the 4ws but did get the SH stuff though now those aren’t as desirable as a base. JDM Accord H23A is nearly drop-in and offers huge gains (for a Honda) over the stock h22
Drove a Caliber SRT4 out of the showroom in 2009. Would have another now that tires are more readily available and less costly. My wife still says it was her favorite car to drive ever.
R53 mini coopers, they have a great chassis, engine is easy and cheap to modify, they’re relatively affordable nowadays, and to top it off the interior quality is good!
that same gen corolla XRS had that 2zz-ge out of the celica/ lotus Elise so not a regular corolla. a corolla with VTEC
Isuzu impulse rs from the 80's with the Lotus tuned suspension. I had a friend that had one. Was so much fun.
A lot of 3000gts/dodge stealths were just flat out crashed too. Hell two from my high school alone back in the day were totaled. Couldn’t imagine it being different elsewhere.
My take is:
Any VW New Beetle, they came with a 1.8t in the 2000's which is an awesome tuning platform, they are somewhat light, short wheel base, it could be a grate street/Track car, plus, it shares parts with the MKIV/MKV Golf, so aftermarket support is no problem, seriously underrated
AE111 toyota corolla levin and sprinter trueno. Came with the legendary 20 valve 4AGE and 5/6 speed manuals depending on what series you bought.
Last gen Celica had the 2zz 1.8 almost same hp as the kseries. And can handle boost great and power great! The 2zz literally I use to beat integras with my 2zz and swapping a 2zz into a Corolla built head with nos is a monster.
The 1ZZ handles boost better though. But it all doesn’t really matter at the end of the day cuz they Celica are expensive to tune and don’t have much aftermarket support. Like a DC5.
I mean I love my Celica but I can’t lie. At least I can out corner an RSX for days
@@omarawilson2853 1zz doesn’t really do any better with boost, your better off boosting a 2zz. celicas actually have a lot of aftermarket support, you just have to look
@@arcanevoid9199 on stock internals it is. Celica have aftermarket support but not nearly as much as say the RSX. And the aftermarket for Celica’s becomes pricey fast compared to their competitors, and almost isn’t worth nodding in the end.
Because as said in the video, the RSX is the much better car, and this is coming from a Celica owner. While I feel my car corners better, that’s about all I can really say for it, cuz there’s just so much more you can do to an RSX without having to go broke in the process, and it’s engine is a near perfect platform
@@omarawilson2853 yea the 1zz can handle more boost safely but your still gonna make less power than a 2zz on less boost so what’s the point. Hondas aren’t that cheap to modify either, the celica is better than the rsx but they are both behind the dc2
The fiat 124 Spyder, and the Alfa 4C. Both small Italian sports cars sold in the USA, both of which are hugely underrated and not even considered when talking about sports cars to buy.
Nissan Juke with the same M16DDT from the Renault Sport Clio and Nissan Deltawing racecar. Lower the Jukes center of gravity for and already small car and it makes for a really fun weekend circuit racer or rally cross racer if you got the 4wd model. It employs a turbocharger and utilizes various controls to combine engine performance equivalent to a 2.5L engine while being 1.6L class. If don't you already know, now you know. These little "Pukes" are a blast to drive when they're built and tuned as well.
Saab 9-5, Mine is the 2.0 150bhp stock (gt17 turbo), now has a td04 from the 2.3 model, and noobtune stage 2 map, 250bhp and 370nm torque, it's pretty quick and has surprised one or two people
4th Gen Mazda 3 turbo. Sure it doesn't have a manual, but the auto stick isn't terrible and it's a very fun and zippy car to run around town in while being super comfortable.
Another shout out to the corolla and matrix xrs for being super slept on. I got a curve ball for you Dave. Dodge spirit/shadow r/t! 90s 2.2 liter turbo 220 horse! Forgotten about compared to the taurus sho