I really like your video. Excellent job and thank you for posting it. Earlier this year I shopped for a new 2023 WR450F, but I ended up getting a new 2023 YZ450FX because I got a lot better deal on it from another dealer. I bought a new take off WR450F exhaust and put it on my bike tonight. I have watched your video about 3 times so far. This is my first 450. I have owned a WR250F and three YZ250F new bikes.
Thanks for watching 👍 I rode with a guy the other day that had a 2022 YZ450FX and he loved his bike as well. This is the first 450 that I've owned as well (I've ridden them a handful of times before this though) most of the riding I do I'm surrounded by 300 2T bikes, so I'd say this 450 holds its own quite well out there.
lets meet up! haha, I'd like to try the 250 as well. It's really good bike for most things honestly.. It's a blast on single track, technical stuff too (went up a rocky hiking path on Sunday) still feels light and nimble, but has power on demand when you hit the big hills 👌
I ride an YZ250F from 2018, added two radiator fans and a scooter battery because sometimes I do the rocky hard stuff. Other than not having electric start, I wouldn’t change anything on it. I still own a two stroke KTM, but absolutely felt in love for this four stoke YZ.
Interesting I didn't realize that a 2018 was old enough to not have an electric start. Must have just missed it. It's funny that you run dual fans, I was considering doing that and had looked into it but didn't see anyone else doing it. The way I see it is if you can keep the engine in its optimal operating temps you'll prolong the life of the motor. I'm going to look into it more now 👍 It's amazing I've even watched video's where people are flat out against radiator fans because they can drain the battery... which is nonsense as the motor generates electricity to run the fans as the motor is running... it's like saying you don't want to use the lights in your truck as it draws power from the battery.. Anyways I hear ya, I'm a sucker for the 4 stroke power, but keep in mind my backup bike is a 2000 RM250 which is way more "2 stoke at heart" than the modern 2 strokes are... I honestly think that the modern 4 strokes are a closer resemblance to old school 2 strokes - whereas modern 2 strokes are like super lightweight "oldschool" 4 strokes. I feel like they reversed roles. I've owned many oldschool 4 strokes and never cared for them, the older 2 strokes were way more exciting.. Now in current times the 4 strokes are way more lively and the 2 strokes kinda feel sluggish (even though they do absolutely rip) but you have to ask it to do so. Wow, I'm blabbering on.. Sorry about that haha.
I’ve always loved two strokes I have two euro 250s in my shed but have purchased a 2022 Wr 450 and I gravitate to it . The traction it has is superb. Love this bike👍
You know, I try to be a 2 stroke fanboy (I've had a few 2 strokes - still have my 2000 RM 250) but I always seem to gravitate to this bike as well.. it's just soooo good! hard to explain unless you ride it for a day. Everyone has their own riding style and preference, but I feel like this bike adapts to whoever wants to ride it, it's just a great bike, honestly.
I’ve had 4 WR 450’s over the last seven years and have used all of them in hard enduro events. You do have to be a stout lad to muscle this bike through the tough stuff because it is a bit heavy, but you gotta love the hit of power. It’s intoxicating. Ironically I’m buying a new Beta 300 RR this spring like your friends bike. It will be interesting to compare the two. Thanks for the video. Cheers from North Eastern Ontario!
I'd agree, you don't want to be a little guy in the woods with a 450, luckily I'm 6' 200lbs and grew up in the country so wrestling 450's isn't much an issue for me. I barely got to ride that 300 and I thought it was cool, super luggable and light feeling. Hard enduro all day it would be a better choice than a 450 for sure. Faster flowy trails is a bit soft for me. Thanks Cheers!
I'm almost sure William's friend has a Beta XT, not a 300RR. It's hard to get a good look, but it has the color scheme of an XT and it's mentioned that it's a smaller bike with a smaller pipe. Idk why WR450 AND Beta are not in the title.
@@captainamerica9353 Yes he has the Beta Cross Trainer, he's a shorter guy so it works perfect for him. I didn't have the Beta in the title as I was making this video about my WR - he just happened to be my riding buddy that day so I talked about it a little.
@@evanwilliams6352 , I think you'd get more views by including the Beta ? I have a 2022 XT, prolly same year as your buddies. I'm 5' 11" and 185 with a 32" inseam. One of the factors in getting the XT was the 35.8" seat, as opposed to the 37" seats on so many bikes. Everyone I know with a tall seat gets a lower one, or a lowering link, unless they're 6 foot plus. I wish they would keep the tall heights on the MX and Enduro racers and 34-35" on the rest. BTW, your WR is cool !
@@captainamerica9353 I probably could have yes, I suppose I wasn't trying to muddy the waters for people that were here for the Beta, while i'm blabbing on about the Yamaha. I'm lucky I suppose I've been 6' tall since I was 16 so seat hight has never been a concern to me but I see the struggle in shorter guys when we're out doing switchback, log hops kinda trails. Thanks! It's been raining here non stop for 3 weeks, getting antsy to go ride it!
Yes i think that angle worked out really well! It would be cool to have another on the helmet or take the time to set camera's out, but for this occasion it was great! One down low, say under the radiator looking forward would be cool too.
I have the 2023 wr250f fully uncorked I’m buying the 450 next month the 250 you need to stay up in the rpm’s abit more but yha it’s for the open logging roads and fire roads and hills I want the 450 . Hell yeah, I agree with you. The WRs are an absolutely amazing bike. Both the 250 and the 450. The weight on the bikes you don’t really notice unless you stop or fall
I'd like to try out a modern 250f - it's been a while. You definitely need to stay on top of them a bit more than a 450... however... just because a 450 has more low down torque doesn't mean you should ride it low rpm. You're still at risk of stalling without good clutch control. It's also pretty hard on engine components torquing it like that. I'd suggest to keep the RPM's up like you do on your 250, you'll find it to be smooth.
Excellent video, I bought a 2023 brand new and I asked about the gytr ecu and the dealer told me don’t worry about it, it has the ecu installed and he helped me load the maps on my phone right there and showed me how it works so I assume that is the gytr ecu and ccu
yeah you got lucky, those are not from factory. roughly $800 in items. I got the GYTR ECU ($200) and the MAP switch ($100) but still haven’t got the CCU ($500) The CCU is what WiFI connects to your phone so you can do the tuning.
@@evanwilliams6352 but I also heard the AUS spec bike comes like that, you just have to remove throttle screw and the restictor in thr airbox. From what side of the world are you?
@@evanwilliams6352 its sad that the US spec you have to spend a bit of money to get the real deal out of it, I am in South Africa and we also get the AUS version this side
@@johnwhatley6358 that’s nice to know that you’re getting the better version. It’s definitely a “hidden gem” around here. Since they’re “Corked” from factory people turn their heads away from buying one. It makes sense that they do. I did my research on it before buying so i knew i would get a great bike out of it. But there are very few around here that i know of, and i’m part of a big facebook group of riders. That is actually the reason for this video, as I had a hard time finding information.
thanks man. The difference isn't a whole lot really... the gearing is apparently the same. The WR comes with the headlight, tail light, speedo, fuel consumption meter, rad fan, Spark arrestor, softer valving in the suspension. But remember that it comes "corked" so you'll likely want to uncork it and get the GYTR ECU ($300 for the ECU and MAP switch - another $300 for the WiFi module) The FX will be "uncorked" from factory with the GYTR stuff ($600 worth of stuff) but if you're wanting some of the stuff that the WR comes with you'll likely spend more money getting it to that point. I plan on putting plates on mine soon so I can legally get to some of the riding areas.. so everything that the WR comes with I would have had to install on an FX later on, so the WR made more sense to me.
It's a blast of a bike, and all the other 450's I've tried in the woods this one is best suited for it. I recommend this bike. It's almost riding season again, I'll try to find the time to make more videos of the bike.
Great review and nice to see it alongside the Beta. I ride similar terrain and am considering the 2022 or 2023 WR450F. I enjoy the low end lugging ability and, of course, Yamaha's amazing reliability and full KYB's
You hit the nail on the head, they have a huge amount of torque on the bottom, as long as you're on the gas even a little it'll keep going. 4 strokes don't have the same low end "basement" where they'll continue to run below the idle point, but it's a huge amount of power just off idle. Also yes, I can't get behind the KTM products as easily as a Japanese bike, the europeans just don't build in the same reliability as the Japanese do.
I'm considering a 2019 one of these as here in the UK there is a lot of green lanes which connect up with roads so I have to wring the neck of my current 2012 te250 4 stroke between the lanes. Also find I'm up and down the gears all the time as the ratios are quite close. I think the wr450 is probably a bit more power than I need though but with the adjustable maps etc being able to tame it sounds a winning combo, my other choice is Beta 350/390rr.. You also make the WR look effortless but I think your riding ability is probably above 95% of people who watch this, when the front end is coming off the ground, looks you could wheelie it for days lol.
I had went with the 450 as I needed the headroom for hillclimbs and dunes riding. 250's are fun an probably plenty or (enough) for most riders honestly. The Wr's aren't road legal out of the box over here, but if they are where you are in the UK then it's going to be a great choice.
What’s involved in uncorking one of these fuel injected WR’s. I bought a brand new WR in 2007 and it was a pretty extensive uncorking project. Once she was done; BEAST!!! Just wondering what has to be done to this new one….I’m thinking about getting a 2023
it's not hard at all, it's weird that you have to do it in the first place but not an issue. 1. Buy the GYTR ECU $200 - you can also get the map switch $100 and the WiFi module $300 - $500 (depending on availability) but only the GYTR ECU is required. If you live in Australia I heard they already come with this ECU. (some people argue that the ECU is not required, in my experience the bike was already a touch lean so I didn't risk it.) 2. Remove the throttle screw stop screw located on the throttle body and shorten it to allow full motion of the throttle. A shorter screw is provided with the GYTR ECU. 3. Take out the air filter and remove the air baffle / restricter located under the air filter. It's barely glued into place and rips out easy (almost like its meant to be ripped out) 4. Take off the very tip of the tailpipe (where the spark arrester is located) and drill out the decibel reducer, as it restricts exhaust flow. (its riveted on both sides, slides right out once you drill the rivets out) 5. Go out for a rip!
Hey Evan, I know you mentioned that you have the (2022 YZ450FX) GYTR ECU for your bike. Did you purchase and install it yourself? And did it come stock with the two "mild and wild" tunes you are referring to? I just got a 2021 WR450f and I find the stock tune is a bit much for me in tight technical terrain. I was hoping I could avoid buying the CCU and just get away with the GYTR ECU and the control switch. Thanks!
Yes I have the GYTR ECU (not sure exactly what model, I bought it from the dealer - I'm assuming it's for the FX) yes I installed it myself and the map switch, I did not get the WiFi module yet.. the ecu comes with x2 pre loaded maps that you can access with the map with "mild" and "wild" is what I call them. I "Uncorked" my bike when I installed the new Ecu, so that in itself would have given me loads more power in itself, but it didn't want to uncork the bike until I had that new ECU, I was concerned that it was already running pretty lean, I didn't want to add even more air to the mix. if your bike is still corked and stock ECU then you're going to get a wake up call once you uncork it and change the ECU, it'll be way more of a handful than it currently is. To answer your question - yes, you can just buy the ECU by itself and it'll be in one map, buying the switch allows you to access the second map already uploaded, and buying the CCU allows you to tune those maps as you please.
I considered a few bikes actually.. (mostly Yamaha 😄- as I’ve always been a fan and reliability of the Japanese bikes) I started looking at the 250fx about a year prior to buying this bike, as a 250 is plenty of power for a lot of situations (we have a million hill climbs around here though) then I thought of the 450fx so I had the power available if I needed it, then I was on the waiting list for the 2022 yz250 for 6 months - I was going to make it into a yz250x… but it never showed up and riding season was half over.. I started looking again at the 450fx and it was my wife that found a WR450F available somewhat locally. At first I didn’t even consider it as the WR has always been more of a trail bike, and I’m more of an aggressive rider.. till later I had realized that the WR was a very close brother to the yz450f and yz450fx - but with the added headlight, taillight, radiator fan, bigger stator, odometer, speedometer, and of coarse - the wide ratio transmission. A lot of these parts were things I was considering installing onto the 450fx anyways, but would cost a lot more time and money to install compared to simply buying a WR off of the floor. The only downfall was the lack of GYTR ecu and tune-ability in stock form ($300 in parts and “uncorking” it’s now the same as a 450fx power wise - another $450 for the Wi-Fi module to tune it with your phone) it ended up being a no brainer to me. I haven’t had the chance to try a 250fx or 450fx, I’m sure they’re great bikes and better suited for trail than the track version of the bike, but I bet most people would be better suited for the WR over the FX honestly.
Hey,..thanks for the time and consideration. Great feedback. Reason I asked was that I had a yz250fx, Great bike but it lacked the snap tork throttle responce I like for my style of riding, enduro and motocross. I like how you describe the wr450 still corked to a 250fx but with more tork, but then once uncorked its the 450fx with all the extra lights fan, extra. Thanks again and best wishes.
@@erick5327 I bet that a 250fx has quite a bit more top end than a WR450 when it’s corked, but it still had good bottom end / midrange (although it felt a little sluggish, not very responsive, almost like it would ramp up to power) uncorked it’s snappy and responsive everywhere, I leave it in the mild map most of the time to keep the arm pump down. It’s pretty drastic how different the power is between the two maps. If you’re riding the track I think the fx would be great for you, I think the WR could do it honestly, without touching the suspension, but not at any sort of competitive level. You’d have to re-valve, similar to what the FX has. I rode a bit of track when I was younger but haven’t been back in a long time.
I’d be interested in this as well. Trying my first Harescrambles this year, growing up on two strokes and coming from two older wr450s now I’m looking at the 250x, 250fx or 450fx and the two WRs! Edit; missed the replies, good info. I just can’t afford a 2022 so I’m interested in the slightly older fxs xs and wrs
@@andymcfarlane2365 I'm sure they're all great bikes no matter what you find! I think a 250fx would be cool for woods racing. I haven't gotten to ride one personally but I've always liked the power of a 250f, I feel like you can push them harder and have more fun, where you'll be hard pressed to ever use the full potential of a 450 in the woods.
I would like to see what it looks like too, I don't have the WiFi module to link to my phone, not yet anyways. It'll likely be something I purchase this year. Perhaps there are photos or videos on the internet of what the GYTR ecu maps look like from factory, as I haven't changed the maps.
There’s a bunch of mild maps on the forums for the 2012. Never had a problem with the popular maps for the 2012 model. Usually ran it on aggressive though.
Great vid! I just bought a 22' wr450f and I'm having trouble finding parts. This might be a stupid question but do you know if it's the same as the 2020? I ask because some of the sites for parts only go to 2020 for the WR450. Seems like the gytr ecu and fmf exhaust are all OOS on the sites I've looked at. Thanks!
The 2021 - 2023 WR450F are the same, but (I believe) the 2018 - 2022 YZ450f and likely 2019 - 2023 YZ450FX are all going to share many similar parts. The GYTR ECU that I have is for the 2022 YZ450FX I believe (I called my local Yamaha dealer and they got it for me) If you're buying a pipe, all the years that I listed should work just fine on your bike 👍
@@Jdake801 if they start a 350 class then It would happen, till then I don't see it happening unfortunately, which is sad as the common 350 is probably as powerful as the early model 450's used to be
Imagine if Yamaha built an electric start, six speed, two stroke, enduro style 300! Unfortunately they don’t, so millions of dirt bikers buy millions of European 300’s. Like my new Beta 300RR. I’ve had 4 WR 450’s and still have one so thank you Yamaha, but there’s a new girl in the household and she gets taken out way more than the WR and she’s a lot more fun to dance with hands down! The big WR is very capable but…
I don't want to say that I am biased.... but I've seen a lot of low hour rebuild KTM videos 😅 They always seem to have the "latest and greatest" features, but I don't feel like they've really "ironed out" all of the bugs, so reliability seems to take a hit. My opinion.
Great video, are you familiar with the previous model wr450s and how they compare? Say like 2016 and newer? Fifth generation: Yamaha WR450F - 2012-2015. I heard used the yz250f frame and the old 5 valve motor with kyb suspension. I’ve heard good and bad? Sixth generation: Yamaha WR450F - 2016-2018. Seventh generation: Yamaha WR450F - 2019-2020.
No I'm not familiar with the other years WR's unfortunately, only slightly know about the older WR's (2000's models) The event I was at in this video had hundreds of bikes, so many of them were Yamaha's, but I only spotted 1 other WR - looked to be about a 2015 -2016 year. so they don't seem to be very popular around here. Mostly KTM 300's
2012 WR450 was a blast to own in my experience. I had 28k miles on it by the time I sold it. 75% supermoto use 25% wood use. Never had to open the engine up till around 20k miles or so.
@@F80mthree I hear nothing but good things about Yamaha motors (they are a big part in helping make some Toyota / Lexus motors) I've got confidence that mine will run for a long time with regular oil changes / air filter cleanings. I have 600 miles now, all off road. Just barely breaking in 👍 I don't have an hour meter, but approximately 50 hours or so. You see some videos where they run these motors off road for hundreds of hours with the cheapest oil they can buy to prove a point... no idea why that point needs to be proven... I run AMSOIL, no need to tire out my motor with cheap oil for likes and views on UA-cam...
@@evanwilliams6352 as long as you are meticulous about the servicing it will keep on going brother. thinking about getting a new 2023 sometime this year. I regret selling lol. the story of life I suppose. 😂🤣
@@F80mthree do it! I don't think they've changed anything for the 2023. perhaps the 2024 model. But honestly (in my opinion) I like the looks of the current model WR's - not sure I like the new YZ450F yet. maybe it'll grow on me. Anyways, I am very meticulous with my maintenance, I even write it down in a book to keep track. I'd like to purchase the WiFi module for this bike so I can see what the actual engine hours are.. I do about 5 - 8 hours between oil changes, depending on how hot and often I was on trails where I was slipping the clutch all day.
Looking at a new 2023 WR450F and was wondering roughly how many miles can you get on a tank of gas? A lot of my rides are 60 to 100 miles of mostly dual track woods roads in northern Wisconsin without a gas station anywhere.
I bet 70- 80 if is easier quad trails. I did an 80 mile ride but filled up half way. It was all single track, barely out of second gear. I was almost out of gas when I stopped at about the 50 mile range. You might want to bring some with you on your first ride just in case. If you’re able to cruise along in a higher gear I bet you might make that 100 miles.
@@billsharko3007 , ok, I had to look up your location. I'm in Superior and have only been out your way a few times. My family was at Road America one weekend about 2005, and I must have been close to you around 1992. I was in the 724th EN BN and spent 2 nasty weeks in the woods, doing combat training. There must be a Guard / Reserve training site in Florence County ?
I disliked 450's ever since I moved back to the woods, from the desert. However it seems like Yamaha really did wonders on the fueling on these, to make it so smooth at on/off throttle.
Great to watch. but you have not made it easy for me, on what bike to buy. I'm looking at even the 250 but you're making it look easy to buy the 450, the fuel is a problem, but great to watch you anywhere I would think.
it really depends on what you want to do with it. I'm a sucker for hill climbs, that's where a 250f fails for me... but I think most other places, if you live in flatter (or at least less aggressive terrain) and perhaps you're less experienced, go for the 250. There weren't any gnarly hills in this video as it was an event, so they didn't lead the trail into places where people couldn't make it. But when I'm out with my buddies we'll find some good ones.
i ride the same bike and find it perfect for what youre doing. kind of off topic question but, how do you keep the front end up in jumps. whether its on the motorcross track or just in trails i keep nosing in jumps ?
I've never been big into motocross but I have gone to the tracks and have built big jumps in the past. (before I took an 8 year hiatus - I don't really jump anymore) biggest tip I could give you is to look where you're heading. Stay on the throttle while exiting the jump, either a consistent throttle or accelerating (blip) off of the jump lip. If you let off of the throttle you'll slow down and nose dive. This is why looking at your destination (where you're going to land - or where you think it might be 😅) is so important. When you come to the tip of the jump and you find yourself staring at the peak and not where you're going to end up, you'll naturally let of the throttle, which then throws your weight forward. The issue intensifies if you let off of the throttle as soon as the front tire leaves the jump, the rear tire will slow down significantly and act as a pivot point which drops the front end down. Try practicing on little bumps in the road (say a foot tall) and notice how your bike reacts to throttle inputs when you go over the bump. (keep in mind speed has a lot to do with your outcome) if you stay consistent over the bump what happens? if you let off at the last second what happens? if you give the bike a little blip what happens? try these on the same bump at different speeds and see how the bike reacts.
@@evanwilliams6352 wow that is such helpful advice i appreciate it heaps mate. ill be sure to put that into effect and find out what happens with my bike when put under different conditions. this was very helpful. thanks so much again
@@rorylah absolutely! I love helping teach those who are willing to listen. Remember body positioning is hugely important as well. Stand up with good posture, arms and knees bent. You'll notice that a horse jockey's body stays still and in control as his horse violently moves around underneath him.
I'm surprised there is no enclosed chain version of a bike like this. The Tenere is about twice the weight and still open chain. I would like a light bike for touring but requires as little maintenance as possible.
@@chippyjohn1 the WR450F is only street legal in AUS and NZD as far as I know, some US states you can make them street legal by installing blinkers etc.. but not in all states. So it depends where you're living.
Looking for opinions here. I've been out of a bike for about 4 years now and looking to get back into it. I see you mentioned you're 6' 200ish. I'm about 6'2 240lbs and have been on the fence between a wr450 vs a ktm 300xcw. My concern is my physical weight. I don't want to be bogged down, but kind of feel like the 450 might be "too much". Is a 450 too much, or is the 300xcw plenty?
I haven't had a chance to have a "good ride" on a 300 yet, only for a few minutes down the trail, and same with this Beta 300, it was a brief experience. I found them to be very luggable and it's easy to keep them running at low speeds, but they'll hammer down if you ask them to. I felt like both of them you really had to ask it from them to get them to really move though, meaning you really had to twist the throttle a long ways to open them up. (this makes them very predictable however) which is funny as I'm used to riding 250 2 stroke race bikes in the woods and the throttles on those bikes are like light switches. The WR450F isn't quite as much of a light switch as the old school 2 strokes, but definitely way snappier and and a huge amount of low end torque, but you still need to be ready on the clutch if you're near the idle RPM of the motor. To answer your question - I'll start off first by saying that I wouldn't worry about your height or weight, these bikes RIP If you're a good rider and have been riding for a long time then a 450 is a good choice, but only if you're experienced, otherwise a 450 is way too much for most people. A lot of people buy a 450 because they are actually easier to ride that low rpm grunt compared to a lot of other bikes, but if you grab a handful of throttle they are literally rocket ships, which should never be in the possession of a newer rider. It'll scare them and won't allow them to have any fun, or they'll get used to having the power do the work for them. If you're still somewhat new to riding then id suggest the 250 if you're looking towards a 4 stroke. however, I run this bike in "mild" all day, it definitely dulls it down on the bottom half and makes it much easier to ride, way less wheel spin and arm ripping acceleration. a modern 300 2 stroke has loads of power for anyone, but I find it to be tame enough that even a newer rider can handle it just fine. You won't stall near as much and won't have to be ready on the clutch near as often in low speed technical situations. I see WAY more 300 2 strokes on my trails than any 4 stroke these days. It's likely the way to go (but I can't get myself to move away from Japanese bikes)
been a while since I run a CRF450. I rode a 2018 CRF450RX not long ago and a 2004 CRF450R a while back. Both of those bikes were quite different (as I would assume they would be) The suspension on yours is going to be quite a bit stiffer, causing you to bounce off of little rocks and roots that would be absorbed instead. This helps keep your tire on the ground and remain in traction. if its too stiff all day it will tire you out faster. However the WR isn't so soft as to be running low in the stroke, it's actually quite a lot stiffer that a lot of guys will run their 300 2 strokes. In my opinion though, those are too soft and don't allow you to be an aggressive rider. I think the biggest difference that you're going to have is in the clutch itself. Ive ridden a CRF250X with a recluse and it changed the bike completely. Once you're up and moving the bike felt mostly "like itself" but gear changes and aggressive clutch actions to upset the bike the way you need to sometimes were just not there. I'd say because of your clutch, I can't really compare yours to mine. The biggest issues that 450 riders have in tight woods is the likelihood of stalling, and how you need to operate the bike to keep it going forward. Your 450R is going to have a really tall 1st gear which would have you slipping the clutch all day to keep it running, where the WR has a 1st gear that is almost half of your 1st, so it makes tighter stuff much more enjoyable. I did find that the CRF450X that I rode would stall super easy, any sort of load just above idle would stall it (one time in mid air on a little vertical bank jump) however it could have been old gas as he didn't ride often, so I don't want to discredit the bike for that.
the DRZ took a lot more input and wrangling to get it to do what you wanted it to do, but it would throw down if you asked it to. The DRZ is a heavier bike with less power, but still plenty for most things. The WR is a much more aggressive and responsive bike in comparison, but it's way harder to find its limits (if it even has any) compared to the DRZ. The DRZ is softer suspension, so it'll try to blow through a corner or wash out as it'll be way higher in the stroke, where as the WR holds its form way better. Also, I found that first gear was close to the same (DRZ might have been a touch taller) but 4th on the WR isn't much sorter than the DRZ 5th - and the WR still has a tall 5th gear. I honestly never get to 5th as I'm always on single track, and even if I find myself on a windy gravel road 5th is a bit luggy, so it's probably great for straighter fire roads.
@@evanwilliams6352 I feel like I’m in between the two. I tried the wr250f and felt it was slow. The DRZ is marginally better in terms of engine power. What if I left the wr450 corked? Would that make it more manageable?
@@nosyjoe I would say that a corked 450f does feel kinda similar to the DRZ400. It still had good torque down low where not a lot of air flow was needed, but fell flat in the mid - upper RPM due to the restricting airbox and exhaust. A DRZ is a bit flat on top as it's a long stroke cylinder and doesn't like to rev like a modern short stroke race bike does. I haven't ridden a modern 250f (ridden plenty of carbureted ones) but I bet it felt slow because you were probably trying to use the torque of the motor to drive you. a 250F needs to be rung out like a 2 stroke, high rpm, and once you're there they pull pretty hard.
I’ve got a 2010 YZ450 which I’ve had since new and I am thinking of upgrading to the new WR450 like yours do you think it will be much better to ride ? I’m getting older now and want elec start but don’t want to drop power ?
it'll be a huge upgrade over your 2010. the suspension will be way smoother in the woods and choppy ground, won't tire you out as fast, the electric start seems to start the bike every time without a hitch (except a few times when it was cold out. 28'f, cold start seemed to make the starter spin freely after the bike tried to fire. let off the button and try again. once the bike was warm it worked perfectly) the center of gravity with the reverse cylinder makes the bike feel lighter than other 450's IMO when ripping down the trail. As far as power goes, out of the box it's definitely less power than the yz450f, but once you uncork the bike and put in the GYTR ECU (the one that comes in the YZ450F from factory) it's going to be the same power, as its the same engine. unlike the old WR-F's where they would use different internal parts in their engine - the newer ones do not. They're the same fire breathing 450F motor.
Absolutely it can , now does it take more energy to ride than a real trail bike like a 250 or 300 2 stroke thats tune for lower RPM use with nice soft suspension, yep.
The KYB suspension is super nice. And it's softer setup than a track bike. After riding last weekend with 5 other KTM's and one guy was a small time suspension Guru, talking to everyone about suspension setup, possible rebuilds to make them better for their riding style, Lucky cartridges, air forks sticking etc. then pointed at my bike and said "but you just can't beat the KYB setups from factory, you're good to go".. I might play around with it, go softer, then harder, see how I like it. Otherwise I don't feel like I need to touch it at all.
@@evanwilliams6352 i pretty much take it as a given that all bikes need springs and valving to be correct for most riders. Even really good suspension like your kyb is seldom set up for the rider weight and ridding skill level and what kind of ridding he or she is doing.
Adding a fan is quite necessary for tight single track. There were only a couple spots on these trails where a fan would be nice, but not necessary. But when it gets tighter, rocky and technical it's absolutely necessary. it's possible that you might need to richen your A/F mixture to cool it down if its running too hot even with some airflow. If your bike is popping a lot on decel you know it's running a bit too lean. Either way, get a fan. Keeping your engine cooler and not overheating will greatly extend the life of your engine.
I'm 6' 200 / 205lbs it really depends on what kind of rider (and how much seat time) you have. I always tell people to stay away from a 450 as they're just way too much for so many people - a 250 is honestly a much better bike. I've been riding for a long time and hill climbs is one of my go to activities on a bike, so a 450 was the better choice for me... however, in saying that. 90% of my riding would be a blast even on a 250, for example this video that we are commenting on. However... being that this bike was "corked" from factory, it was somewhat comparable to a 250f (I bet a yz250f has more power than a stock WR450f) but once you uncork it and put the GYTR ECU in it is a fire breathing 450f (this bike is uncorked in this video) - I read that you gain roughly 20HP after uncorking) so if you are "less" experienced and you never uncork it, the 450 could be a good choice, but you'll likely be better off on a 250 and uncork it. Or maybe swing for the YZ250FX. It's a long topic and I could talk forever about it 😅 450's have too much power and it'll scare newer riders, and even if they do get used to it, the power will become their Achilles Heel and won't do well on other bikes or situations where technique is needed. I strongly believe that "less is more" but it is nice to have....
I'd like to get it, but my bike doesn't have the WiFi module yet, which someone else directed me to a site that sells them for $300, whereas I was finding them for $450 before.
@@everspace9654 the YZ-F and YZ-FX come factory with all those goods. The WR-F does not. You need to purchase the GYTR ECU, Map switch, and WiFi module to get everything. The WR does come with plenty of other goodies though, that I would have wanted to get if I bought the YZ-FX
Beautiful place to ride. Anywhere like that here in England would be soooooo illegal to ride. They'd throw you and the next 10 generations of your family in jail for blasting that kinda place.
Sorry to hear it. This video was actually all on Private Property (which isn't the same in the UK as it is here) but they've kept it an oasis for dirt bikers, they throw big rides / events all the time. Summer gets too hot to ride and risk of fires, but spring and fall are perfect times to ride around here.
@@evanwilliams6352 people are weird. My inlaw and I went riding single track up here in the Yukon, he had a 450 husky, and I was on a TW200. Sandy trails, mountains, where ever you could fit. It was crazy how light that 450 was, and that's coming from a guy with a Tdub. Whatever makes you happy sir.
@@RB01138 nice I used to work up in the Yukon near Carmacks. I originally bought this bike thinking I might dual sport it to upgrade away from my DRZ400, but I've found it to be an awesome woods bike. I still have my old RM 250 2 stroke for all the fun play time, its a bit of a handful at times which is always fun. I have a buddy who can wheelie those tw200's like there is no tomorrow haha 50mph / 80km/h no idea how he does it...
I ride a 2015 wr450 right know, I notice almost a light knock in the Bottom of 2nd and 3rd only at low rpm's, checked and changed the auto cam chain tensioner, replaced with a manual, but that's not it, not sure what it is yet?
when you ride a 4 stroke at the lowest RPM while applying some load to the engine you will hear some noise, as the computer would start advancing the timing a bit as you apply throttle, but the RPM's are still too low to take advantage of that. The cycle then "fights itself" and creates a huge spike in pressure (usually this is when you stall) It's also possible that your spark plug has some buildup on it, creating hot spots and "dieseling"... a loose timing chain is more of a rattle, or crackling sound, rather than a knocking sound. Keep your oil changed frequently and don't use old gas.
I really like your video. Excellent job and thank you for posting it. Earlier this year I shopped for a new 2023 WR450F, but I ended up getting a new 2023 YZ450FX because I got a lot better deal on it from another dealer. I bought a new take off WR450F exhaust and put it on my bike tonight. I have watched your video about 3 times so far. This is my first 450. I have owned a WR250F and three YZ250F new bikes.
Thanks for watching 👍 I rode with a guy the other day that had a 2022 YZ450FX and he loved his bike as well. This is the first 450 that I've owned as well (I've ridden them a handful of times before this though) most of the riding I do I'm surrounded by 300 2T bikes, so I'd say this 450 holds its own quite well out there.
Great video. I have a WR250F and its an absolute weapon in technical single track. I'd love to try a new WR450
lets meet up! haha, I'd like to try the 250 as well. It's really good bike for most things honestly.. It's a blast on single track, technical stuff too (went up a rocky hiking path on Sunday) still feels light and nimble, but has power on demand when you hit the big hills 👌
I ride an YZ250F from 2018, added two radiator fans and a scooter battery because sometimes I do the rocky hard stuff. Other than not having electric start, I wouldn’t change anything on it. I still own a two stroke KTM, but absolutely felt in love for this four stoke YZ.
Interesting I didn't realize that a 2018 was old enough to not have an electric start. Must have just missed it. It's funny that you run dual fans, I was considering doing that and had looked into it but didn't see anyone else doing it. The way I see it is if you can keep the engine in its optimal operating temps you'll prolong the life of the motor. I'm going to look into it more now 👍 It's amazing I've even watched video's where people are flat out against radiator fans because they can drain the battery... which is nonsense as the motor generates electricity to run the fans as the motor is running... it's like saying you don't want to use the lights in your truck as it draws power from the battery.. Anyways I hear ya, I'm a sucker for the 4 stroke power, but keep in mind my backup bike is a 2000 RM250 which is way more "2 stoke at heart" than the modern 2 strokes are... I honestly think that the modern 4 strokes are a closer resemblance to old school 2 strokes - whereas modern 2 strokes are like super lightweight "oldschool" 4 strokes. I feel like they reversed roles. I've owned many oldschool 4 strokes and never cared for them, the older 2 strokes were way more exciting.. Now in current times the 4 strokes are way more lively and the 2 strokes kinda feel sluggish (even though they do absolutely rip) but you have to ask it to do so. Wow, I'm blabbering on.. Sorry about that haha.
I’ve always loved two strokes I have two euro 250s in my shed but have purchased a 2022 Wr 450 and I gravitate to it . The traction it has is superb. Love this bike👍
You know, I try to be a 2 stroke fanboy (I've had a few 2 strokes - still have my 2000 RM 250) but I always seem to gravitate to this bike as well.. it's just soooo good! hard to explain unless you ride it for a day. Everyone has their own riding style and preference, but I feel like this bike adapts to whoever wants to ride it, it's just a great bike, honestly.
I’ve had 4 WR 450’s over the last seven years and have used all of them in hard enduro events. You do have to be a stout lad to muscle this bike through the tough stuff because it is a bit heavy, but you gotta love the hit of power. It’s intoxicating. Ironically I’m buying a new Beta 300 RR this spring like your friends bike. It will be interesting to compare the two. Thanks for the video. Cheers from North Eastern Ontario!
I'd agree, you don't want to be a little guy in the woods with a 450, luckily I'm 6' 200lbs and grew up in the country so wrestling 450's isn't much an issue for me. I barely got to ride that 300 and I thought it was cool, super luggable and light feeling. Hard enduro all day it would be a better choice than a 450 for sure. Faster flowy trails is a bit soft for me. Thanks Cheers!
I'm almost sure William's friend has a Beta XT, not a 300RR. It's hard to get a good look, but it has the color scheme of an XT and it's mentioned that it's a smaller bike with a smaller pipe. Idk why WR450 AND Beta are not in the title.
@@captainamerica9353 Yes he has the Beta Cross Trainer, he's a shorter guy so it works perfect for him. I didn't have the Beta in the title as I was making this video about my WR - he just happened to be my riding buddy that day so I talked about it a little.
@@evanwilliams6352 , I think you'd get more views by including the Beta ? I have a 2022 XT, prolly same year as your buddies. I'm 5' 11" and 185 with a 32" inseam. One of the factors in getting the XT was the 35.8" seat, as opposed to the 37" seats on so many bikes. Everyone I know with a tall seat gets a lower one, or a lowering link, unless they're 6 foot plus. I wish they would keep the tall heights on the MX and Enduro racers and 34-35" on the rest. BTW, your WR is cool !
@@captainamerica9353 I probably could have yes, I suppose I wasn't trying to muddy the waters for people that were here for the Beta, while i'm blabbing on about the Yamaha. I'm lucky I suppose I've been 6' tall since I was 16 so seat hight has never been a concern to me but I see the struggle in shorter guys when we're out doing switchback, log hops kinda trails. Thanks! It's been raining here non stop for 3 weeks, getting antsy to go ride it!
This looks like tonnes of fun, makes me miss my old WR. Best fun you can have with your pants on
Absolutely great video!! I really like that camera angle!! Good job!!
Yes i think that angle worked out really well! It would be cool to have another on the helmet or take the time to set camera's out, but for this occasion it was great! One down low, say under the radiator looking forward would be cool too.
what camera are you using?
what trail are you riding?
@@ricknoonan9451 its the GoPro Hero 10. Johns peak, Oregon
@@evanwilliams6352 what mounts? Chin?
I have the 2023 wr250f fully uncorked I’m buying the 450 next month the 250 you need to stay up in the rpm’s abit more but yha it’s for the open logging roads and fire roads and hills I want the 450 . Hell yeah, I agree with you. The WRs are an absolutely amazing bike. Both the 250 and the 450. The weight on the bikes you don’t really notice unless you stop or fall
I'd like to try out a modern 250f - it's been a while. You definitely need to stay on top of them a bit more than a 450... however... just because a 450 has more low down torque doesn't mean you should ride it low rpm. You're still at risk of stalling without good clutch control. It's also pretty hard on engine components torquing it like that. I'd suggest to keep the RPM's up like you do on your 250, you'll find it to be smooth.
Nice and explanatory great info
Thanks
Excellent video, I bought a 2023 brand new and I asked about the gytr ecu and the dealer told me don’t worry about it, it has the ecu installed and he helped me load the maps on my phone right there and showed me how it works so I assume that is the gytr ecu and ccu
yeah you got lucky, those are not from factory. roughly $800 in items. I got the GYTR ECU ($200) and the MAP switch ($100) but still haven’t got the CCU ($500) The CCU is what WiFI connects to your phone so you can do the tuning.
@@evanwilliams6352 but I also heard the AUS spec bike comes like that, you just have to remove throttle screw and the restictor in thr airbox. From what side of the world are you?
@@johnwhatley6358 yes I heard the same thing, so if you’re in AUS or NZ then i think you’re good. Im in the US.
@@evanwilliams6352 its sad that the US spec you have to spend a bit of money to get the real deal out of it, I am in South Africa and we also get the AUS version this side
@@johnwhatley6358 that’s nice to know that you’re getting the better version. It’s definitely a “hidden gem” around here. Since they’re “Corked” from factory people turn their heads away from buying one. It makes sense that they do. I did my research on it before buying so i knew i would get a great bike out of it. But there are very few around here that i know of, and i’m part of a big facebook group of riders. That is actually the reason for this video, as I had a hard time finding information.
Great footage and awesome insight. Looking at the fx vs wr..
thanks man. The difference isn't a whole lot really... the gearing is apparently the same. The WR comes with the headlight, tail light, speedo, fuel consumption meter, rad fan, Spark arrestor, softer valving in the suspension. But remember that it comes "corked" so you'll likely want to uncork it and get the GYTR ECU ($300 for the ECU and MAP switch - another $300 for the WiFi module)
The FX will be "uncorked" from factory with the GYTR stuff ($600 worth of stuff) but if you're wanting some of the stuff that the WR comes with you'll likely spend more money getting it to that point.
I plan on putting plates on mine soon so I can legally get to some of the riding areas.. so everything that the WR comes with I would have had to install on an FX later on, so the WR made more sense to me.
I love love this bike. Will be my next one. I just need to sell my KTM 690. Thanks for sharing
It's a blast of a bike, and all the other 450's I've tried in the woods this one is best suited for it. I recommend this bike. It's almost riding season again, I'll try to find the time to make more videos of the bike.
Great review and nice to see it alongside the Beta.
I ride similar terrain and am considering the 2022 or 2023 WR450F.
I enjoy the low end lugging ability and, of course, Yamaha's amazing reliability and full KYB's
You hit the nail on the head, they have a huge amount of torque on the bottom, as long as you're on the gas even a little it'll keep going. 4 strokes don't have the same low end "basement" where they'll continue to run below the idle point, but it's a huge amount of power just off idle. Also yes, I can't get behind the KTM products as easily as a Japanese bike, the europeans just don't build in the same reliability as the Japanese do.
I just brought one great bike
@@brianshannon9289 did you snag the Yamaha? or what did you purchase?
@@evanwilliams6352 purchased it
I'm considering a 2019 one of these as here in the UK there is a lot of green lanes which connect up with roads so I have to wring the neck of my current 2012 te250 4 stroke between the lanes. Also find I'm up and down the gears all the time as the ratios are quite close. I think the wr450 is probably a bit more power than I need though but with the adjustable maps etc being able to tame it sounds a winning combo, my other choice is Beta 350/390rr..
You also make the WR look effortless but I think your riding ability is probably above 95% of people who watch this, when the front end is coming off the ground, looks you could wheelie it for days lol.
I had went with the 450 as I needed the headroom for hillclimbs and dunes riding. 250's are fun an probably plenty or (enough) for most riders honestly. The Wr's aren't road legal out of the box over here, but if they are where you are in the UK then it's going to be a great choice.
What’s involved in uncorking one of these fuel injected WR’s. I bought a brand new WR in 2007 and it was a pretty extensive uncorking project. Once she was done; BEAST!!! Just wondering what has to be done to this new one….I’m thinking about getting a 2023
it's not hard at all, it's weird that you have to do it in the first place but not an issue.
1. Buy the GYTR ECU $200 - you can also get the map switch $100 and the WiFi module $300 - $500 (depending on availability) but only the GYTR ECU is required. If you live in Australia I heard they already come with this ECU. (some people argue that the ECU is not required, in my experience the bike was already a touch lean so I didn't risk it.)
2. Remove the throttle screw stop screw located on the throttle body and shorten it to allow full motion of the throttle. A shorter screw is provided with the GYTR ECU.
3. Take out the air filter and remove the air baffle / restricter located under the air filter. It's barely glued into place and rips out easy (almost like its meant to be ripped out)
4. Take off the very tip of the tailpipe (where the spark arrester is located) and drill out the decibel reducer, as it restricts exhaust flow. (its riveted on both sides, slides right out once you drill the rivets out)
5. Go out for a rip!
Hey Evan, I know you mentioned that you have the (2022 YZ450FX) GYTR ECU for your bike. Did you purchase and install it yourself? And did it come stock with the two "mild and wild" tunes you are referring to? I just got a 2021 WR450f and I find the stock tune is a bit much for me in tight technical terrain. I was hoping I could avoid buying the CCU and just get away with the GYTR ECU and the control switch. Thanks!
Yes I have the GYTR ECU (not sure exactly what model, I bought it from the dealer - I'm assuming it's for the FX) yes I installed it myself and the map switch, I did not get the WiFi module yet.. the ecu comes with x2 pre loaded maps that you can access with the map with "mild" and "wild" is what I call them. I "Uncorked" my bike when I installed the new Ecu, so that in itself would have given me loads more power in itself, but it didn't want to uncork the bike until I had that new ECU, I was concerned that it was already running pretty lean, I didn't want to add even more air to the mix. if your bike is still corked and stock ECU then you're going to get a wake up call once you uncork it and change the ECU, it'll be way more of a handful than it currently is. To answer your question - yes, you can just buy the ECU by itself and it'll be in one map, buying the switch allows you to access the second map already uploaded, and buying the CCU allows you to tune those maps as you please.
Great vid/info. Did you consider the yz450fx during your purchase decision? Curious on your thoughts of the two bikes compared. Thank you
I considered a few bikes actually.. (mostly Yamaha 😄- as I’ve always been a fan and reliability of the Japanese bikes) I started looking at the 250fx about a year prior to buying this bike, as a 250 is plenty of power for a lot of situations (we have a million hill climbs around here though) then I thought of the 450fx so I had the power available if I needed it, then I was on the waiting list for the 2022 yz250 for 6 months - I was going to make it into a yz250x… but it never showed up and riding season was half over.. I started looking again at the 450fx and it was my wife that found a WR450F available somewhat locally. At first I didn’t even consider it as the WR has always been more of a trail bike, and I’m more of an aggressive rider.. till later I had realized that the WR was a very close brother to the yz450f and yz450fx - but with the added headlight, taillight, radiator fan, bigger stator, odometer, speedometer, and of coarse - the wide ratio transmission. A lot of these parts were things I was considering installing onto the 450fx anyways, but would cost a lot more time and money to install compared to simply buying a WR off of the floor. The only downfall was the lack of GYTR ecu and tune-ability in stock form ($300 in parts and “uncorking” it’s now the same as a 450fx power wise - another $450 for the Wi-Fi module to tune it with your phone) it ended up being a no brainer to me. I haven’t had the chance to try a 250fx or 450fx, I’m sure they’re great bikes and better suited for trail than the track version of the bike, but I bet most people would be better suited for the WR over the FX honestly.
Hey,..thanks for the time and consideration. Great feedback. Reason I asked was that I had a yz250fx, Great bike but it lacked the snap tork throttle responce I like for my style of riding, enduro and motocross. I like how you describe the wr450 still corked to a 250fx but with more tork, but then once uncorked its the 450fx with all the extra lights fan, extra.
Thanks again and best wishes.
@@erick5327 I bet that a 250fx has quite a bit more top end than a WR450 when it’s corked, but it still had good bottom end / midrange (although it felt a little sluggish, not very responsive, almost like it would ramp up to power) uncorked it’s snappy and responsive everywhere, I leave it in the mild map most of the time to keep the arm pump down. It’s pretty drastic how different the power is between the two maps. If you’re riding the track I think the fx would be great for you, I think the WR could do it honestly, without touching the suspension, but not at any sort of competitive level. You’d have to re-valve, similar to what the FX has. I rode a bit of track when I was younger but haven’t been back in a long time.
I’d be interested in this as well. Trying my first Harescrambles this year, growing up on two strokes and coming from two older wr450s now I’m looking at the 250x, 250fx or 450fx and the two WRs!
Edit; missed the replies, good info. I just can’t afford a 2022 so I’m interested in the slightly older fxs xs and wrs
@@andymcfarlane2365 I'm sure they're all great bikes no matter what you find! I think a 250fx would be cool for woods racing. I haven't gotten to ride one personally but I've always liked the power of a 250f, I feel like you can push them harder and have more fun, where you'll be hard pressed to ever use the full potential of a 450 in the woods.
Would like to see what your mild map looks like to try it with my 2012-Thanks for the video and narration 11:24
I would like to see what it looks like too, I don't have the WiFi module to link to my phone, not yet anyways. It'll likely be something I purchase this year. Perhaps there are photos or videos on the internet of what the GYTR ecu maps look like from factory, as I haven't changed the maps.
There’s a bunch of mild maps on the forums for the 2012. Never had a problem with the popular maps for the 2012 model. Usually ran it on aggressive though.
Great video and info👍
thanks! its almost riding season around here again, I'll be hitting this event up again.
I love mine
Great vid! I just bought a 22' wr450f and I'm having trouble finding parts. This might be a stupid question but do you know if it's the same as the 2020? I ask because some of the sites for parts only go to 2020 for the WR450. Seems like the gytr ecu and fmf exhaust are all OOS on the sites I've looked at. Thanks!
The 2021 - 2023 WR450F are the same, but (I believe) the 2018 - 2022 YZ450f and likely 2019 - 2023 YZ450FX are all going to share many similar parts. The GYTR ECU that I have is for the 2022 YZ450FX I believe (I called my local Yamaha dealer and they got it for me)
If you're buying a pipe, all the years that I listed should work just fine on your bike 👍
@@evanwilliams6352 thanks Evan, super helpful!
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Imagine if Yamaha built a 350
I know!! I probably would have bought that instead of the 450 honestly.
Seriously been saying that for years!! 100% agree
@@Jdake801 if they start a 350 class then It would happen, till then I don't see it happening unfortunately, which is sad as the common 350 is probably as powerful as the early model 450's used to be
Question: is this a good bike for adult learner that can ride?
Imagine if Yamaha built an electric start, six speed, two stroke, enduro style 300! Unfortunately they don’t, so millions of dirt bikers buy millions of European 300’s. Like my new Beta 300RR. I’ve had 4 WR 450’s and still have one so thank you Yamaha, but there’s a new girl in the household and she gets taken out way more than the WR and she’s a lot more fun to dance with hands down! The big WR is very capable but…
It's gotta be better value than a KTM
A real race weapon in the right hands
I don't want to say that I am biased.... but I've seen a lot of low hour rebuild KTM videos 😅 They always seem to have the "latest and greatest" features, but I don't feel like they've really "ironed out" all of the bugs, so reliability seems to take a hit. My opinion.
Maybe I missed it, are you running the competition ecu or the stock ecu?
In this video I've got the GYTR ECU, not the stock one.
Great video, are you familiar with the previous model wr450s and how they compare? Say like 2016 and newer?
Fifth generation: Yamaha WR450F - 2012-2015. I heard used the yz250f frame and the old 5 valve motor with kyb suspension. I’ve heard good and bad?
Sixth generation: Yamaha WR450F - 2016-2018.
Seventh generation: Yamaha WR450F - 2019-2020.
No I'm not familiar with the other years WR's unfortunately, only slightly know about the older WR's (2000's models) The event I was at in this video had hundreds of bikes, so many of them were Yamaha's, but I only spotted 1 other WR - looked to be about a 2015 -2016 year. so they don't seem to be very popular around here. Mostly KTM 300's
2012 WR450 was a blast to own in my experience. I had 28k miles on it by the time I sold it. 75% supermoto use 25% wood use. Never had to open the engine up till around 20k miles or so.
@@F80mthree I hear nothing but good things about Yamaha motors (they are a big part in helping make some Toyota / Lexus motors) I've got confidence that mine will run for a long time with regular oil changes / air filter cleanings. I have 600 miles now, all off road. Just barely breaking in 👍 I don't have an hour meter, but approximately 50 hours or so. You see some videos where they run these motors off road for hundreds of hours with the cheapest oil they can buy to prove a point... no idea why that point needs to be proven... I run AMSOIL, no need to tire out my motor with cheap oil for likes and views on UA-cam...
@@evanwilliams6352 as long as you are meticulous about the servicing it will keep on going brother. thinking about getting a new 2023 sometime this year. I regret selling lol. the story of life I suppose. 😂🤣
@@F80mthree do it! I don't think they've changed anything for the 2023. perhaps the 2024 model. But honestly (in my opinion) I like the looks of the current model WR's - not sure I like the new YZ450F yet. maybe it'll grow on me. Anyways, I am very meticulous with my maintenance, I even write it down in a book to keep track. I'd like to purchase the WiFi module for this bike so I can see what the actual engine hours are.. I do about 5 - 8 hours between oil changes, depending on how hot and often I was on trails where I was slipping the clutch all day.
Looking at a new 2023 WR450F and was wondering roughly how many miles can you get on a tank of gas? A lot of my rides are 60 to 100 miles of mostly dual track woods roads in northern Wisconsin without a gas station anywhere.
I bet 70- 80 if is easier quad trails. I did an 80 mile ride but filled up half way. It was all single track, barely out of second gear. I was almost out of gas when I stopped at about the 50 mile range. You might want to bring some with you on your first ride just in case. If you’re able to cruise along in a higher gear I bet you might make that 100 miles.
Bill Sharko , where in WI ?
@@captainamerica9353 Laona, Wi.
@@billsharko3007 , ok, I had to look up your location. I'm in Superior and have only been out your way a few times. My family was at Road America one weekend about 2005, and I must have been close to you around 1992. I was in the 724th EN BN and spent 2 nasty weeks in the woods, doing combat training. There must be a Guard / Reserve training site in Florence County ?
I disliked 450's ever since I moved back to the woods, from the desert. However it seems like Yamaha really did wonders on the fueling on these, to make it so smooth at on/off throttle.
They did a great job in my opinion 👍
Great to watch. but you have not made it easy for me, on what bike to buy. I'm looking at even the 250 but you're making it look easy to buy the 450, the fuel is a problem, but great to watch you anywhere I would think.
it really depends on what you want to do with it. I'm a sucker for hill climbs, that's where a 250f fails for me... but I think most other places, if you live in flatter (or at least less aggressive terrain) and perhaps you're less experienced, go for the 250. There weren't any gnarly hills in this video as it was an event, so they didn't lead the trail into places where people couldn't make it. But when I'm out with my buddies we'll find some good ones.
i ride the same bike and find it perfect for what youre doing. kind of off topic question but, how do you keep the front end up in jumps. whether its on the motorcross track or just in trails i keep nosing in jumps ?
I've never been big into motocross but I have gone to the tracks and have built big jumps in the past. (before I took an 8 year hiatus - I don't really jump anymore) biggest tip I could give you is to look where you're heading. Stay on the throttle while exiting the jump, either a consistent throttle or accelerating (blip) off of the jump lip. If you let off of the throttle you'll slow down and nose dive. This is why looking at your destination (where you're going to land - or where you think it might be 😅) is so important. When you come to the tip of the jump and you find yourself staring at the peak and not where you're going to end up, you'll naturally let of the throttle, which then throws your weight forward. The issue intensifies if you let off of the throttle as soon as the front tire leaves the jump, the rear tire will slow down significantly and act as a pivot point which drops the front end down. Try practicing on little bumps in the road (say a foot tall) and notice how your bike reacts to throttle inputs when you go over the bump. (keep in mind speed has a lot to do with your outcome) if you stay consistent over the bump what happens? if you let off at the last second what happens? if you give the bike a little blip what happens? try these on the same bump at different speeds and see how the bike reacts.
@@evanwilliams6352 wow that is such helpful advice i appreciate it heaps mate. ill be sure to put that into effect and find out what happens with my bike when put under different conditions. this was very helpful. thanks so much again
@@rorylah absolutely! I love helping teach those who are willing to listen. Remember body positioning is hugely important as well. Stand up with good posture, arms and knees bent. You'll notice that a horse jockey's body stays still and in control as his horse violently moves around underneath him.
@@evanwilliams6352 what a great analogy! i understand what you mean, thanks for that too. i can tell youre very knowledgable about this subject
I'm surprised there is no enclosed chain version of a bike like this. The Tenere is about twice the weight and still open chain. I would like a light bike for touring but requires as little maintenance as possible.
You should look into the Honda CRF300L / CRF450L for a street ready dirt bike which has longer service intervals than their off road offerings
@@evanwilliams6352 Wr450F is street legal and lighter than both of those. Neither have an enclosed chain also. Maybe a Honda Monkey, hehe.
@@chippyjohn1 the WR450F is only street legal in AUS and NZD as far as I know, some US states you can make them street legal by installing blinkers etc.. but not in all states. So it depends where you're living.
@@evanwilliams6352 Down Under 🦘
Looking for opinions here. I've been out of a bike for about 4 years now and looking to get back into it. I see you mentioned you're 6' 200ish. I'm about 6'2 240lbs and have been on the fence between a wr450 vs a ktm 300xcw. My concern is my physical weight. I don't want to be bogged down, but kind of feel like the 450 might be "too much". Is a 450 too much, or is the 300xcw plenty?
I haven't had a chance to have a "good ride" on a 300 yet, only for a few minutes down the trail, and same with this Beta 300, it was a brief experience. I found them to be very luggable and it's easy to keep them running at low speeds, but they'll hammer down if you ask them to. I felt like both of them you really had to ask it from them to get them to really move though, meaning you really had to twist the throttle a long ways to open them up. (this makes them very predictable however) which is funny as I'm used to riding 250 2 stroke race bikes in the woods and the throttles on those bikes are like light switches. The WR450F isn't quite as much of a light switch as the old school 2 strokes, but definitely way snappier and and a huge amount of low end torque, but you still need to be ready on the clutch if you're near the idle RPM of the motor.
To answer your question - I'll start off first by saying that I wouldn't worry about your height or weight, these bikes RIP
If you're a good rider and have been riding for a long time then a 450 is a good choice, but only if you're experienced, otherwise a 450 is way too much for most people. A lot of people buy a 450 because they are actually easier to ride that low rpm grunt compared to a lot of other bikes, but if you grab a handful of throttle they are literally rocket ships, which should never be in the possession of a newer rider. It'll scare them and won't allow them to have any fun, or they'll get used to having the power do the work for them.
If you're still somewhat new to riding then id suggest the 250 if you're looking towards a 4 stroke. however, I run this bike in "mild" all day, it definitely dulls it down on the bottom half and makes it much easier to ride, way less wheel spin and arm ripping acceleration.
a modern 300 2 stroke has loads of power for anyone, but I find it to be tame enough that even a newer rider can handle it just fine. You won't stall near as much and won't have to be ready on the clutch near as often in low speed technical situations. I see WAY more 300 2 strokes on my trails than any 4 stroke these days. It's likely the way to go (but I can't get myself to move away from Japanese bikes)
I have a 2011 CRF450R with a rekluse clutch. How would yours compare???
been a while since I run a CRF450. I rode a 2018 CRF450RX not long ago and a 2004 CRF450R a while back. Both of those bikes were quite different (as I would assume they would be) The suspension on yours is going to be quite a bit stiffer, causing you to bounce off of little rocks and roots that would be absorbed instead. This helps keep your tire on the ground and remain in traction. if its too stiff all day it will tire you out faster. However the WR isn't so soft as to be running low in the stroke, it's actually quite a lot stiffer that a lot of guys will run their 300 2 strokes. In my opinion though, those are too soft and don't allow you to be an aggressive rider. I think the biggest difference that you're going to have is in the clutch itself. Ive ridden a CRF250X with a recluse and it changed the bike completely. Once you're up and moving the bike felt mostly "like itself" but gear changes and aggressive clutch actions to upset the bike the way you need to sometimes were just not there. I'd say because of your clutch, I can't really compare yours to mine. The biggest issues that 450 riders have in tight woods is the likelihood of stalling, and how you need to operate the bike to keep it going forward. Your 450R is going to have a really tall 1st gear which would have you slipping the clutch all day to keep it running, where the WR has a 1st gear that is almost half of your 1st, so it makes tighter stuff much more enjoyable. I did find that the CRF450X that I rode would stall super easy, any sort of load just above idle would stall it (one time in mid air on a little vertical bank jump) however it could have been old gas as he didn't ride often, so I don't want to discredit the bike for that.
Saw an older video of yours on a DRZ400E...how does it compare in single track to the WR? I have a DRZ and have been looking hard at the '24 WR...
the DRZ took a lot more input and wrangling to get it to do what you wanted it to do, but it would throw down if you asked it to. The DRZ is a heavier bike with less power, but still plenty for most things. The WR is a much more aggressive and responsive bike in comparison, but it's way harder to find its limits (if it even has any) compared to the DRZ. The DRZ is softer suspension, so it'll try to blow through a corner or wash out as it'll be way higher in the stroke, where as the WR holds its form way better. Also, I found that first gear was close to the same (DRZ might have been a touch taller) but 4th on the WR isn't much sorter than the DRZ 5th - and the WR still has a tall 5th gear. I honestly never get to 5th as I'm always on single track, and even if I find myself on a windy gravel road 5th is a bit luggy, so it's probably great for straighter fire roads.
@@evanwilliams6352 I feel like I’m in between the two. I tried the wr250f and felt it was slow. The DRZ is marginally better in terms of engine power. What if I left the wr450 corked? Would that make it more manageable?
@@nosyjoe I would say that a corked 450f does feel kinda similar to the DRZ400. It still had good torque down low where not a lot of air flow was needed, but fell flat in the mid - upper RPM due to the restricting airbox and exhaust. A DRZ is a bit flat on top as it's a long stroke cylinder and doesn't like to rev like a modern short stroke race bike does. I haven't ridden a modern 250f (ridden plenty of carbureted ones) but I bet it felt slow because you were probably trying to use the torque of the motor to drive you. a 250F needs to be rung out like a 2 stroke, high rpm, and once you're there they pull pretty hard.
Is there a set up to instal kick start on one of these??? Only reason I have not pulled the trigger
Unfortunately no, they've changed the casing, it will no longer accept a kick starter.
I’ve got a 2010 YZ450 which I’ve had since new and I am thinking of upgrading to the new WR450 like yours do you think it will be much better to ride ? I’m getting older now and want elec start but don’t want to drop power ?
it'll be a huge upgrade over your 2010. the suspension will be way smoother in the woods and choppy ground, won't tire you out as fast, the electric start seems to start the bike every time without a hitch (except a few times when it was cold out. 28'f, cold start seemed to make the starter spin freely after the bike tried to fire. let off the button and try again. once the bike was warm it worked perfectly) the center of gravity with the reverse cylinder makes the bike feel lighter than other 450's IMO when ripping down the trail. As far as power goes, out of the box it's definitely less power than the yz450f, but once you uncork the bike and put in the GYTR ECU (the one that comes in the YZ450F from factory) it's going to be the same power, as its the same engine. unlike the old WR-F's where they would use different internal parts in their engine - the newer ones do not. They're the same fire breathing 450F motor.
Shave down the throttle screw?
Yes I did. Before I ever even rode it
The new 24' must be really nice then.
It probably is 👍 I don’t think you need an ECU on those, simply uncork them.
Absolutely it can , now does it take more energy to ride than a real trail bike like a 250 or 300 2 stroke thats tune for lower RPM use with nice soft suspension, yep.
The KYB suspension is super nice. And it's softer setup than a track bike. After riding last weekend with 5 other KTM's and one guy was a small time suspension Guru, talking to everyone about suspension setup, possible rebuilds to make them better for their riding style, Lucky cartridges, air forks sticking etc. then pointed at my bike and said "but you just can't beat the KYB setups from factory, you're good to go".. I might play around with it, go softer, then harder, see how I like it. Otherwise I don't feel like I need to touch it at all.
@@evanwilliams6352 i pretty much take it as a given that all bikes need springs and valving to be correct for most riders. Even really good suspension like your kyb is seldom set up for the rider weight and ridding skill level and what kind of ridding he or she is doing.
i just bought a 2008 wr450f things fun af i dont have a fan tho so it overheats on trails like this.
Adding a fan is quite necessary for tight single track. There were only a couple spots on these trails where a fan would be nice, but not necessary. But when it gets tighter, rocky and technical it's absolutely necessary. it's possible that you might need to richen your A/F mixture to cool it down if its running too hot even with some airflow. If your bike is popping a lot on decel you know it's running a bit too lean. Either way, get a fan. Keeping your engine cooler and not overheating will greatly extend the life of your engine.
@@evanwilliams6352 i think you're completely right it does pop when i let off gas ill have to see where its at and give it an adjustment.
What’s your height and weight Evan? I’m 5’9” 185 lbs. you think it’s too much for a guy my size?
I'm 6' 200 / 205lbs it really depends on what kind of rider (and how much seat time) you have. I always tell people to stay away from a 450 as they're just way too much for so many people - a 250 is honestly a much better bike. I've been riding for a long time and hill climbs is one of my go to activities on a bike, so a 450 was the better choice for me... however, in saying that. 90% of my riding would be a blast even on a 250, for example this video that we are commenting on. However... being that this bike was "corked" from factory, it was somewhat comparable to a 250f (I bet a yz250f has more power than a stock WR450f) but once you uncork it and put the GYTR ECU in it is a fire breathing 450f (this bike is uncorked in this video) - I read that you gain roughly 20HP after uncorking) so if you are "less" experienced and you never uncork it, the 450 could be a good choice, but you'll likely be better off on a 250 and uncork it. Or maybe swing for the YZ250FX. It's a long topic and I could talk forever about it 😅 450's have too much power and it'll scare newer riders, and even if they do get used to it, the power will become their Achilles Heel and won't do well on other bikes or situations where technique is needed. I strongly believe that "less is more" but it is nice to have....
@@evanwilliams6352 good stuff thank you sir!
I think it’s more like old school 2t motoX bikes are not designed to ride trails this making them hard to ride slow.
they're definitely hard to ride slow 😅 but super fun to ride fast
That branch almost took you out at 11:48
Haha yes just about. Wouldn't be the first time either. I'm sure you've been there yourself! Thanks for watching!
If you get the app on your phone you should be able to connect to you bike, the app is free.
I'd like to get it, but my bike doesn't have the WiFi module yet, which someone else directed me to a site that sells them for $300, whereas I was finding them for $450 before.
I thought they had them stock, just not the gytr ecu
@@everspace9654 the YZ-F and YZ-FX come factory with all those goods. The WR-F does not. You need to purchase the GYTR ECU, Map switch, and WiFi module to get everything. The WR does come with plenty of other goodies though, that I would have wanted to get if I bought the YZ-FX
Beautiful place to ride. Anywhere like that here in England would be soooooo illegal to ride. They'd throw you and the next 10 generations of your family in jail for blasting that kinda place.
Sorry to hear it. This video was actually all on Private Property (which isn't the same in the UK as it is here) but they've kept it an oasis for dirt bikers, they throw big rides / events all the time. Summer gets too hot to ride and risk of fires, but spring and fall are perfect times to ride around here.
I don't get it, any dirtbike/dualsport/dirt biased ADV can single track. Hell, I've seen people take the R1200 places that would shock you.
I hear all the time how you shouldn’t have a 450 in the woods. This is one of those videos that show they’re just fine 👍
@@evanwilliams6352 people are weird. My inlaw and I went riding single track up here in the Yukon, he had a 450 husky, and I was on a TW200. Sandy trails, mountains, where ever you could fit. It was crazy how light that 450 was, and that's coming from a guy with a Tdub. Whatever makes you happy sir.
@@RB01138 nice I used to work up in the Yukon near Carmacks. I originally bought this bike thinking I might dual sport it to upgrade away from my DRZ400, but I've found it to be an awesome woods bike. I still have my old RM 250 2 stroke for all the fun play time, its a bit of a handful at times which is always fun. I have a buddy who can wheelie those tw200's like there is no tomorrow haha 50mph / 80km/h no idea how he does it...
@@evanwilliams6352 holy shit, small world. I live in whitehorse, beautiful country. Wicked place to own a bike.
@@evanwilliams6352 as for the Tdubs, you can cat walk, but not for long with stock gearing.
John's peak?
Yes it is 👍
The way some desribe gearing... nvm
I know right, sometimes you have to explain it in a way just so people can get upset about it
I ride a 2015 wr450 right know, I notice almost a light knock in the Bottom of 2nd and 3rd only at low rpm's, checked and changed the auto cam chain tensioner, replaced with a manual, but that's not it, not sure what it is yet?
when you ride a 4 stroke at the lowest RPM while applying some load to the engine you will hear some noise, as the computer would start advancing the timing a bit as you apply throttle, but the RPM's are still too low to take advantage of that. The cycle then "fights itself" and creates a huge spike in pressure (usually this is when you stall) It's also possible that your spark plug has some buildup on it, creating hot spots and "dieseling"... a loose timing chain is more of a rattle, or crackling sound, rather than a knocking sound. Keep your oil changed frequently and don't use old gas.